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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Monday, August twenty six, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're making this

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Speaker 1: all up as we go along. It's me your man, MG,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grant, joined by Michael Floya and the star.

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Speaker 2: Of Good Morning Football, LaQuan Jones.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just say star of NFL network, you know, cause,

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Speaker 1: like I wake up on Sunday morning. Actually I was

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Speaker 1: awake for a while, but I'm watching, you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the preseason games. I see Florio's face popping up

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Speaker 1: alongside Omar Ruiz giving fantasy tips. Then this morning is

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Speaker 1: I'm scrolling Twitter. I see Lakwan's face smiling talking about

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Speaker 1: the you know, the NFC West. Uh. You guys are

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Speaker 1: legit network stars. I'm just a guy who hosts a podcast.

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Speaker 2: But I'm glad. I'm glad I could be here alongside you,

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Speaker 2: fellas I am.

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Speaker 3: You're the anchor man, You're the reason why this show

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Speaker 3: is running this move as it does leave it to

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Speaker 3: the degenerates.

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Speaker 1: He gets one of the episodes, me in Florida, did

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Speaker 1: I am just a guy who talks about fake football

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Speaker 1: for a living. That's what I do.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which I guess we should talk about some

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Speaker 2: fake football today.

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Speaker 1: Right we are we are officially through the preseason. There

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Speaker 1: is a dead period now, it's sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: it's sort of like dead week before finals, if you will, UH,

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Speaker 1: and then the season starts in a little more than

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Speaker 1: a week from now. So we'll talk about the things

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Speaker 1: that we learned in the preseason. We'll talk about some

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Speaker 1: guys and maybe we are staying away from UH. Just

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Speaker 1: a heads up because later in the week we are

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Speaker 1: we're all planning to talk to man tit Teo again

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Speaker 1: this week. We had a lot of fun with him

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Speaker 1: last week, so we're gonna have him back on the

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Speaker 1: show at some point this week. Also later in the week, Fels,

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna do you know, our guys right,

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Speaker 1: like the guys that we are, we can't leave a

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Speaker 1: draft of that will go position by position. But today

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna talk about maybe some guys that we

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Speaker 1: are not so much a fan of when it comes

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Speaker 1: to to drafting in fantasy. But I want to get

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Speaker 1: started today with the holdouts because a thing that has

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Speaker 1: been recurring all throughout this preseason are the guys who

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Speaker 1: aren't there or at least aren't on the field. Three

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Speaker 1: of them happen to be high level wide receivers. And

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Speaker 1: so now we're at the point where the preseason games

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Speaker 1: are over, training camps have broken, teams are starting to

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Speaker 1: get ready for Week one, and these guys still aren't around,

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Speaker 1: And so how do we approach these in drafts? So

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Speaker 1: let's start Florida with Brandon Ayuk, right, because we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about Brandon Ayuk for how long now, maw weeks?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: It?

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Speaker 1: You know, the story has been that the deal is

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Speaker 1: at the one yard line. It seems like they've been

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Speaker 1: at the one yard line for a while. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many shots they've gotten at this, but they

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Speaker 2: We know what he means to the forty nine er offense.

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Speaker 1: We know that there's still potentially a trade to Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: maybe just hanging out there. There were rumors the Commanders

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Speaker 1: might get involved at some point in this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: At this point, What are you doing with Brandon Ayuk

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Speaker 1: in drafts? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Well, first, my biggest question is what is this one

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Speaker 4: thing that is holding this up? Because like you would

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Speaker 4: think they would have it, like I hope it's something

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Speaker 4: weird like moneyball, like I don't want to pay for

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Speaker 4: sodas anymore or something like that, like uh, but with

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Speaker 4: Ayuk in particular, I I haven't moved him at all

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Speaker 4: in my rankings because this is something that the three

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Speaker 4: like we I don't want to speak for you guys,

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Speaker 4: but at least like I from this whole time have

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Speaker 4: been like, the most likely outcome is Brandon Ayuk is

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Speaker 4: a forty nine Er come Week one, And the closer

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Speaker 4: we get to the season, the more and more I

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Speaker 4: like to trade for a superstar wide receiver right now

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Speaker 4: on both sides. If you're the forty nine Ers and

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Speaker 4: you got to completely revamp your offense, and if you're

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Speaker 2: I think this whole thing.

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Speaker 4: The Steelers I think were just used like I think

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Speaker 4: Ayuk was like trade me, and the Niners were like,

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Speaker 4: they were just calling each other's bluff the whole time

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Speaker 4: and using the Steelers kind of how the Mets always

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Speaker 4: get used in baseball. But I'm drafting Ayuk. I have

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Speaker 4: him still ranked as a wide receiver one. He falls

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Speaker 4: a lot. I've gotten him as a wide receiver three

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Speaker 4: take him there. I will say, though, like to differentiate

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Speaker 4: a bit, I took Cooper Cup over him in a

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Speaker 4: I want to differentiate a bit, but I'm not shying

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Speaker 2: Why are you pulling that he took Cooper Cup in

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Speaker 2: a draft? What is that about? Oh my bad?

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Speaker 3: I heard that the different way. I was just ready

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Speaker 3: for the boo because we were talking forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: I had to get my hate out some type of way.

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Speaker 1: All right, I mean sorry, but I mean I have

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Speaker 1: to ask you, like as objectively as you can, like

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Speaker 1: I understand, I'll try.

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Speaker 2: I understand that you want you want brand.

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Speaker 1: Now you gone for like competitive purposes, Like I get

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Speaker 1: that part, but just in terms of you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are you doing with Brandon Aiyuk right now?

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Speaker 3: So with fantasy, like I want him to stay a

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Speaker 3: forty nine er. I think it makes the most sense because,

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Speaker 3: like Florio said, we're less than two weeks away, Like

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Speaker 3: what type of Brandon and I you we're gonna get

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Speaker 3: on a new offensive, new scheme, a new quarterback, like

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Speaker 3: these are all things we need to account for. Like

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Speaker 3: he has not been practicing. It's not like he's been

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Speaker 3: jeans and the hoodie and chillin', like even in preseason.

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Speaker 3: You would like for him to get some type of

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Speaker 3: one of these things where you kind of for fantasy,

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Speaker 3: I'm still drafting him in that third round or wherever

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Speaker 3: I'm getting him, because getting him as a wide receiver

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Speaker 3: three you're literally stealing because he is such a productive players.

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Speaker 3: So like, I'm still attacking him in drafts. I have

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Speaker 3: a draft coming up this weekend, and I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to say which league, but I have a draft come

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Speaker 3: up this weekend. I'm like looking to target him because

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to be

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Speaker 3: a little bit more scared because he's probably still not

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Speaker 3: we'll see how it all pans out.

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Speaker 1: All of your league mates are like, hmmm, yeah, now

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Speaker 1: I want to know, is which draft am I in

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Speaker 1: with Laqwan this weekend and I can maybe snatch the

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Speaker 1: Brandon Look I was. I was in a sixteen team

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Speaker 1: draft on Sunday and he was there in the fourth

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Speaker 2: I was I was going to get him.

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Speaker 1: The guy two picks ahead of me was on auto

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Speaker 2: Kick him out of the league man.

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Speaker 1: But there, you know what, I will give them credit

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Speaker 1: because there was a whole snaf foo and mix up

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Speaker 1: with draft time, like there was a whole technical thing

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Speaker 1: in time zones. Yeah, at times it was just weird,

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Speaker 1: So like I'm willing to give this guy a pass

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Speaker 1: on that. But it was like I'm sitting there, I'm like, wow, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: you can still really there, Like I I will totally

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Speaker 1: get him right here. And then I could see the

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Speaker 1: auto pick and I'm like, yeah, it's not gonna make

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Speaker 1: It's just.

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Speaker 2: Like an anime moment. You're thinking in my head like

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I can get Brandon.

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Speaker 1: Atyuk And I'm like, oh no, yeah, yeah, It's like

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Speaker 1: I just I saw it coming, like it was like

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Speaker 1: in slow motion. I'm like, yeah, he's not gonna be going.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be there. But that's the point though,

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Speaker 1: like I saw. I mean, I'm watching other players, other

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen with Ayuk. I was

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Speaker 1: really perfectly ready to grab it. I already had a

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Speaker 1: couple of wide receivers. I'm like, look, I take him

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Speaker 1: as my third wide receiver. I'm golden, like you never you.

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Speaker 3: Know what, Like I remember back when Aaron Donald held

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Speaker 3: out and like he wasn't there the first game, and

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Speaker 3: like he returned back week two. I'm even okay with

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Speaker 3: someone to rust off, get into practice, get the deal done,

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Speaker 3: and then he comes in week two and kills it

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Speaker 3: And drafting him where he's at in this price, Like,

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Speaker 3: I think we were just completely missing on how efficient

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Speaker 1: It is a situation for me where both sides really

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Speaker 1: do need each other because you know, look, I think

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Speaker 1: Brandon Huk's a talented player, and I think he could

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Speaker 1: have success in a lot of different places, but this

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Speaker 2: For the forty nine ers, they they need him.

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Speaker 1: They need him as a guy who can beat man

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Speaker 1: coverage consistently and get open. That was the thing we

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Speaker 1: saw in the Super Bowl that the rest of the

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Speaker 1: with you. I think the closer we get to Week one,

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Speaker 1: the more likely it is he's going to be a

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Speaker 1: forty nine er. I don't really know what is holding

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Speaker 1: it up at this point. I think for most of

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Speaker 1: us Niner fans and non Niner fans and like, I

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Speaker 1: think we're just tired of hearing about it.

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Speaker 2: Like, let's just no, I'm not tired. I like it.

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Speaker 3: You guys are all you guys are all stressed out,

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Speaker 3: like oh my god, we haven't or not, Like I

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Speaker 3: sitting there smiling Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like, it's the thing that worries me as

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Speaker 1: a Ninner fan. More is Trent Williams. Like nobody's talking

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Speaker 2: Nobody talking about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no one's talking about that right, Like at

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Speaker 1: one point I thought he was the MVP of the

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Speaker 1: league because when he was gone, the Niners lost three

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Speaker 1: games in a row. It's like everybody's talking about you

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Speaker 1: know what is Brock Purdy? Is Lamar Jackson, is Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's Trent Williams many lost was gone.

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Speaker 2: What am I doing?

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Speaker 4: Purdy didn't look good in that preseason game where deebo

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Speaker 4: And and Kiddle played. If I'm Ayuk or Trent Williams,

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Speaker 4: I am walking in showing that game tape and walking

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Speaker 4: out like that's what I'm doing for sure.

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Speaker 3: No, he did not look good at all, Like five

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Speaker 4: So the thing with Chase is I've moved to Monro

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Speaker 1: That, you know, the the holdouts will be figured out

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Speaker 5: I mean Jamar tripping a little, it's a little early.

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Speaker 1: There is a constant competition between him and Justin Jefferson, right,

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Speaker 2: All right, so we have been through I guess four

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Speaker 1: I think there's one in college that this was week

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Speaker 3: Listen, this twenty twenty four running back class maybe better

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Speaker 1: He had a major knee injury, like coming out of college,

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Speaker 4: are still going to hit. I just don't know if

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Speaker 4: it'll be the teams drafting them that benefits the rewards

439
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Speaker 4: because it's gonna take a little bit of time. The

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Speaker 4: veterans are clearly ahead of a lot of them, but

441
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Speaker 4: as the year goes on they perform well. Injury stuff

442
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Speaker 4: like that, a lot could change in a quick time

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Speaker 4: in the NFL. But don't be drafting these guys thinking

444
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Speaker 4: that you have like ready to contribute players right away.

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Speaker 2: I well, one important question here.

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Speaker 1: Do we know if Lad mcconkee was trapped in an

447
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Speaker 1: elevator this weekend? And if so, how did he handle it?

448
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Speaker 1: Did he perform like a leader? Was he calming?

449
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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: These are the sort of things I want to know

451
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Speaker 1: about Ladd McConkie. But I mean, on a more serious note,

452
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Speaker 1: what I do like is that I think one, because

453
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Speaker 1: of the things you mentioned, the things we've seen in

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Speaker 1: the preseason and the reports were getting. But also I

455
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Speaker 1: think now as we're getting more casual drafters involved, I

456
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Speaker 1: think the price is starting to come down on some

457
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Speaker 1: of these these rookie wide receivers. Again, that's same sixteen

458
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Speaker 1: team draft. I was in on Sunday, very late. I

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Speaker 1: was able to one. I was a little bit upset

460
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Speaker 1: cause I got sniped on McConkey by like a one

461
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Speaker 1: one pick ahead of me, which which was frustrating, But

462
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Speaker 1: you know, I was able to still get you know,

463
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Speaker 1: a d Mitchell. I was able to take a shot

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Speaker 1: at Jalen Millen. I took Mitchell. Yeah, No, I was

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Speaker 1: able to get him. I took Jalen McMillan late. I

466
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Speaker 1: think there's one other. I think I was able to

467
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Speaker 1: get Javon Baker also fairly late, so you know there's

468
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Speaker 1: upside there, and having the ADP come down on them

469
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Speaker 1: makes me really really excited, you know, because I'm willing

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Speaker 1: to still take those shots and see what happens, especially

471
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Speaker 1: in league where you can start. I mean this league,

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Speaker 1: I can start up to four wide receivers. We have

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Speaker 1: three wide receiver spots and a flex option. I'll take

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Speaker 1: those shots and I'll load up and see what happens

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Speaker 1: with some of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Late. I took Burton. That's Burton.

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Speaker 1: It was it was Mitchell, McMillan and Burton. Those are

478
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Speaker 1: three guys that I took late in night draft. I

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Speaker 1: guess we'll finish out with the rookies, right, because that's

480
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Speaker 1: what this whole thing has been about, is learning learning

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Speaker 1: about the first year players. The rookie quarterback class looks

482
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Speaker 1: promising to me, And yeah, we knew about the guys

483
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Speaker 1: at the top, right. We were excited for Caleb Williams

484
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Speaker 1: and for Jaden Daniels and those guys absolutely showed out.

485
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Speaker 1: But I think the guys after them that we weren't

486
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure on have at least opened some eyes,

487
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Speaker 1: right Drake May. You know, the Patriots aren't going to

488
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Speaker 1: be world beaters this year, but the offense has looked

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Speaker 1: better with Drake May out there than it has with

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Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. And I'm curious to see, you know, what

491
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Speaker 1: Gerardmeo decides to do about who their starter is going

492
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Speaker 1: to be when those guys get an opportunity. We talked

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Speaker 1: about bo Nicks on this show a couple of weeks

494
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Speaker 1: ago and what he means and what he has shown

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Speaker 1: for the Broncos and Sean Payton's offense. Michael Pennix, Yeah,

496
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Speaker 1: he's not going to be the starter as long as

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is healthy. But when he got his opportunities,

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Speaker 1: he went out and he played really well in those

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Speaker 1: chances there. I mean, we didn't, unfortunately, get to see

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Speaker 1: a lot of JJ McCarthy, so we don't really have

501
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Speaker 1: a full grade on him. But I mean, guys, I

502
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Speaker 1: think there's there's really good hope here. You got two

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Speaker 1: guys for sure that we feel like can have value

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Speaker 1: during the season in Williams and Daniels, And for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the folks, if you're playing Dynasty, may Nix Pinnix.

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Speaker 2: You know, again, we'll see with McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: Those guys look like they have a future ahead of them.

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Speaker 1: I'm also still taking Williams ahead of Daniels by the

509
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Speaker 1: way I was going to I got.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get to them. They didn't just didn't fall right.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really I wasn't willing to reach on either

512
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Speaker 1: one of those guys in a draft, but I did

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Speaker 1: have them in my queue.

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Speaker 2: It just it just didn't fall quite right for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I think I'm doing I think I think

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Speaker 1: Caleb's going over four thousand yards. I think he gives

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Speaker 1: you about you know, twenty twenty five, twenty five to

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Speaker 1: thirty touchdowns. You know, it's about our him keeping the

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Speaker 1: other interceptions down. But I think I think it's happening.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a man have fun throw twenty interceptions.

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Speaker 2: Who cares the only.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but like I look, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: look at at the Chicago offense versus the Washington offense.

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Speaker 2: There are more weapons in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got three really good wide receivers there

526
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Speaker 1: versus Washington. It's Terry McLaurin, and we're still trying to

527
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Speaker 1: figure out who's the number two?

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Speaker 2: You know, you know we're trying.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know is it does ast Neegler

530
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Speaker 1: get a bunch of targets. Zach Ertz is floating around there,

531
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Speaker 1: like I have no idea where they go with the

532
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Speaker 1: ball after after Lauren, you know, right.

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Speaker 4: The thing too with with bo Nicks and Drake May

534
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Speaker 4: that I really like is both have underrated rushing abilities.

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Speaker 4: Like we saw that on display with bo Nicks previously,

536
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Speaker 4: but like Drake May yesterday, I saw people being like

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Speaker 4: this guy looks when he runs like a faster version

538
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Speaker 4: of Josh Allen, and it's it's kind of hard to do.

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Speaker 4: Like he's got the size. I don't think he's as

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Speaker 4: athletic and like shifty as Allen, but he he's fast

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Speaker 4: and like, yeah, it was a like third and thirteen

542
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Speaker 4: or something like that deep in their own area and

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Speaker 4: he picked it up with his legs, and I was

544
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Speaker 4: like that that is what we care about for fantasy's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's different from the Patriots like normal football. I mean,

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Speaker 3: having a guy like that that can bolt up field

547
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Speaker 3: to get you a first down, that's what keeps these

548
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Speaker 3: drives alive. Like I definitely see that Josh Allen like

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Speaker 3: plays out of him, which is, you know, good and

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Speaker 3: comforting for guys like Polk and you know the Mario

551
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Speaker 3: Douglas like they're gonna be able to have time on

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Speaker 3: the field.

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Speaker 5: And this is where all the fantasy points come from.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously, for twenty years it was

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. He was not a guy who was going

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Speaker 1: to literally take off and run. In fact, I'm looking.

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady's career long run, it's like twelve yards twenty two.

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Speaker 5: Yards, all right, I was closed somewhat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but that's your point, right, I mean, Floryo

560
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Speaker 1: just talked about Drake May ripping off a thirteen yard run,

561
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Speaker 1: like right now, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is weirded.

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Speaker 1: It is a dynamic that they just have not had

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Speaker 1: in the New England offense.

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Speaker 2: Uh he ever pretty sure.

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Speaker 4: Brady had a year where he had negative rushing yards.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, yeah, Actually his last year in ten

568
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Speaker 1: but he had minus one.

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Speaker 5: But isn't he like top five and like rushing yards

570
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Speaker 5: a monk quarterbacks or something stupid like that, or it's

571
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Speaker 5: a top ten.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, maybe he's he has a

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Speaker 1: he has eleven hundred and twenty three yards rushing.

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Speaker 4: You know what his career high is, like, like that's

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Speaker 4: eleven hundred sounds cool.

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Speaker 2: He played twenty sitting here, I'm sitting here looking at it.

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Speaker 2: So like his his career high is one hundred and

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Speaker 2: ten rushing yards.

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Speaker 5: Boom all.

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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson has more in a year than this guy

581
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Speaker 4: had in twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Mark get more in a game than he's like, you know,

583
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Speaker 1: like Lamar Jackson could do more in a game than

584
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady had an entire season. Obviously they're very different quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Like before y'all start tweeting at as man, like we

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Speaker 1: get it, like this is a.

587
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Speaker 2: Chillout, this is all for fun.

588
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Speaker 4: Dunk though I saw last week he could still get up,

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Speaker 4: all right, that's fair because I don't think I he's

590
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Speaker 4: never eating a strawberry though.

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Speaker 1: I'm still calling bs on that man, Like literally, he

592
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: grew up in a town that's like an hour away

593
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Speaker 1: from another town that has a very famous strawberry festival.

594
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Speaker 1: Like I'm calling bs on that I am. You tell

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Speaker 1: me he's never been to Watsonville for the strawberry Festival's

596
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: right next to Santa Cruz. Like I'm not buying it, anyway.

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Speaker 1: Stop you never eating a strawberry, Lukuan.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm never eating a strawberry like hole and bit it.

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Speaker 3: No, that's never happening. What never eating a strawberry? No,

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Speaker 3: I've been an apples an orange guy. Man, I've been

601
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Speaker 3: real simple.

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Speaker 2: You don't even have an apple slicer until like a

603
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Speaker 2: couple of months ago. I never forgot about that.

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Speaker 5: You guys convince me to get the apple slicer because

605
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Speaker 5: I was just like.

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Speaker 4: Come on, it must say with kids especially, that must

607
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Speaker 4: have changed your life.

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Speaker 2: Your whole lunch has become easier.

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Speaker 1: All right, So now you're your next assignment is to

610
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Speaker 1: go and eat a strawberry, just a strawberry.

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Speaker 5: Strawberries in my house, but like I don't eat them.

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Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait wait, So you live with strawberries

613
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: and yet you never want No, never once said I

614
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: there were roommates you was living like I thought he

615
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: was Like listen, I've never bought him. We don't have

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00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: him in the house, like in his fridge.

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Speaker 5: Like my sister loves him, Laila loves him. They've been

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00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 5: in my house in my childhood. I just never wanted them.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, that's order to dessert where it

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Speaker 4: comes on it, because they come on a lot of desserts.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. All right, sorry, mind's blown. I'm shook.

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Speaker 2: We gotta take a break. We have one more segment.

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Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta take a break and regroup because

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Speaker 2: I am shook. Right now.

625
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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back talk about guys that we are

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Speaker 1: avoiding the way apparently the Quand's avoiding strawberries.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea stick around for more. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: come back and figure.

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Speaker 1: This out on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. H Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we took the break to try and and get our

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Speaker 1: minds right again after this. Apparently this this ground own,

632
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Speaker 1: earth shaking revelation.

633
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: That Lawan Jones has never had a strawberry. In the meantime,

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Speaker 2: as we finish out the show.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're gonna talk about our guys later in the week,

636
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: the guys that we absolutely have to have in as

637
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: many drafts as we can possibly get them. But for now,

638
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: let's talk about a guy that we just can't seem

639
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: to wrap our heads around drafting. Uh Laquand for you,

640
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: who's somebody you just cannot pull the trigger on unlets,

641
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: you know, unless obviously they fall like crazy far in drafts,

642
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: but just generally speaking, you just can't do it.

643
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Speaker 3: I don't even care if this dude falls to like

644
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: the tenth round, But Zay Flowers is a guy I

645
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: cannot draft confidently in those first four rounds. And like,

646
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: I see a lot of people going out there again

647
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: him and they're really excited about having him. Like I

648
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: do want to say, he's very talented, he's very creative.

649
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: I mean, we see the highlight from him, but when

650
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: we actually look at the groundbreaking thing about it, it's

651
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: like whide receivers that play for the Ravens aren't really

652
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: like the most fantasy relevant guys. I mean, we're looking

653
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: at this offense and what it's going to be built around,

654
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Speaker 3: and it's obviously going to be the run game. Like

655
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: they will have their moments, they will have their spike highs,

656
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: but when it comes to a week to week basis,

657
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: are you really drafting Zay Flowers as your wide receiver too?

658
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: Like after you just came out of those first early rounds,

659
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: it just feels really disgusting with me, you know, thinking

660
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: about a Baltimore Ravens like wide receiver and even looking

661
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: at the whole dynamic of the offense. If you're thinking

662
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: about Rashad Bateman. I mean, we have never seen two

663
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: Ravens wide receivers code exist having more than ten Fantasy

664
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: points per game or fifty receptions in the same season.

665
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: So there tells you that somebody's gonna be the odd

666
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: man out.

667
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: I've gone with you, like, I mean, I'm drafting Mark

668
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: Andrews in plenty of places because we know that he's

669
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: gonna get that target share, like we don't really have

670
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: to worry about that. But yeah, I don't think. I

671
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: don't think I have any Zay Flowers because I guess

672
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't just see the.

673
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: It feels yuckie, Like it feels like the last year

674
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: that Robert Woods was with the Rams, when you knew

675
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: he was on his way out, and like you drafted

676
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: and you're like, you're not that value of had years prior,

677
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like his rookie season. You

678
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: were drafting well until like the ninth tenth round of

679
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: Jay Flowers, and like for him to do what he

680
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: did his rookie season, it's kind of like comforting and

681
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: like promising and thinking it will elevate but then you

682
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: remember he plays for the Baltimore Ravens and this is

683
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: the Lamar Err Yeah.

684
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: And I keep trying to tell us every year like

685
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw the ball more like until it actually happened,

686
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: until I actually see it, Like I just can't, I

687
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: can't really buy into it.

688
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: I've also not really drafted a ton of him. But

689
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: the last week I've been like, am I gonna regret that?

690
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: Because I did.

691
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: See someone point out like year two wide receiver and

692
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: nothing has changed, like same oc, same quarterback, thin wide

693
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: receiver room, all of that. And that's the only thing

694
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: I've seen all summer that has given me some paws.

695
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: On my my Jay Flowers. Yeah.

696
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Speaker 1: I also think it's funny too, because I think it

697
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: was Dave Klugi, who does a lot of stuff at

698
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: football Guys. He's like, I'm at the point of the

699
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: off season now where I'm I'm drafting guys that I

700
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: haven't drafted before.

701
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: Just in case you know, all fade team. That's good.

702
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: Don't bring that.

703
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 4: Into your redraft teams.

704
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, unless you do a

705
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: zillion redraft teams, it's probably not the best way to go.

706
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: H Florida. Who's the guy that you are just staying

707
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: away from this year?

708
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: I toyed with Nick Chubb, but he's he goes so

709
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: late in the draft. So let's get a little bit spicier.

710
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs. For me, I I look at what I

711
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: get the appeal, Like, I understand everyone what people are saying.

712
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 4: He could be the first guy in the La flor

713
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: era to be like the three down back and not

714
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: have split work. The offense is better, all of that.

715
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: I get all of that. But last season he had

716
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 4: the fewest amounts of runs go for ten or more yards.

717
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 4: It was less than four percent. His metrics fell like

718
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: you pick one. It was probably his worst in the NFL.

719
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: And I know people can be like, well, last year

720
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: was a down year, like the Raiders had a bad offense,

721
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Last year was exactly like two years

722
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: ago or three years ago. Now at this point, the

723
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: outlier season for Josh Jacobs is that RB one season

724
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty two. And it's also about like where

725
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: he's going in drafts, Like if I want a running

726
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: back early, I'd rather go around earlier and get like

727
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: Kyen Williams, Derrick Henry, Isaiah Pacheco, Travis Etn or I'd

728
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: rather wait and get like Kenneth Walker, who is someone

729
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: that I've really warmed up to this summer, or James

730
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 4: Connor around like two three rounds later. So it's just

731
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 4: it's partly that I'm worried about him, and partly that

732
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: like his price isn't quite with the elite guys, but

733
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: it's before the values I think at the position, So like,

734
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to pay full price for him. I'd

735
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: rather just wait and get like the other guys that

736
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Speaker 4: I said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've I've been holding onto the idea

738
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: that I think.

739
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lloyd is going to have a much bigger role

740
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: in this offense than I think we anticipate. And yeah,

741
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I just look so far that I know the numbers

742
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: have been out there. A lot of people have talked

743
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: about it that just the packers under Matt Lafleur have

744
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: not leaned on one guy, you know, And I just

745
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: I still think it was weird that they wouldn't. They

746
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay Aaron Jones, but somehow they paid

747
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, who I think I think Aaron Jones gives

748
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: you more all around ability. You know, he catches the

749
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Speaker 1: football more than Josh Jacobs does. I guess Jacobs is

750
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: on the verge of setting a record of like most

751
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: receptions in a career to start a career without catching

752
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: a touchdown, and Jordan Jordan Love has vowed that they're

753
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: going to try and make sure he does not break

754
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: the record, that they want to try to get him

755
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: a receiving touchdown. So yeah, he's got the one hundred

756
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: and ninety seven catches in his career zero touchdowns. Nice,

757
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: So so the Packers have vowed they're going to try

758
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: and get him a score so he does not break

759
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: that record.

760
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: If that means anything to you, I don't know. I

761
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: like him less pity touchdown.

762
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 5: Come on, like just watch Jordan Love handed totally go ahead.

763
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but it's like it's got to be a reception.

764
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be like a little quick like.

765
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Short off, a little little shovel pass right shovel passes,

766
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: Like all right, there you go, you got one. I'm

767
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: staying running back. I'm staying veteran running back, and it's

768
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara for me. I just I can't because my

769
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: my fear with Alvin Kamara is that he's going to

770
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: be just good enough that you can't take him out

771
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: of your lineup, but not good enough that he's really

772
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: going to put up any big weeks for you, Right,

773
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the the overall production and the efficiency has

774
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: dropped significantly from the start of his career. The only

775
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: thing really keeping him afloat is the target share, because

776
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, Derek Carr was a check down champion last

777
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: year and that helped. I mean, I'm sitting here looking

778
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: at his game longs right, he had. He had that

779
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: game that still disgusts me. It makes me queasy just

780
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: to think about it. Fourteen targets, thirteen catches, thirty three

781
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: yards like that. Love that that seems physic impossible, Like

782
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: how was that happening? I mean literally, I I have

783
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: already sort of been radicalized against full point PPR. That

784
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: one took me to the next level, just something like that,

785
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: because here is he got you, right, I mean, he

786
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: got what the other Actually the crazy part of it's

787
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: just the whole thing just makes me so so disgusted.

788
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: He had twenty one points that game. He had a

789
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: grand total of like eighty four yards and no touchdowns.

790
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: But thirteen receptions, you know, So I think that's the

791
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: thing that sort of keeps him afloat and keeps him relevant.

792
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: There are also so many question marks about the Saints offense.

793
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: You know, Chris Olave is the number one target, but

794
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: I know you guys have said on the show, like

795
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: I know, Lakwan, You're like, why are we big on

796
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Chris Olave at this point in this offense? At least

797
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: he gets air yards, he gets downfield targets, Like if

798
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Camara that, what are we doing?

799
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: So I just you know, I can't do it with him.

800
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: I just can't right now.

801
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 4: And on that point with Kamara, one thing I don't

802
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 4: think it's enough talking points is the new OC Clint Kubiak.

803
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: I know, like he was with the forty nine ers

804
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: last year, but McCaffrey played sixteen games and had eighty

805
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: three targets. Every other year of his career where he

806
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 4: played sixteen games, he had at least one hundred and

807
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: eight targets. And the one year that Kubiak was in OC,

808
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: Madison and Cook neither reached fifty targets. So I don't

809
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: think Kamara's gonna be completely taken out of the passing game.

810
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 4: But if he loses a decent chunk of that target share,

811
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: it's gonna be real ugly.

812
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: I think.

813
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just comes down to that, the Saints offense

814
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: is going to be bad.

815
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: To not invest. I think that's sort of where we.

816
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: Go on unless Spencer Rattler becomes a starter at some point,

817
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: I would be very exciting.

818
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: Is that gonna make it better?

819
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: He looked really good, man, I'm telling you now, I

820
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: felt really really excited for him to actually get the

821
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: opportunity to showcase his ability like he looked good in

822
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 3: that game.

823
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I don't know.

824
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: That makes me more excited about the Saints off.

825
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 4: I mean, they do have a potential out in the

826
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: Derek Carr contract.

827
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: But look at Florio. He's ready to dunk.

828
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 4: He is getting I mean the dead cap next year

829
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: is fifty millions, So I would be shocked if if

830
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 4: if Car was healthy and they didn't start him all year.

831
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's not getting pulled in injuries the

832
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: only way he gets out of the lineup, I think

833
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: at this point. So, uh, that was a downerweight in

834
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: the show. I probably should have planned that better. Anyway,

835
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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take We're gonna pause for the day.

836
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with you later on in the week,

837
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Speaker 1: hopefully by then Lakwan will have had a strawberry.

838
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: You have to record.

839
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 4: Yourself if you eat one.

840
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: I feel like now I have to one because we've

841
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: put it out there and like everybody knows, I either

842
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: absolutely love it or hate it.

843
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: Like if you're just like this is solid, that's disappointing, right.

844
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: The only thing that's gonna happen, And I'm sure we're

845
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: gonna get like tweets from other people who are like

846
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: I've also never had a strawberry, Like all the all

847
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: the non strawberriers or something gonna come out of the

848
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: woodwork because that's how Twitter operated. Strawberries assemble right, like

849
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: there are dozens of us, dozens.

850
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be the whole thing like that. Uh. Anyway,

851
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: we'll figure it out and we will update you on

852
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: Lakwan's berry progress or something the next time we get

853
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: together in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast, The Happy, Safe and Healthy, Do Good, Live well,

856
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: eat some produce everybody, and we'll talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: Real soon,