1
00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,560
Speaker 1: This episode of Thinking Sideways is not brought to you

2
00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,760
Speaker 1: by the unknown tunnel that I found under my house. Instead,

3
00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,760
Speaker 1: it's brought you by talk Space, the online therapy company

4
00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,800
Speaker 1: that lets you message a license therapist from anywhere at

5
00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,680
Speaker 1: any time. Now, having a hard time imagine fitting another

6
00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,560
Speaker 1: appointment into your life, Well, with talk Space, therapy is

7
00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,680
Speaker 1: as easy as sending your therapist a message. There's no commuting,

8
00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,840
Speaker 1: there's no leaving the office, and most importantly, there's no

9
00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,479
Speaker 1: judgments to match with a perfect therapist for a fraction

10
00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,159
Speaker 1: of the price of traditional therapy, go to talk space

11
00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,640
Speaker 1: dot com slash sideways and use the promo code sideways

12
00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,760
Speaker 1: to get forty five dollars off your first month that

13
00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,559
Speaker 1: sideways and talk space dot com slash sideways T A

14
00:00:50,880 --> 00:01:14,920
Speaker 1: L K, S P A C E. Thinking. Well, hey there,

15
00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,840
Speaker 1: and welcome again to another episode of thinking Sideways. I

16
00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:25,520
Speaker 1: am Steve as usual, joined by Oh, I think that's

17
00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,360
Speaker 1: the first time that is stumping on somebody's toes and

18
00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,679
Speaker 1: I don't know who it is. Well, what happened is

19
00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,240
Speaker 1: Steve usually or any of us will look at whoever

20
00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,360
Speaker 1: we want to call out. Second, and he shifted his

21
00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,240
Speaker 1: eyes to me and then quickly to Devon, no, I

22
00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,160
Speaker 1: looked at the gun on the wall. He was looking

23
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,640
Speaker 1: at you, but pointing at me. It was just yeah, okay,

24
00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,320
Speaker 1: so let's do this again for the world. I am Steve.

25
00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,600
Speaker 1: I am joined by Joe and Devin. There we go.

26
00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,920
Speaker 1: The confusion was I looked upwards and not at one

27
00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,200
Speaker 1: would think we haven't been doing this for five years.

28
00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,680
Speaker 1: Act has never happened. It has, but I think we

29
00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,160
Speaker 1: cut it out. Okay, Well, listen, hey, we're as always

30
00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,360
Speaker 1: going to talk about a mystery this week, but this

31
00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,040
Speaker 1: week it is extra extra special because we are gonna

32
00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:21,440
Speaker 1: talk about everyone's favorite cryptid. So, as always, this is

33
00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,280
Speaker 1: a listener suggestion, but the CHUPI has been suggested by

34
00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,680
Speaker 1: each and every one of you at some point. So

35
00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,840
Speaker 1: just imagine I'm saying your name right now. Yeah, here

36
00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,720
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, that was your name right there in

37
00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,960
Speaker 1: the blank spot. Yea, and our heart was saying your

38
00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:41,200
Speaker 1: name and um, now hey before Normally what we do

39
00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,440
Speaker 1: is we jump right into the story, but we're not

40
00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,440
Speaker 1: going to do that because listen, there is some important

41
00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,120
Speaker 1: information that we want to share with you news about

42
00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,480
Speaker 1: the show, but we're going to save that to the

43
00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,560
Speaker 1: very very end. And for those of you who are

44
00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,760
Speaker 1: chronic fast forwarders, once the theory section is closed, don't

45
00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,920
Speaker 1: do that. Listen. We've been shaming for years for doing that,

46
00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,640
Speaker 1: but stop doing that, but today especially, don't do it. Yeah, don't. Okay.

47
00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,760
Speaker 1: So that having been the covered, shame dolled out appropriately,

48
00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:19,840
Speaker 1: let's talk about our dear friend Choopy. By the way,

49
00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,760
Speaker 1: did did I forget to mention this is our five

50
00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,720
Speaker 1: year anniversary? Did it? Is? I did forget? Because forget

51
00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,160
Speaker 1: it's our anniversary. We forgot the anniversary here in the doghouse.

52
00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,280
Speaker 1: Mr Well, I forget to mention it, not that I

53
00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,960
Speaker 1: forgot it? What about this, Joe? Stop it? Okay, So

54
00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about our dear dear friend, the choopy. Yeah,

55
00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,240
Speaker 1: so the start of the beginning. The Chupacabra is a

56
00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,720
Speaker 1: cryptid that was originally and by that I mean originally

57
00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,160
Speaker 1: cited in the late seventies or early eighties in that

58
00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,680
Speaker 1: region of north to central I guess, to the north

59
00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,040
Speaker 1: to Sound in America, which ranges from Texas down to

60
00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,040
Speaker 1: um to Mexico. So those are the would be North America.

61
00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,160
Speaker 1: Is it still technically North America not Central America? No, no,

62
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,919
Speaker 1: Texas is not Centralphy has never been my my strong

63
00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,920
Speaker 1: suits coologize. Okay, Well, the point is is that our

64
00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,120
Speaker 1: little buddy was sited in that region, and at the

65
00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,000
Speaker 1: same time, this little cryptid had also been sited on

66
00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,960
Speaker 1: the island of Puerto Rico's not so little in some settings.

67
00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,880
Speaker 1: We'll get there, we'll get there. Don't jump ahead for

68
00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,359
Speaker 1: those of those you who don't know though, Puerto Rico

69
00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,440
Speaker 1: if you're not up on your nation's in geography and

70
00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,320
Speaker 1: all good, good information. State in Mexico right now. It's

71
00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,360
Speaker 1: part of America. Is important. It's technically part of the

72
00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,640
Speaker 1: United States. It's one of the many Caribbean islands run

73
00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,800
Speaker 1: kind of southeast from the tip of Florida towards southeast

74
00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,360
Speaker 1: towards south of Erica. Now today, officially, as we're recording this, officially,

75
00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,360
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico is an unincorporated U. S territory, and that

76
00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,640
Speaker 1: information that that status will play into the story later.

77
00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,599
Speaker 1: But I will say that I just heard something that

78
00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,800
Speaker 1: in there's another vote on the books to make Puerto

79
00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,160
Speaker 1: Rico the fifty first state. So maybe that will alleviate

80
00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,680
Speaker 1: some of the tension that we're going to talk about. Yeah,

81
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't, but as of today, don't don't send us

82
00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,200
Speaker 1: an email. In a year and a half, there's a

83
00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,440
Speaker 1: state you do do do fiz is No, we don't

84
00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,000
Speaker 1: know that yet. Okay. So during the seventies and the

85
00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,720
Speaker 1: eighties when the initial Chuby sidings happened to be went

86
00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,760
Speaker 1: by the name of l Vampiro de Moca, which is

87
00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,839
Speaker 1: the vampire of Mocha, and Mocha is a small town

88
00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,800
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico, yep. Also a delicious drink you can

89
00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,760
Speaker 1: occasionally be. Yes, I haven't known to consume one of

90
00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,640
Speaker 1: those spelled differently, but yeah, there's the is also that.

91
00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,880
Speaker 1: And while Chupy hadn't been cited, his handiwork, of course

92
00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:10,480
Speaker 1: had and that handiwork was livestock like sheep or goats

93
00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,960
Speaker 1: or chickens or family pets had all been found dead

94
00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,000
Speaker 1: and most notably drained of their blood. And I'll be

95
00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,400
Speaker 1: honest at this point that I don't know if in

96
00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,440
Speaker 1: the seventies and the eighties the signature mark of the

97
00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,600
Speaker 1: Chupa cabra was present or not. But that signature mark

98
00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,960
Speaker 1: is a three whole, a triangular shaped set of holes

99
00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,919
Speaker 1: in the neck of the animal with the point of

100
00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,640
Speaker 1: the triangle pointing down. So each of those, what's the

101
00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,719
Speaker 1: the three points? Imagine? Do you imagine that the apex

102
00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,000
Speaker 1: is by the way, but a creater with like two

103
00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,040
Speaker 1: fangs on the top and just one thang in the

104
00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,120
Speaker 1: middle of something like that. That's kind of scary. How

105
00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,120
Speaker 1: that noise? Yeah, I thought that was that's the noise. Actually,

106
00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,280
Speaker 1: that is way better than the noise that I heard

107
00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,080
Speaker 1: on the internet for the Chupacabra. It was terrible. We'll

108
00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,760
Speaker 1: we'll get George put in place. So the Chupacabra, though,

109
00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,040
Speaker 1: did not become a household name until he was on

110
00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:20,280
Speaker 1: the TV reality show road Rules in I thought, I

111
00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,400
Speaker 1: thought back further than that. Well, actually, okay, so a

112
00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,560
Speaker 1: Choopy wasn't on road Rules on MTV the first year

113
00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,560
Speaker 1: it came out, but Choopy did go back farther, but

114
00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:37,840
Speaker 1: Chuopy did become a household name in And that is

115
00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,760
Speaker 1: the year that more and more people started to see

116
00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,200
Speaker 1: and learn about a little Crypti Bud. The official and

117
00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to use air quotes here, the official original

118
00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:52,960
Speaker 1: sighting unquote took place in in Puerto Rico, and it

119
00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,680
Speaker 1: was when a woman named Madeleine Tolentino saw this strange

120
00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,080
Speaker 1: creature outside of her home run one night, and she

121
00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,360
Speaker 1: started telling everybody about it. So what did the critter

122
00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:09,600
Speaker 1: that she saw look like? Of course? Yeah, yeah, but well, okay,

123
00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,400
Speaker 1: so I'm going to tell you what she said she saw,

124
00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,160
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to have to tell you all

125
00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,200
Speaker 1: the other versions of what the chupa cabra looks like.

126
00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,680
Speaker 1: Because the chupacabra has evolved over time, as all creatures do,

127
00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,000
Speaker 1: it's just in a very short amount of time. Unlike antrobiology,

128
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,480
Speaker 1: the sightings are after dark, after all, that woul account

129
00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,080
Speaker 1: for some of this probably, yeah, and and and to

130
00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,600
Speaker 1: be fair here, um, you know, we're talking about official

131
00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,520
Speaker 1: sightings named the chupacabra or it's known predecessor, the Vampire

132
00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,160
Speaker 1: of Mocha. But realistically, there have been reports of cryptids

133
00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,680
Speaker 1: that are like this dating back millennia basically, right, I

134
00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,440
Speaker 1: mean there are there's been tribal stories and things like

135
00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,480
Speaker 1: that about the creatures. Nowhere they're nowhere near is concrete, right,

136
00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,360
Speaker 1: That's and that's why I say the kind of a genus.

137
00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of unique in that there's there's stories going

138
00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,400
Speaker 1: back of animals being drained of blood. But there's no consistency.

139
00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,360
Speaker 1: This is where suddenly a consistency of loosely granted, but

140
00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,760
Speaker 1: a loose consistency of what the creater looks like it

141
00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,520
Speaker 1: starts to happen. I just want to make sure that

142
00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:23,080
Speaker 1: people know it wasn't like chupacabra sprung fully formed. I agree,

143
00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:31,320
Speaker 1: but there in the American history Western sphere history true. Yeah, Okay,

144
00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,800
Speaker 1: So what what Madeline's siding said the creature looked like

145
00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,400
Speaker 1: was that the creature was several feet tall, had large

146
00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,320
Speaker 1: eyes and spikes or spines depending on the version, running

147
00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,360
Speaker 1: down the length of its back. And so basically what

148
00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,280
Speaker 1: she described was a large upright lizards slash bug eyed

149
00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,040
Speaker 1: alien creature. The arms that they were longish, know, more

150
00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,400
Speaker 1: than you would expect on a normal proportioned creature of

151
00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,280
Speaker 1: this plan it, and the arms ended in hands that

152
00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,200
Speaker 1: had large sharp claws on them. Okay, So that's that's

153
00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,360
Speaker 1: the general gist of her description, and that took off

154
00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:18,000
Speaker 1: like wildfire, and suddenly more and more and more people

155
00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,640
Speaker 1: around Puerto Rico began to say that they had seen this,

156
00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,520
Speaker 1: and suddenly choopy fever was everywhere. Did did they say

157
00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:34,520
Speaker 1: anything about the eyes are in the beginning they were

158
00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,800
Speaker 1: big eyes, but nothing about the color initially. The color

159
00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,400
Speaker 1: seems to come in later and later. But but basically

160
00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,920
Speaker 1: what happens is that she tells the story, it gets

161
00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,800
Speaker 1: on the news, and choopy fever takes off. So take that, John,

162
00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,280
Speaker 1: Paul Ringo and George, you guys suck the picture by

163
00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,680
Speaker 1: the end anyway, true, true, But this this creature has

164
00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,400
Speaker 1: no fur, are very little for on its body. And yeah,

165
00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,040
Speaker 1: well then the scaling scene is kind of gray maybe green,

166
00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,640
Speaker 1: which is very weird, and that makes sense for that area, well,

167
00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,240
Speaker 1: it kind of does. But and the other thing is

168
00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,760
Speaker 1: that it doesn't have Okay, so the hands, the description

169
00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,760
Speaker 1: of the hands morph. They go from what we would

170
00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,480
Speaker 1: consider a normal hand with five fingers to a hand

171
00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,520
Speaker 1: that is yeah, mad graining style hand where it's only

172
00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,440
Speaker 1: got three fingers total including the thumb. Graining has three

173
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,640
Speaker 1: fingers plus. That's fair, that's fair. Okay, So it's no no, okay,

174
00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,000
Speaker 1: So if we're gonna say it's got a thumb, it's

175
00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,760
Speaker 1: got two fingers and a thumb, okay, with dinosaur the

176
00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,360
Speaker 1: hind of dinosaur esque, that's not we're there yet, not

177
00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:53,280
Speaker 1: there yet back all right, so that is what Magdalene's

178
00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,560
Speaker 1: initial version sort of evolved too. But from there the

179
00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,200
Speaker 1: chiope of cobra changed form and he began to evolve

180
00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,480
Speaker 1: in more and more descriptions. The chupacabra became a strange

181
00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,439
Speaker 1: kind of upright lizard creature that then became some sort

182
00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,839
Speaker 1: of naked or bald kangaroo like creature like the big

183
00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,199
Speaker 1: giant hoppy legs, but at the same time had wings

184
00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,680
Speaker 1: like weirdly little or medium sized, leathery bat style wing

185
00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,760
Speaker 1: where they you know, flight and docing or really too

186
00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,800
Speaker 1: little for flight. They appeared to be flight inducing or

187
00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,120
Speaker 1: at least gliding wings because somebody reported that the chupacabra

188
00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,560
Speaker 1: flew out of the trees and attacked them as they

189
00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,360
Speaker 1: were running away, kind of like Ingrid. What's that guy

190
00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,600
Speaker 1: from years ago, the story we did Ingrid Cold? Yeah, yeah,

191
00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,760
Speaker 1: something like that. But yeah, I mean it could kind

192
00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,920
Speaker 1: of gliding wings. Maybe you can't actually fly, but he

193
00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,520
Speaker 1: can glide, right, So flying squirrel doesn't actually fly and glide,

194
00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,080
Speaker 1: so it's the same theory as it's kind of a

195
00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:00,520
Speaker 1: gliding chupicabra, right, okay later, sorry, And wings that are

196
00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:07,160
Speaker 1: separate from arms, right, correct, correct the yes. From there,

197
00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,960
Speaker 1: the creature would move moreph again into something that is

198
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,720
Speaker 1: more of a dog like form. And sometimes this dog

199
00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,040
Speaker 1: would stand on two legs. Sometimes it would stand on four.

200
00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,520
Speaker 1: When it was on four, it could be standing up

201
00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,640
Speaker 1: to four ft high. You know, a four ft tall

202
00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,719
Speaker 1: dog is a big dog. Yeah. And now if it's

203
00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,679
Speaker 1: a dog standing up on its hind legs and it's

204
00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,360
Speaker 1: four ft high, well that's your average you know, chihuahua

205
00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,400
Speaker 1: on steroids, so that's not so big. But still yeah,

206
00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,840
Speaker 1: I know I'm joking. Don't give me that look, but

207
00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's still a big critter if it's upright,

208
00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,600
Speaker 1: Because not a lot of dog shaped animals, well not

209
00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,599
Speaker 1: a whole lot of animals in this world are bipedal,

210
00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,480
Speaker 1: So you can see why this story is kind of

211
00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,960
Speaker 1: really gets people going. But that's not the only version.

212
00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,079
Speaker 1: There is yet another version of the chooper crop. But

213
00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,480
Speaker 1: that says it is more monkey like and it has

214
00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of hair, or at least it has a

215
00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,840
Speaker 1: lot of hair on its arms, So that might account

216
00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,240
Speaker 1: for more of the flying out of the trees on

217
00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,440
Speaker 1: somebody like, less flying and more jumping to land on

218
00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,800
Speaker 1: a person because it just flings behind them and looks

219
00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,520
Speaker 1: like yeah. Well and listen, monkeys are known to jump

220
00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,200
Speaker 1: out of trees onto people or things. If they don't

221
00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,040
Speaker 1: like you, they will jump on you and slap you,

222
00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,840
Speaker 1: or if they like you, they'll jump on you and

223
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,400
Speaker 1: love you. Yeah. It's kind of a weird, like confused

224
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,600
Speaker 1: with the message. Yeah, I'm just saying I don't know

225
00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,960
Speaker 1: which is better, but well, it depends on your your

226
00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,080
Speaker 1: perspective on monkeys. I'm not sure I want to be

227
00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:48,680
Speaker 1: loved by monkey, but anyway, that's okay, okay. Uh, there's

228
00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,160
Speaker 1: the matter of the chipper coppers tail. Sometimes that tail

229
00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,480
Speaker 1: is short, sometimes that tail doesn't exist at all, and

230
00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,840
Speaker 1: sometimes that tail is kind of long and spike. So

231
00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,200
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty clear from the evidence that is a

232
00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,600
Speaker 1: shape shifter to a degree I'm not going to disagree with. Actually,

233
00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,440
Speaker 1: I would say so that's that could be one of

234
00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,560
Speaker 1: the reasons that and maybe I should be talking about

235
00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,280
Speaker 1: this could be one of the reasons that we haven't

236
00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,600
Speaker 1: proven its existence yet. Uh, you know, and you might

237
00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,480
Speaker 1: want to hang onto that that's actually not in the

238
00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,120
Speaker 1: right up section for the theories, but we can hang

239
00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,520
Speaker 1: onto that for theories if you want. Okay, yeah, all right,

240
00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,440
Speaker 1: I promised to try. Let's see what else have we

241
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,640
Speaker 1: got in commonality. Oh well, this is what Devon brought

242
00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,560
Speaker 1: up earlier, the eyes of the chip of Cabra. So

243
00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,280
Speaker 1: in the beginning they were large eyes, but now more

244
00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,680
Speaker 1: and more often they are large red almost kind of

245
00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,000
Speaker 1: red glowing eyes. Have you ever seen those photos of

246
00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,560
Speaker 1: like big cats at night when somebody sharing the spotlight

247
00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,720
Speaker 1: on them and their eyes suddenly light up in that

248
00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,760
Speaker 1: mirror red creepy way. Yeah, well, yes they do. But

249
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,520
Speaker 1: what I don't know is if it's that kind of

250
00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,400
Speaker 1: light up or if it's the space alien giant you know,

251
00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,960
Speaker 1: like hands size, massive eyeball and a reflection it actually

252
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,600
Speaker 1: does go out correct? Correct? Does this alien have LEDs

253
00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,080
Speaker 1: in its head? Or is it just the ambient light reflecting?

254
00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't know which one it is, uh now. I So,

255
00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,960
Speaker 1: by the way, this is one thing that I really

256
00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,520
Speaker 1: so when I was looking at all of the description

257
00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,680
Speaker 1: of the chupy it got very very confusing. One of

258
00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,560
Speaker 1: the things that I really really liked was if you

259
00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,160
Speaker 1: go out to the crypti wiki and you search the

260
00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,600
Speaker 1: Choopa Cabra there's a series of illustrations, all kind of

261
00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,400
Speaker 1: side by side, and while they're conceptual drawings, they really

262
00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,600
Speaker 1: kind of help put into perspective of the difference between

263
00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,360
Speaker 1: one to the next. So if you want to see that,

264
00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,800
Speaker 1: I'd recommend going to the Crypti wiki and checking that

265
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,040
Speaker 1: out because that help out a lot. I've always actually

266
00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,120
Speaker 1: kind of had, among other ages, a Scupi in my head.

267
00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,880
Speaker 1: I've always kind of pictured him as like being dressed

268
00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,399
Speaker 1: in a trench cut with a wide rim fedora soho

269
00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,720
Speaker 1: al capone, al capone more, just like like a film

270
00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,320
Speaker 1: noir guy, kind of film noir kind of spike, kind

271
00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,600
Speaker 1: of like you know, James Jesus Angleton. Yeah, I'd never

272
00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,440
Speaker 1: really thought of Chupy in that way. Yeah, that's not

273
00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,080
Speaker 1: how I think of him either. Do you think about

274
00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,040
Speaker 1: in Devon so we're talking about descriptions, Yeah, I think more.

275
00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,040
Speaker 1: I think like a kind of version of a Scaly

276
00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,480
Speaker 1: slash Harry kind of thing. I don't know. I mean,

277
00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,639
Speaker 1: I like the original description of you know, scaly with

278
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,600
Speaker 1: the spikes, but I also for some reason think of

279
00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,960
Speaker 1: him as like cuddly and furry. I don't have a

280
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,480
Speaker 1: good time reconciling I kind of am in this this

281
00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,679
Speaker 1: shape shifter camp. My favorite, my favorite description or my

282
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,199
Speaker 1: favorite visual of the chupy is the one that we

283
00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:54,240
Speaker 1: put on the Nightlight years ago. Yeah, hamster with the

284
00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,359
Speaker 1: the scary claws and the knife and the wings, like,

285
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,640
Speaker 1: that's my favorite description. But of course that's because that's

286
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,320
Speaker 1: the way I see it, and so I was able

287
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,080
Speaker 1: to visualize it. Ye. Well, let's get there's still by

288
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,400
Speaker 1: the way. Don't forget though, We've still got more description

289
00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,240
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about here. Okay, so you remember we

290
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,720
Speaker 1: talked about the hands went from five finger to less

291
00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,160
Speaker 1: graining and more three fingers style. Well, depending on your

292
00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:24,359
Speaker 1: opinion of thumbs, yes, digits perfect. Well, those digits seem

293
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,119
Speaker 1: to be to blame for the next the holes that

294
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,520
Speaker 1: are found in the necks of choppy praying instead of teeth. Yes,

295
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,920
Speaker 1: yeah to a degree. Yeah, like that seems to be

296
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, have you ever okay, so, have you ever

297
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,560
Speaker 1: gone to get a to go drink and the lid

298
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,000
Speaker 1: has a little plastic bit but you've got to actually

299
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,879
Speaker 1: put your finger in it to open it like a

300
00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,760
Speaker 1: coffee like it took coffee that kind of thing. Yeah,

301
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,040
Speaker 1: and then you scream and shout about how much we'll

302
00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 1: think about what Choppy has to do. He's got to

303
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,199
Speaker 1: do the same thing to the neck of a critter

304
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,560
Speaker 1: to get his meal. So he's always angry at them

305
00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,439
Speaker 1: because it's it burns him and they're biting at you know.

306
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,800
Speaker 1: That's why they give you straws. You're not supposed to

307
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:12,440
Speaker 1: use your finger, use a straw or like in this stage. Yeah,

308
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,679
Speaker 1: I mean, so he used the coffees to her or something.

309
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,560
Speaker 1: Go on, do you like a human listen? I've been

310
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 1: relying on you people to help me consume food like

311
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:28,120
Speaker 1: a normal human being. Crawls that you use a tool.

312
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So that aside. The real thing is that

313
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 1: the story appears to be that maybe Chupy is holding

314
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 1: his fingers and he is jabbing into the neck of

315
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 1: it and then and then immediately going to it and

316
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 1: sucking all of the fluid out of creature, which at

317
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,400
Speaker 1: a substantial amount of which is very vampiric. Is there

318
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 1: blood dribbles to suggest that well there's blood? I mean,

319
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, is there're enough that it would

320
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 1: be like poke? I guess I gotta put my mouth

321
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 1: on it now. Yeah, I don't think that he's trying

322
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 1: to be the little Dutch boy and stem the flow.

323
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,479
Speaker 1: I think he might be trying to be the exact

324
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 1: opposite and increase the flow with pressure, that kind of pressure. Okay, Yeah,

325
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 1: he might even actually grabbing his pot in his paws

326
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: and give him a good squeeze. He's giving them a hug.

327
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 1: He's giving them a hug in their final moments to

328
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 1: make them comfy. Does anybody believe that? Okay, okay, let's

329
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 1: move forward. Then, so we've already established why there might

330
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 1: be this vampiric element because of the stabbing and then

331
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 1: the lack of blood. What I find really really funny

332
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: about the name choo Pacabra, of course, is that when

333
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 1: you translate that to Spanish, because that's where it came from,

334
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: it directly translates to goats sucker, as in the sucker

335
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: of blood of goats. But what I really love is

336
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: that goats are I mean, that infers that all the

337
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,479
Speaker 1: chacabra is after his goats, but it's farm animals like

338
00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 1: sheep and chicken or dogs or all these others are

339
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 1: also seemed to be prey. So it's a bit of

340
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: a mishnoms no no, it's it's not at all. Unusually

341
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: the animal came them for somebody to have a preferred

342
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,439
Speaker 1: for food group. But at the same time, you know,

343
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: when goats aren't available, you gotta you gotta do something.

344
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: You got to eat. I mean, you know, Chap the

345
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: dog or whatever. Yeah. One thing to bear in mind

346
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: is that in Choopy's natural hunting ground usually wild goats,

347
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 1: but once it becomes urbanized or taken over by farms,

348
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: it's replaced by farm animals, and so he is left

349
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: to hunt whatever he can. Are you thinking that Choppy

350
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: is in an area where fainting goats are natural? Yeah,

351
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: that's why. No, I mean no, I'm sorry. I was

352
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: being kind of smart smart ass there, but no, you can.

353
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there were wild goats everywhere, and

354
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 1: then people came over and you know, started at agriculture

355
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: in that area, and suddenly you gotta hunt other things.

356
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: Come on, man, But luckily, luckily, I guess you never

357
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: started hunting human beings, thankfully. And there are just to

358
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: set the record straight, there are no accounts anywhere of

359
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: a chupa cabra actually attacking, not like these people who

360
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: were chupy jumped on them. That should be appears to

361
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: have jumped on them and that was it. No actual attacks,

362
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: inflicting damage or attempting to feed on a human. So

363
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: apparently the long pig is not on the menu for

364
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: the cabra. Well that's because the vampires get the credit

365
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: at that point. They've got like sort of like not

366
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship, not not symbiotic, but they just have sort

367
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: of they just they have their own territories. They don't

368
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: they don't intrude, you know, I mean, or they have

369
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: their own prey. Yeah, thanks, Yeah, all right, well let's

370
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: keep going up. Oh well, actually that's all I have

371
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: for background on the chupa cabra. So essentially, to kind

372
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: of to summit all of that, the little monster can

373
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 1: be taller, short, harrier, bald, have small or large eyes

374
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: that are black or red, have a flat face or

375
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: a long face with big snout. This is a very

376
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: concrete description that would hold up in a court of

377
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: law if the little Booker would ever just show up

378
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: in court. I was gonna say, didn't you say that

379
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: this was a concrete example, as we're not not in

380
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: centuries past sarca sarcasm it yeah, yeah, the chupys descriptions

381
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: are all over the place. And that's my favorite part

382
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: and my least favorite part about this story. It's a

383
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: hard thing, is that, well, which one is it? Is

384
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: it Chupy? Is it the Jersey Devil? Is it this

385
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: other thing? Like? Yeah, to a degree, now, um, I

386
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: will mention that in the Chupacabra story seems to have

387
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: really gained ground in Puerto Rico that then spread to

388
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: Central South and North America. That story has now even

389
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: gone so far that Chupacabra site. Things are happening in

390
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: eastern Europe, by the way. That's from Choopy and the

391
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: Aliens band tour, which I believe was the get your

392
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: Goat and why the hell is this so cold here? Tour?

393
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that I go Yeah, we all have that shirt.

394
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: So that's but that's that's all we have about the

395
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: story of the choop A Cabra. I find it funny

396
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: that he spread so far, but you know, he's an

397
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: industrious little critter that too. Maybe that's why he spread

398
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: so far, as he's actually prolific in the reproductive way.

399
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: Maybe you never know, there's that, or it might just

400
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: be that he stays on the move to to avoid

401
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: contact with human beings, kind of the gypsy lifestyle stuff.

402
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: Maybe that too. Well, let's uh, we've we've finished up

403
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: all of the basic descriptions, so let's talk about the

404
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: theories about the chiop Cabra. But before we do that,

405
00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. Hey, Devon, do you like running?

406
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: You bet? I do, Steve, And you know what I

407
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: love running from the most held? You do? You running

408
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: away from the chuppy? Uh? So do you have a

409
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: favorite kind of running, Geared Evan? Why Bomba's socks. Of course,

410
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: they're so comfortable with that crazy honeycomb heart support system.

411
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: I know that my feet are getting the support they

412
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: need and they make you look less like a goat,

413
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: So the chuppy won't come after you, am I right? Uh? Yeah, sure, Joe.

414
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: Anyway back to this end they were recording, So tell me, Devon,

415
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: is there anything else that you like about Bomba's. Oh, Steve,

416
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: there are so many things I like about Bomba's. To

417
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: start off with, there's the super soft cop material, which

418
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: is just amazing because it keeps your feet warm in

419
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: the winter and cool in the summer, and man is

420
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: it hot here right now. The other really fantastic thing

421
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: is that they give so much to those in need.

422
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: Bamba do. It's one pair of socks for repair they sell,

423
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: which is like over seven million a year. That's pretty

424
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: amazing to me, it sure is. And the thing you

425
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: need to understand is that that little devil dog Chupacaba

426
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: sure isn't doing anything like that for anyone. That is

427
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: totally true, Joe. All that little monster does is sit

428
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: around and smoke cigars all day before assaulting livestock. I

429
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: have to say, my favorite thing about Bombas is the

430
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: fact that they fit so well on me. There is

431
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: just something great about wearing socks that stay in place

432
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: while I don't really feel like I feel them there,

433
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: and I never get those gnarly lines on my feet

434
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: that other socks leave, which is why I really like

435
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: them and I really wear them so much. So, dear listener,

436
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: if you'd like some Bombas of your own, then have

437
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: we got a great offer to share with you. You

438
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: can now get off your first order of Bomba's by

439
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: going to Bomba's dot com slash sideways and using the

440
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: promo code sideways. That's Bomba's b O M b a

441
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: s dot com slash Sideways with the promo code sideways

442
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: to get off your first order. That's right, because Bomba's

443
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: have been helping people out run chupy since sometime after

444
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: the law pass instident. Ay ready, ju ju jube chuo

445
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: juo chube juba caa chupacabra. Okay, and we're back. Let's

446
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: talk about theories. WHOA. So, theory number one is that

447
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: the chuba cobra is a dinosaurs one. Well, yeah, yeah,

448
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: a long ignored, unobserved dinosaur because this creature is short,

449
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: it's got leathery skin like a lizard, and it's got

450
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: spikes on its head and those are running down its back,

451
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: which is kind of sounds like a stegosaurus to me. Yeah.

452
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: But but if you think about it, though, the problem

453
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: with this theory is that if we're going to look

454
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: at the island of Puerto Rico, there are no large

455
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: lizards that are native to that island. There's some iguanas

456
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: and there's some geckos, but none of them are near

457
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: big enough to be what is described as the chio picabra.

458
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: Nor do they walk on their hind legs. Yeah, yeah,

459
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: lizards sho't typically walk that way. So that's a problem

460
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: and us so about the thing about it is is

461
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: that you know, it could have could have gotten there

462
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: somehow at a ship, say, for example. And we're going

463
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: to talk about that because that is that infers some

464
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: kind of longevity or past in other places, which I

465
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: would think would be reported on prior to this. But

466
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a later theory. But I will

467
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: say that the fact that it is unobserved because there

468
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: are there are creatures that are old, like some fish

469
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: or crocodiles or certain creatures like that that have have

470
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: found no reason to change or evolve over the millennia

471
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: that are's basically the same now as they were when

472
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: the t rex was running around. Well, that's the idea

473
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: of this theory, is that the jupicabra is the same

474
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: thing it was of a hundred thousand years ago, especially

475
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: if it was like you know, like shape shifter. If

476
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: that's what it is, that's the most ultimate coolest adaptation ever.

477
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: So why would it change? Yeah? So okay, well, so

478
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing is that we're going to go into

479
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: the shape shifter in just a second because I want

480
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: you to flesh that out. But for me, the fact

481
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: that if it had been originally on the island of

482
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico for that entire time. It's amazing to me

483
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: if it's just a plane dinosaur, not the shape shifting kind,

484
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: but a plane dinosaur, that it would have gone for

485
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: all of the time that people are on that island

486
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: on observed and undescribed in any lord that that to

487
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: me is that's awkward or weird or strange. It doesn't

488
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: make sense. Well, it could have been a fluke that

489
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: brought it there. Yeah, I was just gonna say, I mean,

490
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: I think what Joe was saying earlier isn't is worth

491
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: considering that it wasn't always on Puerto Rico. It could

492
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: have come from Central or South America, where there are

493
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: as we have talked about recently, fast swaths of this

494
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: kind of those areas that I just are totally unexplored.

495
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: That something like a dinosaur could have existed for thousands

496
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: of years, millions of years totally undiscovered, and then somehow,

497
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, managed to get itself wrangled up in like

498
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: a timber shipment or something that ended up you know,

499
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico. I mean, and then suddenly, because Puerto

500
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: Rico is so much smaller, suddenly and so much more populous. Yeah,

501
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: where it came from. I mean, I just think it's

502
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: worth No, no, I'm not going to completely discredit it.

503
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: I disagree with it, but I'm not gonna just credit Joe.

504
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: Tell him flesh out a little more. Though. Your shape

505
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: shifter idea, Well, it's not that fleshy really, It's just

506
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: it's more leathery. Yeah, it depends on the day. You know.

507
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: I ate a bunch of carbs today, so I'm kind

508
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: of a fleshy shape shifter. But no, I mean, it's

509
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: just it's just this obvious. Uh. And I think, you know,

510
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: indisputable that since the accounts have very so much in

511
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: describing the troop of Cabra, that you know, he must

512
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: be a shape shifter, you know. I think it's like

513
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: in disputing, one day he looks like an ant eater,

514
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: the next like a monkey, and one day he looks

515
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: like Bob from the local tribe. Yeah. Yeah, listen, everybody

516
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: said Bob was a weird looking dude, So I get it.

517
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: He had he had a weird craving, he had a

518
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: weird affection for the local goasts. That was that was

519
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: really what set him apart. But that could be also

520
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: it makes him. So elusive is because being a shape

521
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: shifter like he is, and it's like if somebody spots him,

522
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: he can dart away and then just morph into a

523
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: dog or something or a sheep and nobody yeah, or

524
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: part of the herd. Yeah, suddenly yeah, suddenly, boom, he's gone.

525
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, weird, we there's a there's a

526
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: sheep missing from the herd, but we have the right number. Yeah, yeah, No,

527
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I cannot think if there's I've read books about shape

528
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: shifters before and how they would integrate into society, So

529
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: that's that's not unheard of, and it makes sense. I mean,

530
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, when you come right down to it,

531
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: Choppy could be sitting in this room right now. Yeah,

532
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: so let me take off my mask christ for walking. No,

533
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: that's not how it actually works. Off my mask, I'm

534
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. Yeah, you don't jump on the couch enough

535
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: to be Tom Cruise. Okay, let's move to our next theory.

536
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: The next theory is that the chupa cober is actually

537
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: some kind of vampiric animal, because remember, you know, the

538
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: chupy is supposedly norious for sucking the blood out of

539
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: its victims and that gives the impression that it is Again,

540
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: it is giving the impression that it only is able

541
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: to sustain itself on the blood meal of other creatures,

542
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: and that would explain why people originally called it the vampire,

543
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: the vampire, the vampire of Mocha. Well, there are animals

544
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: on this planet that do partially or entirely survive on

545
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: blood meals. So there's leeches, vampire bats, some birds, some bugs,

546
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: even some plants out there that do it. Yeah, but

547
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: there's no evidence. This is the the issue with it

548
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: is that there's not no evidence of anything as large

549
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: as a chupacabra, independent of which size version of the

550
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: chubacabra you want to adhere to out there that is

551
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: surviving on that much blood as it's only food source.

552
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: But but bear with me here because this the way

553
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: I said, that implies that the only food source it

554
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: has is blood, which is wrong to presume we don't

555
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: know that. Well, yeah, because there are there are a

556
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: bunch of animals out there that consume blood, but that's

557
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: not the only thing they eat. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

558
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, it doesn't really stand to

559
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: reason that an animal that large would be able to

560
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: sustain itself just on blood. Blood is very nutritious. Blood

561
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: can be very nutritious, but probably not for an animal

562
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: of that size. They have to feed on a lot

563
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: of animals to get the right amount of blood, and

564
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a very balanced diet to only drink blood.

565
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some animals that do. This is

566
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: why you put cellery in your bloody Mary, Yeah, but

567
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: it might be that that's kind of this hunting strategy

568
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: is to punks of the animals like herotid arteryy suck

569
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: out enough blood to it loses consciousness and thattic and

570
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: like you know, feed and you know consumed the meat part.

571
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: But then why are they finding all the animals that

572
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: have the hallmarks of being because because He's interrupted before, Well,

573
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. The issue is that the blood

574
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: sucking is always described as the way that the animal died.

575
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: There is no post consumption of the creature. So the

576
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: goat has its neck punctured and all the blood is gone,

577
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: but the goat is not torn apart and consumed. It

578
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: is still sitting there whole. But that's just the ghosts

579
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: they find. Correct, Okay, I will get that. But and

580
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: but Here's the thing is that if we're going to

581
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: say it's a vampiric animal, there are Okay, let's talk

582
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: about the vampire finch, which is a finch on the

583
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: Galapagos Islands. It eats seas and bugs and grubs just

584
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: like finches do. The only difference is that in the

585
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: dry season or the season where there's not a whole

586
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: lot of its normal food around, what this particular finch

587
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: does is it goes up and it plucks the tail

588
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: feathers out of bigger birds and creates a wound that bleeds,

589
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: and then it feeds on that blood. And apparently you

590
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: will see a line of finches behind a big bird

591
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: and once they've consumed enough, they'll fly away and the

592
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: next one will come up open the wound a little

593
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: bit to keep it bleeding and keep consuming. Yeah, but listen,

594
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: there are animals who do this. It is a I

595
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: mean leeches, and there's are all kinds of creatures that

596
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: it's a creepy, creepy thing to us as people, but

597
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: nature finds a way, so there are animals that do it.

598
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: It's just the scale, well scale, but there is a

599
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: scale thing. But also but still, I mean, I I

600
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: still think as a hunting strategy to suck the blood

601
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: to it loses consciousness and then you go up in

602
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: your chow down after that. It could be too that

603
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: lots of lots of chippy victims have been found, but

604
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: they were assumed to be psychioty attacks or other while attacks. Yeah,

605
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: that's true. I guess this is why Joe's not allowed.

606
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: That's true. No, I mean the only thing is I

607
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: think in like fantasy land theory, the idea of sucking

608
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: blood and tell your victim is you have to have

609
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: you have to have some kind of like mesmerized thing

610
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: to write where the animals not going to fight back

611
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: because like hanging onto an animal. Yeah, you have to

612
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: be really strong and be able to suck blood like

613
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: really really fast, because in reality, if you even if

614
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: you puncture like a major artery and animal's gonna immediately

615
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: just fight back really really hard, it would be faster

616
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: almost to just like fold the entire neck at or

617
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: yeah something like. Okay, So I'm going to disagree with

618
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: that because I've for some reason, I've been watching a

619
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: lot of videos of lions on the planes attacking large Uh,

620
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: what's the what do you call animals with the gazels

621
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: like gazelles, the the the split hoof underlands underlands, and

622
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: they grab them, they they're choking them more than anything,

623
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: Like they are opening the veins in their neck by

624
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: biting them, but more often than not, what they're doing

625
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: is they're actually choking. But that's the exact same thing

626
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, that's more efficient, Okay, but it is

627
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: possible than in the process of opening these holes that

628
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: are bleeding the animal out, they're also cutting off the windpipe.

629
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm not in bed with this theory, don't get me wrong,

630
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that, like, just because this is happening

631
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: doesn't mean something else is happening. But I will tell

632
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: you that there's another larger problem with this whole vampiric angle,

633
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: which is that these animals are that are that are

634
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: found or supposedly have been drained of all their blood.

635
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: But we don't know that for sure because one of

636
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: the things that we've talked about on the show before

637
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: is liver mortis, which is that process where you know

638
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: your blood is being pushed around the body mortis no

639
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: livermore livermore is the blood is being pushed around and

640
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: then once the heart stops, the blood is a liquid,

641
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: so it does what all liquids do. It settles to

642
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: the lowest point, the path of least resistance, at which

643
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: point it pools and coagulates. So if if a rancher

644
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: comes out and says, oh my god, my prize goat,

645
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: Jenny has been killed, well what's happened? And you try

646
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: to cut Jenny open to see what's going on, and

647
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: you kind of expect this spray of blood to happen,

648
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: but that doesn't happen. You go, she's got no blood

649
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: in her. Oh my god, she's been sucked dry. When

650
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: really what's happened is Jenny's blood is all sank to

651
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: whatever the lowest portion of her was and sort of

652
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: semi solidified. Well you know, but still you know, intentions

653
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: might be to completely exsanguinate the animal, but again it

654
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: gets interrupted and has to scamper off into the darkness

655
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: before I can suck all the blood out of it.

656
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: But whatever blood is in Jenny is going to settle

657
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: to Jenny's lowest bits. I just think, you know, Chippy

658
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: is trying to do Rancher as a favor, like they

659
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: have to eventually excigminate the body water anyway, So he's

660
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: just like helping them out, Yeah, just trying to make

661
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: the meat usable. Yeah maybe maybe. No, I don't like

662
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: this theory at all. Let's no. Yeah, really doing that

663
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: to Jenny and the other twenty four Jennifers is just

664
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: not nice. So let's keep moving on. So we have

665
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: another theory, which is that the chupa cabra is an alien. Yeah,

666
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: because what good story wouldn't involve an alien for goodness sake?

667
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: Zero exactly. That's not beyond the realm of possibility now,

668
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: so you preconsistently see the choopy being just chupacabra. By

669
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: the way, just so people don't get upset, we have

670
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: come to call the chupacabra Choopy because he's kind of

671
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: a friendly character to us. But and I keep saying

672
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: would be rather than chupa cabra. It's just a natural

673
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: automatic reaction because we've been talking about the chupa cobra

674
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: for like five years now. It's really just like calling

675
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: a friend, Jenny In said of Jennifer. Yeah, yeah, so

676
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: the twenty seven chupies that we're talking about here are awesome.

677
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: Come on, you know, the song up. Yeah, Yeah, it's

678
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: it's by the December Yeah catalog, yep, exactly. So when

679
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: you look up drawings and descriptions of this critter, you're

680
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: gonna find that it's not hard to see why some

681
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: people may say that the chupa cobra actually is an alien.

682
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: Some of the drawings it does look pretty. And the

683
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: alien theory kind of explains some things because listen, in

684
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties, there was some spot descriptions of

685
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: things that sounded like the chupa cabra, but it wasn't

686
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: until the mid nineties that it really started taking off. Well,

687
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: if the chupa cabra is an alien, that explains why

688
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: it suddenly showed up in the Middle a little the

689
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: Caribbean in the nineties, because it could be that, instead

690
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: of being a natural occurring earthlier, Um, what's the word

691
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking for, terrestrial creature. It's an extraterrestrial in that

692
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: this creature suddenly shows up and starts playing havoc here

693
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: in our ecosystems and we're not expecting it. I mean,

694
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: it might also explain the vampiric nature, right, I mean,

695
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: you know it's possible that creatures from other worlds have

696
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: developed a different physiology, and yeah, they found a blood

697
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: just generally more nutritious. It's like crack. Yeah, and it

698
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: literally could be alien crack. So this could be I

699
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: can see a couple of possibilities here. One is that

700
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: like say some aliens land here like eons ago, could

701
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: be centuries, thousands of years ago, and for whatever reason,

702
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: their their ship broke down and they and they were

703
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: stuck here and they wind up basically because I mean imagine, say,

704
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: for example, if the three of us wind up stuck

705
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: in a jungle somewhere, are we going to build a

706
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: new civilization or are we going to wind up living

707
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: a savagery new civilization? Obviously, yeah, of course. But but

708
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: these aliens are dumber than we are. There's space traveling dummies.

709
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: So they wind up, you know, basically foraging and getting

710
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: they're the rednecks in space traveler. Yeah, but they returned. Well,

711
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of a lot of us really

712
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: don't have the wherewithal too. Most of us could build

713
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: a car, Yeah, none of us good and so and

714
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: so basically they reserved. They reverted essentially to savagery. Okay,

715
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: after centuries that there's still some descendants to the original

716
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: Aliens and out there, maybe even more, but there's still

717
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: not huge numbers or anything like that, and they're still

718
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: out and about. I'll take you a step further. If

719
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: an Aliens dog, Pete they had on their spaceship they

720
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: landed and it ran off, ran off, they were like, hush,

721
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: we got to get out of here. The human puppy

722
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: they're doing well, this sucks. Why do we call you

723
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: fluffy when you have no I don't know, but it's

724
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: the language difference. And then it's you know, that explains

725
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: why maybe they might be smart enough for space travel

726
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: but not smart enough to start there. But I will

727
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I will actually trade change. That is that they may

728
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: they may not be smart enough for space travel, but

729
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: they may be some kind of interstellar hitchhiker, but the

730
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: interstellar hitchhiker kind that is not smart enough to bring

731
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: our own towels. Yeah. That's the other thing I was thinking,

732
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: is that they're just basically like rats on ships, you know,

733
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: here in the in this this world, not this country,

734
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: just world enormous, but but cloaked alien ship basically lands

735
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: in a few places on the planet and some of

736
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: these things just pop off out of the hold or

737
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: wherever they're hiding out in there. Maybe they flush them

738
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: out because they're like, oh god, we have a bed

739
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: bug infestation. The whatever their equivalent of bed bugs is,

740
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: get rid of it alright, Like the movie Critters, remember

741
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: Critters or a horrible but fun movies. I don't think

742
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: I saw that one. Well, that was from the late

743
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: eighties where they were a little round, hairy things and

744
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: they would roll. You need to see that, you'll hate it, okay,

745
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: but I need to see more movies like that. But

746
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: another possibility, of course, is that the aliens pop by

747
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: and just left these critters off as like kind of

748
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: hunting animals. Essentially, they just wanted to leave them here

749
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: and let them breathe, and they come back and just

750
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: hunt them for sport later on, and maybe who knows,

751
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: maybe they do come back occasionally and hunt up for sports. See.

752
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: The problem though, the whole problem, the joy and the

753
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: terror that is this theory is that your belief in aliens.

754
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: If you believe in aliens, this totally makes sense. If

755
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: you don't believe in aliens, this theory is complete and utter.

756
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: Pooh absolutely conceded to not believe in aliens. But we

757
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: can go down that route a whole different. Yeah. We

758
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: we've gone down that more than once, and I don't

759
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: think we need to go down it again. I'm sure

760
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: they're around it. The big question is is are they

761
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: visiting Earth or have they? You know, that's that's the

762
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: big question. Yeah. I think hitchhiker is a good one. Yeah, okay,

763
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: well let's let's by the way. Yeah, I know, that's

764
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: why I said they're not good enough to bring their

765
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: own damn powel. All right, let's go to the next theory,

766
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: which is that it is a not as I have written, genetical,

767
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: but an actual genetic mutation created by question mark exactly

768
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: how it's written out, but probably they've created in the

769
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: in the labs that on Plum Island, Oh yeah, yea,

770
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: or NASA. So as uh, as you're reading about Chubby

771
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: and the Chubster, you're gonna, you know, you're not going

772
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: to be surprised to learn that there are conspiracy theories

773
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: surrounding the Chub of Cabra. What I was surprised about

774
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: was where those conspiracy theories were at, because, as we

775
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: talked about before, Puerto Rico is a it's oh god,

776
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 1: what did we call it earlier? It's a it's an island,

777
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: an unincorporated it's an unincorporated state of the United States,

778
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: and that is it's a territory. So theoretically that's going

779
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: to change soon. But apparently the residence of Puerto Rico

780
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: they don't really like the U. S. Government in ways

781
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: because they feel like they're not treated right, and they

782
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: feel like the U. S. Government is sometimes hiding things

783
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: from them, which I don't disagree with because I think

784
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: the US government is hiding things for me all the time,

785
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: so I get that. What happens here, though, is that

786
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: this theory says that this this creature is being hidden

787
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: from view and how that's happening or why that happening.

788
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: That theory kind of morph or splits into two veins.

789
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: The first vein is that the chupy, the chipicabra is

790
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: created by the US government lab. That lab happened to

791
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: be on Puerto Rico or the island Puerto Rico, and

792
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: that lab was working on genetic manipulation to create new critters,

793
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: so sort of like Dolly the sheep, you know, they

794
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: figured out how to clone a critter. So it's in

795
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: that same vein research like spliced together various DNA from

796
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: various critters goat and a lizard, and you know, I

797
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: don't know an other mean thing. I really want to

798
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: merge this theory with one of the previous theories to

799
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: create the what I will now call the Jurassic Park theory.

800
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: That it could be a dinosaur totally resuscitated by the

801
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: US government that escaped, so it's a raptor, and it

802
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: could just be some kind of dinosaur that we don't

803
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: necessarily know about. If it's gonna be Jurassic Park, it's

804
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: going to be a raptor. Alright, Fine, it's some sort

805
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: of weird wrapper that we don't know about. They created

806
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: lots of difference little dinoas for that for that park.

807
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: But it makes me put the best. But it's scariest.

808
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: But you know, it may well be that it's it's

809
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: bigger than this. It wasn't just something that escaped. Actually,

810
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: there's a U. S. Government plant who just turned the

811
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: entire island of Puerto Rico into Jurassic Park, which makes

812
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: sense actually because the population is leaving there in droves.

813
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, pretty soon it's gonna be empty.

814
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: Might according to the news coverage, they're all leaving it,

815
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: yet everybody still seems to be living there. Yes, but

816
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: that's that's the theory, is that the US government created

817
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: this thing. Now it maybe it got out on its own,

818
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: or maybe they intentionally let it loose on the island

819
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: to turn it into a giant game park for drawing

820
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: in all the Chinese tourists to to to make money on.

821
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: We don't know. This theory, though, also splits because it's

822
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: what we talked about a little bit earlier, is that

823
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: instead the aliens had created this critter, and the aliens

824
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: came here, they dumped the chupa cabra onto the island

825
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: of Puerto Rico, and from there, of course, the aliens

826
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: in the US government, they're in bed together, sleeping on

827
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: their casper mattress, and they said, we've got to cover

828
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: this up with this giant duvey cover of misinformation. And

829
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: so they pulled up their big old blankie over the

830
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: chupa cabra and just said, no, that didn't happen. I don't.

831
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're happening. I didn't. That could

832
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: actually explain some of the incoherences of the descriptions of

833
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: the Chupe of Cabra is that you have your agents

834
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: actually actually report sightings of the Chupa cabra, but every

835
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: one of them looks a little different or even a

836
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: lot different, and that would that would totally destroy the

837
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: credibility of the original sightings, the actual real sightings true. Now, Joe,

838
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: I know you're you're a huge fan of always digging

839
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: into old historical information on these things. And I know

840
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: you came up with you found you came up with this,

841
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: So you found this, got this, dude. But the next

842
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: theory that you shoehorned into my script, well, and I

843
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: got this out of a book that in some reacharch

844
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: I was doing on the the assassination of Abraham Lincoln

845
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: and all the years because that happened. Yeah, and well

846
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: it did happen eventually. Apparently there were the assassination attempts.

847
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: He was controversial, but this was a rather controversial time

848
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: in our history. Um passions were running high, very very

849
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: high over the slavery thing and secession all that. But uh, well, yeah, yeah,

850
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: he he did not he did. What I was trying

851
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: to say is he didn't come into power with this

852
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: huge wave of approval. There was all kinds of factions

853
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: that were not happy about him, as his tends to

854
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: be kind of typical of first term presidents. When there's

855
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: a sea change, it's uh, you know, even when things

856
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: are fairly fairly okay, I mean, think things kind of

857
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: going nuts. People's guy doesn't there or a girl does

858
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: not win that the White House like they thought he

859
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: or she should, and everybody goes berserk. But let's get

860
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: back to our theory here. So in the eighteen fifties,

861
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: before obviously Lincoln became president, the Pakerton Detective Agency was

862
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: actually hired by Abraham Lincoln after they repeatedly thwarted an

863
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: assassination attempt against him, and he did not Yeah, I

864
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: did not know, well I had well, yeah, this is

865
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: part of the theory. I'm not so sure that I've

866
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: heard about this one before either, because you know, there

867
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: had been a previous one. I don't know, Well, it

868
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: just hasn't been publicized. Let's just say, obviously, they sort

869
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: of dropped the ball in the second attempt, you know, yeah, yeah,

870
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: well they did. Well. You know you gotta remember about

871
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: the second attempt, though, is that the Civil War was

872
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: basically over at that time, so everybody, Yeah, everybody was.

873
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: It was kind of probably kind of thinking, Okay, everybody's

874
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: just gonna go back to their corner and we're all

875
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: just going to kind of get over everything again. Maybe

876
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: that was it. I don't know, but yeah, the guard

877
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: was down. There was there was a member of the

878
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: Pinkerton's who was actually well known for his superior I

879
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: don't know his his instincts, I guess, and uh, he

880
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: was won by the code named cheap Block Holmes. Really yeah,

881
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: he was a key member of the agency. Yeah, cheap

882
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: Block Holmes. And he was kind of funny looking, but

883
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: he still had a massive success, right, so he was

884
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: accepted and promoted at in a trench coat a lot. Yeah, yeah,

885
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that the hat may have

886
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: been a way to draw attention away from his his appearance.

887
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but you know, eventually he came kind of

888
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: became disillusion with the organization and left. And rumor has

889
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: it he went south when he left, like towards the

890
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: Texas border maybe, uh yeah. And but you know, other

891
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: than that, surprisingly for a guy who spent so many

892
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 1: so much time with the agency, there's not that much

893
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: known about him. Uh. And then totally makes sense. Yeah,

894
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean he's spy, right, Yeah, well that's a good point.

895
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: He wants to be kind of an onymous. Yeah, although

896
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, if he's out there still, and I assume

897
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: he is, somebody named Arthur Conan Doyle actually actually did

898
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: some research into a time with the Pinkerton's and and

899
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: basically ripped it all off and made it into the

900
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: Sherlock Home Stories and made a pile of money on it.

901
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: And so there was a message left left behind, one

902
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: last message, coded message left for Allen Pinkerton, who was

903
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: the guy who started the Pinkerton Agency. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

904
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: Code breakers have not yet able to figure figured this

905
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: letter out. But so it said it clear and clear,

906
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: it said, what figured this one out? You're a racist

907
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: jerk face that. Yeah, but they haven't been able to

908
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: figure out what the code was. Yeah, maybe there is

909
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: no code. Maybe that was actually the Well it could

910
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: have been. It could and it could have been. Like

911
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: I said, some quoted messages are probably not really code

912
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: at all, just meant to just drive people nuts. Yeah.

913
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I think at least one or two of the Zodiac

914
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: messages are actually that way. I actually I totally agree. Yeah,

915
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: I think I do if this is a coded message,

916
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: I love the uncoded version because come on, or the

917
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: coded version. So Joe, I'm sorry, what does this have

918
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: to do with chop Cabra. Well, Troup Block Holmes is

919
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: believed by some people if peop Block Holmes might have

920
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: actually been a chip of cabra in disguise. Okay, yeah,

921
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean I homes of course, So whether it's the

922
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 1: super cobra, and we don't know if the chuper cobra

923
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: that we that we see today is the same one

924
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: from a hundred two hundred years ago. Some creatures actually

925
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: live a long long time. This is also a time

926
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: frame when people were playing with a lot of chemicals,

927
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: and it could be the chop Block Homes like figured

928
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: out some steam punky way to make a whole bunch

929
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: of chemicals to extend his life. But of course it

930
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: gave him a horrific skin condition and an abnormally large

931
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: love of goats. So literally, what you're saying is he

932
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: just figured out how to turn himself into a Victorian vampire.

933
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: No victory in goat fire. That doesn't work, does it. No,

934
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: it's still a vampire like a goat lover. Victorian goat lover. Okay,

935
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: let's just I'm going here like he's he's got a

936
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: thing for goats, but he lives forever. Yeah, but nobody's nobody.

937
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: I don't think our listeners are buying this, although I

938
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: kind of like your idea of Devon, that that he

939
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: maybe was experimenting with certain chemicals and want from being

940
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: basically a human being to this creature you know who,

941
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, kind of Jucklin Heights thing. Yeah, exactly, So

942
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, let's let's move on to the

943
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: next theory, which is this is actually a really simple theory,

944
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: which is that the chipicabra is real as described. In

945
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: other words, it is a real creature. It has never

946
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: actually been observed. It's truly a cryptid and nobody has

947
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: actually seen it. But there's nothing to say that it's

948
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: not right. And there are creatures out there that have

949
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: not that have been observed but haven't been scientifically captured

950
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: and categorized. And this happens from time to time, and

951
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: too you know the world. Yeah, what's that New species

952
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: do get discovered? They do, but it's still usually they're

953
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: in obscure locations, and they're they're in very remote corners

954
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: of the world to just be bouncing around in the

955
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: middle of South America and Puerto Rico. See a bit

956
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: far fetch, you think, so, I mean, like, you know,

957
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: it's Devin theorized earlier. You know, you could have somehow

958
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: got snagged up and wound up in some cargo that

959
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: got shipped to Puerto Rico as far as South America

960
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: in places like that, I mean, human settlements expanded and

961
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: expand into his territory. So you know it's entirely plausible. Well,

962
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: let's move to the we'll dump up for a second

963
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: because it's gonna then play into the next three, which

964
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: is that it's a myth. Because of course, my problem

965
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: with that is that there's the unobserved thing. But if

966
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: this animal were to have, possibly in some form, once

967
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: existed and then people are telling stories about it, because

968
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: people tell stories all the time to control behavior, whether

969
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: it's children or ethical reasons or whatever like, or to

970
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: stay out of the to stay out of areas for

971
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: religious reasons, like there's all kinds of things like that.

972
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Well there's that, but also people like a good creepy story.

973
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: But people popular people's imaginations are very very powerful things,

974
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, we all know this that

975
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: if you have details missing in something that you see,

976
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: your brain will fill in the missing piece, and normally

977
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: it becomes the scary things. That's why kids that see

978
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: at night they're with their toys and their hanging clothes,

979
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: that becomes Sully from you know, from what was the monsters? Yeah,

980
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: is a dress and a lego. My problem with that theory, though,

981
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: is that the chuper carbon poses no threat to humans. Right,

982
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: So most of those those myths surround either some sort

983
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: of creation story to explain perhaps like thunder something like that,

984
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: or something to keep the kids, like to scare the

985
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: kids witless so that they stay in the camp at night. Right,

986
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: It's very rare to be like, oh, the goats don't

987
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: have these puncture wounds and like there's nothing sucking their blood.

988
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: But let's just make something up. It could be a

989
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: scary thing to to actually ram home to the kids

990
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: the idea that they have to get the goats home

991
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: and in the corrality. That's true. But yeah, but you know,

992
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: it's just usually those kind of myth creations center around,

993
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: like you said, people and scare people either into behaving

994
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: or believing something, and then it has some some repercussion

995
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: for a human if they don't do that thing right. Well,

996
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: so let me share a story of suggestion and interpretation. Okay,

997
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: we're going to go back to which is when we

998
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: said the story kind of went viral, and we're going

999
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: to go back to Magdalene Tolentino. Yeah, in Puerto Rico,

1000
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: she remember the originator of the chupy that we know

1001
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: and love. Well, it turns out that Madeleine weeks before

1002
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: had gone to the theater and seen the movie Species.

1003
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, yeah, she did not just think

1004
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: that this was a movie. She thought this was something

1005
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: that was happening on the island of Puerto Rico. And

1006
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: if you go when you watch the movie Species, which

1007
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: is about the main character, Ish is this girl who

1008
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: becomes an a land and she gets all these weird

1009
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: things on her and if you look at it, she

1010
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: does get really big by the end. But if you

1011
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: look at her, she looks a lot like any creature

1012
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: created by hr Geiger, because lo and behold he wrote

1013
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: both stories the Aliens from the Alien series. And by

1014
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: the way, if you don't know what I'm talking about,

1015
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: stop pause us right now. Google hr Geiger aliens. You

1016
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: will see the creatures and they have large teeth, large

1017
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: spines across their backs. They're very they have a kind

1018
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: of an oily, glistening sheen style to them, Like he

1019
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,479
Speaker 1: has a very very specific style to the creature. He's said,

1020
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: but she wouldn't watch that movie not too long before

1021
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: she saw this. Yeah, but are you saying that, hr Geiger?

1022
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? So No, But what you

1023
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: are saying is that this is this theory isn't so

1024
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: much like, oh, it's a myth. The theory is this

1025
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: woman got confused, confused. Hold everybody but miss but miss

1026
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: are the same thing is that people see something in

1027
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: its suggestion and they take it and they spin it

1028
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: and they say they see something else, and then they

1029
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: tell everybody else, And that's what appears. According to Benjamin Radford, who,

1030
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: by the way, is a guy who investigated the origins

1031
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: of the chupacabra. He said, wait, Madeline went watched Species

1032
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: and then she reported a creature that looked like Still.

1033
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: I think Still is her name from Species, and lo

1034
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: and behold this thing took off. I just I'm resistant

1035
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: to this because I have a better theory. Okay, cool.

1036
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: You know what, fine, tell me you better theory. My

1037
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: matter theory involves the past. Actually it also it solves

1038
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: the past incident. Basically, it's my understanding that Choopy was

1039
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: actually an agent for the KGB, whether it be you know,

1040
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: a genetic mutation agent or like an actual agent in

1041
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: some way forced to coerce or coerced to work with

1042
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: the KGB. And I do, I mean, I kind of

1043
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: do think that that there was some sort of instead

1044
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: of the U. S. Government created this creature, maybe the

1045
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: KGB created this creature, or it could have been Tom

1046
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: Cruise in a rubber mask. Could have been Tom Cruise

1047
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: in a ruber mask. I think he's a little before

1048
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: his time, but for all, I don't know if somethingtologists

1049
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: might live forever. Just to go on the record, Tom

1050
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: Cruise is rubber mask, he is, he might he already

1051
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: is rubber mask is true. No, But I think that

1052
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: Choopy was was created, but he was somehow a KGB agent,

1053
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: and he was actually responsible for the desk at the

1054
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: Outlaw pass you like we said we were talking about,

1055
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he drains the blood to actually eat people.

1056
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: And and this could be a really good example of

1057
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: what happened. I mean, you know, in the frozen tundra,

1058
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying. It's five years ago, a joke

1059
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: by Jove turns out to be true. Yeah, well it

1060
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a joke, ye know. He had just started doing

1061
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: the research and I finished this research up for him.

1062
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, but he did not actually drink the blood

1063
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: from these guys at the pass, did he. Well, some

1064
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: of the bodies were like torn up, right, and so

1065
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: I think was destroyed. Yeah, I mean, you know it's possible.

1066
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they froze. I don't know really, but he

1067
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: realized on this incident something had gone wrong, like like

1068
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: we were just saying, you know, he tore the bodies up.

1069
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: Maybe he wasn't able to drink the blood. I don't

1070
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: know really what happened there. That's the remaining mystery of

1071
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: the law past. But because of this incident, he realized

1072
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: he didn't he couldn't work for the KGB anymore. He like,

1073
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: he just couldn't. So he defected because of that cigar.

1074
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it was the cigar, but even even

1075
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: back then, the KGB new KGB knew the secondhand smoke

1076
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: was a bad thing, and they you have been more

1077
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: really down on that whole thing. Well, I think he

1078
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: just was personally like horrified with the things that he

1079
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: was doing for the KGB. And so he'd defected to

1080
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: the U S government and they were like, listen, we

1081
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: can't have you in the contiguous United States. So Puerto

1082
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: Rico here, listen, Puerto Ricos not Yeah, they're not technically America.

1083
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: It's safe. People don't guess that you're there. There's lots

1084
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: of weird little farm land down there. It's great. So

1085
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: they sent him down there, gave him a farm for

1086
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: himself to kind of roam on. But since he hadn't

1087
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's not clearly not human. So

1088
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: since he didn't have an actual deed to the property

1089
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: in the US government was in this kind of situation

1090
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: where they had to deny owning the property. The property

1091
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: got developed, and again the Indian giver thing that we

1092
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: talk it's like in the Frank Finkel episode. They take

1093
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: it away and give it back. Yeah, they do that.

1094
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 1: I could just say it if you showed they show

1095
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: up to take his lands that you know, we're not.

1096
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: We decided to get this as somebody else and develop it. Well,

1097
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: even it like, you made this promise and now you're

1098
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: taking it back, and the guys when the government says, well, yeah,

1099
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: that's what we do. Yeah, I mean either that or

1100
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was just people who were local. They

1101
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: were like, well, that ranch isn't being used, so we

1102
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: might as well graize our goats on it. And then suddenly,

1103
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, he was feeding on goats and sheep and

1104
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: chicken and whatever because people were encroaching on his his

1105
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: normal hunting grounds with the U. S. Government had given

1106
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: him to By the way, yeah, have you ever eaten goat? Yeah,

1107
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: it's actually pretty good. It's not bad. I don't I

1108
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: don't blame Choopy for liking goat because I mean blood,

1109
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: oh well, well with with jerk sauce or some like spices. Yeah,

1110
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: in a in a barrel barbecue. That is the bomb

1111
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: right there. But no, I mean that's that's my I

1112
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, based on Joe's and my research, I think

1113
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: this is just to retire KGB defector retired to Puerto Rico. Okay, well,

1114
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's go ahead and move into the next three.

1115
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: Kind of overwhelmed with series, right, Well, there's a lot

1116
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: of theories in this because this is a huge stone.

1117
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean, don't dismiss this story like the mainstream media does, Joe.

1118
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: Don't be a mainstream disser of the troops. Come on

1119
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: the mainstream. Yeah, the mainstream. They're basically not interested in

1120
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: the true. Do not be a tuope denier. No, I'm

1121
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: not so Listen, let's here. Here's the next theory is

1122
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: that and we have a couple left, We're going all

1123
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: the way through with this. And by the way, everybody's

1124
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: looking at their phones or iPods or whatever, going, oh

1125
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: my god, there's so much episode left. We have a

1126
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: lot to go through a little bit. We have whole

1127
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, important stuff coming up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1128
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: So the next theory is that this is just an

1129
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: animal with Maine. Yeah yeah, I've heard these stories, this

1130
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: stuff on Facebook and stuff. You see it everywhere. So

1131
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: for for the last twenty plus years, animal corpses have

1132
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: been brought to officials. And I use that term loosely

1133
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: to invest in identify the whole hand air quotes. Well, yeah,

1134
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: this is yeah, that's that's the weird. The whole air quote.

1135
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: The two finger one is official. The whole hand one

1136
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: is kind of awkward, but it is that these people

1137
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: have brought these corpses forward saying this is a tubacabra

1138
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: chorpse and you should check it out. And of course

1139
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: official sources don't ever really want to do it. But

1140
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: when they are actually investigated, what appears to be the

1141
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 1: case is that they are not previously unidentified creatures, but

1142
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: instead they're the corpses of wild dogs or coyotes or

1143
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: some kind of canine. They don't have hair, usually, well

1144
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: they don't have hair because they tend to appear to

1145
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: typically be suffering from mange, have been submersion water or

1146
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: have been submerging water. Okay, yeah, so listen. If you

1147
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: don't know what manges, will give you a very very

1148
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: quick primer here. Mange is caused by a mite, specifically

1149
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: sarcoptic mange. That's the name of this particular mine. And

1150
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: what it does is it crawls under the skin and

1151
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: it like it literally burrows a tunnel in the skin,

1152
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: which is horrible to think of. Yeah, but then it

1153
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: lays eggs and that can be very painful and it

1154
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: can cause quite a lot of itching. It's not a

1155
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: good thing. And these these mites can and they do

1156
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: infect people and the what you'll hear in humans, this

1157
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: called is scabies. Now, Lucky for us humans, we've been

1158
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: dealing with this particular brand of mites for years, like centuries,

1159
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: like millennia, so on an evolutionary scale, we've figured out

1160
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: how to handle it and kind of um corralled on

1161
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: the body. Now, it's not considered desirable, it's not, but

1162
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: it is not something that is going to take you

1163
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: doubt it is. It's an inconvenient and by the way,

1164
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: it is highly contagious and it is highly uncomfortable, and

1165
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: if you think you have scabies, you should see a

1166
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: doctor because it is very easily treated in humans today.

1167
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: But the point is it will not kill us at least.

1168
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: It takes a really massive, massive, massive, massive infection to

1169
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: really take down a human. Turns out in canines, though

1170
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: that's not the case because canines have not been dealing

1171
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: with this particular might nearly as long as we have.

1172
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: So let's just you know, they get it from humans.

1173
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: So anyway, so the dog gets this and doesn't know

1174
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: what to do with it. It freaks out, The hair

1175
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: falls out, the skin gets thick and turns grayish blackish,

1176
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: and it becomes very, very itchy. And the problem with

1177
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: that is that because it becomes itchy, they scratch at it,

1178
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: they spread the infection because it's high contagious, just like

1179
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: in people. In animals or dogs, it's contagious, so spreading

1180
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: it makes it contagious. So they're spreading it around themselves.

1181
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: They're also opening themselves up to secondary infections. Basically just

1182
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: makes all their hair fall out, and it makes it

1183
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 1: worse because now they're they're getting other infections, are getting

1184
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: sicker and sicker, weaker and weaker. They look gaunter and gaunter.

1185
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: They look horrid. If you want to make yourself cry,

1186
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: look up pictures of dogs with maine, because it is

1187
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: not a nice thing. It is a sad thing to see.

1188
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: And what what happens though, is that these poor critters

1189
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: now they're weak. They you know, they can't actually hunt

1190
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: like that. Let's take a dog or kayak. They're kind

1191
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: of a semi apex predator and they hunt down rabbits

1192
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: and squirrels and whatever whatever. They chase things down, but

1193
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: they're not fast, but they're they're pretty good at what

1194
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: they do. But now they've got maine, so they, yeah,

1195
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 1: they can't do well. So they can't catch their normal praise,

1196
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: and now they become hungry and desperate. So where's the

1197
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: only food source around? Well, it's on a farm convenient store. Well, no,

1198
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: not the convenience. They don't normally shop at seven eleven

1199
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: because nobody will give him a debit card. But the

1200
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: problem is, of course, is that they don't want to

1201
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: go to a human settlement because we as humans were

1202
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: super aggressive and we will take them out, yea, And

1203
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: they know this, but suddenly they have no choice, like

1204
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: that tied up goat is the only thing they can get.

1205
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: But of course they're also easily scared away. So now

1206
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: let's say they attack the tied up goat and then

1207
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,839
Speaker 1: the guy who owns the goal comes out and yells

1208
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: and they run away. Well then he shows up and

1209
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: all he finds is his bleeding goat on the ground

1210
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: with no blood in it. He doesn't know what the

1211
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,480
Speaker 1: hell is going on. Thus he thinks a vampire attacked

1212
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: his goat. So it could be Maine because it does terrible,

1213
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: terrible things to these particular critters. Makes them look pretty ugly,

1214
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: that's for sure, although I'd like to point out too

1215
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: that it would be probably child's play. For the US

1216
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,919
Speaker 1: government to pluck the hair out of some poor animals

1217
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: from poor canine and set them loose out there, you know,

1218
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: just just to throw us all off the track of

1219
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: you know, the real chuppy. Oh are you saying they

1220
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: like give him a buzz job and then spread the

1221
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: hair everywhere and say, oh, it was something else I'm saying,

1222
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: say they they essentially like you know, shave their hair whatever,

1223
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: and then set them loose to basically with the object

1224
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: that they will attack livestock, be spotted, be reported as

1225
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: this unearthly like, awful, monstrous creature which you know, darts

1226
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: off into the darkness and uh, and that will basically

1227
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: allow people like you to spread this kind of misinformation.

1228
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I get it. I gotta yea.

1229
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't like the theory either. Okay, you know what

1230
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: the theory I really like. So based on the area.

1231
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is not in the script,

1232
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: so don't look at it because it's not gonna help

1233
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: you out. Have you ever looked at the Mexican hairless dog,

1234
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: the ones with the mohawks? Okay, a friend of mine

1235
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: has a Mexican hairless and her name is Chupy. She

1236
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: has gray, weird looking skin and a very briskly black mohawk.

1237
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: And every time I read about the chub of Cobra,

1238
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: I look at that dog and I think, well, you're

1239
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: too cute and sweet to do that. But but maybe

1240
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: if you didn't live in an apartment with kibble all

1241
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: the time, you would do it. Probably probably all three

1242
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: of us would do it too. We're desperate enough, but true. Also,

1243
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 1: I also really want to have a hairless dog, except

1244
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: my wife will not let me have a dog, a

1245
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: hairless dog in the house because if you ever petted

1246
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: a hairless animal, it's like petting your forearm, which is

1247
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: weirdly soothe, but not to anybody else. I do not

1248
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: pet my forearm. I got all kinds of weird stuff,

1249
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: but I don't pet my forearms. See, this is what

1250
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: keeps me comfortable in times of stresses. I just pet

1251
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: my forearms. Well, let's go on to our next theory here,

1252
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: which is, oh, oh, this theory. Actually, this is probably

1253
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: one of our most solid theories we have to date,

1254
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: which is the Chupa Cobra created this particular podcast and

1255
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: has for the past five years forced us each week

1256
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: to make it or pay us. You know, actually there

1257
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: is a theory out there which is not really but

1258
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, Chupy might be actually the first self promoting

1259
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: quasi mythical animal out there. He might be the you know,

1260
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: the public the obverse of Bigfoot who actually is secretive.

1261
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: It might be the Chupy just can't get noticed and

1262
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: he's trying really hard. Listen, have you seen the book

1263
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: written by the Bigfoot though write books book? I have

1264
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: not seen that one agreed book. It's really good. Yeah,

1265
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: it's really well written. Okay, there you go. There's also

1266
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: we have one other theory here, which is that all

1267
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: of these particular theories that we have read out today

1268
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: are correct. And it turns out that we were not

1269
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: in fact paid by the Chupa Cabra to foster more

1270
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: and more disinformation about the Chupa Cobra and per the

1271
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: that we all signed for the NDIA that we all

1272
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: signed because he's true, we're not even supposed to be

1273
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: saying what we're saying right now about that. Yeah, no,

1274
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: lawyer me please please Okay, any other last chupacabra theories

1275
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: that you guys want to throw it, I mean, personally

1276
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: per our n d A. I don't believe we're allowed

1277
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: to spread it. I don't think I'm gonna come down

1278
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: on the side of an alien lead behind. Yeah, I

1279
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: like the alien fluffy theory. Actually, yeah, I think so

1280
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: tragically they're they're pet round off or just creators that

1281
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: stowed away in the ship that kind of Yeah, that's

1282
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: probably what it was. Yeah, alright, boys and girls, Well,

1283
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: now that we've solved the mystery of the Chupacabra, we

1284
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: need to talk about that bit of information that we

1285
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: told you in the beginning of the episode that you

1286
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: need to listen for. Yeah, so you're still listening. I

1287
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: really hope they're listening to other oness gonna be really

1288
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: really confused later, because here's the deal, guys, the Chupacabra episode,

1289
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 1: this is our last episode. We are we're finishing the podcast.

1290
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be upset about it, but I

1291
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: want you know the reason why, and I want to

1292
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: be honest with it, is that I personally I'm moving

1293
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: out of the country. I'm moving to Southeast Asia, and

1294
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: with the time zone differences and the unpredictability of internet connections,

1295
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: there's just there's just no real way for us to

1296
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: continue to make the podcast. And when I talked to

1297
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 1: Joe and Devon about this one, when I knew and

1298
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna move, we figured it out and we said, listen,

1299
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: the one thing we want to do is we want

1300
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: to make sure we get to that five year mark.

1301
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: We've were so close. Let's hit that anniversary. And that's

1302
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: why we we've gone to this episode that we did.

1303
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: By the way, people have asked us in personal interactions, well,

1304
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: what would be your final episode? Well we always said, well,

1305
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: it would have to be the chup of Cabra. So

1306
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: thus why Choopy got to be the crowning final episode.

1307
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: So there's some things that I would like to share,

1308
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: some heartfelt things I'd like to express to all of

1309
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: you who have supported us through the years. I want

1310
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: to say thank you, And to all of you who

1311
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: have wind and complained about the slightest perceived offenses, I

1312
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 1: want to tell you to piss off. But seriously, honestly, uh,

1313
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: it's been a blast getting to to bring the show

1314
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: to everyone for all the years, and I loved getting

1315
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: to interact with everyone. I mean, there's been so many

1316
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: of you, and and the Internet is a dark and

1317
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: scary place and you guys made it such a good

1318
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: place to be and it was it was such a

1319
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: positive thing that I really really appreciate that. I don't

1320
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: know how better to express it than to say that.

1321
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: But but don't worry. Just so you know, this is

1322
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: not the final episode of Thinking Sideways. We're gonna be

1323
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: releasing some more content. We forgot, content that was never

1324
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: actually released into the regular feed, and we're gonna be

1325
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,560
Speaker 1: releasing that over the course of the next five or

1326
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: six episodes or so five or six weeks. So keep

1327
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: an eye out on that. And when it comes time

1328
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: for any of us to start a new venture or

1329
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: anything like that, we're gonna let you know. Our social

1330
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: media is still going to be out there. Personally myself,

1331
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be taking time while I'm abroad to work

1332
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: to focus on my photography. If you want to follow

1333
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: any of that, you are more than welcome to do so.

1334
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram and on two Twitter. On Instagram, i

1335
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: am how Steve sees the world. On Twitter, i am

1336
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: how Steve sees Those are the two places that you'll

1337
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: see me. And we'll put this on the website so

1338
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: that you can track all of that. But thank you

1339
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: very much. I really really don't know how better to

1340
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: say it, but it has been phenomenal. Yeah, I mean, I, um,

1341
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: some of you already follow me on my personal personal

1342
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 1: social media's um pretty much miss d K power everywhere.

1343
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: And again we'll you know, push this out on social

1344
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: media in case you want to connect with us. And

1345
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: like Steve said, we're going to keep our thinking sideways

1346
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: social media alive for as long as we can bear

1347
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: to do it, which maybe another five years for all

1348
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: we know. UM, And I just wanted to say what

1349
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: an absolute joy it's been to see this community become

1350
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: what it has, you know, you those of us that

1351
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: have been here since the beginning. You know, we started

1352
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: this five years ago and when we were first starting out,

1353
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: it was just you know us and and pretty much

1354
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: just us in Justin and Aaron from Generation Why doing

1355
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: true crime and unsolved mysteries. And since then the community

1356
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: has grown into something insane, which is for better for worse.

1357
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't want to call out our

1358
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 1: friend podcasts for fear of leaving some some of them out,

1359
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: but you guys know who you are, and we just

1360
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: love you and have loved getting to know you and

1361
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: want to send a huge and special shout out to

1362
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: our Facebook mods who are Christina, Alexa, Kyle, Draco, Jamie

1363
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: and Leslie. Without them, the Facebook group would have been

1364
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: shut down four years ago easily. Most of all, I

1365
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: just want to thank all of you for listening, everyone

1366
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: who we met at meetups and and crime con everyone

1367
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: who listened and emailed and helped make this really fun. Yeah,

1368
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: thank you everyone for making this what it was for

1369
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: the last five years, and for me for my part.

1370
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: Sorry about the short notice on this. It's a little

1371
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: bit of a real surprise for some of you, I'm sure,

1372
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: and we're a little sad about this, but try to

1373
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: remember it's not necessarily goodbye forever. We'll still be a round,

1374
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: like I said on social media. And uh, you know,

1375
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: I've been pondering the possibility of maybe a new podcast

1376
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know what, so you haven't heard

1377
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: the last of us. Necessarily now, don't delete our podcast

1378
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: from your feed, because if any of us starts a

1379
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: new podcast, well at the first episode or so much

1380
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: show up in our feet someday. And also, I have

1381
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: restarted my Twitter account, which I've had since ten and

1382
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,839
Speaker 1: never use. I'm not going to give you my handle

1383
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: because I wanted a new, spiffier handle that more fits,

1384
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing that we're doing these days.

1385
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: And when I went out and I had several good ideas,

1386
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: every damn one was taken. And I'm really really and

1387
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Davin had a wonderful suggestion was

1388
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: was Skytrain, and some jerk has taken it, and I'm

1389
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: really kind of angry about that. But anyway, so we

1390
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: will figure out a handle for you, and we'll put

1391
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: it on social media. We will, yeah, so that we'll

1392
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: get that straight. Now, I'll get a handle out to

1393
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: you guys so you can follow me on Twitter, which

1394
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: I know you're dying to do. Then I I wanted

1395
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: to echo what Devon said about our Facebook mods, who

1396
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: are awesome, and I hope, by the way, I'm gonna

1397
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: stick around for a little while because our our Facebook

1398
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: and all their social and all our social media is

1399
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: not going to just go away. Um. And also, of

1400
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: course our fellow podcasters, again echoing Devon, they're awesome that

1401
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like there are extended family, kind

1402
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: of without the weirdness, but we all get along great.

1403
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: There's no backbiting, no ugly competition. Everybody's just awesome and

1404
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: I love you guys, all of you. And then you've

1405
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: all you've all been totally helpful over the years and

1406
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Uh. And lastly, of course, our

1407
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: listeners and uh, I never thought that when we started

1408
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: doing this that that many people would really want to

1409
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: listen to us, and uh and of course not nearly

1410
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: enough did, but still quite a few did, so that

1411
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: was cool. Uh. We got a ton of messages from

1412
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: people saying stuff like how much said they love these

1413
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: weird little stories they've never heard before, or just you know,

1414
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: you make my commute to work bearable, or you just

1415
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: give me all these hours of on and enjoyment and

1416
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that, you know what I'm talking about. And uh,

1417
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: these messages have really meant a lot to me because

1418
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: they made me realize that our podcast, which we kind

1419
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: of started as a lark, it really our podcast it

1420
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: does make a lot of people's lives just a little

1421
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: bit better. I'm not saying we're changing the world in

1422
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: a huge way, but in a tiny way. We kind

1423
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: of we kind of do make it a better place

1424
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: I think anyway, And for me, that that has made

1425
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: all the time we spent doing this really worthwhile. And

1426
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 1: I hope everybody else feels the same about all the

1427
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: time you've spent listening to us too. It's been great.

1428
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: We love you guys, and again, well we will we

1429
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: will see you again. Uh. And as as a final note, uh,

1430
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: not so much to the listeners, but to you both.

1431
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's it's been amazing to work

1432
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 1: with you, and I couldn't imagine doing this with anybody

1433
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: other than you two jokers. It's it's been a weird one, right,

1434
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: and at times it's been great and at times it's

1435
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: been what is going on? It's a bit like being

1436
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: on mushrooms, but it was a lot of fun. So yeah,

1437
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't imagine you too. I don't care

1438
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: about you guys at all, so I don't care. Yeah,

1439
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: that's kind of been apparent to me for a while now. Actually,

1440
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: Devin started out with this is a just a young

1441
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: woman in her mid twenties, um, and just watching her

1442
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: grow into a young woman in late twenties has been

1443
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we got a Harry and the Hendricks. Alright,

1444
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: Well to YouTube. Thank you to everybody, out there. Thank

1445
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 1: you so much. Yeah, and by the way, just so

1446
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: special thanks to Steve. Also because Steve was a guy

1447
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: who really wanted to do something on the internet really bad,

1448
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: and so it was actually kind of his idea to

1449
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: do a podcast. So we're gonna get a little extra

1450
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 1: credit for that. And also people don't know that Steve's

1451
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: our editor. He's actually been editing the sound all these

1452
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: years too. Yeah, so thank you for that. Thank you. Alright, guys,

1453
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:06,520
Speaker 1: shall we shall we roll this up? All right, everybody,

1454
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: it's been good. A couple more episodes coming your way

1455
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: in the feed. I believe there's gonna be five more

1456
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: bits of unreleased audio that you haven't heard yet before

1457
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: the whole thing closes up, shops, So thank you much.

1458
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 1: We really really appreciate it, and in some form we'll

1459
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: talk to you again. You'll be hearing from us sooner

1460
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: or later, I think. Yeah, bye, guys, Bye bye. I

1461
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: love you.