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Speaker 1: Hey, what up? Welcome in Doug Gottlieb here with is

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Speaker 1: the All Ball podcast. Quick note when I putting trade

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Speaker 1: deadline stuff on this podcast, because this discussion with ra

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Speaker 1: Javelle is just too good if you want the more

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Speaker 1: up to date, Hey this trade. What do I think

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Speaker 1: of Clint Cappella being sent out of Houston? Actually, I

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Speaker 1: kind of want to say something that I just think

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Speaker 1: it's a mistake. You do need a role man, you

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Speaker 1: do need a rim runner, you do need rim protection.

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Speaker 1: You may not not want to close with it, but

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Speaker 1: you needed as part of your part of your bag.

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Speaker 1: I think it's been a mistake, but they had overpaid him,

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Speaker 1: and so I know there's out of the ramifications. That

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff you can get in the Doug Gotlip

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Speaker 1: Show podcast with Stops Daily. This is a great discussion

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Speaker 1: with ra jave Bell about Kobe Bryant, what he learned,

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Speaker 1: how they became friends, um the you know, the breaking

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Speaker 1: of the ice, and and where he was when he

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Speaker 1: found out about about Kobe's death and how his own kids,

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Speaker 1: his own mom reacted to it. It's great stuff for that.

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Speaker 1: Further Ado, here's part two of All Ball with Raja Bell.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so what was his rep in the league? What do

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Speaker 1: people say about Shack about about Kobe? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: most people did not like Kobe, and I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't because well, first of all, I shouldn't say most people.

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Speaker 1: Most of the stars that that Kobe probably led into

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Speaker 1: a circle probably liked him. I was not one of them.

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Speaker 1: So I was just someone that that had to compete

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Speaker 1: against him. Everyone who only knew him as a competitor,

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Speaker 1: you probably didn't like him because he was He was

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Speaker 1: really good. He was unapologetic about being really good. Um,

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Speaker 1: he did nothing that you ever did really got to

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Speaker 1: him because there was very little like trash talk between

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Speaker 1: and just being able to get a guy to say

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Speaker 1: I'm under your skin a little bit, but he gave

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Speaker 1: that I was on during the time we probably had

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Speaker 1: didn't really love love Kobe that much. But you know,

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Speaker 1: in fairness, you know he wasn't letting people a lot

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Speaker 1: it's stars. I don't think anybody knew him. Remember, like

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Speaker 1: he lives by me now, like this is he moved

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Speaker 1: the Newport Beach, like he was aloof by by his

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Speaker 1: own estimation, like he didn't. He didn't. That wasn't how

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Speaker 1: he got down like he did kind of his his

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Speaker 1: not crushing to do like part of I think I

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Speaker 1: dear basketballs, not only powerful. But also if you if

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Speaker 1: you listened, it told the story of of Kobe in

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Speaker 1: he's trying to copy his idol, which hell, anybody tried

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Speaker 1: if you listen close enough during that ceremony, you heard

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Speaker 1: Like now he's this in like regal gentleman, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: And I remember by time, like I was in college,

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Speaker 1: he was I'm sure he was insecure. I'm sure. He

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Speaker 1: life changes. He's you're playing with adults. He's here in

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Speaker 1: But Kobe is now figured out that while I'm leading

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Speaker 1: And so I finally do what I do. I blug out.

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Speaker 1: Like by my own admission, I just completely like bugged

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Speaker 1: post the post incident that really like, and I've never

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Speaker 1: said this before, but I'm a share it with you, Doug.

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Speaker 1: I saw if you watch the video, and I thought

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Speaker 1: I close lining. If you do that two Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: or any any like player that to start you honest, like,

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Speaker 1: what do you think his teammate's reactions is gonna be?

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Speaker 1: They want to fight. By the way I'm watching it

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Speaker 1: three to nine. He goes by you, and you close

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry Draymond Green's coming for your ass. Correct? I thought,

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Speaker 1: he to say, we think about that like that that

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Speaker 1: that's kinda suck. Here's the here's the here's the here's

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Speaker 1: the team that lost to the Spurs? Uh seven? Maybe Spurs? Okay?

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Speaker 1: But why did you lose to the Spurs Because fucking

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Speaker 1: Steve Nash got checked by by Robert Ory and ran

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Speaker 1: we tried to fight it. No, but who hopped off

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. The very next year, Steve Nash two

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Speaker 1: time League MVP. Okay, gets checked games over, You're gonna win.

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Speaker 1: You won in San Antonio to take back home court advantage,

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Speaker 1: a game five. I'll have to look you you lived

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Speaker 1: at you would know. But the next game, those guys

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Speaker 1: because you didn't have your You didn't have like the

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Speaker 1: all he did was get checked into the boards. You

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Speaker 1: clothesline Kobe, and nobody did anything to you. Nobody did

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Speaker 1: tmates were like that guy, right, Well, it's certainly appeared

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Speaker 1: that way, like in in like in the moment, it didn't,

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Speaker 1: let me take it a step further down. So like this,

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Speaker 1: four percent body fat, like you ain't see nothing like

425
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Speaker 1: you know, just just kind of like you know, buddies.

426
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: Like we weren't ever gonna be like doing holidays together

427
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 1: like Steve and I did, but but we were cool, man,

428
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 1: And I really, I really appreciated the fact that a

429
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: guy like that, just for me, this was a this

430
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: is a selfish thing. Um could appreciate the inner competitor

431
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 1: and me enough to like to to to be a friend,

432
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: like to respect it in a because we'll talk like

433
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 1: who this fuck am I? Like it's Kobe fucking Bryant.

434
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: And I pulled two ten days and looked my way

435
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: into the league. You know. So there was a there

436
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: was some satisfaction and some some some uh you know,

437
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: there was some pride in the fact that man, I

438
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 1: played this motherfucker hard enough, not successful enough, but hard

439
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: enough where where he was like what he would think

440
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: of me? Like that? And so you know, before I

441
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: went to Utah that year, I was a free agent.

442
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: It was gonna be the last time I was a

443
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: free agent, and he called me. Um, the Lakers called

444
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: me at twelve oh one that night Kobe did it.

445
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: I was in Long Island with my with my family

446
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: and we were out on like my in laws front yard,

447
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: hanging out and a call comes in the next day

448
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: from from from l A. And you know, he's like, uh,

449
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: you know which. I'm like, well, I don't, you know,

450
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. You were trying to figure out what's

451
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: going on. He's like, look, Lebron d Wade and Chris Bosh.

452
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, they think they think that they got it

453
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: going on down there. They're trying to load up and

454
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: win championships. And he said, anybody who can clothesline me

455
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: in a in a in a playoff game, I need

456
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: them on my teeth. He was like, they think that

457
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: got something, but we're gonna load up to and he

458
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: pitched it just like that, and I was like, okay, well,

459
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta see what the numbers are because

460
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: at that point, Doug, you know, the money was being spent,

461
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: it wasn't being spent on me necessarily, so I was

462
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: gonna probably I thought I have to wait in free

463
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: agency to see who had money left, and just you know,

464
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make a living out of this, right.

465
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: I didn't have the luxury of just saying, yeah, I'm

466
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: gonna play purely for the money so you or just

467
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: for the championships. So a few weeks go by and

468
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm out. I go out to the SPS. I'm gonna

469
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: meet with Kobe and he's like, yo, dude, I'm gonna

470
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: send the Mama Chopper. Um, I'm like, what the are

471
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: you talking about. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna said I

472
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: would drive. He was like, I would send the Mampa Chopper.

473
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: If you can pick you up, it's gonna bring you

474
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Speaker 1: out to the house and we'll we'll chop it up

475
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: and we'll get it figured out. And I'll be damn

476
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: dude if that day I don't get a call from

477
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: Chicago and fucking the Jazz, both with two different offers,

478
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: both for around ten million, and the Lakers were just strapped.

479
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: They just didn't have anything left. And I called him

480
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, Yo, dude, I hate to do

481
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: this ship to you. I was like, but I mean, look,

482
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 1: the these these numbers aren't even comparable. I'd never make

483
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: this money again in my life, bro, like I ain't

484
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 1: always your gas on the chopper, you know, and and

485
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: put it to bed like that, and he was cool

486
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: about it. But I always regret I mean, not sitting

487
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: here like like you know, paying mortgages. I don't regret it,

488
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: but I regret and never playing with him because that

489
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: legendary like work ethic that he had, that that I

490
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: will outwork anyone in the gym is something that, especially

491
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: in my younger days, I prided myself on and I

492
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen if I could live

493
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: up to that ship. Like you know, I I was

494
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: good enough to like earn a little bit of respect

495
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: from and playing against him. I would have liked to

496
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: have known if I could earn his respect playing with

497
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: it just to match whatever he was doing physically. And

498
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Speaker 1: I never got st Where where are you when you

499
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: found out he he had the crash? I was in

500
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: a car um driving from a quarterfinal game with my

501
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: with my seventh grade basketball team going to our semifinal game,

502
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: and one of the kids in the back, uh said,

503
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: I just saw Kobe died in a helicopter crash. And

504
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, cut it out, man. I was like,

505
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: that's not even funny. I was like, you guys in

506
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: this like all your internet. I was like, it's like

507
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: they didn't make saying like little Yahti or somebody died

508
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: last week, like cut it out. And I had a

509
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: dad sitting next to me in the front seat and

510
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: I kept driving and another one of them in the

511
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: back was like, um, I just saw it too, and

512
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: so I'm like, oh funk. I look over the dad

513
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, the check ESPN real quick, just

514
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: check check a major like verified. And it hadn't hit yet,

515
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: and so I called Steve and I was like, I

516
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: was like, Nash, are you know what's up? Dude? Are

517
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: you u in l A? And he was like yeah.

518
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, is this true? And I don't

519
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: know that he heard what I said, because his response

520
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: in me at lee wasn't like it's true. He said,

521
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: you know something and if the kids are all in

522
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: the car And at the end, I'm like, okay, brother,

523
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: all right, cool? Are you good? And he was like yeah, dude,

524
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm We're alive. And I was like, what

525
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: the funk? I was like, are you telling me that?

526
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: So I just I mean, I you know it hit

527
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: home immediately for me, because I mean, once I've got

528
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: the details, I found out what he was doing that day,

529
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: I was doing the same thing. It was just my mother,

530
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: my dog, my mother. I've never seen this, someone not

531
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: in our family. She she cried like she lost the child.

532
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't really to this day. I

533
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: don't know why it affected her like that. She cried

534
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: When I got in the car and she was parked

535
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: right next to me, and I looked at her. She

536
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. I was like, she said, what happened?

537
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: I said today, saying, Kobe just died in a in

538
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: a in a helicopster cry. She broke down and cried

539
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: like she had lost the child. I was, it was,

540
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: it was. It was the weirdest thing. But then I

541
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: watched over the next few days, beviously the world. It

542
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: had that effect on them, and admittedly it didn't have

543
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: that effect on me that day. It didn't like it

544
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: was shitty. I felt terrible, Um I was. I felt

545
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: awful for the families, as the as the as the

546
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: news starter to pour out. Um, but it didn't hit me.

547
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm supposed to feel guilty

548
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: for that or not. But it didn't hit me the

549
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: next day when I went to work and it started

550
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: to sink in. I had to start talking about it.

551
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: It just it sucked all the life out of me.

552
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: It's amazing because um uh so, my daughter so so.

553
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: And if your listening to pod, you probably heard last

554
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: week's I had. I called a game the night before

555
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: in on Radio Kentucky Texas Tech, and I'm really close

556
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: to the Texas Tech guys and I like spent the

557
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: next like five hours breaking down tape with them, which

558
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: is just awesome. Crisp Beards an incredible dude. And I

559
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: flew back. I was supposed to come to Miami on

560
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: Sunday and I I could have had like a day

561
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: at the beach and no kids, nothing, and just you know,

562
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean great. But my son we had to our team,

563
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: like our I think it was sixth grade. Yeah, our

564
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: sixth grade had two teams. And he's a little he's

565
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: like a little young fifth grader, but we had to

566
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: sixth grade games. And my daughter and he had a

567
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 1: baseball game, and my daughter had a she rides a

568
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: riding show, and so I hadn't seen a ride in

569
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: a couple of months, so I was like, I'm gonna come.

570
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: So I literally, you know, fly in and it's foggy

571
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: and we land get to my car, drive down, pick

572
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: up my other daughter. We go down to see her

573
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: show and it's those things are always late, and she's

574
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: showing and she's doing well, and it popped up on

575
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: my phone. My mom's sitting next to me, my wife,

576
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: and we're like, no way, no way, right, and then

577
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: we're looking further and you know, I now I knew

578
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: Kobe with my daughters, had gone to school with with

579
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: Gigi and John actually asked Harper, hey, why don't you

580
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: play basketball? This is like two years ago when we

581
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: first moved back from Connecticut. She's like, you know, do

582
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: you want you should play basketball with us, you know,

583
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: on the school team and then on Mamba and Harper's like,

584
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm terrible. She's she was okay, but she's like, but

585
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: she's like, your dad played on don't you play? She's like,

586
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't anyway. And the reason Harvard you want to

587
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: play was she wants to ride. And what they did

588
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: with Mamba was they weren't very good at first, and

589
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: they stopped playing tournaments and practice five, six days a week.

590
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: It was like it was good. It was hardcore, and

591
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: he really taught him how to play basketball. Anyway, so

592
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: she gets done, she she wins the show and she's

593
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: like on her horse and she's bawling, and so I

594
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: I was like, Gianna wasn't on it. I don't know,

595
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: So I I tell my wife and my my mom,

596
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: I'll go, I'll go figure it out. So she's going

597
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: and she's on her horse and she's walking back towards

598
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: the stall or wherever. And I was like, what's what's wrong?

599
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: You did great? She's like to have my friend died

600
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: in a helicopter accent. I was like, no, harberd. Gianna

601
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: wasn't on that. She's like, not Gianna, Alyssa. I was like, Alyssa,

602
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: she's like a Lissa all to belly. She's like I

603
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: pay out with her every day for the last two

604
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: years before school. At that lunch, she's on Mamba. She's

605
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: like an Ellie's on that team. And I don't know

606
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: if Ellie was on the chopper two. And I was

607
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: like what, and so like we find find out. So anyway,

608
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: then I we come home and and one of the

609
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: other girls at the barn is best friends with their

610
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: older daughter, without the older daughter who now has no

611
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: parents and loses a sister. So we got to arrange

612
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: to get the car home. We get the car home,

613
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: and now I gotta go coach these AU games. So

614
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: my son's out in front. You know, he's got Kobe

615
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: jersey on. He's shooting tribute videos to him. You know. Anyway,

616
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: we we I go and I coached these games and

617
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: we lose, like to like, but it was actually good basketball,

618
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: and everybody, like everybody is like in a weird place.

619
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: All the kids are wearing purple and gold and the

620
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: parents wearing Kobe stuff or whatever, but it's just still

621
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: too raw. And then I come home my daughter. Every Anyway,

622
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: what I with the parallel was I left that night

623
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: and I was, I'm like you, like I I was

624
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: more concerned about my daughter because we hadn't we had

625
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: like a long talk about death and dying and what

626
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: you believe happens next and how you should remember your

627
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: friend and how you should handle things and you know,

628
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: and then I had to like fly across the country

629
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: and you know, works like, hey, we'd like to have

630
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: you on like first thing in the mornings. I got

631
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: a kitchen an earlier red eye, but I remember like

632
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: closing my eyes in the red eye, and I felt terrible,

633
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: but it was more for my daughter and I had.

634
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: I had a friend named Don Clark who died suddenly.

635
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: He was a six ft six kid. I was like

636
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: twelve and he was thirteen. I'd grown up playing ball

637
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: with him, and he like dropped dead one day after practice,

638
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: and I told her the story that I remember when

639
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: Don Clark died and how he died at the end

640
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: of practice. And I used to get scared at the

641
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: end of basketball games that I was gonna drop dead.

642
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, in the way in

643
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: which my brain works. Now I have friends that died

644
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: in the plane crash. Now I know these people that

645
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: died in helicopter accident. I almost feel like the statistical

646
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: likelihood of that happened to me is so miniscule. You know,

647
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: there's some survivors guilt there, but I know it won't

648
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: happen anyway. It wasn't until probably and I the next day.

649
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: I was on energy and adrenaline and I flown and

650
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: I was tired, but I just got I've gotten sadder

651
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: and sadder and sadder. And when I saw that that

652
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: ceremonies Friday night, like I was just bawling. And I've

653
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: been incredibly sad. Yeah, and just and and I think

654
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: part of it is that it took me a while

655
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: to like him, right, but also took him like reaching out.

656
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: Part of it was, you know, like you see somebody's life.

657
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: Basically his life was lived in the public eye since

658
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: he was seventeen, so we saw him mature and then

659
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: make mistakes and then fall out of favor and then

660
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: earn back people's respect until this like incredible, unbelievable end

661
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: of his career. And then there's the element that you

662
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: and I share, which is we coach kids. Team were

663
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: in these cars with these kids all the time, and

664
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: it might have been a helicopter for him, but it

665
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: could have been a fifteen passenger van, or it could

666
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: have been your suv or whatever, Like this ship can

667
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: happen at any time, right, And just the relationships you

668
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: have with your son or your daughter when you're coaching them,

669
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: like those moments are so real and so important. I

670
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: don't know, like the whole thing. Yeah, I'm with you,

671
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: Like I my dad died and it really affected me.

672
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: I didn't cry. I don't know as much as when

673
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Kobe died. Like this, this thing is really put like

674
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: a pail on me. Yeah yeah, dude, I first of all,

675
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: I'd like that I you your daughter, um is is

676
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: is that is the reason why I'm so sad like that,

677
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: like the the the young people that are that are affected,

678
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: um by the amount of loss in that in that

679
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: helicopter right like Kobe and h This isn't to make

680
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: to marginalize Kobe's lost, but just the amount of families

681
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: is it's ultimately you know what got for me. I'll

682
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: get back to Kobe. It's just you know, man, like,

683
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: that's that's my world, dude, Like it's it's why you know,

684
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: it's why you do what you do. It's why you

685
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: don't do some things. It's why you know. It's it's

686
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: your it's your world. Old and to to casually leave

687
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: every day and take for granted that you're going to

688
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: see them again because you just do all the time.

689
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: Um and and like it just put it just put

690
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: a perspective on it where you're like, man, like, you're

691
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: really taking a lot of ships for granted, Like you

692
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: don't you don't know what's happening the next minute of

693
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: your life, you know, and I we're guilty of that.

694
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: Our family, most of the families that were friends with,

695
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: like my good friends that are in other states, are

696
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: all living the same life where you're like, I gotta go, no,

697
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: I gotta get gent over to this game and you

698
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: gotta take tie there. I'll drop get off. I love

699
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: you see later, like guys have have the games, We'll

700
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: see it a bit and you just don't know. And

701
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: so the amount of loss on that chop or leg

702
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: for for those families, for your daughter and all the

703
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: people that were close to all of them, was just dog.

704
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: It consumed me, man that like that. That next day,

705
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: even after work, I was just I was really really down.

706
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm with you, dude all the way. My kids, who

707
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: are not nearly as close to the situation obviously as

708
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: yours were, you know, their granddad died two years ago,

709
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: so you know, it took them back to that ship

710
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: like they were. They were. My twelve year old turn

711
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: of thirteen. I'd come home and he's crying in his

712
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: bedroom and I'm like, well, you you know, what do

713
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: we cry about, Bunny? And He's like well, you know,

714
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: you know I should have been there and when Papa

715
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: died and you know, like just you know, it took

716
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: them back to a really really dark place. It had

717
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: that kind of effect on a lot of people. Um.

718
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: And to to Kobe, I always thought that his life,

719
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: um because because I had a dude, um that that

720
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: that worked for the Sixers who whose brother was friends

721
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: with him back in high school. And he always told me,

722
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, Kobe didn't have a lot of people he had.

723
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: He had a small circle because of of who he was. Right.

724
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I'd say this about any like child star,

725
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: It's got to be kind of lonely, right. It's got

726
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: to be kind of hard for you to really sift

727
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: through whether someone likes you for you or whether someone

728
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: likes you because you're Kobe or you're Michael Jackson or

729
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: you're you know, any the Coulie call in any any

730
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: star like that. Like, it's got to be a very

731
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: hard thing, you know, to figure out and trust. And

732
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: so for that reason, it's got to be kind of lonely.

733
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: And then you know you're this uber competitor and you

734
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: know you're knock heads with everyone and you're beating them

735
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: all and then you know you don't want any friends.

736
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: And then to see him really get comfortable in his

737
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: own skin, and and it doesn't matter whether it was

738
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: close retirement or not, but him opening up him him

739
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: even just like the Momba Academy and having having the

740
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the workouts with all the guys out there in l

741
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: A and starting to impart you know, some of the

742
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: tricks of the trade and that wisdom, you know, onto

743
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: those guys here, let me give you some some keys

744
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: to the kingdom. Take like this is what I would

745
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: do in this scenario, or challenging those guys you know

746
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: on Instagram, really opening up and being the type of

747
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: family dude that he was, Like it was just, you know,

748
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: it was it was really really hard pill to swallow

749
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: because it's to some degree he felt like he was

750
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: just hitting this fucking prime like he finally figured he

751
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: finally figured out, like I finally yeah, and then and

752
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: then in a family Yeah, it's it's it's it is.

753
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: It makes the story even more complex and um, you know,

754
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: it's like it's one of those it's one of those

755
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: deals where um, I you know, I said this on

756
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: on Television's Truths, Like look if you if you want

757
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: to stop after Colorado, you can if you want to

758
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: stop after you know, when he playing against you guys

759
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: and the Suns and you refused to shoot the ball.

760
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: He did it again against the thunder right where he

761
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: was thrown, throwing a fit because he didn't like his

762
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: his teammates. Whatever, you know, if you if you want

763
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: to like, those are just chapters in the story. But

764
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: the thing isn't the book continues to be written. Um It.

765
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: There was this obviously a surprise and shocking ending, but

766
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the story became a beautiful one

767
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: where the guy figured it out. And I think that's

768
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: what we can all one relate to. Um. I also

769
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: think it's funny you point that out about dude, does

770
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: he do already friends with me? Because I'm Kobe, your

771
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: friends with me? Because you're gonna be friends with me? Like, honestly,

772
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: that's why I never asked him to be on the pod,

773
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Like he's like, Dude, why haven't he actually why if

774
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: you asked me to be your pod? I was like,

775
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: I just I don't actually kind of I think we're friends,

776
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I just want to be the

777
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: guy who used you so I could get ten thousand

778
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: more downloads, Like I don't want to be a guy, no,

779
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna get me ten dollars more downloads.

780
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: We're just we're catching up. We didn't fucking we aren't

781
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: caught up in forever. People forget I discussed people forget.

782
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: I discovered you. I discovered you back in the day.

783
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Now you're a multimedia star. So um so No, it's

784
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: a and and I think, and maybe this is a

785
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: little bit so now my now my daughters going through

786
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: the people have moved on, right, there's still flowers in

787
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 1: front of the school and the memorials Monday, and people

788
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: who remember and they're doing these great stories about uh

789
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: Alissa's dad and as a as a junior college baseball

790
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: coach down the street. But now it's like, hey, why

791
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: aren't people remembering my friend? And yeah, the numbers are

792
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: still up and the ribbons are still up, but you know,

793
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: people move on. And I think for you, there's got

794
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: to be a little of like I made it myself.

795
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: But you could you could close line anybody in the NBA,

796
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: but you didn't. You close line Kobe Bryant, And it

797
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: kind of made you a little bit, right, you became

798
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: a made man because of it, because you stare down

799
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: the belly of the beast and and and one um

800
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: and so there's gotta be a little bit of that.

801
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: I said it to my dad the other day, like

802
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I said, you know, when I was really kind of

803
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: unloading and stuff, and you know, I said, Dad, Look,

804
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean I would have still lived a dream, like

805
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: but no one would have ever known who I was

806
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: if that didn't happen, Like so you know, like it's

807
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: just a weird It's just a weird thing, right, Like

808
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: I no one would have ever known, Like they would

809
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: have been like, yeah it was he could shoot a

810
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: little bit and and you know whatever. But but because

811
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: of that, like I had a couple of minutes of

812
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: of like national attention. So I'm I'm very cognizant of that.

813
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm not really, it's not like a thankful thing. I'm

814
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: cognizant of the fact. And you know, I I you

815
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: you grow up like when you grow up, like being

816
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: a basketball player, like he like, it's it is a dream.

817
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: It is beyond like your wildest dream to be able

818
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: to do that for most of us, right, some are

819
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: born to do it, some are dreaming to do it

820
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: um to ever, Like if you had told me, hey man,

821
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: one day you are gonna be friends with someone like

822
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's, I like the funk had it? What are

823
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: you talking about? Like, I like stop like to be

824
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: able to say that, Like I did have moments against

825
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: Kobe where we really competed and we both laid it

826
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: all out there on the line, and he he respected

827
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: me enough to like call me a friend and vice

828
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: versa like that. That's really like it's it's it's in

829
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: some ways like it is as I still as a

830
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: co finished as I do for having played in the NBA,

831
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. Do you know what I mean?

832
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: Like you, that's it? Like you you get their respect

833
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: of mj You got you, that's it. You've done what

834
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: you need to do. Like and I just feel like

835
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: I can't help but feel that way. Sometimes he always

836
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: went right, didn't he did? He ever? Did he go left?

837
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: He he went He went left to get into a shot.

838
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: Right like go right, come back left to get into

839
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: a shot, go left to get into a pull up. Uh,

840
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: most of the attacking was was done to the right.

841
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: And I had a lot of I had a lot

842
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: of like, you know, I played him so much and

843
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: watched so much, Like I had quick hands. It was

844
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've always had, like um,

845
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: and so you know when he get into that like

846
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: little shoulders, shim me and give you the little fade away.

847
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: I got hands on a lot of that, Like I

848
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: mean a lot. It's relative, but I get hands on

849
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: it a bit. And like I just remember him being like,

850
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: oh I forgot I forgot how quick your hands were,

851
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: and then coming back like the next year and being like, yeah, dude,

852
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: but I'm not it's not gonna be there anymore. And and

853
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: and then it wouldn't be there anymore, like he had

854
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: moved it. So like the place where he originated the

855
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: shot was different. So where I put my hand had

856
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: to change now too, because he had just countered what

857
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: I had been doing to him for a year, you know,

858
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: and it was it was just a it was a

859
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: chess match like that. Like he was he was always,

860
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, gonna be one step ahead of what you

861
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 1: were trying to do, or trying to be one step

862
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: ahead of of what you were trying to do. You know. No,

863
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: he was he was really a brilliant guy, and he

864
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: really put a lot of like I think, I mean,

865
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: I think Jordan was brilliant as a basketball player. He's obviously,

866
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: like Kobe have been a brilliant businessman. But I I

867
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: don't think and this maybe you played against him, so

868
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: you tell me. I always saw Jordan's uh early on,

869
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: maybe in his prime was a little bit better athlete.

870
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: Like like, don't get wrong, Kobe was a great athlete,

871
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: but in term an NBA terms, Jordan was a freak.

872
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Like you could not keep him out of the lane

873
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: and I can't imagine without hand checking. And you know,

874
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: Jordan finished on anybody Kobe wasn't was just a notch below.

875
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: But Kobe's ability to understand everything angles pivoting you see

876
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: your hands, your your quickness of your hands, and how

877
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: to change things like his overall i Q and basketball

878
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: like you was spectacular. Uh. And there is the kind

879
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: of even the conflict there because as smarter basketball players

880
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: he was, he was also could be super super selfish,

881
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: right and take bad shots and and force things and

882
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: get and like you said, when you get goated into

883
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: kind of the the rivalry of hey, I'm gonna I'm

884
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: gonna fuck you up and good that's what we want

885
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: you to do. We want to keep we want you

886
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: to shoot the ball forty times and not pass the

887
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: ball because that gives us a better chance to win.

888
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: So there there was a there was a lot to

889
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: him that's different, and that that that's how I think

890
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: the stories should be told. We get caught up in media,

891
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: I think sometimes in platitudes and in talking about big

892
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: moments where you having guarded him and me having watched it,

893
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: and our and and like a podcast like this, the

894
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: ability to break down like this is what really kind

895
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: of separated him and him different. Yeah I did. I

896
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think like you know, at the

897
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know Kobe, Yeah, it was

898
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: it was a human being, right, Like can we all

899
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: have We all have like our our our our brilliant moments,

900
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: we all have our our not so brilliant moments, like

901
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: we we all do dumb shit. Um, you know, to

902
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: the to the point, like about the chapters keep rolling

903
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: on like you know. Um, my kids asked me the

904
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: other day as they get more information about Kobe about

905
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: the Colorado right and and you know I had to

906
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: just frankly tell them like look this this is what happened. Um,

907
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: share that with him, but say like, look, you know

908
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: everybody will make mistakes their degrees of that. Granted everybody

909
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: is gonna do, but it's it's it's can you grow?

910
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Can you learn? Can you keep it moving from that?

911
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: Can you continue to continue to evolve? Like as as

912
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: a little person as it precame to them, Like you

913
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: know that that find who you are? Or do you

914
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: do you try to become better from it? I was like,

915
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: and you know, let's not get caught up on that.

916
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: We we have to admit and and take that into

917
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: account when you're when when you're talking about someone, that

918
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't be fair not to but do you continue to

919
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: try to evolve? And that's kind of through through all

920
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: of this, like dog, like did I do coach a

921
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: high school team now? And I coach a seventh grade

922
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: team and had a fifth grade team and I'm with

923
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 1: my boys and my little girls too young and she's three.

924
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: But you know, when when you're talking about like Momba mentality,

925
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, guys, the best way you can honor

926
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: him like he's not writing anything on your shoes and

927
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: sharp he or anything like that like that, that's that's

928
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: not the way you do it. The way you do

929
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: it is to to my son's been reading like his

930
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: book he's got he's got it, and he did it

931
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: doing that before you know the tragedy. But it's it's

932
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: to apply some of some of the some of the

933
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: the mindsets that that he had, UM to your to

934
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: your daily whatever it is that you love to do,

935
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: like attack it with the passion and the thirst to

936
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: be like great at it, Like don't don't don't ever

937
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: think that that enough is enough. UM. Always trying to

938
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: like evolve and be better at what you're doing, just

939
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: whether it be playing the cello or or or the

940
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: piano or dancing whatever, whatever it is that that you

941
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: love and you have a passion for, first and foremost,

942
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: find it whatever it is, like the kids I sent

943
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: you videos the other day and you sent me videos

944
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: like I don't know what my son's love yet, find that,

945
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: like find something that just makes you like want to

946
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: get up in the morning and do It's something that

947
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: just like we'll get you out of bed when you

948
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: don't think you want to be out of bed, like

949
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: and when you find that, pour yourself into it, um

950
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: and and see she if you're rewarded for that, see

951
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: how far it can take you. Like, those are the

952
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: things that like more than anything, I think, I want

953
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: my kids, the kids that I work with, to understand

954
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: about Kobe, Like, yeah, fun, you want to lat Championships.

955
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: He was a great player, you know, flawed individual shore,

956
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: but what found himself and it's a great dad by

957
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: all accounts and and all of that. Like, but the mindset,

958
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: like that mentality, the true Mamba mentality, Like take that

959
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: ship and apply it to your life. If you can

960
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: do that, you would have honored that man in in

961
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: a in a in a in a way that I

962
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: don't even know that he could appreciated the impact um

963
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: of you know. And so that's where I'm at with it,

964
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: dog like super fucking sad um like you know. But

965
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: to your point about the world moving on, like the

966
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: clock keeps ticking and I told my son this ship

967
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: three days ago. Man, unfortunately, and it doesn't seem fair.

968
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: The world doesn't stop. And so the challenge in times

969
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: like that, when you're really sad and you're all broken up,

970
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: is to find a way to keep getting up out

971
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: of bed and keep putting the foot forward, to keep

972
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, all right, and and and when

973
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: you're doing that, apply apply these lessons to that, like

974
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 1: find find the passion, live the passion, like work for it.

975
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: Don't ever be satisfied, try to be the best like

976
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: and that should have taken Take it really far, man,

977
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: take you really far in life. I saw this quote

978
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: I tweeted a while back, and I've used it a bunt.

979
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: I love it, and and I'll tell you why in

980
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: a second. I have self doubt. I have insecurity. I

981
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: fear failure. I have nights when I show up at

982
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: the arena and I'm like, my back hurt, my feet hurt,

983
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: my knees hurt. I don't have it. I just want

984
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: to chill. We all have self doubt. You don't deny it,

985
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: but you also don't capitulate to it. You embrace it.

986
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: That's from Kobe, and um, it's fantastic on so many levels.

987
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: I had the success I have my so I have

988
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: twin daughters. The other my I can't say other daughter.

989
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: My hurt. Harper is, you know, straight a student, and

990
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: she's a great writer, and she just she's she knows

991
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: what she wants. Every day. She wants to be on

992
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: a horse, and that's she wants to be great at

993
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: that and the limitations are really financial, right, I mean

994
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: with in that sport um. Her sister Grace, you know,

995
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: she's she gets rife with jealousy. And what I've tried

996
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: to explain to her is like it's okay to be jealous,

997
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: it's okay to be insecure. It's do you let that

998
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: eat you up? Or do you let that energy as

999
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: you and use that jealousy and insecurity to to make

1000
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: you every day become become better. And that's really the

1001
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: decision that you have to make. And I agree, And

1002
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: and if that's the MoMA mentality, like yeah, I think

1003
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: that's the true story. Here is is the story of

1004
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: this is the um. Do you know the evolution of

1005
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: man poster Okay, you know where it starts out like

1006
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: chro magnum hunched over and then it shows like evolution

1007
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: of man. At the end it's it's homorectus, which is

1008
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: what we are now standing up straight, like I think

1009
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: that's all of us. I think that's that's that's Kobe

1010
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: Bryant and a nutshell, but that's all of us, Like

1011
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: we're all in. We think of human evolution taking millions

1012
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: of years like, nah, it's really your lifespan. You know,

1013
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: start out and you're kind of you think you know

1014
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: everything because you're fourteen and you've got some hair in

1015
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: your chest, you know, and you can make a basket

1016
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: and a girl likes you, and you know that you

1017
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: gotta you. You evolve, and he evolved, and that video

1018
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: on his tribute night at the end here he is

1019
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: in a beautiful suit, in a perfect tie, but it's

1020
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: not there's no there's no jewelry there, there's no glam there.

1021
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: You know, there's no there's no lines. Inside of his head,

1022
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: it's just a perfect you know, he perfectly quaff shaved head,

1023
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: and you know it's slightly overgrown beard. He's just he

1024
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: he had grown into a man, into an evolved adult,

1025
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: and he had used the I'm sure his own insecurities,

1026
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: his own self doubt. It's fear of failure to energize

1027
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: him to get him up out of bed. And that's

1028
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: that's what that's my takeaway as well, which is, you know,

1029
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: like I didn't make the league like you do, like

1030
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: you did, and I continue to kick to myself because

1031
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: I didn't believe in myself as shooter, or I'd get

1032
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: to a place where I'd stopped working in the middle

1033
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: of a season, or I just wouldn't wouldn't take, wouldn't

1034
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: take an opportunity, and it it wucks with me. But

1035
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: then I think of, you know, why did I take

1036
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: the earlier red eye to be on TV all day

1037
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: and then be on radio and then do all the

1038
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: ship I did, because you know what you want to

1039
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: call mom mentoror just the idea of I have a

1040
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: I have insecurities that I left something on the table

1041
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: as a basketball player that I will never leave on

1042
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: the on the table as a broadcaster. And that's what

1043
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to employ with my kids as well as

1044
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: exact same lessons that you are with yours. Yeah, I

1045
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: think I think it's a great lesson homes and that's

1046
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: that's uh yeah, that's that's what it's got to be. Bro.

1047
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's that's that's what it's got

1048
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: to be for them. Man, Like they didn't you know,

1049
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: unfortunately my kids didn't really get to know him or

1050
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: meet him or anything like that. But that's what our

1051
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: house will talk about when we talk about Momba. We

1052
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: won't you know, it won't be about the points and

1053
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: all of that. It will be about how how are

1054
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 1: you going to approach the things in your life? Um

1055
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: that that that you want to do or and even

1056
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Speaker 1: more importantly to your point that that you're you're afraid

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Speaker 1: you might not be able to do, Like what what

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Speaker 1: you can do? You can stop? You shut it down.

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Speaker 1: We had one of those last night in the bed

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Speaker 1: with Mike Tenior or a twelve year old you know,

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Speaker 1: he got into bed with my wife and I laden

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Speaker 1: he had overcome like a seven on seven situation. He

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Speaker 1: was playing up a couple of years and felt really inferior.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't wouldn't do it and this like this happened

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Speaker 1: a week ago, So this was this was Kobe was

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Speaker 1: used in this in this conversation, like, Dia, you gotta

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Speaker 1: go back like it it didn't It didn't feel great,

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Speaker 1: but you're young, like you're there to learn, like it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be good for you in the long run. You

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Speaker 1: gotta go and you gotta get over the feeling of

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Speaker 1: being uncomfortable. If you're not uncomfortable, you don't grow like

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Speaker 1: you and you've got to grow. You've gotta grow, bud.

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Speaker 1: And so I sent his ask back yesterday, like he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to go, and when he got home he

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Speaker 1: was so proud of himself because he had a great night.

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Speaker 1: I got like three phone calls and him and I

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Speaker 1: said to him laying in the bed, I said, dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm proud of you. Man. I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is a life lesson for you. This is a hurdle

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Speaker 1: that everyone you know hopefully can overcome. They certainly will

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Speaker 1: have them. And it's just what you do in that

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Speaker 1: moment when you're facing fear like that, that defines you

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Speaker 1: as a person. Man. And I really do believe, uh

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Speaker 1: Doug that if if, if if anyone out there wants

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Speaker 1: to take something away from the ship, take that away

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Speaker 1: from bro that that this cat was willing to look

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Speaker 1: anything that can How the fund do you become? Uh

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Speaker 1: An after winning? Like director, don't think about that ship, man,

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Speaker 1: Like you're like you're looking at any obstacle and saying,

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Speaker 1: I got this, I can do it. That's that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. It's really unbelievable. Listen, man, it was awesome

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Speaker 1: to catch up. Next time I'm I'm down there or

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Speaker 1: you're out here, you let me know. We will break bread.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, You've been incredibly gracious with your time.

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Speaker 1: That was fun. It again anytime, anytime, bro, tell tell

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Speaker 1: your tell your wife and the kids. I know I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen him in in years, but tell them all.

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Speaker 1: I said, Hi, I'll do it. Thanks Rot. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to catch the live edition of The Doug god Leap

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Speaker 1: Show week days at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening, guys. I really appreciate it, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I have some So many of you text me that

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Speaker 1: that was really good, or you however you want to

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Speaker 1: commune get what your friends. This is good stuff. And

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Speaker 1: some of it is you know, are back and forth

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Speaker 1: my friendship with Raja, and some of it is just

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Speaker 1: he's awesome and interesting and has led so far a

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Speaker 1: very amazing life. In our discussion about his life and

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. So I hope you enjoyed it. I know

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Speaker 1: we've broken intoto. Some people like that, some people don't.

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Speaker 1: If you don't tell me. If you do tell me,

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Speaker 1: it's always gonna end up in your queue anyway. So

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Speaker 1: when the next one comes up, you put it on

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Speaker 1: if you listen to that's what I do with podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you do as well. A reminder, The

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show is on daily three to six Eastern

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Speaker 1: the fly. We don't write anything out. We just react

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Speaker 1: download and rate the show. When you rate the show,

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Speaker 1: I think it helps me, gets me more to I

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Speaker 1: don't know who knows. I don't know actually how this works.

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Speaker 1: I just speaking to the microphone. Somebody else does all

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Speaker 1: the interesting stuff. Thank you to Rajah Bell, Thank you

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