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Well, what happened is 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.240 Steve usually or any of us will look at whoever 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.360 we want to call out. Second, and he shifted his 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.240 eyes to me and then quickly to Devon, no, I 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.160 looked at the gun on the wall. He was looking 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.640 at you, but pointing at me. It was just yeah, okay, 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.320 so let's do this again for the world. I am Steve. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.600 I am joined by Joe and Devin. There we go. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.920 The confusion was I looked upwards and not at one 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.200 would think we haven't been doing this for five years. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.680 Act has never happened. It has, but I think we 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:04.160 cut it out. Okay, Well, listen, hey, we're as always 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.360 going to talk about a mystery this week, but this 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:12.040 week it is extra extra special because we are gonna 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:21.440 talk about everyone's favorite cryptid. So, as always, this is 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.280 a listener suggestion, but the CHUPI has been suggested by 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.680 each and every one of you at some point. So 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.840 just imagine I'm saying your name right now. Yeah, here 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.720 it is. Yeah, that was your name right there in 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.960 the blank spot. Yea, and our heart was saying your 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:41.200 name and um, now hey before Normally what we do 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.440 is we jump right into the story, but we're not 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.440 going to do that because listen, there is some important 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.120 information that we want to share with you news about 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.480 the show, but we're going to save that to the 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.560 very very end. And for those of you who are 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.760 chronic fast forwarders, once the theory section is closed, don't 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.920 do that. Listen. We've been shaming for years for doing that, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.640 but stop doing that, but today especially, don't do it. Yeah, don't. Okay. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:13.760 So that having been the covered, shame dolled out appropriately, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:19.840 let's talk about our dear friend Choopy. By the way, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.760 did did I forget to mention this is our five 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.720 year anniversary? Did it? Is? I did forget? Because forget 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.160 it's our anniversary. We forgot the anniversary here in the doghouse. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.280 Mr Well, I forget to mention it, not that I 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:37.960 forgot it? What about this, Joe? Stop it? Okay, So 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.680 let's talk about our dear dear friend, the choopy. Yeah, 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.240 so the start of the beginning. The Chupacabra is a 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.720 cryptid that was originally and by that I mean originally 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:55.160 cited in the late seventies or early eighties in that 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.680 region of north to central I guess, to the north 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:04.040 to Sound in America, which ranges from Texas down to 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:09.040 um to Mexico. So those are the would be North America. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.160 Is it still technically North America not Central America? No, no, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.919 Texas is not Centralphy has never been my my strong 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:21.920 suits coologize. Okay, Well, the point is is that our 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.120 little buddy was sited in that region, and at the 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.000 same time, this little cryptid had also been sited on 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.960 the island of Puerto Rico's not so little in some settings. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.880 We'll get there, we'll get there. Don't jump ahead for 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.359 those of those you who don't know though, Puerto Rico 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.440 if you're not up on your nation's in geography and 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.320 all good, good information. State in Mexico right now. It's 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:51.360 part of America. Is important. It's technically part of the 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.640 United States. It's one of the many Caribbean islands run 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.800 kind of southeast from the tip of Florida towards southeast 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:04.360 towards south of Erica. Now today, officially, as we're recording this, officially, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:09.360 Puerto Rico is an unincorporated U. S territory, and that 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.640 information that that status will play into the story later. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.599 But I will say that I just heard something that 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:20.800 in there's another vote on the books to make Puerto 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.160 Rico the fifty first state. So maybe that will alleviate 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.680 some of the tension that we're going to talk about. Yeah, 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.560 I don't, but as of today, don't don't send us 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.200 an email. In a year and a half, there's a 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.440 state you do do do fiz is No, we don't 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:38.000 know that yet. Okay. So during the seventies and the 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:42.720 eighties when the initial Chuby sidings happened to be went 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.760 by the name of l Vampiro de Moca, which is 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.839 the vampire of Mocha, and Mocha is a small town 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.800 in Puerto Rico, yep. Also a delicious drink you can 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.760 occasionally be. Yes, I haven't known to consume one of 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.640 those spelled differently, but yeah, there's the is also that. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.880 And while Chupy hadn't been cited, his handiwork, of course 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:10.480 had and that handiwork was livestock like sheep or goats 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.960 or chickens or family pets had all been found dead 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.000 and most notably drained of their blood. And I'll be 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.400 honest at this point that I don't know if in 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.440 the seventies and the eighties the signature mark of the 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.600 Chupa cabra was present or not. But that signature mark 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.960 is a three whole, a triangular shaped set of holes 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.919 in the neck of the animal with the point of 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.640 the triangle pointing down. So each of those, what's the 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.719 the three points? Imagine? Do you imagine that the apex 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.000 is by the way, but a creater with like two 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.040 fangs on the top and just one thang in the 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:54.120 middle of something like that. That's kind of scary. How 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:59.120 that noise? Yeah, I thought that was that's the noise. Actually, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.280 that is way better than the noise that I heard 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:06.080 on the internet for the Chupacabra. It was terrible. We'll 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.760 we'll get George put in place. So the Chupacabra, though, 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:14.040 did not become a household name until he was on 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:20.280 the TV reality show road Rules in I thought, I 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.400 thought back further than that. Well, actually, okay, so a 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.560 Choopy wasn't on road Rules on MTV the first year 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.560 it came out, but Choopy did go back farther, but 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:37.840 Chuopy did become a household name in And that is 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.760 the year that more and more people started to see 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.200 and learn about a little Crypti Bud. The official and 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.240 I'm going to use air quotes here, the official original 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:52.960 sighting unquote took place in in Puerto Rico, and it 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.680 was when a woman named Madeleine Tolentino saw this strange 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.080 creature outside of her home run one night, and she 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.360 started telling everybody about it. So what did the critter 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:09.600 that she saw look like? Of course? Yeah, yeah, but well, okay, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.400 so I'm going to tell you what she said she saw, 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.160 and then I'm going to have to tell you all 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.200 the other versions of what the chupa cabra looks like. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:23.680 Because the chupacabra has evolved over time, as all creatures do, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.000 it's just in a very short amount of time. Unlike antrobiology, 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.480 the sightings are after dark, after all, that woul account 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.080 for some of this probably, yeah, and and and to 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.600 be fair here, um, you know, we're talking about official 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.520 sightings named the chupacabra or it's known predecessor, the Vampire 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:45.160 of Mocha. But realistically, there have been reports of cryptids 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.680 that are like this dating back millennia basically, right, I 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.440 mean there are there's been tribal stories and things like 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:56.480 that about the creatures. Nowhere they're nowhere near is concrete, right, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.360 That's and that's why I say the kind of a genus. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.320 It's kind of unique in that there's there's stories going 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.400 back of animals being drained of blood. But there's no consistency. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:12.360 This is where suddenly a consistency of loosely granted, but 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.760 a loose consistency of what the creater looks like it 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.520 starts to happen. I just want to make sure that 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:23.080 people know it wasn't like chupacabra sprung fully formed. I agree, 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:31.320 but there in the American history Western sphere history true. Yeah, Okay, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.800 So what what Madeline's siding said the creature looked like 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.400 was that the creature was several feet tall, had large 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:43.320 eyes and spikes or spines depending on the version, running 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.360 down the length of its back. And so basically what 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:51.280 she described was a large upright lizards slash bug eyed 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:56.040 alien creature. The arms that they were longish, know, more 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.400 than you would expect on a normal proportioned creature of 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:04.280 this plan it, and the arms ended in hands that 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:09.200 had large sharp claws on them. Okay, So that's that's 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.360 the general gist of her description, and that took off 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:18.000 like wildfire, and suddenly more and more and more people 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.640 around Puerto Rico began to say that they had seen this, 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:27.520 and suddenly choopy fever was everywhere. Did did they say 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:34.520 anything about the eyes are in the beginning they were 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:39.800 big eyes, but nothing about the color initially. The color 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.400 seems to come in later and later. But but basically 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.920 what happens is that she tells the story, it gets 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.800 on the news, and choopy fever takes off. So take that, John, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:55.280 Paul Ringo and George, you guys suck the picture by 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.680 the end anyway, true, true, But this this creature has 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:03.400 no fur, are very little for on its body. And yeah, 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.040 well then the scaling scene is kind of gray maybe green, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.640 which is very weird, and that makes sense for that area, well, 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.240 it kind of does. But and the other thing is 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.760 that it doesn't have Okay, so the hands, the description 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.760 of the hands morph. They go from what we would 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.480 consider a normal hand with five fingers to a hand 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.520 that is yeah, mad graining style hand where it's only 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:33.440 got three fingers total including the thumb. Graining has three 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:38.640 fingers plus. That's fair, that's fair. Okay, So it's no no, okay, 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.000 So if we're gonna say it's got a thumb, it's 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.760 got two fingers and a thumb, okay, with dinosaur the 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.360 hind of dinosaur esque, that's not we're there yet, not 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:53.280 there yet back all right, so that is what Magdalene's 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.560 initial version sort of evolved too. But from there the 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.200 chiope of cobra changed form and he began to evolve 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:05.480 in more and more descriptions. The chupacabra became a strange 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:10.439 kind of upright lizard creature that then became some sort 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.839 of naked or bald kangaroo like creature like the big 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.199 giant hoppy legs, but at the same time had wings 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:23.680 like weirdly little or medium sized, leathery bat style wing 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.760 where they you know, flight and docing or really too 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.800 little for flight. They appeared to be flight inducing or 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.120 at least gliding wings because somebody reported that the chupacabra 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.560 flew out of the trees and attacked them as they 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:40.360 were running away, kind of like Ingrid. What's that guy 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.600 from years ago, the story we did Ingrid Cold? Yeah, yeah, 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.760 something like that. But yeah, I mean it could kind 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.920 of gliding wings. Maybe you can't actually fly, but he 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.520 can glide, right, So flying squirrel doesn't actually fly and glide, 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.080 so it's the same theory as it's kind of a 0:12:55.080 --> 0:13:00.520 gliding chupicabra, right, okay later, sorry, And wings that are 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:07.160 separate from arms, right, correct, correct the yes. From there, 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.960 the creature would move moreph again into something that is 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.720 more of a dog like form. And sometimes this dog 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.040 would stand on two legs. Sometimes it would stand on four. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.520 When it was on four, it could be standing up 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.640 to four ft high. You know, a four ft tall 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.719 dog is a big dog. Yeah. And now if it's 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.679 a dog standing up on its hind legs and it's 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.360 four ft high, well that's your average you know, chihuahua 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.400 on steroids, so that's not so big. But still yeah, 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.840 I know I'm joking. Don't give me that look, but 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.640 it's it's it's still a big critter if it's upright, 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.600 Because not a lot of dog shaped animals, well not 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.599 a whole lot of animals in this world are bipedal, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.480 So you can see why this story is kind of 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.960 really gets people going. But that's not the only version. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.079 There is yet another version of the chooper crop. But 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.480 that says it is more monkey like and it has 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.560 a lot of hair, or at least it has a 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.840 lot of hair on its arms, So that might account 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.240 for more of the flying out of the trees on 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.440 somebody like, less flying and more jumping to land on 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.800 a person because it just flings behind them and looks 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.520 like yeah. Well and listen, monkeys are known to jump 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.200 out of trees onto people or things. If they don't 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.040 like you, they will jump on you and slap you, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.840 or if they like you, they'll jump on you and 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.400 love you. Yeah. It's kind of a weird, like confused 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.600 with the message. Yeah, I'm just saying I don't know 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.960 which is better, but well, it depends on your your 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.080 perspective on monkeys. I'm not sure I want to be 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:48.680 loved by monkey, but anyway, that's okay, okay. Uh, there's 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.160 the matter of the chipper coppers tail. Sometimes that tail 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.480 is short, sometimes that tail doesn't exist at all, and 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.840 sometimes that tail is kind of long and spike. So 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.200 it's it's pretty clear from the evidence that is a 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:08.600 shape shifter to a degree I'm not going to disagree with. Actually, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.440 I would say so that's that could be one of 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.560 the reasons that and maybe I should be talking about 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.280 this could be one of the reasons that we haven't 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.600 proven its existence yet. Uh, you know, and you might 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.480 want to hang onto that that's actually not in the 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.120 right up section for the theories, but we can hang 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:27.520 onto that for theories if you want. Okay, yeah, all right, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.440 I promised to try. Let's see what else have we 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.640 got in commonality. Oh well, this is what Devon brought 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.560 up earlier, the eyes of the chip of Cabra. So 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:41.280 in the beginning they were large eyes, but now more 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.680 and more often they are large red almost kind of 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:49.000 red glowing eyes. Have you ever seen those photos of 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.560 like big cats at night when somebody sharing the spotlight 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.720 on them and their eyes suddenly light up in that 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:59.760 mirror red creepy way. Yeah, well, yes they do. But 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.520 what I don't know is if it's that kind of 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:07.400 light up or if it's the space alien giant you know, 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:12.960 like hands size, massive eyeball and a reflection it actually 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.600 does go out correct? Correct? Does this alien have LEDs 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.080 in its head? Or is it just the ambient light reflecting? 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.240 I don't know which one it is, uh now. I So, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:24.960 by the way, this is one thing that I really 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.520 so when I was looking at all of the description 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.680 of the chupy it got very very confusing. One of 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.560 the things that I really really liked was if you 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.160 go out to the crypti wiki and you search the 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.600 Choopa Cabra there's a series of illustrations, all kind of 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:47.400 side by side, and while they're conceptual drawings, they really 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.600 kind of help put into perspective of the difference between 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.360 one to the next. So if you want to see that, 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.800 I'd recommend going to the Crypti wiki and checking that 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.040 out because that help out a lot. I've always actually 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.120 kind of had, among other ages, a Scupi in my head. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.880 I've always kind of pictured him as like being dressed 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.399 in a trench cut with a wide rim fedora soho 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.720 al capone, al capone more, just like like a film 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.320 noir guy, kind of film noir kind of spike, kind 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:17.600 of like you know, James Jesus Angleton. Yeah, I'd never 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.440 really thought of Chupy in that way. Yeah, that's not 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.080 how I think of him either. Do you think about 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.040 in Devon so we're talking about descriptions, Yeah, I think more. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.040 I think like a kind of version of a Scaly 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.480 slash Harry kind of thing. I don't know. I mean, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.639 I like the original description of you know, scaly with 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.600 the spikes, but I also for some reason think of 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.960 him as like cuddly and furry. I don't have a 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.480 good time reconciling I kind of am in this this 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.679 shape shifter camp. My favorite, my favorite description or my 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.199 favorite visual of the chupy is the one that we 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:54.240 put on the Nightlight years ago. Yeah, hamster with the 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.359 the scary claws and the knife and the wings, like, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.640 that's my favorite description. But of course that's because that's 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.320 the way I see it, and so I was able 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.080 to visualize it. Ye. Well, let's get there's still by 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.400 the way. Don't forget though, We've still got more description 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.240 stuff to talk about here. Okay, so you remember we 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.720 talked about the hands went from five finger to less 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:18.160 graining and more three fingers style. Well, depending on your 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:24.359 opinion of thumbs, yes, digits perfect. Well, those digits seem 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:28.119 to be to blame for the next the holes that 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.520 are found in the necks of choppy praying instead of teeth. Yes, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.920 yeah to a degree. Yeah, like that seems to be 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:37.840 you know, have you ever okay, so, have you ever 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.560 gone to get a to go drink and the lid 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.000 has a little plastic bit but you've got to actually 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.879 put your finger in it to open it like a 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.760 coffee like it took coffee that kind of thing. Yeah, 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.040 and then you scream and shout about how much we'll 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.960 think about what Choppy has to do. He's got to 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.199 do the same thing to the neck of a critter 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.560 to get his meal. So he's always angry at them 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.439 because it's it burns him and they're biting at you know. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.800 That's why they give you straws. You're not supposed to 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:12.440 use your finger, use a straw or like in this stage. Yeah, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.679 I mean, so he used the coffees to her or something. 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.560 Go on, do you like a human listen? I've been 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.240 relying on you people to help me consume food like 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:28.120 a normal human being. Crawls that you use a tool. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:33.480 Oh okay, So that aside. The real thing is that 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.760 the story appears to be that maybe Chupy is holding 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.560 his fingers and he is jabbing into the neck of 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:43.280 it and then and then immediately going to it and 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:47.600 sucking all of the fluid out of creature, which at 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.400 a substantial amount of which is very vampiric. Is there 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.960 blood dribbles to suggest that well there's blood? I mean, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.680 you know, I mean, is there're enough that it would 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.040 be like poke? I guess I gotta put my mouth 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.520 on it now. Yeah, I don't think that he's trying 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.040 to be the little Dutch boy and stem the flow. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.479 I think he might be trying to be the exact 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.440 opposite and increase the flow with pressure, that kind of pressure. Okay, Yeah, 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.600 he might even actually grabbing his pot in his paws 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.240 and give him a good squeeze. He's giving them a hug. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.639 He's giving them a hug in their final moments to 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:25.320 make them comfy. Does anybody believe that? Okay, okay, let's 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.640 move forward. Then, so we've already established why there might 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.760 be this vampiric element because of the stabbing and then 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.240 the lack of blood. What I find really really funny 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.040 about the name choo Pacabra, of course, is that when 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.640 you translate that to Spanish, because that's where it came from, 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:46.080 it directly translates to goats sucker, as in the sucker 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.720 of blood of goats. But what I really love is 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.359 that goats are I mean, that infers that all the 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.479 chacabra is after his goats, but it's farm animals like 0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:00.880 sheep and chicken or dogs or all these others are 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:05.480 also seemed to be prey. So it's a bit of 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.440 a mishnoms no no, it's it's not at all. Unusually 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.600 the animal came them for somebody to have a preferred 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.439 for food group. But at the same time, you know, 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.200 when goats aren't available, you gotta you gotta do something. 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.960 You got to eat. I mean, you know, Chap the 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.440 dog or whatever. Yeah. One thing to bear in mind 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.720 is that in Choopy's natural hunting ground usually wild goats, 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.920 but once it becomes urbanized or taken over by farms, 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.560 it's replaced by farm animals, and so he is left 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.159 to hunt whatever he can. Are you thinking that Choppy 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.320 is in an area where fainting goats are natural? Yeah, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.920 that's why. No, I mean no, I'm sorry. I was 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.720 being kind of smart smart ass there, but no, you can. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.240 I mean, you know, there were wild goats everywhere, and 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:52.200 then people came over and you know, started at agriculture 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.000 in that area, and suddenly you gotta hunt other things. 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.240 Come on, man, But luckily, luckily, I guess you never 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.480 started hunting human beings, thankfully. And there are just to 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.760 set the record straight, there are no accounts anywhere of 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.879 a chupa cabra actually attacking, not like these people who 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.680 were chupy jumped on them. That should be appears to 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.399 have jumped on them and that was it. No actual attacks, 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.679 inflicting damage or attempting to feed on a human. So 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:25.320 apparently the long pig is not on the menu for 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.440 the cabra. Well that's because the vampires get the credit 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.200 at that point. They've got like sort of like not 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.280 symbiotic relationship, not not symbiotic, but they just have sort 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.160 of they just they have their own territories. They don't 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.560 they don't intrude, you know, I mean, or they have 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:46.200 their own prey. Yeah, thanks, Yeah, all right, well let's 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.960 keep going up. Oh well, actually that's all I have 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:53.000 for background on the chupa cabra. So essentially, to kind 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.720 of to summit all of that, the little monster can 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:00.679 be taller, short, harrier, bald, have small or large eyes 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.359 that are black or red, have a flat face or 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.680 a long face with big snout. This is a very 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:09.240 concrete description that would hold up in a court of 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.240 law if the little Booker would ever just show up 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.560 in court. I was gonna say, didn't you say that 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.840 this was a concrete example, as we're not not in 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:24.800 centuries past sarca sarcasm it yeah, yeah, the chupys descriptions 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.720 are all over the place. And that's my favorite part 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:29.760 and my least favorite part about this story. It's a 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.320 hard thing, is that, well, which one is it? Is 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.560 it Chupy? Is it the Jersey Devil? Is it this 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:42.880 other thing? Like? Yeah, to a degree, now, um, I 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:47.679 will mention that in the Chupacabra story seems to have 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:51.679 really gained ground in Puerto Rico that then spread to 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:57.040 Central South and North America. That story has now even 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:01.000 gone so far that Chupacabra site. Things are happening in 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:03.760 eastern Europe, by the way. That's from Choopy and the 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:07.280 Aliens band tour, which I believe was the get your 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.680 Goat and why the hell is this so cold here? Tour? 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.919 Oh yeah, that I go Yeah, we all have that shirt. 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.760 So that's but that's that's all we have about the 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.280 story of the choop A Cabra. I find it funny 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.000 that he spread so far, but you know, he's an 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:29.600 industrious little critter that too. Maybe that's why he spread 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:33.200 so far, as he's actually prolific in the reproductive way. 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.080 Maybe you never know, there's that, or it might just 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:39.160 be that he stays on the move to to avoid 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:43.879 contact with human beings, kind of the gypsy lifestyle stuff. 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.399 Maybe that too. Well, let's uh, we've we've finished up 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.879 all of the basic descriptions, so let's talk about the 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:54.240 theories about the chiop Cabra. But before we do that, 0:24:54.640 --> 0:25:02.960 let's take a quick break. Hey, Devon, do you like running? 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.639 You bet? I do, Steve, And you know what I 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.760 love running from the most held? You do? You running 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:12.439 away from the chuppy? Uh? So do you have a 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.080 favorite kind of running, Geared Evan? Why Bomba's socks. Of course, 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:20.360 they're so comfortable with that crazy honeycomb heart support system. 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.520 I know that my feet are getting the support they 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.080 need and they make you look less like a goat, 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:31.560 So the chuppy won't come after you, am I right? Uh? Yeah, sure, Joe. 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.280 Anyway back to this end they were recording, So tell me, Devon, 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.960 is there anything else that you like about Bomba's. Oh, Steve, 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:41.639 there are so many things I like about Bomba's. 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That's Bomba's b O M b a 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.960 s dot com slash Sideways with the promo code sideways 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:10.360 to get off your first order. That's right, because Bomba's 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.480 have been helping people out run chupy since sometime after 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:23.280 the law pass instident. Ay ready, ju ju jube chuo 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:34.200 juo chube juba caa chupacabra. Okay, and we're back. Let's 0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:39.560 talk about theories. WHOA. So, theory number one is that 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.560 the chuba cobra is a dinosaurs one. Well, yeah, yeah, 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:50.159 a long ignored, unobserved dinosaur because this creature is short, 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.920 it's got leathery skin like a lizard, and it's got 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:57.320 spikes on its head and those are running down its back, 0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.320 which is kind of sounds like a stegosaurus to me. Yeah. 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.000 But but if you think about it, though, the problem 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.240 with this theory is that if we're going to look 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.359 at the island of Puerto Rico, there are no large 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.680 lizards that are native to that island. There's some iguanas 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.440 and there's some geckos, but none of them are near 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:18.920 big enough to be what is described as the chio picabra. 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:24.240 Nor do they walk on their hind legs. Yeah, yeah, 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:28.200 lizards sho't typically walk that way. So that's a problem 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.679 and us so about the thing about it is is 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.080 that you know, it could have could have gotten there 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.480 somehow at a ship, say, for example. And we're going 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:39.280 to talk about that because that is that infers some 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:44.360 kind of longevity or past in other places, which I 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.120 would think would be reported on prior to this. But 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.800 we'll talk about in a later theory. But I will 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:55.720 say that the fact that it is unobserved because there 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:59.760 are there are creatures that are old, like some fish 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:04.160 or crocodiles or certain creatures like that that have have 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:10.080 found no reason to change or evolve over the millennia 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.360 that are's basically the same now as they were when 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.560 the t rex was running around. Well, that's the idea 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.080 of this theory, is that the jupicabra is the same 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:23.120 thing it was of a hundred thousand years ago, especially 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:27.200 if it was like you know, like shape shifter. If 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.440 that's what it is, that's the most ultimate coolest adaptation ever. 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.680 So why would it change? Yeah? So okay, well, so 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:36.520 here's the thing is that we're going to go into 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.320 the shape shifter in just a second because I want 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.440 you to flesh that out. But for me, the fact 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:45.280 that if it had been originally on the island of 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:49.840 Puerto Rico for that entire time. It's amazing to me 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.880 if it's just a plane dinosaur, not the shape shifting kind, 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.520 but a plane dinosaur, that it would have gone for 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.360 all of the time that people are on that island 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:04.280 on observed and undescribed in any lord that that to 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:08.200 me is that's awkward or weird or strange. It doesn't 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.760 make sense. Well, it could have been a fluke that 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.360 brought it there. Yeah, I was just gonna say, I mean, 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.680 I think what Joe was saying earlier isn't is worth 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.960 considering that it wasn't always on Puerto Rico. It could 0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:23.760 have come from Central or South America, where there are 0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:27.320 as we have talked about recently, fast swaths of this 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.840 kind of those areas that I just are totally unexplored. 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:34.680 That something like a dinosaur could have existed for thousands 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:39.040 of years, millions of years totally undiscovered, and then somehow, 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.080 you know, managed to get itself wrangled up in like 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:46.440 a timber shipment or something that ended up you know, 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.960 in Puerto Rico. I mean, and then suddenly, because Puerto 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.480 Rico is so much smaller, suddenly and so much more populous. Yeah, 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:55.840 where it came from. I mean, I just think it's 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:59.080 worth No, no, I'm not going to completely discredit it. 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.000 I disagree with it, but I'm not gonna just credit Joe. 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.719 Tell him flesh out a little more. Though. Your shape 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.880 shifter idea, Well, it's not that fleshy really, It's just 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:13.479 it's more leathery. Yeah, it depends on the day. You know. 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.720 I ate a bunch of carbs today, so I'm kind 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.800 of a fleshy shape shifter. But no, I mean, it's 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.360 just it's just this obvious. Uh. And I think, you know, 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.520 indisputable that since the accounts have very so much in 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:28.080 describing the troop of Cabra, that you know, he must 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.240 be a shape shifter, you know. I think it's like 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:33.360 in disputing, one day he looks like an ant eater, 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.760 the next like a monkey, and one day he looks 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:40.760 like Bob from the local tribe. Yeah. Yeah, listen, everybody 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.040 said Bob was a weird looking dude, So I get it. 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:47.080 He had he had a weird craving, he had a 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.120 weird affection for the local goasts. That was that was 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.680 really what set him apart. But that could be also 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.480 it makes him. So elusive is because being a shape 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.320 shifter like he is, and it's like if somebody spots him, 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.960 he can dart away and then just morph into a 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.360 dog or something or a sheep and nobody yeah, or 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:08.920 part of the herd. Yeah, suddenly yeah, suddenly, boom, he's gone. 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.120 And they're like, oh, weird, we there's a there's a 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:17.800 sheep missing from the herd, but we have the right number. Yeah, yeah, No, 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.800 I cannot think if there's I've read books about shape 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.360 shifters before and how they would integrate into society, So 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.720 that's that's not unheard of, and it makes sense. I mean, 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:29.880 I mean, actually, when you come right down to it, 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.400 Choppy could be sitting in this room right now. Yeah, 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:38.000 so let me take off my mask christ for walking. No, 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:42.400 that's not how it actually works. Off my mask, I'm 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.880 Tom Cruise. Yeah, you don't jump on the couch enough 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.840 to be Tom Cruise. Okay, let's move to our next theory. 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:52.360 The next theory is that the chupa cober is actually 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:57.800 some kind of vampiric animal, because remember, you know, the 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.560 chupy is supposedly norious for sucking the blood out of 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:07.120 its victims and that gives the impression that it is Again, 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.200 it is giving the impression that it only is able 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:15.280 to sustain itself on the blood meal of other creatures, 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:19.720 and that would explain why people originally called it the vampire, 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:25.120 the vampire, the vampire of Mocha. Well, there are animals 0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:29.520 on this planet that do partially or entirely survive on 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:34.480 blood meals. So there's leeches, vampire bats, some birds, some bugs, 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.520 even some plants out there that do it. Yeah, but 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.160 there's no evidence. This is the the issue with it 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.040 is that there's not no evidence of anything as large 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:48.600 as a chupacabra, independent of which size version of the 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:53.200 chubacabra you want to adhere to out there that is 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:57.400 surviving on that much blood as it's only food source. 0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.040 But but bear with me here because this the way 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:06.000 I said, that implies that the only food source it 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:11.359 has is blood, which is wrong to presume we don't 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.480 know that. Well, yeah, because there are there are a 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.680 bunch of animals out there that consume blood, but that's 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.879 not the only thing they eat. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.800 I was just gonna say, it doesn't really stand to 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:25.799 reason that an animal that large would be able to 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:29.640 sustain itself just on blood. Blood is very nutritious. Blood 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:34.840 can be very nutritious, but probably not for an animal 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.320 of that size. They have to feed on a lot 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.680 of animals to get the right amount of blood, and 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.120 it wouldn't be a very balanced diet to only drink blood. 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.600 I mean, there are some animals that do. This is 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:49.520 why you put cellery in your bloody Mary, Yeah, but 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.239 it might be that that's kind of this hunting strategy 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.919 is to punks of the animals like herotid arteryy suck 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.680 out enough blood to it loses consciousness and thattic and 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:01.200 like you know, feed and you know consumed the meat part. 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.680 But then why are they finding all the animals that 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:09.200 have the hallmarks of being because because He's interrupted before, Well, 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.800 I was gonna say. The issue is that the blood 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:16.680 sucking is always described as the way that the animal died. 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:21.440 There is no post consumption of the creature. So the 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:25.160 goat has its neck punctured and all the blood is gone, 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.840 but the goat is not torn apart and consumed. It 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.520 is still sitting there whole. But that's just the ghosts 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.680 they find. Correct, Okay, I will get that. But and 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:37.360 but Here's the thing is that if we're going to 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:41.319 say it's a vampiric animal, there are Okay, let's talk 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.440 about the vampire finch, which is a finch on the 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.839 Galapagos Islands. It eats seas and bugs and grubs just 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:52.640 like finches do. The only difference is that in the 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.520 dry season or the season where there's not a whole 0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:59.040 lot of its normal food around, what this particular finch 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.800 does is it goes up and it plucks the tail 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.120 feathers out of bigger birds and creates a wound that bleeds, 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:08.480 and then it feeds on that blood. And apparently you 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.640 will see a line of finches behind a big bird 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.759 and once they've consumed enough, they'll fly away and the 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.120 next one will come up open the wound a little 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:24.760 bit to keep it bleeding and keep consuming. Yeah, but listen, 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.880 there are animals who do this. It is a I 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:31.759 mean leeches, and there's are all kinds of creatures that 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.279 it's a creepy, creepy thing to us as people, but 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:39.320 nature finds a way, so there are animals that do it. 0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:44.080 It's just the scale, well scale, but there is a 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.319 scale thing. But also but still, I mean, I I 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.640 still think as a hunting strategy to suck the blood 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:51.759 to it loses consciousness and then you go up in 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.239 your chow down after that. It could be too that 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.960 lots of lots of chippy victims have been found, but 0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:01.320 they were assumed to be psychioty attacks or other while attacks. Yeah, 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.319 that's true. I guess this is why Joe's not allowed. 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:07.759 That's true. No, I mean the only thing is I 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:12.120 think in like fantasy land theory, the idea of sucking 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.920 blood and tell your victim is you have to have 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.560 you have to have some kind of like mesmerized thing 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.879 to write where the animals not going to fight back 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.080 because like hanging onto an animal. Yeah, you have to 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.799 be really strong and be able to suck blood like 0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:29.920 really really fast, because in reality, if you even if 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:34.319 you puncture like a major artery and animal's gonna immediately 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.040 just fight back really really hard, it would be faster 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:41.520 almost to just like fold the entire neck at or 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.680 yeah something like. Okay, So I'm going to disagree with 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.120 that because I've for some reason, I've been watching a 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:51.239 lot of videos of lions on the planes attacking large Uh, 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.560 what's the what do you call animals with the gazels 0:37:55.040 --> 0:38:00.399 like gazelles, the the the split hoof underlands underlands, and 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:05.040 they grab them, they they're choking them more than anything, 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.040 Like they are opening the veins in their neck by 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.279 biting them, but more often than not, what they're doing 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:15.279 is they're actually choking. But that's the exact same thing 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:19.080 I'm saying, right, that's more efficient, Okay, but it is 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:23.319 possible than in the process of opening these holes that 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:27.919 are bleeding the animal out, they're also cutting off the windpipe. 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:30.880 I'm not in bed with this theory, don't get me wrong, 0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:34.680 but I'm saying that, like, just because this is happening 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.600 doesn't mean something else is happening. But I will tell 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.520 you that there's another larger problem with this whole vampiric angle, 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:45.759 which is that these animals are that are that are 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.720 found or supposedly have been drained of all their blood. 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.960 But we don't know that for sure because one of 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:53.960 the things that we've talked about on the show before 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.319 is liver mortis, which is that process where you know 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.239 your blood is being pushed around the body mortis no 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:04.480 livermore livermore is the blood is being pushed around and 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.080 then once the heart stops, the blood is a liquid, 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.160 so it does what all liquids do. It settles to 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:13.239 the lowest point, the path of least resistance, at which 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:18.000 point it pools and coagulates. So if if a rancher 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.240 comes out and says, oh my god, my prize goat, 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:26.719 Jenny has been killed, well what's happened? And you try 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.360 to cut Jenny open to see what's going on, and 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.920 you kind of expect this spray of blood to happen, 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.560 but that doesn't happen. You go, she's got no blood 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.319 in her. Oh my god, she's been sucked dry. When 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.560 really what's happened is Jenny's blood is all sank to 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.799 whatever the lowest portion of her was and sort of 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:51.239 semi solidified. Well you know, but still you know, intentions 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:55.360 might be to completely exsanguinate the animal, but again it 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.280 gets interrupted and has to scamper off into the darkness 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:00.040 before I can suck all the blood out of it. 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.880 But whatever blood is in Jenny is going to settle 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.360 to Jenny's lowest bits. I just think, you know, Chippy 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.239 is trying to do Rancher as a favor, like they 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:13.359 have to eventually excigminate the body water anyway, So he's 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.880 just like helping them out, Yeah, just trying to make 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:20.680 the meat usable. Yeah maybe maybe. No, I don't like 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.400 this theory at all. Let's no. Yeah, really doing that 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:25.600 to Jenny and the other twenty four Jennifers is just 0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.560 not nice. So let's keep moving on. So we have 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:33.640 another theory, which is that the chupa cabra is an alien. Yeah, 0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:38.839 because what good story wouldn't involve an alien for goodness sake? 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:43.960 Zero exactly. That's not beyond the realm of possibility now, 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:49.120 so you preconsistently see the choopy being just chupacabra. By 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.560 the way, just so people don't get upset, we have 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:56.560 come to call the chupacabra Choopy because he's kind of 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.760 a friendly character to us. But and I keep saying 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:03.000 would be rather than chupa cabra. It's just a natural 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:05.640 automatic reaction because we've been talking about the chupa cobra 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.880 for like five years now. It's really just like calling 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.480 a friend, Jenny In said of Jennifer. Yeah, yeah, so 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:15.360 the twenty seven chupies that we're talking about here are awesome. 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.160 Come on, you know, the song up. Yeah, Yeah, it's 0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:26.040 it's by the December Yeah catalog, yep, exactly. So when 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:29.759 you look up drawings and descriptions of this critter, you're 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.560 gonna find that it's not hard to see why some 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:37.560 people may say that the chupa cobra actually is an alien. 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.600 Some of the drawings it does look pretty. And the 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.759 alien theory kind of explains some things because listen, in 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.759 the seventies and eighties, there was some spot descriptions of 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:49.919 things that sounded like the chupa cabra, but it wasn't 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:54.120 until the mid nineties that it really started taking off. Well, 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:58.279 if the chupa cabra is an alien, that explains why 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.400 it suddenly showed up in the Middle a little the 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.080 Caribbean in the nineties, because it could be that, instead 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:09.040 of being a natural occurring earthlier, Um, what's the word 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:14.680 I'm looking for, terrestrial creature. It's an extraterrestrial in that 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:19.720 this creature suddenly shows up and starts playing havoc here 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.680 in our ecosystems and we're not expecting it. I mean, 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:27.239 it might also explain the vampiric nature, right, I mean, 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:31.160 you know it's possible that creatures from other worlds have 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.160 developed a different physiology, and yeah, they found a blood 0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:38.759 just generally more nutritious. It's like crack. Yeah, and it 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:44.239 literally could be alien crack. So this could be I 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.600 can see a couple of possibilities here. One is that 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.040 like say some aliens land here like eons ago, could 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.680 be centuries, thousands of years ago, and for whatever reason, 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.759 their their ship broke down and they and they were 0:42:55.800 --> 0:43:00.560 stuck here and they wind up basically because I mean imagine, say, 0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.359 for example, if the three of us wind up stuck 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:04.880 in a jungle somewhere, are we going to build a 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.399 new civilization or are we going to wind up living 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.040 a savagery new civilization? Obviously, yeah, of course. But but 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:15.280 these aliens are dumber than we are. There's space traveling dummies. 0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.680 So they wind up, you know, basically foraging and getting 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.560 they're the rednecks in space traveler. Yeah, but they returned. Well, 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.240 I mean a lot of a lot of us really 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.520 don't have the wherewithal too. Most of us could build 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:30.799 a car, Yeah, none of us good and so and 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:35.000 so basically they reserved. They reverted essentially to savagery. Okay, 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.720 after centuries that there's still some descendants to the original 0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.759 Aliens and out there, maybe even more, but there's still 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.279 not huge numbers or anything like that, and they're still 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:46.960 out and about. I'll take you a step further. If 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:52.080 an Aliens dog, Pete they had on their spaceship they 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:54.919 landed and it ran off, ran off, they were like, hush, 0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.760 we got to get out of here. The human puppy 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.759 they're doing well, this sucks. Why do we call you 0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:06.600 fluffy when you have no I don't know, but it's 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:11.960 the language difference. And then it's you know, that explains 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.240 why maybe they might be smart enough for space travel 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.799 but not smart enough to start there. But I will 0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:20.120 I will actually trade change. That is that they may 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.000 they may not be smart enough for space travel, but 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:26.799 they may be some kind of interstellar hitchhiker, but the 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.560 interstellar hitchhiker kind that is not smart enough to bring 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.440 our own towels. Yeah. That's the other thing I was thinking, 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:34.799 is that they're just basically like rats on ships, you know, 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:40.040 here in the in this this world, not this country, 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:44.920 just world enormous, but but cloaked alien ship basically lands 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:47.360 in a few places on the planet and some of 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:49.200 these things just pop off out of the hold or 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.799 wherever they're hiding out in there. Maybe they flush them 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.080 out because they're like, oh god, we have a bed 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.719 bug infestation. The whatever their equivalent of bed bugs is, 0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.920 get rid of it alright, Like the movie Critters, remember 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.839 Critters or a horrible but fun movies. I don't think 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.560 I saw that one. Well, that was from the late 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.200 eighties where they were a little round, hairy things and 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:15.040 they would roll. You need to see that, you'll hate it, okay, 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:18.279 but I need to see more movies like that. But 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:21.040 another possibility, of course, is that the aliens pop by 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.799 and just left these critters off as like kind of 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.040 hunting animals. Essentially, they just wanted to leave them here 0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:29.560 and let them breathe, and they come back and just 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.160 hunt them for sport later on, and maybe who knows, 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.560 maybe they do come back occasionally and hunt up for sports. See. 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:40.160 The problem though, the whole problem, the joy and the 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:45.400 terror that is this theory is that your belief in aliens. 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:49.960 If you believe in aliens, this totally makes sense. If 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:54.280 you don't believe in aliens, this theory is complete and utter. 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:58.640 Pooh absolutely conceded to not believe in aliens. But we 0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:00.920 can go down that route a whole different. Yeah. We 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.160 we've gone down that more than once, and I don't 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.640 think we need to go down it again. I'm sure 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.160 they're around it. The big question is is are they 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.759 visiting Earth or have they? You know, that's that's the 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:14.120 big question. Yeah. I think hitchhiker is a good one. Yeah, okay, 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.560 well let's let's by the way. Yeah, I know, that's 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:19.040 why I said they're not good enough to bring their 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:22.880 own damn powel. All right, let's go to the next theory, 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:26.680 which is that it is a not as I have written, genetical, 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:33.400 but an actual genetic mutation created by question mark exactly 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.520 how it's written out, but probably they've created in the 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:39.399 in the labs that on Plum Island, Oh yeah, yea, 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:43.160 or NASA. So as uh, as you're reading about Chubby 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.080 and the Chubster, you're gonna, you know, you're not going 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.160 to be surprised to learn that there are conspiracy theories 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.959 surrounding the Chub of Cabra. What I was surprised about 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:57.799 was where those conspiracy theories were at, because, as we 0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:02.640 talked about before, Puerto Rico is a it's oh god, 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:06.959 what did we call it earlier? It's a it's an island, 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:12.640 an unincorporated it's an unincorporated state of the United States, 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:16.279 and that is it's a territory. So theoretically that's going 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:21.799 to change soon. But apparently the residence of Puerto Rico 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.080 they don't really like the U. S. Government in ways 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.480 because they feel like they're not treated right, and they 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.200 feel like the U. S. Government is sometimes hiding things 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.920 from them, which I don't disagree with because I think 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.360 the US government is hiding things for me all the time, 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:40.600 so I get that. What happens here, though, is that 0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:45.600 this theory says that this this creature is being hidden 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:50.280 from view and how that's happening or why that happening. 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:54.480 That theory kind of morph or splits into two veins. 0:47:55.360 --> 0:48:00.200 The first vein is that the chupy, the chipicabra is 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:04.920 created by the US government lab. That lab happened to 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:08.359 be on Puerto Rico or the island Puerto Rico, and 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:14.200 that lab was working on genetic manipulation to create new critters, 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:16.840 so sort of like Dolly the sheep, you know, they 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.799 figured out how to clone a critter. So it's in 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:25.239 that same vein research like spliced together various DNA from 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:30.520 various critters goat and a lizard, and you know, I 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.480 don't know an other mean thing. I really want to 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.440 merge this theory with one of the previous theories to 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:40.319 create the what I will now call the Jurassic Park theory. 0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:43.640 That it could be a dinosaur totally resuscitated by the 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:48.600 US government that escaped, so it's a raptor, and it 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.640 could just be some kind of dinosaur that we don't 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.080 necessarily know about. If it's gonna be Jurassic Park, it's 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:55.040 going to be a raptor. Alright, Fine, it's some sort 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.440 of weird wrapper that we don't know about. They created 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.200 lots of difference little dinoas for that for that park. 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:04.680 But it makes me put the best. But it's scariest. 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:06.960 But you know, it may well be that it's it's 0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.280 bigger than this. It wasn't just something that escaped. Actually, 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:11.680 there's a U. S. Government plant who just turned the 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:15.879 entire island of Puerto Rico into Jurassic Park, which makes 0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:18.480 sense actually because the population is leaving there in droves. 0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.879 So it's like, you know, pretty soon it's gonna be empty. 0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.400 Might according to the news coverage, they're all leaving it, 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:28.839 yet everybody still seems to be living there. Yes, but 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:33.080 that's that's the theory, is that the US government created 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.799 this thing. Now it maybe it got out on its own, 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.200 or maybe they intentionally let it loose on the island 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:43.560 to turn it into a giant game park for drawing 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.600 in all the Chinese tourists to to to make money on. 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:51.239 We don't know. This theory, though, also splits because it's 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.440 what we talked about a little bit earlier, is that 0:49:54.880 --> 0:50:01.520 instead the aliens had created this critter, and the aliens 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:06.960 came here, they dumped the chupa cabra onto the island 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:11.359 of Puerto Rico, and from there, of course, the aliens 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:14.719 in the US government, they're in bed together, sleeping on 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:19.399 their casper mattress, and they said, we've got to cover 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:24.160 this up with this giant duvey cover of misinformation. And 0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:26.640 so they pulled up their big old blankie over the 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:30.359 chupa cabra and just said, no, that didn't happen. I don't. 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.399 You don't know what you're happening. I didn't. That could 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:36.040 actually explain some of the incoherences of the descriptions of 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.920 the Chupe of Cabra is that you have your agents 0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.840 actually actually report sightings of the Chupa cabra, but every 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.480 one of them looks a little different or even a 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:48.960 lot different, and that would that would totally destroy the 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:53.760 credibility of the original sightings, the actual real sightings true. Now, Joe, 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.920 I know you're you're a huge fan of always digging 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:01.520 into old historical information on these things. And I know 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:05.080 you came up with you found you came up with this, 0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:09.160 So you found this, got this, dude. But the next 0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:13.239 theory that you shoehorned into my script, well, and I 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:15.640 got this out of a book that in some reacharch 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:19.600 I was doing on the the assassination of Abraham Lincoln 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.960 and all the years because that happened. Yeah, and well 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.880 it did happen eventually. Apparently there were the assassination attempts. 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:30.560 He was controversial, but this was a rather controversial time 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:34.719 in our history. Um passions were running high, very very 0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:39.160 high over the slavery thing and secession all that. But uh, well, yeah, yeah, 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:42.200 he he did not he did. What I was trying 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:44.560 to say is he didn't come into power with this 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:48.040 huge wave of approval. There was all kinds of factions 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.400 that were not happy about him, as his tends to 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.719 be kind of typical of first term presidents. When there's 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:57.799 a sea change, it's uh, you know, even when things 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:01.360 are fairly fairly okay, I mean, think things kind of 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.440 going nuts. People's guy doesn't there or a girl does 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.319 not win that the White House like they thought he 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:10.440 or she should, and everybody goes berserk. But let's get 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:13.640 back to our theory here. So in the eighteen fifties, 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:18.360 before obviously Lincoln became president, the Pakerton Detective Agency was 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:21.840 actually hired by Abraham Lincoln after they repeatedly thwarted an 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:26.640 assassination attempt against him, and he did not Yeah, I 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:29.520 did not know, well I had well, yeah, this is 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.640 part of the theory. I'm not so sure that I've 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:33.799 heard about this one before either, because you know, there 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:36.360 had been a previous one. I don't know, Well, it 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.759 just hasn't been publicized. Let's just say, obviously, they sort 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:43.200 of dropped the ball in the second attempt, you know, yeah, yeah, 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:47.719 well they did. Well. You know you gotta remember about 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.040 the second attempt, though, is that the Civil War was 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:54.080 basically over at that time, so everybody, Yeah, everybody was. 0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:56.000 It was kind of probably kind of thinking, Okay, everybody's 0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:57.680 just gonna go back to their corner and we're all 0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.000 just going to kind of get over everything again. Maybe 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.320 that was it. I don't know, but yeah, the guard 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.319 was down. There was there was a member of the 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:08.400 Pinkerton's who was actually well known for his superior I 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:12.000 don't know his his instincts, I guess, and uh, he 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:15.319 was won by the code named cheap Block Holmes. Really yeah, 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.560 he was a key member of the agency. Yeah, cheap 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:21.799 Block Holmes. And he was kind of funny looking, but 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:24.920 he still had a massive success, right, so he was 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:30.240 accepted and promoted at in a trench coat a lot. Yeah, yeah, 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:32.480 I think that. I think that the hat may have 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:36.880 been a way to draw attention away from his his appearance. 0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:40.040 Yeah yeah, but you know, eventually he came kind of 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:43.759 became disillusion with the organization and left. And rumor has 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.560 it he went south when he left, like towards the 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:51.359 Texas border maybe, uh yeah. And but you know, other 0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:53.560 than that, surprisingly for a guy who spent so many 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:55.439 so much time with the agency, there's not that much 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:59.320 known about him. Uh. And then totally makes sense. Yeah, 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.839 I mean he's spy, right, Yeah, well that's a good point. 0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:04.040 He wants to be kind of an onymous. Yeah, although 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:06.800 you know, if he's out there still, and I assume 0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:10.920 he is, somebody named Arthur Conan Doyle actually actually did 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.840 some research into a time with the Pinkerton's and and 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:17.680 basically ripped it all off and made it into the 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.239 Sherlock Home Stories and made a pile of money on it. 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.080 And so there was a message left left behind, one 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:26.759 last message, coded message left for Allen Pinkerton, who was 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:30.240 the guy who started the Pinkerton Agency. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.680 Code breakers have not yet able to figure figured this 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.919 letter out. But so it said it clear and clear, 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:37.600 it said, what figured this one out? You're a racist 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:42.440 jerk face that. Yeah, but they haven't been able to 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:44.840 figure out what the code was. Yeah, maybe there is 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.719 no code. Maybe that was actually the Well it could 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:49.640 have been. It could and it could have been. Like 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.719 I said, some quoted messages are probably not really code 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:55.600 at all, just meant to just drive people nuts. Yeah. 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:57.480 I think at least one or two of the Zodiac 0:54:57.520 --> 0:55:01.440 messages are actually that way. I actually I totally agree. Yeah, 0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:04.800 I think I do if this is a coded message, 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:09.200 I love the uncoded version because come on, or the 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.440 coded version. So Joe, I'm sorry, what does this have 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:14.080 to do with chop Cabra. Well, Troup Block Holmes is 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.319 believed by some people if peop Block Holmes might have 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:19.560 actually been a chip of cabra in disguise. Okay, yeah, 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:26.960 I mean I homes of course, So whether it's the 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:28.959 super cobra, and we don't know if the chuper cobra 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:31.719 that we that we see today is the same one 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:35.000 from a hundred two hundred years ago. Some creatures actually 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.279 live a long long time. This is also a time 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:39.719 frame when people were playing with a lot of chemicals, 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.640 and it could be the chop Block Homes like figured 0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:45.080 out some steam punky way to make a whole bunch 0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:47.080 of chemicals to extend his life. But of course it 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:52.160 gave him a horrific skin condition and an abnormally large 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.960 love of goats. So literally, what you're saying is he 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:58.200 just figured out how to turn himself into a Victorian vampire. 0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:05.360 No victory in goat fire. That doesn't work, does it. No, 0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:11.399 it's still a vampire like a goat lover. Victorian goat lover. Okay, 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:15.400 let's just I'm going here like he's he's got a 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:21.760 thing for goats, but he lives forever. Yeah, but nobody's nobody. 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:24.440 I don't think our listeners are buying this, although I 0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:27.080 kind of like your idea of Devon, that that he 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:30.200 maybe was experimenting with certain chemicals and want from being 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.640 basically a human being to this creature you know who, 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:37.200 you know, kind of Jucklin Heights thing. Yeah, exactly, So 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:39.719 I don't know. Okay, let's let's move on to the 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.920 next theory, which is this is actually a really simple theory, 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:47.759 which is that the chipicabra is real as described. In 0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:51.680 other words, it is a real creature. It has never 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:56.920 actually been observed. It's truly a cryptid and nobody has 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.279 actually seen it. But there's nothing to say that it's 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:02.120 not right. And there are creatures out there that have 0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:07.160 not that have been observed but haven't been scientifically captured 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:10.799 and categorized. And this happens from time to time, and 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.960 too you know the world. Yeah, what's that New species 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:18.800 do get discovered? They do, but it's still usually they're 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:24.600 in obscure locations, and they're they're in very remote corners 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:28.600 of the world to just be bouncing around in the 0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:32.960 middle of South America and Puerto Rico. See a bit 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:34.960 far fetch, you think, so, I mean, like, you know, 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:38.760 it's Devin theorized earlier. You know, you could have somehow 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:41.640 got snagged up and wound up in some cargo that 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:45.200 got shipped to Puerto Rico as far as South America 0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:48.040 in places like that, I mean, human settlements expanded and 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:52.240 expand into his territory. So you know it's entirely plausible. Well, 0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:54.880 let's move to the we'll dump up for a second 0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:57.400 because it's gonna then play into the next three, which 0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:00.280 is that it's a myth. Because of course, my problem 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:05.160 with that is that there's the unobserved thing. But if 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:10.000 this animal were to have, possibly in some form, once 0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:14.880 existed and then people are telling stories about it, because 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:18.760 people tell stories all the time to control behavior, whether 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:24.520 it's children or ethical reasons or whatever like, or to 0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:28.720 stay out of the to stay out of areas for 0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:32.080 religious reasons, like there's all kinds of things like that. 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:34.640 Well there's that, but also people like a good creepy story. 0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:42.080 But people popular people's imaginations are very very powerful things, 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:45.040 and you know, I mean, we all know this that 0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:49.400 if you have details missing in something that you see, 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:54.680 your brain will fill in the missing piece, and normally 0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:58.480 it becomes the scary things. That's why kids that see 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:02.600 at night they're with their toys and their hanging clothes, 0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:08.680 that becomes Sully from you know, from what was the monsters? Yeah, 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:14.080 is a dress and a lego. My problem with that theory, though, 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:17.880 is that the chuper carbon poses no threat to humans. Right, 0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:22.560 So most of those those myths surround either some sort 0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:28.280 of creation story to explain perhaps like thunder something like that, 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:30.720 or something to keep the kids, like to scare the 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.760 kids witless so that they stay in the camp at night. Right, 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:37.920 It's very rare to be like, oh, the goats don't 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:41.640 have these puncture wounds and like there's nothing sucking their blood. 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:44.040 But let's just make something up. It could be a 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:47.720 scary thing to to actually ram home to the kids 0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:49.520 the idea that they have to get the goats home 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:53.160 and in the corrality. That's true. But yeah, but you know, 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.960 it's just usually those kind of myth creations center around, 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:01.400 like you said, people and scare people either into behaving 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:04.400 or believing something, and then it has some some repercussion 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:06.800 for a human if they don't do that thing right. Well, 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:14.280 so let me share a story of suggestion and interpretation. Okay, 1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:17.720 we're going to go back to which is when we 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:20.920 said the story kind of went viral, and we're going 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:27.040 to go back to Magdalene Tolentino. Yeah, in Puerto Rico, 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:31.120 she remember the originator of the chupy that we know 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:35.080 and love. Well, it turns out that Madeleine weeks before 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:38.680 had gone to the theater and seen the movie Species. 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:44.680 And by the way, yeah, she did not just think 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:47.480 that this was a movie. She thought this was something 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:51.120 that was happening on the island of Puerto Rico. And 1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:54.480 if you go when you watch the movie Species, which 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:59.120 is about the main character, Ish is this girl who 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:01.800 becomes an a land and she gets all these weird 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:05.320 things on her and if you look at it, she 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.600 does get really big by the end. But if you 1:01:07.720 --> 1:01:11.480 look at her, she looks a lot like any creature 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:15.440 created by hr Geiger, because lo and behold he wrote 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:19.760 both stories the Aliens from the Alien series. And by 1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:21.680 the way, if you don't know what I'm talking about, 1:01:22.120 --> 1:01:27.120 stop pause us right now. Google hr Geiger aliens. You 1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:31.760 will see the creatures and they have large teeth, large 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:36.560 spines across their backs. They're very they have a kind 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:39.880 of an oily, glistening sheen style to them, Like he 1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:44.479 has a very very specific style to the creature. He's said, 1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:48.880 but she wouldn't watch that movie not too long before 1:01:49.000 --> 1:01:52.760 she saw this. Yeah, but are you saying that, hr Geiger? 1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:56.040 Is that what you're saying? So No, But what you 1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:58.040 are saying is that this is this theory isn't so 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:01.080 much like, oh, it's a myth. The theory is this 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:09.720 woman got confused, confused. Hold everybody but miss but miss 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:12.360 are the same thing is that people see something in 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:15.360 its suggestion and they take it and they spin it 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:17.640 and they say they see something else, and then they 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:24.280 tell everybody else, And that's what appears. According to Benjamin Radford, who, 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:27.320 by the way, is a guy who investigated the origins 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:32.680 of the chupacabra. He said, wait, Madeline went watched Species 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:36.960 and then she reported a creature that looked like Still. 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:40.560 I think Still is her name from Species, and lo 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:45.680 and behold this thing took off. I just I'm resistant 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:48.480 to this because I have a better theory. Okay, cool. 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:51.760 You know what, fine, tell me you better theory. My 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:57.960 matter theory involves the past. Actually it also it solves 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:04.560 the past incident. Basically, it's my understanding that Choopy was 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:08.960 actually an agent for the KGB, whether it be you know, 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:12.840 a genetic mutation agent or like an actual agent in 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:16.800 some way forced to coerce or coerced to work with 1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:19.400 the KGB. And I do, I mean, I kind of 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:22.560 do think that that there was some sort of instead 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:26.480 of the U. S. Government created this creature, maybe the 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:29.280 KGB created this creature, or it could have been Tom 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:32.200 Cruise in a rubber mask. Could have been Tom Cruise 1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:33.760 in a ruber mask. I think he's a little before 1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:36.760 his time, but for all, I don't know if somethingtologists 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:39.160 might live forever. Just to go on the record, Tom 1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:42.680 Cruise is rubber mask, he is, he might he already 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:44.520 is rubber mask is true. No, But I think that 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:47.960 Choopy was was created, but he was somehow a KGB agent, 1:03:48.080 --> 1:03:50.000 and he was actually responsible for the desk at the 1:03:50.000 --> 1:03:52.520 Outlaw pass you like we said we were talking about, 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:56.480 you know, maybe he drains the blood to actually eat people. 1:03:56.640 --> 1:03:59.040 And and this could be a really good example of 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:01.240 what happened. I mean, you know, in the frozen tundra, 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:04.040 that's what you're saying. It's five years ago, a joke 1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:07.160 by Jove turns out to be true. Yeah, well it 1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:10.680 wasn't a joke, ye know. He had just started doing 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:12.840 the research and I finished this research up for him. 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:17.240 And yeah, but he did not actually drink the blood 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:19.800 from these guys at the pass, did he. Well, some 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:22.960 of the bodies were like torn up, right, and so 1:04:23.000 --> 1:04:27.080 I think was destroyed. Yeah, I mean, you know it's possible. 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:29.800 I mean, they froze. I don't know really, but he 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:33.640 realized on this incident something had gone wrong, like like 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:36.520 we were just saying, you know, he tore the bodies up. 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:38.680 Maybe he wasn't able to drink the blood. I don't 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:41.840 know really what happened there. That's the remaining mystery of 1:04:41.840 --> 1:04:45.520 the law past. But because of this incident, he realized 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:48.560 he didn't he couldn't work for the KGB anymore. He like, 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:51.360 he just couldn't. So he defected because of that cigar. 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:54.959 I mean, maybe it was the cigar, but even even 1:04:55.000 --> 1:04:58.720 back then, the KGB new KGB knew the secondhand smoke 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:01.560 was a bad thing, and they you have been more 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:04.240 really down on that whole thing. Well, I think he 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:07.840 just was personally like horrified with the things that he 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:10.680 was doing for the KGB. And so he'd defected to 1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:12.240 the U S government and they were like, listen, we 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:15.840 can't have you in the contiguous United States. So Puerto 1:05:15.600 --> 1:05:20.400 Rico here, listen, Puerto Ricos not Yeah, they're not technically America. 1:05:20.560 --> 1:05:23.720 It's safe. People don't guess that you're there. There's lots 1:05:23.720 --> 1:05:26.040 of weird little farm land down there. It's great. So 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:27.760 they sent him down there, gave him a farm for 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:31.600 himself to kind of roam on. But since he hadn't 1:05:31.680 --> 1:05:34.360 I mean, you know, he's not clearly not human. So 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:36.960 since he didn't have an actual deed to the property 1:05:37.000 --> 1:05:39.640 in the US government was in this kind of situation 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:43.160 where they had to deny owning the property. The property 1:05:43.200 --> 1:05:46.880 got developed, and again the Indian giver thing that we 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:50.040 talk it's like in the Frank Finkel episode. They take 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:52.760 it away and give it back. Yeah, they do that. 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:54.479 I could just say it if you showed they show 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:56.760 up to take his lands that you know, we're not. 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:59.440 We decided to get this as somebody else and develop it. Well, 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:02.320 even it like, you made this promise and now you're 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:04.439 taking it back, and the guys when the government says, well, yeah, 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:07.560 that's what we do. Yeah, I mean either that or 1:06:07.600 --> 1:06:09.440 you know, it was just people who were local. They 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:11.280 were like, well, that ranch isn't being used, so we 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:13.840 might as well graize our goats on it. And then suddenly, 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:17.040 you know, he was feeding on goats and sheep and 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:19.680 chicken and whatever because people were encroaching on his his 1:06:19.760 --> 1:06:21.800 normal hunting grounds with the U. S. Government had given 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:25.840 him to By the way, yeah, have you ever eaten goat? Yeah, 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:27.920 it's actually pretty good. It's not bad. I don't I 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:32.320 don't blame Choopy for liking goat because I mean blood, 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:38.760 oh well, well with with jerk sauce or some like spices. Yeah, 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:42.480 in a in a barrel barbecue. That is the bomb 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:45.160 right there. But no, I mean that's that's my I 1:06:45.640 --> 1:06:48.040 you know, based on Joe's and my research, I think 1:06:48.080 --> 1:06:52.920 this is just to retire KGB defector retired to Puerto Rico. Okay, well, 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:55.439 let's uh, let's go ahead and move into the next three. 1:06:55.600 --> 1:06:57.800 Kind of overwhelmed with series, right, Well, there's a lot 1:06:57.840 --> 1:07:00.360 of theories in this because this is a huge stone. 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:05.200 I mean, don't dismiss this story like the mainstream media does, Joe. 1:07:05.640 --> 1:07:10.320 Don't be a mainstream disser of the troops. Come on 1:07:10.640 --> 1:07:14.080 the mainstream. Yeah, the mainstream. They're basically not interested in 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:16.560 the true. Do not be a tuope denier. No, I'm 1:07:16.600 --> 1:07:20.000 not so Listen, let's here. Here's the next theory is 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:22.320 that and we have a couple left, We're going all 1:07:22.360 --> 1:07:24.320 the way through with this. And by the way, everybody's 1:07:24.360 --> 1:07:27.160 looking at their phones or iPods or whatever, going, oh 1:07:27.200 --> 1:07:29.120 my god, there's so much episode left. We have a 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:31.440 lot to go through a little bit. We have whole 1:07:31.480 --> 1:07:34.880 bunch of stuff, important stuff coming up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:37.640 So the next theory is that this is just an 1:07:37.680 --> 1:07:41.560 animal with Maine. Yeah yeah, I've heard these stories, this 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:44.080 stuff on Facebook and stuff. You see it everywhere. So 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:48.280 for for the last twenty plus years, animal corpses have 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:53.160 been brought to officials. And I use that term loosely 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:57.840 to invest in identify the whole hand air quotes. Well, yeah, 1:07:57.880 --> 1:08:01.080 this is yeah, that's that's the weird. The whole air quote. 1:08:01.720 --> 1:08:04.680 The two finger one is official. The whole hand one 1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:08.120 is kind of awkward, but it is that these people 1:08:08.160 --> 1:08:11.240 have brought these corpses forward saying this is a tubacabra 1:08:11.320 --> 1:08:13.840 chorpse and you should check it out. And of course 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:18.160 official sources don't ever really want to do it. But 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:22.760 when they are actually investigated, what appears to be the 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:28.640 case is that they are not previously unidentified creatures, but 1:08:28.760 --> 1:08:33.519 instead they're the corpses of wild dogs or coyotes or 1:08:33.600 --> 1:08:36.960 some kind of canine. They don't have hair, usually, well 1:08:37.000 --> 1:08:39.760 they don't have hair because they tend to appear to 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:46.160 typically be suffering from mange, have been submersion water or 1:08:46.200 --> 1:08:49.160 have been submerging water. Okay, yeah, so listen. If you 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:52.200 don't know what manges, will give you a very very 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:56.920 quick primer here. Mange is caused by a mite, specifically 1:08:57.400 --> 1:09:01.400 sarcoptic mange. That's the name of this particular mine. And 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:05.040 what it does is it crawls under the skin and 1:09:05.080 --> 1:09:07.479 it like it literally burrows a tunnel in the skin, 1:09:07.520 --> 1:09:11.240 which is horrible to think of. Yeah, but then it 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:15.720 lays eggs and that can be very painful and it 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:18.160 can cause quite a lot of itching. It's not a 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:23.120 good thing. And these these mites can and they do 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:26.800 infect people and the what you'll hear in humans, this 1:09:27.000 --> 1:09:33.200 called is scabies. Now, Lucky for us humans, we've been 1:09:33.240 --> 1:09:38.880 dealing with this particular brand of mites for years, like centuries, 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:43.559 like millennia, so on an evolutionary scale, we've figured out 1:09:43.640 --> 1:09:49.120 how to handle it and kind of um corralled on 1:09:49.200 --> 1:09:53.320 the body. Now, it's not considered desirable, it's not, but 1:09:53.400 --> 1:09:56.040 it is not something that is going to take you 1:09:56.200 --> 1:10:01.280 doubt it is. It's an inconvenient and by the way, 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:05.800 it is highly contagious and it is highly uncomfortable, and 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:08.920 if you think you have scabies, you should see a 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:13.840 doctor because it is very easily treated in humans today. 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:16.439 But the point is it will not kill us at least. 1:10:16.479 --> 1:10:22.120 It takes a really massive, massive, massive, massive infection to 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:26.160 really take down a human. Turns out in canines, though 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:30.519 that's not the case because canines have not been dealing 1:10:30.560 --> 1:10:33.680 with this particular might nearly as long as we have. 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:35.920 So let's just you know, they get it from humans. 1:10:36.360 --> 1:10:42.120 So anyway, so the dog gets this and doesn't know 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:44.679 what to do with it. It freaks out, The hair 1:10:44.840 --> 1:10:50.200 falls out, the skin gets thick and turns grayish blackish, 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:54.760 and it becomes very, very itchy. And the problem with 1:10:54.840 --> 1:10:57.640 that is that because it becomes itchy, they scratch at it, 1:10:57.680 --> 1:11:01.559 they spread the infection because it's high contagious, just like 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:05.360 in people. In animals or dogs, it's contagious, so spreading 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:08.320 it makes it contagious. So they're spreading it around themselves. 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:13.760 They're also opening themselves up to secondary infections. Basically just 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:15.800 makes all their hair fall out, and it makes it 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:19.719 worse because now they're they're getting other infections, are getting 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:24.240 sicker and sicker, weaker and weaker. They look gaunter and gaunter. 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:28.960 They look horrid. If you want to make yourself cry, 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:33.439 look up pictures of dogs with maine, because it is 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:36.920 not a nice thing. It is a sad thing to see. 1:11:38.200 --> 1:11:41.000 And what what happens though, is that these poor critters 1:11:41.360 --> 1:11:45.120 now they're weak. They you know, they can't actually hunt 1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:47.960 like that. Let's take a dog or kayak. They're kind 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:50.880 of a semi apex predator and they hunt down rabbits 1:11:50.960 --> 1:11:55.080 and squirrels and whatever whatever. They chase things down, but 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:58.200 they're not fast, but they're they're pretty good at what 1:11:58.240 --> 1:12:02.479 they do. But now they've got maine, so they, yeah, 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:06.719 they can't do well. So they can't catch their normal praise, 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:10.080 and now they become hungry and desperate. So where's the 1:12:10.160 --> 1:12:14.880 only food source around? Well, it's on a farm convenient store. Well, no, 1:12:14.880 --> 1:12:17.599 not the convenience. They don't normally shop at seven eleven 1:12:17.640 --> 1:12:20.080 because nobody will give him a debit card. But the 1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:22.760 problem is, of course, is that they don't want to 1:12:22.800 --> 1:12:25.880 go to a human settlement because we as humans were 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:32.160 super aggressive and we will take them out, yea, And 1:12:32.200 --> 1:12:35.280 they know this, but suddenly they have no choice, like 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:39.400 that tied up goat is the only thing they can get. 1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:44.840 But of course they're also easily scared away. So now 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:48.280 let's say they attack the tied up goat and then 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:50.839 the guy who owns the goal comes out and yells 1:12:51.240 --> 1:12:53.960 and they run away. Well then he shows up and 1:12:54.080 --> 1:12:57.320 all he finds is his bleeding goat on the ground 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.840 with no blood in it. He doesn't know what the 1:13:00.000 --> 1:13:04.480 hell is going on. Thus he thinks a vampire attacked 1:13:04.520 --> 1:13:08.719 his goat. So it could be Maine because it does terrible, 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:12.559 terrible things to these particular critters. Makes them look pretty ugly, 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:15.400 that's for sure, although I'd like to point out too 1:13:15.560 --> 1:13:18.280 that it would be probably child's play. For the US 1:13:18.360 --> 1:13:21.919 government to pluck the hair out of some poor animals 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:24.880 from poor canine and set them loose out there, you know, 1:13:25.040 --> 1:13:27.240 just just to throw us all off the track of 1:13:27.400 --> 1:13:29.559 you know, the real chuppy. Oh are you saying they 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:32.320 like give him a buzz job and then spread the 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:35.479 hair everywhere and say, oh, it was something else I'm saying, 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:39.160 say they they essentially like you know, shave their hair whatever, 1:13:39.200 --> 1:13:42.519 and then set them loose to basically with the object 1:13:42.560 --> 1:13:45.920 that they will attack livestock, be spotted, be reported as 1:13:45.960 --> 1:13:50.280 this unearthly like, awful, monstrous creature which you know, darts 1:13:50.280 --> 1:13:53.760 off into the darkness and uh, and that will basically 1:13:54.240 --> 1:13:57.840 allow people like you to spread this kind of misinformation. 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.240 You know what I'm saying. I get it. I gotta yea. 1:14:01.320 --> 1:14:02.960 I don't like the theory either. Okay, you know what 1:14:03.000 --> 1:14:06.080 the theory I really like. So based on the area. 1:14:06.200 --> 1:14:07.519 And by the way, this is not in the script, 1:14:07.600 --> 1:14:09.240 so don't look at it because it's not gonna help 1:14:09.280 --> 1:14:12.080 you out. Have you ever looked at the Mexican hairless dog, 1:14:12.560 --> 1:14:15.920 the ones with the mohawks? Okay, a friend of mine 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:19.760 has a Mexican hairless and her name is Chupy. She 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:26.320 has gray, weird looking skin and a very briskly black mohawk. 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:30.040 And every time I read about the chub of Cobra, 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:32.760 I look at that dog and I think, well, you're 1:14:32.800 --> 1:14:37.679 too cute and sweet to do that. But but maybe 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:41.920 if you didn't live in an apartment with kibble all 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:44.840 the time, you would do it. Probably probably all three 1:14:44.880 --> 1:14:48.800 of us would do it too. We're desperate enough, but true. Also, 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:51.719 I also really want to have a hairless dog, except 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:53.360 my wife will not let me have a dog, a 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:55.280 hairless dog in the house because if you ever petted 1:14:55.280 --> 1:14:58.960 a hairless animal, it's like petting your forearm, which is 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:02.600 weirdly soothe, but not to anybody else. I do not 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:05.240 pet my forearm. I got all kinds of weird stuff, 1:15:05.240 --> 1:15:07.960 but I don't pet my forearms. See, this is what 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:11.320 keeps me comfortable in times of stresses. I just pet 1:15:11.360 --> 1:15:15.000 my forearms. Well, let's go on to our next theory here, 1:15:15.040 --> 1:15:19.200 which is, oh, oh, this theory. Actually, this is probably 1:15:19.200 --> 1:15:21.960 one of our most solid theories we have to date, 1:15:22.479 --> 1:15:27.360 which is the Chupa Cobra created this particular podcast and 1:15:27.439 --> 1:15:30.639 has for the past five years forced us each week 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:33.479 to make it or pay us. You know, actually there 1:15:33.520 --> 1:15:35.760 is a theory out there which is not really but 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:39.800 you know, Chupy might be actually the first self promoting 1:15:40.000 --> 1:15:43.600 quasi mythical animal out there. He might be the you know, 1:15:43.640 --> 1:15:48.280 the public the obverse of Bigfoot who actually is secretive. 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:51.320 It might be the Chupy just can't get noticed and 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:53.920 he's trying really hard. Listen, have you seen the book 1:15:53.920 --> 1:15:58.559 written by the Bigfoot though write books book? I have 1:15:58.640 --> 1:16:02.160 not seen that one agreed book. It's really good. Yeah, 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:06.840 it's really well written. Okay, there you go. There's also 1:16:06.920 --> 1:16:09.679 we have one other theory here, which is that all 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:12.519 of these particular theories that we have read out today 1:16:12.680 --> 1:16:15.760 are correct. And it turns out that we were not 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:19.400 in fact paid by the Chupa Cabra to foster more 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:23.840 and more disinformation about the Chupa Cobra and per the 1:16:24.400 --> 1:16:26.599 that we all signed for the NDIA that we all 1:16:26.680 --> 1:16:29.519 signed because he's true, we're not even supposed to be 1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:33.000 saying what we're saying right now about that. Yeah, no, 1:16:33.160 --> 1:16:39.439 lawyer me please please Okay, any other last chupacabra theories 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:41.439 that you guys want to throw it, I mean, personally 1:16:41.640 --> 1:16:43.960 per our n d A. I don't believe we're allowed 1:16:44.000 --> 1:16:47.040 to spread it. I don't think I'm gonna come down 1:16:47.040 --> 1:16:50.080 on the side of an alien lead behind. Yeah, I 1:16:51.240 --> 1:16:54.400 like the alien fluffy theory. Actually, yeah, I think so 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:58.280 tragically they're they're pet round off or just creators that 1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:01.800 stowed away in the ship that kind of Yeah, that's 1:17:01.800 --> 1:17:05.639 probably what it was. Yeah, alright, boys and girls, Well, 1:17:05.760 --> 1:17:08.800 now that we've solved the mystery of the Chupacabra, we 1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:12.040 need to talk about that bit of information that we 1:17:12.240 --> 1:17:14.479 told you in the beginning of the episode that you 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:19.479 need to listen for. Yeah, so you're still listening. I 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:21.880 really hope they're listening to other oness gonna be really 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:27.760 really confused later, because here's the deal, guys, the Chupacabra episode, 1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:33.600 this is our last episode. We are we're finishing the podcast. 1:17:34.479 --> 1:17:37.479 I know you're gonna be upset about it, but I 1:17:37.520 --> 1:17:39.880 want you know the reason why, and I want to 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:43.920 be honest with it, is that I personally I'm moving 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:47.519 out of the country. I'm moving to Southeast Asia, and 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:52.880 with the time zone differences and the unpredictability of internet connections, 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:54.760 there's just there's just no real way for us to 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:58.080 continue to make the podcast. And when I talked to 1:17:58.160 --> 1:18:00.040 Joe and Devon about this one, when I knew and 1:18:00.120 --> 1:18:03.160 I was gonna move, we figured it out and we said, listen, 1:18:03.280 --> 1:18:04.680 the one thing we want to do is we want 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:06.840 to make sure we get to that five year mark. 1:18:06.920 --> 1:18:11.080 We've were so close. Let's hit that anniversary. And that's 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:14.080 why we we've gone to this episode that we did. 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:17.280 By the way, people have asked us in personal interactions, well, 1:18:17.320 --> 1:18:19.559 what would be your final episode? Well we always said, well, 1:18:19.560 --> 1:18:21.720 it would have to be the chup of Cabra. So 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:25.880 thus why Choopy got to be the crowning final episode. 1:18:26.360 --> 1:18:28.280 So there's some things that I would like to share, 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:32.040 some heartfelt things I'd like to express to all of 1:18:32.080 --> 1:18:35.000 you who have supported us through the years. I want 1:18:35.040 --> 1:18:37.360 to say thank you, And to all of you who 1:18:37.360 --> 1:18:40.519 have wind and complained about the slightest perceived offenses, I 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:44.679 want to tell you to piss off. But seriously, honestly, uh, 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:47.519 it's been a blast getting to to bring the show 1:18:47.560 --> 1:18:51.200 to everyone for all the years, and I loved getting 1:18:51.280 --> 1:18:54.800 to interact with everyone. I mean, there's been so many 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:58.000 of you, and and the Internet is a dark and 1:18:58.200 --> 1:19:03.040 scary place and you guys made it such a good 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:06.160 place to be and it was it was such a 1:19:06.200 --> 1:19:09.639 positive thing that I really really appreciate that. I don't 1:19:09.640 --> 1:19:11.720 know how better to express it than to say that. 1:19:12.680 --> 1:19:15.240 But but don't worry. Just so you know, this is 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:19.120 not the final episode of Thinking Sideways. We're gonna be 1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:23.240 releasing some more content. We forgot, content that was never 1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:26.640 actually released into the regular feed, and we're gonna be 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:30.560 releasing that over the course of the next five or 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:34.559 six episodes or so five or six weeks. So keep 1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:38.639 an eye out on that. And when it comes time 1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:41.240 for any of us to start a new venture or 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:43.960 anything like that, we're gonna let you know. Our social 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:46.960 media is still going to be out there. Personally myself, 1:19:47.080 --> 1:19:50.200 I'm gonna be taking time while I'm abroad to work 1:19:50.680 --> 1:19:53.960 to focus on my photography. If you want to follow 1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:57.360 any of that, you are more than welcome to do so. 1:19:57.960 --> 1:20:01.760 I'm on Instagram and on two Twitter. On Instagram, i 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:05.559 am how Steve sees the world. On Twitter, i am 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:08.439 how Steve sees Those are the two places that you'll 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:11.439 see me. And we'll put this on the website so 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:14.800 that you can track all of that. But thank you 1:20:14.920 --> 1:20:17.720 very much. I really really don't know how better to 1:20:17.800 --> 1:20:21.960 say it, but it has been phenomenal. Yeah, I mean, I, um, 1:20:22.000 --> 1:20:24.679 some of you already follow me on my personal personal 1:20:24.800 --> 1:20:28.640 social media's um pretty much miss d K power everywhere. 1:20:28.680 --> 1:20:31.559 And again we'll you know, push this out on social 1:20:31.560 --> 1:20:33.559 media in case you want to connect with us. And 1:20:33.600 --> 1:20:36.400 like Steve said, we're going to keep our thinking sideways 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:39.000 social media alive for as long as we can bear 1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:42.160 to do it, which maybe another five years for all 1:20:42.240 --> 1:20:44.320 we know. UM, And I just wanted to say what 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:47.479 an absolute joy it's been to see this community become 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:50.720 what it has, you know, you those of us that 1:20:50.800 --> 1:20:53.559 have been here since the beginning. You know, we started 1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:56.160 this five years ago and when we were first starting out, 1:20:56.200 --> 1:20:58.439 it was just you know us and and pretty much 1:20:58.479 --> 1:21:01.479 just us in Justin and Aaron from Generation Why doing 1:21:01.520 --> 1:21:04.120 true crime and unsolved mysteries. And since then the community 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:07.880 has grown into something insane, which is for better for worse. 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:10.920 And I don't I don't want to call out our 1:21:11.200 --> 1:21:14.719 friend podcasts for fear of leaving some some of them out, 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:16.559 but you guys know who you are, and we just 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:18.600 love you and have loved getting to know you and 1:21:18.720 --> 1:21:21.760 want to send a huge and special shout out to 1:21:21.960 --> 1:21:26.320 our Facebook mods who are Christina, Alexa, Kyle, Draco, Jamie 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:29.479 and Leslie. Without them, the Facebook group would have been 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:34.559 shut down four years ago easily. Most of all, I 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:38.160 just want to thank all of you for listening, everyone 1:21:38.320 --> 1:21:40.880 who we met at meetups and and crime con everyone 1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:43.840 who listened and emailed and helped make this really fun. Yeah, 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:46.360 thank you everyone for making this what it was for 1:21:46.400 --> 1:21:49.439 the last five years, and for me for my part. 1:21:50.040 --> 1:21:52.160 Sorry about the short notice on this. It's a little 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:54.120 bit of a real surprise for some of you, I'm sure, 1:21:54.760 --> 1:21:56.880 and we're a little sad about this, but try to 1:21:56.880 --> 1:22:00.320 remember it's not necessarily goodbye forever. We'll still be a round, 1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:03.320 like I said on social media. And uh, you know, 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:05.920 I've been pondering the possibility of maybe a new podcast 1:22:06.040 --> 1:22:08.240 or something. I don't know what, so you haven't heard 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:11.000 the last of us. Necessarily now, don't delete our podcast 1:22:11.080 --> 1:22:13.559 from your feed, because if any of us starts a 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:16.200 new podcast, well at the first episode or so much 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:19.680 show up in our feet someday. And also, I have 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:23.040 restarted my Twitter account, which I've had since ten and 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:25.839 never use. I'm not going to give you my handle 1:22:28.120 --> 1:22:32.960 because I wanted a new, spiffier handle that more fits, 1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:34.760 you know, the whole thing that we're doing these days. 1:22:34.800 --> 1:22:37.120 And when I went out and I had several good ideas, 1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:42.120 every damn one was taken. And I'm really really and 1:22:41.439 --> 1:22:45.639 and uh, you know, Davin had a wonderful suggestion was 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:49.559 was Skytrain, and some jerk has taken it, and I'm 1:22:49.600 --> 1:22:52.080 really kind of angry about that. But anyway, so we 1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:54.360 will figure out a handle for you, and we'll put 1:22:54.360 --> 1:22:56.639 it on social media. We will, yeah, so that we'll 1:22:56.680 --> 1:22:58.240 get that straight. Now, I'll get a handle out to 1:22:58.240 --> 1:22:59.760 you guys so you can follow me on Twitter, which 1:22:59.800 --> 1:23:02.160 I know you're dying to do. Then I I wanted 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:04.320 to echo what Devon said about our Facebook mods, who 1:23:04.400 --> 1:23:06.800 are awesome, and I hope, by the way, I'm gonna 1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:08.920 stick around for a little while because our our Facebook 1:23:08.920 --> 1:23:11.200 and all their social and all our social media is 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:14.280 not going to just go away. Um. And also, of 1:23:14.280 --> 1:23:18.000 course our fellow podcasters, again echoing Devon, they're awesome that 1:23:18.160 --> 1:23:20.800 I kind of feel like there are extended family, kind 1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:23.080 of without the weirdness, but we all get along great. 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:27.760 There's no backbiting, no ugly competition. Everybody's just awesome and 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:30.200 I love you guys, all of you. And then you've 1:23:30.240 --> 1:23:32.920 all you've all been totally helpful over the years and 1:23:33.040 --> 1:23:36.240 I really appreciate it. Uh. And lastly, of course, our 1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:39.280 listeners and uh, I never thought that when we started 1:23:39.280 --> 1:23:41.280 doing this that that many people would really want to 1:23:41.280 --> 1:23:44.479 listen to us, and uh and of course not nearly 1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:46.600 enough did, but still quite a few did, so that 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:50.160 was cool. Uh. We got a ton of messages from 1:23:50.200 --> 1:23:52.280 people saying stuff like how much said they love these 1:23:52.320 --> 1:23:55.559 weird little stories they've never heard before, or just you know, 1:23:55.640 --> 1:23:58.559 you make my commute to work bearable, or you just 1:23:58.600 --> 1:24:01.120 give me all these hours of on and enjoyment and 1:24:01.160 --> 1:24:03.800 stuff like that, you know what I'm talking about. And uh, 1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:07.320 these messages have really meant a lot to me because 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:10.599 they made me realize that our podcast, which we kind 1:24:10.600 --> 1:24:13.160 of started as a lark, it really our podcast it 1:24:13.240 --> 1:24:15.120 does make a lot of people's lives just a little 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:17.720 bit better. I'm not saying we're changing the world in 1:24:17.760 --> 1:24:19.599 a huge way, but in a tiny way. We kind 1:24:19.600 --> 1:24:21.200 of we kind of do make it a better place 1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:24.519 I think anyway, And for me, that that has made 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:28.760 all the time we spent doing this really worthwhile. And 1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:30.680 I hope everybody else feels the same about all the 1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:33.519 time you've spent listening to us too. It's been great. 1:24:33.560 --> 1:24:36.600 We love you guys, and again, well we will we 1:24:36.600 --> 1:24:41.280 will see you again. Uh. And as as a final note, uh, 1:24:41.360 --> 1:24:44.160 not so much to the listeners, but to you both. 1:24:44.640 --> 1:24:47.599 Thank you so much. It's it's been amazing to work 1:24:47.640 --> 1:24:50.600 with you, and I couldn't imagine doing this with anybody 1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:55.040 other than you two jokers. It's it's been a weird one, right, 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:58.320 and at times it's been great and at times it's 1:24:58.320 --> 1:25:01.439 been what is going on? It's a bit like being 1:25:01.439 --> 1:25:06.080 on mushrooms, but it was a lot of fun. So yeah, 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:10.000 I couldn't. I couldn't imagine you too. I don't care 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:13.840 about you guys at all, so I don't care. Yeah, 1:25:15.840 --> 1:25:19.599 that's kind of been apparent to me for a while now. Actually, 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:23.160 Devin started out with this is a just a young 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:26.320 woman in her mid twenties, um, and just watching her 1:25:26.320 --> 1:25:29.320 grow into a young woman in late twenties has been 1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:35.120 Oh my god, we got a Harry and the Hendricks. Alright, 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:40.120 Well to YouTube. Thank you to everybody, out there. Thank 1:25:40.160 --> 1:25:42.680 you so much. Yeah, and by the way, just so 1:25:42.800 --> 1:25:45.479 special thanks to Steve. Also because Steve was a guy 1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:48.400 who really wanted to do something on the internet really bad, 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:50.280 and so it was actually kind of his idea to 1:25:50.280 --> 1:25:52.200 do a podcast. So we're gonna get a little extra 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:54.600 credit for that. And also people don't know that Steve's 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:57.639 our editor. He's actually been editing the sound all these 1:25:57.720 --> 1:26:01.280 years too. Yeah, so thank you for that. Thank you. Alright, guys, 1:26:01.920 --> 1:26:06.520 shall we shall we roll this up? All right, everybody, 1:26:06.720 --> 1:26:09.639 it's been good. A couple more episodes coming your way 1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:12.240 in the feed. I believe there's gonna be five more 1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:16.599 bits of unreleased audio that you haven't heard yet before 1:26:16.760 --> 1:26:20.240 the whole thing closes up, shops, So thank you much. 1:26:20.680 --> 1:26:24.719 We really really appreciate it, and in some form we'll 1:26:24.760 --> 1:26:27.439 talk to you again. You'll be hearing from us sooner 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:30.960 or later, I think. Yeah, bye, guys, Bye bye. I 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:31.439 love you.