1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, 5 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones as the NFL Coaches Breakfast 6 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: takes place at the Biltmore in Phoenix. It's time for 7 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: breakfast at the Star. Brunched at the Star. That's what 8 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: this is. It's we're starting at eleven am. It's Talking 9 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Cowboys and there's so much to talk about. Kim Garrison 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: taking your phone calls. I'm Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Brian brought us and Brian just got in here in 12 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: the nick of time for the start of the show. 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: And Brian, you've already missed a lively discussion between Mickey 14 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: and Rob. It's a shave five minutes ago. We didn't 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: start this show. What we got going here? Oh? A 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: lot of safety talk? Yeah, is the bearded one? Is 17 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: he acting a little a little violence today? This is 18 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: a carryover from upstairs yesterday. Oh yeah, okay, So it's 19 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: my time we bring it to the air. Yeah, and 20 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: we will over the course. That's a great show too today. 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: Then that's right, Dan. We are now less than a 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: month away from the NFL Draft. You're ready for it, Brian, 23 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I'm a 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: little nervous though. I'm a little nervous because I'm trying 25 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: to figure out if I'm going to have any extra picks. 26 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: You know, I might not, I might, I don't know. 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: We'll see, but yeah, buying them now, you know, I'm 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: just trying to see. I'm just trying to see what's 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: gonna happen with this, uh, this defensive end. You don't 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: want just six picks. Huh. Oh, you're talking to a guy. 31 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: Give me as many picks as I can get. Yeah, yeah, 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: but no, I am ready, Bill, I you know, I 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: still think there's some guys though. Again for the draft show, 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the down the line guys. We're kind 35 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: of into that mode right now, looking at six seventh 36 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: round guys, but you never know that's those are guys 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: that come in and you get a Xavier Woods or 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Brown or somebody like that that you 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: have a third round grade on. They grabbing the sixth 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: round and seven round. Yeah, and there's a lot of guys. 41 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: This is a pretty good draft for depth throughout the draft. 42 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: It's okay if we talk about the defensive end. Jerry 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: said he couldn't talk about it. Yes, and we will 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: talk about the defensive end. I was talking about the 45 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: other defensive end, not the defensive end you're gonna have 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: to try and trade for. I was talking about the 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: defensive end you're trying to sign. Yeah, that's what I 48 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: because you're you're well, you alluded to the fact that 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: there's a possibility, you know what, they could acquire a pick. 50 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: We floated a lot of ideas and it's probably again 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: it's but you're just trying trying to cover all your bases. 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to cover all your bases here. 53 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, I thought initially you 54 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: probably could grab something pretty high, but this talking to 55 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: guys around the league, there seems there would be a market. 56 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: But I don't know if the market is exactly what 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: you want it to be. And I think a lot 58 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: of guys are worried because of the shoulder. That's where 59 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: I think that I think they're worried about this player 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: the most, well, this player, like we can you can 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: talk about Laura, No, no, no, you can talk about Lawrence. 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you can talk about Lurred. But guys, I 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: was trying to get a gauge about you know, because 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: we we we mean are the draft show floated some 65 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: ideas about, you know, could you get a one in 66 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: a two and so you know there's people they're saying, well, 67 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: you probably couldn't get that, but there there does sound 68 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: like a market for him, but not at the one 69 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: in the two. And but I think the biggest thing 70 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: is the concern and Jerry even said this yesterday, was 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: the shoulder injury. You know, the surgery. That's a concern. 72 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: So I think that's going to limit what you probably 73 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: could get out of this steal. Well, I like the 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: way Jerry put it, because everybody thinks DeMarcus Lawrence has 75 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: the hammer on the Cowboys because he's got to have 76 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: shoulder surgery, and that if he doesn't get it done 77 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: until the contract gets done, then boy, we better get 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: the contract done. And Jerry pointed out, I thought quite 79 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: accurately that a lot of money in these deals goes 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: into the first year and you would expect the player 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: to give you a full first year and if it doesn't, 82 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: if he doesn't because of lack of the surgery, that 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: depreciates the amount of money you get in the first year. 84 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: So how much of a recovery time is there for 85 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: a surgery, like doctor Spagnola, doctor, I would guess three months, 86 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: a couple of months, at least three months, yeah, three 87 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: or four months maybe, But again it you know, he 88 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: wasn't going to do much in the OTAs he never had, 89 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: so he would need in order to be ready to 90 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: play the opening day the regular season by first of June. 91 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: First of June, he would have to have the surgery. Yeah, 92 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: and the July fifteenth deadline on the franchise tag. So yeah, 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: it's um So if you waited until July fifteenth, he'd 94 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: missed the first six weeks of the season cost himself 95 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: some money. We got Dave Hellman out there in Phoenix 96 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: talking about it, Jerry's quota saying it's in the works. 97 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: We're communicating that's what you got until you actually meet 98 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: to sign the contract. So I mean, he's pretty tight 99 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: lipped on it. I don't know. I wonder if this 100 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: thing is going to drag all the way to July fifteenth, 101 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: like the Dez thing. And I'm not saying, oh, you 102 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: gotta hurry up, Mick and get it done because he's 103 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: got the hammer, But I mean the Deaz thing did 104 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: not work out from a standpoint of him missing offseason workouts, 105 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: not being around. I don't know if he was in 106 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: tip top dead shape when he got in there. And 107 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: I know Lawrence is different because he's gonna be coming 108 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: off a surgery and injury. But I know I would 109 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: like to think the Cowboys want to get this done 110 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: quicker than later because the agent, well that's the other 111 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: That's exactly. It takes two sides, no question. I think 112 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Mickey is onto something there because none of those guys 113 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: have signed yet. No, but I I think Mickey, I 114 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: think you're on the the age and I think there's 115 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: some legitimate I think there's some legitimate uh hate there 116 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: that's I use a word, that's a strong word, that 117 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: is a strong word. Well, they're reaching for the moon. 118 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: I think there's I just think that there this this 119 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: David Canner is a very difficult guy to deal with, 120 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: and you know he's trying to get the best for 121 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: his guy. But I think there's some legitimate hate there 122 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: with this organization. And again this is you know, has 123 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: Clowney signed yet? No? Right, when do you think that's 124 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: going to happen? Though? When's Clowney going to sign? Somebody's 125 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: gotta who's gonna do it first, somebody's got to break 126 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: the ice. This guy's not going to do it first. No, 127 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: he's not, because he thinks he's got the best guy. Yeah. 128 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: And if you think about it, when you see the 129 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: little I'm so tired of seeing the crawler underneath my 130 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: screen ranking the top free agents, and number one is 131 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence all the time. Yeah, that's why I 132 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: think there's some people that would be interested in trading 133 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: for him if he was if they didn't have to 134 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: deal with the injury, but they would also have to 135 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: deal with the contract, which you know they're comfortable doing that. 136 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: They're willing to trade. Let me ask you this, guys, ye, 137 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: is there any chance they resend this tag no and 138 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: just let him become a free agent? Yeah? I don't 139 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: see that. Okay, Well, the only way is if they 140 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: can cover themselves. Okay, That's what I'm saying is the 141 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: is the cover Okay again, hear me out on this 142 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: is the covering. Is the covering doing the trade for 143 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: Quinn and then trying to sign a cheaper Ziggianza. That's 144 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: what I've well, and you know, the draft again, this 145 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: is something we're just thinking about here. This is not 146 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm not advocate. I'm just saying, if we're going to 147 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: look at all the possibilities if it comes to an impass, 148 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: if it comes to an impass where they absolutely were 149 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Mickey's guy won't get won't get it done if he 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: if the agent won't get it done. Do you look 151 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: at a possibility of saying, okay, if we can't get 152 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: it done, when do you and then take that money, 153 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: the potential savings and try and get Dack done, Try 154 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: and get Zeke done, try and get Mary Cooper done. 155 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: You think you cover yourself enough by doing that well. 156 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: In the draft, By the way, it is pretty deep 157 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: on the D line, right, They're deep on the D line, 158 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: But where you're gonna get at fifty eight, you get 159 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: a better shot of getting a defensive tackle than you 160 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: do a defensive end. And even at twenty seven that 161 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: was going to be a stretch. It's more tackle than 162 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: edge rusher type. Well, yes, in heck, they drafted a 163 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: defensive end at thirty three and twenty fifteen and DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, 164 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: and how much did you contribute the first year? I 165 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: mean any defensive end that yelbody got hurt exactly, but 166 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: but still how much did go How much does a 167 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: Tacos point Tacos another listening to the show, how much 168 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: does a rookie defense of in contribute this first year? 169 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: You've got a better chance if you were looking for 170 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: someone who's gonna make up for the lack for the 171 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: for the sacks that DeMarcus would give you, it's got 172 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: to be a veteran guy coming in or even the 173 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: second here. Yeah, the last rookie d n they had 174 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: really or pass rusher stand up linebacker was d Weare 175 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: and you know he had some struggles too his first 176 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: year learning that three four defense. So yeah, eight sacks, yeah, 177 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: which is still less than what Lawrence said. Nobody's thinking 178 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: about this, this possibility. I've been begging about it for 179 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: three weeks now. Yeah, about going going that route. If 180 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: if you can't get it done, I have I just 181 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: still have the optimism and maybe I'm maybe I'm a SAP, 182 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: but that they know you should have optimism because it's 183 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: because all I hear is next step, next step, next step? 184 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: You got it, then you need to sign this guy. 185 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: But did they also tell you they were going to 186 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: sign their players? Did they also tell you that you 187 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: know that hey play another year? Prove it? Prove it 188 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: to me again? Yeah? Hasn't he proven it to you? Yes? Yeah, 189 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: But I just I just think you're gonna pa. But 190 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: it's got to be done within reason, right, I mean, 191 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: I've got to figure out it's more than twenty million, 192 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: dam more than mac No, No, no, it's more than 193 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: twenty million. But then we're If you're in twenty million dollars, 194 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: then what's twenty one or twenty two? That's what That's 195 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: why I'm asking you that question too. Yeah. I don't 196 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: see that it's gonna be twenty for sure. There's no question. 197 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: They've already said they're gonna give you twenty because that's 198 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: what the tag. That's what the tag is. It's gonna 199 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: be five years, one hundred million, with seventy five percent guaranteed. 200 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: I think if he got seventy Yeah, I'm gonna see 201 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: how quick your math was you that that might be 202 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: more than they're willing to go. I think it maybe 203 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned something maybe last show Brian about how he's 204 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: such a respected guy in the locker room. Sure, I 205 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: mean you think that could locker room takes notice of 206 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: stuff like this or do you guys? Absolutely? Guys, coaches 207 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: do too. This is this is a business though, this 208 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: is part of it. Yeah, I mean coaches coaches jobs 209 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: on the line here too. Now think about that. That's 210 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: something you don't think about it too often when you 211 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: got a coaching staff that's on a one year deal, 212 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: Which is another reason why if you do reach an 213 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: impass with Lawrence, you have to have something right now 214 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: to take the place of Lawrence out there, and they 215 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: Quinn trade could be that start with. In addition to 216 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: other Yes, I think you have to look at all 217 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: opportunities here, and it's looking at like what if you 218 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: lose or your left tackle. You have to have a backup. 219 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: You have to have a Plan B. So I think 220 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: the team as they are negotiating with Lawrence, they have 221 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: to be considering Plan B at the same time. What 222 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out? I'll tell you what, though 223 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is an all in this is 224 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: it boom or bust year? But we had a male 225 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: bad question about this today. Sure, all these guys on 226 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: one year deals, and this is not unusual for the 227 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Cowboys in the second wave to sign guys to one 228 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: year deals. But they have a lot of guys in 229 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty up a lot, and I know some of them, 230 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: they these Pro Bowl guys. They want to get resigned, 231 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: and probably will get most of them resign long term, 232 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: I think. But they've got well, I mean at least 233 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: a couple, right, I mean, there might have to be 234 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: one odd man out. Lord, Yeah, exactly exactly, But I 235 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: mean I just did the math, and they've got over 236 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: thirty guys right now that will be up in twenty twenty, 237 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: like thirty four thirty five guys. Your team could look 238 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: at hell of a lot different a year from now. 239 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: This is roster, I mean, this is this is a 240 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: big shot to go and go win it this year, 241 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, and this is your best defensive player. Now, 242 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm with Mickey, it's got to be. The deal's got 243 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: to be within reason. Why have they not got it 244 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: done well? Because his rights and if he wants to 245 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: make twenty million dollars on July fifteenth. He needs to 246 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: sign the franchise tag, no matter if he doesn't like 247 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: it or not. They do have the ultimate hammer, by 248 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: the way, I would just like to know and they 249 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: and the shoulder surgery is the X factor on this 250 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: thing as far as when the team's deadline is on 251 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: this if he hadn't had the surgery done by you, 252 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: as we say June first, is that where just play 253 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: with it again? Yeah, I mean, I guess you could 254 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: play an entire season, right. He aggravated it in the 255 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: Houston game. Said I was like, weekstead of eight sacks, 256 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: he might have fifteen if it's fixed. That's a good point. 257 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Brian's a good point. I don't know. I'm not very smart, 258 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: but I just kind of that kind of popped in 259 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: my head a little bit. Well, Taco got his fixed. Yeah, 260 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: good for Ty. Yeah yeah, he's gonna get too now 261 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: and Nantoine Woods get the same thing done. So yeah. Well, 262 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: it's very interesting and it's something that in fact that 263 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: the outset of free agency. I brought it up when 264 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: I talked about what the Patriots do with Chandler Jones, 265 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I think it's intriguing myself. That twenty 266 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: million plus a year, what you can do with that 267 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: for the next five years? Also, I mean, I love 268 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: Martin Lawrence and what he's done the last couple of years, 269 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: but if you don't reach a settlement, uh, you know, 270 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: a contract agreement with him, then there are some there 271 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: is a good option out there. However, a lot of 272 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: those guys have already been signed. Yeah, So this year, 273 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: how much would you give up for Quinn? What what 274 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: next years? Next year's four? Four? Yeah, that's what I was. Yeah, 275 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: next year's four because what would you pay half that base? Sellary? 276 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: Oh sure, what's his base and a half? Twelve million? Yeah, 277 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: six million dollars. Yeah, and it's going into the last 278 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: years and maybe maybe think about ye in another year 279 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: if you if you could. So when he came here 280 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: where they checking out his back to make sure that 281 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: he was okay, check out you get a full physical, Yeah, 282 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: And it was that more so than if he wants 283 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: to talk about an extension or something like that. I 284 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: think the agent, I think that he would like to 285 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: do something like that. But to me, it's Miami gave 286 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: up for him from the rams right for four right, right, right, 287 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: I just to me, I, I'm just trying to think 288 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: of ways to if this, what's the worst case scenario? 289 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: Then let's think about this. I think you need both 290 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: of them. No. Oh but okay with that the Quinn 291 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: thing doesn't mean you're ruling out Lawrence. I mean, what's 292 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: the worst case, what's the worst Well, what's the worst 293 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: case scenario? Let's think about the worst case scenario? Well 294 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: with Lawrence? With Lawrence a Levion Bell situation right that? Yeah, 295 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: could it be get fixed and not play? But ten games? 296 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: Could that be another bad situation? If he gets signed 297 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: and he well yeah, I mean we are we gonna go. 298 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: We can we stomach that? No, I'm just asking our 299 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: team or can we stomach not? I'm not asking them, 300 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm asking art little team. Can we stomach that him? 301 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: Because I'm assuming because okay, let's say he hasn't got 302 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: the surgery done. Yeah, and they get all the way 303 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: to July fifteenth, I think he signs it then, okay, sure, 304 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: and and any seven surgery, and so he's out till 305 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: August fifteenth. At October fifteenth, sure, okay, unless you resent it, 306 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: but you got to do that before he signs it. 307 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm trying, Mickey. I appreciate you being honest 308 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: about that, because that's what I was thinking. I was thinking, 309 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: if I get to this thing and I can't find 310 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: suitable trade. Now I'm thinking, can I take the hundred 311 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: million dollars that I was going to spend and spend 312 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: it on mont Rob gave me thirty names basically that 313 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: I've got to deal with here within the next year. 314 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Can I get those guys done? But can I also 315 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: help Mickey with a trade on a four next year 316 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: to get his defensive in And can Ziggy Asa who 317 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: will know in the middle of April about his shoulder, 318 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: But maybe Ziggy ons will on a one year deal 319 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: won't cost me. You know, I'm just trying to hear you. 320 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I hear you. I'm trying to protect myself, But I'm 321 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: also I trust me. I want Mickey's plan. I want 322 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Quinn and I want Lawrence. I want both. I'd love 323 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: to have both. But if I can't. If I can't, 324 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: what's the best next thing for me? If I can't 325 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: get a suitable trade? You know, is it better just 326 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: to take his money and try and do something else? 327 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: If if you can't get a trade a suitable trade 328 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: in the way trade compensation. But that team, in order 329 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: to get that compensation, that team's going to have to 330 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: agree to a contract with Lawrence, and they're going to 331 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: have to probably give him a physical. And if they 332 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: give him a physical, you're surely not signing him back. 333 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: Am I right about that? What do you mean if 334 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: you if you allow a team to visit him on 335 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: a physical, you're basically telling him we we it's done, 336 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: all right? Would you guys be objected if he tries 337 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: to find a team to trade for. I mean if 338 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: if if you let Cantor, if you let Cantor try 339 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: and shopping, would you guys be objected to that? I 340 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: don't think you want another team to give him a physical. 341 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: They might find out too much. Then if that's the case, 342 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: then what we need to do is you're talking about 343 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: Oh no, Mickey, you're being smart. No, no, you're being 344 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: Smart's the shoulder? Yeah, yeah, Well you'd have to do 345 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: that though, right No, no, no, I'm saying, but yeah, 346 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: you would want to do that all before the draft, 347 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: right because you want you want to pick now? Yes, yeah, see, 348 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: and that leaves you with a gun to your head 349 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: for don't say that. Please, Okay, I don't like that 350 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: thought hammer, thank you, that works, that's better. I hammered here, 351 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: please for your fingers. I understood you the first time, 352 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: but thank you. And you've only got thirty days now, right, Yeah, this, 353 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: I just want my man back. I want I want 354 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: to load up and go win this. No, no, you 355 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: guys do want them. I don't. I mean, it's got 356 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: to be within reasons. That's a hard question, that really is. 357 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: But it's got to be north of twenty million dollars. Yeah, 358 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: but that's what I I'm not privied all this stuff obvious, 359 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: none of us are. But to me, it's like maybe 360 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: they should that we could spend this the right way 361 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: for work. But that's twenty million bucks, right, that makes sense. 362 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: That's you know, that's the tag. That's twenty two makes sense? 363 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: What's what's mac something? Twenty two makes sense? Sure? Okay, 364 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: yeah two time pro ball give him twenty two. But 365 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: then he didn't get as much guarantee. There we go, Mickey, 366 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: take a little sixty and I'll give you more guaranteed 367 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: sixty guarantee. Yeah, see, I think it's more than that. 368 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: I think you know, if you offered him sixty guaranteed. 369 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: I wonder if that would sounds pretty good to me, 370 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Maybe they're worried about the guarantee, 371 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: like because of the injury history. M H. Twenty guaranteed 372 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: sounds pretty good to me. One guaranteed. But let me 373 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: ask you this, though, do you think do you think 374 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: they're do you think the problem with this maybe okay, 375 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: probably some of the agent, but maybe the injury history. 376 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: Do you think the injury history bothers him for a 377 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: long term deal here? Well? But I thin on the guarantee, 378 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: it probably gives him a little bit of a pause, 379 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: could be except he you know, they franchise him last 380 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: year and it's basically said go prove it again and 381 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, and so what Brian brought us screaming 382 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: at him? So they they don't know maybe this now, 383 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: but now there's a shoulder thing. Those things are pretty common. 384 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: You got two guys on the day line that have 385 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: already had the shoulder thing. It's a labor hum. Those 386 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: things happen, um when you're pulling and tugging on guys 387 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: for sixteen games. He has a good player, though, so 388 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: if he has to. So if he has to play 389 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: on the franchise tag, he would have ended up with 390 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: a guaranteed two year, thirty thirty seven and thirty eight 391 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: million dollars contract. So that's nineteen a year. See, if 392 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: he plays on that tag, he's gonna play ten games 393 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: for you? Am I right? Wrong? Yeah, because he's gonna 394 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: have the surgery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's gonna play ten 395 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: games and then were and then he's gonna walk. I 396 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: don't like the sound of that. I don't like it. 397 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: What do you think he would have gotten two million 398 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: dollars a game? What do you think he would have 399 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: gotten if he uh Oklahoma math hit the market? What 400 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: could he have gotten on the open market this year 401 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 1: he's hurt, Well got ninety million. Yes, I still think 402 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: he would have gotten paid right to some extent. See, 403 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: That's why I think my idea about trading was really 404 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: good until it and then I started people start saying, 405 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: now he's hurt, he's hurt, he's hurt. Everybody hurt's hurt, 406 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean that's and it seems like 407 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: to be the hold up of the Cowboys right now 408 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: that he's hurt, doesn't it. Jerry pointed it out, Um, 409 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: But that's also you know, that's a that's a response 410 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: to the to the narrative that or the notion that 411 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: day've got all the leverage, which you know, right, I 412 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: don't know if it is accurate. You've got the tag. 413 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: I think he said Trey Folowers five years, ninety million, 414 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: fifty six guaranteed forty million, it's signing and he got 415 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: twenty eight point oh seven signing bonus. So that's the 416 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: bottom end of the market right there. Rusher in this league, 417 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: and he had all of twenty one sason three years 418 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: in three years, three years, three years and seven and 419 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: a half last year, which was his career high, and 420 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: the Marcus has had twenty four in the last two years. Right, Well, 421 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: if he wants to go play for Detroit, then he 422 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: should have gone negotiated with them. Brian, you have another 423 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: point to make or no, I'm just sitting there thinking 424 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: about we've talked about worst case best cases. 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Buy your passes before they sell out 499 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: at Kabu Texas dot com. That's spelled Kaboo Texas dot com. 500 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: Culinary school, culinary culinary. I would love due do that. 501 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm still gonna Are you still gonna go to culinary 502 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: school at some point? Yeah? You're going back to Chicago? 503 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: Do it? Well? They have him here. Why don't you 504 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: go someplace where you can be really good at it? 505 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: You know? I saw one in Fort Lauderdal that was 506 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: across the street. Vegas just got a good during the 507 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: Super Bowl when the Saints one and we went in 508 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: eighth there and they had the students cooking lunch and 509 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: for a flat fee, you got, you know whatever, you 510 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: and Scotty gonna open a restaurant one day, No I go. 511 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: I just wanted to do it for Scotch cook for myself. 512 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: I love it. Where where are we? Bill Well on Twitter? 513 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: Stand to Junior says Quinnon Williams, defensive tackle Alabama. I 514 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: heard we love him? Well? Who doesn't love Quinn Quinnon Williams. 515 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: Do we give up our next number one and a 516 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 1: fourth or a guy who can change our defense right now? 517 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: That would be if you had that pick where you 518 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: were when you picked Ezekiel, that'd be a great spot 519 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: to grab Quinn and Williams. You meant, like the twenty 520 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: twenty number one is that? Yeah, no one's doing What 521 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: if the team in the top five really loves him 522 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: too and wants to have a good player this year 523 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: instead of maybe next. When you have no idea who's 524 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: out there, there's you have to up the anti considerably. 525 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: And since you don't have a number one draft pick 526 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: this year, you ain't getting quinnin Williams all right, and 527 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: Mark Bristow says, sign Ansa Quinn and either Sue or 528 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: McCoy trade Lawrence if you can't sign him soon. You 529 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: know that sounds like a hell of an idea. They're 530 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: they're they're looking to unload McCoy. M's he's and he's 531 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, of course, Oklahoma City. And I asked him 532 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: I would saw him on the red carpet at the 533 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: NFL Honors And I asked him specifically because that you 534 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 1: remember that weekend Super Bowl weekend, the reports came out 535 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: that Tampa Bay was looking to unloading new staff, and 536 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: I said, wouldn't you just love to come play for 537 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys? And he just smiled and said, I'm going 538 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: to stay politically correct, but he would love to play well. 539 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: When they asked the GM what's his name, Jason Light Light, 540 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: he said, I can't say definitively microphone front of face anyone. 541 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. He's a great player and ideally 542 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: we would love to have him here. Okay, so ideally, 543 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: okay that we're lying playing out Mark Bristow's tweet. Right here, 544 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: Quinn and McCoy, Mark Bristos yes, McCoy has some financial 545 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: situations there because he's got a thirteen million dollars base salary. Yeah, 546 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: all right, and so and he's still getting three years six. 547 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take this twenty million dollars allotted 548 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: to Lawrence and we're going to allot at to McCoy 549 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: Quinn and ANSA would will twenty million dollars get that done. 550 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure ANSA doesn't agree with it. Yeah, I would 551 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: think that if you could take, yeah, the money that 552 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: you could, I would start on the quarterback or the 553 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: run or the receiver, you know it, depending on what 554 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: you think about the runner. I mean, but I would 555 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: start on the quarterback, where the or the wide receiver. Yeah, 556 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: I think I would. We're hearing now about quarterbacks about 557 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: to get extended. Guy in Philadelphia potentially get extended. Guy 558 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: in Seattle, how about the guy in Atlanta? The wide 559 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: receiver getting extended? When you want to kind of jump 560 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: in there quickly before that one turns into a twenty 561 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: million dollar deal. Maybe, And they're talking, I mean at 562 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: the combine, they had negotiation. I mean they you know, 563 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: it's it's early, but they had talks with the agents 564 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: for every guy, top guy, that's up for an extension here? Sure? 565 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean you know they can multitask. It doesn't have 566 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: to go I don't think it has to go Lawrence 567 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: and then wait on everybody else. So it sounds like 568 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: the Edge Rusher might be a bargain maybe compared to 569 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: maybe dollars they're gonna have to absolutely, guys, absolutely right 570 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: Logan in California, you're on Talking Cowboys. Hello Logan, Hey guys, 571 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Great? Good? Okay, So I have 572 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: a couple of questions and I'll try to make them 573 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: as quick as possible. Thank you. One one, how how 574 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: likely is it or how good of the relationship between 575 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: the Joneses and the Raiders organizations that maybe you could 576 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: trade Lawrence for that fourth pick and get Queen Williams. 577 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question real quick? I kind 578 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: of like Brian's idea trading him to Indy. Would you 579 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: then maybe get yeah? Would you do that? Well? He will? 580 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: He just said he would know if you were the Raider, 581 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: If you were the Raiders, would you do that well? 582 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean they just lost while they traded Kleix. Why 583 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: did they Why did they get rid of Khalio? Mac 584 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: too much money. Welcome to the party, my friend. Okay 585 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: any Napolis, Yeah, go ahead, Okay, Okay, So well if 586 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: you trade him to Indie, then this is all best 587 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: case scenario, by the way, So yeah, Indy's not gonna either. 588 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: Fantasy maybe maybe yeah, in my fantasy. Okay, So if 589 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: you get Quinn and then you could trade Lawrence to Indy. 590 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: We Indy just signed justin Houston. Yeah yeah, Okay, Well 591 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: this isn't working very well. I don't have a great 592 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: tame a friend. We appreciate it, but IM glad you're thinking. Yeah, no, absolutely. 593 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean I have no problem with people thinking I 594 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: love the outside the box kind of thinking Indy, you know, 595 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: the more I dive into with with their GM and 596 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: stuff like that, he was going to keep those picks. 597 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Indie made sense because the defensive coordinator, money 598 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: and multiple picks. But when you talk to people about 599 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: Chris Baller, what he's done at Indy, he's gonna stand 600 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: there and make picks and he it may also made 601 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: sense him signing up how Houston because he's from Kansas City. 602 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly. But I appreciate the call though, 603 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, Oakland, he's a great relationship to Joneses have 604 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 1: a great relationship with the with the Raiders. But they 605 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: they traded away Mac because they didn't want to pay him, 606 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: so they're probably not gonna want to pay your guy. 607 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: And frankly trade away Mariy Cooper because they didn't want 608 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: to pay him. The Quinn thing, I don't think it's 609 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: a fair trade off not having Lawrence and bringing Quinn in. 610 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: He had all of six and a half sacks. That's 611 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: Jeremy Mincy numbers. I would rather have him as a 612 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: possibility than I would anybody else. Yeah, that's fine, but 613 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: you're not helping your team problem. It's not helping me either. 614 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: That my best player won't helps me if I get 615 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: him and Lawrence, because the problem is for me is 616 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. Now you're missing six sacks on top of 617 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: the Lawrence situation. Quinn would help the Gregory situation. I 618 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: still want my best defensive players signed. I don't want 619 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: to take a step back defensively going into next season. 620 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: If we're all in, try and take the next step. 621 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a deal done. That's that's just me. 622 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: How's it working for you right now? It's well, it's 623 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: not working. You don't have late March tomorrow, it's late March. 624 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm not there yet. We're doing the show once a 625 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: week in July and it's still not done, then I'll 626 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: care with you. I'm with you. I'm not I'm not 627 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: trying to I'm not trying to get rid. I'm just 628 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: trying to say, if this thing turns into July and 629 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: we're doing shows once a week and we're taking that break, 630 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, we take that break in June. Whenever it is, 631 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: that's true, we will be taking a break in June. 632 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: And then and then all of a sudden it gets 633 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: to where we're getting on an airplane and it hasn't 634 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: you know that hasn't happened. I agree, Well, then it's 635 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: too late. Yeah. Okay, let me ask you this, Mickey. 636 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: Because you're not trading them then no, I know when 637 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: you're not getting anything to replace them? Okay, what what 638 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: is your narrative going to be? And I'm asking this 639 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: in a respectful way. I'm not trying to be a jerk. 640 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: What is your because I can do that, you know 641 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: that what is your What is the narrative going to be? 642 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: If this thing does go to July fifteenth? What what 643 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: is it? What are we gonna? What are we gonna 644 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: say then? Did we do? We are we gonna call 645 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: it missed opportunity? Or we're gonna call it, Oh it 646 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: wasn't enough. What are we gonna? How are we gonna? 647 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: How are we gonna spin this for the fans? I'm 648 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: not spinning, but explain it? How are we going to 649 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: explain it? Then? How are we gonna explain it? If 650 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: this thing comes to July fifteenth? But see, here's where 651 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: we're at. A We're we're hamstrung because we don't know 652 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: what the agent's thinking. That's right, that's fair. And he 653 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: ain't gonna talk to us. That's true, right, Our own 654 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: organization won't talk to us sometimes. Yeah, well the agent 655 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: certainly not, because he's gonna look at you as an 656 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: agent for the team. Sure, so until we find out 657 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: what he's asking for, then that'll help with the explanation. 658 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: If he wants twenty five million a year, ain't gonna happen. Sure, 659 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: got other things to worry about, got other guys to sign. Uh, 660 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: So then you just say, okay, go play on the 661 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: franchise tag. But again, we're gonna get surgery when we 662 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: signed the tag, and we're gonna play ten games, right, 663 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: and we're not gonna have anything to show for it 664 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: other than those ten games probably, and we hope, we 665 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: hope it's good enough. Then if you get your dander up, 666 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: you resent it on July fourteenth. That's why I think 667 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: the deadline is more draft time rather than yeah fifteen. 668 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: That's where I'm at, Brian. I don't disagree with any 669 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: of you. I'm not trying. I'm not trying to be 670 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: argumented if you I'm just trying to. I'm trying to. 671 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm going doomsday here. I hear you. I hear you. 672 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: While college hoops is still on, I'm not. I'm not 673 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: panic boat on it yet, but there will be. As 674 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: the Master's teas off, though, I'll be there going. You 675 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: guys arena have to do a Tuesday show without me, 676 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: all right, you know, because it's it's like, why do 677 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: you think Tampa Bay is kind of floating the McCoy 678 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: thing out there? Sure, he's costing thirteen million hours. And 679 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: the last thing I saw what they had left on 680 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: the salary cap top fifty one, top fifty one was 681 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: three point two million. So they can't even fund their draft. 682 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: Oh that right now on periscope, Mickey, you're preaching right 683 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: to him because that's exactly what they're saying on periscope 684 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: about Tampa, and so the fans are and so you 685 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: get into a situation like that, there's only so much 686 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: money you can pay, and we don't know what they're 687 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: asking for. Is he your best player, best player on defense, 688 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: best player overall, best player on defense? I think Zeke 689 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: is your best player and Zach Martin you could put 690 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: them one A, one B, but he ain't far behind. 691 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: But we're gonna have to pay him like our best player, 692 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: am I right? Yeah, you're gonna have to play him 693 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: like one of the best players at his position in 694 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: the whole league. Yeah, which is for what the decision 695 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,919 Speaker 1: he plays, you gotta pay for that. You know, there's 696 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: left end well war Daddy pass Rusher. Okay, so what's 697 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: the discussion in Houston right now? And hen their best 698 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: defensive player. There are people that I think so, I 699 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: think because of the Watt injuries and he hasn't signed. Now, 700 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: see this is I worry about this being I worry 701 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: about this being ten games. I hear you, I hear you. 702 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: That's what I and maybe and maybe that's the best 703 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: ten games he can give you. Maybe that's maybe he'll 704 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: come in and give you everything he has, you know, 705 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: but I worry about that. I'm not gonna lie. I 706 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: didn't think this was gonna be easy. But I didn't 707 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: think this was gonna be I didn't think it was 708 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: gonna be that's tough. Yeah, I mean, I'm I thought 709 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: by March fifth, it might be done. You know, well, 710 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones Arizona's best player, defensive player or best player 711 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: probably Patrick Peterson is up there to sacks one year. Yeah, 712 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: I think Patrick Peterson's their best defensive You think the 713 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: Patriots are better off with Chandler Jones or with the 714 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: five veteran players they've signed the last so they've proven 715 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: because they have the coach and the quarterback that they're 716 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: capable of plugging me and winning, right, But are they 717 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: Are they a better team with Chandler Jones or with 718 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: the Okay, let me ask you a question. Players they've signed. 719 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: Perry Mason, this would be called leading the witness. And 720 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: you're leading the witness because I think you want it. 721 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: You want to take that money and do something else like, right, 722 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: but we're five veteran players every year for five years, 723 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: but we're back to comparing everybody to the Patriots the 724 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: pay we're in. No, let's see he's doing. He wants 725 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: he wants to move on. He wants to move on. 726 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: You want to sign, Mickey wants to sign. We all 727 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: want to except Bill. Bill wants to move on. Why 728 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: do you want to move on? Because I think that 729 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: this team will be better equipped to contend for super 730 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: Bowls if they can take that twenty million because of 731 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: what you have also having to pay your quarterback, your 732 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: running back, your wide receiver. You also have a cornerback 733 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: due Yeah. Um, I think over the next five years 734 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 1: you'll be better equipped to contend with five veteran players 735 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: that you can pick up in that you say every year, 736 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: that's fine? Are you okay with saying then in twenty 737 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: nineteen we're not at the same contending status that we 738 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: were in twenty eighteen. Yeah, because that's what you could 739 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: probably have to sell to the fans if you're gonna 740 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: if you're gonna make this a volume thing to try 741 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: to like moneyball style, Well, right now, my committee was, 742 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 1: I think you can come up with enough in the 743 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: next month, but you've got a month deadline. Yeah, try, 744 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: You've got a month deadline here, or you can come 745 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: up with enough to offset the loss, which is going 746 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 1: to happen first him signer come up with enough depth. 747 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what has to happen in my mind. 748 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: Which do you think is going to happen first? You know? 749 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: Do you feel like if you feel like he's gonna 750 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: sign then Mickey, do you have a hope he's going 751 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: to sign right now, like in a month? Yeah? I 752 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 1: have no clue. It's stands it rob at this point. Yeah, 753 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me at 754 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: all if it dragged into the song I think does Yeah, 755 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean I don't think he does. But I also 756 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: thought earlier this month that would get done and it 757 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: didn't get done. So now the deadlines make deals. The 758 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: deadline now is July, you know. So where does the 759 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: anxiousness come from in March? In late March? I don't 760 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: know if there is as is there a team out 761 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: there you think that would be willing to give up 762 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: a first round draft pick Lawrence in the next month. 763 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: I would hope, I would hope. A team with a 764 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: first round draft pick, who Yeah, and they would they 765 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: would have to all they would have to agree to 766 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: a contract with Lawrence. You'd have to give cancion, you'd 767 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: have to give cancer permission to negotiate, and you'd probably 768 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: have to give that team the ability to Maybe they say, okay, 769 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: we'll we'll do the contract, we'll do the trade. We'll 770 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,919 Speaker 1: give you a second. Well, we'll give you a first. 771 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: The cow was just saying, but they'll say, but we 772 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 1: want a physical. Would say, no, okay, if you don't 773 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: give us the physical, then we're gonna give you a 774 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: second without the physical. You do that deal. As I 775 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: can work my Quinn deal and sign another guy, yeah, yeah, 776 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: I can have as long as I can spend my 777 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars because without Gregory right now, you have 778 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: to find two guys who can really get after the quarterback. 779 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and that at this point in late March, 780 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: that's not an easy thing to do. But if you 781 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: could trade for Quinn and we've kind of seen Ziggyanza 782 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: Ziggy the last couple of years. Again, that's what's his 783 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: health situation. It's his shoulder. When in like the middle 784 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 1: of April, we'll know it's he should be. I don't 785 00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: know what this defensive ends, but but you know now 786 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: you're throwing Quinn. If you could do it, Quinn ansa. Okay, 787 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: who else with you? You know? If you when you 788 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: say taco, people laugh at you. You got Tyrone who 789 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: can cry out there? Yeah? Exactly do you have enough? 790 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: Do you have enough to to play that way? Not 791 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: as much as they want, not as you know, it's 792 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: not the same. But are you? Are you distraught right now? Rob? 793 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like the idea of not 794 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: having him next season. I know we talked about it. 795 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 1: It just it bothers me. I think you've got you've 796 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: got a young defense. Guys would promise in linebacker, back 797 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 1: in the secondary, but he's the guy that kind of 798 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: sets the tone for you, you know that. Yeah, that 799 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,760 Speaker 1: does make me destroy their defense coming out of Oxnar. 800 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't think we were giving that defense a lot 801 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: of credit. And and you asked earlier, did does the 802 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: the injuries that he had earlier in his career and 803 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: in fact the shoulder now but he's played through the shoulder. 804 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: Does that impact the Cowboys as they look at this 805 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: contract and it impacts my thinking on it. I mean, 806 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: if he if he had the shoulder, if he in 807 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: the back, is what concerns me. Yeah, sure, if he 808 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: had played the first five years of his career the 809 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: way DeMarcus where not missing games you know, although and 810 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: where wound up with back issues and sure, but not 811 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: on but not until That's what you get beaten on 812 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: these guys all day. So do you put DeMarcus Lawrence 813 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: in the same category as Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Olivier Verden, 814 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: J J. Watt outside channel, the same class with Vernon? Yeah, 815 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: outside line So he got he got paid seventeen average 816 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: of seventeen m h. Von Miller got paid an average 817 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: of nineteen. Yeah, so you have to you have to 818 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: determine is he closer to von Miller or is he 819 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: close to Khalil Mack? And again, both of them play 820 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: as outside linebacker, right right, Yeah, but their hands on 821 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: the ground on probably seventy five sixty percent of the play. 822 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: They are more speed rushers than what Lawrence. Yeah, they 823 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: don't play the run, right exactly? What was that Daniel 824 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: Hunter deal again? Do you have that one down? Eighty 825 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: six million averaged fourteen point four million, five year, seventy 826 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: two million. That would seem to be on the low end. 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Yeah, Beard stay up for sure? 904 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,360 Speaker 1: That stuff great. But nobody's going for the anti purseprint 905 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. What was that was the boss? Right? Boss? 906 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: What a great game? That's awesome? Yeah that is? Is 907 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: it really pitt Boss? We're just making that up mess 908 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 1: anti persprint and deodorant. All right, we're back. Okay, let's 909 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: go to Tim and Buston. You're next up. I'm talking cowboys. Tim. Hey, guys, 910 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: thanks taking my quality. Appreciate it. Sure, Um this Democrats. 911 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: You know, part of me wants to keep uh, keep 912 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: him in sign him. The other part of me is thinking, 913 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: you know, he's twenty seven years old and you talking 914 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: about what the Patriots do all the time. It's true, 915 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: they're not married to anybody. They let guys walk in 916 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: this still successful quarterbacks. They're married to Brady. Yeah, I 917 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: get it. But you know what happens. God to vis 918 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,600 Speaker 1: On Hamptons. You law next year with an injury. Now 919 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: we're back in salary cap hell, we got guys coming 920 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: up next year. It just it scares me to pay 921 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 1: somebody that kind of money because it seems like we're 922 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: going back to the days where we used to do 923 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,839 Speaker 1: that and then we'd end up in salary cap Hower. 924 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're doing that because they're 925 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 1: not spending on the first week in March. They're not 926 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,359 Speaker 1: spending on free agent guys. I mean, I wouldn't say 927 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: they're they're being cavalier with their money. It cares to 928 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: deal with the comparison to hate the injury. Comparison to 929 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,800 Speaker 1: by the word comparison to New England is they don't have, 930 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: and haven't had over the last couple of years, a 931 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 1: really good defense, but they had an offense that can 932 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,360 Speaker 1: overcome their defensive deficiencies. So do you think this Cowboy 933 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,319 Speaker 1: team has an offense that can overcome a defensive deficiency 934 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 1: when a defense last year finished number seven in the league. 935 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 1: All right, So how far can the Cowboys get with 936 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: their current set up with an offense that can't overcome 937 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 1: the defenses? Well, turnovers? Can I just take exception to that? 938 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 1: We just saw one of the best defensive games we've 939 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: ever seen in the history of the Super Bowl. Yeah, 940 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 1: but wouldn't say they're deficient defensive. Well maybe the Rams 941 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 1: were deficient offensively in that game. I don't know. They 942 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,960 Speaker 1: scored thirty against this team. Well, the Cowboy they couldn't. 943 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,399 Speaker 1: The Cowboys offense couldn't overcome their defense in the playoff game, 944 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,799 Speaker 1: they lost, right, so now we want to get rid 945 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,680 Speaker 1: So now you want to get rid of to Marcus 946 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 1: Lawrence and you're gonna say, well, that's the way you 947 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: know the Patriots do it. Well, the Patriots have Tom Brady. Well, 948 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have saved a lot of money because they 949 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 1: have signed their new starting safety to a one year, 950 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,080 Speaker 1: nine hundred thirty thousand dollars contract that will only count 951 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: seven hundred thirty five thousand dollars against the cap ninety 952 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in bonus money two hundred ten thousand guarantee. 953 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: George Iloca is a Dallas Cowboy. Is he you're starting safety? 954 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't think so, not necessar Sarah. But Toby just 955 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: better than the last safety. That was the narrative I 956 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 1: saw on social media was that he was the new 957 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,400 Speaker 1: starting safe. Couldn't even he couldn't before the numbers came out. 958 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: He couldn't start in Minnesota. They got a couple of 959 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: safeties that are pretty good there. Yes, Zendejo, they loved 960 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 1: him so much they didn't resign him. He's got he's 961 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,880 Speaker 1: got concussion problems too, But he's why he only started 962 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: five games. He couldn't replace them, though he started three 963 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: games after Zendoe got hurt, and then some guy named 964 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,840 Speaker 1: Anthony Harris I think took over. They rotated their safeties 965 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 1: when they've had three good safeties. They've had a little 966 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,040 Speaker 1: three safety rotations. He only played a hundred and sixteen 967 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: snaps in sixteen games. You were just standing on a 968 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,600 Speaker 1: hilltop about George Iloka and saying this idea that, Okay, 969 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,160 Speaker 1: they've taken care of their safeties. Nobody said that I 970 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: would rather them draft a guy I have not said 971 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,719 Speaker 1: add depth. I have not seen the narrative that he's 972 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: Darren Woodson. I'm sorry, I haven't seen it. That's where 973 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: you and I disagree. What did he just say? What? 974 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: What did you say that everybody was saying that he's 975 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,840 Speaker 1: their new starting safety. I said, I said that the 976 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: narrative on social media is that he's replacing Jeff Heath 977 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,280 Speaker 1: as the starting strong safety. When do you pay attention 978 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 1: to social I don't. He's a lurker. I'm trying. I'm 979 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: trying to educate him. I don't think this precludes them 980 00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 1: from drafting the safety high You follow the money on 981 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: this stuff, and that money does not say that he's 982 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: the starting safety. He got a ninety thousand dollars signing bonus. 983 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: What does that tell you? He tells you he's on 984 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 1: this team for right now. He's going to come in 985 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,759 Speaker 1: and compete for snaps. We'll see what happens, right. I 986 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't say Jeff Heath is strictly a special teamer now, No, right, 987 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: I'll see what happens. In three games he played a 988 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,840 Speaker 1: hundred in three of his hundred and sixteen defensive snaps. 989 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: Three games. Yep, he started six years in. I know. 990 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,120 Speaker 1: So can we turn back to clock a couple of years. 991 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: You think it's a bad Yeah, I think it's a 992 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: great signing. I think it's a depth signing. And he 993 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 1: can play special teams. That's where he that's what he 994 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: did from Minnesota. Yeah. See, that's but that's what I'm saying. 995 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you get a guy here that has got 996 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: some at least he's play lined up and played. I 997 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: don't I think that if you're expecting him to be 998 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,840 Speaker 1: a great cover guy and all those things, he's absolutely not. 999 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 1: He's a terrible cover guy. He's a really good tackler. 1000 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: He's physical, he's got size, if you play him down 1001 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: in the box of the linebacker spot, when he gets 1002 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 1: to plays good enough to finish there. So when they 1003 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 1: let's say they don't add a second round pick, it's 1004 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 1: safety or move up and take a safety in the draft. 1005 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: With what they have on their roster right now, when 1006 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: they go out for OTAs in the first unit goes 1007 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: out there, who are the safe two safeties? I think 1008 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 1: it's Heath and Bethan Woods. But you know, when Cabon 1009 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: Frasier has played well or when Wilcox they've they've they've 1010 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,719 Speaker 1: earned a little package of plays, and maybe this guy 1011 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: can do that, you know, maybe he can be part 1012 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 1: of a little rotation to say. I hate to say this, 1013 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,759 Speaker 1: I'm still waiting on Cavon Frasier. Yeah, and I think 1014 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 1: there's a reason why Georgia Looka got signed because they're 1015 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,800 Speaker 1: still waiting on Cavon Frasier. I'm saying in past years. No, no, 1016 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm just telling the move. I'm just telling you right now, 1017 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier is you can talk about special team. So 1018 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 1: I think they're waiting on Cavon Frasier to kind of 1019 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to be critical of somebody, 1020 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,440 Speaker 1: be critical of Cavon Frasier because if he would have 1021 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,399 Speaker 1: played with any type of if he would have played 1022 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,720 Speaker 1: with any type of promise, you're not signing Georgia Loca. 1023 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,799 Speaker 1: You're not even talking maybe you're not even talking about 1024 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 1: drafting the guy. And it gets back to what I 1025 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: said earlier about Okay, you've got to figure out, Okay, 1026 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: if the starter goes down at this position, what do 1027 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,359 Speaker 1: you have coming on next? Well, Minnesota did that last 1028 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 1: year by and Zimmer was very familiar with Iloca because 1029 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,919 Speaker 1: he had him at Cincinnati. Sure, okay, and they knew 1030 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,359 Speaker 1: if they if the safeties go down, this guy can 1031 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,839 Speaker 1: fill in, plugging in play three games. They did, right, 1032 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: And when you look back with Cowboys, when they lost 1033 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,920 Speaker 1: the safety, Cavon Frazier had to come in. They needed 1034 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,239 Speaker 1: to upgrade at that position, get more depth there at 1035 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,000 Speaker 1: the safety and that's what they did, right. Depth, that's right, 1036 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 1: special teams right, and he can compete and you know, 1037 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: and he's been a starter in this league. Who knows 1038 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 1: if he I think this game the form of two 1039 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: years ago, three years ago. I think this is more 1040 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 1: about Cavon Frasier than it is about Jeff Heath. That's right, 1041 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,400 Speaker 1: and that was kind of a narrative out there, is that, Yeah, well, no, 1042 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: everybody wants to get rid of Heath, and I get it. 1043 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,479 Speaker 1: I get it, But you know me, personally, if Jeff 1044 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,800 Speaker 1: Heath could focus just on special teams, the special teams 1045 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 1: unit would be better. Yeah, you know, I mean he 1046 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,480 Speaker 1: plays one hundred plays a game on defense and special teams. 1047 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm thinking more of the end of the I'm going 1048 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,120 Speaker 1: back to twenty seventeen Byron Jones didn't get benched, but 1049 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: they gave some snaps to Frasier and and kind of 1050 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: work three guys Like that's a possibility if you see 1051 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 1: enough from another safety who can step in and help 1052 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 1: with Jeff Heath there. I think that's a possibility. But yeah, Mick, 1053 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not nobody's saying I don't think anybody's 1054 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: saying this guy's you know the answer, and it's going 1055 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 1: to end up being a pro bowler. I've read it. 1056 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: They found their safess what they do, they cover their 1057 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: needs in the second way. I understand. Okay, I'm just 1058 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 1: trying to put perspective on I suggested you go study 1059 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 1: the safeties in this draft. Guy's not going to be 1060 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,800 Speaker 1: a walk in st all right, final old minute or 1061 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: so here at the league meetings are talking about a 1062 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,320 Speaker 1: rule change on side kick side kick? Do you like 1063 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: the prospect of a rather than an on side kick? 1064 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,160 Speaker 1: A team in the fourth quarter it gets one opportunity 1065 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: to run a first and fifteen play from its own fourth, 1066 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,480 Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen one play, Yeah, I hate that for 1067 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,960 Speaker 1: from your own thirty five yard make it fourth and 1068 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,200 Speaker 1: twenty five. These guys convert fifteen yard passes like it's nothing. Yeah. 1069 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 1: On side kick, yeah, aren't very good. If you get 1070 00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 1: me too, if I get you to an onside kick, 1071 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 1: I've I've still got a chance to win this from 1072 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,800 Speaker 1: the white yard line, you think twenty five through it 1073 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 1: from the twenty five yard line, a first and twenty five, 1074 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 1: fourth and twenty five, four and twenty five. Yes, if 1075 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 1: you convert a fourth and twenty five, keep playing. I 1076 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,080 Speaker 1: kind of love it. It's very xfelish. So that's what 1077 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,960 Speaker 1: they're doing in the it's fourth and fifteen at the 1078 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 1: thirty five. Now you're gonna lose be fourth and fifteen 1079 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: at the thirty five. Is what they're doing in the 1080 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 1: spring league. Yeah, right, so you would get it to 1081 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,920 Speaker 1: you'd have to get to the fifty right, right, and 1082 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 1: if you hit an on side kick and recovered it 1083 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: at the forty five, so you Yeah, so it's that's 1084 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,880 Speaker 1: what they're thinking. Now, Well, how about how about okay, hey, 1085 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,680 Speaker 1: let's go back to the Seattle game real quick in 1086 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,440 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Okay, what if you? What if you? They 1087 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,160 Speaker 1: they got you on the ropes a little bit in 1088 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: that game. All of a sudden, you give up a 1089 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: fourth and fifteen. Now they keep going, and all they 1090 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,440 Speaker 1: needed was a fuel goal to win that game. It 1091 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,200 Speaker 1: was a two point game, win't it? Yep? No, fourth 1092 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 1: and fifteen and you're playing miserable defense at the end 1093 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,120 Speaker 1: of the game. Yeah, you're beaten down. Yeah, yes, you 1094 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,840 Speaker 1: could have back off fifteen yards. That's what I'm saying, though, 1095 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 1: you you let somebody, somebody can convert fourth and fifteen 1096 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, for sure, fourth and twenty five is 1097 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,000 Speaker 1: a little bit different ball game there, I think. I 1098 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: mean for the average fan, that would add some extra intrigue. Though. No, 1099 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,439 Speaker 1: you're gonna lose a lot of games. You're gonna lose games. Well, 1100 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,040 Speaker 1: have a good The problem is, but put you with 1101 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 1: the new cut, right, exactly. So what I want to 1102 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,800 Speaker 1: win the game. If they're kicking onside kicks to me, 1103 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,880 Speaker 1: they're trying to recover those, that's probably I probably won 1104 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,200 Speaker 1: that game. This won't pass, right, I don't think it will. 1105 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: It might well, see, they just need to worry about 1106 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: the replace stuff they had. They had. It happened in 1107 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,720 Speaker 1: the A game the other night, right, they had somebody 1108 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 1: convert a fourth and fifteen or fourth and whatever it is. 1109 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,960 Speaker 1: That was an overtime. Yeah they got. I mean, yeah, 1110 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: how about Brandon Silver's overtime win for Memphis. How are 1111 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: you holding off Johnny Mansel? That's right, starting quarterback, quarterback 1112 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,760 Speaker 1: for Mike Singletary's day as everybody was chatty jotty chatty, 1113 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: and then he put in Silver's after he got his 1114 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,080 Speaker 1: one or two possessions. So you're watching, huh. I was, 1115 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, no March madness for Mickey. 1116 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Now I was flipping then probably was between gay got 1117 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,720 Speaker 1: the madness part? Right? Yeah, all right, that doesn't for 1118 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,160 Speaker 1: talking cowboys for this week, and we'll talk about DeMarcus 1119 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: Lawrence signing next week. Here I'm talking cowboys. This has 1120 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,880 Speaker 1: been a production of Dallas Cowboys Dot com and the 1121 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,680 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Football Club