WEBVTT - Part One: The U.S. Border Patrol Is A Nightmare That Never Ends

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<v Speaker 1>M hm. You know, introducing a podcast is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like Megan Love. It's not it's not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. I'm Robert Evans failing to introduce my

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<v Speaker 1>podcast yet again. It's behind the bastards, it's about terrible people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry everyone. I was. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>open with my folksy wisdom, but I have none, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've got now I've botched the start of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Here to attempt to take away some of my shame

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<v Speaker 1>is Caitlin Duranti. Caitlin, how are you doing today? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm just barely keeping it together at any moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But otherwise, think of any similarities between introducing a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and making love? Well, let me think about that. Um oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have one at home? One, I have one, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The audio levels can go up until the audio levels

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<v Speaker 1>can go up and down. That's a good similarity, So

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<v Speaker 1>very much. Sure. Maybe an entire episode, not just introducing

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<v Speaker 1>an episode, but in an entire episode, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>could draw some parallels between because you've got you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like the intro is sort of like the four play,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you've got you know, usually a big climactic

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<v Speaker 1>finish to the episode. Well, there you go, everybody, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were we figured it out. You wanted to compare

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<v Speaker 1>a random episode of my podcast about bad people to

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<v Speaker 1>making love, Caitlyn Durranty has kind of made it easier maybe, Caitlin,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing today? All right? Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just you're in your closet recording and you're in

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<v Speaker 1>your closet. I'm looking at your luggage right now. Nice luggage.

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<v Speaker 1>I see you go with the hard shell. Thank you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a really nice closet. If I remember from

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<v Speaker 1>the photos you sent me like it's it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>good sized closet. It truly is. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to hear a little story about me, Caitlin

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<v Speaker 1>some an narcissist? Okay, So you know I travel a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to Caitlin, and I have refused my entire traveling

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<v Speaker 1>life to have like a hard shelled rolly suitcase, even

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<v Speaker 1>though they're much more comfortable to use at the airport

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<v Speaker 1>than a backpack, because as a young man with an

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<v Speaker 1>indestructible spine, I was like, only stupid old people use

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<v Speaker 1>the rollie backpacks. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>young adventurer forever and I just get to wear a backpack,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I just hurt myself every time I go

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<v Speaker 1>to the airport out of pride. And that's why men

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be allowed to hold political office. I couldn't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you more. Um, yeah, you mean you you carry

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<v Speaker 1>around one of those like big backpacking, big old, big

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<v Speaker 1>old backpacking backpack. Horrible, horrible. Sometimes they carry a Duffel

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<v Speaker 1>bag even worse. That's absurd. Yeah, it's terrible idea, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know it does tie in with the theme of

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode, because what do you do with What do

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<v Speaker 1>you do with backpacks and Rowley suitcases, Caitlin, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you bring them with you to travel, You bring them

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<v Speaker 1>with you to cross borders. Yeah, and today we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the motherfucking me grat the border patrol. Oh boy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a long journey to starting the episode this week,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we got there nicely. Yeah. Sorry to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who's been Um, you know, this has been a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a weird run of Behind the Bastards

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<v Speaker 1>the Uprising episodes. Uh, we're still going to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>the Dictators and grifters, you know, that are bread and butter.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, I keep getting obsessed with different law enforcement agencies,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the ones you know, shooting at me. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I started just kind of reading a bunch about

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<v Speaker 1>customs and border patrol this last week or so, and

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't stop, And so I wrote a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>them and how we're all going to talk about border

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<v Speaker 1>patrol because Caitlin, did you know the border patrol kind

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<v Speaker 1>of problematic. Wait a minute, what do you mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not nice dudes, as it turns out, Um, and have

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<v Speaker 1>kind of been dicks for like a hundred something years,

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<v Speaker 1>or like a hundred years. They've been dicks for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, very close to a hundred years. Six years,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, yeah, which you know, they still have time

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<v Speaker 1>to change. You know, a lot of people have their best,

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<v Speaker 1>their best, you know, their second act after age ninety six. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I would just say that applies to a large number

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<v Speaker 1>of people. A lot of tortoises, at least a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of tortoises go on to do very cool things after

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<v Speaker 1>age Yeah. Trees as well, there's a lot of old

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<v Speaker 1>trees that are border patrol could be like a sequoia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know how likely. I think that is.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna talk about We're gonna talk about Lamiger

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<v Speaker 1>today because they're terrible, and I don't think most people

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<v Speaker 1>know how terrible they are. And their terribility is important

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<v Speaker 1>because it is tighten with a lot of horrible things

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<v Speaker 1>about this country and the very concept of whiteness. So

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<v Speaker 1>how are you feeling about that, Caitlin? You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel good about it. I really don't. That's good

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<v Speaker 1>because my cunning plan has been to blame you personally

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<v Speaker 1>for all of the historical crimes of the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol. Well, I did invent them. You you you

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<v Speaker 1>launched the Immigration Act of nineteen twenty four. That's Caitlin Durantis.

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<v Speaker 1>That's resume. Yeah. I didn't want that to be my legacy,

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<v Speaker 1>but here we are. Yeah. A lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 1>know this, but you used to be all of Congress

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen twenties. Yeah. Yeah, I mean pretty

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<v Speaker 1>impressive when you think of yeah, no, it really is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress Durante, Yeah you were instead of Caitlin, you were

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<v Speaker 1>Congress Tournto. Just true. If we're gonna talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>border patrol, we've got to talk about the border. And

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<v Speaker 1>given that the territory we currently know as like Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico, Arizona, and even Mexico is all land that

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<v Speaker 1>was stolen from indigenous people. This is not like a

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<v Speaker 1>case where there's a lot of good guys to choose from.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're talking about like conflicts over the US Mexican border,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about like a bunch of different states that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sucked fighting each other for land that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>their Like that that that's the whole that's the whole deal, right, Um. So,

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<v Speaker 1>the US Mexican War of eighteen forty eight is the

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<v Speaker 1>conflict that gained our nation most of the modern Southwest. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a naked war of imperialist aggression against another

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<v Speaker 1>nation that brutally subjugated indigenous people's um. One can argue

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<v Speaker 1>that Mexico was like a broadly better country than the

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<v Speaker 1>US at this point since it didn't allow slavery, But

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<v Speaker 1>both countries not not great to anyone any like indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>peoples or whatever, just just just bad, bad, bad governments.

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<v Speaker 1>So the end of the West Mexican War, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States wound up occupying Mexico City, and that nation was

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<v Speaker 1>forced to seed fifty of its northern territory and the

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<v Speaker 1>resulting treaty, and I think a lot of Americans who

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<v Speaker 1>grew up kind of outside of the Southwest. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have a clear idea of how much land UM

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<v Speaker 1>the United States got as a result of the US

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican War, but we took a shipload of land from Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucking crazy how much of this country used to

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<v Speaker 1>be Mexico, like up into Oklahoma. Yeah. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a good gauge on that because I grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania and that just wasn't something that they bothered to

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<v Speaker 1>tell us in history class. Yeah, we went like most

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<v Speaker 1>of the Southwest was kind of, at one point or

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<v Speaker 1>another um part of Mexico. UM. And so, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>took about fifty of Mexico's northern territory, and a new

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<v Speaker 1>US Mexican border was redrawn along the Rio Grand from

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<v Speaker 1>um the Gulf to El Paso and then along more

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<v Speaker 1>or less an arbitrary line further west up the Pacific. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this meant that a huge number of people who had

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<v Speaker 1>previously lived in Mexico and had been able to travel

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<v Speaker 1>freely around territory that was all part of one nation

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<v Speaker 1>now found themselves living in between two nations. Uh. This

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<v Speaker 1>included roughly a hundred and eighty thousand members of indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>tribes as well as about a hundred and fifty thousand Mexicans.

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<v Speaker 1>So these three hundred thousandish non white folks owned most

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<v Speaker 1>of the land, and like the territories in the Southwest

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<v Speaker 1>that you know became Texas and some of the surrounding states, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and the decades after the US Mexican War are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of best viewed as a gradual process of white people

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<v Speaker 1>taking this land from non white people, some of it

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<v Speaker 1>through purchase, some of it through like violent threats and intimidation, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>some of it as a results of the reservation system

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<v Speaker 1>kicking indigenous people off of their ancestral land, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of it through just like good old you know, good old,

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<v Speaker 1>good old fashioned genocide, Caitlin, just like that, just like

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<v Speaker 1>really getting your boots in it, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the main principles that the US was founded on, right,

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<v Speaker 1>white people stealing end from non white people and genociding them.

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<v Speaker 1>You gosh darn right, Caitlin, your gosh darn right. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why when I get up in the I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of like a Folger's coffee commercial, you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>of those old ones who was like a cowboy getting

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<v Speaker 1>up on the range sipping a Folger's coffee and then

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<v Speaker 1>just like stepping into a pile of bones and just

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<v Speaker 1>being like, ah, nothing like a nice morning walking barethrop

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<v Speaker 1>through a pile of bones, the thing that I do

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<v Speaker 1>every day as a cowboy. Yeah. Why wasn't that their

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<v Speaker 1>ad campaign for Folgers, Well, murder everybody coffee helps. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>I was drinking coffee and it went down the wrong hole, Caitlin. See,

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<v Speaker 1>coffee can't be stopped from attempting genocide. Even coffee wants

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<v Speaker 1>to murder. A coffee wants nothing but to murder. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as we discussed in our last episod Zoe of the

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<v Speaker 1>Behind the Police mini series that we just did, the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Rangers was kind of the first border patrol type

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<v Speaker 1>force UH in you know, the southwest UH And they

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<v Speaker 1>began their history as a as a group like a

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<v Speaker 1>paramilitary organization to provide to protect white settlers in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>They were formed by a local mayor named John Jackson Tomlinson,

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<v Speaker 1>who was part of the old three hundred White families

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<v Speaker 1>who first settled in Texas with Stephen F. Austin. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a popular decision for these three hundred families

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<v Speaker 1>to settle in Texas, and the Comanches, Tangkawa's, Apaches, and

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<v Speaker 1>Karankawas who already resided in the area got kind of

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<v Speaker 1>angry and started murdering them. So Tomlinson ordered the formation

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<v Speaker 1>of a roving defensive patrol. This patrol became the Texas Rangers,

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<v Speaker 1>but Tumlinson never got to see it formed because he

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<v Speaker 1>was almost immediately killed by karen Kawa and huako In

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous people before he got off the ground. Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like karma to me. Yeah, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. Like a shame they didn't get more people.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Rangers were kind of this country first border

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<v Speaker 1>patrol force, and the primary method of action for them

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<v Speaker 1>was just again really just straight up genocide. In the

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<v Speaker 1>early days, they were like a paramilitary army. They acted

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<v Speaker 1>as scouts for actual militias. They would swoop in and

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<v Speaker 1>force Indigenous people out of their homes and under reservations,

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<v Speaker 1>but would also just burn their villages sometime and murder

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<v Speaker 1>their women and children. Because you know. Whatever do you

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you coming to the office and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do things different. Um, I don't know. Yeah. They also

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in the murder and intimidation of Mexicans and border communities,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the early nineteen hundreds of the indigenous folks

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<v Speaker 1>had mostly been forced off of their land, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Rangers have become a police force focused mainly on Mexicano

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<v Speaker 1>Mexicano communities on the border. The primary strategy was what's

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<v Speaker 1>known to historians as revenge by proxy. And for an

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<v Speaker 1>example of how that looked, I'm gonna quote from the

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<v Speaker 1>American Crossroads book Migra quote. On June's twelfth, nineteen o one,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mexicano rancher named Gregorio Cortez stood at the gate

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<v Speaker 1>of his home in Kirness County, Texas. There he was

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<v Speaker 1>us to arrest for a crime that he did not commit.

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<v Speaker 1>The sheriff persisted, drew his gun and shot Gregorio's brother

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<v Speaker 1>in the mouth. When he charged at the sheriff to

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<v Speaker 1>protect Gregorio, Gregorios shot back and killed the sheriff, an

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<v Speaker 1>act that was sure to bring the Texas Rangers to

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<v Speaker 1>his doorstep. When they came, Gregorio and his family including

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<v Speaker 1>his wounded brother, were gone. All that remained was the

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<v Speaker 1>dead body of the sheriff. The news of Gregorio's deadly

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<v Speaker 1>defiance quickly spread across southern Texas. UM and Yeah, for

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<v Speaker 1>ten days, the Texas Rangers and posse's numbering up to

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<v Speaker 1>three men hunted for him. When they could not find him,

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<v Speaker 1>they sought revenge by proxy, arresting, brutalizing, and murdering an

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<v Speaker 1>unknown number of Mexican yos. So that's like how the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Rangers kind of worked for a while. Is Hispanic

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<v Speaker 1>person commits a crime or a perceived crime, and if

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<v Speaker 1>they can't catch him to murder him publicly, they just

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<v Speaker 1>kill a bunch of other random Mexicans so that like

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<v Speaker 1>people don't get up at it. That's the that's the

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<v Speaker 1>first border patrol. Horrible, pretty bad, Caitlin, pretty bad. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it. I don't like it one bit. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>you are you are on them. You are on the

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<v Speaker 1>record now about not being in favor of murdering random

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<v Speaker 1>people um as part of a fear based a system

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<v Speaker 1>of law enforcement. Yes, and I am. I am happy

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the record. State it's a bold stance.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a bold stance to lose your Some advertisers, Caitlin especially,

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<v Speaker 1>are big advertiser Raytheon. When you really need a group

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<v Speaker 1>of people intimidated by violence, there's no other option but

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<v Speaker 1>Raytheon a robot ad brick. You're just doing. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a free that's a free one. Raytheon

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<v Speaker 1>just had to lay off a lot of employees, Sophie

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<v Speaker 1>and I for one to have a sense of loyalty.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm trying to help Raytheon out with some free ads.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, if you've got a couple of billion extra

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<v Speaker 1>dollars that you need to spend on missiles that are

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<v Speaker 1>filled with knives in order to assassinate, you know, insurgent

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<v Speaker 1>leaders in Yemen, Um, look, don't go to Lockheed Martin,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Raytheon. Okay there, it's just better knife missiles. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's all I'm gonna say. I have a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of loyalty. So for the first twenty years of the century,

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<v Speaker 1>the US Mexican border was policed by a mix of

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<v Speaker 1>Texas rangers and like local sheriffs. UH. Such enforcement was

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<v Speaker 1>always piecemeal, with hundreds of miles of borderland operating basically

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<v Speaker 1>autonomously as it had for generations. Like the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>we would police our border like didn't exist until pretty recently.

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<v Speaker 1>For most of American history, it was just like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got this big empty chunk of country and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes Mexico and it's nobody's nobody really gives a ship. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, all these communities had existed for forever, for

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of years in a lot of cases, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they had family who would be up in Mexico or

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<v Speaker 1>up in the United States, and it would have seemed like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have seemed like madness to try to, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to try to split these communities up based on an

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<v Speaker 1>arbitrary border line that nobody could even see. Um. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen twenties that started to change. In nine

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, the Immigration Act was passed and the Immigration

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<v Speaker 1>Act banned all immigration to the United States from Asia,

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<v Speaker 1>and it massively reduced immigration in from the Southern from

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<v Speaker 1>Southern and Eastern Europe. The goal of the Act was

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time to enshrine in law the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government's preference for Nordic whites above non white people when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to immigration. So basically set up a quota system. Ye. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>have you heard about this? This is when we decided

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<v Speaker 1>that only one kind of white people were allowed in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. Um, this is the Italians aren't white enough law.

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<v Speaker 1>But people used to really care about that right in

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<v Speaker 1>the Immigration Act. A big part of it was stopping

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<v Speaker 1>Italians or as they would have called them, Italians, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>which it used to be I think more racist than

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<v Speaker 1>it is and is now just a funny, old timy

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<v Speaker 1>way of making fun of Italians, which I'm always I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always in favor of Caitlin. How do you feel? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>You do know that my last name is Durante and

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<v Speaker 1>the Diana I partly Italian? Yeah, so am I that's

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<v Speaker 1>why it's okay? Good? All right? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Are

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<v Speaker 1>we are? Are we white? How's that? How's that work? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard slightly varying things, but I think by

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<v Speaker 1>and large Italian people are considered white. Yes. I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a Nazi cartoon the other day because I

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<v Speaker 1>do things like that for my mental health, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the point it was making is that like

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<v Speaker 1>social justice advocates are always white, uh, and fascists are

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<v Speaker 1>actually really diverse and so like it was a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of white people lecturing Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirahito. But but

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<v Speaker 1>because it was drawn by a fascist, they drew in

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<v Speaker 1>Mussolini as a black man because they don't think Italians

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<v Speaker 1>are white. So it's just like there were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of layers of wrongness there to pass through. It was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that looked very confusing to people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't immediately recognize, Oh, these are the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>racists who don't even think Italians count as white. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very funny. But in the nineteen twenties that was

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<v Speaker 1>all of Congress, sure, and they were like, we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>pass a lot to stop these Italians from coming in. Um. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Immigration Act in nineteen bands all Asian immigration and

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<v Speaker 1>tries to kind of restrict to only the right kind

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<v Speaker 1>of white people. And the one real exception to this

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<v Speaker 1>the only kind of like non white folks who were

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<v Speaker 1>allowed into the country under the Immigration Act without any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of um restriction, where we're Mexicans. Um. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is because of hardcore labor or lobbying by the agricultural industry, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because like basically you had all these ranchers and farmers

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas particularly and in the Southwest, who are like,

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<v Speaker 1>our entire industry doesn't work without these people, so you

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<v Speaker 1>have to let them in. UM. So the Act does

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<v Speaker 1>kind of make an exception for that. Um. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>heavily based on race science. And in fact, a big

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<v Speaker 1>factor in what got the Act passed was a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of bogus studies conducted by the Eugenics Research Office at

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<v Speaker 1>cold Spring Harbor that kind of provided intellectual justification for

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<v Speaker 1>the law by arguing that the wrong kind of immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>would leave the surges and violent crime and declines in

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<v Speaker 1>i Q. Um, No, this is bad. This is bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And the nineteen four Immigration Act is what establishes the

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<v Speaker 1>US Border Patrol for the very first time. So this,

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<v Speaker 1>this fundamentally racist law written by people who justified it

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<v Speaker 1>explicitly with race like like bad, race science is where

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<v Speaker 1>the border patrol is initially established. So literally born in

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<v Speaker 1>an orgy of racism. Uh. And in fact, the the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen Immigration Act that established the Border Patrol was so

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<v Speaker 1>nakedly racist that Adolf Hitler took inspiration from it. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen Yeah, it's bad, It's really bad, Caitlin. This

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<v Speaker 1>is where border patrol comes from. Oh yeah, it's not great.

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<v Speaker 1>Um in n Hitler wrote this of the law, there

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<v Speaker 1>is currently one state in which one can observe at

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<v Speaker 1>least a week beginnings of a better conception. This is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, not Germany, but the American Union. The American

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<v Speaker 1>Union Union categorically refuses the immigration if physically unhealthy elements

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<v Speaker 1>and simply excludes the immigration of certain races. So Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenties took a look at what we were

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<v Speaker 1>doing in the US and was like, I like the

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<v Speaker 1>looks of that. Let me be copy paste and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what happened. That's exactly what happened. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>And he wrote extensively about how inspired he was by

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<v Speaker 1>US immigration law, which was like the most racist in

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<v Speaker 1>the world at the time. Holy ship, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>know something else, cool, Caitlin, this is a neat story.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna love this. Please see the you know, El Paso,

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<v Speaker 1>great town, solid Tacos. A lot of immigration in Del

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<v Speaker 1>Paso right always has been because it's it's the pass right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's just where it's located. Back in like

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<v Speaker 1>the twenties and thirties, when immigrants would come in. Racist

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<v Speaker 1>white people were so worried about how dirty they thought

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<v Speaker 1>Mexicans were that they would mandate de lousing bats for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody who entered the country, and they would just douse

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<v Speaker 1>them in uh pesticide. And the pesticide that they chose

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<v Speaker 1>was zyklon. B Wait what is that? That's what they

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<v Speaker 1>killed all the Jews with. And the yeah, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>another thing. The Nazis were like, oh, this seems like

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<v Speaker 1>something we could modify a little bit to make better

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<v Speaker 1>for us. That's good stuff. It's not. It was super

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<v Speaker 1>flammable and sometimes people burnt horribly to death. Good stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on the border kind of always a nightmare, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>If you study the history of the border, maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>only reasonable conclusion is that borders are fundamentally toxic, but

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<v Speaker 1>and completely made up. They're just yeah, total of like

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<v Speaker 1>horrible usually racist ideology. They're just lines, racist lines we

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<v Speaker 1>draw on a map that murder tons of people. It's awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really good. So yeah, the border patrol comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of is formed from a law that the Nazis look

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<v Speaker 1>at and go, that's a good law, says we the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>Um sweet stuff, Caitlin. So because the the Immigration Act

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<v Speaker 1>has passed alongside a surge of racist nativist fear about

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<v Speaker 1>those dastardly non white immigrants. It mandated that the new

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<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol be established quickly. The first version of the

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<v Speaker 1>force was basically built overnight from July one, so rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>that there was no time for the Patrol to actually

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<v Speaker 1>create any kind of qualification exam for its new recruits.

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<v Speaker 1>The first wave of men to where the services green

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<v Speaker 1>uniform were instead required to pass the railway mail clerk

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<v Speaker 1>civil service exam, which I'm sure is basically the same thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So as a result, and this is something we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in part two, this this winds up being a

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<v Speaker 1>long trend in the Border Patrol is every decision they

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<v Speaker 1>make they have to like immediately adopt it, and they

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<v Speaker 1>never have time to train anybody to do the job

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to do, and everyone's just fine with this,

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<v Speaker 1>and it persists for ninety six years. So the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>every like decisions are made all willy nilly people are

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<v Speaker 1>brought in with no training, no training implemented, with no

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<v Speaker 1>thought given to it. They're just like, here's what we decided,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're not going to take a second, to examine

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<v Speaker 1>this at all, We're just going to do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the current DHS Secretary Chad Wolf, has no

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement experience, was never in the military, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think went to college on like a tennis scholarship. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's great and it's cool how things are always

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same forever because yeah, again, if people ever

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<v Speaker 1>learn a single lesson from history, the world will explode.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have to not do that, um anyway. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a conundrum there too, right, because so much

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<v Speaker 1>of history that gets taught, at least in schools is

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<v Speaker 1>so horribly whitewashed and revisionists that like, how can anyone

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<v Speaker 1>learn anything from it? Yeah? Yeah, you know, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good point, Caitlin. And that's that's why as I see

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<v Speaker 1>all these kids in the street who just aren't going

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<v Speaker 1>to school anymore and are instead spending their nights drop

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<v Speaker 1>kicking the doors of a federal courthouse to try to

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<v Speaker 1>taunt the agents inside to attack them, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably fine, probably learning about as much, right. So, um yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the very first border patrolmen were mostly male clerks, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously mail clerks maybe aren't super meant to be tromping

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<v Speaker 1>around the desert hunting people, and about a quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in the Border Patrol quit in their first month

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<v Speaker 1>of the job. Turnover remained incredibly high for basically the

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<v Speaker 1>whole history of the organization, but particularly it's early years,

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<v Speaker 1>and this made it kind of impossible for it to

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<v Speaker 1>develop any kind of functional internal culture. At the start,

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<v Speaker 1>by the Border Patrol had been forced to hire inspectors

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<v Speaker 1>who could not even pass civil service exams. The agency

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<v Speaker 1>tried desperately to recruit military veterans and men with law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement experience, but the vast majority of their new hires

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<v Speaker 1>were just unemployed men who lived in border towns. These

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<v Speaker 1>were white, working class folks who had trouble keeping a job,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're kind of desperate for a leg up and

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<v Speaker 1>the regular income that a law enforcement career would allow,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as kind of the respect in pride or

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<v Speaker 1>respect that you would get as a member of law enforcement. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they wanted some power. These were like poor working

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<v Speaker 1>class whites. Don't give anybody power. It never goes well, No,

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<v Speaker 1>especially not poor white men in the country. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So immigration from Mexico into the United States had not

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<v Speaker 1>traditionally been like a major subject of national political debate.

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<v Speaker 1>People in Texas, you know, there were folks who cared

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but like, really, on a national level, if

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like run based on your plan to build a

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<v Speaker 1>wall around Mexico, Americans have been like, what the fund

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<v Speaker 1>is your probable? Like, why do you give a shit

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<v Speaker 1>about that? Everyone is dying of diphtheria and the economy

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<v Speaker 1>is permanently crashed. Please please stop? Um, which I guess

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<v Speaker 1>now we're back at so maybe that'll help. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hear as many people giving a shit about

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<v Speaker 1>the border these days, I'll say that much. But maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's because nobody wants to come here anymore. We did it, Caitlin,

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<v Speaker 1>We finally stopped it. Just turn the US into a

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<v Speaker 1>disease written Hell, all it took was a runaway plague

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.920
<v Speaker 1>that we completely give up any hope of every dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, President Trump figured it out, Good for him.

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what President Trump didn't figure out? Oh? Um,

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 1>the products and services that support this podcast. That's right.

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>We keep them a secret from the president. Um, but

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>if you listen in, it can be a secret that

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you and I share and hide at all costs from

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>the administration, we're back. Oh my gosh, I for one

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>love that Trump for America bought up all of our

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 1>advertising space. Um. When I think of President, I think

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of the president anyway. Uh. So immigration from Mexico had

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.919
<v Speaker 1>not traditionally been a big, big political debate issue, right. Uh.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 1>The wealthy agribusiness owners in Texas preferred simple immigration from Mexico. Uh,

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and they fought to ensure that Mexicans were not subject

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to the same harsh immigration restrictions as other immigrants. In

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenty four bill, one business owner put it simply,

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>without the Mexicans, we would be done. Um, which hasn't

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.440
<v Speaker 1>really changed, you know. And it's like we'll talk about

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>this a little bit later on, but it is. It

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>is this kind of one of the things that you

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even realize was like really problematic when I

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>was a young person kind of dealing with. Um. The

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:29.959
<v Speaker 1>mix between outwardly hateful racists in the Southwest, UM and

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 1>nice people who don't realize they're racist. Is like the

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>nice people the outwardly hateful people are like you know,

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 1>the Trump type folks that you know who want to

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>build a wall and kick all the rapists Mexicans out. Sure,

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>they're easy to spot, yeah yeah, And then you have

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>this chunk of people who are like, well, I hate

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>what Trump's doing, and like I'm happy to have Mexicans

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>here because you know, they do great work and you

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>know they're they're they're great at this, and they're good

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>at that, and they're good at and it's this thing

0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>where like especially like you know, you don't necessarily notice,

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 1>especially as like a young white person was the eighteen

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen like what what what's actually being said there? Which

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 1>is like the commodification of of non white bodies, um,

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>which is like not not cool. Um. But we're going

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.920
<v Speaker 1>to talk more about that later because this is where

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>that all starts in an organized way, which is awesome. Um.

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 1>So uh. The white working class and texts, so obviously

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>like these kind of these kind of landowners, the kind

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 1>of aristocracy in Texas in this period, right like the

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.920
<v Speaker 1>ranchers and stuff. They were broadly like they wanted more

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Mexicans and they could never get enough because like they

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>needed people to to actually work their farms. But the

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>white working class in Texas and the white working class

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>even in rural areas really had nursed like a growing

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>hatred of Mexican people and had been for years. And

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>this was based on a mix of like fear that

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Mexican immigrants would take their jobs that was always like

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>a core part of it um and also based on

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of like good old fashioned racism. One labor union

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>official in Texas at the time noted, quote, I hope

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>they never let another Mexican come to the United States.

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>The country would be a whole lot better off for

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the white laboring man if there weren't so many inwards

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and Mexicans. And then, yeah, well, and this is one

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 1>of those things if you're like kind of squaring yourself

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>with the history of labor. You know, I'm a big

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>fan of labor history, and I think there's a lot

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of wonderful stuff there. You do have to square with

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that like a lot of those dudes who

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>were right about a lot of important things were incredibly

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>racist and hated non white people because they saw them

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>as a threat to white working class people. Um well,

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, which that all stems from capitalism more or less.

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>There was any um fairness or parody when it came

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>to income and labor. People wouldn't have to be worried

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>about other people. There wouldn't be this fear of like,

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>who is my job in danger? Who's going to take

0:29:55.000 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>my job? Um, because they're like a more just just

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>socialized economy would eliminate that fear absolutely. Yeah. So, the

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the actual laws on the books in this period of

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 1>time had been written largely by the rich landed gentry

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>who needed Mexican immigrants. But now that the border patrol

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>existed post the men enforcing those laws were working class

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>whites who really just hated Mexicans and they honestly didn't

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>give a shit about the needs of farmers. And in fact,

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them saw kind of being able to

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>police undocumented migrants as a way of kind of equalizing

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>their level of social power with farmers, because like, you know,

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 1>they were poor or than these guys. They didn't have property,

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>but now they had the ability to to arrest these

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>dudes workers, and like that gave them a level of

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<v Speaker 1>power in their culture and a level of power of

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>these people who had kind of previously been the bosses um.

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>And you know, kind of for a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>guys who became the first border patrol workers, these were

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<v Speaker 1>obviously these were white men but there were men whose

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sense of whiteness had been hanging on by

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<v Speaker 1>a thread prior to this, this opportunity coming around, and

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quote again from the book Migra quote. Early

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>officers may have lived in white neighborhoods, worshipped at white churches,

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>and sent their children to white schools. But a salesman, chauffeurs, machinists,

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 1>and cow punchers, they had labored at the edges of

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 1>whiteness in the borderlands. The steady pay and everyday social

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>authority of US immigration law enforcement work dangled before them

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of lifting themselves from a marginalized existence as

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<v Speaker 1>what Neil Foley has examined as the white scourge of

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 1>borderland communities. Policing Mexicans, in other words, presented officers with

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to enter the region's primary economy and in

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the process shore up their tentative claims upon whiteness. As

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>immigration control was emerging as a critical site of simultaneously

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>expanding the boundaries of whiteness while hardening the distinctions between

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>whites and non whites. The project of enforcing immigration restrictions

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>therefore placed border patrol officers and what police scholar David

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Bailey describes as the cutting edge of the state eats

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>knife in terms of enforcing new boundaries between whites and

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>non whites. So that is the border patrol in this period,

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the cutting edge of the states knife, you know, cleaving

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the boundaries between white and non white people. It's a

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>way to look at it, very picturesque. Yeah. Now this

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>has made a lot more complicated by the fact that

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>a chunk of the early border patrol were Mexican American

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>UM and these guys in a lot of cases saw

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>their ability their career in law enforcement as a way

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of separating themselves from non white people. The League of

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 1>United Latin American Citizens or LULAC, specifically stated that Mexican

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>American association with colored races is what held them back

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>from full acceptance by white society in this period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And the book Migra includes the story of one

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 1>early officer patrol, inspector Pete Torres, who was marked by

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a colleague for being Mexican. In response, he shot at

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<v Speaker 1>the man's feet and yelled, I am not a Mexican,

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I am a Spanish American. Um. Yeah, So this is like, yeah, internalized. Yeah,

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a complicated history here. UM. And I I'm not

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>going to, Um, I'm not going to go into tremendous

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>depth about this aspect of the history because I'm just

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not at all the right person to do so.

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>The right person to do so, in fact, is probably

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Kelly Little Hernandez, author of the book migra Um

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>History of the U. S. Border Patrol. She does talk

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>about this in in more depth, and I really recommend

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>her book. Um, but you should know that's like an

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>aspect of what's going on here and and and as

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>a rule, one of the things that starts to happen

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>in particular around like the forties is kind of a

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>growing Spanish or Mexican American community who are very pro

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>immigration enforcement um and pro like harsher immigration laws and

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>laws against the legal immigration. They start to like solidify

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>as a voting block in the Southwest in this period too,

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>and they still are to this day. It's. Um, a

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of people are like shocked and they see Hispanics

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>for Trump and stuff, and there's actually pretty deep roots

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of that stuff. Um. Yeah. So uh,

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 1>most early border patrol men, though we were white dudes,

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and it would probably be fair to call them white supremacists.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>And as the years went by, our government gave them

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>increasing powers to exercise racism with state of authority behind it.

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>From a right up in the intercept quote. While the

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.760
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty four immigration law spared Mexico quota, a series

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>of secondary laws, including one that made it a crime

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 1>to enter the country outside of official ports of entry,

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>gave border and customs agents on the spot discretion to

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>decide who could enter the country legally. They had the

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>power to turn what had been a routine, daily or

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>seasonal event crossing the border to go to work into

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>a ritual of abuse. Hygienic inspections became more widespread and

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>even more degrading. Migrants had their head shaped and they

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 1>were subjected to an increasingly arbitrary set of requirements at

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the discretion of patrollers, including literacy tests and entrance fees.

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>The Patrol wasn't a large agency at first, just a

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>few hundred men during its early years, and it's reached

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>along a two thousand mile line was limited, but over

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the years it's reported brutality grew as the number of

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>agents that deployed increased. Border agents beat, shot, and hung

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>migrants with regularity. Two patrollers, former Texas rangers, tied the

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 1>feet of one migrant and dragged him in and out

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>of a river until he confessed to having entered the

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>country illegally. Other patrollers were members of the resurgent Ku

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Klux Klan, active in border towns from Texas to California.

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Practically every other member of El Paso's National Guard was

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>then the clan. One military officer recalled, and many had

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>joined the Border Patrol upon its establishment. So not great ideally,

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you if you ask me, we keep

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>coming back to the k k K and how it

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>repeatedly infiltrated law enforcement. Someone maybe how to do something

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>about that. So for its first ten years of existence,

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the Border Patrol operated under the authority of the Department

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.720
<v Speaker 1>of Labor, and when FDR was elected, he appointed Francis

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Perkins to be Secretary of Labor and she tried to

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>curtail the violence of the Border Patrol and reform it

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>um and this didn't really work out in the long run.

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>She attempted to cut down and warrantless arrest. She mandated

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that detained migrants had a right to receive phone calls.

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>She fought to provide migrants with at least some version

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 1>of the civil rights they lacked as non citizens. But

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 1>before long FDR was pressured by the agricultural industry to

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.280
<v Speaker 1>put the border patrol under the control of the Department

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 1>of Justice. Uh. Now, this might seem surprising at first,

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>because like, these rich farmers were the same folks who

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>had fought to ensure Mexican immigrants wouldn't be subject to

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>quotas in the nineteen four immigration law. But there's a

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>reason behind it, because these folks had wanted these you know,

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.760
<v Speaker 1>ranchers and stuff, had wanted Mexicans here to work their farms,

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>but they hadn't wanted these people to actually stay in

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the United States. Lobbyist S. Parker Frazel had told Congress

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen the Mexican is a homer, like the pigeon

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.839
<v Speaker 1>he goes home to roost. And Frizelle's promise had been

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that Mexicans weren't really immigrants, and thus they should be

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>exempt from the USA's white supremacist immigration laws. They were

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>birds of passage, he argued, just hanging around for a

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>little while to work. But by the turn of the decade.

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>As we hit like start going into the nineteen thirties,

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Mexicans had started to settle all across the Southwest, buying

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>homes and starting communities and places like Texas, New Mexico, Arizona,

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and California. Uh. In nineteen hundred, only about a hundred

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand Mexican immigrants had lived in the United States. By

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty, there were one and a half million Mexican

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>immigrants in this country. Um. So this starts to freak

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 1>out a lot of white agriculturalists, right Um. And it

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it kind of you know, they had been they had

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>been okay with these people coming into work, but at

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day there there were the same

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of white supremacists as the border patrol men. They

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>were just a little bit more refined. And once it

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 1>started to look like these these Mexicans were coming in

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and actually going to be contributing and changing the demographics

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 1>of the nation, they panicked. Um. And the only thing

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>they could really think of to do was give the

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>border patrol more power to enforce how many Mexicans could

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>enter the country. Um. And there was a real big

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 1>like debate over this, right um, because uh, you you

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 1>still needed a certain as as these farmers, you still

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>needed a certain minimum amount of of of migrants coming

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 1>in every year in order to actually like keep your

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.720
<v Speaker 1>farms working. Um. And the guy who kind of figured

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>out a solution to this problem with Senator Coleman Livingston Blie.

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>He was a white supremacist congressman who first took office

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>in nine and his solution was, rather than creating a

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 1>system of quotas and caps that would have reduced manpower

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>in American fields, he just wanted to criminalize unmonitored border crossing. Um.

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>So this is the very first time that it becomes

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>illegal to cross the US Mexican border without doing it

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>at a border station. Um. That's nineteen twenty nine. That

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>law has passed. Um. And I'm gonna quote from an

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>article in the Conversation explaining what happened here. According to

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Blize's bill, unlawfully entering the country would be a misdemeanor,

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>while unlawfully returning to the United States after deportation would

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>be a felony. The idea was to force Mexican immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>into an author rised and monitored stream that could be

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 1>turned on and off at will at ports of entry.

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Any immigrant who entered the United States outside of bounds

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>of the stream would be a criminal subject defines imprisonment

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and ultimately deportation. But it was a crime designed to

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:16.240
<v Speaker 1>impact Mexican immigrants in particular. Neither the Western agricultural businessmen

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 1>nor the restrictionists registered any objections. Congress passed Blizes Bill

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the Immigration Act of March fourth, ninety nine, and dramatically

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>altered the story of crime and punishment in the United

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>States with stunning precision. The criminalization of unauthorized entry caged

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 1>thousands of Mexicans Mexico's birds of passage. By the end

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen thirty, the U. S. Attorney General reported prosecuting

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>seven thousand cases of unlawful entry. By the end of

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:41.919
<v Speaker 1>the decade, US attorneys had prosecuted more than forty four

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand cases. Now Blazes law applied technically to like Canadians

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>as well, but basically everyone prosecuted under it was Mexican,

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and it was mainly used as kind of a method

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>of non mostly non violent ethnic cleansing. Like I don't

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>even if I know if i'd say mostly non violent.

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>It was used for ethnic cleansing throughout the nineteen thirties,

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Mexicans made up at least eighty five percent of all

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 1>immigration prisoners. Sometimes some years they made up three new

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>prisons were built on the border to hold them all,

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and over the course of the decades, somewhere around one

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:20.320
<v Speaker 1>million Mexicans were deported from the United States, and most

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 1>of these people were US citizens. Historian Francisco Balderama argues

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that sixt of the million people who were deported were

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:31.760
<v Speaker 1>US citizens of Mexican descent. Um and border patrol forces

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>would call the what was happening here repatriation to make

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>it seem voluntary, But what was really happening in the

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>thirties was border patrol was just rounding up all of

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the Mexicans they could get and throwing them across the

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>border and kind of accusing people of unlawful like crossing

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.760
<v Speaker 1>of the border basically as a justification for for kicking

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>them out. Um, so that's cool. I just the resources

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 1>that get used and spent to uh like, enforce these

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 1>laws and build prisons and maintain the prison and just

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>like all all of that costs so much time and

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 1>is so much effort. Why, like it would be so

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 1>much easier if we would just let immigrants come and

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 1>then just let them live and be a part of

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:32.320
<v Speaker 1>the community. I mean, I know why because racism. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it's absurd. Yeah, the border patrols pretty lame. You know,

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>this is like that. But like this, this is what

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.240
<v Speaker 1>it is from the beginning, Like one of the first

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>things the Border Patrol ever does is to port a

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>million people, more than half of whom are US citizens. Um.

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.839
<v Speaker 1>And it just lies about what it's doing because it's

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. It's job has never been to actually

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 1>enforce the rule of law or even protect the border.

0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Its job is to protect whiteness, right yep, souh the

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 1>very The primary method of action for Border Patrol agents

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning up to now was violence. Um. The

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>force was always undermanned and underfunded. With a handful of

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.839
<v Speaker 1>officers responsible for thousands of miles of rugged terrain, there

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 1>was little to no oversight, and agents generally used violence

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.360
<v Speaker 1>at their discretion. As this anecdote from the book Migra

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Illustrates Quote one Day in nineteen explains Stovall, who was

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 1>a Border Patrol agent. He was patrolling alone near San Elizario, Texas,

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 1>when he decided to drive through town Santa Lazario was

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>this little Mexican town on the Rio Grand, said stove All,

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>who remembered that when he got to town that day,

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>he saw a Mexicano come out from behind the bank

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 1>of a drainage ditch and then duck back. Stove All

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>admitted to knowing the man, but stopped the car and

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>asked him, what do you have there in your bosom?

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 1>The man reached into his shirt pocket and pulled out

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>two bottles of beer and put them down on the

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>bridge and broke them so he wouldn't have any evidence.

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Reflecting upon the incident, stove All wondered, why didn't I

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.800
<v Speaker 1>pull out my gun and fire at that Mexican. I

0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't know why. Instead of reaching his

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.840
<v Speaker 1>gun and firing, stove All fled. I got in my

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.399
<v Speaker 1>car and got away from there, remembered stove All, because

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 1>it was in daylight, about one o'clock. If I had

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.320
<v Speaker 1>pulled my gun and fired, there would have been fifty

0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Mexicans around me that quick. According to stove All, God

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>spared his life that day by taking charge of his

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>hands and preventing him from shooting at the Mexican. You know,

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>so this is this is nineteen and kind of a

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>common addit like this border patrol agent approaches a guy

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>who's got a legal alcohol and the dude breaks the

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 1>bottles on him, and the man's lingering question that he's

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 1>wondering for years afterwards is why didn't I shoot that

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>man to death? Like, yeah, some people think justifies killing

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 1>another person is something I will never comprehend. Yeah, I

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 1>don't think they thought they were people. Um, yeah, and

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:55.800
<v Speaker 1>it's it's probably worth noting how common brutality was, like

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>like open brutality was among US law enforcement officials, um,

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.359
<v Speaker 1>even at like pretty high levels in politics at this time.

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:05.800
<v Speaker 1>In May of nineteen fifty four, Herbert Brownell, the Attorney

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>General UH Eisenhower's Attorney General, gave a speech where he

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 1>asked US labor leaders for their support and the event

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that border patrol agents quote shot wet backs in cold blood.

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>So again not saying like, hey, we might have an

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:21.640
<v Speaker 1>accidental shooting and I need your support because like what

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>we're doing is hard and you know, people are gonna

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:25.919
<v Speaker 1>mess up. He's like, you know, my guys might murder

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 1>some some Mexicans. You know, my guys are absolutely going

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to commit murder in cold blood, and I need you

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.800
<v Speaker 1>to like have my back, right. That's the Attorney General

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 1>of the United States. Cool stuff? You know what else

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 1>is cool stuff? Uh? Don't, Sophie. I can't imagine what

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 1>you're going for here. That's fine, that's fine. I'll just leave.

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 1>You know who isn't the the Attorney General of the

0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>United States. Hopefully the products and services that with this podcast.

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>So racism's not good. You know who else isn't good?

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 1>The head of the Border Patrol in the nineteen fifties. Uh, yeah,

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>a great pivot. So the guy in charge of the

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol as we turned into the nineteen fifties is

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.799
<v Speaker 1>an outright monster by the name of Harlan Carter. Now

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Carter was, by the time he became the head of

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the Border Patrol, a convicted murderer. Yeah, in nineteen thirty one,

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>is a teenager. He'd shot a Mexican boy in the

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 1>chest at point blank range with a twelve gage shotgun,

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 1>and the two had been having an argument, and the

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Mexican boy had a knife, but he was not actively

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 1>threatening Carter, and in fact, he'd laughed at the boy's

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 1>gun because he just kind of seemed to think it

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 1>was silly that they were having a fight at all,

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and Carter shot him to death because he was angry

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>for being laughed at. He was convicted of murder and

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to three years in prison, but he was led

0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>out after two owing to a technicality. So in nineteen

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 1>thirty one, by the way, you could shoot a man

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:04.720
<v Speaker 1>in the chest with a twelve gage and get three years.

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 1>But that's neat. Um. I love laws, Yeah, just so

0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>our justice system is cool. Yeah, he got rehabilitated. He

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:18.720
<v Speaker 1>went on to become the head of the Border Patrol

0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and also was the head of the n R A. Oh,

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Harlan Carter is an interesting piece of shit. Um. So,

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>throughout the forties, apprehensions by the Border Patrol we're kind

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of ad hawc and disorganized, and they were mostly the

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.760
<v Speaker 1>result of individual agents seeking out undocumented immigrants by catching

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.239
<v Speaker 1>them in transit. This meant that large numbers of people

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>were almost never apprehended at a time. It was more

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 1>just like agents kind of going out and hunting people

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 1>down and grabbing a couple of folks. This was an

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.399
<v Speaker 1>easy system for dumb violent men to like figure out,

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, you just kind of it's like hunting basically

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>um and it appealed to the kind of folks who

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>became Border patrol agents. But starting in nineteen fifty, a

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.919
<v Speaker 1>young agent named Albert Quillan began to change things. He wasn't,

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 1>telligent and ambitious, and when the chief supervisor of Border

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Patrol demanded that he and his colleagues increase apprehensions, Quillan

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 1>began experimenting with bold new strategies. At five am on

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 1>February eleven, Quillan took a detail of twelve patrol men

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>with two buses, one plane, one truck, and nine automobiles.

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.760
<v Speaker 1>The men drove out to a small station in Real Hondo, Texas,

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>and then split into two groups to clean as well

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 1>as possible a certain section of illegal aliens. The plane

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 1>acted as a spotter while the buses were used to

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:31.879
<v Speaker 1>quote hall wets to the border. A hundred people were

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.879
<v Speaker 1>apprehended in short order, and they were deported the next day.

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Quillan soon moved on with his force to a series

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 1>of farms near Los Fresnos, Texas. They found five hundred

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.839
<v Speaker 1>and sixty one wets, which is again always the term

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:45.279
<v Speaker 1>they used for that. Do you understand where that term

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 1>comes from I don't know that I actually know the

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:52.400
<v Speaker 1>source of it. No. Yeah, So basically the idea is that, um,

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.840
<v Speaker 1>there were kind of tooth two options from Mexicans at

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>this time. There was the Briscero program, which was a

0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>program by which they could kind of enter the country

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 1>quasi legally and get like legal working rights to to

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 1>be like a laborer or something like that. Um. And

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 1>then there was you could just cross the border right

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 1>illegally um. And that usually meant crossing the Rio grant

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.799
<v Speaker 1>which is a river, right, so you wind up wet

0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:16.359
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the river. So they called

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the wet backs like that. That's that's still to this

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 1>day a racist slang term for particularly Mexicans, kind of

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 1>all people of Hispanic descent, and a lot of Texas

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 1>like you hear it a lot from raises there and

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the border patrol. It is their standard term for these people.

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.720
<v Speaker 1>This is like on all of their professional documents and everything.

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 1>This is what they call migrants. Yeah. Um. So Quillan's

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>forces catch five hundred and sixty one wets on their

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 1>second day, and on their third day they catch two

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 1>hundred sixty four. On the fourth day they catch a

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty four uh. In less than a week,

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 1>they captured and deported more than a thousand undocumented laborers,

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and this was like unprecedented. The Border patrol had never

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>caught this many people this quickly. Um It was seen

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>as an astonishing achievement by Quillan superiors, and they began

0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>setting up other raids in imitation of his. Border Patrol

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>supervisors noted that these new task forces as started being called,

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:10.919
<v Speaker 1>we're quote pounding away on these wets, cool dudes. Soon

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 1>multiple task forces had been established throughout California and Texas,

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 1>carrying out constant raids and netting huge numbers of undocumented persons.

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.320
<v Speaker 1>On some single days, more than five thousand Mexican nationals

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.399
<v Speaker 1>would be apprehended and shipped to temporary detention camps before

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 1>being sent back across the border. Patrolmen handed deportees notes

0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 1>that read quote, you have entered the United States illegally

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and in violation of the laws of your land and

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.520
<v Speaker 1>those of the United States. For this reason, you're being

0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 1>returned to your homeland. If you return again illegally, you

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>will be arrested and punished as provided by law. We

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>understand that the life of a wet back is difficult.

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Wet Backs are unable to work for more than a

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.719
<v Speaker 1>few hours before they are apprehended and deported. Remember these

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 1>words and transmit the news to your families and countrymen

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.760
<v Speaker 1>if you want to do them a favor. So that's fun, Yanks,

0:49:54.239 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 1>nice letter there. Terrified language. Also, you had said alien

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 1>that that was something that had been and still gets like.

0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:09.560
<v Speaker 1>That language is still used and it's just the most

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:20.160
<v Speaker 1>dehumanizing word. Yeah, to refer to simply someone who travels

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 1>to another place and wants to stay there. It's pretty

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 1>crazy because we don't use that word for uh, I

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:32.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know us. I'm I'm excited for when we have

0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:35.720
<v Speaker 1>finally the big civil war that we were all planning

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 1>to have and suddenly a shipload of people but continued

0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:46.440
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, I'm I'm excited for the people who treated

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Syrian refugees and treat Guatemalan and Honduran and Mexican refugees

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:53.719
<v Speaker 1>like ship and I'm excited for them all to I

0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know, get gunned down by Canadian border guards, um

0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 1>as we deserve as a nation. I don't know, I'm

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 1>angry all the time. Cab, I'm sorry that's not right likewise,

0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 1>am I yeah? Um? Anyway, it'll be up to Canada.

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 1>We racist then and then eventually Alaska and then the

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:20.440
<v Speaker 1>biosphere will die. Um, so you know what won't die, Caitlin, Um,

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 1>are you doing a necessary I know, I went off

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:30.800
<v Speaker 1>on a really sad rant. Uh, and so I decided

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to throw in a raytheon ad because everybody likes thinking

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:38.320
<v Speaker 1>about raytheon. So back to the border patrol. Um. So

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the border patrol would like pick up all these folks,

0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 1>huge numbers, thousands in a day sometimes and they would

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>put them in these like temporary camps um and then

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:48.719
<v Speaker 1>would take them into Mexico, where the Mexican military would

0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>basically dump them in the middle of the country as

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 1>far away from the border as possible. And these were

0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 1>generally places where there was no work and where these

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 1>migrants had no family connections, and it was just a

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 1>horrible situation for most people. As a result of these

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:04.800
<v Speaker 1>new tactics, between nineteen fifty and nineteen fifty three, the

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 1>number of border patrol apprehensions nearly doubled, from four hundred

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and sixty nine thousand to almost eight hundred and forty thousand.

0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 1>This caused immediate problems for ranchers and farmers, who started

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:17.839
<v Speaker 1>to realize that the new legal powers they had given

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the Border Patrol had vastly realigned the organization's power in

0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a way that allowed the white supremacists who ran it

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:27.760
<v Speaker 1>to harm agrabusiness by wiping out their workforce. At stake

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>was also a sort of cultural readjustment. Farmers and ranchers

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 1>were used to occupying a position at the top of society,

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.320
<v Speaker 1>but now Border patrol men could exercise the power of

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 1>deportation again and take away their workers. And Texas border

0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 1>towns like Marfa farmers hired armed guards, hired lookouts, and

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>booby trapped farm gates in order to protect their workforce.

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 1>There were gunfights with border patrol um with these like

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:53.239
<v Speaker 1>white farmers trying to defend their workforce, and as the

0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 1>conflict between the farmers and border patrol grew uglier, white

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:59.880
<v Speaker 1>border town farmers suddenly found themselves facing off against the

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 1>same men who had hunted their workers. The book Migra

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>tells the story of D. C. Newton, whose family were

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:08.240
<v Speaker 1>border patrol farmers who posted guards to warn about raids

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.360
<v Speaker 1>they went to sleep. They want to sleep. One night

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:12.239
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty two and woke up to find that

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.680
<v Speaker 1>dozens of Border patrol agents had snuck in with their

0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 1>headlights off and to surprise everyone sleeping in the farmhouse

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and adjacent quarters. The Newton's oldest son was faster, though,

0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and he succeeded in warning the undocumented migrants staying on

0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the farm, which gave them the time they needed to

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>run like hell and hide in the trees. When the

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 1>border patrol men came up empty in their search, they

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 1>went after the white folks who actually owned the farm,

0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna quote from the book Migrant Now. They

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:40.160
<v Speaker 1>entered Newton's parents bedroom and began shining the flashlights in

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.400
<v Speaker 1>my mother's eyes and my father's eyes, telling them to

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 1>get up. We're gonna go out and find where your

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Mexicans are. With my father and his pajamas, my mother,

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 1>his mother in a nightgown, and no one wearing any shoes,

0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:51.879
<v Speaker 1>the officers forced the family out of the house while

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 1>pushing physically pushing my mother in the back, pushing my

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 1>father in the back, and demanding to know where the

0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 1>wet backs were. Most of the workers had fled, including

0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Newton's nanny, Loupe, for whom the officers claimed to be searching.

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:04.960
<v Speaker 1>In particular, she had heard the arrival of the patrolman

0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:06.919
<v Speaker 1>and climbed out of the window on the second floor

0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.280
<v Speaker 1>of the farmhouse, rolled down onto the roof of the garage,

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 1>and run off to the southeast and was gone. Although

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the Newton's believed they had outsmarted the Border patrol by

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.960
<v Speaker 1>alerting the migrants to the raid, the head Border patrol

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>inspector still led fifty three apprehended workers away, saying, see

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:25.440
<v Speaker 1>how you handle your groves? Now, Now that's like a

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 1>bad story and everything. What's interesting here is, um, I

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 1>guess how horrible Newton's family is here too, um, Because

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the interview with him goes on and he makes it

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:39.200
<v Speaker 1>clear that when he kind of when his dad explained

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 1>to him what was happening with the Border Patrol, his

0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 1>dad compared the conflict to the Civil War. Um, and

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the side that he identified with was not the good side. Quote.

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Newton's father believed that by taking away their workers, the

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:55.520
<v Speaker 1>damn Yankee Border Patrol were splitting up a household. As

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:58.280
<v Speaker 1>he explained it to his son, the South Texans protected

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 1>their homes, their families, their property and their way of

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 1>life from the border patrol raids. He was the master.

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>The Mexican illegals were equivalent to the black slaves, and

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.800
<v Speaker 1>together they formed a household, a system of labor relations

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:11.840
<v Speaker 1>in a world of tightly bound intimacy and inequity. The

0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol threatened their household by reducing the farmer's control

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:18.640
<v Speaker 1>over Mexico's unsanctioned migrant workers. So as the Southerners had

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:22.040
<v Speaker 1>rebelled against intrusions upon their labor relations and plantation lives,

0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the Newton family had to defend itself against the US

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol. Newton's brother took the lesson to heart. When

0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the border patrol rated on another night, he stood in

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the family driveway with a shotgun named at the officers.

0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Startled by the hostile twelve year old boy, the officers

0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.279
<v Speaker 1>left the property and returned on another day. So, yeah,

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 1>this is what's happening here is really complicated. Right. There's

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.600
<v Speaker 1>an important thing to remember here, which is that even

0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:53.439
<v Speaker 1>of the like white ranch farm owners who are maybe

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:59.800
<v Speaker 1>not in favor of their workforce being sent back to

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:05.800
<v Speaker 1>their country of origin, they are still exploiting these workers,

0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:10.760
<v Speaker 1>these migrant workers, um and you know, probably not paying

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:17.840
<v Speaker 1>them well, probably not offering them you know, good benefits,

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:23.360
<v Speaker 1>so and probably like keeping them in very primitive living situations,

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.320
<v Speaker 1>often like little more than a shack, often like like

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:30.200
<v Speaker 1>like kind of nightmares situa like these guys did. These

0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.440
<v Speaker 1>migrants often did live very similarly to slaves. Right, it

0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't quite that bad, but it was bad. Um. And

0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:40.239
<v Speaker 1>these these farmers are like the border patrol agents want

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>these migrants out because they're racist as fuck. Um, and

0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 1>these farmers are also racist as fun. They just want

0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the migrants to stay because because they can exploit the

0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:53.840
<v Speaker 1>basis of their power exactly. So again, no one to

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 1>root for here other than like these migrants, but they

0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 1>seem to mostly get just sucked over by everybody, and

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:05.320
<v Speaker 1>that's not fun. Yep. So yeah, it's important to remember

0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:07.440
<v Speaker 1>that kind of the struggle between border patrol and these

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.240
<v Speaker 1>border farmers in Texas was a struggle between two different

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.680
<v Speaker 1>groups of white supremacists, and one group of white supremacists

0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>was broadly in the right because I guess it's it's

0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 1>worse to round up thousands of people in cattle cars

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:22.720
<v Speaker 1>and busses and throw them back across the border for

0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>no good reason. But there's no one you should be

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:30.360
<v Speaker 1>rooting for here. But what's really interesting, what's kind I

0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 1>find fascinating about this whole conflict is that these racist

0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:37.840
<v Speaker 1>plantation owning, white border farmers wound up like fighting the

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol by kind of co opting the language of

0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:44.680
<v Speaker 1>social justice. Um Starting in the nineteen fifties, ranchers began

0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to argue that Mexican nationals were being unfairly targeted for deportations.

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:51.520
<v Speaker 1>They complained that the buses, planes, and trains used to

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:56.040
<v Speaker 1>take migrants away were cruel, in human and outrageous practices

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 1>trading in human misery. They began to argue that hiring

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Mexicans was an act of kindness by American ranchers. Mexican

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 1>laborers deserve the chance to win a better life by

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:08.240
<v Speaker 1>working low paid jobs as domestic servants and laborers. The

0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol was in fact actually fostering communism by sending

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:14.440
<v Speaker 1>these men and women back to the interior of Mexico,

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.040
<v Speaker 1>where there would no doubt live on in miserable poverty

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and join some leftist guerrilla movement. So because their lives

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:28.280
<v Speaker 1>being exploited farm hands in the US was so much better.

0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 1>What Oh my gosh, yeah, it's pretty cool. How naturally

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:38.080
<v Speaker 1>that came to these farmers. I like it. So the

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol obviously didn't listen to the protest against them.

0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:43.800
<v Speaker 1>They continued to, in their own words, pound away in

0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:48.720
<v Speaker 1>the borderlands, raising apprehensions UH. The increased workload necessary uh

0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:51.960
<v Speaker 1>necessitated more men and facilities, and in nineteen fifty three,

0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:54.439
<v Speaker 1>the Border Patrol attempted to hire two dred and forty

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 1>additional officers and made plans to build two new detention

0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:01.680
<v Speaker 1>centers at the Lower Real Grand Valley. This enraged local farmers,

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and one quote threatened to arm his wet back laborers

0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 1>against the Border Patrol, threatening that there is liable to

0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:10.040
<v Speaker 1>be a couple of dead border patrolmen. Death threats against

0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:12.560
<v Speaker 1>patrolman became a daily occurrence, and farmers in the Lower

0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Rio Grand lobbied their congressmen to deny the appropriation request

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:19.120
<v Speaker 1>necessary to fund the new men and facilities. These farmers

0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:21.600
<v Speaker 1>insisted they weren't lobbying for their own benefit, but for

0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:23.800
<v Speaker 1>doing we're doing it from migrants who were victims of

0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the patrols. Cheap vindictiveness, a great hunger to ruler ruin

0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to control to govern anything to carry a point reckless

0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 1>of the consequences to the poor workman, which they heard

0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:36.040
<v Speaker 1>around as cattle, and they weren't wrong in this. The

0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 1>facility the Border Patrol wanted to build was essentially a

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:43.240
<v Speaker 1>concentration camp. Eventually, Congress listened and the appropriation crest request

0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:45.439
<v Speaker 1>was denied. So like the protest of all these guys

0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:47.760
<v Speaker 1>in Texas worked, the Border Patrol had to send its

0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:50.280
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and forty men back home and cancel construction.

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 1>According to the book Migra Quote, one month after losing

0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the supplemental appropriation, Chief Kelly announced the Border Patrols withdrawal

0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 1>from the Rio Grand Valley to a new defend line

1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:02.920
<v Speaker 1>ten miles to the north of Kingsville. Fall furious and

1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:05.959
<v Speaker 1>Hebronville rather than fight a losing battle in the lower

1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Rio Grand Valley at the Border Patrol decided to pull

1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.600
<v Speaker 1>out of the area because with limited forces we can

1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:13.600
<v Speaker 1>best control the wet back invasion as at the line

1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:16.480
<v Speaker 1>farther north. It's one of those things, I guess, like

1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I always kind of debate when you've got like something

1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that is essentially a slur or is a slur um.

1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:24.080
<v Speaker 1>In an episode of like this how often to say it?

1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:26.280
<v Speaker 1>And it's one of those things where I kind of

1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:30.280
<v Speaker 1>feel like cleaning up the Border Patrols official statements in

1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the matter would be, I don't know, making it seem

1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:36.400
<v Speaker 1>like they were less of a naked force for white

1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.560
<v Speaker 1>supremacy than they were, Like if you, if you, if

1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you replace that with Mexican nationals, that's not really what

1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:46.480
<v Speaker 1>they're saying, right, Yeah, I don't know, that's yeah. I

1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 1>mean that puts you in a pretty tricky position. Yeah,

1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I I don't know. Yeah, they use it a lot. Um,

1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:57.600
<v Speaker 1>it's the Border Patrol are cool guys, And we're about

1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to hear it used again in another big way. Um. So,

1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the men of the Border Patrol did see the immigration

1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:05.680
<v Speaker 1>of Mexicans into the US as an invasion, and they

1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:07.920
<v Speaker 1>sought to repel it with military force, as kind of

1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:10.120
<v Speaker 1>that language above, right, referring to it as a defensive

1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:13.280
<v Speaker 1>line and stuff, like they're defending whiteness again, and they

1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:17.800
<v Speaker 1>see the encroachment of these, um, these undocumented migrants as

1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:21.800
<v Speaker 1>like an assault on on white blood more than anything else. Um.

1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.480
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty three, with the rebellion of the Texas

1:01:24.560 --> 1:01:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Ranchers in full swing. Harlan Carter, who's again the murderer

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:30.120
<v Speaker 1>who became the head of the Border Patrol, sat down

1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:32.800
<v Speaker 1>with two US generals to ask for their help. He

1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:35.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted the military and the National Guard to assist the

1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol in a nationwide purge of undocumented Mexican nationals

1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:44.120
<v Speaker 1>called Operation Cloudburst. The first step for this would be

1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:47.000
<v Speaker 1>an anti infiltration campaign to seal the border with the

1:01:47.040 --> 1:01:50.920
<v Speaker 1>help of eight troops Border Patrol wood station soldiers at

1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:54.080
<v Speaker 1>strategic locations and build several long fences to block areas

1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of heavy traffic. This part of the operation is fairly standard,

1:01:57.160 --> 1:01:59.840
<v Speaker 1>aside from the presence of US troops. Part to the

1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:03.160
<v Speaker 1>would be a containment operation, which would involve roadblocks on

1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:06.240
<v Speaker 1>every major highway from the southwest to the interior of

1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:09.680
<v Speaker 1>North America. These checkpoints would be used to search vehicles

1:02:09.760 --> 1:02:12.720
<v Speaker 1>for illegal migrants around the clock. Part three was the

1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:15.280
<v Speaker 1>mopping up phase, and this would involve a massive series

1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:18.520
<v Speaker 1>of raids in northern locations. Places far from the border

1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:21.800
<v Speaker 1>like San Francisco where groups of migrants were believed to

1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:24.040
<v Speaker 1>have gathered. Businesses and camps would be rated and the

1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:26.680
<v Speaker 1>arrested migrants would be airlifted or sent by train to

1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:31.040
<v Speaker 1>the interior of Mexico, now again using the military. This

1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:34.320
<v Speaker 1>was essentially he wanted to to bring in the army

1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:37.720
<v Speaker 1>to carry out a military action to purge the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of Hispanic people. That that's what the head of

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<v Speaker 1>Border Patrols trying to do here, and all of the

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<v Speaker 1>military guys he talked to are like, this sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a great idea. We'd love to help, um, but it's illegal,

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<v Speaker 1>right Posse commatatas means you can't use the army for

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<v Speaker 1>ship like this. Um. The only way around it is

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<v Speaker 1>a presidential proclamation. And Dwight Eisenhower was actually initially all

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<v Speaker 1>on board with issuing that proclam a asian um, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the end he kind of backed away, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>instead he appointed a General Joseph Swing to be the

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<v Speaker 1>new Commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and was

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<v Speaker 1>basically like, we can't use soldiers for this because it's unconstitutional,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna promote a general to be in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of the I n S. And you figure out a

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<v Speaker 1>way to do the same thing with the resources border

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<v Speaker 1>patrol has, like us your yeah, yeah, I still want

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<v Speaker 1>a military operation to clear out these Hispanic people. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't use soldiers, so that's good grief. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the mental gymnastics. That what these people do to justify

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<v Speaker 1>their horrible actions. Anyway, Sorry, go ahead, Yeah it's pretty great.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So. One month after joining I n S,

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<v Speaker 1>General Swing announces that he's going to be leading the

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<v Speaker 1>Border Patrol in a new paramilitary campaign based on the

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<v Speaker 1>tactics pioneered by Albert Quillan. The new operation is given

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<v Speaker 1>the name Operation wet Back. Again. That's the Border Patrol's

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<v Speaker 1>official name for it. That's what all these guys call it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it's written up in in the documents and stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they just didn't have a fund to give on this matter. So,

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<v Speaker 1>true to form, Border Patrol was only given four weeks

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare for what would become the largest operation in

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<v Speaker 1>their history. The plan was to engage in an unprecedented sweep,

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<v Speaker 1>deporting hundreds of thousands of people. No one received any

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<v Speaker 1>training or specialized equipment to actually do this, though. All

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<v Speaker 1>that most agents had on June nine, nine fifty four,

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<v Speaker 1>when the operation began, was a letter from General Swing

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<v Speaker 1>ordering them to purge the nation by removing the huge

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<v Speaker 1>number of Mexican nationals who were in this country in

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<v Speaker 1>violation of the immigration laws. Always good to hear about

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<v Speaker 1>a purge. Yea. Yeah. So in its first day, California

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<v Speaker 1>and or in the first day of this operation, California

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<v Speaker 1>and Arizona agents apprehended nearly eleven thousand migrants. The flood

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<v Speaker 1>of people only accelerated after that, and the year number

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<v Speaker 1>of deportees overwhelmed the Border Patrol's capacity to hold or

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<v Speaker 1>carry them. People were left in primitive, exposed concentration camps

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<v Speaker 1>for days. The Border Patrol turned Alesion Park in Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles into an open air concentration camp. Um. Yeah, that's nate.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to Allegian parks. I've been there before and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never go again. A lot of the men who were

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<v Speaker 1>in turn there, men and women, got sick and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>died of sunstroke because there was no care given to

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<v Speaker 1>their health and it can get very hot down there. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all, deportees were transported by boats, many of which

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<v Speaker 1>were so cramped and filthy that their occupants later compared

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<v Speaker 1>them to slave ships or penal hell ships. Um. So,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great. The Mexican government's capacity to take and transport

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<v Speaker 1>all these people broke down almost immediately, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>we need you to to not send these people to

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<v Speaker 1>us so quickly because we can't handle them. And the

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<v Speaker 1>US government said, we don't give a fuck um and

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<v Speaker 1>kept just shotgunning people on over there, and the sheer

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<v Speaker 1>scale of deportations began to funk with American industry. But

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<v Speaker 1>Border patrol didn't really give a shit about this either.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quote again from the book Migra. Between June

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<v Speaker 1>seventeenth and July fifty four, two thousand, eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven of the four thousand and four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>three migrants apprehended by task the task force assigned to

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<v Speaker 1>the Los Angeles area had worked in industry. After border

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<v Speaker 1>patrol raids during the summer of nineteen fifty four, three

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles brickyards were left without sufficient numbers of workers

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<v Speaker 1>and temporarily closed down their operations. Similarly, border patrol officers

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<v Speaker 1>paid close attention to the hotel and restaurant business, which

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<v Speaker 1>routinely hired undocumented Mexican immigrants as bus boys, kitchen help waiters,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Officers reported apprehending such workers at well known

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<v Speaker 1>establishments such as the Builtmore Hotel, Beverly Hills Hotel, Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>Roosevelt Hotel, Los Angeles Athletic Club, and the Brown Derby.

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<v Speaker 1>At times, the Border Patrol raids created moments of chaos

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<v Speaker 1>at popular restaurants when migrants attempted to escape by running

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<v Speaker 1>through the serving area. The raids were public and regularly

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<v Speaker 1>drew significant attention from the press, and this was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the point. The reason the Border Patrol focused so

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<v Speaker 1>much on Los Angeles on like raids in big Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>locations is because they were trying to make a point

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<v Speaker 1>to these like these ranchers who were still fighting them

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<v Speaker 1>in South Texas. And the the message was, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>willing to do this ship in fucking Hollywood, you'd better

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<v Speaker 1>believe that one day we're going to come to your

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<v Speaker 1>ranch and fuck you up, right, Like if we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>this to the built More, will ruin you, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>don't give a ship where the where The Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 1>um and in the end, Operation wet Back was responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for the deportations of somewhere between a quarter of a

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<v Speaker 1>million at the low end, uh and about one point

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<v Speaker 1>five million people at the high end. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day. Yeah, it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ended in retreat by the Border patrol. UM. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>this was that around the same time, the US government

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<v Speaker 1>reformed to the Broscero program, which allowed Mexican nationals to

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<v Speaker 1>get legal working status in the US, and that became

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<v Speaker 1>much more popular after this time, So a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these these ranchers and farmers started making sure that their

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<v Speaker 1>workers kind of went through a legal path to gain

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<v Speaker 1>working status in the United States. UM. And some of

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<v Speaker 1>it was just that, like there was blowback to this program.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't very popular, all of the massive public raids

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<v Speaker 1>UM and kind of as a result, border patrol apprehensions plummeted.

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<v Speaker 1>The next year in nineteen fifty five, the task forces

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<v Speaker 1>that had once captured thousands of migrants in a day

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<v Speaker 1>were disbanded and demobilized, and for a little while it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed as if the Border Patrol had gone into hibern nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that Caitlin was not the case. And in

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<v Speaker 1>part two, we're going to talk about the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't even talked about any of the worst ship

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<v Speaker 1>that the Border Patrol gets up to in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's how much worse it gets. Oh, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to hear about it. So how are you feeling? UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel pretty terrible. That's good. I love it when

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<v Speaker 1>people feel terrible. Every I'm always like, oh, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to be a guest on Behind the Bastards, And

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<v Speaker 1>then every time I do it, I'm like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reminded how horrible people have been to each other. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were the one who picked this topic with

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<v Speaker 1>a text message L O L. I think the Border

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<v Speaker 1>Patrol sounds fund that did never happen. UM. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's good to be informed about these things.

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<v Speaker 1>So I appreciate UM learning and being further informed about it. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, thank you, thank you for that. Yep, you're welcome, Caitlin,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for coming on. Is there a place as

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<v Speaker 1>people might be able to find you, listen to you,

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<v Speaker 1>ways to support your work? Why? They're certainly are places

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<v Speaker 1>to do that starting with UM. You can follow me

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<v Speaker 1>personally on Twitter and Instagram at Caitlin Darante. You can

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<v Speaker 1>also check out my podcast right here on this network.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called The Bechdel Cast. I co host it with

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Loftus, and we talk about the representation of women

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<v Speaker 1>in film and just film in general, examining it through

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<v Speaker 1>an intersectional feminist lens. So that is what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can yeah, check out screenwriting classes right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yes, I am, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>bringing that up. I also teach screenwriting um on account

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<v Speaker 1>of a master's degree in screenwriting that I absolutely hate

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<v Speaker 1>to mention or ever just bring up. But UM, it

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<v Speaker 1>does allow me to teach online classes. So if that's

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<v Speaker 1>of any interest to anyone, UM, go to my website

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin Toronte dot com slash classes and UH. I usually

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<v Speaker 1>have news sections coming up starting soon at any given point.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to learn from me, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>teach screenwriting, but I do teach screamwriting, which is where

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<v Speaker 1>you sit down with a pencil and paper and I

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<v Speaker 1>scream at you and then eventually you give me money

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<v Speaker 1>to go away. That's sounds very educational. We all have

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<v Speaker 1>to have an extra couple of grisons, So either pay

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin for an actual service or pay me to abuse you. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, you know what, Sophie, look, everybody, look, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta you gotta be mean to the audience. Sophie, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta you gotta really kick their I don't know about

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<v Speaker 1>I love them, I appreciate them, and Robert so kindness.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any way in which you think that, like

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<v Speaker 1>closing out a podcast is similar to making love, just

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<v Speaker 1>to bring things full Here's how closing a podcast is

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<v Speaker 1>like making love. Both of them are inherently disappointing. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you can follow Robert and I write on Twitter. You

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<v Speaker 1>can follow us at Boust and spat on Twitter, on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a key public store. Uh that's it. Bye

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<v Speaker 1>bye bye m M