WEBVTT - Political Renaissance

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Peeves, and welcome to ok F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>me your girl, Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's conversation with our dear friend, doctor Jonathan Metzel,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about where we think the energy is right

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<v Speaker 1>now with less than two weeks to go until the election,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jonathan gives his own anecdotes on his experience thus

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<v Speaker 1>far trying to vote in Tennessee, and we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of good news that early voting in battleground states.

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee is not a battleground, but early voting in battleground

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<v Speaker 1>states are breaking records, and usually that bodes as a

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<v Speaker 1>really good sign for Democrats. After Jonathan and I record,

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<v Speaker 1>I went back and was looking at headlines that would

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<v Speaker 1>surface later in the day, and it said Republicans are

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<v Speaker 1>voting in historic numbers and Republicans are early voting, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, breaking records and all of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I realize we don't know who to believe

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<v Speaker 1>and what to believe anymore. And that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>point of MAGA and the point of Donald Trump over

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<v Speaker 1>the last nine years of terrorism in this country is

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<v Speaker 1>that we can no longer rely on polls, we can

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<v Speaker 1>no longer rely on the news, we can no longer

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<v Speaker 1>rely on institution. We don't know which way is up

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<v Speaker 1>and which way is down, and nothing that used to

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<v Speaker 1>make sense makes sense anymore. And a part of me

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<v Speaker 1>feels like we are living inside of black mirror, living

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<v Speaker 1>inside of Orwell's nineteen eighty four, that it's already here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, oh, to be honest, how we

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<v Speaker 1>backpedal out of this. Obviously, I think that the election

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<v Speaker 1>of Kamala Harris would be a really major step in

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<v Speaker 1>the right direction, But I'm on the fence of if

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<v Speaker 1>that happens or not. Folks like, no one knows. None

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<v Speaker 1>of us know, and we won't know, probably for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days following the election. And that's what's so disheartening,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, is that how could you have all of

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<v Speaker 1>this information about Donald Trump and still think to yourself

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<v Speaker 1>that he should lead this country is obscene and absurd.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, like I just said, so

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<v Speaker 1>many of us, millions of us, feel absolutely disoriented and

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<v Speaker 1>detached from what we've known to be normal and true,

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<v Speaker 1>and that has been done on purpose, so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can believe that a figure like Donald Trump, maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>isn't as bad as people think he is. Fucking Ezra

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<v Speaker 1>Cline who wrote that bullshit and the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I understand where people are in this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and all I can encourage you to do is find

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<v Speaker 1>whatever grounds you, whether that be you know, meditation, walking

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<v Speaker 1>your pet, gardening, you know, doing whatever grounds you and

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<v Speaker 1>just allows you to feel and see and taste and

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<v Speaker 1>smell like reality. Double down on that, because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>that over the next couple of months we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind of just embedded deeply inside of this

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<v Speaker 1>tornado of misinformation of disinformation, and you're not alone in

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<v Speaker 1>your disorientation of where things are. So ground yourself. Really

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<v Speaker 1>engage in community, in your own community, and stay sane,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, because we are in this for the long haul.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, our in

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<v Speaker 1>house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever

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<v Speaker 1>we have the opportunity to speak with our in house doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Jonathan Metzel, we are always always thrilled and grateful. Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>you are back in Tennessee, and Tennessee, I sent you

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<v Speaker 1>a video. I will tell folks that I sent Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>a video because I am vacillating, Jonathan as time gets

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the final day to vote, between feeling good

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<v Speaker 1>and feeling really anxious, feeling excited and feeling really depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I watched this video of this white woman

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<v Speaker 1>in Davidson, I think Davidson County in Tennessee, where you are,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had just finished early voting. She'd gotten into

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<v Speaker 1>her car and she'd burst into tears because in her

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years of living in Tennessee and voting, is never

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<v Speaker 1>experienced the type of lines and packed parking lot and

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<v Speaker 1>she was just beside herself. I wanted to get your

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<v Speaker 1>reactions to the video and then your own reactions to

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<v Speaker 1>having voted already in Tennessee and just give us like

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of the experience that you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's funny, I actually haven't voted yet, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you haven't voted yet. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I went and the line was like around the block

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<v Speaker 2>nine times, So actually had to get back to my

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<v Speaker 2>day job. Like that woman in the video. Early voting

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<v Speaker 2>is usually like ten minutes, and I got there and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, oh my god, So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go back again today. So it's interesting, right, we're in

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<v Speaker 2>a really we're in such an information vacuum right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's so unprecedented. All the modeling we have doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>account for anything that's happening now, Like are people being

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<v Speaker 2>honest with the polls or are they hiding from the polls?

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<v Speaker 2>What will be the effect of Kamala Harris engaging Liz

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<v Speaker 2>Cheney And how are people going to respond to that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well this push Elon Musk is saying he will reproduce

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<v Speaker 2>with your wife if you vote, or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's just like all these weird things and

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<v Speaker 2>all of it is so it's all so unprecedented, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I understand that everybody's then focusing on their own

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<v Speaker 2>their own world. Right in Tennessee, I've never seen more

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<v Speaker 2>people vote than or talk about it or engaged. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been having a lot of the candidates come to my

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<v Speaker 2>class and they're saying the same thing. So I guess

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<v Speaker 2>the question is what I liked about that video? As

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<v Speaker 2>the woman said, we've been jerrymandered out of existence. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I feel like. People really felt like their vote

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<v Speaker 2>didn't matter, and now people feel like their vote matters,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's kind of like trying to fight back

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<v Speaker 2>against jerrymandering.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, wait, hold on, because I don't want you. I actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually I'm going to shrink you for a moment

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<v Speaker 1>because I actually don't want you to dive into posing

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<v Speaker 1>a question. I want to ask you, like, in all seriousness,

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<v Speaker 1>how does it feel? How has it felt? And how

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<v Speaker 1>have the candidates that have visited your classes and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all remarking in the same way that they've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>lines in this manner that they've never seen people or

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<v Speaker 1>heard people in conversation about voting. How does that actually feel?

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of where we think that these people are voting

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<v Speaker 1>or who they're voting for, what does the actual experience

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<v Speaker 1>feel like?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd sell you what it has felt like for the

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<v Speaker 2>past decade here. Is that member in the cartoons when

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<v Speaker 2>somebody would get run over by the steamroller and then

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<v Speaker 2>they're just like a flattened pancake on the road. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what it's felt like to be a Democrat here for

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<v Speaker 2>the past ten years. It's just there's something about germandering,

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of gearmandering that we see in Tennessee. It

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<v Speaker 2>does two things. First, it makes it you feel like

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<v Speaker 2>your vote doesn't matter, because everything is so incredibly predetermined

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<v Speaker 2>that you know you're voting out of a civic duty,

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<v Speaker 2>but your vote doesn't count in a way. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>just not not just for presidential elections, I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>for everything. But the other thing about jerymandering is that

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<v Speaker 2>it pushes the party in power. There's no checks and

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<v Speaker 2>balances on the party in power, so it pushes them

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<v Speaker 2>into what we see now, which is just pornographically obscene

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<v Speaker 2>right wing extremist and this is probably be true whoever

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<v Speaker 2>is in power, but it's like when there's no natural competitor,

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<v Speaker 2>the rush is to go more extreme. And so in

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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee we've had these terrible mess shootings, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>party in power lets eighteen year olds walk down main

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<v Speaker 2>Street with AR fifteen's without any training or regulation or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. So I guess in a way, what

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing is this a moment of the natural limits

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<v Speaker 2>of germandering, which is that the extreme nature then pushes

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<v Speaker 2>back toward the center, which is what's nice about it's

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<v Speaker 2>happening here in Tennessee. But I also want to just

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<v Speaker 2>be clear, we've had the renaissance of a whole new

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<v Speaker 2>kind of political engagement here in Tennessee, which I never

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<v Speaker 2>thought i'd see was Covenant Moms after the Covenant School

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<v Speaker 2>shooting here, who were Centrists or Republicans who were just

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<v Speaker 2>sick of the stance on guns. But that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>broadened out to voting rights. Obviously, abortion is a huge, huge,

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<v Speaker 2>huge issue here, and so I'm curious to see. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you hear me being a little hesitant, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>because I've gotten my hopes up before, but this, somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>this feels different. There is something, there's something happening here

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<v Speaker 2>that I would pay attention to. Trump's going to win

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<v Speaker 2>the presidential race. But everything else is just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have got Gloria Johnson here, We've got the just Times.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing a huge event here about guns in next week.

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<v Speaker 2>There's real activity here that is part about people being

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<v Speaker 2>sick of the extreme nature of some of this. Part

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<v Speaker 2>of it is that we've had a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>move here from other parts of the country who are

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<v Speaker 2>not as extreme. So I would keep your eye on

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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is one of the reasons why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>asking one. I think that your kind of description of

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<v Speaker 1>gerrymandering is exactly the point. It is to squeeze out

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<v Speaker 1>any hopefulness and any belief that you have any power, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's like what has happened in Tennessee, what's happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas is a microcosm of what Republicans want to

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<v Speaker 1>do nationally. Your vote doesn't count. You squeeze out the hopefulness,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people feel just depressed. The voting becomes depressed,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're able to literally get away with murder. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that what is happening, what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>in Tennessee, what we saw with the early voting as

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<v Speaker 1>the day started in North Carolina, in Georgia last week,

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing these historic numbers that are superseding twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>by doubling the numbers from twenty twenty. And look, people's

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<v Speaker 1>hopes get up and they get down. That's just the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of being human. But I think that denying ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>in this moment an opportunity to feel hopeful and allow

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<v Speaker 1>that hopeful energy to spurn us forward. Like I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that also is really necessary and important, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want people to be like, well, I've had

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<v Speaker 1>my hopes let down before. Yeah, you're human, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. But I think that it's really encouraging to

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<v Speaker 1>look at and for you, you know, from your first

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<v Speaker 1>hand experience, to be like, yeah, early voting here usually

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<v Speaker 1>in and out because nobody's doing it, and now you're

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<v Speaker 1>having to go back a second day to vote. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that means something. What do you think I mean, Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that abortion is very big there, but we

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<v Speaker 1>know because of the Covenant shooting and because of what

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<v Speaker 1>the legislature did by trying to quiet these mothers, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to quiet any type of action, trying to censure and

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<v Speaker 1>kick out the two Justins from the state House who

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<v Speaker 1>were duly elected and then forced to do a special

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<v Speaker 1>election and then censured again. I think that the egregious

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<v Speaker 1>action that has been taken against the Tennessee three, and

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the two young black men, the Justins, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that that is playing out in this early

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<v Speaker 1>voting that you're seeing, Like, how do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>the civic engagement? Do you think it is at all

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<v Speaker 1>connected with what folks have experienced by watching what Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>have tried to do with this group.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just the bad treatment they got, it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>what they tapped into and mobilized. I mean, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a grounds well, there's a strong progressive streak here. There

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<v Speaker 2>are many many young people who have felt left out,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think what they were tapping into before they

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<v Speaker 2>were censured, before all that stuff, was they mobilized in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that we thought was not possible. There was

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<v Speaker 2>just such a feeling of helplessness here, honestly, that these

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<v Speaker 2>shootings were going to keep happening, that this stuff was

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<v Speaker 2>going to keep happening, and so they kind of modeled

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of fighting back in a way that I

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<v Speaker 2>think was very timely and very empowering. And part of

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<v Speaker 2>the story with Tennessee in a lot of other places

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<v Speaker 2>is there's also a profound old guard. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>just drove to work here and I just rushed in

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<v Speaker 2>to speak for our conversation because I was in traffic

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<v Speaker 2>for an hour. But I could have ridden my bike.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have taken me twenty minutes. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>transit bill on the docket here, but there's tremendous resistance

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<v Speaker 2>from kind of people who are like, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>my tax dollars doing that. There are a zillion Trump

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<v Speaker 2>signs here and a zillion Harris signs here, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. But

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<v Speaker 2>it does feel like something has been tapped into here

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<v Speaker 2>that is hopefully something that's going to spread and go national.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hope that it does as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I get the tempered like emotions that folks

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<v Speaker 1>are having right now with two weeks to go, I

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<v Speaker 1>know that I am vacillating with a lot of emotion.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said at the top, I think that it's

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<v Speaker 1>all like hitting me that like either this is the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of something of a new era of democracy or

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<v Speaker 1>it's the end of democracy, like there is no in between.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that the stakes and now that the

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<v Speaker 1>time has arrived where people are already voting, that it's

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<v Speaker 1>starting to like hit me that in a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks this country could be profoundly changed.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And in a way that's why, I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 2>all so I've been doing four different stops on my

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<v Speaker 2>lecture tour a week in addition to my day job

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<v Speaker 2>and working with campaigns and stuff like that, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it does feel like these are, on one hand, the

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<v Speaker 2>two most important weeks. You know, these are the two

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<v Speaker 2>most important weeks. So you can't. You can't let down now,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does feel like everything's at stake, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just watching I'll be in Pennsylvania tomorrow. I'm going tonight

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<v Speaker 2>to Pennsylvania, and so I'm really curious to see what

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<v Speaker 2>the mood of all of this is. It's just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. There's again so many variables and if you

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<v Speaker 2>could ever design in a system to keep people engaged,

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<v Speaker 2>like def gone one, this is kind of where we're at.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that this is right, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that it's fair to say that these two weeks are

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<v Speaker 1>the most important because it is when I mean, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be voting in New York on Friday, when early voting starts.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be actually the first time that I'm early voting.

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<v Speaker 1>I usually have been very old school about the process

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<v Speaker 1>and have stayed, you know, to election day. But I

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<v Speaker 1>am not going to be able to do that because

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<v Speaker 1>I will be working and I don't want to let me.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask you because in a way, what's also interesting about

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<v Speaker 2>this election, there is some kind of like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the revenge of the forgotten Gerrymander voter or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you do kind of see a flip side in

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<v Speaker 2>New York of what's happening in Tennessee. Obviously not exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>but in New York, a lot of Republicans felt like

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<v Speaker 2>their vote was didn't matter because it was such a

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<v Speaker 2>blue state. But it feels like in New York, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a question, they've found their hook, which is

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<v Speaker 2>immigration and crime to get people who felt like their

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<v Speaker 2>vote didn't matter. We're kind of right wing people from

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<v Speaker 2>Staten Island or Long Island or something like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>so control of the Congress could go through New York,

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<v Speaker 2>and so New York in a way, you're seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>almost a mirror image of what's happening here in Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 2>but the opposite where people there's an issue that has

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<v Speaker 2>gotten people to kind of fight or take it back

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. In a way, we're seeing like

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<v Speaker 2>the reverberations maybe of germandering or I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>how to put it, but it does seem interesting that

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<v Speaker 2>there are these two processes playing out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the fact is, and it doesn't matter because

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<v Speaker 1>facts don't matter in this time and age, is that

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<v Speaker 1>New York has had the lowest crime rate that it

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<v Speaker 1>has had in decades. So for people it is the

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<v Speaker 1>fear mongering, which is how we ended up with a

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<v Speaker 1>crooked ass mayor in Mayor Adams, former cop who is

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<v Speaker 1>a grifter and a cheat and a liar to come

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<v Speaker 1>into power by saying that crime crime, crime in New

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<v Speaker 1>York is skyrocketed, and none of that has been true,

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<v Speaker 1>None of it is true. And by giving police more

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<v Speaker 1>power here, which is what he's done, and increased their

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<v Speaker 1>budgets which were already ballooned to disgusting places, there have

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<v Speaker 1>been more shootings by police in New York City. So

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, while sure, where I am from out

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<v Speaker 1>eastdal Long Island is definitely very red, but I remind

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<v Speaker 1>people constantly that that was not the experience for more

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<v Speaker 1>than half of my life. Is that where I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up had always been a democratic stronghold for like middle class,

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<v Speaker 1>lower middle class, working class people, the teachers, the firefighters,

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<v Speaker 1>the police officers, the you know, the small business owners.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that is the area that I grew up in,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has become republican. So to me, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>anything that was democratic that's become republican can make a

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<v Speaker 1>return again with the right kind of candidate, the right voice,

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<v Speaker 1>and the right infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>But also like you know, we're seeing a moment now

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<v Speaker 2>where the whole game of politics is finding people who

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<v Speaker 2>will tribalize on your behalf and who will vote unflinchingly

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<v Speaker 2>for filling the blank as a wedge issue, the issue

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<v Speaker 2>itself almost as secondary because nobody's really I mean, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>what I like about THEIRS campaign is like they're actually

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<v Speaker 2>going to fix the problems if they win, or address them.

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<v Speaker 2>But for the most part of the game of politics

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<v Speaker 2>is getting people to vote for your thing as a

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<v Speaker 2>wedge issue. I mean, I see it with guns, like

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's taken anybody's gun, but this fear that people will

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<v Speaker 2>vote because Libs are going to come take their guns.

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<v Speaker 2>It just mobilizes base and it puts you in a tribe.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've seen that I think in New York. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I'll be really interesting to see what happens

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<v Speaker 2>in New York with these myths and all these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of things. But there's a lot of stake in your state.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, there's going to be a lot at I think

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<v Speaker 1>that if there's anything that we can learn from the

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<v Speaker 1>last nine years of politics is that there isn't good

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<v Speaker 1>We're never going to go back to a time when

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<v Speaker 1>elections we can say that elections don't matter, that like

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<v Speaker 1>we can just kind of rest on our laurels and

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.479
<v Speaker 1>the machine is going to run itself. I think that

0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 1>people are finally really conscious and waking up to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that, like, I need to have a voice and

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<v Speaker 1>participate in my elections state, local, and federal, because if

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, if I look away, then I have book

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<v Speaker 1>bannings that are happening at the school level. I have

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<v Speaker 1>cities that are allowing, like you said, eighteen year olds

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<v Speaker 1>to walk around with ar fifteens. I have all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things that I have judges that are being put

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<v Speaker 1>in place that are magified, right, Like, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>people are recognizing, oh, we can't just kind of vote

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<v Speaker 1>every four years and hope for the best.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, let me add, I mean, how many people

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<v Speaker 2>do you know in New York that get their healthcare

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<v Speaker 2>from the Affordable Care Act?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so if Trump wins, they're going to destroy

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<v Speaker 2>the Affordable Care Act. They have messaging people, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if I was in New York, I'd be out there

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<v Speaker 2>in Staten Island telling people they are going to lose

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<v Speaker 2>their healthcare. I mean, there are things that will happen

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<v Speaker 2>that it's not like red state blue state separation, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, most Blue states depend on the Affordable Care Act.

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<v Speaker 2>If Trump sinks that, it will be a massive guided

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<v Speaker 2>missile directed at the heart of blue states. And so

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<v Speaker 2>this is what drives me crazy about even with respect

0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.880
<v Speaker 2>all this, like people in Michigan are going to lose

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<v Speaker 2>their healthcare. People are going to lose their healthcare. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's I don't know, Let's get through

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<v Speaker 2>the next two weeks and then we'll go on a

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<v Speaker 2>beach somewhere sip a cocktail or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not because I feel and I'll you know, i'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you the last word. But my it's like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get through the next two weeks. But then depending on

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<v Speaker 1>what happens in the next two and a half weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>the time between then and inauguration, I'm very concerned about.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think I told you before, like I

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<v Speaker 2>think of the guy in the third year of the

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<v Speaker 2>One Hundred Years War who said, I can't believe this

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<v Speaker 2>thing is lasted three years already. You know, we're in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of something. We don't know how long. It's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, here's my last question for you. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to be for Halloween?

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately I was going to be dressing up with my

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<v Speaker 1>god daughter, but now I am summoned to DC for.

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<v Speaker 2>Work, so oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I will not be there. So yeah, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to be?

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody can steal this out in our listening audience. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be slutty Moodang now I'm just kidding. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I haven't thought about it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God. All right, Well, when we come back next week,

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell us what the decision is. Okay, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, and good luck on your continued lecture tour

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<v Speaker 1>and series. Talk to those people in those red states.

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<v Speaker 1>Let them know what they're gonna lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we appreciate you hanging everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it for me today, dear friends on Woke

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<v Speaker 1>A app as always power to the people and to all

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<v Speaker 1>the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.