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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,

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Speaker 1: Mitch Horowitz, our special guest, The Seeker's Guide to the

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Speaker 1: Secret Teachings of All Ages. Many Hall talked a little

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Speaker 1: bit about Atlantis too, did he not, Mitch, Yes, he did.

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Speaker 1: He took very seriously the thesis of there being a

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Speaker 1: vast seafaring civilization that disappeared somewhere in our primordial history.

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Speaker 1: And you know, looking back on those chapters in Manley's

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Speaker 1: book induced me to want to revive a thesis that

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Speaker 1: was very heavily talked about in the nineteen nineties, that

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Speaker 1: was pioneered by the independent archeologist egyptologist John Anthony west

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Speaker 1: and the geologist Robert Shock. And Weston Shock discovered water

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Speaker 1: erosion on the oldest exactly great Sphinx at Giza, and

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Speaker 1: this water erosion indicated that the timeline of ancient Egypt

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Speaker 1: would have to be predated to maybe seven thousand, five

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Speaker 1: hundred BC, or maybe is or ten thousand or ten

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Speaker 1: thousand BC exactly. And you know, as I was reading

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Speaker 1: Manly's chapters on the Atlantean thesis, which were written in

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty eight, generations before Shock and West. I thought

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Speaker 1: to myself, you know, our culture has forgotten about the

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Speaker 1: Shock West thesis and it deserves to be taken up again.

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Speaker 1: It was never really studied beyond their research, which which

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Speaker 1: occurred in the nineteen nineties. And you know, exploring the

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Speaker 1: great monuments of Egypt and other nations is very political.

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Speaker 1: It's very hard to get green lid, it's very hard

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Speaker 1: to get funding. These things are not open to study

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Speaker 1: in the ways that we might assume. And I would

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Speaker 1: like to see our generation take up the Shock West

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Speaker 1: thesis again because I think what they found really it

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Speaker 1: matches up with the timeline that that manly haul off

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Speaker 1: offered for the possibility of an Atlantean civilization. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've had both of them on the program over the years,

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Speaker 1: Mitch and their theories are just riveting. Yeah, absolutely, and

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Speaker 1: they've never been responded to by mainstream critics. Critics will

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Speaker 1: always respond to them tangentially and say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: we haven't found corroborating evidence. And it may be true

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Speaker 1: that we haven't found corroborating evidence, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that weston Shock were incorrect about the water erosion. They

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Speaker 1: had found. That question has not been directly addressed, and

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Speaker 1: you know, a generation has gone by and we haven't

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Speaker 1: studied it again, and I want that study to be

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Speaker 1: taken up again. You're right about tarot cards in this book.

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Speaker 1: Tell me why. Yeah, it's very interesting. You know, Manly

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Speaker 1: dedicated a whole chapter to the Tarot deck, and Tarot

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Speaker 1: is just a fascinating subject because you know, in a

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Speaker 1: certain sense, the creation of the Tarot deck itself goes

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Speaker 1: back to the early Renaissance. But the images are perennial images.

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Speaker 1: They're images that speak to the human psyche, the devil,

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Speaker 1: the lovers, the magician, for the king. You know, you

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Speaker 1: could travel to any civilization on Earth, almost from any

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Speaker 1: time period, and those images would be recognizable. There's something

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Speaker 1: that happened to something basic in the human psyche. And

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Speaker 1: my contention is that I think Taro is more than

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Speaker 1: just an allegory or a book of images. But I

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Speaker 1: do think that when people use the cards in a

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Speaker 1: divinatory way, something may be happening. I take seriously the

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Speaker 1: possibility of Taro's divinatory dimensions. The great psychologist Carl Jung

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Speaker 1: worked a lot with the Chinese oracle, the Eaching, which

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Speaker 1: is similar to Taro, and that it's a pictogrammatic device

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Speaker 1: but is sometimes used for divination or psychological insight. It's possible,

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Speaker 1: as Young and some of his students theorized that when

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Speaker 1: we're working with a pictogrammatic device and we lay out

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Speaker 1: a spread of cards, we may be getting a kind

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Speaker 1: of snapshot of everything that's going on at that instant

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Speaker 1: in time, pass present future. If linearity is an illusion,

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Speaker 1: which is something that I argue in the Seekers Guide,

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Speaker 1: then it is possible that a photograph or a picto

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Speaker 1: grammatic device might be capturing a kind of multidimensional image

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Speaker 1: just for that moment in time. That could be why

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Speaker 1: Taro seems so tantalizingly relevant, so sort of possible and

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Speaker 1: suggestive of what the immediate future might hold. It's just

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Speaker 1: a thesis, but it's something that I developed seriously in

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Speaker 1: the book, you know, and I've always wondered about Karol,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the practitioner or the recipient of the tarot cards,

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Speaker 1: who's making these things happen. Yeah, it's interesting, you know.

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Speaker 1: I've had way too many experiences with Taro where I've

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Speaker 1: done readings myself, sometimes for people in other nations, people

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Speaker 1: from whom I'm completely separated. They've asked me a question

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Speaker 1: And so I continue to experiment with Tara. You have

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Speaker 1: a chapter that you talk about mysterious beasts and natural wonders.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Yeah, I have a theory that

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Speaker 1: everything that that that that that we've amassed in terms

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Speaker 1: a vast, vast compendium of testimony to these things, and

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Speaker 1: we have concrete physical evidence, of course, to the point

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Speaker 1: where UFOs are now altogether mainstream. I mean, that's something

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Speaker 1: think we have to start to ask ourselves questions about

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Speaker 1: the physical sources of these things, and it's very possible

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Speaker 1: that the answer lies in the direction of string theory

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Speaker 1: and quantum mechanics. We understand from decades of experiments and

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Speaker 1: quantum mechanics that multiple and infinite outcomes are possible. We

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Speaker 1: only experience one outcome. But if multiple outcomes are possible,

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Speaker 1: then these things have to be playing out in some

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Speaker 1: other dimension of life that we don't witness. And it's

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Speaker 1: possible that these anomalies that sometimes enter into our horizon,

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Speaker 1: into our point of view, could be things that exist

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Speaker 1: in these other serial dimensions that exist in superposition, and

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Speaker 1: we occasionally criss cross with these things, we actualize them,

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Speaker 1: we select them, maybe at moments of extreme sensitivity. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about this more in a talk

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Speaker 1: that I'm giving called Reclaiming the Damned, in which I

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Speaker 1: talk about the possibility that bigfoot, UFOs and all anomalies

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Speaker 1: are these interdimensional phenomena that we experience from time to time.

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Speaker 1: It marries with strength theory, it married with quantum mechanics,

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Speaker 1: and people can find out about that on my social

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Speaker 1: rule that out. That's entirely possible that they're interdimensional. But

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Speaker 1: what social media accounts do you have? I thought you

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Speaker 1: left Facebook. I did leave Facebook, and I've never been happier.

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Speaker 1: I'm active on Twitter at Mitch Harrowitz, on on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Mitch Harrowitz twenty three. I found Facebook was becoming

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Speaker 1: a terrible drag. There's something about the tech on Facebook

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Speaker 1: that seems to encourage friction. There's a kind of false

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Speaker 1: intimacy that gets encouraged on Facebook. And when people are

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Speaker 1: making a comment on Twitter. I know there's plenty of

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Speaker 1: media sites, they're kind of making it to the whole world.

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Speaker 1: really careful with social media that, you know. Really it's

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Speaker 1: part of a kind of anger economy, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean every angry post that generates arguments and rejoinders. Is

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Speaker 1: basically feeding a tech economy that's built in part on anger,

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Speaker 1: and it's something that I really encourage people not to

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Speaker 1: participate in. Social media is a fundamental part of life.

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Speaker 1: I'm on it all the time, but if you go

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Speaker 1: on there and you participate in bickering, you're feeding into

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Speaker 1: a model that basically monetizes conflict. Absolutely. And what is

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Speaker 1: your ten day miracle challenge? Mitch? Oh, This is something

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Speaker 1: I'm doing right now. As a matter of fact, I've

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Speaker 1: been writing about this for a couple of years. It's

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Speaker 1: really simple, but I believe very powerful. Basically, you select

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Speaker 1: really boil it down to a very simple sentence. You

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Speaker 1: draw a grid of ten boxes representing ten days. For

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Speaker 1: each of those ten days, you focus on your goal

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Speaker 1: to bear all efforts on it, outer efforts out in

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Speaker 1: the world working towards your goal, inner efforts like visualizations, prayer, affirmations.

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Speaker 1: And my demand in terms of this exercise is that

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Speaker 1: you carry it out for ten days and watch very

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Speaker 1: very carefully for the arrival of what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: What you're wishing for. Because my contention is we overlook

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Speaker 1: deities appearing to humanity disguised as like wandering strangers. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a great psychological truth in that the things

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Speaker 1: that we're looking for very often reach us, but they

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Speaker 1: reach us in ways that are unfamiliar or unexpected, so

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Speaker 1: we overlook them. The point of the ten day Miracle

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Speaker 1: recent books called The Miracle Habits. You are a booster

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Speaker 1: of astrology, aren't you. Yeah. I believe astrology has relevance

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Speaker 1: retentions of religious ideas, and I think people find relevance

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Speaker 1: think it's relevance can be written off as hucksterism or

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Speaker 1: people just engaging in wishful or so called magical thinking.

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Speaker 1: I think the principles of astrology, although they've undergone a

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Speaker 1: That's something I explore in the Seekers Guide. We've got

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Speaker 1: lots of astrologers mitch as you know, who come on

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Speaker 1: the things are pretty uncanny when they talk about the future. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. My contention is I believe that astrology, your

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Speaker 1: So can most therapy. Frankly, if I was to write

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Speaker 1: basic natal horoscope can give you a sort of thumb

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Speaker 1: print of character. It is amazing. Now, secret societies, which

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Speaker 1: Manly p Hall you know, contended, was what built the

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Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, you know, I take a

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Speaker 1: Did you know Freemasonry really was a very serious influence

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Speaker 1: John Hancock. An outsized number of Washington's generals were Masons.

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Speaker 1: could have different ideas of how that greater force might

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Speaker 1: so called secret societies, including Rosicrucianism, including the historical Illuminati.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of these groups really vouchsafed ideas about

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Speaker 1: The Shakers were a Quaker sect that were fleeing persecution

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia as the so called City of brotherly love, a

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Speaker 1: that was at the basis of the founding of our country.

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Speaker 1: And you know, religious heresy, religious radicalism was as much

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