WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: What's Next For Tank? 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:05.200 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:17.000 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.439 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:31.680 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:37.840 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones as the NFL Coaches Breakfast 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.720 takes place at the Biltmore in Phoenix. It's time for 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.280 breakfast at the Star. Brunched at the Star. That's what 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.040 this is. It's we're starting at eleven am. It's Talking 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.000 Cowboys and there's so much to talk about. Kim Garrison 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:56.080 taking your phone calls. I'm Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.720 Brian brought us and Brian just got in here in 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:00.720 the nick of time for the start of the show. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.600 And Brian, you've already missed a lively discussion between Mickey 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.559 and Rob. It's a shave five minutes ago. We didn't 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.520 start this show. What we got going here? Oh? A 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:15.399 lot of safety talk? Yeah, is the bearded one? Is 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.760 he acting a little a little violence today? This is 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.800 a carryover from upstairs yesterday. Oh yeah, okay, So it's 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.600 my time we bring it to the air. Yeah, and 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.280 we will over the course. That's a great show too today. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.920 Then that's right, Dan. We are now less than a 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.720 month away from the NFL Draft. You're ready for it, Brian, 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.360 you know, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I'm a 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.600 little nervous though. I'm a little nervous because I'm trying 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.880 to figure out if I'm going to have any extra picks. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.840 You know, I might not, I might, I don't know. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.680 We'll see, but yeah, buying them now, you know, I'm 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.200 just trying to see. I'm just trying to see what's 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.360 gonna happen with this, uh, this defensive end. You don't 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.080 want just six picks. Huh. Oh, you're talking to a guy. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.720 Give me as many picks as I can get. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.760 but no, I am ready, Bill, I you know, I 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.760 still think there's some guys though. Again for the draft show, 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.200 we'll talk about the down the line guys. We're kind 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.720 of into that mode right now, looking at six seventh 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.680 round guys, but you never know that's those are guys 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.679 that come in and you get a Xavier Woods or 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.239 you know, Anthony Brown or somebody like that that you 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.280 have a third round grade on. They grabbing the sixth 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.679 round and seven round. Yeah, and there's a lot of guys. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.840 This is a pretty good draft for depth throughout the draft. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.440 It's okay if we talk about the defensive end. Jerry 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.040 said he couldn't talk about it. Yes, and we will 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.200 talk about the defensive end. I was talking about the 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.400 other defensive end, not the defensive end you're gonna have 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.519 to try and trade for. I was talking about the 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:45.840 defensive end you're trying to sign. Yeah, that's what I 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.639 because you're you're well, you alluded to the fact that 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.839 there's a possibility, you know what, they could acquire a pick. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.080 We floated a lot of ideas and it's probably again 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.760 it's but you're just trying trying to cover all your bases. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:03.600 You know, you're trying to cover all your bases here. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.760 And I don't know. I mean, I thought initially you 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.840 probably could grab something pretty high, but this talking to 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.280 guys around the league, there seems there would be a market. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.480 But I don't know if the market is exactly what 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.080 you want it to be. And I think a lot 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.679 of guys are worried because of the shoulder. That's where 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.800 I think that I think they're worried about this player 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.840 the most, well, this player, like we can you can 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.600 talk about Laura, No, no, no, you can talk about Lawrence. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.720 I'm sorry, you can talk about Lurred. But guys, I 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.040 was trying to get a gauge about you know, because 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.680 we we we mean are the draft show floated some 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.840 ideas about, you know, could you get a one in 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.840 a two and so you know there's people they're saying, well, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.720 you probably couldn't get that, but there there does sound 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.160 like a market for him, but not at the one 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.520 in the two. And but I think the biggest thing 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.000 is the concern and Jerry even said this yesterday, was 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.480 the shoulder injury. You know, the surgery. That's a concern. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.640 So I think that's going to limit what you probably 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.400 could get out of this steal. Well, I like the 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:07.240 way Jerry put it, because everybody thinks DeMarcus Lawrence has 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.640 the hammer on the Cowboys because he's got to have 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.280 shoulder surgery, and that if he doesn't get it done 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.160 until the contract gets done, then boy, we better get 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.280 the contract done. And Jerry pointed out, I thought quite 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.880 accurately that a lot of money in these deals goes 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.880 into the first year and you would expect the player 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:33.120 to give you a full first year and if it doesn't, 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.840 if he doesn't because of lack of the surgery, that 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.920 depreciates the amount of money you get in the first year. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.440 So how much of a recovery time is there for 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:47.640 a surgery, like doctor Spagnola, doctor, I would guess three months, 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.600 a couple of months, at least three months, yeah, three 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.160 or four months maybe, But again it you know, he 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.400 wasn't going to do much in the OTAs he never had, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.840 so he would need in order to be ready to 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:02.599 play the opening day the regular season by first of June. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.640 First of June, he would have to have the surgery. Yeah, 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.560 and the July fifteenth deadline on the franchise tag. So yeah, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.440 it's um So if you waited until July fifteenth, he'd 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.320 missed the first six weeks of the season cost himself 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.560 some money. We got Dave Hellman out there in Phoenix 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.720 talking about it, Jerry's quota saying it's in the works. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.040 We're communicating that's what you got until you actually meet 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:25.880 to sign the contract. So I mean, he's pretty tight 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.080 lipped on it. I don't know. I wonder if this 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.400 thing is going to drag all the way to July fifteenth, 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.640 like the Dez thing. And I'm not saying, oh, you 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.839 gotta hurry up, Mick and get it done because he's 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.359 got the hammer, But I mean the Deaz thing did 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.960 not work out from a standpoint of him missing offseason workouts, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.120 not being around. I don't know if he was in 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.080 tip top dead shape when he got in there. And 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.479 I know Lawrence is different because he's gonna be coming 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.800 off a surgery and injury. But I know I would 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.400 like to think the Cowboys want to get this done 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:58.720 quicker than later because the agent, well that's the other 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.440 That's exactly. It takes two sides, no question. I think 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.960 Mickey is onto something there because none of those guys 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.000 have signed yet. No, but I I think Mickey, I 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.320 think you're on the the age and I think there's 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:15.800 some legitimate I think there's some legitimate uh hate there 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.800 that's I use a word, that's a strong word, that 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.159 is a strong word. Well, they're reaching for the moon. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.360 I think there's I just think that there this this 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.280 David Canner is a very difficult guy to deal with, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.160 and you know he's trying to get the best for 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.040 his guy. But I think there's some legitimate hate there 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.560 with this organization. And again this is you know, has 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:41.680 Clowney signed yet? No? Right, when do you think that's 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.600 going to happen? Though? When's Clowney going to sign? Somebody's 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.920 gotta who's gonna do it first, somebody's got to break 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.920 the ice. This guy's not going to do it first. No, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.120 he's not, because he thinks he's got the best guy. Yeah. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.280 And if you think about it, when you see the 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.560 little I'm so tired of seeing the crawler underneath my 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.400 screen ranking the top free agents, and number one is 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.840 the Marcus Lawrence all the time. Yeah, that's why I 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.880 think there's some people that would be interested in trading 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.200 for him if he was if they didn't have to 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.040 deal with the injury, but they would also have to 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.560 deal with the contract, which you know they're comfortable doing that. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.520 They're willing to trade. Let me ask you this, guys, ye, 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.600 is there any chance they resend this tag no and 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.880 just let him become a free agent? Yeah? I don't 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.440 see that. Okay, Well, the only way is if they 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.160 can cover themselves. Okay, That's what I'm saying is the 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.800 is the cover Okay again, hear me out on this 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:37.480 is the covering. Is the covering doing the trade for 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:43.360 Quinn and then trying to sign a cheaper Ziggianza. That's 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.120 what I've well, and you know, the draft again, this 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.120 is something we're just thinking about here. This is not 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.880 I'm not advocate. I'm just saying, if we're going to 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.640 look at all the possibilities if it comes to an impass, 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.240 if it comes to an impass where they absolutely were 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.680 Mickey's guy won't get won't get it done if he 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.000 if the agent won't get it done. Do you look 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.800 at a possibility of saying, okay, if we can't get 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.760 it done, when do you and then take that money, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.200 the potential savings and try and get Dack done, Try 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.200 and get Zeke done, try and get Mary Cooper done. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.760 You think you cover yourself enough by doing that well. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.840 In the draft, By the way, it is pretty deep 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.000 on the D line, right, They're deep on the D line, 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.440 But where you're gonna get at fifty eight, you get 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.760 a better shot of getting a defensive tackle than you 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.800 do a defensive end. And even at twenty seven that 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.400 was going to be a stretch. It's more tackle than 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.959 edge rusher type. Well, yes, in heck, they drafted a 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:43.360 defensive end at thirty three and twenty fifteen and DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.920 and how much did you contribute the first year? I 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.480 mean any defensive end that yelbody got hurt exactly, but 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.800 but still how much did go How much does a 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:58.480 Tacos point Tacos another listening to the show, how much 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.600 does a rookie defense of in contribute this first year? 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.480 You've got a better chance if you were looking for 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.559 someone who's gonna make up for the lack for the 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.200 for the sacks that DeMarcus would give you, it's got 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.199 to be a veteran guy coming in or even the 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.840 second here. Yeah, the last rookie d n they had 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.840 really or pass rusher stand up linebacker was d Weare 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.960 and you know he had some struggles too his first 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.560 year learning that three four defense. So yeah, eight sacks, yeah, 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.400 which is still less than what Lawrence said. Nobody's thinking 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.319 about this, this possibility. I've been begging about it for 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.560 three weeks now. Yeah, about going going that route. If 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.719 if you can't get it done, I have I just 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.439 still have the optimism and maybe I'm maybe I'm a SAP, 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.520 but that they know you should have optimism because it's 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.800 because all I hear is next step, next step, next step? 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.000 You got it, then you need to sign this guy. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:49.360 But did they also tell you they were going to 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.679 sign their players? Did they also tell you that you 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.800 know that hey play another year? Prove it? Prove it 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.600 to me again? Yeah? Hasn't he proven it to you? Yes? Yeah, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.520 But I just I just think you're gonna pa. But 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.640 it's got to be done within reason, right, I mean, 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.720 I've got to figure out it's more than twenty million, 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.320 dam more than mac No, No, no, it's more than 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.840 twenty million. But then we're If you're in twenty million dollars, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.719 then what's twenty one or twenty two? That's what That's 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.080 why I'm asking you that question too. Yeah. I don't 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.240 see that it's gonna be twenty for sure. There's no question. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.280 They've already said they're gonna give you twenty because that's 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.360 what the tag. That's what the tag is. It's gonna 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:30.079 be five years, one hundred million, with seventy five percent guaranteed. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.920 I think if he got seventy Yeah, I'm gonna see 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.040 how quick your math was you that that might be 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.959 more than they're willing to go. I think it maybe 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.320 you mentioned something maybe last show Brian about how he's 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.480 such a respected guy in the locker room. Sure, I 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.800 mean you think that could locker room takes notice of 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.079 stuff like this or do you guys? Absolutely? Guys, coaches 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.360 do too. This is this is a business though, this 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.920 is part of it. Yeah, I mean coaches coaches jobs 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.280 on the line here too. Now think about that. That's 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.160 something you don't think about it too often when you 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.080 got a coaching staff that's on a one year deal, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.120 Which is another reason why if you do reach an 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.160 impass with Lawrence, you have to have something right now 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.920 to take the place of Lawrence out there, and they 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.839 Quinn trade could be that start with. In addition to 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.600 other Yes, I think you have to look at all 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.880 opportunities here, and it's looking at like what if you 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.760 lose or your left tackle. You have to have a backup. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.880 You have to have a Plan B. So I think 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.199 the team as they are negotiating with Lawrence, they have 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.000 to be considering Plan B at the same time. What 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.160 if it doesn't work out? I'll tell you what, though 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.280 I'm not saying this is an all in this is 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.559 it boom or bust year? But we had a male 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.880 bad question about this today. Sure, all these guys on 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.160 one year deals, and this is not unusual for the 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.679 Cowboys in the second wave to sign guys to one 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.559 year deals. But they have a lot of guys in 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.280 twenty twenty up a lot, and I know some of them, 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.480 they these Pro Bowl guys. They want to get resigned, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.760 and probably will get most of them resign long term, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.880 I think. But they've got well, I mean at least 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.400 a couple, right, I mean, there might have to be 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.719 one odd man out. Lord, Yeah, exactly exactly, But I 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.880 mean I just did the math, and they've got over 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.480 thirty guys right now that will be up in twenty twenty, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.040 like thirty four thirty five guys. Your team could look 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:19.640 at hell of a lot different a year from now. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.280 This is roster, I mean, this is this is a 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.480 big shot to go and go win it this year, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.080 you know, and this is your best defensive player. Now, 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.360 I'm with Mickey, it's got to be. The deal's got 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.160 to be within reason. Why have they not got it 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:37.280 done well? Because his rights and if he wants to 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.079 make twenty million dollars on July fifteenth. He needs to 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.319 sign the franchise tag, no matter if he doesn't like 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.800 it or not. They do have the ultimate hammer, by 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.960 the way, I would just like to know and they 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.920 and the shoulder surgery is the X factor on this 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.559 thing as far as when the team's deadline is on 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.959 this if he hadn't had the surgery done by you, 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:07.880 as we say June first, is that where just play 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:12.400 with it again? Yeah, I mean, I guess you could 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.240 play an entire season, right. He aggravated it in the 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.880 Houston game. Said I was like, weekstead of eight sacks, 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.440 he might have fifteen if it's fixed. That's a good point. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:27.000 Brian's a good point. I don't know. I'm not very smart, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:28.439 but I just kind of that kind of popped in 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.079 my head a little bit. Well, Taco got his fixed. Yeah, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.760 good for Ty. Yeah yeah, he's gonna get too now 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:41.199 and Nantoine Woods get the same thing done. So yeah. Well, 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.880 it's very interesting and it's something that in fact that 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.240 the outset of free agency. I brought it up when 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.800 I talked about what the Patriots do with Chandler Jones, 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:54.040 you know, and I think it's intriguing myself. That twenty 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.000 million plus a year, what you can do with that 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.719 for the next five years? Also, I mean, I love 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.560 Martin Lawrence and what he's done the last couple of years, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.079 but if you don't reach a settlement, uh, you know, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.440 a contract agreement with him, then there are some there 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.559 is a good option out there. However, a lot of 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.480 those guys have already been signed. Yeah, So this year, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.559 how much would you give up for Quinn? What what 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.280 next years? Next year's four? Four? Yeah, that's what I was. Yeah, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.920 next year's four because what would you pay half that base? Sellary? 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.800 Oh sure, what's his base and a half? Twelve million? Yeah, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.840 six million dollars. Yeah, and it's going into the last 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.520 years and maybe maybe think about ye in another year 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.920 if you if you could. So when he came here 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.000 where they checking out his back to make sure that 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.400 he was okay, check out you get a full physical, Yeah, 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.520 And it was that more so than if he wants 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.880 to talk about an extension or something like that. I 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.000 think the agent, I think that he would like to 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:57.200 do something like that. But to me, it's Miami gave 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.000 up for him from the rams right for four right, right, right, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.720 I just to me, I, I'm just trying to think 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.400 of ways to if this, what's the worst case scenario? 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.360 Then let's think about this. I think you need both 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:18.880 of them. No. Oh but okay with that the Quinn 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.000 thing doesn't mean you're ruling out Lawrence. I mean, what's 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.600 the worst case, what's the worst Well, what's the worst 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.960 case scenario? Let's think about the worst case scenario? Well 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:32.240 with Lawrence? With Lawrence a Levion Bell situation right that? Yeah, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.200 could it be get fixed and not play? But ten games? 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.800 Could that be another bad situation? If he gets signed 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:42.120 and he well yeah, I mean we are we gonna go. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.040 We can we stomach that? No, I'm just asking our 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.080 team or can we stomach not? I'm not asking them, 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.840 I'm asking art little team. Can we stomach that him? 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.960 Because I'm assuming because okay, let's say he hasn't got 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.280 the surgery done. Yeah, and they get all the way 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.200 to July fifteenth, I think he signs it then, okay, sure, 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.080 and and any seven surgery, and so he's out till 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.840 August fifteenth. At October fifteenth, sure, okay, unless you resent it, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:12.880 but you got to do that before he signs it. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.400 So yeah, I'm trying, Mickey. I appreciate you being honest 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.560 about that, because that's what I was thinking. I was thinking, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.760 if I get to this thing and I can't find 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.680 suitable trade. Now I'm thinking, can I take the hundred 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.960 million dollars that I was going to spend and spend 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.080 it on mont Rob gave me thirty names basically that 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.040 I've got to deal with here within the next year. 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.000 Can I get those guys done? But can I also 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.760 help Mickey with a trade on a four next year 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.880 to get his defensive in And can Ziggy Asa who 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.840 will know in the middle of April about his shoulder, 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.400 But maybe Ziggy ons will on a one year deal 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.480 won't cost me. You know, I'm just trying to hear you. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.360 I hear you. I'm trying to protect myself, But I'm 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.360 also I trust me. I want Mickey's plan. I want 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.840 Quinn and I want Lawrence. I want both. I'd love 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.160 to have both. But if I can't. If I can't, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.200 what's the best next thing for me? If I can't 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.480 get a suitable trade? You know, is it better just 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.920 to take his money and try and do something else? 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:16.000 If if you can't get a trade a suitable trade 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:21.280 in the way trade compensation. But that team, in order 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.280 to get that compensation, that team's going to have to 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.399 agree to a contract with Lawrence, and they're going to 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.199 have to probably give him a physical. And if they 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.040 give him a physical, you're surely not signing him back. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.520 Am I right about that? What do you mean if 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.159 you if you allow a team to visit him on 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.040 a physical, you're basically telling him we we it's done, 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.560 all right? Would you guys be objected if he tries 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.679 to find a team to trade for. I mean if 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.640 if if you let Cantor, if you let Cantor try 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.760 and shopping, would you guys be objected to that? I 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.160 don't think you want another team to give him a physical. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.480 They might find out too much. Then if that's the case, 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.000 then what we need to do is you're talking about 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.800 Oh no, Mickey, you're being smart. No, no, you're being 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.840 Smart's the shoulder? Yeah, yeah, Well you'd have to do 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.760 that though, right No, no, no, I'm saying, but yeah, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.679 you would want to do that all before the draft, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.640 right because you want you want to pick now? Yes, yeah, see, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.240 and that leaves you with a gun to your head 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.760 for don't say that. Please, Okay, I don't like that 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:27.080 thought hammer, thank you, that works, that's better. I hammered here, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.880 please for your fingers. I understood you the first time, 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:37.639 but thank you. And you've only got thirty days now, right, Yeah, this, 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.000 I just want my man back. I want I want 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:42.520 to load up and go win this. No, no, you 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.040 guys do want them. I don't. I mean, it's got 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.800 to be within reasons. That's a hard question, that really is. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.400 But it's got to be north of twenty million dollars. Yeah, 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:56.119 but that's what I I'm not privied all this stuff obvious, 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.080 none of us are. But to me, it's like maybe 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:59.800 they should that we could spend this the right way 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.040 for work. But that's twenty million bucks, right, that makes sense. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.480 That's you know, that's the tag. That's twenty two makes sense? 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:13.119 What's what's mac something? Twenty two makes sense? Sure? Okay, 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.639 yeah two time pro ball give him twenty two. But 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.480 then he didn't get as much guarantee. There we go, Mickey, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.919 take a little sixty and I'll give you more guaranteed 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.520 sixty guarantee. Yeah, see, I think it's more than that. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.200 I think you know, if you offered him sixty guaranteed. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.760 I wonder if that would sounds pretty good to me, 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.000 you know what I'm saying. Maybe they're worried about the guarantee, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:43.520 like because of the injury history. M H. Twenty guaranteed 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:47.920 sounds pretty good to me. One guaranteed. But let me 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:49.720 ask you this, though, do you think do you think 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.560 they're do you think the problem with this maybe okay, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.840 probably some of the agent, but maybe the injury history. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.000 Do you think the injury history bothers him for a 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.840 long term deal here? Well? But I thin on the guarantee, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.000 it probably gives him a little bit of a pause, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.960 could be except he you know, they franchise him last 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.760 year and it's basically said go prove it again and 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.440 he did. Yeah, and so what Brian brought us screaming 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:17.600 at him? So they they don't know maybe this now, 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.040 but now there's a shoulder thing. Those things are pretty common. 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:21.520 You got two guys on the day line that have 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.560 already had the shoulder thing. It's a labor hum. Those 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.000 things happen, um when you're pulling and tugging on guys 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.240 for sixteen games. He has a good player, though, so 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.080 if he has to. So if he has to play 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.760 on the franchise tag, he would have ended up with 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:41.439 a guaranteed two year, thirty thirty seven and thirty eight 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.760 million dollars contract. So that's nineteen a year. See, if 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.920 he plays on that tag, he's gonna play ten games 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.560 for you? Am I right? Wrong? Yeah, because he's gonna 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.520 have the surgery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's gonna play ten 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.280 games and then were and then he's gonna walk. I 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.280 don't like the sound of that. I don't like it. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:01.960 What do you think he would have gotten two million 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.320 dollars a game? What do you think he would have 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.280 gotten if he uh Oklahoma math hit the market? What 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.199 could he have gotten on the open market this year 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:17.959