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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A bombshell in the Brian Coburger defense. Did Brian Coburger

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Speaker 2: actually buy a Dix Sporting Good black balaklava?

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Speaker 1: Why do I care?

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Speaker 2: Because it's the exact same mask drawn by the survivor

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Speaker 2: witness who lived through the murders that night. This as

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Speaker 2: Coburger fights tooth and nail to suppress a twelve page paper.

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Speaker 1: Why he wrote the paper in school?

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Speaker 2: And it describes multiple murders, including the murder of a

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Speaker 2: white female with what else a knife, even including details

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Speaker 2: that she, the white female victim, would dig her fingernails

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Speaker 2: into her killer's skin and likely reveal DNA too close

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Speaker 2: for comfort. Coburger, I, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Location of emergency, of the emergency.

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Speaker 2: One that nine to one one call brings us all

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Speaker 2: back to the reality of what happened to four beautiful

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Speaker 2: University Idaho students slaughtered, as some say, butchered in their

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Speaker 2: own beds. And now the man charged with all four

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Speaker 2: murders is fighting tooth and claw to keep one tiny

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Speaker 2: Dick's Sporting Good purchase away from a jury. Why I

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Speaker 2: think I know why listen.

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Speaker 4: No one is answering. I'm really confused right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what the Xanna was wearing all black? I'm

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Speaker 1: freaking out right now.

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Speaker 4: No, it's like a ski mask.

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Speaker 1: Almost shut the up. Actually, like he had.

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Speaker 4: Something over his forehead and mouth. Bethany, I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 4: I'm so freaked out, So Amne. My phone is going

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Speaker 4: to die.

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Speaker 1: Come to my room. Run down here.

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Speaker 4: I'm screwed though, Yeah, I know, but it's better than

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Speaker 4: being alone.

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Speaker 2: What you just heard is the contents of text messages

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Speaker 2: that were exchanged between the two survivors that were in

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Speaker 2: the scene of the murder, that were there that night

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Speaker 2: their four roommates were murdered. That's between Dylan Mortenson and

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Speaker 2: Bethany Funk. Now, Dylan Mortenson is describing he had something

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Speaker 2: over his forehead and mouth. I'm not kidding. I'm so

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Speaker 2: freaked out, She goes on.

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Speaker 1: Later, how can I say this?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you've seen on TV or crime shows, a movie

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Speaker 2: maybe where the witnesses is drawing, helped to draw a composite,

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Speaker 2: and they go, oh, no, the nose is too long,

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Speaker 2: the ears are too big, the eyebrowser this, the mouth

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Speaker 2: is different. She draws with her own hands the balaklava

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Speaker 2: that the intruder was wearing that night. I guess they

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Speaker 2: are fighting to keep that sketch and that purchase out.

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Speaker 2: Joining me in all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now, Coberger trying to suppress a

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Speaker 2: slew of evidentiary items.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 5: A recent CORD filing shows that defense attorneys want Venmo,

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Speaker 5: PayPal and bank records for the accused quadruple killer blocked

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Speaker 5: from CORD. While the exact content of these records are

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Speaker 5: not discussed, the filing mentions a purchase from under Armour

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Speaker 5: on June twenty four to twenty twenty two, five months

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Speaker 5: before the murders, and a purchase from Dick's Sporting Goods

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Speaker 5: in the same month. The records likely also show Coburger's

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Speaker 5: purchase of the Kbar knife suspected to be the weapon

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Speaker 5: used in the murders.

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Speaker 2: We were trying to determine what is it about these

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Speaker 2: purchases that they want so desperately to suppress.

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Speaker 1: Oh, did I mention a replacement knife?

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Speaker 6: While a court filing last week confirmed that Coburger purchased

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Speaker 6: a k Bar knife and sharpener eight months prior to

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Speaker 6: the murders. A new filing alleges that Colberger's Amazon click

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Speaker 6: history also proves he was searching for a replacement in

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Speaker 6: the weeks after the murders. Defense attorneys may be planning

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Speaker 6: to counter the evidence with arguments that Amazon's algorithm simply

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Speaker 6: suggested an item based on his previous purchase history.

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Speaker 2: Times you just have so much evidence you don't know

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Speaker 2: which way to go. Straight out to Chris McDonough joining me.

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Speaker 2: You know him well, I found him on the interview Room.

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Speaker 2: He's the star of that on YouTube. But more important,

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Speaker 2: he's the director of the Cold Case Foundation and he

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Speaker 2: has worked over three hundred homicides. You first wave the

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Speaker 2: red flag about Amazon purchases. I guess you've heard about

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Speaker 2: the balaklava. I'm going to circle back to that. But

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Speaker 2: you went through an intense discussion and analysis of purchases

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Speaker 2: on Amazon, and now we know why Chris McDonough the

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Speaker 2: replacement knife. That's why they wanted that suppressed so desperately.

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Speaker 2: He leaves a crime scene. According to police, he's driving

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Speaker 2: that long, circuitous route that you and I have both

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Speaker 1: I nearly ran off the road three times.

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Speaker 2: Then he goes, well, well what what where is the

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Speaker 1: So what does he do? It's the clicks.

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Speaker 2: You said it first, Chris mcdona. He doesn't want the

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Speaker 2: jury to know he was looking for a replacement knife.

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Speaker 2: He had already bought a knife a sheet and now

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Speaker 2: we know a knife sharpener.

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Speaker 1: That's why they don't want us to know about the clicks.

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Speaker 7: Chris, absolutely, Nancy. And what's interesting about this is for

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Speaker 7: some reason, they were on top of that almost within

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Speaker 7: two weeks after the homicides, and they you know, they

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Speaker 7: served a search warrant in November twenty in November twenty sixth,

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Speaker 7: And so the defense here is been working full time,

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Speaker 7: you know, to try to suppress those clicks, because that

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Speaker 7: is just damning evidence. And you're right, he then went

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Speaker 7: back to try to order a second looks like, you know,

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Speaker 7: knife and or sheath as kind of the old bait

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Speaker 7: and switch. If the authorities were onto it once he

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Speaker 7: discovered he actually lost if he's the guy, of course,

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Speaker 7: if he lost that you know sheath at the crime scene.

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Speaker 1: Right hey, you know, Chris, McDonald.

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Speaker 2: When I was watching you on your show the interview Room,

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Speaker 2: you and your guests were going on and on about

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Speaker 2: the analytical data of Amazon. I'm like, where is this going?

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Speaker 2: I forced myself to listen to it. Of course I

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Speaker 2: was interested in it because I love any type of evidence.

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Speaker 2: If I don't even understand it at the moment, I

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Speaker 2: sense that it's important. And I could tell by what

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Speaker 2: you were saying those cliques that data was going to

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Speaker 2: be very important because it didn't necessarily result in a purchase.

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Speaker 2: But he's looking to re place the sheath that he

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Speaker 2: left behind. Okay, hold on. Joe Scott Morgan's joining me,

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Speaker 2: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 2: Feet on Amazon, star of Bodybags with Joe Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 2: But for my purposes, he's a death investigator that has

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Speaker 2: investigated over one thousand death scenes. Joe Scott, you have

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Speaker 2: been taking a very close look at that Kbart knife,

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Speaker 2: and I'm wondering in your analysis, could you buy the

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Speaker 2: sheath separately or does it come with the knife?

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Speaker 8: It comes with the knife. Actually, my beautiful bride, God

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Speaker 8: bless her, actually bought this knife for me and surprised

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Speaker 8: me with it, and it's not normally the type of

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Speaker 8: gifts that you get from someone who cares about you.

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Speaker 8: But she knew that we had been covering this case

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Speaker 8: and she wanted me to have this just so that

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Speaker 8: This sort of thing, and it comes with the sheath nancy,

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Speaker 8: So if you were to purchase a sheath separate, it

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Speaker 8: would have to come from the manufacturer. You would have

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Speaker 8: to order it specifically, or go out to some vendor

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Speaker 8: out there somewhere that could probably furnish you with maybe

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Speaker 8: a knockoff. But it's certainly not the original kbar knife.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I asked my husband for a flamethrower for Christmas and

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Speaker 2: he didn't give me one. I'm going to use this

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Speaker 2: as an example of the perfect gift.

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Speaker 1: Let me think this through. Let me think this through.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum is joining me, a Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, founder,

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Speaker 2: forensic expert and star of Zone seven podcast.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what those cliques are. I

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Speaker 2: haven't even gotten to the balaclava yet. Okay, I'm getting there,

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Speaker 2: but the clicks, the clicks, I'm like it's a Rubric's cuban.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Ruber's cuban. I'm trying to make it fit

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Speaker 2: right now. Do you think, Cheryl, that he was clicking

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Speaker 2: through trying to find a replacement sheath or was he

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Speaker 2: trying to find out if he could buy it separately

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Speaker 2: from the knife. Was he going to buy a whole

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Speaker 2: new knife and a sheaf to go?

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Speaker 1: Look here it is, there's not any blood on it.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Cheryl.

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Speaker 9: That's exactly what he was attempting to do. In my opinion,

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Speaker 9: he needed a replacement because the murder weapon. He had

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Speaker 9: to get rid of it because it was saturated with blood.

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Speaker 9: He knew he had lost or left the sheep behind.

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Speaker 9: He had to have a replacement, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours, A.

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Speaker 2: Brian coburger purchased at Dick's Sporting Goods is offering bombshell

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Speaker 2: evidence in this case.

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Speaker 1: You know Greg Morris joining me.

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Speaker 2: He is a high profile lawyer that's tried more cases,

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Speaker 2: probably than he can count. Greg Morris partner at Being Morse,

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Speaker 2: author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg, I know how

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Speaker 2: you and your friends in the defense bar.

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Speaker 1: Love to discredit an eyewitness.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's so commonly done it's laid out in

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Speaker 2: black and white in the criminal Code as if it's law.

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Speaker 2: The ways to attack an eyewitness? Or do you wear glasses?

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Speaker 2: Were you wearing them that night? How far away were

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Speaker 2: Were you inebriated? Were you on prescription drugs or anything else?

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Speaker 2: It's like one, two, three, four it it's by rote.

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Speaker 1: But what about this? What about this?

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Speaker 2: With no urging, no urging, no tutorial. You have the survivor.

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Speaker 2: It's Dylan Mortenson and she's texting that not eight that night,

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Speaker 1: Just seen the intruder.

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Speaker 2: She cracks her door and looks out and she sees him,

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Speaker 2: and I guess she shut it and moved back. She

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Speaker 2: is the witness that describes the intruder dressed in dark clothing,

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Speaker 2: tall white male with bushy eyebrows that night. She says, basically,

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Speaker 2: at the time of the murders, he had something over

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Speaker 2: his forehead and mouth I'm not kidding, I'm so freaked out.

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Speaker 2: Then she draws, let's take a look at her drawing.

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Speaker 2: I sent you a picture of it, Greg because I

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Speaker 2: knew it would send chills down your spine. She draws

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Speaker 2: a bottle clava and guests, who buys a botta clava?

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Speaker 2: Do you have a bottle clava?

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Speaker 10: Do you?

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I don't, do you. I have three

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Speaker 1: of them, don't you? So I have three of them?

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Speaker 11: Yes, very common thing to buy, especially in Idaho for

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Speaker 11: the winter where the there is cold.

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Speaker 1: The way to.

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Speaker 11: Attack this is the commonality of it. I saw the

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Speaker 11: drawing she made, the person made. It's a common thing.

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Speaker 10: It's nothing unique about it.

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Speaker 11: And the way to challenge this, to try to keep

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Speaker 11: it out, which is very difficult, is that you're going

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Speaker 11: to show this is a common purchase by people. There's

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Speaker 11: no linking it to the case. There's no linking this

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Speaker 11: specific one coburger bought to this case. So it's a

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Speaker 11: generic mask that probably hundreds of thousands of people have

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Speaker 11: purchased from Dix over the years, maybe millions. So that's

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Speaker 11: how you challenge it. Very common. I've dealt with this

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Speaker 11: with guns. When a thirty eight is used to kill

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Speaker 11: someone and there's no ballistics, and they find a thirty

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Speaker 11: eight at the suspect house, you challenge it on its

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Speaker 11: commonality that it's prejudicial to introduce it and link it

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Speaker 2: And and you mad more, well done, very well done.

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Speaker 1: Let me throw this at you.

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Speaker 2: What about the purchase of a k bar knife and

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Speaker 2: a shape and a ball of clava?

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Speaker 1: Hit me?

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Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, I've been doing this for twenty five years

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Speaker 2: Wait what rewind rewind sadly, I'm going to hold you

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Speaker 2: to the facts. Sidney Summer joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Sydney.

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Speaker 2: He's half right and half wrong. He's right about a

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Speaker 2: balla clava. Let's just say, in Idaho, maybe many people

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Speaker 2: have them to ski. But then let's throw in the

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Speaker 2: clicking for a replacement knife and sheath.

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Speaker 1: But he said that was after the murders.

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Speaker 2: But isn't it true, Sidney Summer, that Coburger purchased a

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Speaker 2: k bar knife exactly like the one that was used

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Speaker 2: in the murders based on the sheath that was left.

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Speaker 1: Behind far prior to the murders.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I recall he bought the knife and the

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Speaker 2: sheath back in March of twenty twenty two, I mean

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Speaker 2: eight months before the murders.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, that's quite a long time to have that

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Speaker 10: knife in your possession before doing this, and the balaklava

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Speaker 10: was purchased even further back.

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Speaker 1: The timing, Sydney.

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Speaker 2: The timing is so important because, based on my research,

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Speaker 2: he made the Dick's purchase of the Balla clava eleven

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Speaker 2: months before, on jan ten, twenty two. He makes the

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Speaker 2: We also have, I don't know if it's going to

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Speaker 2: those dicky outfits which there you go, which you could

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Speaker 1: Just zip down and get out of it and then

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Speaker 2: Then we've got the clicking and attempt to purchase of

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Speaker 2: a replacement knife in sheath after the murders. Okay, do

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Speaker 2: I have those dates correct? Because Morse is right you

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Speaker 2: can fight back on the Bolla clava, Yeah, I get it,

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Speaker 2: But can you fight back on the Bolla clava that

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Speaker 2: the witness describes identical to that purchase, the knife, the sheath,

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Speaker 2: the Dickey's uniform, They replacement knife, the replacement sheath.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's adding up Sydney.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Nancy. It's very overwhelming, and the defense is fighting

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Speaker 10: tooth and nail to keep all of this out. Their

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Speaker 10: latest arguments. Just last night got the Amazon account is

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Speaker 10: shared by Coberger's family members.

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Speaker 3: Tell me exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 6: One of the roommates's pass off and she's strong class.

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Speaker 1: Oh and they tell some men in their house.

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Speaker 10: Ok.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you see the video of two of the

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Speaker 2: murdered in their own beds. For some reason, Brian Coburger's

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Speaker 2: defense team is trying to suppress this and a lot

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Speaker 2: of other video which we're going to get to.

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Speaker 1: I believe much.

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Speaker 2: Of that video is going to show his vehicle en

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Speaker 2: route to the murder scene. But can I just comment

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Speaker 2: for our guests, shopping lists are murder. That's the general

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Speaker 2: consensus when it comes to Brian Coberger. We've been talking

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Speaker 2: about the Amazon clicks. We've been talking about the exporting good.

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Speaker 1: It goes on and on.

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Speaker 2: But when you don't know a horse, look at his

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Speaker 2: track record. I believe we're going to find many other

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Speaker 2: items in Coburgers records he's trying to suppress.

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Speaker 1: Isn't this right?

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Speaker 2: Sydney summer, PayPal purchases, Venmo purchases, Amazon purchases and searches

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Speaker 2: and much more. There's going to be more that we

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Speaker 2: find that is damning in Brian Coberger's shopping list.

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Speaker 10: I think that's absolutely true, Nancy. They still have not

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Speaker 10: unsealed any information, any reasoning as to why all of

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Speaker 10: Coburger's financial records are relevant to the case and what

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Speaker 10: evidence they will produce. The defense has made a small

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Speaker 10: comment that it's supposed to show his spending habits, but

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Speaker 10: other than that, we don't know why all of these

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Speaker 10: bank records have been pulled.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you we're going to find cleaning supplies. Joining me,

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert and founder of the Cold Case

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Speaker 2: Research Institute. I'm sure you recall our investigation into Brian

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Speaker 2: Walsh after the murder and I believe dismemberment of his

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Speaker 1: Listen to what he.

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Speaker 2: Bought at Low's eryl five five gallon buckets, a handsaw,

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Speaker 2: forty eight cherry cloth towels, a full iti wreck, full

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Speaker 2: two hundred disposable rags, trash bags, Murphy oil soap.

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Speaker 1: Then he goes to another store. Yeah, let's sprinkle it around.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there he is looking at that. That was the

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Speaker 2: purchase at Low's. And there he is at CBS. He

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Speaker 2: buys thirteen different types of hydrogen peroxide. Then he goes

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Speaker 1: He goes to home.

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Speaker 2: Goods, three area rugs and scented candles. I believe one

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Speaker 2: of his searches was how long till the body starts

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Speaker 1: At home depot? Just to round it out, three.

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Speaker 2: Five gallon bucket kits with leak proof lids, a hatchet,

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Speaker 2: Tyrek suit. Wow, talk about some clean up, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 2: That was Brian walshon I'm very curious why with all

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Speaker 2: of his analysis, you know, there's just nothing like the

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Speaker 2: real thing, right, Cheryl, You can study about it all

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Speaker 2: the way through your PhD, but when it comes right

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Speaker 9: Always, and Nancy, this is going to go straight into

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Speaker 9: the prosecution's timeline. You know, you may look at Israel

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Speaker 9: Key's list and think, oh, this guy's going camping, till

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Speaker 9: you know how to read it. When you look at

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Speaker 9: the purchases and these searches, those are really going to

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Speaker 9: and the mask. It's not just you know, something briskian.

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Speaker 9: And when you're looking at Coburger specifically and the eye

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Speaker 9: overall shopping list is a roadmap to his plotting and

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Speaker 2: You know, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, I believe that there

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Speaker 2: insanity defense. They can't help, but very compulsively, some would

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Speaker 2: say anal compulsively make plans. I'm sure you recall it's

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Speaker 2: in your jurisdiction. That's why I save this for you.

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Speaker 2: Robert Blake, who absolutely orchestrated the murder of his wife,

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Speaker 2: Bonnie Lee Bakley. Listen to his shopping list. Now, I

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Speaker 2: got this from the prosecutor's complaint against him. He had

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Speaker 2: his hitch person called Well purchase a grizzly shopping list.

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Speaker 2: It included two shovels, a small sledge, a crowbar, a

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Speaker 2: and lie and he wrote it down in a list. Bethany,

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Speaker 2: I wonder you've no coburger had to make a list.

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Speaker 2: Warning he's innocent until proving guilty. But can they not

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Speaker 12: Nancy, you talked about the meticulous planning, and as I've

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Speaker 12: said so many times before on your show, sociopaths, and

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Speaker 12: they use cruelty to get sexual excitement.

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Speaker 1: Nancy, listen that Robert Blake.

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Speaker 12: It would have been so much cheaper just to get

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Speaker 12: He wanted her off this earth. He didn't want her

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Speaker 12: who I believe actually this was very thrilling for him.

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Speaker 12: So I think what we're going to find on his

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Speaker 12: going to be very interested in what motivates him sexually,

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Speaker 2: We also know about Natalie Keepers and David Eisenhower plotting

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Speaker 2: So you know, Sidney Sumner, the shopping list is damning.

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Speaker 1: Coburn.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, there's just no way around this, Nancy. It's information

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Speaker 1: How do you explain that.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I was talking about this with my fiance

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Speaker 10: You want to keep the rest of your face as

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Speaker 10: But I asked him, would you ever wear this in public?

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Speaker 2: In addition to damning shopping lists indicated by clicks on Amazon,

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Speaker 2: Dick Sporting good.

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Speaker 1: At under Armour.

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Speaker 2: We don't know why the Defense wants to suppress purchases

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Speaker 2: to that, the defense is fighting tooth and claw to

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty and more listen.

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Speaker 6: In arguments against its inclusion, the defense reveals that prosecutors

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Speaker 6: and syllabi from his time as a master's student, and

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Speaker 6: his thesis, Colberger worked with professors to develop a survey

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Speaker 2: It's not just the creepy survey he sent out to

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Speaker 1: Very very detailed questioning.

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Speaker 2: But now a twelve page assignment paper has emerged and

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Speaker 2: the defense is fighting to keep it suppressed away from

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Speaker 1: What is it as.

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Speaker 10: So this comes as a filing from the state rebutting

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Speaker 10: It's so much information. What are you trying to.

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Speaker 2: Do with this?

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Speaker 10: It has to be kept out because I can't figure

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Speaker 10: we plan to use in court and filed this twelve

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Speaker 10: page assignment from Coburger that he completed as a master's

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Speaker 10: student at the Sales University. In this assignment, it's unclear

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Speaker 10: exactly what the instructions are if this was a scenario

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Speaker 10: that the professor came up with. But Coburger's job was

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Speaker 10: to go through every single step to secure and process

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Speaker 10: that crime scene for evidence. So it's a list and

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Speaker 10: list and lists of bullet points of what needs to

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Speaker 10: be done in what order, what tools you need, what

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Speaker 10: to look for. So it's very detailed, and it's coincidentally

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Speaker 10: a stabbing.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutors want to use a school paper that allegedly details

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Speaker 2: a crime SAYN, very similar to the crime SAYN in

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Speaker 2: the Idaho Sligh. Now listen to this, Cheryl McCollum. He

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Speaker 2: states in the paper as if he were processing the scene,

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Speaker 2: I should make sure to swab under her, the white

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Speaker 2: female murder victim, her fingernails to see if DNA of

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Speaker 2: the offender is there. She likely dug into his skin,

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Speaker 2: he wrote, in excruciating details. He describes how first responders

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Speaker 2: should handle the crime scene, using as an example, what

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Speaker 2: else a deceased white female murder weapon a knife?

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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 9: This is absolutely going to be something that the prosecution

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Speaker 9: is going to highlight because it shows he had knowledge,

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Speaker 9: He had knowledgeab where DNA could be found and located

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Speaker 9: on a murder victim. And then they're going to show

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Speaker 9: the purchase of the clothing and the mask and gloves

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Speaker 9: and other items to prevent that very thing from happening.

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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Speaker 2: Straight back to you, Greg Morse, how do you defeat

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Speaker 2: bringing this in? Its basically a blueprint of the murders?

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Speaker 11: So this is a common issue today.

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Speaker 1: It deals with rap lyrics.

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Speaker 11: The most recent case is Alana's Vus, where rap lyrics

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Speaker 11: are allowed to come in and I think the paper

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Speaker 11: the defense has a really hard time. Their main argument

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Speaker 11: would be that there's no crime that occurred when the

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Speaker 11: paper was written, that it was after the crime so

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Speaker 11: in the rap lyric cases, the lyrics talk about a

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Speaker 11: crime that already occurred and specifically, and that's how the

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Speaker 11: prosecutors are getting this in. So I would defend this

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Speaker 11: on it's irrelevant. It happened before the crime, years before.

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Speaker 11: It was for a class that he was author, you know,

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Speaker 11: asked to write this paper. It doesn't provide any direct

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Speaker 11: evidence to the crimes, but it's a very hard it's

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Speaker 11: going to be very hard for the defense to challenge relevance.

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Speaker 1: Relevance.

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Speaker 2: He describes a white female victim at a murder scene

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Speaker 2: digging her nails into her killer, and that an EMT

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Speaker 2: or a scene processor like Cheryl McCollum should get fingernail

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Speaker 2: clippings from the victim for potential DNA.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's relevant. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Brian Coberger's defense team has revealed a major curveball for

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Speaker 3: his upcoming trial. A newly unsealed court filing discloses that

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Speaker 3: investigators found three unknown profiles from DNA underneath victim Medicine

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Speaker 3: Mogen's fingernails. Clippings from Mogan's left hand unearthed the samples,

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Speaker 3: but testing has not determined who they belonged to. Comparisons

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Speaker 3: of the profiles to Coburger's DNA were inconclusive. The accused

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Speaker 3: quadruple killer has not been confirmed or excluded as a source.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 13: The defense also wants almost all video evidence tossed, claiming

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Speaker 13: there's no way they can review it in time for trial.

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Speaker 13: At the crux of their argument is possibly a key

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Speaker 13: piece of evidence, footage from a nearby apartment complex on

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Speaker 13: Linda Lane just after four am November thirteen, twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 13: The footage shows a white sedan outside eleven twenty two

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Speaker 13: King Road. However, in its raw form, that footage alone

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Speaker 13: is twelve hours long, and defense attorneys say it will

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Speaker 13: be impossible for them to pinpoint the relevant clips.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's total bs.

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Speaker 2: In many cases, especially when you have something like a wiretap.

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Speaker 1: Or a stakeout, that video or audio can go on

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Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours.

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Speaker 2: That's why you're getting paid to listen to it and

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Speaker 2: figure out what, if anything, is relevant. Hello, Ann Taylor,

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Speaker 2: that's your job. Quit whining. But let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: video itself, specifically video from a nearby apartment at Linda Lane.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Chris mcdunna joining me, veteran homicide investigator,

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Speaker 2: star of the Interview Room on YouTube. Chris, you and

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Speaker 2: I have trumped through that neighborhood now, I don't even

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Speaker 2: know how many hours, and I noticed I didn't understand

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Speaker 2: the relevance of it, how close all of the buildings

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Speaker 2: are to each other. As I stood in front of

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Speaker 2: the King Road crime scene, I can look across and

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Speaker 2: tell you the type of dishwashing liquid sitting in the

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Speaker 2: kitchen window of the apartment across the street. It was

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Speaker 2: the green Paul Paul Mallin by the way, and I.

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Speaker 1: Could see it.

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Speaker 2: So I guarantee you this video from Linda Lane and

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Speaker 2: apartment nearby, it's got to be something damning. Hey, let's

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Speaker 2: see those steal shots from the video that we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Could you describe this area, Chris mcdonna absolutely.

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Speaker 7: Nancyen and you have stood there and it is a

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Speaker 7: lot closer than what it appears from like a Google

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Speaker 7: map or something like that. That area is you know,

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Speaker 7: it's off housing campus or excuse me, it's off campus

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Speaker 7: housing for students. It's surrounded by a couple of apartments.

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Speaker 2: Look at your monitor. We're showing it right now and

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Speaker 2: this is from the Veritas Quita's YouTube channel. Check it out.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you this is going to be blown up

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Speaker 2: like nobody's business so the jury can see.

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Speaker 1: This is one of a mini okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Dear, okay.

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Speaker 7: So if you're driving straight up past eleven twenty two,

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Speaker 7: you get to this apartment complex at the end of

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Speaker 7: like a mini cul de sac, and then that's where

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Speaker 7: this car is turning, and if you can complete that

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Speaker 7: turn all the way around, it will take you behind

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Speaker 7: the residents at eleven twenty two where you could actually park.

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Speaker 7: And I think in this particular shot here he's actually

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Speaker 7: so only to the end. It appears the car is

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Speaker 7: backing up and then coming straight back down and parking

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Speaker 7: in front of eleven twenty two. So you can get

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Speaker 7: to the residence either way. If you want to peek

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Speaker 7: on the residence, you can park behind it. If you

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Speaker 7: want to surveil the residence, you can also park in

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Speaker 7: front of it.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, You and I investigated the glam yoga teacher

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: Her SUV was caught going around and around and around.

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Speaker 2: The scene of the crime just after the murder victim

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Speaker 2: had walked in same thing. Here's Cheryl McCollum reportedly and

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Speaker 2: again Coburger. He is innocent right now in the eyes

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Speaker 2: of Lady Justice, and he remains innocent until he has

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Speaker 2: proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of

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Speaker 2: law by a jury of his peers.

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Speaker 1: That said, we're not in a court of.

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Speaker 2: Law, so let's talk about it. The video apparently catches

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Speaker 2: him circling round and round and round, much like Caitlin

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Speaker 2: Armstrong did. Mm hmm. And it's not just this one video.

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Speaker 1: There's more.

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Speaker 2: By the way, This is from very Tasks YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Cheryl.

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Speaker 9: The video is paramount. It not only shows time of

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Speaker 9: day and location. It shows how he slows down. It

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Speaker 9: shows how the car does the kay turn. They're going

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Speaker 9: to cross shake that again, Nancy with cell phone things.

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Speaker 9: They're going to cross check it again with the traffic ticket.

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Speaker 9: And I want to come back to that traffic ticket,

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Speaker 9: the one that he got in August, where it's midnight,

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Speaker 9: he's just a minute or so away from the murder house,

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Speaker 9: and he's getting the ticket for not having his seatbelt on.

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Speaker 9: My theory is because he's getting in and out of

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Speaker 9: his car stalking these young people. All of this, the video,

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Speaker 9: the cell phones, the traffic tickets, goes to the plotting

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Speaker 9: and the planning and the stalking that he did prior

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Speaker 9: to these murder It's not uncommon, said Bundy Richard.

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Speaker 2: Marriage, speaking of forensics, professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University.

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Speaker 2: I'm want to jump off with Cheryl McCollum was just saying,

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Speaker 2: it's not just this video he wants suppressed. Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: a whole series of videos. And I'm telling you what

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Speaker 2: I think they're doing. And you and I discussed this

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Speaker 2: with Cheryl a while back, and I think you were

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Speaker 2: in on it too, Chris McDonough. I think they're pulling

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Speaker 2: a Photus Dulos. Remember Dulo's who murdered his.

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Speaker 1: Wife as the mother of five of his children, Jennifer Dulo's.

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Speaker 2: That Lee put together a hodgepodge, a patchwork quilt that

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Speaker 2: turned out beautifully.

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Speaker 1: Of him getting in the car.

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Speaker 2: And they've got a red light cam, and then they've

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Speaker 2: got a surveillance video at a store.

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Speaker 1: Then they've got a stop like Kim.

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Speaker 2: There's even a shot of Dulos going by in the

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Speaker 2: vehicle with her DNA in the backseat when a public

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Speaker 2: bus opens the door and you see Dulo's going by,

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Speaker 2: and they put together a story in video because as

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Speaker 2: Cheryl was just saying, you've got this video from Linda Lane,

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Speaker 2: then you've got in the video from the seven to

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Speaker 2: eleven where you see him go by four o'clock in

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Speaker 2: the morning, and there's more video they're trying to suppress.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree. And not only that they're attempting the defense,

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Speaker 8: that is, they're attempting to try to try to anchor

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Speaker 8: the narrative in their favor. Obviously that's what they have

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Speaker 8: to do, but they're even changing language, Nancy about this case.

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Speaker 8: They want a lot of the stuff excluded. We got

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Speaker 8: into this I think probably about eight days ago. I'd

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Speaker 8: urge anybody to go back and watch that episode where

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Speaker 8: we were talking about the language that's being used. And

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Speaker 8: one of the things that really stood out to me, Nancy,

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Speaker 8: was this idea of going back to the knife sheath.

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Speaker 8: They actually want to exclude the term touch DNA. So

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Speaker 8: all of us in our field and others, we're supposed

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Speaker 8: to exclude what is common language for us, so that

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Speaker 8: it doesn't paint him in a bad light. And all

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Speaker 8: of this, all of this evidence, whether it's videography or

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Speaker 8: the physical evidence or the purchases, it paints him in

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Speaker 8: a very very negative light. And so that's what they're

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Speaker 8: trying to do with this, to try to throw a

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Speaker 8: grenade into the room and try to disrupt this. All

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Speaker 8: they need is one little bit here, one little bit

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Speaker 8: to dissuade any jurors that might be on the fence.

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Speaker 6: Colberger also wants weather data from the night of the

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Speaker 6: murders to be kept from the jury. The state plans

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Speaker 6: to use records from the National Weather Service for November

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Speaker 6: twelve and thirteen to show Colberger wouldn't have had much

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Speaker 6: luck stargazing, as his vague alibi claims. The reports taken

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Speaker 6: at the Pullman Moscow Regional Airport, located roughly halfway between

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Speaker 6: the two college towns, show fog, reduced visibility and low

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Speaker 6: clouds at the time of the murders. Meteorologists say the

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Speaker 6: fog was not thick enough to impede travel, but the

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Speaker 6: night sky would only be clearly visible between breaks in

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Speaker 6: the clouds.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Idaho prosecutors planning to undercut Brian Coburger's alibi

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Speaker 2: based on stargazing. I will never forget when that came out,

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Speaker 2: you know what, at Sa Karma. Some would argue the

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Speaker 2: weather was terrible that night Sydney Center. The weather according

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Speaker 2: to the National Weather Institute, does not support In fact,

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Speaker 2: it destroys Coburger's alibi. He was out stargazing, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: That's what we believed from the beginning.

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Speaker 10: That's what you've said.

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Speaker 1: Over and over again.

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Speaker 14: The easiest way to disprove that he was starguzing was

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Speaker 14: whether or not you could see the sky that night,

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Speaker 14: and you couldn't according to this weather report, and that's

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Speaker 14: shaken from the Moscow Pullman Airport.

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Speaker 10: That's pretty much directly in the center between those two towns.

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Speaker 10: We drove that highway, Highway two seventy. It's directly in

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Speaker 10: the middle. So wherever he was in Pullman and Moscow

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Speaker 10: that night, he couldn't see the sky in either location.

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Speaker 2: Any Finally, in the case reveals prosecutors plan to introduce

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Speaker 2: National Weather Service records for November twelve and thirteen, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, as evidence. Apparently the area was shrouded in

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Speaker 2: low cloud's fog. With these visibility at the time of

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Speaker 2: their murders. Not much scar stargazing to be had.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's take a look at any piece of evidence.

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Speaker 2: It's Brian Coberger's driver's license that popped up in the

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Speaker 2: reams of evidence that we have been reviewing. I noticed

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Speaker 2: that he's an organ donor. Just got morgan, Can you

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Speaker 2: be an organ donor after the death penalty?

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Speaker 8: Here here's my take. I participated in assisting in three

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Speaker 8: autopsies of individuals that went through capital punishment. And you say, well,

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Speaker 8: why would you do that, Well, it's still a homicide.

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Speaker 8: All through those cases I assisted in were in Georgia,

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Speaker 8: and there's not much that you could do with the remains.

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Speaker 8: You can donate perhaps skin, maybe.

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Speaker 1: Eyes, it's going to be if anything.

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Speaker 8: Ye, no, no, it's not. And they are they are

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Speaker 8: asking for the firing squad, and it's possible, you know

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Speaker 8: that some elements of the body could be could be donated.

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Speaker 8: However the problem is if there's any thought that you're

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Speaker 8: going to put him on a vent and harvest a

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Speaker 8: heart or take kidneys or liver or anything like that,

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Speaker 8: that's that's not going to happen. You're talking about some

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Speaker 8: of the peripheral elements that they could go in after,

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Speaker 8: and that's certainly possible, but nothing as far as a

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Speaker 8: vital organ would go.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,