Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Monday, August twenty six, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're making this
Speaker 1: all up as we go along. It's me your man, MG,
Speaker 1: Marcus Grant, joined by Michael Floya and the star.
Speaker 2: Of Good Morning Football, LaQuan Jones.
Speaker 1: I think it's just say star of NFL network, you know, cause,
Speaker 1: like I wake up on Sunday morning. Actually I was
Speaker 1: awake for a while, but I'm watching, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the preseason games. I see Florio's face popping up
Speaker 1: alongside Omar Ruiz giving fantasy tips. Then this morning is
Speaker 1: I'm scrolling Twitter. I see Lakwan's face smiling talking about
Speaker 1: the you know, the NFC West. Uh. You guys are
Speaker 1: legit network stars. I'm just a guy who hosts a podcast.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad. I'm glad I could be here alongside you,
Speaker 2: fellas I am.
Speaker 3: You're the anchor man, You're the reason why this show
Speaker 3: is running this move as it does leave it to
Speaker 3: the degenerates.
Speaker 1: He gets one of the episodes, me in Florida, did
Speaker 1: I am just a guy who talks about fake football
Speaker 1: for a living. That's what I do.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which I guess we should talk about some
Speaker 2: fake football today.
Speaker 1: Right we are we are officially through the preseason. There
Speaker 1: is a dead period now, it's sort of you know,
Speaker 1: it's sort of like dead week before finals, if you will, UH,
Speaker 1: and then the season starts in a little more than
Speaker 1: a week from now. So we'll talk about the things
Speaker 1: that we learned in the preseason. We'll talk about some
Speaker 1: guys and maybe we are staying away from UH. Just
Speaker 1: a heads up because later in the week we are
Speaker 1: we're all planning to talk to man tit Teo again
Speaker 1: this week. We had a lot of fun with him
Speaker 1: last week, so we're gonna have him back on the
Speaker 1: show at some point this week. Also later in the week, Fels,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna do you know, our guys right,
Speaker 1: like the guys that we are, we can't leave a
Speaker 1: draft of that will go position by position. But today
Speaker 1: we're just gonna talk about maybe some guys that we
Speaker 1: are not so much a fan of when it comes
Speaker 1: to to drafting in fantasy. But I want to get
Speaker 1: started today with the holdouts because a thing that has
Speaker 1: been recurring all throughout this preseason are the guys who
Speaker 1: aren't there or at least aren't on the field. Three
Speaker 1: of them happen to be high level wide receivers. And
Speaker 1: so now we're at the point where the preseason games
Speaker 1: are over, training camps have broken, teams are starting to
Speaker 1: get ready for Week one, and these guys still aren't around,
Speaker 1: And so how do we approach these in drafts? So
Speaker 1: let's start Florida with Brandon Ayuk, right, because we've been
Speaker 1: talking about Brandon Ayuk for how long now, maw weeks?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: You know, the story has been that the deal is
Speaker 1: at the one yard line. It seems like they've been
Speaker 1: at the one yard line for a while. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many shots they've gotten at this, but they
Speaker 1: still have not pushed it over the goal line.
Speaker 2: We know what he means to the forty nine er offense.
Speaker 1: We know that there's still potentially a trade to Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: maybe just hanging out there. There were rumors the Commanders
Speaker 1: might get involved at some point in this whole thing.
Speaker 1: At this point, What are you doing with Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 1: in drafts? Uh?
Speaker 4: Well, first, my biggest question is what is this one
Speaker 4: thing that is holding this up? Because like you would
Speaker 4: think they would have it, like I hope it's something
Speaker 4: weird like moneyball, like I don't want to pay for
Speaker 4: sodas anymore or something like that, like uh, but with
Speaker 4: Ayuk in particular, I I haven't moved him at all
Speaker 4: in my rankings because this is something that the three
Speaker 4: of us have spoke about since what June July that
Speaker 4: like we I don't want to speak for you guys,
Speaker 4: but at least like I from this whole time have
Speaker 4: been like, the most likely outcome is Brandon Ayuk is
Speaker 4: a forty nine Er come Week one, And the closer
Speaker 4: we get to the season, the more and more I
Speaker 4: like to trade for a superstar wide receiver right now
Speaker 4: on both sides. If you're the forty nine Ers and
Speaker 4: you got to completely revamp your offense, and if you're
Speaker 4: the Steelers you gotta change a whole bunch on the
Speaker 4: fly a week before the season, it just seems kind
Speaker 4: of unrealistic to me.
Speaker 2: I think this whole thing.
Speaker 4: The Steelers I think were just used like I think
Speaker 4: Ayuk was like trade me, and the Niners were like,
Speaker 4: all right, Steelers are on the phone, and Ayuk was like, okay,
Speaker 4: I worked out or deal with them. And then the
Speaker 4: Steelers are like, yeah, the forty nineers, like, well, we
Speaker 4: have a deal in place with that. Like I think
Speaker 4: they were just calling each other's bluff the whole time
Speaker 4: and using the Steelers kind of how the Mets always
Speaker 4: get used in baseball. But I'm drafting Ayuk. I have
Speaker 4: him still ranked as a wide receiver one. He falls
Speaker 4: a lot. I've gotten him as a wide receiver three
Speaker 4: in a lot of my drafts, so I continue to
Speaker 4: take him there. I will say, though, like to differentiate
Speaker 4: a bit, I took Cooper Cup over him in a
Speaker 4: draft because I was like Boom Brandon right now that
Speaker 4: I want to differentiate a bit, but I'm not shying
Speaker 4: away from drafting.
Speaker 2: Why are you pulling that he took Cooper Cup in
Speaker 2: a draft? What is that about? Oh my bad?
Speaker 3: I heard that the different way. I was just ready
Speaker 3: for the boo because we were talking forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: I had to get my hate out some type of way.
Speaker 1: All right, I mean sorry, but I mean I have
Speaker 1: to ask you, like as objectively as you can, like
Speaker 1: I understand, I'll try.
Speaker 2: I understand that you want you want brand.
Speaker 1: Now you gone for like competitive purposes, Like I get
Speaker 1: that part, but just in terms of you know what
Speaker 1: this means for fantasy.
Speaker 2: I mean, what are you doing with Brandon Aiyuk right now?
Speaker 3: So with fantasy, like I want him to stay a
Speaker 3: forty nine er. I think it makes the most sense because,
Speaker 3: like Florio said, we're less than two weeks away, Like
Speaker 3: what type of Brandon and I you we're gonna get
Speaker 3: on a new offensive, new scheme, a new quarterback, like
Speaker 3: these are all things we need to account for. Like
Speaker 3: he has not been practicing. It's not like he's been
Speaker 3: off to the side running routes. He's literally been in
Speaker 3: jeans and the hoodie and chillin', like even in preseason.
Speaker 3: You would like for him to get some type of
Speaker 3: deal done so he can at least get in the
Speaker 3: dress rehearsal, but that has not happened. So it's like
Speaker 3: one of these things where you kind of for fantasy,
Speaker 3: I'm still drafting him in that third round or wherever
Speaker 3: I'm getting him, because getting him as a wide receiver
Speaker 3: three you're literally stealing because he is such a productive players.
Speaker 3: So like, I'm still attacking him in drafts. I have
Speaker 3: a draft coming up this weekend, and I'm not going
Speaker 3: to say which league, but I have a draft come
Speaker 3: up this weekend. I'm like looking to target him because
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to be
Speaker 3: a little bit more scared because he's probably still not
Speaker 3: going to sign a deal until very last minute. So
Speaker 3: we'll see how it all pans out.
Speaker 1: All of your league mates are like, hmmm, yeah, now
Speaker 1: I want to know, is which draft am I in
Speaker 1: with Laqwan this weekend and I can maybe snatch the
Speaker 1: Brandon Look I was. I was in a sixteen team
Speaker 1: draft on Sunday and he was there in the fourth
Speaker 1: round of a sixteen team draft.
Speaker 2: I was I was going to get him.
Speaker 1: The guy two picks ahead of me was on auto
Speaker 1: pick and he ended up getting the worst.
Speaker 2: Kick him out of the league man.
Speaker 1: But there, you know what, I will give them credit
Speaker 1: because there was a whole snaf foo and mix up
Speaker 1: with draft time, like there was a whole technical thing
Speaker 1: in time zones. Yeah, at times it was just weird,
Speaker 1: So like I'm willing to give this guy a pass
Speaker 1: on that. But it was like I'm sitting there, I'm like, wow, Brandon,
Speaker 1: you can still really there, Like I I will totally
Speaker 1: get him right here. And then I could see the
Speaker 1: auto pick and I'm like, yeah, it's not gonna make
Speaker 1: It's just.
Speaker 2: Like an anime moment. You're thinking in my head like
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can get Brandon.
Speaker 1: Atyuk And I'm like, oh no, yeah, yeah, It's like
Speaker 1: I just I saw it coming, like it was like
Speaker 1: in slow motion. I'm like, yeah, he's not gonna be going.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be there. But that's the point though,
Speaker 1: like I saw. I mean, I'm watching other players, other
Speaker 1: people take other players because I think everybody's sort of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen with Ayuk. I was
Speaker 1: really perfectly ready to grab it. I already had a
Speaker 1: couple of wide receivers. I'm like, look, I take him
Speaker 1: as my third wide receiver. I'm golden, like you never you.
Speaker 3: Know what, Like I remember back when Aaron Donald held
Speaker 3: out and like he wasn't there the first game, and
Speaker 3: like he returned back week two. I'm even okay with
Speaker 3: Brandon and you missing the first game just to get
Speaker 3: someone to rust off, get into practice, get the deal done,
Speaker 3: and then he comes in week two and kills it
Speaker 3: for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5: I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3: And drafting him where he's at in this price, Like,
Speaker 3: I think we were just completely missing on how efficient
Speaker 3: he was last year and how much of a crucial
Speaker 3: core he is to that forty.
Speaker 1: It is a situation for me where both sides really
Speaker 1: do need each other because you know, look, I think
Speaker 1: Brandon Huk's a talented player, and I think he could
Speaker 1: have success in a lot of different places, but this
Speaker 1: offense really works for him.
Speaker 2: For the forty nine ers, they they need him.
Speaker 1: They need him as a guy who can beat man
Speaker 1: coverage consistently and get open. That was the thing we
Speaker 1: saw in the Super Bowl that the rest of the
Speaker 1: receivers really really had trouble with. So I floor down
Speaker 1: with you. I think the closer we get to Week one,
Speaker 1: the more likely it is he's going to be a
Speaker 1: forty nine er. I don't really know what is holding
Speaker 1: it up at this point. I think for most of
Speaker 1: us Niner fans and non Niner fans and like, I
Speaker 1: think we're just tired of hearing about it.
Speaker 2: Like, let's just no, I'm not tired. I like it.
Speaker 3: You guys are all you guys are all stressed out,
Speaker 3: like oh my god, we haven't or not, Like I
Speaker 3: sitting there smiling Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's the thing that worries me as
Speaker 1: a Ninner fan. More is Trent Williams. Like nobody's talking
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: Nobody talking about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no one's talking about that right, Like at
Speaker 1: one point I thought he was the MVP of the
Speaker 1: league because when he was gone, the Niners lost three
Speaker 1: games in a row. It's like everybody's talking about you
Speaker 1: know what is Brock Purdy? Is Lamar Jackson, is Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's Trent Williams many lost was gone.
Speaker 2: What am I doing?
Speaker 4: Purdy didn't look good in that preseason game where deebo
Speaker 4: And and Kiddle played. If I'm Ayuk or Trent Williams,
Speaker 4: I am walking in showing that game tape and walking
Speaker 4: out like that's what I'm doing for sure.
Speaker 3: No, he did not look good at all, Like five
Speaker 3: point nine yards per tenth in the two preseason games
Speaker 3: he's had.
Speaker 2: Got you look at it.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, important to that because it helps open up
Speaker 4: everything underneath when you have a guy that efficient down.
Speaker 3: Quick stat before we go all other pass catchers last
Speaker 3: season fo to forty nine ers. He had a nine
Speaker 3: point six pass attempt I mean passing yards per attempt
Speaker 3: only to Ayuk thirteen point six. Yea, It's like, come on, mane,
Speaker 3: the numbers don't lie.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, look, he's he's definitely better with Ayuk
Speaker 1: on the field. Look, I mean, look, he missed Ayuk
Speaker 1: and Christian McCaffrey for the entirety of the preseason. Those
Speaker 1: are two, really and Trent Williams. Those are three really
Speaker 1: big pieces to that offense.
Speaker 4: On any other team, those are the three most important players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on an offense for sure.
Speaker 4: The forty nine ers, they're just players.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just just to fill it in whatever.
Speaker 1: Uh didn't mean to spend this much time on Ayuk,
Speaker 1: but this is kind of what he does to us.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Last one is Jamar Chase, and Jamar Chase is a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different situation because he's not on
Speaker 1: the final year of his contract. He still has a
Speaker 1: couple of years left, but he has been holding in.
Speaker 1: I know he practiced, I believe yesterday or earlier in
Speaker 1: the weekend. I think he practiced with the team.
Speaker 2: I mean Florida.
Speaker 1: This one seems very cut and dry, like I can't
Speaker 1: imagine he doesn't show up and play. He still has
Speaker 1: a couple of years left. This feels like sort of
Speaker 1: trying to get out ahead of things. But this is
Speaker 1: one where I haven't really you know, I guess I
Speaker 1: haven't spent too much brain power on this one. It
Speaker 1: just feels like this was gonna get done.
Speaker 4: See, I kind of feel a little like this is
Speaker 4: the one that worries me the most because to your point,
Speaker 4: he's he's not on that final year of a contract,
Speaker 4: so he has less power, but he it's just weird,
Speaker 4: like getting a deal done for him is harder than
Speaker 4: for Ceedee Lamb or Brandon Ayuk, who are eligible to
Speaker 4: be free agents at the end of the year. Plus,
Speaker 4: according to Tom palliserro Jamar Chase wants to not only
Speaker 4: break the wide receiver record, he wants to Jefferson got
Speaker 4: thirty five a year. He wants forty eight years. So
Speaker 4: like maybe that's just like a wild ask and he's negotiating.
Speaker 4: It's also not like Jamar Chase has a history of
Speaker 4: holding out, Like we've never seen him sit out a
Speaker 4: season before for the betterment of his career. That never
Speaker 4: happened at LSU or anything like that. So that and
Speaker 4: then on top of that, all the Bengals are weird
Speaker 4: when it comes to paying their players, Like they I
Speaker 4: don't think they've paid T Higgins because they know they
Speaker 4: have to pay Jamar Chase, but like they really like
Speaker 4: to take things down to the wire and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So the thing with Chase is I've moved to Monro
Speaker 4: Saint Brown ahead of him. I was in a draft
Speaker 4: this weekend with two co managers and they it was
Speaker 4: on Saturday before he practiced, and they refused to take
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase, so we took Justin Jefferson. I was pushing
Speaker 4: for AJ Brown. I think Chase is in that tier
Speaker 4: where if you just want to play it safe and
Speaker 4: not have this headache. They're like, it's not like he
Speaker 4: could be Cede Lamb, but he's not Cdee Lamb yet,
Speaker 4: so I think that's a bigger drop off, Whereas I
Speaker 4: have him in the same tier as AJ Brown, Justin
Speaker 4: Jefferson to Monro. So if you just want to take
Speaker 4: one of those other guys, I'm okay with it. I
Speaker 4: still think that Chase and Lamb, though, are first round picks.
Speaker 2: Is Chase still a first round pick for you, lakwan Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I definitely moved him back in the first round,
Speaker 3: just being that, like what Florio said, or that the
Speaker 3: cautionary you have to take with him, and also a
Speaker 3: lot of his fantasy values tied to Joe Burrow's health,
Speaker 3: So that's always going to be on the back of
Speaker 3: my mind when I'm drafting him. So being that I'm
Speaker 3: somebody who drafted a ton of Chase last year, I
Speaker 3: even had the Joe Burrow stack and the super flex,
Speaker 3: and like, the injuries kind of knocked your discourse of
Speaker 3: your your your team in a playoff run because of
Speaker 3: certain things happening out of your power. So it's like
Speaker 3: one of those things where I definitely move him back,
Speaker 3: Like I'll take Tyreek Hill, I'll take him Monrod, like
Speaker 3: I'll take Bhan, I'll take See and See and Bristol
Speaker 3: all before I touch you know, Jamar Chase and in
Speaker 3: that first round.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think people are still willing to take
Speaker 1: him in the first round.
Speaker 2: I just think for all of us, we all sort
Speaker 2: of believe.
Speaker 1: That, you know, the the holdouts will be figured out
Speaker 1: when it's all said done.
Speaker 2: Pay the players, man, you got pay.
Speaker 5: I mean Jamar tripping a little, it's a little early.
Speaker 5: It's kind of early. It's kind of early tripping.
Speaker 1: There is a constant competition between him and Justin Jefferson, right,
Speaker 1: they were teammates at LSU. You know, I remember asking
Speaker 1: Justin a couple of years ago, like who gets to
Speaker 1: two thousand yards in a season first?
Speaker 2: He's like, it's me for sure, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna text Jamar soon as we're doing
Speaker 1: with this interview and let him know there's definitely.
Speaker 2: A competition between those two guys for exactly.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the things we learned in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Now the preseason football is over for another year, we'll
Speaker 1: figure out our big takeaways from that. That's coming up
Speaker 1: next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 2: All right, so we have been through I guess four
Speaker 2: weeks of the preseason. You had a week zero and
Speaker 2: then weeks one, two, and three of the preseason zero. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 2: it's a I remember what week zero in high school.
Speaker 1: I think there's one in college that this was week
Speaker 1: zero for college football. I even remember once doing high
Speaker 1: school football where was a week double zero And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Just just call it one and
Speaker 1: then we'll just move forward from there, like, why are
Speaker 1: we doing this?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't I don't make the rules.
Speaker 1: Man, this weekend they do play coming up on Sunday.
Speaker 1: They are in Las Vegas against LSU. You had a
Speaker 1: rough star. It's uh, you know, it's funny like the
Speaker 1: other parties, like I might not even be like I
Speaker 1: might have to like carve out some time away from
Speaker 1: the family to go and watch it. If it goes badly,
Speaker 1: then I'll just you know, I'll abandon ship and then
Speaker 1: go back and spend time with the family.
Speaker 2: Games. How it goes, spirits a little down, you know
Speaker 2: that that might have to be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is a Sunday game on Labor Day
Speaker 1: weekend in Vegas against LSU.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how this goes.
Speaker 1: I mean, time that we've gotten to the preseason, we
Speaker 1: watched you know, most, if not all, of the games,
Speaker 1: and we think we learned something. So lakwan for you,
Speaker 1: what was your big headline takeaway from the preseason?
Speaker 3: Listen, this twenty twenty four running back class maybe better
Speaker 3: than we actually expected it. And I'm not even gonna
Speaker 3: hit on like some of the top prospects. I mean,
Speaker 3: you got guys like Frank or junior out there that
Speaker 3: looked really, really good with his opportunities with Buffalo, then
Speaker 3: all your estimate, like he was injured coming into preseason,
Speaker 3: but then he finally got some work in the preseason.
Speaker 3: You know, he looks to be the red zone goal line.
Speaker 3: I mean didn't get much work on third down, but
Speaker 3: that may change. But other guys, like you're looking at
Speaker 3: Kamani Videll. I keep watching his highlights back to back
Speaker 3: when he played the Rams, and then even Jalen Wright
Speaker 3: sneakily he's just been going under the radar and the
Speaker 3: two games and the opportunities he's had as one of
Speaker 3: the most efficient rookie running backs of his class right now.
Speaker 3: So you're looking at some of these guys where you're
Speaker 3: going into drafting and like you don't necessarily have to
Speaker 3: put them at the last pick, but put them on
Speaker 3: your watch list, Like these are guys you want a
Speaker 3: monitor because yes, they have a bunch of guys in
Speaker 3: front of him or one or two guys, but injuries
Speaker 3: happen every single day, and it's like you just want
Speaker 3: to be prepared, so you're not looking on the waiver
Speaker 3: wire for guys that aren't really going to be able
Speaker 3: to help you out in the time of need.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing about this, this rookie running
Speaker 1: back class, and I think applies to I think running
Speaker 1: back classes going forward is because teams are using so
Speaker 1: many guys. That means there's opportunity for so many guys.
Speaker 1: It's why we're talking about Kamani Vidal and Ray Davis
Speaker 1: and you know, Tyrone Tracy. I mean, you just keep
Speaker 1: maybe that you mentioned Frank Gorgon, which I'm convinced is
Speaker 1: actually just Frank Gore.
Speaker 2: He's just trying to recycled himself. He learned how to
Speaker 2: clone itself. You know.
Speaker 1: He's just like, like, because we can't have an NFL
Speaker 1: without Frank Gore in it.
Speaker 3: So like he looked really really good bouncing out the
Speaker 3: edge and going up field and running hard. Like as
Speaker 3: a father, you have to be like proud to see
Speaker 3: that man, like he's running your style.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like looking, I'm looking at a picture.
Speaker 1: He looks like it it's Frank Gore with a wig
Speaker 1: dog Like, I'm just looking at this picture.
Speaker 4: He was like, I was counted out coming out of college,
Speaker 4: and my son is counted out, and I was like
Speaker 4: being an undrafted free agent and and being you are
Speaker 4: two very different things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank Gore wasn't really counted out.
Speaker 1: He had a major knee injury, like coming out of college,
Speaker 1: and people were like, man, I hope he can get
Speaker 1: healthy and play again. And obviously he had a really
Speaker 1: long successful career. But I don't know that anyone counted
Speaker 1: out Frank Gore senior like coming out of the you like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that was the case. Uh, Florida,
Speaker 1: What what did you learn from the preseason?
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I think we're gonna have to be very patient
Speaker 4: with a lot of the rookie wide receivers. Not your
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison's and your your Molik neighbors. Even Romadoonsay has
Speaker 4: a clear cut role. But after that, a lot of
Speaker 4: the especially some of the ones that we viewed as
Speaker 4: like sleepers. Like I am still big on Jermaine Burton.
Speaker 4: I like him, but he looks right now like he's
Speaker 4: about to start the year as the wide receiver four.
Speaker 2: Now. I think that's because he is a.
Speaker 4: Better replacement in case anything happens to Chase or Higgins.
Speaker 4: But for fantasy, it's not ideal. Javon Baker is playing
Speaker 4: with the two's. Clearly he's buried on the depth chart
Speaker 4: right now, even like Lad McConkie. We got to see
Speaker 4: how that volume shakes out there with Josh Palmer, who
Speaker 4: does right now look like they're one. Malachai Corley is
Speaker 4: a wide receiver that I was high on coming out
Speaker 4: of the draft, but he was only playing in three
Speaker 4: wide receiver sets. Ricky Piersoll is a name that's getting
Speaker 4: a little bit buried on the list of Xavier Leaguett.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to be if you take a shot
Speaker 4: some of these rookies. Just understand that you either one
Speaker 4: have to be patient or two if you drop them
Speaker 4: early on, be ready to add them off the waiver
Speaker 4: wire because I think that a lot of these rookies
Speaker 4: are still going to hit. I just don't know if
Speaker 4: it'll be the teams drafting them that benefits the rewards
Speaker 4: because it's gonna take a little bit of time. The
Speaker 4: veterans are clearly ahead of a lot of them, but
Speaker 4: as the year goes on they perform well. Injury stuff
Speaker 4: like that, a lot could change in a quick time
Speaker 4: in the NFL. But don't be drafting these guys thinking
Speaker 4: that you have like ready to contribute players right away.
Speaker 2: I well, one important question here.
Speaker 1: Do we know if Lad mcconkee was trapped in an
Speaker 1: elevator this weekend? And if so, how did he handle it?
Speaker 1: Did he perform like a leader? Was he calming?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: These are the sort of things I want to know
Speaker 1: about Ladd McConkie. But I mean, on a more serious note,
Speaker 1: what I do like is that I think one, because
Speaker 1: of the things you mentioned, the things we've seen in
Speaker 1: the preseason and the reports were getting. But also I
Speaker 1: think now as we're getting more casual drafters involved, I
Speaker 1: think the price is starting to come down on some
Speaker 1: of these these rookie wide receivers. Again, that's same sixteen
Speaker 1: team draft. I was in on Sunday, very late. I
Speaker 1: was able to one. I was a little bit upset
Speaker 1: cause I got sniped on McConkey by like a one
Speaker 1: one pick ahead of me, which which was frustrating, But
Speaker 1: you know, I was able to still get you know,
Speaker 1: a d Mitchell. I was able to take a shot
Speaker 1: at Jalen Millen. I took Mitchell. Yeah, No, I was
Speaker 1: able to get him. I took Jalen McMillan late. I
Speaker 1: think there's one other. I think I was able to
Speaker 1: get Javon Baker also fairly late, so you know there's
Speaker 1: upside there, and having the ADP come down on them
Speaker 1: makes me really really excited, you know, because I'm willing
Speaker 1: to still take those shots and see what happens, especially
Speaker 1: in league where you can start. I mean this league,
Speaker 1: I can start up to four wide receivers. We have
Speaker 1: three wide receiver spots and a flex option. I'll take
Speaker 1: those shots and I'll load up and see what happens
Speaker 1: with some of those guys.
Speaker 2: Late. I took Burton. That's Burton.
Speaker 1: It was it was Mitchell, McMillan and Burton. Those are
Speaker 1: three guys that I took late in night draft. I
Speaker 1: guess we'll finish out with the rookies, right, because that's
Speaker 1: what this whole thing has been about, is learning learning
Speaker 1: about the first year players. The rookie quarterback class looks
Speaker 1: promising to me, And yeah, we knew about the guys
Speaker 1: at the top, right. We were excited for Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: and for Jaden Daniels and those guys absolutely showed out.
Speaker 1: But I think the guys after them that we weren't
Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure on have at least opened some eyes,
Speaker 1: right Drake May. You know, the Patriots aren't going to
Speaker 1: be world beaters this year, but the offense has looked
Speaker 1: better with Drake May out there than it has with
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. And I'm curious to see, you know, what
Speaker 1: Gerardmeo decides to do about who their starter is going
Speaker 1: to be when those guys get an opportunity. We talked
Speaker 1: about bo Nicks on this show a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago and what he means and what he has shown
Speaker 1: for the Broncos and Sean Payton's offense. Michael Pennix, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be the starter as long as
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is healthy. But when he got his opportunities,
Speaker 1: he went out and he played really well in those
Speaker 1: chances there. I mean, we didn't, unfortunately, get to see
Speaker 1: a lot of JJ McCarthy, so we don't really have
Speaker 1: a full grade on him. But I mean, guys, I
Speaker 1: think there's there's really good hope here. You got two
Speaker 1: guys for sure that we feel like can have value
Speaker 1: during the season in Williams and Daniels, And for the
Speaker 1: rest of the folks, if you're playing Dynasty, may Nix Pinnix.
Speaker 2: You know, again, we'll see with McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Those guys look like they have a future ahead of them.
Speaker 1: I'm also still taking Williams ahead of Daniels by the
Speaker 1: way I was going to I got.
Speaker 2: I didn't get to them. They didn't just didn't fall right.
Speaker 1: I wasn't really I wasn't willing to reach on either
Speaker 1: one of those guys in a draft, but I did
Speaker 1: have them in my queue.
Speaker 2: It just it just didn't fall quite right for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I think I'm doing I think I think
Speaker 1: Caleb's going over four thousand yards. I think he gives
Speaker 1: you about you know, twenty twenty five, twenty five to
Speaker 1: thirty touchdowns. You know, it's about our him keeping the
Speaker 1: other interceptions down. But I think I think it's happening.
Speaker 5: I think it's a man have fun throw twenty interceptions.
Speaker 2: Who cares the only.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but like I look, I mean, I
Speaker 1: look at at the Chicago offense versus the Washington offense.
Speaker 2: There are more weapons in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got three really good wide receivers there
Speaker 1: versus Washington. It's Terry McLaurin, and we're still trying to
Speaker 1: figure out who's the number two?
Speaker 2: You know, you know we're trying.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know is it does ast Neegler
Speaker 1: get a bunch of targets. Zach Ertz is floating around there,
Speaker 1: like I have no idea where they go with the
Speaker 1: ball after after Lauren, you know, right.
Speaker 4: The thing too with with bo Nicks and Drake May
Speaker 4: that I really like is both have underrated rushing abilities.
Speaker 4: Like we saw that on display with bo Nicks previously,
Speaker 4: but like Drake May yesterday, I saw people being like
Speaker 4: this guy looks when he runs like a faster version
Speaker 4: of Josh Allen, and it's it's kind of hard to do.
Speaker 4: Like he's got the size. I don't think he's as
Speaker 4: athletic and like shifty as Allen, but he he's fast
Speaker 4: and like, yeah, it was a like third and thirteen
Speaker 4: or something like that deep in their own area and
Speaker 4: he picked it up with his legs, and I was
Speaker 4: like that that is what we care about for fantasy's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's different from the Patriots like normal football. I mean,
Speaker 3: having a guy like that that can bolt up field
Speaker 3: to get you a first down, that's what keeps these
Speaker 3: drives alive. Like I definitely see that Josh Allen like
Speaker 3: plays out of him, which is, you know, good and
Speaker 3: comforting for guys like Polk and you know the Mario
Speaker 3: Douglas like they're gonna be able to have time on
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 5: And this is where all the fantasy points come from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously, for twenty years it was
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. He was not a guy who was going
Speaker 1: to literally take off and run. In fact, I'm looking.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's career long run, it's like twelve yards twenty two.
Speaker 5: Yards, all right, I was closed somewhat.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's your point, right, I mean, Floryo
Speaker 1: just talked about Drake May ripping off a thirteen yard run,
Speaker 1: like right now, it is.
Speaker 2: It is weirded.
Speaker 1: It is a dynamic that they just have not had
Speaker 1: in the New England offense.
Speaker 2: Uh he ever pretty sure.
Speaker 4: Brady had a year where he had negative rushing yards.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, yeah, Actually his last year in ten
Speaker 1: but he had minus one.
Speaker 5: But isn't he like top five and like rushing yards
Speaker 5: a monk quarterbacks or something stupid like that, or it's
Speaker 5: a top ten.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, maybe he's he has a
Speaker 1: he has eleven hundred and twenty three yards rushing.
Speaker 4: You know what his career high is, like, like that's
Speaker 4: eleven hundred sounds cool.
Speaker 2: He played twenty sitting here, I'm sitting here looking at it.
Speaker 2: So like his his career high is one hundred and
Speaker 2: ten rushing yards.
Speaker 5: Boom all.
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson has more in a year than this guy
Speaker 4: had in twenty years.
Speaker 1: Mark get more in a game than he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: like Lamar Jackson could do more in a game than
Speaker 1: Tom Brady had an entire season. Obviously they're very different quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Like before y'all start tweeting at as man, like we
Speaker 1: get it, like this is a.
Speaker 2: Chillout, this is all for fun.
Speaker 4: Dunk though I saw last week he could still get up,
Speaker 4: all right, that's fair because I don't think I he's
Speaker 4: never eating a strawberry though.
Speaker 1: I'm still calling bs on that man, Like literally, he
Speaker 1: grew up in a town that's like an hour away
Speaker 1: from another town that has a very famous strawberry festival.
Speaker 1: Like I'm calling bs on that I am. You tell
Speaker 1: me he's never been to Watsonville for the strawberry Festival's
Speaker 1: right next to Santa Cruz. Like I'm not buying it, anyway.
Speaker 1: Stop you never eating a strawberry, Lukuan.
Speaker 5: No, I'm never eating a strawberry like hole and bit it.
Speaker 3: No, that's never happening. What never eating a strawberry? No,
Speaker 3: I've been an apples an orange guy. Man, I've been
Speaker 3: real simple.
Speaker 2: You don't even have an apple slicer until like a
Speaker 2: couple of months ago. I never forgot about that.
Speaker 5: You guys convince me to get the apple slicer because
Speaker 5: I was just like.
Speaker 4: Come on, it must say with kids especially, that must
Speaker 4: have changed your life.
Speaker 2: Your whole lunch has become easier.
Speaker 1: All right, So now you're your next assignment is to
Speaker 1: go and eat a strawberry, just a strawberry.
Speaker 5: Strawberries in my house, but like I don't eat them.
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait wait, So you live with strawberries
Speaker 4: and yet you never want No, never once said I
Speaker 4: there were roommates you was living like I thought he
Speaker 4: was Like listen, I've never bought him. We don't have
Speaker 4: him in the house, like in his fridge.
Speaker 5: Like my sister loves him, Laila loves him. They've been
Speaker 5: in my house in my childhood. I just never wanted them.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, that's order to dessert where it
Speaker 4: comes on it, because they come on a lot of desserts.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. All right, sorry, mind's blown. I'm shook.
Speaker 2: We gotta take a break. We have one more segment.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta take a break and regroup because
Speaker 2: I am shook. Right now.
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back talk about guys that we are
Speaker 1: avoiding the way apparently the Quand's avoiding strawberries.
Speaker 2: I had no idea stick around for more. We're gonna
Speaker 2: come back and figure.
Speaker 1: This out on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. H Yeah,
Speaker 1: we took the break to try and and get our
Speaker 1: minds right again after this. Apparently this this ground own,
Speaker 1: earth shaking revelation.
Speaker 2: That Lawan Jones has never had a strawberry. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: as we finish out the show.
Speaker 1: Today, we're gonna talk about our guys later in the week,
Speaker 1: the guys that we absolutely have to have in as
Speaker 1: many drafts as we can possibly get them. But for now,
Speaker 1: let's talk about a guy that we just can't seem
Speaker 1: to wrap our heads around drafting. Uh Laquand for you,
Speaker 1: who's somebody you just cannot pull the trigger on unlets,
Speaker 1: you know, unless obviously they fall like crazy far in drafts,
Speaker 1: but just generally speaking, you just can't do it.
Speaker 3: I don't even care if this dude falls to like
Speaker 3: the tenth round, But Zay Flowers is a guy I
Speaker 3: cannot draft confidently in those first four rounds. And like,
Speaker 3: I see a lot of people going out there again
Speaker 3: him and they're really excited about having him. Like I
Speaker 3: do want to say, he's very talented, he's very creative.
Speaker 3: I mean, we see the highlight from him, but when
Speaker 3: we actually look at the groundbreaking thing about it, it's
Speaker 3: like whide receivers that play for the Ravens aren't really
Speaker 3: like the most fantasy relevant guys. I mean, we're looking
Speaker 3: at this offense and what it's going to be built around,
Speaker 3: and it's obviously going to be the run game. Like
Speaker 3: they will have their moments, they will have their spike highs,
Speaker 3: but when it comes to a week to week basis,
Speaker 3: are you really drafting Zay Flowers as your wide receiver too?
Speaker 3: Like after you just came out of those first early rounds,
Speaker 3: it just feels really disgusting with me, you know, thinking
Speaker 3: about a Baltimore Ravens like wide receiver and even looking
Speaker 3: at the whole dynamic of the offense. If you're thinking
Speaker 3: about Rashad Bateman. I mean, we have never seen two
Speaker 3: Ravens wide receivers code exist having more than ten Fantasy
Speaker 3: points per game or fifty receptions in the same season.
Speaker 3: So there tells you that somebody's gonna be the odd
Speaker 3: man out.
Speaker 1: I've gone with you, like, I mean, I'm drafting Mark
Speaker 1: Andrews in plenty of places because we know that he's
Speaker 1: gonna get that target share, like we don't really have
Speaker 1: to worry about that. But yeah, I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think I have any Zay Flowers because I guess
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't just see the.
Speaker 3: It feels yuckie, Like it feels like the last year
Speaker 3: that Robert Woods was with the Rams, when you knew
Speaker 3: he was on his way out, and like you drafted
Speaker 3: and you're like, you're not that value of had years prior,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like his rookie season. You
Speaker 3: were drafting well until like the ninth tenth round of
Speaker 3: Jay Flowers, and like for him to do what he
Speaker 3: did his rookie season, it's kind of like comforting and
Speaker 3: like promising and thinking it will elevate but then you
Speaker 3: remember he plays for the Baltimore Ravens and this is
Speaker 3: the Lamar Err Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I keep trying to tell us every year like
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw the ball more like until it actually happened,
Speaker 1: until I actually see it, Like I just can't, I
Speaker 1: can't really buy into it.
Speaker 4: I've also not really drafted a ton of him. But
Speaker 4: the last week I've been like, am I gonna regret that?
Speaker 2: Because I did.
Speaker 4: See someone point out like year two wide receiver and
Speaker 4: nothing has changed, like same oc, same quarterback, thin wide
Speaker 4: receiver room, all of that. And that's the only thing
Speaker 4: I've seen all summer that has given me some paws.
Speaker 2: On my my Jay Flowers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think it's funny too, because I think it
Speaker 1: was Dave Klugi, who does a lot of stuff at
Speaker 1: football Guys. He's like, I'm at the point of the
Speaker 1: off season now where I'm I'm drafting guys that I
Speaker 1: haven't drafted before.
Speaker 2: Just in case you know, all fade team. That's good.
Speaker 2: Don't bring that.
Speaker 4: Into your redraft teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, unless you do a
Speaker 1: zillion redraft teams, it's probably not the best way to go.
Speaker 2: H Florida. Who's the guy that you are just staying
Speaker 2: away from this year?
Speaker 4: I toyed with Nick Chubb, but he's he goes so
Speaker 4: late in the draft. So let's get a little bit spicier.
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs. For me, I I look at what I
Speaker 4: get the appeal, Like, I understand everyone what people are saying.
Speaker 4: He could be the first guy in the La flor
Speaker 4: era to be like the three down back and not
Speaker 4: have split work. The offense is better, all of that.
Speaker 4: I get all of that. But last season he had
Speaker 4: the fewest amounts of runs go for ten or more yards.
Speaker 4: It was less than four percent. His metrics fell like
Speaker 4: you pick one. It was probably his worst in the NFL.
Speaker 4: And I know people can be like, well, last year
Speaker 4: was a down year, like the Raiders had a bad offense,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Last year was exactly like two years
Speaker 4: ago or three years ago. Now at this point, the
Speaker 4: outlier season for Josh Jacobs is that RB one season
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty two. And it's also about like where
Speaker 4: he's going in drafts, Like if I want a running
Speaker 4: back early, I'd rather go around earlier and get like
Speaker 4: Kyen Williams, Derrick Henry, Isaiah Pacheco, Travis Etn or I'd
Speaker 4: rather wait and get like Kenneth Walker, who is someone
Speaker 4: that I've really warmed up to this summer, or James
Speaker 4: Connor around like two three rounds later. So it's just
Speaker 4: it's partly that I'm worried about him, and partly that
Speaker 4: like his price isn't quite with the elite guys, but
Speaker 4: it's before the values I think at the position, So like,
Speaker 4: I don't want to pay full price for him. I'd
Speaker 4: rather just wait and get like the other guys that
Speaker 4: I said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've I've been holding onto the idea
Speaker 2: that I think.
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lloyd is going to have a much bigger role
Speaker 1: in this offense than I think we anticipate. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just look so far that I know the numbers
Speaker 1: have been out there. A lot of people have talked
Speaker 1: about it that just the packers under Matt Lafleur have
Speaker 1: not leaned on one guy, you know, And I just
Speaker 1: I still think it was weird that they wouldn't. They
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay Aaron Jones, but somehow they paid
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, who I think I think Aaron Jones gives
Speaker 1: you more all around ability. You know, he catches the
Speaker 1: football more than Josh Jacobs does. I guess Jacobs is
Speaker 1: on the verge of setting a record of like most
Speaker 1: receptions in a career to start a career without catching
Speaker 1: a touchdown, and Jordan Jordan Love has vowed that they're
Speaker 1: going to try and make sure he does not break
Speaker 1: the record, that they want to try to get him
Speaker 1: a receiving touchdown. So yeah, he's got the one hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety seven catches in his career zero touchdowns. Nice,
Speaker 1: So so the Packers have vowed they're going to try
Speaker 1: and get him a score so he does not break
Speaker 1: that record.
Speaker 2: If that means anything to you, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: like him less pity touchdown.
Speaker 5: Come on, like just watch Jordan Love handed totally go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but it's like it's got to be a reception.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be like a little quick like.
Speaker 1: Short off, a little little shovel pass right shovel passes,
Speaker 1: Like all right, there you go, you got one. I'm
Speaker 1: staying running back. I'm staying veteran running back, and it's
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara for me. I just I can't because my
Speaker 1: my fear with Alvin Kamara is that he's going to
Speaker 1: be just good enough that you can't take him out
Speaker 1: of your lineup, but not good enough that he's really
Speaker 1: going to put up any big weeks for you, Right,
Speaker 1: I mean, the the overall production and the efficiency has
Speaker 1: dropped significantly from the start of his career. The only
Speaker 1: thing really keeping him afloat is the target share, because
Speaker 1: you know, Derek Carr was a check down champion last
Speaker 1: year and that helped. I mean, I'm sitting here looking
Speaker 1: at his game longs right, he had. He had that
Speaker 1: game that still disgusts me. It makes me queasy just
Speaker 1: to think about it. Fourteen targets, thirteen catches, thirty three
Speaker 1: yards like that. Love that that seems physic impossible, Like
Speaker 1: how was that happening? I mean literally, I I have
Speaker 1: already sort of been radicalized against full point PPR. That
Speaker 1: one took me to the next level, just something like that,
Speaker 1: because here is he got you, right, I mean, he
Speaker 1: got what the other Actually the crazy part of it's
Speaker 1: just the whole thing just makes me so so disgusted.
Speaker 1: He had twenty one points that game. He had a
Speaker 1: grand total of like eighty four yards and no touchdowns.
Speaker 1: But thirteen receptions, you know, So I think that's the
Speaker 1: thing that sort of keeps him afloat and keeps him relevant.
Speaker 1: There are also so many question marks about the Saints offense.
Speaker 1: You know, Chris Olave is the number one target, but
Speaker 1: I know you guys have said on the show, like
Speaker 1: I know, Lakwan, You're like, why are we big on
Speaker 1: Chris Olave at this point in this offense? At least
Speaker 1: he gets air yards, he gets downfield targets, Like if
Speaker 1: Camara that, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: So I just you know, I can't do it with him.
Speaker 2: I just can't right now.
Speaker 4: And on that point with Kamara, one thing I don't
Speaker 4: think it's enough talking points is the new OC Clint Kubiak.
Speaker 4: I know, like he was with the forty nine ers
Speaker 4: last year, but McCaffrey played sixteen games and had eighty
Speaker 4: three targets. Every other year of his career where he
Speaker 4: played sixteen games, he had at least one hundred and
Speaker 4: eight targets. And the one year that Kubiak was in OC,
Speaker 4: Madison and Cook neither reached fifty targets. So I don't
Speaker 4: think Kamara's gonna be completely taken out of the passing game.
Speaker 4: But if he loses a decent chunk of that target share,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be real ugly.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just comes down to that, the Saints offense
Speaker 3: is going to be bad.
Speaker 2: To not invest. I think that's sort of where we.
Speaker 3: Go on unless Spencer Rattler becomes a starter at some point,
Speaker 3: I would be very exciting.
Speaker 2: Is that gonna make it better?
Speaker 3: He looked really good, man, I'm telling you now, I
Speaker 3: felt really really excited for him to actually get the
Speaker 3: opportunity to showcase his ability like he looked good in
Speaker 3: that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: That makes me more excited about the Saints off.
Speaker 4: I mean, they do have a potential out in the
Speaker 4: Derek Carr contract.
Speaker 2: But look at Florio. He's ready to dunk.
Speaker 4: He is getting I mean the dead cap next year
Speaker 4: is fifty millions, So I would be shocked if if
Speaker 4: if Car was healthy and they didn't start him all year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's not getting pulled in injuries the
Speaker 1: only way he gets out of the lineup, I think
Speaker 1: at this point. So, uh, that was a downerweight in
Speaker 1: the show. I probably should have planned that better. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take We're gonna pause for the day.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with you later on in the week,
Speaker 1: hopefully by then Lakwan will have had a strawberry.
Speaker 2: You have to record.
Speaker 4: Yourself if you eat one.
Speaker 1: I feel like now I have to one because we've
Speaker 1: put it out there and like everybody knows, I either
Speaker 1: absolutely love it or hate it.
Speaker 4: Like if you're just like this is solid, that's disappointing, right.
Speaker 1: The only thing that's gonna happen, And I'm sure we're
Speaker 1: gonna get like tweets from other people who are like
Speaker 1: I've also never had a strawberry, Like all the all
Speaker 1: the non strawberriers or something gonna come out of the
Speaker 1: woodwork because that's how Twitter operated. Strawberries assemble right, like
Speaker 1: there are dozens of us, dozens.
Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be the whole thing like that. Uh. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we'll figure it out and we will update you on
Speaker 2: Lakwan's berry progress or something the next time we get
Speaker 2: together in the meantime.
Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football Podcast, The Happy, Safe and Healthy, Do Good, Live well,
Speaker 1: eat some produce everybody, and we'll talk to you again.
Speaker 2: Real soon,