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Speaker 1: This weekend kind of feels like a desperation game or
Speaker 1: an elimination game in terms of the postseason.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at the field is wide open now.
Speaker 3: Even the Raiders have to feel like they have life
Speaker 3: and opportunity to actually, you know, make a run for
Speaker 3: one of these last spots in a wildcard. So with
Speaker 3: that being said, nobody's going to down. Everybody believes they
Speaker 3: have a real chance, and you have to start winning.
Speaker 3: November December is when you make the dash for the cash.
Speaker 3: Is when the crane rides to the top. And a
Speaker 3: lot of these teams that are fighting are going to
Speaker 3: start playing each other and it's going to be who
Speaker 3: can make those moments and have these small victories, win
Speaker 3: these battles so they can hopefully win the war to
Speaker 3: be able to get in the tournament.
Speaker 1: Both these teams are scuffling when you're talking about the
Speaker 1: Bills and the Jets right now, especially on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. For the Jets. Where you look
Speaker 1: at the Bills, I mean, they're dealing with a lot
Speaker 1: of things on all three levels, but they made a
Speaker 1: change at the offensive coordinator position. No more can dor
Speaker 1: Sy Joe Brady steps in.
Speaker 4: You know, winning cures everything. There's nothing like winning, so
Speaker 4: all the noise goes away as soon as you win
Speaker 4: a game. If you win two games, it's like you
Speaker 4: never heard it. And it's just the seasons, the season
Speaker 4: every year, the teams that were good at the beginning,
Speaker 4: like or the teams that were bad at the beginning,
Speaker 4: like Denver was bad in the beginning, horrible, right, Minnesota
Speaker 4: was bad at the beginning. Look at these teams right now.
Speaker 4: They're all a sending so you never know when it's
Speaker 4: going to turn and what turns it. It could be
Speaker 4: a play, it could be a game, It could be
Speaker 4: a moment, but things can turn and so you always
Speaker 4: have to stay positive. There's always opportunities to win these games.
Speaker 4: It was last week against the Raiders. There's opportunities to win.
Speaker 4: You get the ball at the two yard line, you
Speaker 4: gotta score. Like it's just that simple. It doesn't matter
Speaker 4: who the coordinator is, who the offensive line is, the
Speaker 4: balls at the two yard line, you gotta score a touchdown.
Speaker 4: And so teams are struggling when you can't do that,
Speaker 4: or when you're turning it over the way Buffalo's turning
Speaker 4: it over. Somebody's got to be the fall guy. That's
Speaker 4: what Sean McDermott did. He's like, we can't allow this
Speaker 4: to go any further, so we're gonna make this drastic change.
Speaker 4: We're gonna elevate this guy and we'll see, we'll see,
Speaker 4: like they got their fingers crossed, if the mistakes can
Speaker 4: go away.
Speaker 1: Right now, this is a nightmare matchup for the Bills
Speaker 1: because the Jets have always matched up well with them
Speaker 1: from a defensive angle, and now you got a sputtering
Speaker 1: offense and the first game up for the new coordinator
Speaker 1: is against the Jets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the crazy thing is right, you know, Buff
Speaker 3: and Josh Allen has always been a turnover machine.
Speaker 2: The issue was the defense was.
Speaker 3: Always there to bail them out and create opportunities and
Speaker 3: get turnovers. Remember a couple of years ago, this was
Speaker 3: the number one defense in the league right and didn't
Speaker 3: give up big plays. And they look what they did
Speaker 3: early on against a team like Miami. But it's about
Speaker 3: over attrition. When you think about the NFL season, it's
Speaker 3: a marathon, not a sprint, and you know people are
Speaker 3: going to get hurt, and some injuries have greater impact
Speaker 3: than others. I think Milano who was playing at an
Speaker 3: all pro you know, before Quincy Williams came out and
Speaker 3: started doing this thing. Milano was playing the best linebacker
Speaker 3: maybe in the AFC by himself. He gets hurt, to
Speaker 3: Davis White gets hurt, and then it's a trickle down
Speaker 3: effect and then you have to try and play differently.
Speaker 2: You can't call your place where you were built.
Speaker 3: Von Miller hasn't come back and been the player today
Speaker 3: thought and so like now they're spuntally.
Speaker 2: So now if you're the Jets, if you.
Speaker 3: Continue to generate turnovers and get the ball and short
Speaker 3: fields and make big plays and get off the field.
Speaker 3: They don't have that defense where maybe the offense can
Speaker 3: play in the field position get some big plays because
Speaker 3: there are opportunities to get had. You just have to
Speaker 3: identify the matchups that you have and you have to
Speaker 3: exploit them every time.
Speaker 1: Right, Robert Salaz said, it's gonna be changes on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. It's not gonna be the
Speaker 1: quarterback position. It's not gonna be the guy calling the signals.
Speaker 1: We saw early this week the Jets released Michael Carter,
Speaker 1: veteran running back who took on a third down role
Speaker 1: for this team. Do you think we're gonna see? Is is
Speaker 1: he Abana Kanda not only active but getting some opportunities
Speaker 1: with the ball because you got you got a big
Speaker 1: dog in that backfield with Breest Hall already and Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook showed some ju.
Speaker 4: You got to put your playmakers on the field. And
Speaker 4: we believe what we saw from Izzy in the preseason
Speaker 4: that this guy and then you just watch him at
Speaker 4: Pitt you got to put the ball in his hands
Speaker 4: and give him a chance. Well you'll never know what
Speaker 4: he ken or cannot do until he carries the ball.
Speaker 4: And so I think there's gonna be opportunities. They have
Speaker 4: run the ball well against Buffalo, they did last year
Speaker 4: when they beat them.
Speaker 2: Yep, Like they gotta lean on that.
Speaker 4: But any way that you can get Breessee, is he
Speaker 4: like the ball in space or just touches, we might
Speaker 4: see that explosiveness. They score from fifty yards away a
Speaker 4: lot better than they score from two yards away sometimes,
Speaker 4: and a lot of teams do. So let's see what
Speaker 4: he can do. You know something about a rookie, they
Speaker 4: don't know what, they don't know like, but he's fast.
Speaker 4: He's fast, and he knows how to finish. So I'd
Speaker 4: like to see him.
Speaker 1: He's an awesome system fit.
Speaker 3: I love this, you know because when you think about it, listen,
Speaker 3: if I'm the Jets, we got seventy players.
Speaker 2: In the game.
Speaker 3: Forty are going to be runs, and they're going to
Speaker 3: be explosive runs, but their body blows.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Remember what this team, you know in the two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine and twenty ten were right. They're a team
Speaker 3: that breaks you down, right, you're talking about it. You're
Speaker 3: going against a defense that has a lot of injured players.
Speaker 3: The last thing they want to do is to be
Speaker 3: in car wrecks over and over and over again, and
Speaker 3: that levee usually breaks in the second half. And I
Speaker 3: love the fact that you can bring a young guy
Speaker 3: much like when we brought Sean Green when remember Thomas
Speaker 3: Jones was leading the league in rushing, but who who
Speaker 3: was the finisher and who was the spark in the postseason.
Speaker 3: It was Sean Green because he had fresh legs. Not
Speaker 3: only do you have Izzy who has fresh legs, you
Speaker 3: also have Dalvin Cook who has fresh legs, who looked
Speaker 3: like he was, you know, popping out of his skin
Speaker 3: last week. So continue, right, So continue to get those
Speaker 3: because those one and two yard runs in the first
Speaker 3: quarter becomes you know, two to three in the second quarter,
Speaker 3: they become four to five or big plays or we've
Speaker 3: seen big plays from Breeze early on. If guys aren't
Speaker 3: stretched out, listen, it's gonna be cold. And if you
Speaker 3: can get guys to have to put them hamstrings to
Speaker 3: the test early on they're not stretched out, you know,
Speaker 3: it's opportunities to beat guys as they're not warmed up yet.
Speaker 3: And you got these young backs and you just throwing
Speaker 3: them at him, throwing them at it's like not getting
Speaker 3: a break and having double doubles, right, when you look
Speaker 3: at what the Raiders did. They said we're going to
Speaker 3: get movement. We're not gonna guys get penetration. I think
Speaker 3: about going against a guy like Ed Oliver. I love
Speaker 3: ed Oliver. I thought they should have drafted him. I
Speaker 3: was a big fan of his when he came out.
Speaker 3: He's a one guy penetrator. He's a light player. I
Speaker 3: will trap him and wham block him to death because
Speaker 3: he's gonna get up the field. I will trap and
Speaker 3: block him and run the ball downhill at these inexperienced
Speaker 3: linebackers and where they ass down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Linvil Joseph, he can't play fifty snaps.
Speaker 2: He just came in off.
Speaker 3: You get a guy like Lynnville Joseph and you're playing
Speaker 3: this up tempo.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 3: The problem is the Jets never get to the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage where they can figure out the answers to
Speaker 3: the test. They're usually getting out the huddle at fourteen
Speaker 3: and get to the line of scrimmage, and then it's
Speaker 3: if I'm a defender, I'm looking at the clock and
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, no matter what. If I get a
Speaker 3: caden and it's within three seconds, I know it has
Speaker 3: to be on this Caden, So I'm getting out. When
Speaker 3: you look at what other teams do, they get their
Speaker 3: muddle huddles. They get there and they may not have
Speaker 3: the play yet, but you can talk to the quarterback
Speaker 3: up to fifteen seconds. Get these guys to the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, smoke these guys out with dummy plays. Now,
Speaker 3: that takes discipline, but that's gonna let you see where
Speaker 3: the blitz is coming from. And then it also allows
Speaker 3: your coordinator to talk to you and say, hey, check
Speaker 3: to this. That's the game within the game. You see
Speaker 3: justin Herbert do it all the time. You see some
Speaker 3: of the better quarterbacks all the time. They get to
Speaker 3: shoes the player with It's not it's not a hurry up.
Speaker 3: But if you get to the line of scrimmage, oh,
Speaker 3: you have more time to read the boxes. Are we
Speaker 3: gonna run this run?
Speaker 2: And then you got defenders. I mean, listen, Peyton's doing
Speaker 2: to this all the time.
Speaker 3: You got guys fat, Yeah, three hundred and twenty pounds
Speaker 3: plus they're sitting in a stands. It's like doing a wall.
Speaker 3: Sit for sixteen to seventeen seconds. If that dry and
Speaker 3: if that drive goes eight plays, guys of thigves are burning.
Speaker 2: What kind of pass rush you think you got?
Speaker 3: If you sitting there, you see guys they've being a
Speaker 3: three point then they finally taking me a look up,
Speaker 3: like the hell, what's going on? Then they come back
Speaker 3: down right motion shifts. But as a lineman and you're
Speaker 3: in the two points saying you're chilling, you're good with that.
Speaker 4: I was watching Buffalo's game in the loss to Denver
Speaker 4: and Limbo Joseph is out there. So he's the biggest
Speaker 4: guy on the field right now. You know, he like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what kind of shape lin ball's in.
Speaker 4: He's always been a big guy, but you gotta test
Speaker 4: it like he's the one. Look, he's there to stop
Speaker 4: the run. He's gonna sit on the zero technique and
Speaker 4: be right on top of Joe Tipman. He just wondering
Speaker 4: like if you run almost like what part's saying. If
Speaker 4: you go up tempo and you're having some success running
Speaker 4: the ball and you keep him on the field like that,
Speaker 4: Gus is going out of that tank pretty fast, like
Speaker 4: you gotta.
Speaker 2: Get so now.
Speaker 3: So now you you burpned the baby right, just think
Speaker 3: all you have to do is get one first down,
Speaker 3: like great pass rushers. They got about four good pass
Speaker 3: rushers before, like they done, and a guy like lim
Speaker 3: Vill Joe, So now you're basically playing against three instead
Speaker 3: of four, right, because now you can man him up
Speaker 3: like we guys used to do that all the time.
Speaker 3: You try and get like Chris Jenkins, you try and
Speaker 3: get Vince Wilford, you want to know, huddle o Temple
Speaker 3: and get them stuck where they can't run out to
Speaker 3: try and change, and you know what their connor is
Speaker 3: going to be lobster, right, But you only get lobster
Speaker 3: so many times somebody's gonna think an injury. But that's
Speaker 3: how you know you got it. Somebody gonna go down,
Speaker 3: Oh my arm, oh my leg, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And they're gonna try and do it early, but then
Speaker 3: you can't keep doing that. You get one or two
Speaker 3: times to do lobster. So I'll catch it. I'll catch
Speaker 3: his other a game. Yup, Yeah, fat boy, We're gonna
Speaker 3: chut your cardio today.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the guys in the middle, you like what
Speaker 1: you've seen here from Joe Tipman, not only back as
Speaker 1: far as the whole portfolio, going back to early in
Speaker 1: the season, but you think he's been playing very well
Speaker 1: at center.
Speaker 2: He's such a good player man, and like to be
Speaker 2: that tall.
Speaker 3: Like guys think they can just run through him, but
Speaker 3: they don't realize that weight comes with height. But also,
Speaker 3: like you, I forgot the great philosopher to say, give
Speaker 3: me a lever big enough when I moved the world
Speaker 3: off his axis because he plays.
Speaker 2: With yeah, yeah, so he played.
Speaker 3: He plays with such leverage that when those feet are anchored,
Speaker 3: he's able to hold bigger guys off and he sticks
Speaker 3: to him because of at height, and he knows how
Speaker 3: to use his height with the right angle. Now sometimes
Speaker 3: he may get ahead of his ski sometimes, but when
Speaker 3: he got you and he's able to bend, you might
Speaker 3: get him back one two. But after that those feet
Speaker 3: are stuck in the ground.
Speaker 4: It's his natural position. Yeah, I mean he was drafted
Speaker 4: to be a center. I mean he was forced into
Speaker 4: play the right guard because of the situation. But this
Speaker 4: is what they drafted him to be the long term
Speaker 4: answer at center. Whether it's you know, that's what Nick
Speaker 4: Mangold was. You know, you go back in the history. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they've had Kevin, like they've had great centers here. Like
Speaker 4: I think he could be in that tradition of guys
Speaker 4: that have come through here and played a long time
Speaker 4: and at a high level.
Speaker 1: What are you making back then? After nine games now
Speaker 1: a lot of people were wondering, Hey, could he make
Speaker 1: it through nine snaps?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: I thought he was awesome against the Chargers, like he's
Speaker 4: going up against Bosa Mack. He eliminated him. He didn't
Speaker 4: have really a bad set. I thought last week he
Speaker 4: had some plays where he like to have him back. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think he just frustrated, Like I think they should
Speaker 4: run behind him. Okay, you know that's what he does best.
Speaker 4: He moves people. So I mean I build my offense
Speaker 4: around running behind him.
Speaker 3: That whole side him and Langdon Town it just worked.
Speaker 3: There were pulling Tipman front side, like.
Speaker 4: Just be a left handed team. Like, to me, that's
Speaker 4: that should be a strength of this team right now,
Speaker 4: lean on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My point of Beck then is that nobody gave him
Speaker 1: a shot before the beginning of the season. They said, no,
Speaker 1: this guy is never going to do it. Always her
Speaker 1: football league. You got to give him a ton of
Speaker 1: credit for what he did body wise, and then also
Speaker 1: just coming out here, the Jets continue to shuffle in
Speaker 1: personnel left and right along the offensive line.
Speaker 3: On the right, and the one constant has been and
Speaker 3: it's crazy right.
Speaker 2: But you know what's crazy right? Everybody knows that.
Speaker 3: People listening may or may not know, but you know,
Speaker 3: I come here, we shoot, you know today, and then
Speaker 3: I go into that little room right there and I
Speaker 3: shoot my radio show.
Speaker 2: But as a New.
Speaker 1: York that's one of the three.
Speaker 3: So as I'm shooting my radio show, the indoor facility
Speaker 3: is right behind me, and I'm looking out the window.
Speaker 2: And about two o'clock.
Speaker 3: Every time i'm here, I look out and I see
Speaker 3: Beck then out there with the coach doing individual work.
Speaker 3: I see it every week now, this week nine, I've
Speaker 3: seen it every week. So it's what you do in
Speaker 3: the dark comes to the light. So the fact that
Speaker 3: he's putting that work in nobody else sees that. I
Speaker 3: see it, the coaches see it, Nobody else in the
Speaker 3: league sees it he because it's not like he's there
Speaker 3: and it's like some other guys with him. It's him
Speaker 3: and a coach and he's working on sets and he's
Speaker 3: working on his technique. That's how you become a professional.
Speaker 3: You got to continue to sharpen the knife, and you know,
Speaker 3: that's why he's able to stay healthy. That's why he's
Speaker 3: able to play at a high level. Does he struggle
Speaker 3: at times with certain types of rushers, Yes, right, But
Speaker 3: you know he's been playing superstent and this is a
Speaker 3: guy that we thought, oh man, this guy's always hurt.
Speaker 3: He's in camp one practice, he's out the next. I
Speaker 3: think he's confident in his knee, and I think he
Speaker 3: feels confidence because he always believed that, you know, that
Speaker 3: injury will be protected if he played left tackle. Well,
Speaker 3: he's proven us Rome improving himself right.
Speaker 1: Bart Watson tempo offensively. Zach Wilson last week against the
Speaker 1: Raiders became the sixth player in the National Football League
Speaker 1: this season half two hundred fifty yards passing and fifty
Speaker 1: yards rushing in the same game. It's not like the
Speaker 1: Jets weren't moving the football against the Raiders. It was
Speaker 1: the missed opportunities in the first half.
Speaker 4: Baldi opportunities. You know, in a game where it's basically,
Speaker 4: you score a touchdown, you're gonna win a game. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's really just that simple, just one touchdown, and that's
Speaker 4: what it's been like against a lot of teams like Buffalo.
Speaker 4: The first game against the Eagles, all they needed was
Speaker 4: a touchdown. They got a touchdown. So, you know, kicking
Speaker 4: field goals can can be good. But I thought they
Speaker 4: moved the ball well enough to be able to finish
Speaker 4: these drives, and so I think there's almost a mental
Speaker 4: block you do. Yeah, and they've got you know, I
Speaker 4: think once they break the dam and they get through
Speaker 4: it and they score, I think they can score more frequently.
Speaker 4: It's just some kind of a block that you know,
Speaker 4: the holding call on Breee Hall's touchdown, you know, just
Speaker 4: unfortunate things that do happen. But penalties happen because you're
Speaker 4: not in position. That's generally why penalties happen, especially holding calls.
Speaker 4: Your feet aren't in the right place, your your body
Speaker 4: is not in the right place. So you know, it
Speaker 4: comes down to detailing your business, you know. I mean
Speaker 4: every single play can be that play with when you
Speaker 4: have Garrett Wilson and you have Breese Hall, you never
Speaker 4: know when one of those guys touching the ball can
Speaker 4: finish you know, a long ways away.
Speaker 3: And what was disappointing about that is that those penalties
Speaker 3: came from veterans and you know, you have to start
Speaker 3: holding your teammates accountable and understand that. You know, we
Speaker 3: brought you here to elevate our young quarterback and you're
Speaker 3: hurting the team. And you have to understand when you
Speaker 3: get a holding penalty down on the one yard line,
Speaker 3: not all penanties are created equally, right, You've got less
Speaker 3: feel to work with.
Speaker 2: You're on the one yard line.
Speaker 3: Even if you miss your block, breech Hall is good
Speaker 3: enough to make you right, so or brische Hall. Even
Speaker 3: if you do that and it's early in the down,
Speaker 3: it's first in goal. Even if it's a tackle for
Speaker 3: a one yard game, you should have three opportunities. But
Speaker 3: everything changes as far as play calling. If you get
Speaker 3: a holding penalty on the one yard line, it goes
Speaker 3: from because it's no first down to get. It's either
Speaker 3: a touchdown or nothing, and it's field goal or nothing.
Speaker 3: So you have to be smarter in situations. And I
Speaker 3: think that's where it's frustrating that they're getting they're getting
Speaker 3: into the red zone, but they're having concentration gaps and
Speaker 3: understand it. I can't get it here, I can't hold here.
Speaker 3: If he beats me, he beats me. I just got
Speaker 3: to stay connected to his body and know that I
Speaker 3: got a two hundred and twenty pounds back that can
Speaker 3: run through a nard tackle. So even if the guy's
Speaker 3: beating me, if I'm still on his left ard, he
Speaker 3: only has his right arm free, that's not enough to
Speaker 3: bring breeze. Now, So that's what you're talking about. You
Speaker 3: talking about the football acumen and being a veteran team
Speaker 3: that doesn't beat yourself. Are you gonna lose at times? Yes,
Speaker 3: you have to understand when you know, taking the l
Speaker 3: can still be a w if you don't, you know,
Speaker 3: make the Cardinals stand by giving us fifteen.
Speaker 1: Don't try to do too much bout of mine. So
Speaker 1: what about this little stretch here? Jets Bills Sunday. Then
Speaker 1: you had a couple of days and you're back, first
Speaker 1: Black Friday game Friday nine and file history against the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing can swing in a hurt.
Speaker 4: Division games. Look, these division games count almost two. Because
Speaker 4: we've talked about this, you know already, like if Buffalo
Speaker 4: loses this game, they're reeling five and six, they lose
Speaker 4: two in a row at home, the fans are turning
Speaker 4: on them like this. This team had high expectations. All right,
Speaker 4: So you go in there and you beat Buffalo, you know,
Speaker 4: and we'll see what happens Miami this weekend against the
Speaker 4: This doesn't really matter. We know that that that offense
Speaker 4: can be defended against good defenses. Kansas City has done it,
Speaker 4: Buffalo has done it, Philadelphia has done it. We've seen
Speaker 4: good defenses have slowed that offense down. So there's the
Speaker 4: question of can you get into some kind of rhythm
Speaker 4: for your offense. And that's really what the season is
Speaker 4: about right now. And I believe this. If the offense
Speaker 4: comes out, let's just say they take the opening drive
Speaker 4: and score, okay, and you kind of get rid of
Speaker 4: this block that I'm talking about. You know what that's
Speaker 4: gonna do to the defense, Like they're already playing hard,
Speaker 4: but they're just gonna play that much harder. Like we
Speaker 4: got an offense, say we got points like we don't.
Speaker 4: It's hard to win games if you're not scoring points.
Speaker 2: It's just hard.
Speaker 4: I don't care how good your defense is. So but
Speaker 4: if you can score and you do that against Buffalo
Speaker 4: and win, it's gonna the confidence in this building is
Speaker 4: gonna change.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you think about you know, getting the score
Speaker 3: the team the defense can say they're gonna put on themselves,
Speaker 3: say you know what, if we don't give up a score,
Speaker 3: we win because we're going to also play the field
Speaker 3: position game. And understand what that does to Buffalo in
Speaker 3: the fan base. Quiets the crowd, allows you to hear,
Speaker 3: but also it deflates them, like, oh here we go again.
Speaker 3: Because listen, when you fire your coordinator, you're looking for
Speaker 3: somebody to blame. But if you get the same result
Speaker 3: and the just defense play up to their capabilities, then
Speaker 3: they run out of people to blame. So then now
Speaker 3: reality sets in because they play their card. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not the coordinator, it's us. We're not that good.
Speaker 3: In the realization that that window that opened three years
Speaker 3: ago when they had that tremendous game playoff game against
Speaker 3: Kent's City and they thought they were right there, they
Speaker 3: have to come to the realization that we got old.
Speaker 3: And yes, windows open and closed in this league when
Speaker 3: you have a great franchise quarterback like Josh Allen, but
Speaker 3: this version of the Buffalo Bills is closed. Gabe Davis
Speaker 3: could be going next year. Diggs is a problem. They're
Speaker 3: stuck with him. He could become a malcatate. He becomes
Speaker 3: somebody that becomes a distraction. They really can't run the football.
Speaker 3: You know, you got Dion Dawkins. You know you got
Speaker 3: guys that are getting older. Spencer Brown is not a
Speaker 3: good player, right.
Speaker 4: You gotta wear him out. You gotta wear him out, right,
Speaker 4: tackle he got to be the fish you got. You
Speaker 4: gotta like this should be lined up wanting to go
Speaker 4: against him every time.
Speaker 1: In one jet who probably doesn't get enough credit because
Speaker 1: what those young dudes have been doing is John Franklin Meyer.
Speaker 1: John Franklin My historically has been a big issue for
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown because he bullies them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so well, you could bully him, or you can
Speaker 4: speed rush him. You can get your way with him.
Speaker 4: You know, he's a They like him. He's a tough guy.
Speaker 4: He's a pretty decent run blocker, but he's a liability
Speaker 4: in protection. And so that's really like when they lose
Speaker 4: to Cincinnati. They lose the Cincinnati because they get beat
Speaker 4: up front and Josh Allen is trying to play hero ball.
Speaker 4: He's trying to do too much because he has to
Speaker 4: in order, and that's when he's guilty making some turnovers.
Speaker 1: It's just a fascinating matchup on so many levels. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting that the Bills did this move prior to
Speaker 1: playing the Jets defense as opposed to prior to playing
Speaker 1: with the Broncles.
Speaker 4: Well, they couldn't wait, they couldn't waste any more time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you look at their schedule, when was a
Speaker 3: good day game to say? Okay against the Cowboys. I
Speaker 3: think they still have the Eagles next week. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: have the toughest schedule remaining.
Speaker 1: But if you're a Jets fan, aren't you excited about? Okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the offense eight touchdowns and nine games. We know, we
Speaker 1: know about the problems as far as the penalties, but
Speaker 1: they moved the ball. They still got Breest Hall, It's
Speaker 1: still got Garrett Wilson. You're gonna see more young guys.
Speaker 1: You can see more young guys.
Speaker 2: Juice. They need juice.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what the shake cups going to
Speaker 3: be because they need more juice.
Speaker 1: So what do you anticipate? So we talked about Izzie
Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, let's out and here before Friss.
Speaker 2: Can I see Bromley?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, Alan, if you're not healthy, we gotta
Speaker 3: sit you down, and we gotta get somebody else's opportunity.
Speaker 3: They need somebody to step up opposite Garrett Wilson. You
Speaker 3: can't because if I'm playing the Jets, I'm saying, listen,
Speaker 3: load the box, double Garrett Wilson, single up, Alan Lazard.
Speaker 3: I got a extra man in the box. I should
Speaker 3: better dominate. Somebody has to make somebody pay the same way.
Speaker 3: DJ Reed had to say, not on my watch, because
Speaker 3: people are going away from Salt. We need somebody opposite. Say, oh,
Speaker 3: you're gonna disrespect me and man block me with your
Speaker 3: second best corner, or in the slot, you're gonna put
Speaker 3: your third best corner on me. You think I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna win because you're you're putting extra resources to stop
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson and the extra guy to stop Breeze Hall.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna make you pay. Play me honest.
Speaker 2: So I lied.
Speaker 1: I got one more for you. Ball things got his.
Speaker 1: He got his numbers in week one because they moved
Speaker 1: him around because they knew, okay, playing the Jazz, they
Speaker 1: don't travel. Yeah, so we got to make sure that
Speaker 1: we move him around. He got his what's the counter
Speaker 1: this week? On both sides because you know, Josh Allen's
Speaker 1: going to try to keep Digs engaged because if they
Speaker 1: don't get gone.
Speaker 4: So Bart's touch on him. But here's the problem, and
Speaker 4: it's with all these you know, number one wide receivers.
Speaker 4: If you say, okay, we got to make them happy,
Speaker 4: the quarterback shop is to get it to the open receiver.
Speaker 4: If you take Digs out, whether you bang them at
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage and you cloud them over the top,
Speaker 4: however you want to do it, and you eliminate him
Speaker 4: as a number one, and they got to go to
Speaker 4: Shakiir or they got to go to Gabe Davis and
Speaker 4: he's sulking. That's not that's not Josh's fault.
Speaker 1: Chats can do that.
Speaker 2: You could do that.
Speaker 4: So like you hope that that happens. But you know,
Speaker 4: they made all this effort to get the ball to
Speaker 4: DeVante to start the game, which is fine. He's catching
Speaker 4: balls for four yards, big deal. He got his catches.
Speaker 4: He wasn't hurting him. Then he's not beating them over
Speaker 4: the top. You know, Diggs hurts you when he beats
Speaker 4: you over the top or he catches you know, one
Speaker 4: of these dig routes and you know, and he and
Speaker 4: he goes along ways, he catches it on the run.
Speaker 1: Can we throw some roses to the Jets entire defense
Speaker 1: as far as what they're doing coverage wise, because you
Speaker 1: guys did a beautiful job Jets game Dave Robert Salad,
Speaker 1: CBS seven thirty or YouTube New York Jets dot com.
Speaker 1: You check that out. As far as just looking what
Speaker 1: they were doing in his own coverage, you think the
Speaker 1: communication has been tremendous.
Speaker 3: Right communication is seeing the route the same. But because
Speaker 3: a lot of times you have to have non verbal
Speaker 3: communication when you consider, you know, sometimes you can't hear
Speaker 3: and you're talking about the left corner, you know, understanding
Speaker 3: seeing what the right corner is doing and being on
Speaker 3: a string, and they're on the string right now. But
Speaker 3: you know, to go back what you were saying before,
Speaker 3: how I would defend Diggs if he's on the outside,
Speaker 3: I'm fine. But if they hie him in the slide
Speaker 3: against Mike Carter, even though I love Michael Carter, the
Speaker 3: double will be on, and the double will be on
Speaker 3: either by the backside safety. The backside safety will have
Speaker 3: an opportunity that if he runs in those dig routes,
Speaker 3: that you come down what we call radar. You come
Speaker 3: down and you take it, because a quarterback will never
Speaker 3: see it because he's reading left to right. He'll never
Speaker 3: see the right safety if he's running a dick coming
Speaker 3: down from here and and it's going to look like
Speaker 3: Michael Carter's beat because he's going to have to stay
Speaker 3: on the backside of him. In case he ever runs
Speaker 3: at yoyo rout and comes back, he's always in good
Speaker 3: position knowing that front side he has your front side
Speaker 3: safety coming down. If he's on the outside, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I got tremendous belief that Reed and Sauce can get
Speaker 3: her done. But if he's in a slot, I'm going
Speaker 3: to double him because he's in a slot for a reason.
Speaker 3: So when he goes in the slot, I'm going to
Speaker 3: double him because I got a great belief that.
Speaker 2: The ball is going to go to him and now
Speaker 2: I can put to him. Tip balls change games.
Speaker 4: So Stefan Diggs is a router. So if he's on
Speaker 4: the outside against you know, Sauce or DJ like, he's
Speaker 4: a great route runner, but routes take time. So if
Speaker 4: you can disrupt the timing by just getting moving, Josh
Speaker 4: or getting a hand on or anything that takes his
Speaker 4: eyes off for a second. Diggs who's working his double,
Speaker 4: move his stuttering, go whatever it is.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 4: He's excellent at changing directions and changing speeds. But the
Speaker 4: way that you counter that is as.
Speaker 1: You rush, massive game for both teams. A great job
Speaker 1: from you, fellas, as always, see you soon.
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Speaker 1: here in the Audi Performance Studio, joined by Chris Long. Chris,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time out to
Speaker 1: talk to us about the Jets. What's ahead for the
Speaker 1: Green and White. First off, what's your takeaway and the
Speaker 1: Jets season to date?
Speaker 7: My big takeaway is, obviously it's a challenge because you
Speaker 7: have Aaron Rodgers signed up. Obviously, the injury happens right away.
Speaker 7: I really had high hopes for the team. I still do,
Speaker 7: you know, I had picked him to go to the
Speaker 7: super Bowl with with with with Aaron on the on
Speaker 7: the roster healthy, but that all changed. I think the
Speaker 7: big thing that I think it's obvious to some people,
Speaker 7: but the team is built for Aaron. You know, it's
Speaker 7: built with the coordinator that Aaron brings in, Nathaniel Hackett,
Speaker 7: who's a good coaching zone, right, But that that relationship
Speaker 7: was important. A lot of the concepts out of the
Speaker 7: gate or designed more for Aaron, and and when you
Speaker 7: have to make that change, it is a big adjustment.
Speaker 7: But I think I've seen some exciting moments from this
Speaker 7: team where they figure out how to win games. You know,
Speaker 7: Zach's figured out at times how to string together you know,
Speaker 7: these improbable heroic drives. I think the team at different points,
Speaker 7: like you could tell the Buffalo game. You talk to
Speaker 7: Jets fans, they're like, Oh, in the past, we don't
Speaker 7: have that big play on special teams. You know, we
Speaker 7: go to overtime and maybe something goes wrong and so
Speaker 7: you can send us a little bit of magic. But
Speaker 7: now they're kind of getting tested a little bit, and
Speaker 7: I think got defense just got to hang in there.
Speaker 7: You know, I've been on defenses where the offense is
Speaker 7: trying to work things out.
Speaker 5: It can be stressful for the entire group.
Speaker 7: But I think Salah is a great leader, and I
Speaker 7: think they got veterans in that locker room that'll keep
Speaker 7: them together through this rough stretch.
Speaker 1: Speaking of rough stretches, your podcast, the green Light Podcast,
Speaker 1: talks about what the Buffalo Bills are going through right now.
Speaker 1: What do you think about what's on the horizon for
Speaker 1: both of these teams who are looking to halt a
Speaker 1: two game losing streak against each other there which, frankly,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are looking at this game. Chris
Speaker 1: is it's an elimination game or a bit don't survival.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a back against the wall game. For sure
Speaker 7: for both teams. You know, I think for the Bills
Speaker 7: with the expectations they had, I think once Aaron got hurt,
Speaker 7: people looked at the Jets as you know, like this
Speaker 7: could be a great story. You know, these guys having
Speaker 7: an opportunity to do something nobody believes in them doing.
Speaker 7: And I still think those things are out there for them.
Speaker 7: But for the Bills, with Super Bowl aspirations, with that
Speaker 7: quarterback under center, this is supposed to be a big
Speaker 7: year for them. And I think the Miami game going
Speaker 7: up winning forty eight twenty at their place, You're thinking
Speaker 7: this is like I remember, for two weeks we're like
Speaker 7: this is a super Bowl favorite. But that's the ebb
Speaker 7: and flow of the NFL season, and I think it
Speaker 7: is a back against the wall game. But it's also
Speaker 7: a game that's exciting for the Bills because you know,
Speaker 7: you do have that. It sucks to lose a coordinator,
Speaker 7: to fire a coordinator, nobody likes to do that. That's
Speaker 7: a stressful time in a facility. But Joe Brady's seen
Speaker 7: some ball. You know, that run at LSU was amazing.
Speaker 7: And then I think in Carolina, I wouldn't get I
Speaker 7: would I would grade him incomplete because the Matt rule
Speaker 7: thing didn't really work out.
Speaker 5: I don't think he had the same.
Speaker 7: Type of weapons at his disposals. So I think for
Speaker 7: Buffalo they're going to want to say, hey, we can
Speaker 7: restart right here, you know. And for the Jets, every
Speaker 7: week is back against the wall implicitly when you are
Speaker 7: rolling with the number two option at quarterback. And I
Speaker 7: know it's been a long time, but every week it
Speaker 7: feels like back against the wall, and that's exciting and stressful,
Speaker 7: but you want to get some breathing rooms so you
Speaker 7: can kind of you want to pick this one up
Speaker 7: if you can.
Speaker 1: In today's modern age of football. How unique is this
Speaker 1: Jets defense in terms of what they're bringing at you
Speaker 1: at all three levels?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I think when you have young corner corners,
Speaker 7: like you know, it gets a lot of attention.
Speaker 5: He should.
Speaker 7: That guy's awesome, But there's other guys back there who
Speaker 7: can really play. And I'm a big fan of linebacking corps.
Speaker 5: You know. Again, it's like.
Speaker 7: Last year, we're paying a lot of attention to Williams upfront,
Speaker 7: but then he's got a brother that can really play.
Speaker 7: And sometimes I can't take my eyes off off him,
Speaker 7: and I can't take my eyes off the defensive line.
Speaker 5: Like I could name them all.
Speaker 7: But I don't want to give anybody more credit than
Speaker 7: the others because I've been on groups like this where
Speaker 7: you just roll bodies like Bryce Huff for instance, not
Speaker 7: a guy that gets a lot of credit, one of
Speaker 7: my favorite players in the league to watch. You talk
Speaker 7: about his pressure percentage, things that go un noticed sometimes
Speaker 7: by fans, win rate. That stuff's legit, you know, it's
Speaker 7: he should be proud of those those metrics because this
Speaker 7: guy doesn't get a lot of attention, but he's one
Speaker 7: of my favorite rushers in the league. Talk about John
Speaker 7: franklin Iris versatility, Germaine's coming on. They just have guys
Speaker 7: that come at you in waves, and I think that's
Speaker 7: that's a familiar feeling for me being in a group
Speaker 7: like that, so it's exciting to watch. But they have
Speaker 7: playmakers at every level of defense, and like I said,
Speaker 7: they do a lot in some disadvantageous situations, which I think,
Speaker 7: like sometimes when you're weighing the best defenses in ball,
Speaker 7: look at how good the complimentary football is for say
Speaker 7: the Ravens most weeks. If they're not turning the ball
Speaker 7: over or the Chiefs most weeks, some of these defenses
Speaker 7: that get talked talked about in that light. The Jets
Speaker 7: are often in situations that you don't want to be in,
Speaker 7: and they make other quarterbacks look bad despite it, and
Speaker 7: they keep the points down despite it. So I really
Speaker 7: just respect the group and I love that they have
Speaker 7: playmakers at every level of defense.
Speaker 5: Something you get.
Speaker 1: You did this at such a high level. You want
Speaker 1: a couple of rings. You mentioned you said he's one
Speaker 1: of your favorite guys in the entire league to watch.
Speaker 1: Is a guy who played on the outside. What do
Speaker 1: you like most about his game?
Speaker 7: He's unique, you know, his his leverage is incredible, Like
Speaker 7: when he runs the hoop, he can get on under
Speaker 7: somebody's arm and he's run that tight hoop. He's got
Speaker 7: that really good low center of gravity and the ability
Speaker 7: to turn his hips quickly and win at the top.
Speaker 7: So I also think he's just got a good feel,
Speaker 7: Like the guy's got a lot of tools in his toolbox.
Speaker 7: I like seeing rushers that can you know that kind
Speaker 7: of they don't guess. You know, he's feeling the down,
Speaker 7: you know, as he goes and and I know that
Speaker 7: he probably saves up a home runner too, and he's
Speaker 7: pre premeditated a move or two. But I just feel
Speaker 7: like he's the type of guy that comes out there
Speaker 7: and lets it rip and has a bunch of tools
Speaker 7: and toolbox and understands leverage and timing and power. You know,
Speaker 7: like he's just fun to watch that way where he's
Speaker 7: not prototypically gifted, but he's gifted in a really you know,
Speaker 7: under the radar way that some fan might not pick
Speaker 7: up on.
Speaker 5: I just love watching him play. Wins a lot of rushes.
Speaker 7: You don't see him just getting blocked, and that's one
Speaker 7: of my favor things. Guys who are active, guys who
Speaker 7: who have high batting percentages.
Speaker 5: So to speak out there on the.
Speaker 1: Edge, what do you think about Jermaine in the way
Speaker 1: he's taken advantage of those opportunities here in year two.
Speaker 1: And also when you watch him, we know he's not
Speaker 1: a finished product. Jermaine Johnson a former first round pick.
Speaker 1: But what's next for him?
Speaker 7: I think what's next for him is just continued growth
Speaker 7: and you know, steady that build of confidence. You know,
Speaker 7: I think it's a challenge to be a first round pick,
Speaker 7: but it's also a challenge to be a first round
Speaker 7: pick and walk into a defense that's got a bunch
Speaker 7: of guys that are going to eat and you know,
Speaker 7: there's there's a positive to it, which I'm sure he
Speaker 7: sounds like great guy, you know, talking to Joe Douglas
Speaker 7: and all that stuff, where he's not selfish and you know,
Speaker 7: but the but the the pressure on you is pick
Speaker 7: to produce in a room where there's only so many
Speaker 7: buckets to go around is tough because people might look
Speaker 7: up and say, hey, you're not a ten sad guy.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of mouths to feed in that
Speaker 5: D line room.
Speaker 7: And I think he's done a good job of progressing
Speaker 7: as his career has gone on. But also like he
Speaker 7: started to, I think feel a knack for when to
Speaker 7: make a big play. You know, It's just that's a
Speaker 7: thing that comes with confidence and it comes with experience.
Speaker 7: And I think he's a rep guy. You can tell
Speaker 7: he's a worker. So the more reps he's going to get,
Speaker 7: the more his game's going to elevate.
Speaker 5: I'm excited to watch Jfum.
Speaker 1: How much do you appreciate his versatility because he can
Speaker 1: beat you on the outside. They can shift him inside,
Speaker 1: you can take advantage of that guard.
Speaker 5: That's my favorite thing about him.
Speaker 7: I don't think enough teams and I had mentioned this
Speaker 7: early in the season, because you know, you guys are
Speaker 7: really evenly distributed in skill, as in, hey, there's no
Speaker 7: one guy on the outside. Although I'm a big Bryce
Speaker 7: Health fan, but there's no like von Miller in his
Speaker 7: prime guy that people are like, hey, we got to
Speaker 7: pay all this attention to him. And sometimes when you
Speaker 7: have an advantage out there or when the when the
Speaker 7: the moment's right, and that's based on a lot of
Speaker 7: factors in a game and in a in a situation.
Speaker 7: But like I like putting a big guy outside that
Speaker 7: can dent the pocket, that can get that like when
Speaker 7: when they'll put a Fletcher Cox sometimes outside in Philly,
Speaker 7: Chris Jones is somebody who famously, uh will will go
Speaker 7: outside and tackles are like, the hell's this?
Speaker 5: I don't want to deal with this.
Speaker 7: I think it's the same thing with the John Franklin
Speaker 7: Myers when you move him around. And I like power rushers,
Speaker 7: I like guys, but he's also got some really good
Speaker 7: wiggle on the edge and he's got good hands. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's one of my favorite guys to watch as well.
Speaker 7: They really do have a good, versatile, unselfish group.
Speaker 1: Quinnin doesn't have the sacked numbers, but everybody inside the
Speaker 1: building and anybody who watches the tape says, this guy
Speaker 1: is just eruptive? Is ever? Can you talk about Quinnin
Speaker 1: and the challenge I guess for you guys as professionals,
Speaker 1: as somebody battled in between the white lines, is that
Speaker 1: those sac numbers are coming. But you know, you are
Speaker 1: helping your team win because you're getting double team or
Speaker 1: you're getting triple team, and you're freeing guys up and
Speaker 1: creating those one on ones and you will, oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, are still creating pressure yourself.
Speaker 7: I think it's really important for people to to realize
Speaker 7: that that sack number is not everything. I mean, it's
Speaker 7: definitely something that's an indicator, but a lot of times
Speaker 7: we don't know what is indicating. I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: some of the best games I played in I had
Speaker 7: you know, half sack or no sacks and six seven pressures,
Speaker 7: four hits, you know, maybe causing interceptions like that's the
Speaker 7: stuff that we pride ourselves on that maybe fans walking
Speaker 7: into the stadium looking at the box score and say, hey,
Speaker 7: that guy was a tearor today, one of my least
Speaker 7: favorite things to hear somebody say or re online or
Speaker 7: that sort of thing is haven't heard his name called
Speaker 7: all day long. Well, there might be a couple of reasons.
Speaker 7: Number one, maybe he's affecting other people being able to
Speaker 7: make plays. Maybe they're actively trying to take him out
Speaker 7: of the ball game. Maybe the quarterbacks speeding the clock up.
Speaker 7: Time to throw is variable every week, every matchup, and
Speaker 7: oftentimes it works against you when you're a good player
Speaker 7: and you've got a good group up front. And also
Speaker 7: maybe you're not watching close enough because most people, myself included,
Speaker 7: when I sit down to watch a game, I'm watching
Speaker 7: the ball and then I'll get on the replay, watch
Speaker 7: the All twenty two and that sort of thing. Most
Speaker 7: people aren't diving into that tape. And so I think,
Speaker 7: if I'm honest, until I get into my All twenty
Speaker 7: two during the week, I don't know if you just said, hey,
Speaker 7: how did kalay Is Campbell play this week, Well, I've
Speaker 7: watched the Arizona offense, I've watched the Atlanta defense, I've
Speaker 7: watched the All twenty two. But then there's another layer
Speaker 7: of going back and watching each player, and most people
Speaker 7: aren't doing that. So I trust the people in the building,
Speaker 7: and I also trust my eyes when I see a
Speaker 7: guy who's still a wrecking ball out there. And so
Speaker 7: as a player, the only thing that matters is, honestly,
Speaker 7: the perception of your teammates. When you turn that film
Speaker 7: on on Mondays and if you're doing your job, they're
Speaker 7: going to see that and they appreciate it already that
Speaker 7: guy can play. I think sometimes the production can spike
Speaker 7: on a guy in a single year and it's not
Speaker 7: representative of maybe where he's going to be every year.
Speaker 7: But I think if you're paying attention to him, you know,
Speaker 7: the difference between him last year and this year is
Speaker 7: not some astronomical thing.
Speaker 5: It's just things aren't sometimes breaking right.
Speaker 7: And you know, sack is the funniest damn stat in
Speaker 7: football because it's so dependent on everything else.
Speaker 2: CJ.
Speaker 1: Moseley, he just reached a thousand tackles. Talk about something
Speaker 1: that flies under the radar. He hit fourteen tackles against
Speaker 1: the Raiders. That's the sixth time in his career he's
Speaker 1: reached that number. But he doesn't seem to have any
Speaker 1: drop off. When you're talking about a linebacker in his
Speaker 1: early thirties, how much do you appreciate what he still
Speaker 1: is at this point in his career.
Speaker 7: I mean, I really appreciate, because I know how hard
Speaker 7: it is to be thirty in the NFL and play
Speaker 7: that physical. He's playing really physical, making a ton of
Speaker 7: stops tackles every week.
Speaker 5: He's done that his whole career. Also, the pressure of.
Speaker 7: Being a guy that you know, you guys are asking
Speaker 7: a lot of I think, you know, from a financial standpoint,
Speaker 7: he's been rewarded up there, and with that comes pressure,
Speaker 7: and you know, I think he's dealt with the pressure nicely.
Speaker 7: And he seems to be a guy that teammates love.
Speaker 7: He seems to be a guy that just busts his
Speaker 7: butt every day. And anytime you watch the football, it's
Speaker 7: him and Williams around the ball. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 7: it's high energy.
Speaker 5: It's like.
Speaker 7: These guys for teams that have these offensive lulls where
Speaker 7: the offense isn't playing great and the mood might get
Speaker 7: down on the sideline, it's like another three and out
Speaker 7: are a pick. And by the way, I think the
Speaker 7: offense is doing a nice job picking up Zach. I've
Speaker 7: seen a lot of indications that those guys are even
Speaker 7: in his worst moments, Like I have a picture of
Speaker 7: Lazard coming over to console him after he fumbled that ball.
Speaker 7: It's a mistake you don't want to make, but you
Speaker 7: can see that nobody wants to make that mistake.
Speaker 5: Zach doesn't want to make that mistake.
Speaker 7: The move can still get down sometimes, and I think
Speaker 7: having defensive players that are not only great players, but
Speaker 7: high energy. They're like tone setters, you know, celebrate big
Speaker 7: plays no matter what the score is, no matter how
Speaker 7: the game's going, hype each other up, finish on the football.
Speaker 7: That's kind of what I see when I watch suggests
Speaker 7: defense on the second level.
Speaker 1: So I know this is something you're gonna appreciate. Sala
Speaker 1: always talks about the back end and the front end
Speaker 1: being connected, and that quarterback, if he has to hitch
Speaker 1: one more time, that's going to give us an opportunity
Speaker 1: to get there up front. With that being said, those
Speaker 1: three cornerbacks when you're throwing out Sauce Gardner, DJ Reid
Speaker 1: and then Michael Carter the second at the nickel spot,
Speaker 1: how much do they complete this unit.
Speaker 7: Well, it's big because you know, like I said earlier,
Speaker 7: everybody's talking about saw Us, nobody talks about Reid.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 7: You know, having those guys on the back end and
Speaker 7: having a nickel who can play at a high level
Speaker 7: is a huge It's almost a necessity.
Speaker 5: It's not a luxury anymore.
Speaker 7: Like if you want to go anywhere, you've got to
Speaker 7: have a ton of cover guys back there. I'll give
Speaker 7: you an example, like San Francisco when they struggle with
Speaker 7: Cincinnati a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: You can kind of see that coming.
Speaker 7: Now they've made some changes in the back end at
Speaker 7: San Francisco working I think it was Ambry Thomas in
Speaker 7: a little bit more and you put Leonora inside like
Speaker 7: so shuffling a pieces. But when you play Cincinnati and
Speaker 7: Higgins is healthy, you got three really great receivers or
Speaker 7: good receivers right that you're going to have to contend with.
Speaker 7: If you don't have that third guy that can cover,
Speaker 7: you're in trouble in today's NFL because when you see
Speaker 7: the best teams, they have three options, most of them
Speaker 7: that they can. Now Kansas City is different this year,
Speaker 7: and that sort of thing.
Speaker 5: But year in and year out.
Speaker 7: If you want to go somewhere, you got to have
Speaker 7: at least three guys back there that can cover at
Speaker 7: a high level, and especially the nickel position because the
Speaker 7: game's changed where that's a necessity, as I said, and
Speaker 7: not a luxury. So for lineman, I'd love to play
Speaker 7: for the Jets, you know, like the fractions of time.
Speaker 5: That's what we used to talk about. You alluded to it, the.
Speaker 7: Difference between Quinn and Williams being the thing everybody talks
Speaker 7: about on a Monday morning versus the you know, hey,
Speaker 7: I didn't hear his name. Is one more pat you
Speaker 7: know where it's schematically playing more aggressively on the back end,
Speaker 7: or it's a re route. It's all this little stuff
Speaker 7: that goes into team defense. And so I think having
Speaker 7: that back ends like a defensive line's best friend.
Speaker 1: Well, offensively, what do you think is next for the
Speaker 1: Jets to play in a Bills unit that's been Deine
Speaker 1: made it by injuries here, but the Jets we know
Speaker 1: about their offensive struggles as far as getting the ball
Speaker 1: in the end zone. I think it's eight offensive touchdowns
Speaker 1: in nine games. With that being said, Chris, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of encouraging aspects of that game against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: But this team just has to find a way to
Speaker 1: finish they do.
Speaker 7: They have to find a way to finish drives, man,
Speaker 7: And that's the hard thing when you're not really that explosive.
Speaker 5: I mean, Garrett's awesome.
Speaker 7: They found a way to get him some chunk plays
Speaker 7: at times and only had a couple of the other night.
Speaker 5: But like you know, the longer driver, Zach has to
Speaker 5: be patient.
Speaker 7: You know, it's the same thing we're talking about with
Speaker 7: with with Josh. You know, it's like, hey, just extend
Speaker 7: the length of these drives. Eventually these guys might get impatient.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 7: That's that's what made Zac great at Byu, is his
Speaker 7: aggressiveness and all that stuff. But I think it's the
Speaker 7: staying on the details throughout the course of the entire drive,
Speaker 7: whether it's a choice route, which way am I going?
Speaker 7: Where am I supposed to sit down here? Because sometimes
Speaker 7: it's on the receivers, not the quarterback. And for Zach
Speaker 7: it's like, do I need to drop the arm angle here?
Speaker 7: You know, maybe I just need to stick to my
Speaker 7: fundamentals in this situation. But I think more Nathan, you
Speaker 7: play in Buffalo. You have not played Buffalo since they
Speaker 7: look this way defensively, and I mean, like Ken Dorris
Speaker 7: is getting a lot of attention right now. The Bills offense,
Speaker 7: what's going on with that? But the defense, although they've
Speaker 7: hung in there, they're down some guys. I mean Matt Mlano,
Speaker 7: one of my favorite players in the league. That guy
Speaker 7: is a nightmare. And when you talk about having your
Speaker 7: best player in the backfield, there one of them in
Speaker 7: Bresse Hall. You know the second level of defense is
Speaker 7: going to look different than it used to. I mean
Speaker 7: the first time you played the Bills, they're down a
Speaker 7: stud up front inside. So can the run game get going?
Speaker 7: I think it's just all about patience with these guys
Speaker 7: and then cashing in when you get in the red zone,
Speaker 7: when you get in plus territory, taking care of the
Speaker 7: football because teams are going to naturally make you drive
Speaker 7: the football and expect Zach to make a mistake, and
Speaker 7: I think that's on him to just eliminate that stuff
Speaker 7: and lean into getting your best players of the ball
Speaker 7: as easily as you can. Easy touches for these guys.
Speaker 7: That's the best thing you got going for you, right
Speaker 7: Those two guys. I mentioned Garrett Wilson, Breis Hall, Studs
Speaker 7: offensive line banged up a little bit, not playing so well.
Speaker 7: Get these guys the ball quickly in space, Nathaniel Hacketts
Speaker 7: got to find a way to do that.
Speaker 1: You started out here talking about Aaron Rodgers. You've competed
Speaker 1: against him. What do you make about the way he's
Speaker 1: attacked his recovery, and also what are your expectations for him?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily twenty twenty three, but whenever he returns to
Speaker 1: the field.
Speaker 7: I think he's still going to be really good when
Speaker 7: he comes back. I mean, it's the reason I believed
Speaker 7: in the Jets this year, still do because that defense.
Speaker 7: But I just thought Aaron might be the icing on
Speaker 7: the cake that could get you guys to the next level.
Speaker 7: Obviously you probably have to wait till next year for that.
Speaker 7: I don't know, he might be superhuman. I don't know
Speaker 7: he come back. I mean, it hats off, but I
Speaker 7: just you know, especially the way it's kind of been
Speaker 7: behind under center, you know, from a protection standpoint and
Speaker 7: that sort of thing, like if he's gonna come back
Speaker 7: this year, it'd be a miracle first off, and then
Speaker 7: on top of that, you'd have to go really navigate
Speaker 7: the pocket well with whatever you're dealing with. So I
Speaker 7: just think it's one of those things, whether it's Zach
Speaker 7: or whether at some point you're mixing somebody else in,
Speaker 7: you got to ride with what you got and you
Speaker 7: got to think about next year. But he can't creep
Speaker 7: into people's heads.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: It's like, that's gonna be awesome when he does come back.
Speaker 7: But right now, we got to win with this group,
Speaker 7: you know, and those two things could be true. You
Speaker 7: can make a run with this group, and then when
Speaker 7: Aaron walks back in the door man in, it's go time,
Speaker 7: because I think he's still got it. A lot of
Speaker 7: people are down on his play at the end of
Speaker 7: the road there in Green Bay. But I see the
Speaker 7: ball come off his hands. I mean it looks a
Speaker 7: lot different than I watched every game every Sunday. I
Speaker 7: don't see the ball coming off a lot of guy's
Speaker 7: hands like I like, even with Aaron, and even at
Speaker 7: the end of his running Green Bay. So I'm excited
Speaker 7: to see him get back if that's if that's what
Speaker 7: he's going to do, whether it's uh, you know, Super
Speaker 7: Bowl or next year.
Speaker 1: I want to speak to you quickly about Joe Douglas.
Speaker 1: He's the guy that you have a relationship with personally
Speaker 1: from a professional perspective, what do you think about the
Speaker 1: way he's attacked this roster, and also give us some
Speaker 1: insight what it was like for you as a player
Speaker 1: working with Joe behind the scenes.
Speaker 7: Well, first off, I owed Joe a whole lot.
Speaker 5: I absolutely love the dude.
Speaker 7: He when I was done in New England and I,
Speaker 7: you know, like, I decided I want to walk and
Speaker 7: be a free agent, which most people when you walk
Speaker 7: out of New England, they're like, something's wrong with you?
Speaker 5: And no, I wasn't that.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to play finish my career in a
Speaker 7: system that was more suited to do what I was doing.
Speaker 7: Because I was trying to come back from two years
Speaker 7: of ir getting cut in Saint Louis. You know, I
Speaker 7: wanted to I wanted to finish my my career looking
Speaker 7: like me at some point.
Speaker 5: You know, that was just an uphill battle for a
Speaker 5: couple of years.
Speaker 7: And and to come off of New England, I'm playing
Speaker 7: in a three technique, I'm playing right end up there.
Speaker 5: It just was awkward.
Speaker 7: I wasn't proud of that tape as as much as
Speaker 7: honestly I was with my Philly tape and and I
Speaker 7: and I and I really appreciate Joe for giving me
Speaker 7: the opportunity to put that on tape, you know, and Howie.
Speaker 5: Howie and I talked and stuff, But it.
Speaker 7: Was Joe that that like kind of cleared that deal.
Speaker 7: Because Ian Cunningham was in Chicago right now, was one
Speaker 7: of my teammates in college.
Speaker 5: He's up there with Bryan Poles.
Speaker 7: But I called Ian actually and I was like, hey,
Speaker 7: you guys, think you'd have room for like an older guy,
Speaker 7: And he was like, let me running up the flagpole
Speaker 7: with Joe. And Joe was like, hell yeah, that'd be awesome,
Speaker 7: and they made it happen. So I really appreciate Joe.
Speaker 7: It's not for Joe. My life's totally different right now.
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, when it comes to how
Speaker 7: he operates in the building, he's not one of those
Speaker 7: guys that when you see him walking down the hall,
Speaker 7: you're like, oh, Joe's here, you know, the GM's here,
Speaker 7: or the guy from upstairs is here. Like he's a
Speaker 7: football player, you know, he played ball. He could still
Speaker 7: probably play ball. I see him I see him out there.
Speaker 7: I mean he looks like he could. He could probably
Speaker 7: pancake me, you know, get up on the second level
Speaker 7: and get the safety Joseph Beast, so we identify with him.
Speaker 7: He treats us like, you know, we're equals. You know,
Speaker 7: it's a tough business. He's got to cut guys. He
Speaker 7: used to be the grim Reaper in Baltimore when they
Speaker 7: first had hard knocks back. There was guy's playbooks before
Speaker 7: they were coming to get iPads. But Joe is like
Speaker 7: he does it with grace. I mean, he really is
Speaker 7: a class act and cares about all the players that
Speaker 7: he drafts, that he acquires and the ones that he
Speaker 7: has to cut and trade. And I think that's why
Speaker 7: guys love Joe, and I obviously likes the big guys,
Speaker 7: likes the lineman. I think the Philly year, he had
Speaker 7: a lot to do with that, bringing in Lagarrett, him
Speaker 7: and Howie working Magic, Legarrett, Patrick Robinson. I think he
Speaker 7: values Vets, you know myself, Tory Smith and investing in
Speaker 7: that D line because that literally was how we won
Speaker 7: that Super Bowl. Well, the offense is pretty darn good.
Speaker 7: It's not like we did. We held Tom Brady down
Speaker 7: it was forty one thirty three, but there were a
Speaker 7: lot of games we won because we were deep up
Speaker 7: front on both sides of the ball. And I think
Speaker 7: he wants to build a team the same way, and
Speaker 7: you can see it coming to fruition with the D line.
Speaker 7: Now we just got to get the other side of
Speaker 7: the ball going.
Speaker 1: Hey, Chris, really appreciate your time today. Know you're busy
Speaker 1: being a dad. Also the green Light podcast. I know
Speaker 1: you've done tremendous things with water Boys throughout the year.
Speaker 1: I mean over the years, I mean just incredible as
Speaker 1: far as using your platform to help other people. So man,
Speaker 1: keep it up because I don't know how you have
Speaker 1: that kind of time in your day, but you've always
Speaker 1: done a great job.
Speaker 5: I'm trying, man. You know I don't sleep a lot,
Speaker 5: so I'm up watching. I'm up watching the Cardinals at
Speaker 5: two am last night. What am I doing? I'm addicted
Speaker 5: to football. You guys. Good luck the rest of the way.