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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, just the two

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Speaker 1: of us again. Fine, so the Lone Wolves, the pack

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Speaker 1: of the Lone Wolves. I'm just trying new stuff here. Yeah. Wolverines,

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Speaker 1: Yeah in Colorado blows my mind. Yeah. Where do you

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Speaker 1: think it was? Again? Michigan? Right, and all the mountain Rangers.

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Speaker 1: I just thought I hadn't been far enough north in

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Speaker 1: Michigan before, despite growing up an hour south of it.

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Speaker 1: I saw a little bit of the old Red Dawn

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Speaker 1: again the other night. How did you stop it ended? Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's all the end I saw from like Powers booth

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Speaker 1: on Okay. When he entered the picture, yeah, which I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: if you think about it, he did need to be there.

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Speaker 1: But his introduction was great. It was wonderful. I think

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Speaker 1: he played a vital role. I think they could have

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Speaker 1: done fine without him. He's a little creepy with the

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Speaker 1: young ladies, though with Leah Thompson he was sick. He

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Speaker 1: got what he deserved. I still haven't seen the remake,

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Speaker 1: No need, Nope, So Chuck, Yes, I have another question

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Speaker 1: about something you've seen. Have you ever seen the Great

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Speaker 1: Wall of China? Not in person? Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: something else. Have you ever seen the ten thousand lie

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Speaker 1: long Wall. I don't know what you speak. That's the

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Speaker 1: Great Wall of China, I'm just kidding. Also called the

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Speaker 1: long Wall of ten thousand Lee. It's another way to

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Speaker 1: put it l I. And that is a unit of

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Speaker 1: measurement in China. Apparently it's about one click. Yeah, no too,

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Speaker 1: two clicks, two clicks. This doesn't here. One kilometer now,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm sorry to Lee, being is equivalent to

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Speaker 1: one kilometer. I'm sorry you did one click? To Lee, man,

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Speaker 1: this thing. The wheels are falling off already, right. The

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Speaker 1: Western hemisphere is generally the folks who say the Great

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Speaker 1: Wall of China, right, And so if it's the ten

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Speaker 1: thousand Lee long Wall, and to Lee is one click,

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Speaker 1: then that means that it's the five thousand kilometer long Wall,

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Speaker 1: is what they would call it in China. And that's

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Speaker 1: actually way off. There was a very long time that

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Speaker 1: people thought that the Great Wall was maybe between kilometers

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Speaker 1: to sixty kilometers. I believe was the high end somewhere

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Speaker 1: in there. And um all over them app really Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And finally, at one point in two thousand seven, China said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna take this seriously, after nearly

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Speaker 1: two thousand years, We're going to go measure this bag.

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Speaker 1: Who's got some rope? Yeah. Luckily by then GPS had

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Speaker 1: been developed and they used that a lot. But they

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Speaker 1: did they did a modern survey of the Great Wall,

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Speaker 1: and they found that it was not a five thousand,

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Speaker 1: five thousand kilometer long wall. No, they found Chuck, how

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Speaker 1: long was it? Over thirteen thousand miles? Over twenty one clicks?

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of clicks. That is a very long wall,

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Speaker 1: and it depends on who you ask, Like, that is

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Speaker 1: the ultimate length of the entire wall if you take

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Speaker 1: into account every bit of construction phase that was ever

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Speaker 1: generally means pre Ming dynasty and post Ming dynasty. Preming

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Speaker 1: And about fourteen hundred little less were natural barreas right,

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Speaker 1: and it goes through some rough terrain. And we should

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Speaker 1: mention stick around through this one. Because the wonderful Christen

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Speaker 1: the Great Wall, not the whole thing, very small portion

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Speaker 1: So it was kind of surprising to everybody that, um,

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Speaker 1: It looked at it as a kind of a relic

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Speaker 1: call a paucity of scholarship. There is not one single

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Speaker 1: the whole planet hard to believe, it really is. In

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Speaker 1: the author of this article, brick Larmer Lamour, one of

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Speaker 1: It's one of the seven New Seven Wonders, right. Um.

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Speaker 1: You can see it from outer space clear as day now,

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Speaker 1: and it just it deserves scholarship. But it really it

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Speaker 1: wasn't until the early two thousands that China actually it

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Speaker 1: Zeen Japing, the the chairman who came after Mao Um

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Speaker 1: said we need to preserve this well. And I think

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Speaker 1: they repaired it with bathroom tiles. None the most authentic

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Speaker 1: but it does display a complete in a lot of cases,

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Speaker 1: know who made that up? Robert Ripley. Oh really, yep,

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Speaker 1: like he just completely fabricated. The Great Wall of China

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Speaker 1: It sounds like such a great little fact. Though it's great,

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Speaker 1: it's like a total Ripley, believe it or not a

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Speaker 1: what Robert Ripley I think he actually said, you can

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Speaker 1: So from lower Earth orbit you can see the Great

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Speaker 1: But you can also see the pyramids too, so big whoop. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know what I was just thinking. I was

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Speaker 1: say believe it. He said believe it or don't you know?

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Speaker 1: Up to you good point chuck uh. And then lastly,

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Speaker 1: And even before him, there were these walls in these

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Speaker 1: exposed to check this out. Ravers your God, I thought

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00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: I was an old man back then, didn't it crazy?

426
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: Yeah in two thousand, that was fifteen years ago, it

427
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: was like thirty. Yeah, that's not I can I'm here

428
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: to tell you, Like if I went to a rave today,

429
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: people would they would call security? Yeah exactly, Uh where

430
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: were we? Oh? Yeah. The erosion of the wall, there's

431
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: a lot of estimates, but um, I've seen everything from

432
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: a third of it to half of it is gone. Yeah,

433
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: and um, it's it's probably hard to tell because the

434
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: same reason it's hard to measure. It's just so big. Yeah,

435
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of it it's like, well, is that

436
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: river part of it? Do we count that? Who knows? Um?

437
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is in big trouble and there are

438
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: some parts of it that are gone forever. Um. In

439
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: addition to tourists and raves and people driving cars and

440
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: driving their cattle across the um wall, construction companies will

441
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: build roads right through it, yeah, or just a big

442
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: factory or something right upon it. Yeah. So finally China

443
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: said uh. And again it was Danjo Ping. Who I

444
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: love that guy's name. It's a wonderful name. Um. He said, Uh,

445
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: I love China preserved the wall. He came up with

446
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: a slogan. I think you got to start with the slogan.

447
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: It really Yeah, slogans worked. This is proof positive of it.

448
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: And within fifteen twenty years, the Chinese government, well I

449
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: guess provincial governments were starting to enact their own laws

450
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: restricting what you could or couldn't do on the wall

451
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: with the wall to the wall right. And then finally,

452
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: and I think two thousand eight ish maybe two thousand seven, um,

453
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: the Chinese government, the federal government itself, said Um, okay,

454
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna come up with our own walls or our

455
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: own laws regarding the wall, and they started to take

456
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: it seriously. And um part depending on who you talk to,

457
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: it is because it's a huge tourist attraction that brings

458
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: in ten million people and all their money every year.

459
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Gotta protect that, or because it's part of China's heritage

460
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: and it shows like we're an ancient culture that could

461
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: do this with our eyes closed. Just watch us in

462
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: the century Chinese fever catch it, right, you know that

463
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: kind of Well? How about it's both probably probably, but

464
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: there are some real laws in place. UM now it

465
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: is uh illegal to take any bricks um or to

466
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: do things like build too close to it. I think

467
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: within any building within sixt feet five um is not

468
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: allowed anymore. I don't think um gathering firewood hurting your animals.

469
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: So here's so I have to stop. Do you have

470
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: any idea what's what's the gathering firewood thing? Is that

471
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: chopping down a tree? I don't know. I couldn't find

472
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: that anywhere like why they're in, I could not find

473
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: it anywhere else. So it has to just be chopping

474
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: down a tree that leads to erosion. That's the only

475
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: thing I can come up with that that I didn't know.

476
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: If you come across something, no, I just keep saying

477
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: it taking firewood, don't do it near the wall. Gathering firewood,

478
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: and that like a quaint, folasy thing to think about.

479
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: Gathering firewood. That's the first thing you do when you

480
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: go camping. Yeah, gathering firewood. And um, it's almost like

481
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: it sounds beautiful too, like cellar door gathering firewood. Agreed,

482
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: it is very relaxing unless you're in a survival situation

483
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: then you're that's a matter of life or exactly. But

484
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: the laws are punishable, um institutions up to sixty two thousand,

485
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: five dollars for individuals six thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars.

486
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: See what they did there, huh. But apparently from the

487
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: Smithsonian article they said that these laws are great, but

488
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: it's just really hard to enforce this. Again, because the

489
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Great Wall is so huge, you can get away with

490
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: doing a lot to it without anyone around to see you.

491
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: But I would imagine in the metropolitan areas it's a

492
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: little easier to enforce. Like some yokel from from Kansas

493
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: taking some bricks. Yeah, you know, they take bricks everywhere.

494
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: They go Kansas's Kansans Kansanian nights. Yeah, Kansanian nights. Uh,

495
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: let's see. You want to get Kristen Congreen here is promised. Yeah,

496
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: I got no more facts, so I don't need that.

497
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: It's a great idea. UM. I do want to shout

498
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: out again to this awesome Smithsonian article from way back

499
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. The Great Wall of China

500
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: is under siege by Brooke Larmer. Um, go check it out,

501
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: uh and hold tight and we'll go get Conger. All right,

502
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: as promised, we have congs Kristen Konger from Stuff Mom

503
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: Never told You, and she has, as I said in

504
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: the podcast, walked the Great Wall, but not all of it,

505
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: not all of it. A very small portion of the

506
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Great Wall of China. I have walked, so we we

507
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: learned recently that it's twenty thousand kilometers long. Did you

508
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: know that they like did a survey of it and

509
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: found it's way longer than they thought. Yeah, it's massive,

510
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: and it's stunning to climbate because since the geography is

511
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: so sparse around it, you really can just see it

512
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: snaking as far as that I can see. That's awesome.

513
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: What part did you go to the heart um outside

514
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: of Beijing. I think it's one of the main tourist

515
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: destination like entrance spaces for the Great Wall. Did you

516
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: take a brick or drive your car on it or

517
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: have go to rave? Because those are illegal? Now, I

518
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: mean I did all of those things. I didn't. Who

519
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: doesn't go to a rave on the Great Wall? Uh?

520
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: Now you didn't doing those things? Kid, I didn't know.

521
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was. I was struggling. So I went

522
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: in December and it was very, very cold. Um, so

523
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: there was the weather to deal with and also just

524
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: the sheer steepness of trying to to scale this thing.

525
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: It's not There were two ways we could go. To

526
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: the left was a more arduous path and to the

527
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: right was the little tourist friendlier path. And my fiance

528
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: and I were like, we're going to the left the

529
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: road not taken. Yes, So how do you actually this

530
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: is probably dumb question, how do you actually access it? Like?

531
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 1: Are there steps and entry points? I guess yeah. So

532
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: we pulled up to it was almost like a theme

533
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: park entrance, like they have a gate and a temple

534
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: there and you get like an admission ticket and then

535
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: they have bridges built to access the wall. So being

536
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: there when you finally saw it in person, what impressions

537
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: that you had of it before? We're just totally destroyed

538
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: or was it exactly like you thought it would be.

539
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: It was surreal being on it. I mean because I

540
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: think a lot of times you see the aerial photographs

541
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: of the Great Wall, so we have this bird's eye

542
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: perspective on it. But once you're on the wall, I

543
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: never considered how steep the stairs were, how um the

544
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: incline is also so steep. There were a couple of

545
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: times when climbing up, I was literally on my hands

546
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: and knees getting up. But I also have a terrible

547
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: fear of heights. Didn't know that would be an issue,

548
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: but it was. And you have winds kicking up because

549
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: you're kind of on the side of a mountain um

550
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: and then coming down having to kind of do the

551
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: butt scoot down a few airs. Wow, are you serious? Yeah?

552
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty fit not to brig How high up

553
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: were you, like at the highest point, Like if you

554
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: if you had fallen or jumped off the side, how

555
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: how far would you have dropped? I would have messed

556
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: myself up big time. When is that the scientific answer.

557
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: I can't tell you altitude or anything. So earlier too,

558
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: in the office, you were saying that they like pipe

559
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: music out and stuff like that. Yeah, so um. At

560
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: pretty regular intervals along the wall, they have these lookout

561
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: towers and I think some of which were actually housing

562
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: for people who were building the wall and guarding the wall.

563
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: And the Chinese government has now installed these lovely speakers

564
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: that pipe like traditional Chinese music along the wall, so

565
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: you you have a little soundtrack to guide you along

566
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: your way. Did it add to it or detract? It

567
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: added to it in a way because it was just

568
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: such a bizarre experience. And we were also surrounded by

569
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: so many other Chinese tourists as well, who were coming

570
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: to the wall for the very first time. So you're

571
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: sharing this experience with people you know, who you you know,

572
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: can't verbally communicate with, but you're all kind of taking

573
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: in this one site together. Can you believe this? Wow face?

574
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: We were all agog So um. Was the general impression

575
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: like this is the Dollywood of China? Or did it

576
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: seem like reverent in like people have died here and

577
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: that kind of vibe. It was reverent aside from all

578
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: the cigarette butts on the stairs. That was a funny thing.

579
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: There was an older gentleman who passed me as I

580
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: was in my crawling face smoking a smoke heading on

581
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: up um. So there was a little bit of trash,

582
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: but it was very clear that you needed to otherwise,

583
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: like respect the space. They were actually a couple in

584
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: my group who were huge sports fans, I want to say,

585
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: of the Seahawks, and they were in all of their

586
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: gear and they want to take a photo of them

587
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: with their Seahawks flag. That got shut down very quickly. Really,

588
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So have they have people there minding the activity?

589
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. If you're at a Chinese tourist attraction, people

590
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: are watching you. There is nothing wrong with Dollywood, by

591
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: the way, I want to put that on the record,

592
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: is a great place and conger something very special happened

593
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: to you on the Great Wall as well, correct aside

594
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: from scooting down on your on your fannie, aside from

595
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: an exotic fannie scoot yes, And to our English friends

596
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: here in America, that means but don't get all weird.

597
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Uh So what happened? Tell us about your other experience.

598
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: My fiance proposed to me so we climbed to the

599
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: very to the highest point we could, and we were

600
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: looking out this lovely guard dour I suppose, and the

601
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: music hadn't the music would play an interval, so we

602
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: were in kind of a quiet lall and I was

603
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: just like looking out and then I turned around and

604
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: he was on one knee, and at that moment, as

605
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: he was proposing, the music swelled yet again, and it

606
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: was amazing, and all of these Chinese stores were up

607
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: there freaking out like so many cell phone photos, and

608
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: the Seahawks people were like, yeah, just throwing footballs at us.

609
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: That is totally awesome. I imagine that a lot of

610
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: people get engaged on the probably a lot of people,

611
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: but I don't know anyone that's got engaged. I don't

612
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 1: think anyone but meat Chuck. He's a very exclusive experience.

613
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: And then one other thing you mentioned, you alluded to

614
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: somebody almost not coming down. Was that you or was

615
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: there somebody else who almost fell off? That was a

616
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: guy named Barry who was part of my tour group,

617
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: and he was very ambitious and determined to climb as

618
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: far as he could, but we had to leave at

619
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: a certain time and he got stuck for a little while,

620
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: and no one knew that Barry was going to make

621
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Speaker 1: it down. Then Barry was or heard from again. Berry

622
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: finally made it, but he had to take a cab.

623
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: It took him so long to get down. He had

624
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: to take a cab rather than the tour bus to

625
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: the lunch restaurant, but then just spent lunch complaining about

626
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: how much the cab costs. Barry strikes me as one

627
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: of these guys who would be like God's missed out. Man.

628
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: You didn't see what I saw, Bengo, Kristen, do you

629
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: have anything else to share? Go to China? It was amazing.

630
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm serious, Like, go to Beijing, see everything. It's incredible

631
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: and if you can get engaged on the Great Wall,

632
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: it's a good story. Nice Um. That is good advice

633
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: all around, Kristen. You tell everybody how to get in

634
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: touch with you with stuff. Mom never told you. Well,

635
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: you can simply head over to stuff. Mom never told

636
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,560
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