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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.

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Speaker 1: It's another almost famous in depth podcast. My wonderful co

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Speaker 1: host Ashley I Ken Eddie is sitting on the mic

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Speaker 1: is well, I think you know what. COVID has kept

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Speaker 1: us apart for too long. Actually it's been a very

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Speaker 1: long time. But you know what's great. We have this

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Speaker 1: thing down pat for when you go back on tour.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be so good. Actually, this isn't in depth

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Speaker 1: and I want to sit the mood a little bit here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting right now in Denver, Colorado. There is a

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Speaker 1: storm outside, a beautiful storm that we don't get very often,

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Speaker 1: so it's thundering. I'm feeling very what I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say. It's like very kind of like cozy and

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Speaker 1: like just kind of like not melancholy, but just very

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Speaker 1: relaxed because this is the place I want to be

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Speaker 1: right now, Like I really want to be here and

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Speaker 1: on this podcast with you. So I poured myself a

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Speaker 1: glass of wine. I'm drinking a stole Pan or Stolpman

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Speaker 1: Vineyards Savanne Blanc chilled two thou eighteen, which was a

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Speaker 1: great year, vintage two thousand eighteen, Ashley, you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: get yourself a glass of wine in a second, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And I know our guest on this week's In Depth

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Speaker 1: is enjoying a glass of wine as well. Before I

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Speaker 1: mentioned her name, I want to introduce her really quick

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Speaker 1: to all of us. Ashley and I are honored, absolutely

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Speaker 1: honored to be talking with somebody who has been the

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Speaker 1: conversation of a lot of people over the last week.

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Speaker 1: She is courageous and uh she is a trendsetter. She

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Speaker 1: is the host of the mouthing Off podcast on CBS Radio.

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Speaker 1: She was also a participant on the twentieth season of

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Speaker 1: The Bachelor. Let me say that was a great season.

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Speaker 1: Uh um, Olivia Creedy, Welcome to the In Depth Podcast

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Speaker 1: with Ashley Cheers. I also love us saving on blanc.

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Speaker 1: That's what I have to always must be chilled. So

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Speaker 1: it feels like we should just like pour our favorite

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Speaker 1: glass of one or your favorite drink if you're if

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Speaker 1: you don't drink alcoholic beverages, or you're under the age

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Speaker 1: of twenty one, put yourself I guess sparkling water. Uh. Back,

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna hang out and talk everything, Olivia, which

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Speaker 1: is going to be really fantastic. Okay, here, where should

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Speaker 1: we begin. We're gonna begin where we usually do, and

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Speaker 1: that is that you're the beginning of your childhood. Tell

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Speaker 1: us where you were born and about all the most

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Speaker 1: important members of your immediate family. Yeah. So I was

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Speaker 1: born in New York City, in Manhattan, but my parents

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Speaker 1: She was like, I can't live here anymore. I plus

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Speaker 1: time when obviously it was done, and our conversation felt

426
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: a lot longer then others. And then when I left you,

427
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the girls were pissed at me because

428
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, we weren't allowed to to

429
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: enter your conversation, and I was like, oh, I'm really sorry.

430
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. I had no idea about that. So that's

431
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: kind of when I was like, okay, And then of

432
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: course the conversation went great. So that was also the

433
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: other thing, you know, So I don't know that might

434
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: have been too much. I don't know, I'm sorry. How

435
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: easy was the conversation with Olivia night one? Because of

436
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: thinking of all of your girls and how many great

437
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: ones there are as far as conversations go, like, I

438
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: don't know that it ever gets better than Olivia well,

439
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: I think that's I think, well, I think that's the

440
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: difference is Night one is, and it's I think it

441
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: is important for everybody to understand, like there is an excitement,

442
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: there's a ton of nerves, and not just from the

443
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: Bachelor and the girls, Like there's what two people almost

444
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: that work on this show. There's a lot of nerves

445
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: hoping that Night one actually like goes well from anybody

446
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: that works in the show. So it's like very an

447
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: anxious evening. And when you have somebody like Olivia, who

448
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: is beautiful and inconfident and good on camera, who sits

449
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: down and like almost like um calms the storm of

450
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: the anxiousness for everybody, it's automatically going to go better.

451
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: Like it just does, because it's not hard on night

452
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: one to be a standout, especially because everybody's freaking out

453
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: and Olivia just didn't. They're panicked out and she just didn't.

454
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: It's true, it was bad. And I have a follow

455
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: up question for you, and it's a little awkward you

456
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: answer in front of Olivia when it comes to the

457
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: first impression, Rose, was it one your decision full hardly

458
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: to give it to Olivia. Did you have some like

459
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: external not pressures, but like influencing that, like she would

460
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: be the best one to choose for that. Well, I

461
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: remember how it goes down and you go back in

462
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: this little room and they said, who do you want

463
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: to get? The first impression Rose too, And it's so

464
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: hard to understand, but like not again night one. There's

465
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: what thirty women, some of which you've had a few

466
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: a few minutes to talk to, like you don't remember everybody,

467
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: and it's a whirlwind of conversation. And so what you

468
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: do is you go through and you pick out like

469
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: maybe four or five of the women that stood out

470
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: to you, and you go through the conversation you had

471
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: and you go, Okay, I talked about this with this girl,

472
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: and this is how I felt with this girl, and hey,

473
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: this girl gave me a kiss right away. Like you

474
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: just go through everything that you can and then you

475
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: go like these you also have to consider this And

476
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: what maybe others didn't but I did, was the first

477
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: impression Rose is like a weight, like it is a

478
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: target and it is also a weight, and who can

479
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: handle it? Like who could? Who could take the target?

480
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: And go I'll walk through this confidently knowing that people

481
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: are gonna like, I am the one that people are

482
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 1: gonna kind of be after right away. And so then

483
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: I decided Olivia because she was that confident that she

484
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: was that calm president. She she did stand out, and

485
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: so was this is an a good obvious choice. I

486
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember being pressured. I just remember it being

487
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: a conversation and it made complete sense to pick Olivia.

488
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, Olivia, That's that's good. The good point Olivia.

489
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: The first impression rose on the twenties season of The Bachelor. Uh.

490
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: She ended up going on to be uh kind of

491
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: the favorite for weeks, which as we watched last week

492
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: on the recap, Olivia, what happened during that time of

493
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: you kind of having the target on your back is

494
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: as you wanted more time with me, the women got

495
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: more resentful towards you. Yeah, did you ever feel that happening?

496
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Or again, were you blinded to that? Okay? I mean yeah,

497
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: I yeah, No, I I felt the resentment. It still

498
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: felt like super peaceful in the house though, Like I

499
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: never remember a certain point where like it was uncomfortable

500
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: living together slash people were like, oh, everything's fine, it's

501
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: no big deal. So it's did I feel things were

502
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: weird at times? Yes, did I feel like of course,

503
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: when Jamie uh said, hey, the girls are talking about you.

504
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: They're talking about your toes or whatever, that was certainly

505
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: a pivotal moment where I was like, oh, yeah, people

506
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: are talking about me when I'm not around and so,

507
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: but of course at that point I was like, I'm

508
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: not even gonna say anything. I didn't say anything about

509
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: any of that. I didn't approach anyone. I just was like,

510
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: why not, okay, because it, I mean, I don't know

511
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: what's the what am I supposed to say? Who talked

512
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: about my toes? Like no, I don't really care that much.

513
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: So and of course I it's like, I come back here, sorry,

514
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Jamie says, people are talking about your toes. They're talking

515
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: about this and that and the other about you. And

516
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: it kind of pissed me off, to be honest, because

517
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is that? How stupid is that?

518
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: So I went back and I just was walking back

519
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: to everyone with just nonchalant whatever is going on? And

520
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: everyone was just like, hay, Olivia, what's up? And that's

521
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: when I was like, what is this? Like I like,

522
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: just say you don't like my toes or say you

523
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: don't like this, or say you don't like that, but

524
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: don't like pretend everything's fine. Like I don't know, I

525
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: just I was I was having a really hard time

526
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: like towing the line of like what to do in

527
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of situations. So yeah, watching Ben

528
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: season back last Monday, I was like, this girl, they're

529
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: not showing this girl, Olivia, my friend, doing anything villainous.

530
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: The only thing that you were doing was in your

531
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: I t M s being a little cocky. You know,

532
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: you're feeling yourself, you're calling yourself Mrs Higgins. It was

533
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: like it was fun I mean it was cocky at

534
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: the worst, do you know what I mean? But it

535
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: was also like funny because I feel like you and

536
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: I have a similar sense of human I was just

537
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: trying to have a good time. Let's like do this thing.

538
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: You know. I was there for one reason only, like

539
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: and that was to see if this could work. And

540
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: like totally, Ben, I was like, this stuff isn't like

541
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: material to villainize somebody. Was there anything else going on

542
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: that we didn't see? Like was it seriously just you

543
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: being maybe a little bit cocky and the other girls

544
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: being jealous and threatened because you were such an early

545
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: front runner. Oh my god. I mean I definitely, I

546
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: definitely knew people were talking about me, and so for

547
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: me as a person in that moment, I tend to retreat, right, So,

548
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: like I just spent a lot of time by myself

549
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to piss people off anymore than

550
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: they already were. So I just spent a lot of

551
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: time in my room, a lot of time. Like when

552
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: some airport we were at, I bought like six books

553
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: and I just read them all, like I just yeah,

554
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: I just was like I don't want to piss people off,

555
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: and it just is super awkward in here. And I

556
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: would try to extend myself occasionally, like I would go

557
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: into rooms and it would just be very like I

558
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: don't really want her to be in here, so I

559
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: would leave. And then uh, um, of course the night

560
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: with Amanda with the whole teen mom thing that really

561
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: like that really uh can I cuss on here? Um

562
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: checked up for sure? Yeah that far, but yes, you

563
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: can still see that. I mean, oh, sorry, it was

564
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: it was it really missed. It really messed things up,

565
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: and it was that was a horribly painful night for me,

566
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: not to say, like, oh, but just because I felt

567
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: terrible that night. That was a horrible night. But that's

568
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: like to say that that was the real reason they

569
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: started villainizing you. It's like everybody makes mistakes, and one

570
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: comment that you word poorly, you can't pull it against

571
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: you forever. I mean, gosh, I don't know. I definitely

572
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: word vomited. I mean there was this one time. I

573
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: remember I had already had a rose one week and

574
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: there was a cocktail party and I said, hey, I'm

575
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna grab Ben really quick, just say hey,

576
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds and then I'm done, Like everyone else, I'm

577
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: not going to interrupt anyone done. And I think it

578
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: came off as like I've had him, so everyone else

579
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: have fun. That it came off really poorly, But that

580
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: certainly was not I just wanted to make people feel

581
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: confident because everyone was so annoyed that I was talking

582
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: to him that I just was. I was like, hey,

583
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, guys go, I'm gonna sit back like I

584
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: won't interrupt anyone. But certainly that sounded really pretty crappy

585
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: on my part. So it's not to say I didn't

586
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: do anything. I mean I certainly did stuff. Yeah, Ben,

587
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: when did this start showing to you? Well, that's yeah,

588
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say, is it's interesting

589
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: to walk back through this because you know, from my perspective,

590
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: you have the night one, uh, first impression Rose Winner,

591
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: and then there's that excitement around her for me going

592
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: into week one and the first dates and and then

593
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: like I was, I mean, honestly, I was kind of

594
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: blinded to any of this even up through uh, really

595
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: up through l A into our first travel experience because

596
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: in l A, uh there was a lot of group

597
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: dates and there's a lot of people, and I never

598
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: even recognized that Olivia was not like, for lack of

599
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: a better term, like disliked in the house. I remember

600
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: it really hit me. Um in Las Vegas, which I

601
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: think was our first stop on the travel was there

602
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: was questions because I could see Olivia being off to

603
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: the distance. Uh. All the other girls were hugging and

604
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: like excited, and Olivia was kind of off to the side.

605
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: And so then I started asking around, like to mostly

606
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: produce rs and to some of the girls, is like,

607
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: what's going on, And a lot of producers just say, hey,

608
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: like there's some issues in the house. You're gonna have

609
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: to find out for yourself. And so I started asking questions,

610
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: and it felt like the more and more asked questions,

611
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: some girls didn't want to say anything, but there wasn't

612
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of support there. It finally came to

613
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: a head, really and that's why I want to sit

614
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: for a second in Mexico City, where Uh, I had

615
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: the sense you had voice to me that things were

616
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: getting hard. I had noticed that. I had definitely at

617
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: that point understood that you were maybe not the most

618
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: liked in the house, but I didn't know if I

619
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: had a problem with that. I just think it was

620
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: unfortunate and given the circumstances, making this really hard on everybody.

621
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: And and that's where I think the biggest amount of

622
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: controversy with you came from is the comments made to Amanda,

623
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: which the twins doubled down on. We'll talk about the

624
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: twins here in a little bit, because they came to

625
00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: the podcast last week spoke about you. Um Uh, Olivia.

626
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: I want I want to first off, clarify what you

627
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: meant by your comments to Amanda, and next then I

628
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: want to talk about how that made you feel, knowing

629
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: at that moment things were. I mean, I think every

630
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I think you and I both agree like you and

631
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: I both knew that things were falling down around us

632
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: and you on this experience at that point. Well, so,

633
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: without getting too far into Amanda's situation with her ex

634
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: husband and their kids, uh, in that moment, she before

635
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: that had been talking about how this there was a

636
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: strain with their kind of custody relationship and that it

637
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: was difficult at times. And at that point, right, like

638
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: everyone had kind of doubled off in like a friend situation, right,

639
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: and Becca had actually pulled me aside in Mexico City

640
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: And this never aired, but Becca Tilly said, hey, live

641
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: like I feel like you're feeling super alone in here

642
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: and ostracized, and I want you to know that like

643
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: I do love you and care about you, and I'm

644
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry that you feel this way. Right, It

645
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: never aired, but like there was support in there where

646
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: that she was like, we want you to want to

647
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: hang out with us, and I know you feel really

648
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: awkward at times, but like we want you, we embrace you.

649
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: And so that was when I was starting to feel

650
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: a little bit more confident, like, oh well, maybe I

651
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: can like pipe in and say something and so I'm

652
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: a dog for TV. Amanda's talking about custody situations. I

653
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: love the show Teen Mom, so I was literally just

654
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: trying to be like, oh, this reminds me of some

655
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: of those storylines, and Teen Mom were like, the custody

656
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: situations are difficult. I have no clue why I said that,

657
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: and I think I can see it on my face

658
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: where the minute I said it, I was like, it

659
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: wasn't like I sat there being like I had. There

660
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: was nothing about it that was like you had a

661
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: baby when you were a kid. Like I had a

662
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: conversation with her at the pool. I knew how old

663
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: she was when she had her first child, Like I meant,

664
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: no malice, And the minute I said it, I ran

665
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: off camera and I hugged her and I was like,

666
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm so very sorry, like that came out so wrong.

667
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: She said it's all good, no problem, and I actually

668
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: went off, and I remember, if I had talked to

669
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: you already been But I came back on the couch

670
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: and I heard people kind of about it, so I

671
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: just said, hey, guys, like, can we talk about this,

672
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: Like I think things are weird. Lauren Amanda and I

673
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: ended up having like a thirty minute conversation and I

674
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: was like crying and I was so sorry. But at

675
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: that point I knew it was over, like I had

676
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: it was like why why? Why did you know? What? What?

677
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: What about it made it feel like it was over

678
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: because it was just like I had finally done the

679
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: horrible thing that I did. Yeah, and then I feel

680
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: like you started self sabotaging yourself. I was like, this

681
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: girl isn't a villain to the other girls right now?

682
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: Those girls a villain to herself because I just couldn't

683
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: help yourself with Ben, you just like you had so

684
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: much anxiety. I feel like you let me know how

685
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: it was inside that you just were like I need

686
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: to heal this. I need to heal this. But you

687
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: were just losing. It's a really hard position to be

688
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: in when you really, you really liked someone for a

689
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: long time, and it annoys people that like they you

690
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: like him and that he likes you, like I remember

691
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: that this this the date after the first impression, was

692
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: where I got the rose again. Ben had said, hey, Olivia,

693
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: can we talk at the cocktail party? And we were

694
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: gone for like a considerable amount of time. I had

695
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: no idea where we were going how long we were

696
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: going to be gone? And I get back and Emily

697
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: looks at her her watch on her hand, and she's like,

698
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: you were gone for forty five minutes. And I was like, oh,

699
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry. I you know, I didn't ask to talk.

700
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: So it was like it was just things that I

701
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: was doing, like existing, pissed people off a lot, and

702
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: so then it just never got better. And then once

703
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: I did the teen mom thing, I was absolutely done

704
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: for Like, yeah, it was like coming back. Yeah, it

705
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: was all leading up to that moment. It felt like

706
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: it for me even yeah, And it was like it's

707
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: really hard when you know, I hadn't gotten a date

708
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: with Ben, right, so it's like you only get a

709
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: few minutes here and there. I'm feeling like I'm having

710
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: to like defend myself, but I don't even have time

711
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: to really like talk about anything other than like defending myself.

712
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: And I'm also like, how can I even do that

713
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: when there's clearly like a momentum shift here. There was

714
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: just at that point, I was self destructing in myself.

715
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk to anyone because I was

716
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: just like I was begging to go home. Honestly, at

717
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: that point I just was like, please send me home,

718
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: like I can't do this anymore. Like it just was awful.

719
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: So actually it's interesting to even look back on and

720
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: you would ask me this question, and Olivia, I don't

721
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: know if you felt this way at all, but looking

722
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: back on this, right, when you see the arc of

723
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: our relationship where it starts out really good things, it

724
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: good things continue to be good, and then we go

725
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: to Vegas and obviously we have the infamous like cake incident,

726
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: which really didn't disrupt the relationship at all. It was

727
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: more like a funny like you know, I think you

728
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: would probably actually or anybody out there listening, would watch

729
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: your significant other do something that's like pretty funny and

730
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: you would just like feel for them with them and

731
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: like laugh it off. But that got emotional, right, There

732
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: was emotion added to that, and Olivia was embarrassed. And

733
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: then we move on and there are things said and

734
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: there was isolation, and it felt like every week. Olivia

735
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: was never the villain in my eyes, it just felt

736
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: like another unfortunate circumstance that surrounded Olivia that brought upon

737
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: almost just like a lack of of joy. I guess

738
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: on my end because every time I would know of

739
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: here Olivia's name, it would not be associated with like

740
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: positive things. It would mostly be about struggle of some kind.

741
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: And so from my side, that's how I was doing this,

742
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: Like I said, all coming to ahead of Mexico City,

743
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: where uh really felt like everything that was felt in

744
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: a sense was reinforced, even though that the statement made

745
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: was a mistake, as Olivia said, Uh, but not intentionally harmful. Now, Olivia,

746
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: before we continue on with this conversation, obviously the twins

747
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: had doubled down on you to um to definitely make

748
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: this experience harder for you. And I'm not saying that

749
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: because I feel that way, even though a lot of

750
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: people did they felt that way as well. In fact,

751
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: last week we had him on the podcast, A live

752
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: podcast we did, uh let's hear from them, uh play

753
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: some audio about them speaking about you. We're totally so

754
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: sorry about all of that, and me and Haley did

755
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: not mean any of the stuff we said and looking

756
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: back on it as like a mature adult, it was

757
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: completely uncalled for and just just big fat a holes. Yeah,

758
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: just a little brat, just trying to get fifteen minutes

759
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: of fame. Just trying to like just totally so awful.

760
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: So if she's watching this or ever sees, we're sorry

761
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: and would love to talk to her on the phone

762
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: if she'd want to, I mean if I don't think

763
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: she would ever want to, I know, And you know,

764
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: it's weird that we've never even had like a text

765
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: conversation or a phone conversation four years later to even

766
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: say sorry. And I guess that might be our fault

767
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: because we've never even reached out. But I just don't

768
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: think she would want I don't know if she'd want

769
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: to hear from us. So the Twins. I had no

770
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: problem with the twins in the house at all, Like

771
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: I were we best friends, No, but nothing like zero.

772
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: So when I watched the show and I see them,

773
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, holding a knife and saying they want to

774
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: kill me, and that I wanted they make or I

775
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: make them want to throw up and they hate my

776
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: breath and my boobs and this and that and the other. Uh,

777
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: that was incredibly painful to watch because that I had

778
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: no clue that that was happening. There was one point

779
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: where someone came to me and said one of the

780
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: producers was trying to convince the twins to put a

781
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: bunch of mints on your bed, but that they said, oh,

782
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't want to do that, which like, oh,

783
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: bless them for drawing the line. At some point, okay,

784
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: so we get to women tell all they are just

785
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: going in on me, and I said, I'm sorry, you know,

786
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry for everything. And I remember Leah Block

787
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: distinctly saying well, what about what you guys said about Olivia,

788
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: and Emily just coming back with, well, that's besides the point.

789
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: So up until that point they still didn't think that

790
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: anything they had done was wrong in my eyes? Would

791
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: you agree? I don't know. So then no, all the

792
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: time in the world goes by. A couple of years later,

793
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: this was maybe a year ago, someone obviously was watching

794
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: Ben's show on Hulu or whatever, and they tweet me

795
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: and the Twins and they said something to the effect

796
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know why everyone hated Olivia, because like,

797
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: look how mean X and X were to Olivia. And

798
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: I might have liked it or commented, I have no idea.

799
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: But Emily specifically came back and said, oh is she

800
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: still bitter about all of this? So there's time too

801
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: where it's very clear they still don't feel like they

802
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: did anything wrong. Then all this time passes, still this

803
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: new show with Ben comes around. They do a podcast which,

804
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: sorry I didn't listen, so I didn't hear what they

805
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: had to say. But I had never heard about it

806
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: until Monday night when Ben's show was airing, and my

807
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: Instagram is exploding and I'm like, what the hell is

808
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: going on? And I see that Emily had followed me

809
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: on Instagram and then commented on my post publicly saying like,

810
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't make things easy for you. I

811
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: was just young, I was an asshole, YadA YadA, And

812
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: I honestly a screenshot at it, and I sent it

813
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: to my friends and I was like, are you kidding me?

814
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Right now? Like are you serious? And then ten minutes

815
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: later I get a text from her saying something similar,

816
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: saying I'm really sorry. I would love to talk to

817
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: you if you're open to it. I answered her back

818
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, look, I appreciate this message. I

819
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: would love to talk to you, But the more I

820
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: think about it, the more it just it doesn't feel

821
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: right to me. Um, it just doesn't. I really do

822
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: think that if this show had never come on, they

823
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: would have never apologized, and I fully believe that, and

824
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: so already it feels kind of weird to me. Um.

825
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: But then to wait till, like the night of the

826
00:46:53,880 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: show when everyone's looking at Instagram, I don't out. I

827
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: might just be jaded. Ah, I don't know. Well, yeah,

828
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: and okay, let's talk about that then, because I do

829
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 1: want to come back to the Emily and Haley uh conversation.

830
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: But in order to make that make sense, we have

831
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: to talk about you and how hurt you've been for

832
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: the last four years. Because we've talked about the show,

833
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: We've talked about your experience on the show. Just to

834
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: recap it, um, Olivia, one of the most iconic exits

835
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: of all time. At the end of The Bachelor, Uh,

836
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: the jerk of a bachelor left you on an island

837
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: all alone as he speed it off into the windy ocean. Um,

838
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: just to get wind blown and and frostbite. Uh. But

839
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: that was your exit, and that's the last we really

840
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: sold you up until the Men or the Women Tell All,

841
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: which wasn't easy for you at all. And a lot

842
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: of that had to do with the twins, and the

843
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: twins kind of coming at you, and so let's pause

844
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: there and go into your life in the last four years.

845
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: And this is the me of the podcast that I'm

846
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: intrigued by, and I think our listeners are going to

847
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: be intrigued by. Olivia. There's a reason why it's not

848
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: easy for you to forgive Emily and Haley right now. Yeah,

849
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: And there's a reason we haven't heard from you, as

850
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison said in for years. Why. I mean, I

851
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: think it's it's a combination of many things. I think

852
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: filming Women' tall all was super disappointing to me because

853
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: I was prepared for I don't want to get emotional.

854
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be an in depth podcast if one of

855
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: us didn't cry, So everybody sorry. Um, I was prepared

856
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: to be attacked, and I knew it was coming, and

857
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: it just seemed like there was like a point where

858
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: it was like okay, go like go in, and it

859
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: just kept coming, and it kept coming, and they were

860
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: making all these faces like any time I tried to

861
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: say I'm sorry, they would like roll their eyes, and

862
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: I just felt like I was getting nowhere. And I

863
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: was also like, I don't even know why you're so

864
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: angry at me because I don't even remember like having

865
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: that many conversations with you, to be honest, like I

866
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: don't remember ever doing anything to you. And so as

867
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: I said to Ashley, that point where they're just saying

868
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: every single thing that I did wrong, and Leah Block says, well,

869
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: what about what you said about Olivia? And they said,

870
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: that's besides the point, like that what happened to me

871
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: didn't hurt me. That was when I was like, I'm

872
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: done with this interview, like want to I just want

873
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: to go home. I didn't even go to the party

874
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: after Women Tall, It just went home. Um. So I

875
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: had this theory. I have this theory I wrote about

876
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: my Cosmo article this week. I think there wasn't a

877
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: natural villain in Ben's season, and I feel like they

878
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: had to find someone to sort of villainize. And I

879
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: think that the twins were probably used as a channel

880
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: of creating a villain because they knew that they would

881
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: kind of say anything about anyone I agree with. I

882
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: don't even think they really cared about me that much.

883
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: I think that they just agreed to everything that was

884
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: asked of them. My I guess my my gripe with

885
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: them is that um, you know, especially theres they're reasoning

886
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: now is like, well, I was young, and I was stupid,

887
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: and I was looking for my fifteen minutes of fame.

888
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: And it's like, so you basically are saying that you're

889
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: like validating what you did to me by saying like,

890
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: I was young and stupid and just looking to be famous.

891
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: So I was like, I wanted to be famous, So

892
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: I had no problem just burying you. Well, yeah, because

893
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: and it sucks. That's because the truth of it all is,

894
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: for the last four years you felt buried like this,

895
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: this has this was not a past like for some

896
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: that come on the show. Our villains naturally I talked

897
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot like you have. They have a little narcissism

898
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: in them, maybe a lot. Uh. They don't admit that

899
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: they're wrong. They don't believe that they're wrong. They can't

900
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: even see that they've ever even been close to being wrong.

901
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: For you, you knew you were wrong at times, but

902
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: you also we're open enough to feel the comments, the

903
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: concerns and the criticism. And so for four years you've

904
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: sat with your family like, how I guess this how

905
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: often Olivia is the show something you think about in

906
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: your life? The last four years. Oh god, I mean honestly,

907
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean it comes up in my mind like on

908
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: a weekly basis, if not because like someone you know

909
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: says something to me, or like someone says, oh yeah,

910
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: my friend was asking if you're as crazy as you

911
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: really look. Like it's just it's like when someone googles

912
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: you and it's like ugly, right, Like I have this

913
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: on my mind all the time when I'm applying for

914
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: jobs and like googling me is like awful, or like,

915
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: you know, I work at Delta and people recognize me

916
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: and they say, like, well, like what was wrong with you?

917
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Like it just like it runs into my everyday experience

918
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: and I've done my best to like forget about it,

919
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: but like I have this distinct recollection of like my

920
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: mom took me to a doctor after this show because

921
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: she was like, they're talking about your breath, Like I

922
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: think we should take you to a doctor. That is

923
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: so sad. How does it? I feel like I'm just

924
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: asking the same question over and over, but it's it's

925
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: the only one that makes sense right now, Like how

926
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: do how does this stuff make you feel? It's just

927
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: it's maddening that that people can just hurt other people

928
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: with like no remorse and like I didn't do everything right,

929
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: but I it just killed me to hear them behave

930
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: and say things that showed that they did not feel

931
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: bad at all. And now it's just conveniently coming around

932
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: again and so they get to say, we feel bad

933
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: and we're older now and we were just assholes back then.

934
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: I was an asshole on the show, and like, I

935
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: don't make excuses for that. I have. I have apologized

936
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: a jillion times for that. I don't rest my laurels

937
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: on that, you know, And so yeah, I don't know.

938
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: It's just if they were to have apologized somewhere in

939
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: the midst of this before the re airing, you would

940
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: have accepted as more genuine. Yeah. I found it to

941
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: be really bizarre that it happened like as the show

942
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: was airing and I was like getting attention, and yeah,

943
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: but what about us, I mean to my, I mean,

944
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: so like my, I guess the only comment would be

945
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: would be like the moment that I wanted to do

946
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: this with you, for you in the moment, it really

947
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: I mean, and I and I've told you this even

948
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: off uh privately on the phone. Is like I never

949
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: realized how hard it was for you, like I've I've

950
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: I guess like and that's in my immaturity of mine,

951
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: like naiveness was I never realized just how difficult this

952
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: was for you for the last four years, and so

953
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: your criticism of them could probably be the same for me.

954
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: Yes and no, because you didn't sit there and say, like,

955
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: how can I make fun of this girl and make

956
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: her into a villain just so I can be famous?

957
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: You know, you didn't ever go out of your way

958
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: to hurt me and um, and you know we we

959
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: did have like moments where we saw each other occasionally

960
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: over the years and you just said, like, how are you? Like,

961
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything except for them tweeting me a

962
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: couple of years later saying is she's still bitter about

963
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: all of this. So it's like there's a difference between

964
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: like saying a couple of things, like there's people who

965
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: said things on the show about me that you know,

966
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: we talked about it afterwards. Amanda and I have had

967
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: multiple grown adult conversations about what I said. We've had

968
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: multiple conversations and how do you guys stand today? I

969
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: know that it was fired up again last summer when

970
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: her book was about to come out. Yeah, I mean

971
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: the book. The book was hard, just because I was like,

972
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: at that point we had already kind of I thought

973
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: like buried the hatchet and so I was like, oh, wait,

974
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: this is coming around again. That's kind of you know whatever.

975
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: But but we have had multiple conversations and like we're

976
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: friends now. Like you can have conversations with people and

977
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: approached people and say yo, I was wrong and she says, yeah,

978
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you felt that way, and we could like

979
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: become friends and life is good and I don't have

980
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: any hard feelings towards you. And it's like there's been

981
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: times where you know, I felt like I needed to

982
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: apologize to someone and yeah, maybe I'm like I don't

983
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: know how to approach them, and maybe they won't receive it.

984
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: Well you still do it. You find a way if

985
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: you really want to. So bringing up to date is about,

986
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. A month ago, Olivia. I got a

987
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: text UM saying, hey, we're thinking about bringing Olivia on

988
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: the show. Um, she's super nervous about this. What do

989
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: you think? And I said, well, let me call her.

990
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: So we we just to give anybody some background here

991
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: Olivia and I spoke on the phone, um, just kind

992
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: of about what this could look like, not in terms

993
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: of anything more than you going on the show, like, hey,

994
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: should you Your question to me was can I trust them?

995
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: And my response was, yeah, you can ust them because

996
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to see you get buried again.

997
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that does anything for the show. I

998
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: don't think it does anything for their souls, for their life, Like,

999
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: I just don't see that ever being a good thing

1000
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: here for them, right so after, Okay, so let's pause

1001
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: here because during this conversation you had mentioned to me

1002
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: that your sister and your mother definitely weren't in support

1003
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: of you going on No, especially my sister, she's very anti.

1004
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: I had to convince them to basically let me do

1005
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: it at some point. So just because they didn't trust

1006
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: the show or they were mad at the show. My

1007
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: my sister hates the show, hates the show. You have

1008
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: a lot of distrust against the show. And I think

1009
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: it's not just because of what happened on ben season,

1010
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: but what wasn't there some paradise. It's just stuff, you know,

1011
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: flying me out to l A, which I probably would

1012
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: have never done a show as it was because I

1013
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: didn't really feel like I can just go back on

1014
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: camera again, but it's like and just ghosting and then

1015
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: like texting later, Like it's just all these things of

1016
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: like I can't. I hate not being able to trust people,

1017
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: and so it just drives me crazy that like I

1018
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: there's just no trust and this this whole thing was

1019
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: initiated as like let's try to like build that back,

1020
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: but it's like it's very difficult. And so that was

1021
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: like Ben was the one person to me who was like, yeah,

1022
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: he's involved in this, but I do feel like he

1023
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: at least kind of understands why I might be hesitant

1024
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,959
Speaker 1: about it, and so I, you know, I just had

1025
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: to be like can I do that? And I called

1026
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: several I called Ashley Spivey because she I mean Charlene.

1027
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: I called Charlene and I just was like, guys, am

1028
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: I insane for doing this? Like is this crazy? And

1029
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: it was really it was a terribly difficult decision to

1030
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: make because I just didn't want it again. I don't

1031
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: want that again. Was anybody discouraging you besides your family? No,

1032
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: everyone was like I feel like if this footage is

1033
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: going to air again, and I've said this, like, you

1034
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: don't want that to be the last anyone sees of you,

1035
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: Like you're so well spoken and you're so different now

1036
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: that at least like, please show up, even if even

1037
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: if it looks terrible again, show up, because I do

1038
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: think that Women Tell All was one of my better

1039
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: episodes because it was just like me talking normally, and

1040
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: so I just I had to put my faith in

1041
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: them one more time and it was like the hardest

1042
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. I was shaking. My hands were

1043
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: shaking the whole time. I was like breathing, like before

1044
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: Chris came on to film it, Like it just was

1045
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: It's just not it's not natural for me because as

1046
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: I said, like I don't want can't. I don't want

1047
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: this like this isn't like yeah, I'm back on the show,

1048
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: and that's not why I did this. So it's just

1049
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: like why did you do it? Then? Why did you say? Yes? Um?

1050
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean mostly because I as as I said, like,

1051
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take ownership of all of this always, and

1052
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: so if you're going to air this stuff again, I'm

1053
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: going to own it again. If you do it again,

1054
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: in three years, I'll do it again, Like I'm not

1055
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: going to be the person who just looks like an

1056
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: ass and then just like doesn't at least respond to it.

1057
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm gonna do. That's what I'm not

1058
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: afraid of is taking ownership of what was shown. So

1059
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: Jubilee was somebody who did deny the request. She did

1060
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: not come on the show even though they wanted her to.

1061
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: And I just before we close up this chapter, I

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: just kind of want to reiterate, you are probably the

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01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: old only quote villain that um in real life. When

1064
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: you meet you, you're just totally completely different. Most of

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01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: the other quote villains have an ego or have like

1066
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you would make of it.

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01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't even know how you describe it now a

1068
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: lot of words. Okay, I was gonna say, like most

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01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: of the villains actually don't even mind that they're kind

1070
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: of villainized, jealous of them. Honestly, I wish I had

1071
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: that attitude. I wish. And then you meet you in

1072
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: real life and you're just like, okay, wait, something didn't

1073
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: make sense here, Like she was made out to be

1074
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: something that she just wasn't, and it's really unfair. You're

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: one of the very few exceptions that I find that

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01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: your edit was completely unfair. I mean, as I've said,

1077
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: did I behave like crummy at times? Did I have

1078
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: foot in mouth syndrome? Yeah, the same hell yeah. But

1079
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: I it was never my intention. I did not go

1080
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: into that saying how can I make a splash like that?

1081
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh you and I stopped a couple

1082
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: of times. I did, but like we did own it,

1083
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: and I feel like we were self aware of it,

1084
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, moments after it happened. But you know, they

1085
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: have the footage. I'm sure. I'm like, damn it, they

1086
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: got footage of that. It's over. Really just say that,

1087
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: and I am, I dang it. Yea, yeah, I mean

1088
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: that's that's my only thing would be. I don't know

1089
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: if your edit was so wrong as much it was

1090
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: just highlighting the wrong things, like you know, like you

1091
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: said what you said, You've owned that, you did, what

1092
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: you've done, the differences your highlight reel was not was

1093
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: not showing much of the romantic side, the sweet side,

1094
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: the sensitive side, And that's really I mean, Olivia, And

1095
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: here is where it all kind of came back last week.

1096
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: And so for you, those of you who watched The

1097
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: Bachelor goat. Last week, Bachelor twenty was highlighted Olivia came

1098
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: on with an interview with Chris Harrison, and after speaking

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01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: with Olivia, I felt and and this is probably my

1100
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: own issue, I felt control less because I was giving

1101
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 1: you advice that I didn't really know it's true, like, hey,

1102
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: I trust that they want to make this right with you.

1103
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: If they're telling you that, I don't think they're going

1104
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: to try to ruin you. And so the idea was

1105
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: how can I help and how can I get control?

1106
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: And it really was at that point after talking to you,

1107
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: I went inside. I was in Indiana at the time,

1108
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: and I talked to my family and my fiance, and

1109
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: I said, this girl is still hurting four years later,

1110
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: like my only and I mean this, I don't claim

1111
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: to have done this thing perfectly. And I know some

1112
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: would argue that, like I know there's but like I didn't,

1113
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: and you know that, and everybody knows that that's listening

1114
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: to this The different is My only request was that

1115
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: when people came on the show, they would be glad

1116
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: they did it. I got the heartbreak still might happen,

1117
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: Like I got that people might leave broken hearted. Or

1118
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: I got the people might leave not even caring if

1119
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: they were broken hearted. I understood that part. But my

1120
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: only request, my only hope, my only prayer, if you will,

1121
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: was that people would leave going. I'm glad I did it.

1122
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: And Olivia was the only person that, now four years later,

1123
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: I can look at and hear from and realize that

1124
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's glad she did it. I

1125
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: don't know either, and I'm sorry about that, like I

1126
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: still am. And I said it on TV no, and like,

1127
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: this is just a moment again, and I didn't get

1128
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: to fully explain this on television, but it is a

1129
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: moment where it's like, it is sad, it does hurt.

1130
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: You signed up for this, you gave it your best shot.

1131
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: You're a good human, You're absolutely beautiful, and it brought

1132
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: me so much joy last week seeing your name trending

1133
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: on Twitter with like insanely positive things following you, like

1134
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: only positive things. I was shocked. I don't know what

1135
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: it's like to have people like watch me and like

1136
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: me so that it was so insane and bizarre, and

1137
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is this really happening. I've honestly

1138
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: been in shock for like days, because I mean, oh,

1139
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: people like me. It's whoa, this is weird. Oh my god,

1140
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's going on because

1141
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: they because they didn't edit your interview with Harrison and

1142
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: it was just you and you know, Ben made it

1143
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: made you feel better going into it, being like, I

1144
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: do trust that it's going to turn out good for

1145
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: you this time. Do you have I have to ask

1146
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: for the sake of the audience, Do you have a

1147
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: more you have a bigger trust in the show for

1148
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: maybe making you look more yourself if you were to

1149
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: ever do it again, Like, is there any inkling of

1150
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: Olivia that would be open to doing Paradise? Tell us here, Okay,

1151
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: this is not me being cocky. I would only be

1152
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: the bachelorette. I would never do Paradise. And so why

1153
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: Ashley is convinced and this Actuley is convinced me that

1154
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: Paradise is a really good thing. And I didn't think

1155
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: so either three years ago when I started this podcast

1156
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: with her. After three years, I see the benefit of

1157
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: it completely romantically, Uh, in terms of freedom, all those things.

1158
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: So many villainous characters have gone to Paradise and become

1159
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: so beloved, but also vice versa. But you barely ever

1160
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: see somebody double down now they never you never could?

1161
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: But okay, sorry, why not, guys, I would never Okay,

1162
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: I will say, like night Wane of Bencas in first

1163
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: two weeks E been season, I was totally myself. Now,

1164
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: whether that translated well or not, I'm not sure. But

1165
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could ever be that Olivia

1166
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: on camera ever again. Like, I don't know if I

1167
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: could just go into it and not be like, ah,

1168
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: that cameras watching me, like what are they going to film?

1169
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: You know? Like that. I don't know if I could

1170
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: ever be like that again? Are you completely honest? My

1171
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: concern is that for you as well, I think you'd

1172
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: almost be too paranoid and too careful that you would

1173
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: either be boring or like or I don't, I don't know,

1174
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,959
Speaker 1: you'd probably be boring because actually, if you have that concern,

1175
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: that's why I shouldn't do it. I'm still shipping. The

1176
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: idea of Olivia to Paradise is that the right word shipping.

1177
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: Shipping usually people's ship with like another person, But you

1178
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: can ship with Paradise. That's okay, you'll have to tell

1179
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: me beforehand again and like try to like talk me over,

1180
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, through this thing, because look, I don't know,

1181
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, the good news is I don't

1182
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: think a Paradise season will film for another twelve months.

1183
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: I think you will be considered, but we could have

1184
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: many talks before then. All right, should we transition to

1185
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: the fun part of our podcast? You have more things

1186
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: to say? You had to close out here with Olivia Creedy. Uh,

1187
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: we love you, Olivia. We're gonna move on to some

1188
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: fun stuff. It was courageous of you, It was big

1189
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: of you. I'm glad as a friend you did it. Um.

1190
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 1: I know we have a lot of mutual friends. Brandy

1191
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: Cyrus being one of those who has always loved you,

1192
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: supported you, cared for you, um, and just lifted you

1193
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: up in every conversation I've ever been with her and UM,

1194
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: and so we have at you know, yeah, she's somebody

1195
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: think here. But anyways, I want to close this part

1196
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: with reading, um your Instagram caption and and then we

1197
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 1: can go to commercial break. Uh. This is from Olivia.

1198
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: When I got a call that season twenty a batchelord

1199
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 1: bearing again, I was terrified. For the past four years,

1200
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: I've been battering and forgiving myself, bettering and forgiving myself,

1201
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: improving my mental health and kayaking home from the island.

1202
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: That's good. The last thing I wanted was to regress

1203
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: having said that I'll never let this footage air and

1204
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: not take ownership. I would hate for that to be

1205
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: the last anyone sees of me, because I'm far from

1206
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: the person I was then. By doing this, I feel

1207
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: so much lighter, like I really can let go, stop

1208
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: hiding from the world and focus on what's meant for me.

1209
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: You're going to fall flat on your face sometimes, and

1210
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: that's okay. You're not defined by your past. You can

1211
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: pick yourself up again, and you're not alone. It's brave

1212
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: to ask for help if you need it, no matter

1213
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: what happens tonight, I love you all, and I'll go

1214
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: through all the crumb again just to connect with all

1215
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: of you. Embrace your growth that comes from all the

1216
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: lessons and experiences. Sign the girl who still has the

1217
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: largest mouth maybe every that's Olivia Creedy. Oh lovely, We'll

1218
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: be back with Olivia Creedy here on the Almost Famous

1219
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: in Death podcast. All right here, Olivia, this is the

1220
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: most fun of the podcast that we have. We appreciate

1221
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: you so far, Ashley, Uh, take it away. Okay, first off,

1222
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: we want you to talk about your podcast. I think

1223
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: you are a pioneer in bachelor podcast and I love

1224
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: the shameless plug that you had on Monday night. You

1225
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: said like I started my mouthing off podcast, and even

1226
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison like had a little giggle there. He was like,

1227
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: she's going, we're gonna give you that. I love the

1228
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: fact I think that you started a podcast because you're like, Wow,

1229
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: people really didn't get to know the real meats the show.

1230
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: So this is a way of me taking my passion

1231
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: of journalism and storytelling and interviewing and adding in my

1232
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: own personalities. People will get to know me as well.

1233
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: So tell us how you came up with the idea

1234
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 1: and what people can't expect they listen. Yeah, so the

1235
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: podcast came about a year out of the show, so

1236
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm I'm a little better now,

1237
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: let's find a way to to change people's opinion of me.

1238
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,480
Speaker 1: I knew that my following would be small but mighty,

1239
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: but I was like, how can I claim the mouth?

1240
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: And so I did a photo shoot with my My

1241
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: jaw was like locked the whole time. But I just

1242
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: was like my mouth was wide open. And then from

1243
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: the get go, I was like, I have to interview

1244
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: reality stars and get to the meat of who they

1245
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: are and what was going on, because I know what

1246
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: it's like to feel like you weren't fully like in it,

1247
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And so I I bring

1248
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: on a lot of Bachelor villains because I just want

1249
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: them to have an opportunity to talk the way that

1250
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: I kind of didn't. Um, But I bring on people

1251
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: from every reality show, so it's it's not just Bachelor people,

1252
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: it's people from everything because I watch a lot of TV.

1253
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: But it's like very interview style. It's not really that conversational.

1254
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: This is me like putting my degree to practice and

1255
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: like really getting to the meat of humans. And um, yeah,

1256
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: so I just did it this week. It's fun. It

1257
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: was it's it's um, it's fun. It's definitely a good

1258
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: opportunity if if you've watched someone on TV and been like,

1259
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I liked that person, you should

1260
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: listen to them on my podcast because you might you

1261
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: still might not like them, and you still might hate them,

1262
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: but at least they tried or tell us what you're

1263
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: doing for Delta too because you have multiple jobs. Yeah,

1264
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: I have a few. I am obsessed with traveling, so

1265
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: I was spending a lot of money traveling, so I

1266
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: was like, how can I travel for free? So I

1267
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: work at Delta. I'm actually unfortunately retiring though, because of

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Speaker 1: COVID and travel numbers and airlines are really struggling right now.

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Speaker 1: But it has been the most fun place that I

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Speaker 1: have ever worked. I work in the sky club, so

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01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: like a little bit more bouge. It's wonderful. Delta one,

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Speaker 1: Delta one, I get to fly sometimes I plan it

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01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: out very particularly so the life of a stand by flyer.

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01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: If I want to fly somewhere, I look and I

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01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: see when I can get into the front of the

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01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: plane because I want to lay down. I want to

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: lay flat. What's next? Then, if you're if you're done

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01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: with Delta, what are you gonna do? I want to

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Speaker 1: go get my masters, so Paradise, you know, I really

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01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: my number one is n y U. That's my goal.

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01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: That's where I wanted to go to undergrad and it

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: didn't work. So I'm like, let's make it happen for

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01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: graduate school. Um, but I'm applying to a bunch of schools.

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Speaker 1: I really want to go back to the classroom. It's

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01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: going to be fun, hopefully. What do you want to study?

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01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: Do you want to continue journalism? No, I want to

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: do marketing. So it's like, it's crazy. I realized, like

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01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,480
Speaker 1: over the last four years, I've basically like rebranded myself

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01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: and like marketed my podcast, and I was like, I

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01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,799
Speaker 1: want to do this for a career. So yeah, anyway,

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01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: I find in the brain they're very closely related to

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: marketing and advertising as totally. Okay, you are you ready

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01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: for our speed round? Yeah, this is our favorite part.

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01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: I love this part. Okay, here we go, all right.

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: I try to taylor the questions a little bit towards

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01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: the person. Okay, food you're obsessed with for your big mouth,

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Speaker 1: French fries. Food you despise of seafood? Oh, seafood. Really

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01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: it stinks. Delta tricks that we should implement into our

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01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:17,879
Speaker 1: travel bookings. Oh my um, don't buy basic economy tickets.

1300
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: They suck. Don't do it even if they're cheaper by

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01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: the main cabin because when you want to make changes,

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01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: you can And also like go up to the person

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01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: at the counter who looks cool if you want like

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01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: a free bag or something, because I'm one of those people. Sure,

1305
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: totally have it. I don't really care. Yeah, amazing, Yeah,

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01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: what is the guilty what's your guilty pleasure artist or

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01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: song on your iTunes or Spotify. Selene Dion, I wanted

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01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: to see her when we went to Vegas. We never did.

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01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: It pissed me off, Selene Dion, You shouldn't even feel

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Speaker 1: guilty about that, girl, and I don't. I didn't think

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Speaker 1: you did Titanic all day. Oh yeah, reality show that

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Speaker 1: is underrated and you think people need to give a try?

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Speaker 1: Is it underrated? Fiance? Okay No, I don't even know

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01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: if it's underrated, but I do think that it's gaining

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01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: speed with me. It is icon Nick, It is so good.

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Speaker 1: I want to be on it. Please my worst nightmare?

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01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: Um okay, last question for me, and then I'm going

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01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: to have Ben asked one speed round question because he

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01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: never does. Your favorite place in the world that you've

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: traveled and the place in the world that you think

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Speaker 1: has is overrated favorite Iceland, overrated Paris? Okay, all right,

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01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: I have my question. What is your favorite outfit that

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01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: you wore on our season of the Bachelor. Okay, I

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01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 1: have to um the my first night dress obviously it

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01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: was great. And then I love I really love that

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Speaker 1: swimsuit that I was wearing when I got dumped. Yeah,

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01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: so this is this is my final lightning around question.

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Speaker 1: How did you get home from the island. My my

1329
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: sister was pissed that I said it was a tug

1330
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: boat on my podcast because she says it was more

1331
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: like a kayak. Like I was like, I had an

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01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 1: oar and I was just rowing and I was cold,

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01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: and it took me hours. We weren't close to land,

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: like we were pretty far out there. No, it was

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: like this. It was a little motor boat, like a

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01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: little fishing boat and the engine was like right, and

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01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: that nice. I got home five hours later. Nice, and

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Speaker 1: this podcast on a good laugh. That's right, You're awesome. Loved,

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01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: I I really do. Actually I both almost famous family.

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: I know, Um, because of the responses last week. Just

1341
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 1: just want to see these next four years be a

1342
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: bright light for you. Keep us updated on things. Um,

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01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: you are some I'm just really glad, Like I'm so

1344
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: pumped that you had your moment um during the recap,

1345
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: Like this is just the coolest thing. To celebrate alongside

1346
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: of you and with you, And what a story you

1347
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: have to tell. Hey, your loved Olivia, You're celebrated. That's

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Speaker 1: Olivia Creedy on the Almost Famous In Depth podcast Olivia.

1349
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: We do this every time, so just follow our lead here.

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01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 1: I'll start with that. Everybody out there listening, Olivia Creedy

1351
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: is one of the most iconic members of Bachelor Nation,

1352
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: somebody we haven't heard from in four years, but we

1353
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 1: are hearing from again and the best and brightest ways.

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: She has somebody to be celebrated, somebody to love on,

1355
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: somebody to make up for all the wrongs that we've

1356
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: put her through for the last four years. Um, this

1357
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: was a podcast that was long needed and I'm glad

1358
01:19:55,439 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: it came with that. Uh. I've been Ben, Yeah, I've

1359
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: been Ashley, and I've been Olivia CREDI. We'll talk to

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01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: you soon, everybody by follow the Benn and Ashley I

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever

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01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts.