WEBVTT - Come on In. I'll Get You Some Coffee Therapy Session 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:17.680 I am all in. Oh, just you, I am all in? 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.720 What Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast? Everybody? Uh, 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.759 I am Scott Patterson and this is the I Am 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.480 all in podcast from my Heart Radio. We are going 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.440 to We got an email from a fan, a woman 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.879 named Kim down in Dallas, Texas, and she happens to 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.879 be um a therapist. You know, we want to get 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.280 into it with her and and kind of break down, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.839 you know, the episode and and sort of look a 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.879 little deeper under the hood into what is making these 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.120 characters tick and and why they're imperfect. And you know, 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.400 maybe we can sort of change the oil or tightness 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.880 screw here and there, you know, for your advocation or 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.120 for our own, and see why these characters are imperfect 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.759 and why they're interacting in the way that they're interacting 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.400 and reacting and overreacting and underreacting, you know, all kinds 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:14.200 of psychobabble, and it's it's just gonna be a fun 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.360 exploration with Kim. Yeah, it's a little therapy session. It's 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.200 kind of a little therapy session. I think it's a 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:20.959 good idea to do that every once in a while 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:28.280 on the podcast, Kim help me with my max obsession. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.520 You know, I need to just relax and be free 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.120 of it. But um you know, I I you know, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.959 I got to be true to how I feel. I'm 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.280 really feeling these things. So it's it's really not a 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.920 therapy session for me. It's it's it's really for us 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:46.319 to sort of dissect, you know, why these what makes 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.160 these characters tick. And I think I think it's really 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:54.320 fascinating because these are very very complex, um uh and 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.320 deeply drawn characters. I mean, these are not your average 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.960 TV characters. So there's a lot going on here, a 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.120 lot of generational stuff, a lot of conflict, and we're 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.840 gonna we're gonna put our little brains together and form 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.080 a little rock pile and see if we can figure 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.000 it out. And is she is she waiting? She's in 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.919 the waiting room. Okay, let's bring her in. Hey, Kim, Kim, 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.480 lay it on us, because this is a little debate 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.919 I've been wanting to have. Okay, so what exactly I'm 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.440 And I think I'm nervous too, I'm like, am I am? I? Am? 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.880 I debating because I want to say this. This is 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:39.880 not to negate nor minimize Luke's feelings towards her towards 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.040 this mocking behavior. So because the feelings are the feeling, 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:44.720 so I always want to know from a therapist. So 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.400 feelings are big, um, so, so this is not to 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.960 negate so and so if if it's if it's hurtful, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.560 it's hurtful. But I'm just wondering if there's a possible 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:01.520 different perspective, does that land differently? So who walks into 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:06.160 a diner that's respectful and says dance burger boy, Okay, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.839 that's right, freaking break you know what, You're right, You're right. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.240 It is mocking and like I said, he has every 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.600 reason to have his feelings, you know, be offended by it, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.320 have his feelings hurt by it, and so not everything 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.679 that she does is um, I don't think it's intended 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.760 to be hurtful, but I still think it can be hurtful. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.400 But I do think that her that personality, that aspect 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.840 of her personality. I do think it's protective and I 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.000 do think she's had it for a long time. Um. 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.480 You know, like I said in the email, Luke's got 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.280 this grumpiness and it's a natural boundary. I think there's 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.560 like later on episodes where he's like, who's gonna He's 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.080 gonna call me on anything, He's gonna ask me anything. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.160 And I think it's harder when you're a female to 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.360 do that. I mean, we know, we know some women 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:54.640 that do that, but it's hard to do that. So 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:59.280 it's a very approachable, amiable type of personality. But I 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.760 think it's also a very boundary in that, um, she's 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:07.680 presenting this kind of silly, zaney nous and and she's 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.440 also very witty and very fast, and so you really 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.640 need to know what she's talking about to even join in. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.560 So a lot of people are just like, Okay, I'm out. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.320 And I think that's really boundaried of her um and 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.920 so and I think later on, and not to give 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.440 anything away, but I think later on, when when she 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.440 and Luke do have a relationship, or at least a 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.960 deeper relationship, I think he knows how to turn that off. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.919 And I think and I think sometimes he doesn't mind 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.320 because he knows he knows a different version of her, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.440 and so maybe that's safer. And I can't speak to that, Scott, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.240 my assumption. I just think it comes. I just think 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.479 it comes from a sense of entitlement from an upper 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:53.239 crust person and who looking down her nose at working 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.320 class people. I don't. I think no. I think it's 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.440 an aspect of her personality that she can never shake 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.880 because that is in her d n a and she 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.440 feels a sense of entitlement in that town, even though 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.799 she presents different aspects of her personality at different times. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.480 That's one aspect of her personality that I found. And 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.960 I'm not criticizing the actress. I'm not criticizing Lauren. I 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:20.920 don't want to fancy get this wrong. It's just that 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.800 when you when you walk into a diner and say, 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.200 dance for me, Burger boy, you know this kind of thing. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.479 I get it. It's not it's not that big a deal. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.479 It shouldn't land that hard. But at the end of 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.960 the day, if you want to sit around and analyze it, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:39.640 it's not how people operate in a small town. You 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.720 don't think it's flirting. I think you tease and sort 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.920 of rib the ones you love the most, and it's 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.280 like you're testing the waters. I mean, it goes back 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.719 to third grade. Like the boy that pulled your hair 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.920 liked you. He had a crush on you. So that's 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.240 what I think, but it's still hurt. But it's still 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.200 hurt when you pulled my hair, and I may not 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.159 have read it, is you liking me? So you're saying 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.719 that she's kind of gaga for me and she doesn't 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.880 have to express it. And maybe she just didn't even 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.800 know she feels that way. It's unconscious. Maybe on a 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.279 certain level. Yeah, I do, I do, I think, but 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.880 I think it's um but I don't think this, Okay, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:20.440 So again this is pure speculation, but I think this 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.839 is something she developed a long time ago. It was 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.600 a really really protective device with her mother. And I 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.800 think we've all done this before. If you've ever been 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.880 around somebody, whether you like them or you don't like them, 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.640 sometimes you can kind of put on like put on 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.120 my game face and I'm gonna go in here and 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.400 just to be a little more guard a little bit 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.000 more armored up, a little bit more padded up, if 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:44.200 you will, um to be able to deal with this. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.880 But here's the thing and this, and you know, as 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.680 a therapist, I work with this, I work with with 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.800 protective parts of people's personalities. Once that gets turned on, 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.640 it's hard to turn that off. It is because it's 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.960 turned on because it allows you to navigate the environment 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.360 that you're in. So like in my world, when people 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.520 come in to see me, they're like, well, it's not 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.320 working because you're no longer in that environment. Though, so her, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.840 this part that I'm assuming is a is a protector. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.200 I don't know if she can turn it off consciously. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.440 Is their thing? It's their thing now, Scott. I think 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.240 Luke and Lorela I have this thing. She thinks they do. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.800 Maybe he doesn't, though I think he has it too. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.800 I think it goes both ways. But like you were saying, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.840 once in a blue moon, it hurts and it lands weird, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.160 and I don't think he's interpreting it as flirtatious at all, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.239 and it very very well maybe, But she's the type 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:50.640 of personality in that dynamic with Luke where yes, that 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:55.440 that behavior from whence she came now being applied into 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.920 this situation with how Luke makes her feel walking into 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.000 the diner, makes her feel safe, or whatever her feeling is, 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.880 or lust or love or any kind of residual feelings 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.920 she might be having. Um, it's the kind of a 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.800 personality that gets involved with somebody like a Luke where 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.400 they're always having to explain themselves. And they didn't mean 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.040 to say that, you know you you're too sensitive, and 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.600 and and it's a mess because they're always having to 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.440 because like you say, you can't be unlearned. Um, and 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.240 it's you're always sitting that person down saying listen, you 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.320 know that that hurt I didn't. I didn't like if 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.000 Luke ever even gets to that point in the first 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.960 place where he's going to be, you know, so understanding, like, Hey, 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:39.760 you can't come into the diner and talk to me 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.760 that way. You know, it hurts me. It's disrespectful in 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.440 front of my customers. And I'm not a burger boy, 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.120 and don't don't talk to me that way. I'm a 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.480 grown man. I'm not going to dance for you burger boy. Um, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:51.840 that kind of a thing. And I don't mean to 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.559 make you know, uh something. But this is a great point. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.960 Does it to her too? How where when I think 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:05.840 there's plenty of times when Luke makes little joke isn't 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.600 the right word, sarcasm isn't quite the right word, But 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.480 it's sort of all of those things where if she's 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.080 sort of having a bad day, it could land weird 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.040 on her. But really it's just your way. It's the 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.959 way of Luke and Lora Lie their protectors. I mean 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:25.120 to me, they're both protectors though you know the Yeah, 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.760 the grumpiness keeps people at bay from you. You're in 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:33.200 the middle of a very small town. Everybody's in everybody's business. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:34.960 I mean, I don't want to ask you a lot 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:36.760 of questions. You're gonna buy my head off. I mean, 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:41.319 that's a very effective way to have a boundary. Come 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:47.679 behind the counter, Suki. But I really think that this 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:53.559 is this These are two social classes being smashed together 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.959 and conflicting. That's what it is. It's he comes from 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.800 a certain social lass. She comes from on high and 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:07.200 she's lowering herself and it's very comfortable being in that 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.520 town surrounded by supporting, lovely people that she can express 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.800 love for. But she's boundary with all of them, though 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.600 she's want boundaried with all of them. Yes, she kind 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:22.000 of does that little stick with everybody does. With the 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.800 exception Suki ceased through it sometimes. That's why she asked 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.240 the questions. And then you'll see You'll see Suki will 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.040 kind of poke a little bit because she knows her 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.280 and you'll see Loralai get more what we what we 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.920 consider more defensive and more irritated with it. Yeah, but 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:43.360 even dismissive, very dismissive. But and there's a scene in 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.199 the one of the first episodes when I rant and 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:51.800 rave at her before like get get out from behind 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.200 my counter thing, which I thought was really over the top, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.520 which meant actually something else over hearing them talking about 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.839 Max Matin, it just pissed him off, Like does this woman? 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.120 Is this woman so unconscious that she's doing this right 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:04.600 in front of me? Doesn't she know how I feel? 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.400 And I don't know, So I'm mad at myself. I'm 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:07.800 mad at her that kind of thing, because I don't 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.600 have the guts to to say anything. But she was 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:16.720 condescending to Melissa, I mean, to Tasuki in the conversation prior, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.120 because there was she said something. There was a you know, 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.560 a little word play that Laurela does and went right 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:28.040 over Suki's head and and Laurel I just went, never mind, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.720 you know, you're not smart enough to figure it out 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.440 kind of a thing, you know what I mean? And 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.600 that's okay between I guess that's sort of okay, But yes, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.760 it does, it does show itself with other characters. Yeah, yeah, well, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.160 I mean, you know, the beauty of this is she's 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.720 perfectly imperfect though. But the other thing, I have to 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.840 say it again with my my therapist part, this part 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.360 of her, this kind of silly part. You have to 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:57.520 you know, she what she left at sixteen. Okay, so 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.080 she left at sixteen, So I guess would be this 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.520 isn't a new aspect to her. This is probably something 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.920 that she's been doing a long time to protect herself 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.080 from her mother and and those around her that she 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.240 didn't fit in with. So sometimes when sometimes I think 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.200 when this comes out, you're dealing with a teenager girl. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.760 This part is not this part is this part is 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.680 not an adult and teenagers you know, it's a case 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:32.840 of arrested emotional development. Yeah. Absolutely. Her personality, yes, yeah, exactly. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.480 And the and the cool thing about it though, that 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.199 I that I really value in the writing of this though, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.600 is that it's really like sometimes that part of her 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:48.480 personality is so useful. You know, it's very disarming, d escalates, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:52.240 it's great in the job that she has, very charming, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.600 it makes her very approachable. But like you said, when 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.440 someone's trying to get to know her, and that part 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.240 comes out, which it's almost most um, it's automatic because 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.199 we don't know, we're not pretty, because it's a drama. 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.000 We don't know what she's protecting. When she walks into 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:14.400 this town. We don't know. And and we know that 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.600 we've seen it because we'll see it later on that 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.000 she is pretty vulnerable. And when and I didn't notice too, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.400 when the character is when your character and her character 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.160 are alone together, they do speak differently. The guard goes 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.640 down on both of you, and then when there's somebody around, 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.800 it comes back up. It's almost like the I always 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.920 look at it like the you know, when you like 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.520 somebody and your teenager and people are picking on you, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.120 and so you want to just avoid that. And so 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.800 the whole town, I mean, these are two very attractive people, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.520 they're single. People are gonna want to see him together, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.199 and there's all this speculation. So how do you protect 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.280 from that? Well, I don't, I don't show it. I'm 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.959 gonna treat him the way I treat everybody else. That way, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.360 you can't pick on me. Right. The scene that really 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.920 brought it home for me about the sheer devastation to 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.880 that family and Emily and Richard and the crushing disappointment 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.840 that they experienced when she had to cancel. They had 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:11.000 to cancel her her coming out party, her debutante uh 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:15.720 ball um, and that scene really drove the point home 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:20.400 about how utterly disappointed and how shamed and how crushed 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:25.040 they were by by Laurel I Um sixteen years prior 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.640 when Rory brought down the yearbook and said these pictures 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.520 and allow pretty. Mom was so yeah, that was right 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.480 before her. That was her dress for the debutante ball Oh. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.360 I didn't know she had one, And Emily says she 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:43.720 didn't and that's her protector. Yes, yes, they don't acknowledge 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.800 it in a way like and she was pregnant with you. 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.080 It was this. It was hushed and then you feel 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.240 shame and it's what you did to me, what you 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.120 did to me. So to the other side of this, 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.800 because you know that everybody's got it her perspective on it. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.040 So to the other side of this, Laurel I lives 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.080 with Look what I did to my parents. They will 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:11.320 never forgive me. What drove her to do some of 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.640 her crazy stuff before probably she was then accepted in 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:20.440 that world. Are seen Um well, not after she got pregnant. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.840 but I always think what led up to that? Yeah, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.760 what led up to that? It wasn't like right, there 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.680 was a reason she got pregnant. I like in Emily. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.520 Sometimes I think she's got more cooth. But I like 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.440 in Emily sometimes with Paris, I'm thinking, what would Paris 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.320 be like as a mom? It's not gonna be about me. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.360 It's always going to be about how do I make 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.640 you look good? Um, and so I can only imagine. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.320 I mean, no one's gonna call Child Protective Services on them. 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.200 They didn't do anything like that. But but she I 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.520 don't think she was seen, and in that kind of environment, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.960 it's so much more important. At least that's what we 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:58.120 see in the show, that you need to appear this way. 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:06.720 This is what we do. Yeah, this is why Scott, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.280 we're able to have a podcast like this where we 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:16.200 talk about each episode because these characters, Yours, Lauren's, Alexis 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.359 are so complicated. They really are very very flawed characters. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.040 Very very flawed characters make the most interesting character. If 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.560 there were one dimensional, this podcast would be so boring 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.040 and the show wouldn't be very good either. But I know, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.000 it's a drama TI, so they can't go into the 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.160 you know, and I appreciate that too because it's I think, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.119 let's make it fun. But but yeah, they are complex. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.400 I mean, all the main characters, you get to see 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.600 all the different sides of them. Um. But I was thinking, 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.800 even when you guys finally come together, right before we 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.640 have the big kiss, both of you are armored up 0:16:52.120 --> 0:17:01.000 so heavily. Wait a minute, we kiss. Oh no, I'm 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:05.119 just I'm kidding. I'm just being stupid. But right before 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.080 that happens, and there's this whole incident with that, he 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.280 tries to talk to her and find out You're like, 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.000 I'm not a mysterious man here, and she's like, well 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:16.800 the clothes, you know, the the clothes are a little 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.199 bit of a head scratcher. But right there he's like 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.320 stop and she goes into her protective place, and then 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.240 he goes into his protective place, kind of that grumpiness. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.359 Be straight with me. And then right before it happens, 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.080 they both just kind of drop it. She drops it 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.679 and she's vulnerable and she actually tells you, yeah, you 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.639 were right. What you saw was right. There was a 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.679 moment what she says, and then he actually takes action. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.919 So in that moment they're able to both kind of 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.320 drop the guard. But they were there right there. The 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.040 guards were still up right until that moment. Yeah, I 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.760 think they both feared well. I think I can't speak 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.480 for her, um, but I think it took me four 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.400 years because I was so absolutely terified of being rejected 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:06.000 by her. Because I was already being rejected by her. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:13.200 The way she spoke to me, her attitude toward me specifically, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.440 and the ability that you know, the the the arrested 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.680 development that gave her the license to say, dance dance 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.679 for me, Burger boy, that kind of a thing. It's like, 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.199 I love this woman. I know she's been disrespectful to me. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:32.840 I know this isn't gonna work. I'm not from her world. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:37.280 I can't function in that world. That's a that that 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.480 world of money and and and privilege and power is 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.879 alien to me. I can't swim in those waters. I 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:48.159 still love her. Do you think that's how Luke feels, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.520 even though it might not actually be true that Luke 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.000 feels less than or I'm not from her world, even 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.240 though Laura La doesn't think that at all. Is that 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.960 Luke's sort of I don't know his law, his kip 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.119 on his shoulder. But that's I think that's the sixty 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.520 four tho dollar question. Does she feel that I I 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:14.200 don't think so, but we have a long road ahead 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.440 and if she doesn't, but there are times that she 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.480 sort of slips and lets out that she does feel 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.240 that way, that she does feel better than or that 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.720 she does like since one has a person from that 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:34.760 social standing not felt that way having fallen, especially, they're 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.760 going to overcompensate in a situation where they've fallen from 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.120 such a great height. And now they're in this small 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:45.520 town you know, um, and she's dealing with all her issues, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.199 you know, and trying to sort out her life and 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.840 now she's back involved with her mom, mom and dad, 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.760 who you know what I'm saying. So it's triggering her 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.280 in all these all these ways that she can't control 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.879 or predict, and it's coming out of me, it's coming 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.359 out at her daughter. It's like like I said before 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.520 earlier in the podcast. And and maybe you can help 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.240 me with this, um. You know, I put myself in 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:11.080 the situation where I'm with my dad, my mom's gone, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.959 and and and uh, I'm sixteen years old and I 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.880 wake up one morning and there's my science teacher sleeping 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.159 on the couch, Mrs Clark, And like, Dad, what are 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.240 you doing? Are you dating her? What's that? What's happened? 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.320 I mean, that's a small town. That's such a scandal 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.320 in a small town that nobody would do that, which 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.000 is you know, again, we already had a debate about 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:37.479 suspension of disbelief, But what's your take on that, about 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.520 that particular about that kind of behavior taking that like 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.879 having no sense of boundaries to protect their own child. 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.600 And I'm I don't set mean to sound so critical, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.119 but I just I do want to get into a 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.679 debate with you or a discussion with you about that, 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:57.840 because it's still kind of bugs me a little bit. Okay, well, okay, 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:04.280 so the whole MAXI Me Dina thing. Okay, So I 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:11.000 watched her so on the porch. You watch these two 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:16.280 aspects of her. The responsible mom was trying to explain, 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.480 and then you had the woman that was very attracted 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.639 And here's an opportunity, right right. Um. You know, and 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.600 I always want to tell people, you know, the the 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.760 reason that you and I are all sitting here is 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:30.639 because there's a basic biological need that's very strong and 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.320 it's gonna happen, and so it's in it. And you know, 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.120 I don't know her history, and I don't know how 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.720 long it was, but obviously we know which one one 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.400 in that moment, and so we could say in that 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:50.920 moment that that part of her over road the responsible part, 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:55.200 and it was, and it was. It was not an 0:21:55.240 --> 0:22:00.399 ideal situation. And I think the next day, when some 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:04.600 of that has kind of calmed down, she realizes it. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.480 M Well, I think one of the positive things that 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.359 you can take away from it, at least from Rory's perspective, 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:13.119 is that it's going to make her grow up a 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.840 heck of a lot faster, because at times, who's raising 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:20.919 who mm hmm. That's right, yes, because Lorel had a 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.919 child at sixteen, and she ran away at sixteen, and 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.439 she had to kind of find her own way, and 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.360 so yeah, we don't we do know when trauma happens, 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.560 you know, depending on how often it happens, we do 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.760 have parts of us that are kind of stuck in 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:37.200 that time and and she's you know, not doing therapy 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.640 or anything like that to get these parts updated. So 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:43.480 we do see her make impulsive you know, and you know, 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.080 and and again as a therapist that a lot of 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.679 times when people do things that are really impulsive, like 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.200 what you're talking about, Scott, they are not operating at 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:56.320 their age. They are operating it like my seventeen year 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.160 old came out and you know, the door was open 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.480 and she just took off and and so they're not 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:05.440 in that space. And so it's not an ideal situation. UM. 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.440 I mean, obviously it adds to the drama of the show. Well. 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.840 And sometimes yeah, sometimes we just make a bad decision 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.560 because we want to make out with the hottie with 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:18.480