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Speaker 1: taking your phone calls. I'm Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us and Brian just got in here in
Speaker 1: the nick of time for the start of the show.
Speaker 1: And Brian, you've already missed a lively discussion between Mickey
Speaker 1: and Rob. It's a shave five minutes ago. We didn't
Speaker 1: start this show. What we got going here? Oh? A
Speaker 1: lot of safety talk? Yeah, is the bearded one? Is
Speaker 1: he acting a little a little violence today? This is
Speaker 1: a carryover from upstairs yesterday. Oh yeah, okay, So it's
Speaker 1: my time we bring it to the air. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we will over the course. That's a great show too today.
Speaker 1: Then that's right, Dan. We are now less than a
Speaker 1: month away from the NFL Draft. You're ready for it, Brian,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I'm a
Speaker 1: little nervous though. I'm a little nervous because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out if I'm going to have any extra picks.
Speaker 1: You know, I might not, I might, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see, but yeah, buying them now, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to see. I'm just trying to see what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen with this, uh, this defensive end. You don't
Speaker 1: want just six picks. Huh. Oh, you're talking to a guy.
Speaker 1: Give me as many picks as I can get. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, I am ready, Bill, I you know, I
Speaker 1: still think there's some guys though. Again for the draft show,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the down the line guys. We're kind
Speaker 1: of into that mode right now, looking at six seventh
Speaker 1: round guys, but you never know that's those are guys
Speaker 1: that come in and you get a Xavier Woods or
Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Brown or somebody like that that you
Speaker 1: have a third round grade on. They grabbing the sixth
Speaker 1: round and seven round. Yeah, and there's a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty good draft for depth throughout the draft.
Speaker 1: It's okay if we talk about the defensive end. Jerry
Speaker 1: said he couldn't talk about it. Yes, and we will
Speaker 1: talk about the defensive end. I was talking about the
Speaker 1: other defensive end, not the defensive end you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to try and trade for. I was talking about the
Speaker 1: defensive end you're trying to sign. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: because you're you're well, you alluded to the fact that
Speaker 1: there's a possibility, you know what, they could acquire a pick.
Speaker 1: We floated a lot of ideas and it's probably again
Speaker 1: it's but you're just trying trying to cover all your bases.
Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to cover all your bases here.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, I thought initially you
Speaker 1: probably could grab something pretty high, but this talking to
Speaker 1: guys around the league, there seems there would be a market.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if the market is exactly what
Speaker 1: you want it to be. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of guys are worried because of the shoulder. That's where
Speaker 1: I think that I think they're worried about this player
Speaker 1: the most, well, this player, like we can you can
Speaker 1: talk about Laura, No, no, no, you can talk about Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you can talk about Lurred. But guys, I
Speaker 1: was trying to get a gauge about you know, because
Speaker 1: we we we mean are the draft show floated some
Speaker 1: ideas about, you know, could you get a one in
Speaker 1: a two and so you know there's people they're saying, well,
Speaker 1: you probably couldn't get that, but there there does sound
Speaker 1: like a market for him, but not at the one
Speaker 1: in the two. And but I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: is the concern and Jerry even said this yesterday, was
Speaker 1: the shoulder injury. You know, the surgery. That's a concern.
Speaker 1: So I think that's going to limit what you probably
Speaker 1: could get out of this steal. Well, I like the
Speaker 1: way Jerry put it, because everybody thinks DeMarcus Lawrence has
Speaker 1: the hammer on the Cowboys because he's got to have
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery, and that if he doesn't get it done
Speaker 1: until the contract gets done, then boy, we better get
Speaker 1: the contract done. And Jerry pointed out, I thought quite
Speaker 1: accurately that a lot of money in these deals goes
Speaker 1: into the first year and you would expect the player
Speaker 1: to give you a full first year and if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't because of lack of the surgery, that
Speaker 1: depreciates the amount of money you get in the first year.
Speaker 1: So how much of a recovery time is there for
Speaker 1: a surgery, like doctor Spagnola, doctor, I would guess three months,
Speaker 1: a couple of months, at least three months, yeah, three
Speaker 1: or four months maybe, But again it you know, he
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do much in the OTAs he never had,
Speaker 1: so he would need in order to be ready to
Speaker 1: play the opening day the regular season by first of June.
Speaker 1: First of June, he would have to have the surgery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the July fifteenth deadline on the franchise tag. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's um So if you waited until July fifteenth, he'd
Speaker 1: missed the first six weeks of the season cost himself
Speaker 1: some money. We got Dave Hellman out there in Phoenix
Speaker 1: talking about it, Jerry's quota saying it's in the works.
Speaker 1: We're communicating that's what you got until you actually meet
Speaker 1: to sign the contract. So I mean, he's pretty tight
Speaker 1: lipped on it. I don't know. I wonder if this
Speaker 1: thing is going to drag all the way to July fifteenth,
Speaker 1: like the Dez thing. And I'm not saying, oh, you
Speaker 1: gotta hurry up, Mick and get it done because he's
Speaker 1: got the hammer, But I mean the Deaz thing did
Speaker 1: not work out from a standpoint of him missing offseason workouts,
Speaker 1: not being around. I don't know if he was in
Speaker 1: tip top dead shape when he got in there. And
Speaker 1: I know Lawrence is different because he's gonna be coming
Speaker 1: off a surgery and injury. But I know I would
Speaker 1: like to think the Cowboys want to get this done
Speaker 1: quicker than later because the agent, well that's the other
Speaker 1: That's exactly. It takes two sides, no question. I think
Speaker 1: Mickey is onto something there because none of those guys
Speaker 1: have signed yet. No, but I I think Mickey, I
Speaker 1: think you're on the the age and I think there's
Speaker 1: some legitimate I think there's some legitimate uh hate there
Speaker 1: that's I use a word, that's a strong word, that
Speaker 1: is a strong word. Well, they're reaching for the moon.
Speaker 1: I think there's I just think that there this this
Speaker 1: David Canner is a very difficult guy to deal with,
Speaker 1: and you know he's trying to get the best for
Speaker 1: his guy. But I think there's some legitimate hate there
Speaker 1: with this organization. And again this is you know, has
Speaker 1: Clowney signed yet? No? Right, when do you think that's
Speaker 1: going to happen? Though? When's Clowney going to sign? Somebody's
Speaker 1: gotta who's gonna do it first, somebody's got to break
Speaker 1: the ice. This guy's not going to do it first. No,
Speaker 1: he's not, because he thinks he's got the best guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you think about it, when you see the
Speaker 1: little I'm so tired of seeing the crawler underneath my
Speaker 1: screen ranking the top free agents, and number one is
Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence all the time. Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: think there's some people that would be interested in trading
Speaker 1: for him if he was if they didn't have to
Speaker 1: deal with the injury, but they would also have to
Speaker 1: deal with the contract, which you know they're comfortable doing that.
Speaker 1: They're willing to trade. Let me ask you this, guys, ye,
Speaker 1: is there any chance they resend this tag no and
Speaker 1: just let him become a free agent? Yeah? I don't
Speaker 1: see that. Okay, Well, the only way is if they
Speaker 1: can cover themselves. Okay, That's what I'm saying is the
Speaker 1: is the cover Okay again, hear me out on this
Speaker 1: is the covering. Is the covering doing the trade for
Speaker 1: Quinn and then trying to sign a cheaper Ziggianza. That's
Speaker 1: what I've well, and you know, the draft again, this
Speaker 1: is something we're just thinking about here. This is not
Speaker 1: I'm not advocate. I'm just saying, if we're going to
Speaker 1: look at all the possibilities if it comes to an impass,
Speaker 1: if it comes to an impass where they absolutely were
Speaker 1: Mickey's guy won't get won't get it done if he
Speaker 1: if the agent won't get it done. Do you look
Speaker 1: at a possibility of saying, okay, if we can't get
Speaker 1: it done, when do you and then take that money,
Speaker 1: the potential savings and try and get Dack done, Try
Speaker 1: and get Zeke done, try and get Mary Cooper done.
Speaker 1: You think you cover yourself enough by doing that well.
Speaker 1: In the draft, By the way, it is pretty deep
Speaker 1: on the D line, right, They're deep on the D line,
Speaker 1: But where you're gonna get at fifty eight, you get
Speaker 1: a better shot of getting a defensive tackle than you
Speaker 1: do a defensive end. And even at twenty seven that
Speaker 1: was going to be a stretch. It's more tackle than
Speaker 1: edge rusher type. Well, yes, in heck, they drafted a
Speaker 1: defensive end at thirty three and twenty fifteen and DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how much did you contribute the first year? I
Speaker 1: mean any defensive end that yelbody got hurt exactly, but
Speaker 1: but still how much did go How much does a
Speaker 1: Tacos point Tacos another listening to the show, how much
Speaker 1: does a rookie defense of in contribute this first year?
Speaker 1: You've got a better chance if you were looking for
Speaker 1: someone who's gonna make up for the lack for the
Speaker 1: for the sacks that DeMarcus would give you, it's got
Speaker 1: to be a veteran guy coming in or even the
Speaker 1: second here. Yeah, the last rookie d n they had
Speaker 1: really or pass rusher stand up linebacker was d Weare
Speaker 1: and you know he had some struggles too his first
Speaker 1: year learning that three four defense. So yeah, eight sacks, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is still less than what Lawrence said. Nobody's thinking
Speaker 1: about this, this possibility. I've been begging about it for
Speaker 1: three weeks now. Yeah, about going going that route. If
Speaker 1: if you can't get it done, I have I just
Speaker 1: still have the optimism and maybe I'm maybe I'm a SAP,
Speaker 1: but that they know you should have optimism because it's
Speaker 1: because all I hear is next step, next step, next step?
Speaker 1: You got it, then you need to sign this guy.
Speaker 1: But did they also tell you they were going to
Speaker 1: sign their players? Did they also tell you that you
Speaker 1: know that hey play another year? Prove it? Prove it
Speaker 1: to me again? Yeah? Hasn't he proven it to you? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I just I just think you're gonna pa. But
Speaker 1: it's got to be done within reason, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got to figure out it's more than twenty million,
Speaker 1: dam more than mac No, No, no, it's more than
Speaker 1: twenty million. But then we're If you're in twenty million dollars,
Speaker 1: then what's twenty one or twenty two? That's what That's
Speaker 1: why I'm asking you that question too. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: see that it's gonna be twenty for sure. There's no question.
Speaker 1: They've already said they're gonna give you twenty because that's
Speaker 1: what the tag. That's what the tag is. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be five years, one hundred million, with seventy five percent guaranteed.
Speaker 1: I think if he got seventy Yeah, I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: how quick your math was you that that might be
Speaker 1: more than they're willing to go. I think it maybe
Speaker 1: you mentioned something maybe last show Brian about how he's
Speaker 1: such a respected guy in the locker room. Sure, I
Speaker 1: mean you think that could locker room takes notice of
Speaker 1: stuff like this or do you guys? Absolutely? Guys, coaches
Speaker 1: do too. This is this is a business though, this
Speaker 1: is part of it. Yeah, I mean coaches coaches jobs
Speaker 1: on the line here too. Now think about that. That's
Speaker 1: something you don't think about it too often when you
Speaker 1: got a coaching staff that's on a one year deal,
Speaker 1: Which is another reason why if you do reach an
Speaker 1: impass with Lawrence, you have to have something right now
Speaker 1: to take the place of Lawrence out there, and they
Speaker 1: Quinn trade could be that start with. In addition to
Speaker 1: other Yes, I think you have to look at all
Speaker 1: opportunities here, and it's looking at like what if you
Speaker 1: lose or your left tackle. You have to have a backup.
Speaker 1: You have to have a Plan B. So I think
Speaker 1: the team as they are negotiating with Lawrence, they have
Speaker 1: to be considering Plan B at the same time. What
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out? I'll tell you what, though
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is an all in this is
Speaker 1: it boom or bust year? But we had a male
Speaker 1: bad question about this today. Sure, all these guys on
Speaker 1: one year deals, and this is not unusual for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys in the second wave to sign guys to one
Speaker 1: year deals. But they have a lot of guys in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty up a lot, and I know some of them,
Speaker 1: they these Pro Bowl guys. They want to get resigned,
Speaker 1: and probably will get most of them resign long term,
Speaker 1: I think. But they've got well, I mean at least
Speaker 1: a couple, right, I mean, there might have to be
Speaker 1: one odd man out. Lord, Yeah, exactly exactly, But I
Speaker 1: mean I just did the math, and they've got over
Speaker 1: thirty guys right now that will be up in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: like thirty four thirty five guys. Your team could look
Speaker 1: at hell of a lot different a year from now.
Speaker 1: This is roster, I mean, this is this is a
Speaker 1: big shot to go and go win it this year,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is your best defensive player. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm with Mickey, it's got to be. The deal's got
Speaker 1: to be within reason. Why have they not got it
Speaker 1: done well? Because his rights and if he wants to
Speaker 1: make twenty million dollars on July fifteenth. He needs to
Speaker 1: sign the franchise tag, no matter if he doesn't like
Speaker 1: it or not. They do have the ultimate hammer, by
Speaker 1: the way, I would just like to know and they
Speaker 1: and the shoulder surgery is the X factor on this
Speaker 1: thing as far as when the team's deadline is on
Speaker 1: this if he hadn't had the surgery done by you,
Speaker 1: as we say June first, is that where just play
Speaker 1: with it again? Yeah, I mean, I guess you could
Speaker 1: play an entire season, right. He aggravated it in the
Speaker 1: Houston game. Said I was like, weekstead of eight sacks,
Speaker 1: he might have fifteen if it's fixed. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Brian's a good point. I don't know. I'm not very smart,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of that kind of popped in
Speaker 1: my head a little bit. Well, Taco got his fixed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good for Ty. Yeah yeah, he's gonna get too now
Speaker 1: and Nantoine Woods get the same thing done. So yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting and it's something that in fact that
Speaker 1: the outset of free agency. I brought it up when
Speaker 1: I talked about what the Patriots do with Chandler Jones,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it's intriguing myself. That twenty
Speaker 1: million plus a year, what you can do with that
Speaker 1: for the next five years? Also, I mean, I love
Speaker 1: Martin Lawrence and what he's done the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: but if you don't reach a settlement, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a contract agreement with him, then there are some there
Speaker 1: is a good option out there. However, a lot of
Speaker 1: those guys have already been signed. Yeah, So this year,
Speaker 1: how much would you give up for Quinn? What what
Speaker 1: next years? Next year's four? Four? Yeah, that's what I was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next year's four because what would you pay half that base? Sellary?
Speaker 1: Oh sure, what's his base and a half? Twelve million? Yeah,
Speaker 1: six million dollars. Yeah, and it's going into the last
Speaker 1: years and maybe maybe think about ye in another year
Speaker 1: if you if you could. So when he came here
Speaker 1: where they checking out his back to make sure that
Speaker 1: he was okay, check out you get a full physical, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was that more so than if he wants
Speaker 1: to talk about an extension or something like that. I
Speaker 1: think the agent, I think that he would like to
Speaker 1: do something like that. But to me, it's Miami gave
Speaker 1: up for him from the rams right for four right, right, right,
Speaker 1: I just to me, I, I'm just trying to think
Speaker 1: of ways to if this, what's the worst case scenario?
Speaker 1: Then let's think about this. I think you need both
Speaker 1: of them. No. Oh but okay with that the Quinn
Speaker 1: thing doesn't mean you're ruling out Lawrence. I mean, what's
Speaker 1: the worst case, what's the worst Well, what's the worst
Speaker 1: case scenario? Let's think about the worst case scenario? Well
Speaker 1: with Lawrence? With Lawrence a Levion Bell situation right that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: could it be get fixed and not play? But ten games?
Speaker 1: Could that be another bad situation? If he gets signed
Speaker 1: and he well yeah, I mean we are we gonna go.
Speaker 1: We can we stomach that? No, I'm just asking our
Speaker 1: team or can we stomach not? I'm not asking them,
Speaker 1: I'm asking art little team. Can we stomach that him?
Speaker 1: Because I'm assuming because okay, let's say he hasn't got
Speaker 1: the surgery done. Yeah, and they get all the way
Speaker 1: to July fifteenth, I think he signs it then, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: and and any seven surgery, and so he's out till
Speaker 1: August fifteenth. At October fifteenth, sure, okay, unless you resent it,
Speaker 1: but you got to do that before he signs it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm trying, Mickey. I appreciate you being honest
Speaker 1: about that, because that's what I was thinking. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: if I get to this thing and I can't find
Speaker 1: suitable trade. Now I'm thinking, can I take the hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars that I was going to spend and spend
Speaker 1: it on mont Rob gave me thirty names basically that
Speaker 1: I've got to deal with here within the next year.
Speaker 1: Can I get those guys done? But can I also
Speaker 1: help Mickey with a trade on a four next year
Speaker 1: to get his defensive in And can Ziggy Asa who
Speaker 1: will know in the middle of April about his shoulder,
Speaker 1: But maybe Ziggy ons will on a one year deal
Speaker 1: won't cost me. You know, I'm just trying to hear you.
Speaker 1: I hear you. I'm trying to protect myself, But I'm
Speaker 1: also I trust me. I want Mickey's plan. I want
Speaker 1: Quinn and I want Lawrence. I want both. I'd love
Speaker 1: to have both. But if I can't. If I can't,
Speaker 1: what's the best next thing for me? If I can't
Speaker 1: get a suitable trade? You know, is it better just
Speaker 1: to take his money and try and do something else?
Speaker 1: If if you can't get a trade a suitable trade
Speaker 1: in the way trade compensation. But that team, in order
Speaker 1: to get that compensation, that team's going to have to
Speaker 1: agree to a contract with Lawrence, and they're going to
Speaker 1: have to probably give him a physical. And if they
Speaker 1: give him a physical, you're surely not signing him back.
Speaker 1: Am I right about that? What do you mean if
Speaker 1: you if you allow a team to visit him on
Speaker 1: a physical, you're basically telling him we we it's done,
Speaker 1: all right? Would you guys be objected if he tries
Speaker 1: to find a team to trade for. I mean if
Speaker 1: if if you let Cantor, if you let Cantor try
Speaker 1: and shopping, would you guys be objected to that? I
Speaker 1: don't think you want another team to give him a physical.
Speaker 1: They might find out too much. Then if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then what we need to do is you're talking about
Speaker 1: Oh no, Mickey, you're being smart. No, no, you're being
Speaker 1: Smart's the shoulder? Yeah, yeah, Well you'd have to do
Speaker 1: that though, right No, no, no, I'm saying, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you would want to do that all before the draft,
Speaker 1: right because you want you want to pick now? Yes, yeah, see,
Speaker 1: and that leaves you with a gun to your head
Speaker 1: for don't say that. Please, Okay, I don't like that
Speaker 1: thought hammer, thank you, that works, that's better. I hammered here,
Speaker 1: please for your fingers. I understood you the first time,
Speaker 1: but thank you. And you've only got thirty days now, right, Yeah, this,
Speaker 1: I just want my man back. I want I want
Speaker 1: to load up and go win this. No, no, you
Speaker 1: guys do want them. I don't. I mean, it's got
Speaker 1: to be within reasons. That's a hard question, that really is.
Speaker 1: But it's got to be north of twenty million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what I I'm not privied all this stuff obvious,
Speaker 1: none of us are. But to me, it's like maybe
Speaker 1: they should that we could spend this the right way
Speaker 1: for work. But that's twenty million bucks, right, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's the tag. That's twenty two makes sense?
Speaker 1: What's what's mac something? Twenty two makes sense? Sure? Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah two time pro ball give him twenty two. But
Speaker 1: then he didn't get as much guarantee. There we go, Mickey,
Speaker 1: take a little sixty and I'll give you more guaranteed
Speaker 1: sixty guarantee. Yeah, see, I think it's more than that.
Speaker 1: I think you know, if you offered him sixty guaranteed.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that would sounds pretty good to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Maybe they're worried about the guarantee,
Speaker 1: like because of the injury history. M H. Twenty guaranteed
Speaker 1: sounds pretty good to me. One guaranteed. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, though, do you think do you think
Speaker 1: they're do you think the problem with this maybe okay,
Speaker 1: probably some of the agent, but maybe the injury history.
Speaker 1: Do you think the injury history bothers him for a
Speaker 1: long term deal here? Well? But I thin on the guarantee,
Speaker 1: it probably gives him a little bit of a pause,
Speaker 1: could be except he you know, they franchise him last
Speaker 1: year and it's basically said go prove it again and
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, and so what Brian brought us screaming
Speaker 1: at him? So they they don't know maybe this now,
Speaker 1: but now there's a shoulder thing. Those things are pretty common.
Speaker 1: You got two guys on the day line that have
Speaker 1: already had the shoulder thing. It's a labor hum. Those
Speaker 1: things happen, um when you're pulling and tugging on guys
Speaker 1: for sixteen games. He has a good player, though, so
Speaker 1: if he has to. So if he has to play
Speaker 1: on the franchise tag, he would have ended up with
Speaker 1: a guaranteed two year, thirty thirty seven and thirty eight
Speaker 1: million dollars contract. So that's nineteen a year. See, if
Speaker 1: he plays on that tag, he's gonna play ten games
Speaker 1: for you? Am I right? Wrong? Yeah, because he's gonna
Speaker 1: have the surgery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's gonna play ten
Speaker 1: games and then were and then he's gonna walk. I
Speaker 1: don't like the sound of that. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: What do you think he would have gotten two million
Speaker 1: dollars a game? What do you think he would have
Speaker 1: gotten if he uh Oklahoma math hit the market? What
Speaker 1: could he have gotten on the open market this year
Speaker 1: he's hurt, Well got ninety million. Yes, I still think
Speaker 1: he would have gotten paid right to some extent. See,
Speaker 1: That's why I think my idea about trading was really
Speaker 1: good until it and then I started people start saying,
Speaker 1: now he's hurt, he's hurt, he's hurt. Everybody hurt's hurt,
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean that's and it seems like
Speaker 1: to be the hold up of the Cowboys right now
Speaker 1: that he's hurt, doesn't it. Jerry pointed it out, Um,
Speaker 1: But that's also you know, that's a that's a response
Speaker 1: to the to the narrative that or the notion that
Speaker 1: day've got all the leverage, which you know, right, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it is accurate. You've got the tag.
Speaker 1: I think he said Trey Folowers five years, ninety million,
Speaker 1: fifty six guaranteed forty million, it's signing and he got
Speaker 1: twenty eight point oh seven signing bonus. So that's the
Speaker 1: bottom end of the market right there. Rusher in this league,
Speaker 1: and he had all of twenty one sason three years
Speaker 1: in three years, three years, three years and seven and
Speaker 1: a half last year, which was his career high, and
Speaker 1: the Marcus has had twenty four in the last two years. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: if he wants to go play for Detroit, then he
Speaker 1: should have gone negotiated with them. Brian, you have another
Speaker 1: point to make or no, I'm just sitting there thinking
Speaker 1: about we've talked about worst case best cases. He signs
Speaker 1: early before the draft, but what's the next best case scenario?
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Speaker 1: Stand to Junior says Quinnon Williams, defensive tackle Alabama. I
Speaker 1: heard we love him? Well? Who doesn't love Quinn Quinnon Williams.
Speaker 1: Do we give up our next number one and a
Speaker 1: fourth or a guy who can change our defense right now?
Speaker 1: That would be if you had that pick where you
Speaker 1: were when you picked Ezekiel, that'd be a great spot
Speaker 1: to grab Quinn and Williams. You meant, like the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty number one is that? Yeah, no one's doing What
Speaker 1: if the team in the top five really loves him
Speaker 1: too and wants to have a good player this year
Speaker 1: instead of maybe next. When you have no idea who's
Speaker 1: out there, there's you have to up the anti considerably.
Speaker 1: And since you don't have a number one draft pick
Speaker 1: this year, you ain't getting quinnin Williams all right, and
Speaker 1: Mark Bristow says, sign Ansa Quinn and either Sue or
Speaker 1: McCoy trade Lawrence if you can't sign him soon. You
Speaker 1: know that sounds like a hell of an idea. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're looking to unload McCoy. M's he's and he's
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, of course, Oklahoma City. And I asked him
Speaker 1: I would saw him on the red carpet at the
Speaker 1: NFL Honors And I asked him specifically because that you
Speaker 1: remember that weekend Super Bowl weekend, the reports came out
Speaker 1: that Tampa Bay was looking to unloading new staff, and
Speaker 1: I said, wouldn't you just love to come play for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? And he just smiled and said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to stay politically correct, but he would love to play well.
Speaker 1: When they asked the GM what's his name, Jason Light Light,
Speaker 1: he said, I can't say definitively microphone front of face anyone.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you. He's a great player and ideally
Speaker 1: we would love to have him here. Okay, so ideally,
Speaker 1: okay that we're lying playing out Mark Bristow's tweet. Right here,
Speaker 1: Quinn and McCoy, Mark Bristos yes, McCoy has some financial
Speaker 1: situations there because he's got a thirteen million dollars base salary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, and so and he's still getting three years six.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take this twenty million dollars allotted
Speaker 1: to Lawrence and we're going to allot at to McCoy
Speaker 1: Quinn and ANSA would will twenty million dollars get that done.
Speaker 1: I'm sure ANSA doesn't agree with it. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: think that if you could take, yeah, the money that
Speaker 1: you could, I would start on the quarterback or the
Speaker 1: run or the receiver, you know it, depending on what
Speaker 1: you think about the runner. I mean, but I would
Speaker 1: start on the quarterback, where the or the wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I would. We're hearing now about quarterbacks about
Speaker 1: to get extended. Guy in Philadelphia potentially get extended. Guy
Speaker 1: in Seattle, how about the guy in Atlanta? The wide
Speaker 1: receiver getting extended? When you want to kind of jump
Speaker 1: in there quickly before that one turns into a twenty
Speaker 1: million dollar deal. Maybe, And they're talking, I mean at
Speaker 1: the combine, they had negotiation. I mean they you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's early, but they had talks with the agents
Speaker 1: for every guy, top guy, that's up for an extension here? Sure?
Speaker 1: I mean you know they can multitask. It doesn't have
Speaker 1: to go I don't think it has to go Lawrence
Speaker 1: and then wait on everybody else. So it sounds like
Speaker 1: the Edge Rusher might be a bargain maybe compared to
Speaker 1: maybe dollars they're gonna have to absolutely, guys, absolutely right
Speaker 1: Logan in California, you're on Talking Cowboys. Hello Logan, Hey guys,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Great? Good? Okay, So I have
Speaker 1: a couple of questions and I'll try to make them
Speaker 1: as quick as possible. Thank you. One one, how how
Speaker 1: likely is it or how good of the relationship between
Speaker 1: the Joneses and the Raiders organizations that maybe you could
Speaker 1: trade Lawrence for that fourth pick and get Queen Williams.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question real quick? I kind
Speaker 1: of like Brian's idea trading him to Indy. Would you
Speaker 1: then maybe get yeah? Would you do that? Well? He will?
Speaker 1: He just said he would know if you were the Raider,
Speaker 1: If you were the Raiders, would you do that well?
Speaker 1: I mean they just lost while they traded Kleix. Why
Speaker 1: did they Why did they get rid of Khalio? Mac
Speaker 1: too much money. Welcome to the party, my friend. Okay
Speaker 1: any Napolis, Yeah, go ahead, Okay, Okay, So well if
Speaker 1: you trade him to Indie, then this is all best
Speaker 1: case scenario, by the way, So yeah, Indy's not gonna either.
Speaker 1: Fantasy maybe maybe yeah, in my fantasy. Okay, So if
Speaker 1: you get Quinn and then you could trade Lawrence to Indy.
Speaker 1: We Indy just signed justin Houston. Yeah yeah, Okay, Well
Speaker 1: this isn't working very well. I don't have a great
Speaker 1: tame a friend. We appreciate it, but IM glad you're thinking. Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean I have no problem with people thinking I
Speaker 1: love the outside the box kind of thinking Indy, you know,
Speaker 1: the more I dive into with with their GM and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, he was going to keep those picks.
Speaker 1: I mean, Indie made sense because the defensive coordinator, money
Speaker 1: and multiple picks. But when you talk to people about
Speaker 1: Chris Baller, what he's done at Indy, he's gonna stand
Speaker 1: there and make picks and he it may also made
Speaker 1: sense him signing up how Houston because he's from Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly. But I appreciate the call though,
Speaker 1: But yeah, Oakland, he's a great relationship to Joneses have
Speaker 1: a great relationship with the with the Raiders. But they
Speaker 1: they traded away Mac because they didn't want to pay him,
Speaker 1: so they're probably not gonna want to pay your guy.
Speaker 1: And frankly trade away Mariy Cooper because they didn't want
Speaker 1: to pay him. The Quinn thing, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a fair trade off not having Lawrence and bringing Quinn in.
Speaker 1: He had all of six and a half sacks. That's
Speaker 1: Jeremy Mincy numbers. I would rather have him as a
Speaker 1: possibility than I would anybody else. Yeah, that's fine, but
Speaker 1: you're not helping your team problem. It's not helping me either.
Speaker 1: That my best player won't helps me if I get
Speaker 1: him and Lawrence, because the problem is for me is
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. Now you're missing six sacks on top of
Speaker 1: the Lawrence situation. Quinn would help the Gregory situation. I
Speaker 1: still want my best defensive players signed. I don't want
Speaker 1: to take a step back defensively going into next season.
Speaker 1: If we're all in, try and take the next step.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a deal done. That's that's just me.
Speaker 1: How's it working for you right now? It's well, it's
Speaker 1: not working. You don't have late March tomorrow, it's late March.
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet. We're doing the show once a
Speaker 1: week in July and it's still not done, then I'll
Speaker 1: care with you. I'm with you. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to I'm not trying to get rid. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to say, if this thing turns into July and
Speaker 1: we're doing shows once a week and we're taking that break,
Speaker 1: you know, we take that break in June. Whenever it is,
Speaker 1: that's true, we will be taking a break in June.
Speaker 1: And then and then all of a sudden it gets
Speaker 1: to where we're getting on an airplane and it hasn't
Speaker 1: you know that hasn't happened. I agree, Well, then it's
Speaker 1: too late. Yeah. Okay, let me ask you this, Mickey.
Speaker 1: Because you're not trading them then no, I know when
Speaker 1: you're not getting anything to replace them? Okay, what what
Speaker 1: is your narrative going to be? And I'm asking this
Speaker 1: in a respectful way. I'm not trying to be a jerk.
Speaker 1: What is your because I can do that, you know
Speaker 1: that what is your What is the narrative going to be?
Speaker 1: If this thing does go to July fifteenth? What what
Speaker 1: is it? What are we gonna? What are we gonna
Speaker 1: say then? Did we do? We are we gonna call
Speaker 1: it missed opportunity? Or we're gonna call it, Oh it
Speaker 1: wasn't enough. What are we gonna? How are we gonna?
Speaker 1: How are we gonna spin this for the fans? I'm
Speaker 1: not spinning, but explain it? How are we going to
Speaker 1: explain it? Then? How are we gonna explain it? If
Speaker 1: this thing comes to July fifteenth? But see, here's where
Speaker 1: we're at. A We're we're hamstrung because we don't know
Speaker 1: what the agent's thinking. That's right, that's fair. And he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna talk to us. That's true, right, Our own
Speaker 1: organization won't talk to us sometimes. Yeah, well the agent
Speaker 1: certainly not, because he's gonna look at you as an
Speaker 1: agent for the team. Sure, so until we find out
Speaker 1: what he's asking for, then that'll help with the explanation.
Speaker 1: If he wants twenty five million a year, ain't gonna happen. Sure,
Speaker 1: got other things to worry about, got other guys to sign. Uh,
Speaker 1: So then you just say, okay, go play on the
Speaker 1: franchise tag. But again, we're gonna get surgery when we
Speaker 1: signed the tag, and we're gonna play ten games, right,
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna have anything to show for it
Speaker 1: other than those ten games probably, and we hope, we
Speaker 1: hope it's good enough. Then if you get your dander up,
Speaker 1: you resent it on July fourteenth. That's why I think
Speaker 1: the deadline is more draft time rather than yeah fifteen.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at, Brian. I don't disagree with any
Speaker 1: of you. I'm not trying. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: argumented if you I'm just trying to. I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: I'm going doomsday here. I hear you. I hear you.
Speaker 1: While college hoops is still on, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: panic boat on it yet, but there will be. As
Speaker 1: the Master's teas off, though, I'll be there going. You
Speaker 1: guys arena have to do a Tuesday show without me,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, because it's it's like, why do
Speaker 1: you think Tampa Bay is kind of floating the McCoy
Speaker 1: thing out there? Sure, he's costing thirteen million hours. And
Speaker 1: the last thing I saw what they had left on
Speaker 1: the salary cap top fifty one, top fifty one was
Speaker 1: three point two million. So they can't even fund their draft.
Speaker 1: Oh that right now on periscope, Mickey, you're preaching right
Speaker 1: to him because that's exactly what they're saying on periscope
Speaker 1: about Tampa, and so the fans are and so you
Speaker 1: get into a situation like that, there's only so much
Speaker 1: money you can pay, and we don't know what they're
Speaker 1: asking for. Is he your best player, best player on defense,
Speaker 1: best player overall, best player on defense? I think Zeke
Speaker 1: is your best player and Zach Martin you could put
Speaker 1: them one A, one B, but he ain't far behind.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna have to pay him like our best player,
Speaker 1: am I right? Yeah, you're gonna have to play him
Speaker 1: like one of the best players at his position in
Speaker 1: the whole league. Yeah, which is for what the decision
Speaker 1: he plays, you gotta pay for that. You know, there's
Speaker 1: left end well war Daddy pass Rusher. Okay, so what's
Speaker 1: the discussion in Houston right now? And hen their best
Speaker 1: defensive player. There are people that I think so, I
Speaker 1: think because of the Watt injuries and he hasn't signed. Now,
Speaker 1: see this is I worry about this being I worry
Speaker 1: about this being ten games. I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 1: That's what I and maybe and maybe that's the best
Speaker 1: ten games he can give you. Maybe that's maybe he'll
Speaker 1: come in and give you everything he has, you know,
Speaker 1: but I worry about that. I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: didn't think this was gonna be easy. But I didn't
Speaker 1: think this was gonna be I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: gonna be that's tough. Yeah, I mean, I'm I thought
Speaker 1: by March fifth, it might be done. You know, well,
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones Arizona's best player, defensive player or best player
Speaker 1: probably Patrick Peterson is up there to sacks one year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Patrick Peterson's their best defensive You think the
Speaker 1: Patriots are better off with Chandler Jones or with the
Speaker 1: five veteran players they've signed the last so they've proven
Speaker 1: because they have the coach and the quarterback that they're
Speaker 1: capable of plugging me and winning, right, But are they
Speaker 1: Are they a better team with Chandler Jones or with
Speaker 1: the Okay, let me ask you a question. Players they've signed.
Speaker 1: Perry Mason, this would be called leading the witness. And
Speaker 1: you're leading the witness because I think you want it.
Speaker 1: You want to take that money and do something else like, right,
Speaker 1: but we're five veteran players every year for five years,
Speaker 1: but we're back to comparing everybody to the Patriots the
Speaker 1: pay we're in. No, let's see he's doing. He wants
Speaker 1: he wants to move on. He wants to move on.
Speaker 1: You want to sign, Mickey wants to sign. We all
Speaker 1: want to except Bill. Bill wants to move on. Why
Speaker 1: do you want to move on? Because I think that
Speaker 1: this team will be better equipped to contend for super
Speaker 1: Bowls if they can take that twenty million because of
Speaker 1: what you have also having to pay your quarterback, your
Speaker 1: running back, your wide receiver. You also have a cornerback
Speaker 1: due Yeah. Um, I think over the next five years
Speaker 1: you'll be better equipped to contend with five veteran players
Speaker 1: that you can pick up in that you say every year,
Speaker 1: that's fine? Are you okay with saying then in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen we're not at the same contending status that we
Speaker 1: were in twenty eighteen. Yeah, because that's what you could
Speaker 1: probably have to sell to the fans if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make this a volume thing to try
Speaker 1: to like moneyball style, Well, right now, my committee was,
Speaker 1: I think you can come up with enough in the
Speaker 1: next month, but you've got a month deadline. Yeah, try,
Speaker 1: You've got a month deadline here, or you can come
Speaker 1: up with enough to offset the loss, which is going
Speaker 1: to happen first him signer come up with enough depth.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what has to happen in my mind.
Speaker 1: Which do you think is going to happen first? You know?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like if you feel like he's gonna
Speaker 1: sign then Mickey, do you have a hope he's going
Speaker 1: to sign right now, like in a month? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: have no clue. It's stands it rob at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me at
Speaker 1: all if it dragged into the song I think does Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think he does. But I also
Speaker 1: thought earlier this month that would get done and it
Speaker 1: didn't get done. So now the deadlines make deals. The
Speaker 1: deadline now is July, you know. So where does the
Speaker 1: anxiousness come from in March? In late March? I don't
Speaker 1: know if there is as is there a team out
Speaker 1: there you think that would be willing to give up
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick Lawrence in the next month.
Speaker 1: I would hope, I would hope. A team with a
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, who Yeah, and they would they
Speaker 1: would have to all they would have to agree to
Speaker 1: a contract with Lawrence. You'd have to give cancion, you'd
Speaker 1: have to give cancer permission to negotiate, and you'd probably
Speaker 1: have to give that team the ability to Maybe they say, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll do the contract, we'll do the trade. We'll
Speaker 1: give you a second. Well, we'll give you a first.
Speaker 1: The cow was just saying, but they'll say, but we
Speaker 1: want a physical. Would say, no, okay, if you don't
Speaker 1: give us the physical, then we're gonna give you a
Speaker 1: second without the physical. You do that deal. As I
Speaker 1: can work my Quinn deal and sign another guy, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can have as long as I can spend my
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars because without Gregory right now, you have
Speaker 1: to find two guys who can really get after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that at this point in late March,
Speaker 1: that's not an easy thing to do. But if you
Speaker 1: could trade for Quinn and we've kind of seen Ziggyanza
Speaker 1: Ziggy the last couple of years. Again, that's what's his
Speaker 1: health situation. It's his shoulder. When in like the middle
Speaker 1: of April, we'll know it's he should be. I don't
Speaker 1: know what this defensive ends, but but you know now
Speaker 1: you're throwing Quinn. If you could do it, Quinn ansa. Okay,
Speaker 1: who else with you? You know? If you when you
Speaker 1: say taco, people laugh at you. You got Tyrone who
Speaker 1: can cry out there? Yeah? Exactly do you have enough?
Speaker 1: Do you have enough to to play that way? Not
Speaker 1: as much as they want, not as you know, it's
Speaker 1: not the same. But are you? Are you distraught right now? Rob?
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like the idea of not
Speaker 1: having him next season. I know we talked about it.
Speaker 1: It just it bothers me. I think you've got you've
Speaker 1: got a young defense. Guys would promise in linebacker, back
Speaker 1: in the secondary, but he's the guy that kind of
Speaker 1: sets the tone for you, you know that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: does make me destroy their defense coming out of Oxnar.
Speaker 1: I don't think we were giving that defense a lot
Speaker 1: of credit. And and you asked earlier, did does the
Speaker 1: the injuries that he had earlier in his career and
Speaker 1: in fact the shoulder now but he's played through the shoulder.
Speaker 1: Does that impact the Cowboys as they look at this
Speaker 1: contract and it impacts my thinking on it. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he if he had the shoulder, if he in
Speaker 1: the back, is what concerns me. Yeah, sure, if he
Speaker 1: had played the first five years of his career the
Speaker 1: way DeMarcus where not missing games you know, although and
Speaker 1: where wound up with back issues and sure, but not
Speaker 1: on but not until That's what you get beaten on
Speaker 1: these guys all day. So do you put DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: in the same category as Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Olivier Verden,
Speaker 1: J J. Watt outside channel, the same class with Vernon? Yeah,
Speaker 1: outside line So he got he got paid seventeen average
Speaker 1: of seventeen m h. Von Miller got paid an average
Speaker 1: of nineteen. Yeah, so you have to you have to
Speaker 1: determine is he closer to von Miller or is he
Speaker 1: close to Khalil Mack? And again, both of them play
Speaker 1: as outside linebacker, right right, Yeah, but their hands on
Speaker 1: the ground on probably seventy five sixty percent of the play.
Speaker 1: They are more speed rushers than what Lawrence. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't play the run, right exactly? What was that Daniel
Speaker 1: Hunter deal again? Do you have that one down? Eighty
Speaker 1: six million averaged fourteen point four million, five year, seventy
Speaker 1: two million. That would seem to be on the low end. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was, and I guarantee you the Players Association was
Speaker 1: going nuts when he signed that deal. Yeah it was
Speaker 1: undermarket value. Yeah, clay As Campbell averaging fifteen million channel
Speaker 1: or Jones sixteen and a half. Okay, when we come
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Speaker 1: are into March madness. Not anymore, Not anymore? Got one
Speaker 1: I got one right, yeah, one right. I don't know
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Speaker 1: go to Tim and Buston. You're next up. I'm talking cowboys. Tim. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks taking my quality. Appreciate it. Sure, Um this Democrats.
Speaker 1: You know, part of me wants to keep uh, keep
Speaker 1: him in sign him. The other part of me is thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, he's twenty seven years old and you talking
Speaker 1: about what the Patriots do all the time. It's true,
Speaker 1: they're not married to anybody. They let guys walk in
Speaker 1: this still successful quarterbacks. They're married to Brady. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it. But you know what happens. God to vis
Speaker 1: On Hamptons. You law next year with an injury. Now
Speaker 1: we're back in salary cap hell, we got guys coming
Speaker 1: up next year. It just it scares me to pay
Speaker 1: somebody that kind of money because it seems like we're
Speaker 1: going back to the days where we used to do
Speaker 1: that and then we'd end up in salary cap Hower.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're doing that because they're
Speaker 1: not spending on the first week in March. They're not
Speaker 1: spending on free agent guys. I mean, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: they're they're being cavalier with their money. It cares to
Speaker 1: deal with the comparison to hate the injury. Comparison to
Speaker 1: by the word comparison to New England is they don't have,
Speaker 1: and haven't had over the last couple of years, a
Speaker 1: really good defense, but they had an offense that can
Speaker 1: overcome their defensive deficiencies. So do you think this Cowboy
Speaker 1: team has an offense that can overcome a defensive deficiency
Speaker 1: when a defense last year finished number seven in the league.
Speaker 1: All right, So how far can the Cowboys get with
Speaker 1: their current set up with an offense that can't overcome
Speaker 1: the defenses? Well, turnovers? Can I just take exception to that?
Speaker 1: We just saw one of the best defensive games we've
Speaker 1: ever seen in the history of the Super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but wouldn't say they're deficient defensive. Well maybe the Rams
Speaker 1: were deficient offensively in that game. I don't know. They
Speaker 1: scored thirty against this team. Well, the Cowboy they couldn't.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys offense couldn't overcome their defense in the playoff game,
Speaker 1: they lost, right, so now we want to get rid
Speaker 1: So now you want to get rid of to Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence and you're gonna say, well, that's the way you
Speaker 1: know the Patriots do it. Well, the Patriots have Tom Brady. Well,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have saved a lot of money because they
Speaker 1: have signed their new starting safety to a one year,
Speaker 1: nine hundred thirty thousand dollars contract that will only count
Speaker 1: seven hundred thirty five thousand dollars against the cap ninety
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in bonus money two hundred ten thousand guarantee.
Speaker 1: George Iloca is a Dallas Cowboy. Is he you're starting safety?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, not necessar Sarah. But Toby just
Speaker 1: better than the last safety. That was the narrative I
Speaker 1: saw on social media was that he was the new
Speaker 1: starting safe. Couldn't even he couldn't before the numbers came out.
Speaker 1: He couldn't start in Minnesota. They got a couple of
Speaker 1: safeties that are pretty good there. Yes, Zendejo, they loved
Speaker 1: him so much they didn't resign him. He's got he's
Speaker 1: got concussion problems too, But he's why he only started
Speaker 1: five games. He couldn't replace them, though he started three
Speaker 1: games after Zendoe got hurt, and then some guy named
Speaker 1: Anthony Harris I think took over. They rotated their safeties
Speaker 1: when they've had three good safeties. They've had a little
Speaker 1: three safety rotations. He only played a hundred and sixteen
Speaker 1: snaps in sixteen games. You were just standing on a
Speaker 1: hilltop about George Iloka and saying this idea that, Okay,
Speaker 1: they've taken care of their safeties. Nobody said that I
Speaker 1: would rather them draft a guy I have not said
Speaker 1: add depth. I have not seen the narrative that he's
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson. I'm sorry, I haven't seen it. That's where
Speaker 1: you and I disagree. What did he just say? What?
Speaker 1: What did you say that everybody was saying that he's
Speaker 1: their new starting safety. I said, I said that the
Speaker 1: narrative on social media is that he's replacing Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: as the starting strong safety. When do you pay attention
Speaker 1: to social I don't. He's a lurker. I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to educate him. I don't think this precludes them
Speaker 1: from drafting the safety high You follow the money on
Speaker 1: this stuff, and that money does not say that he's
Speaker 1: the starting safety. He got a ninety thousand dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 1: What does that tell you? He tells you he's on
Speaker 1: this team for right now. He's going to come in
Speaker 1: and compete for snaps. We'll see what happens, right. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say Jeff Heath is strictly a special teamer now, No, right,
Speaker 1: I'll see what happens. In three games he played a
Speaker 1: hundred in three of his hundred and sixteen defensive snaps.
Speaker 1: Three games. Yep, he started six years in. I know.
Speaker 1: So can we turn back to clock a couple of years.
Speaker 1: You think it's a bad Yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 1: great signing. I think it's a depth signing. And he
Speaker 1: can play special teams. That's where he that's what he
Speaker 1: did from Minnesota. Yeah. See, that's but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get a guy here that has got
Speaker 1: some at least he's play lined up and played. I
Speaker 1: don't I think that if you're expecting him to be
Speaker 1: a great cover guy and all those things, he's absolutely not.
Speaker 1: He's a terrible cover guy. He's a really good tackler.
Speaker 1: He's physical, he's got size, if you play him down
Speaker 1: in the box of the linebacker spot, when he gets
Speaker 1: to plays good enough to finish there. So when they
Speaker 1: let's say they don't add a second round pick, it's
Speaker 1: safety or move up and take a safety in the draft.
Speaker 1: With what they have on their roster right now, when
Speaker 1: they go out for OTAs in the first unit goes
Speaker 1: out there, who are the safe two safeties? I think
Speaker 1: it's Heath and Bethan Woods. But you know, when Cabon
Speaker 1: Frasier has played well or when Wilcox they've they've they've
Speaker 1: earned a little package of plays, and maybe this guy
Speaker 1: can do that, you know, maybe he can be part
Speaker 1: of a little rotation to say. I hate to say this,
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting on Cavon Frasier. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: there's a reason why Georgia Looka got signed because they're
Speaker 1: still waiting on Cavon Frasier. I'm saying in past years. No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling the move. I'm just telling you right now,
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier is you can talk about special team. So
Speaker 1: I think they're waiting on Cavon Frasier to kind of
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to be critical of somebody,
Speaker 1: be critical of Cavon Frasier because if he would have
Speaker 1: played with any type of if he would have played
Speaker 1: with any type of promise, you're not signing Georgia Loca.
Speaker 1: You're not even talking maybe you're not even talking about
Speaker 1: drafting the guy. And it gets back to what I
Speaker 1: said earlier about Okay, you've got to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: if the starter goes down at this position, what do
Speaker 1: you have coming on next? Well, Minnesota did that last
Speaker 1: year by and Zimmer was very familiar with Iloca because
Speaker 1: he had him at Cincinnati. Sure, okay, and they knew
Speaker 1: if they if the safeties go down, this guy can
Speaker 1: fill in, plugging in play three games. They did, right,
Speaker 1: And when you look back with Cowboys, when they lost
Speaker 1: the safety, Cavon Frazier had to come in. They needed
Speaker 1: to upgrade at that position, get more depth there at
Speaker 1: the safety and that's what they did, right. Depth, that's right,
Speaker 1: special teams right, and he can compete and you know,
Speaker 1: and he's been a starter in this league. Who knows
Speaker 1: if he I think this game the form of two
Speaker 1: years ago, three years ago. I think this is more
Speaker 1: about Cavon Frasier than it is about Jeff Heath. That's right,
Speaker 1: and that was kind of a narrative out there, is that, Yeah, well, no,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to get rid of Heath, and I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it, But you know me, personally, if Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath could focus just on special teams, the special teams
Speaker 1: unit would be better. Yeah, you know, I mean he
Speaker 1: plays one hundred plays a game on defense and special teams.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking more of the end of the I'm going
Speaker 1: back to twenty seventeen Byron Jones didn't get benched, but
Speaker 1: they gave some snaps to Frasier and and kind of
Speaker 1: work three guys Like that's a possibility if you see
Speaker 1: enough from another safety who can step in and help
Speaker 1: with Jeff Heath there. I think that's a possibility. But yeah, Mick,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not nobody's saying I don't think anybody's
Speaker 1: saying this guy's you know the answer, and it's going
Speaker 1: to end up being a pro bowler. I've read it.
Speaker 1: They found their safess what they do, they cover their
Speaker 1: needs in the second way. I understand. Okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to put perspective on I suggested you go study
Speaker 1: the safeties in this draft. Guy's not going to be
Speaker 1: a walk in st all right, final old minute or
Speaker 1: so here at the league meetings are talking about a
Speaker 1: rule change on side kick side kick? Do you like
Speaker 1: the prospect of a rather than an on side kick?
Speaker 1: A team in the fourth quarter it gets one opportunity
Speaker 1: to run a first and fifteen play from its own fourth,
Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen one play, Yeah, I hate that for
Speaker 1: from your own thirty five yard make it fourth and
Speaker 1: twenty five. These guys convert fifteen yard passes like it's nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: On side kick, yeah, aren't very good. If you get
Speaker 1: me too, if I get you to an onside kick,
Speaker 1: I've I've still got a chance to win this from
Speaker 1: the white yard line, you think twenty five through it
Speaker 1: from the twenty five yard line, a first and twenty five,
Speaker 1: fourth and twenty five, four and twenty five. Yes, if
Speaker 1: you convert a fourth and twenty five, keep playing. I
Speaker 1: kind of love it. It's very xfelish. So that's what
Speaker 1: they're doing in the it's fourth and fifteen at the
Speaker 1: thirty five. Now you're gonna lose be fourth and fifteen
Speaker 1: at the thirty five. Is what they're doing in the
Speaker 1: spring league. Yeah, right, so you would get it to
Speaker 1: you'd have to get to the fifty right, right, and
Speaker 1: if you hit an on side kick and recovered it
Speaker 1: at the forty five, so you Yeah, so it's that's
Speaker 1: what they're thinking. Now, Well, how about how about okay, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the Seattle game real quick in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Okay, what if you? What if you? They
Speaker 1: they got you on the ropes a little bit in
Speaker 1: that game. All of a sudden, you give up a
Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen. Now they keep going, and all they
Speaker 1: needed was a fuel goal to win that game. It
Speaker 1: was a two point game, win't it? Yep? No, fourth
Speaker 1: and fifteen and you're playing miserable defense at the end
Speaker 1: of the game. Yeah, you're beaten down. Yeah, yes, you
Speaker 1: could have back off fifteen yards. That's what I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: you you let somebody, somebody can convert fourth and fifteen
Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, for sure, fourth and twenty five is
Speaker 1: a little bit different ball game there, I think. I
Speaker 1: mean for the average fan, that would add some extra intrigue. Though. No,
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose a lot of games. You're gonna lose games. Well,
Speaker 1: have a good The problem is, but put you with
Speaker 1: the new cut, right, exactly. So what I want to
Speaker 1: win the game. If they're kicking onside kicks to me,
Speaker 1: they're trying to recover those, that's probably I probably won
Speaker 1: that game. This won't pass, right, I don't think it will.
Speaker 1: It might well, see, they just need to worry about
Speaker 1: the replace stuff they had. They had. It happened in
Speaker 1: the A game the other night, right, they had somebody
Speaker 1: convert a fourth and fifteen or fourth and whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That was an overtime. Yeah they got. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: how about Brandon Silver's overtime win for Memphis. How are
Speaker 1: you holding off Johnny Mansel? That's right, starting quarterback, quarterback
Speaker 1: for Mike Singletary's day as everybody was chatty jotty chatty,
Speaker 1: and then he put in Silver's after he got his
Speaker 1: one or two possessions. So you're watching, huh. I was,
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, no March madness for Mickey.
Speaker 1: Now I was flipping then probably was between gay got
Speaker 1: the madness part? Right? Yeah, all right, that doesn't for
Speaker 1: talking cowboys for this week, and we'll talk about DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence signing next week. Here I'm talking cowboys. This has
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