1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, just you, I am all in? 2 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: What Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast? Everybody? Uh, 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: I am Scott Patterson and this is the I Am 4 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: all in podcast from my Heart Radio. We are going 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: to We got an email from a fan, a woman 6 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: named Kim down in Dallas, Texas, and she happens to 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: be um a therapist. You know, we want to get 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: into it with her and and kind of break down, 9 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: you know, the episode and and sort of look a 10 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: little deeper under the hood into what is making these 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: characters tick and and why they're imperfect. And you know, 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: maybe we can sort of change the oil or tightness 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: screw here and there, you know, for your advocation or 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: for our own, and see why these characters are imperfect 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: and why they're interacting in the way that they're interacting 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: and reacting and overreacting and underreacting, you know, all kinds 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: of psychobabble, and it's it's just gonna be a fun 18 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: exploration with Kim. Yeah, it's a little therapy session. It's 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: kind of a little therapy session. I think it's a 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: good idea to do that every once in a while 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: on the podcast, Kim help me with my max obsession. 22 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: You know, I need to just relax and be free 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: of it. But um you know, I I you know, 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: I got to be true to how I feel. I'm 25 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: really feeling these things. So it's it's really not a 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: therapy session for me. It's it's it's really for us 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: to sort of dissect, you know, why these what makes 28 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: these characters tick. And I think I think it's really 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: fascinating because these are very very complex, um uh and 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: deeply drawn characters. I mean, these are not your average 31 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: TV characters. So there's a lot going on here, a 32 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: lot of generational stuff, a lot of conflict, and we're 33 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna put our little brains together and form 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: a little rock pile and see if we can figure 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: it out. And is she is she waiting? She's in 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: the waiting room. Okay, let's bring her in. Hey, Kim, Kim, 37 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: lay it on us, because this is a little debate 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: I've been wanting to have. Okay, so what exactly I'm 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: And I think I'm nervous too, I'm like, am I am? I? Am? 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: I debating because I want to say this. This is 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: not to negate nor minimize Luke's feelings towards her towards 42 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: this mocking behavior. So because the feelings are the feeling, 43 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: so I always want to know from a therapist. So 44 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: feelings are big, um, so, so this is not to 45 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: negate so and so if if it's if it's hurtful, 46 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: it's hurtful. But I'm just wondering if there's a possible 47 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: different perspective, does that land differently? So who walks into 48 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: a diner that's respectful and says dance burger boy, Okay, 49 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: that's right, freaking break you know what, You're right, You're right. 50 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: It is mocking and like I said, he has every 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: reason to have his feelings, you know, be offended by it, 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: have his feelings hurt by it, and so not everything 53 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: that she does is um, I don't think it's intended 54 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: to be hurtful, but I still think it can be hurtful. 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: But I do think that her that personality, that aspect 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: of her personality. I do think it's protective and I 57 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: do think she's had it for a long time. Um. 58 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, like I said in the email, Luke's got 59 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: this grumpiness and it's a natural boundary. I think there's 60 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: like later on episodes where he's like, who's gonna He's 61 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: gonna call me on anything, He's gonna ask me anything. 62 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: And I think it's harder when you're a female to 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: do that. I mean, we know, we know some women 64 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: that do that, but it's hard to do that. So 65 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: it's a very approachable, amiable type of personality. But I 66 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: think it's also a very boundary in that, um, she's 67 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: presenting this kind of silly, zaney nous and and she's 68 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: also very witty and very fast, and so you really 69 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: need to know what she's talking about to even join in. 70 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: So a lot of people are just like, Okay, I'm out. 71 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's really boundaried of her um and 72 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: so and I think later on, and not to give 73 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: anything away, but I think later on, when when she 74 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: and Luke do have a relationship, or at least a 75 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: deeper relationship, I think he knows how to turn that off. 76 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: And I think and I think sometimes he doesn't mind 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: because he knows he knows a different version of her, 78 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: and so maybe that's safer. And I can't speak to that, Scott, 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: my assumption. I just think it comes. I just think 80 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: it comes from a sense of entitlement from an upper 81 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 1: crust person and who looking down her nose at working 82 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: class people. I don't. I think no. I think it's 83 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: an aspect of her personality that she can never shake 84 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: because that is in her d n a and she 85 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: feels a sense of entitlement in that town, even though 86 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: she presents different aspects of her personality at different times. 87 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: That's one aspect of her personality that I found. And 88 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing the actress. I'm not criticizing Lauren. I 89 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: don't want to fancy get this wrong. It's just that 90 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: when you when you walk into a diner and say, 91 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: dance for me, Burger boy, you know this kind of thing. 92 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: I get it. It's not it's not that big a deal. 93 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: It shouldn't land that hard. But at the end of 94 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: the day, if you want to sit around and analyze it, 95 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: it's not how people operate in a small town. You 96 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: don't think it's flirting. I think you tease and sort 97 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: of rib the ones you love the most, and it's 98 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: like you're testing the waters. I mean, it goes back 99 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: to third grade. Like the boy that pulled your hair 100 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: liked you. He had a crush on you. So that's 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: what I think, but it's still hurt. But it's still 102 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: hurt when you pulled my hair, and I may not 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: have read it, is you liking me? So you're saying 104 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: that she's kind of gaga for me and she doesn't 105 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: have to express it. And maybe she just didn't even 106 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: know she feels that way. It's unconscious. Maybe on a 107 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: certain level. Yeah, I do, I do, I think, but 108 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: I think it's um but I don't think this, Okay, 109 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: So again this is pure speculation, but I think this 110 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: is something she developed a long time ago. It was 111 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: a really really protective device with her mother. And I 112 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: think we've all done this before. If you've ever been 113 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: around somebody, whether you like them or you don't like them, 114 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: sometimes you can kind of put on like put on 115 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: my game face and I'm gonna go in here and 116 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: just to be a little more guard a little bit 117 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: more armored up, a little bit more padded up, if 118 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: you will, um to be able to deal with this. 119 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: But here's the thing and this, and you know, as 120 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: a therapist, I work with this, I work with with 121 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: protective parts of people's personalities. Once that gets turned on, 122 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to turn that off. It is because it's 123 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: turned on because it allows you to navigate the environment 124 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: that you're in. So like in my world, when people 125 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: come in to see me, they're like, well, it's not 126 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: working because you're no longer in that environment. Though, so her, 127 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: this part that I'm assuming is a is a protector. 128 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if she can turn it off consciously. 129 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Is their thing? It's their thing now, Scott. I think 130 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Luke and Lorela I have this thing. She thinks they do. 131 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't, though I think he has it too. 132 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: I think it goes both ways. But like you were saying, 133 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: once in a blue moon, it hurts and it lands weird, 134 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: and I don't think he's interpreting it as flirtatious at all, 135 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: and it very very well maybe, But she's the type 136 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: of personality in that dynamic with Luke where yes, that 137 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: that behavior from whence she came now being applied into 138 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: this situation with how Luke makes her feel walking into 139 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: the diner, makes her feel safe, or whatever her feeling is, 140 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: or lust or love or any kind of residual feelings 141 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: she might be having. Um, it's the kind of a 142 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: personality that gets involved with somebody like a Luke where 143 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: they're always having to explain themselves. And they didn't mean 144 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: to say that, you know you you're too sensitive, and 145 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: and and it's a mess because they're always having to 146 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: because like you say, you can't be unlearned. Um, and 147 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: it's you're always sitting that person down saying listen, you 148 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: know that that hurt I didn't. I didn't like if 149 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: Luke ever even gets to that point in the first 150 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: place where he's going to be, you know, so understanding, like, Hey, 151 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: you can't come into the diner and talk to me 152 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: that way. You know, it hurts me. It's disrespectful in 153 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: front of my customers. And I'm not a burger boy, 154 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: and don't don't talk to me that way. I'm a 155 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: grown man. I'm not going to dance for you burger boy. Um, 156 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: that kind of a thing. And I don't mean to 157 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: make you know, uh something. But this is a great point. 158 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Does it to her too? How where when I think 159 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: there's plenty of times when Luke makes little joke isn't 160 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: the right word, sarcasm isn't quite the right word, But 161 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: it's sort of all of those things where if she's 162 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: sort of having a bad day, it could land weird 163 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: on her. But really it's just your way. It's the 164 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: way of Luke and Lora Lie their protectors. I mean 165 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: to me, they're both protectors though you know the Yeah, 166 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: the grumpiness keeps people at bay from you. You're in 167 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: the middle of a very small town. Everybody's in everybody's business. 168 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to ask you a lot 169 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: of questions. You're gonna buy my head off. I mean, 170 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: that's a very effective way to have a boundary. Come 171 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: behind the counter, Suki. But I really think that this 172 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: is this These are two social classes being smashed together 173 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: and conflicting. That's what it is. It's he comes from 174 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: a certain social lass. She comes from on high and 175 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: she's lowering herself and it's very comfortable being in that 176 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: town surrounded by supporting, lovely people that she can express 177 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: love for. But she's boundary with all of them, though 178 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: she's want boundaried with all of them. Yes, she kind 179 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: of does that little stick with everybody does. With the 180 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: exception Suki ceased through it sometimes. That's why she asked 181 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: the questions. And then you'll see You'll see Suki will 182 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: kind of poke a little bit because she knows her 183 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: and you'll see Loralai get more what we what we 184 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: consider more defensive and more irritated with it. Yeah, but 185 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: even dismissive, very dismissive. But and there's a scene in 186 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: the one of the first episodes when I rant and 187 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: rave at her before like get get out from behind 188 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: my counter thing, which I thought was really over the top, 189 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: which meant actually something else over hearing them talking about 190 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: Max Matin, it just pissed him off, Like does this woman? 191 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: Is this woman so unconscious that she's doing this right 192 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: in front of me? Doesn't she know how I feel? 193 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: And I don't know, So I'm mad at myself. I'm 194 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: mad at her that kind of thing, because I don't 195 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: have the guts to to say anything. But she was 196 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: condescending to Melissa, I mean, to Tasuki in the conversation prior, 197 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: because there was she said something. There was a you know, 198 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: a little word play that Laurela does and went right 199 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: over Suki's head and and Laurel I just went, never mind, 200 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're not smart enough to figure it out 201 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: kind of a thing, you know what I mean? And 202 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: that's okay between I guess that's sort of okay, But yes, 203 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: it does, it does show itself with other characters. Yeah, yeah, well, 204 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the beauty of this is she's 205 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: perfectly imperfect though. But the other thing, I have to 206 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: say it again with my my therapist part, this part 207 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: of her, this kind of silly part. You have to 208 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, she what she left at sixteen. Okay, so 209 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: she left at sixteen, So I guess would be this 210 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: isn't a new aspect to her. This is probably something 211 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: that she's been doing a long time to protect herself 212 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: from her mother and and those around her that she 213 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: didn't fit in with. So sometimes when sometimes I think 214 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: when this comes out, you're dealing with a teenager girl. 215 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: This part is not this part is this part is 216 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: not an adult and teenagers you know, it's a case 217 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: of arrested emotional development. Yeah. Absolutely. Her personality, yes, yeah, exactly. 218 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: And the and the cool thing about it though, that 219 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: I that I really value in the writing of this though, 220 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: is that it's really like sometimes that part of her 221 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: personality is so useful. You know, it's very disarming, d escalates, 222 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: it's great in the job that she has, very charming, 223 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: it makes her very approachable. But like you said, when 224 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: someone's trying to get to know her, and that part 225 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: comes out, which it's almost most um, it's automatic because 226 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: we don't know, we're not pretty, because it's a drama. 227 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: We don't know what she's protecting. When she walks into 228 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: this town. We don't know. And and we know that 229 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: we've seen it because we'll see it later on that 230 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: she is pretty vulnerable. And when and I didn't notice too, 231 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: when the character is when your character and her character 232 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: are alone together, they do speak differently. The guard goes 233 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: down on both of you, and then when there's somebody around, 234 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: it comes back up. It's almost like the I always 235 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: look at it like the you know, when you like 236 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: somebody and your teenager and people are picking on you, 237 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: and so you want to just avoid that. And so 238 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: the whole town, I mean, these are two very attractive people, 239 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: they're single. People are gonna want to see him together, 240 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: and there's all this speculation. So how do you protect 241 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: from that? Well, I don't, I don't show it. I'm 242 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: gonna treat him the way I treat everybody else. That way, 243 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: you can't pick on me. Right. The scene that really 244 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: brought it home for me about the sheer devastation to 245 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: that family and Emily and Richard and the crushing disappointment 246 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: that they experienced when she had to cancel. They had 247 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: to cancel her her coming out party, her debutante uh 248 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: ball um, and that scene really drove the point home 249 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: about how utterly disappointed and how shamed and how crushed 250 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: they were by by Laurel I Um sixteen years prior 251 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: when Rory brought down the yearbook and said these pictures 252 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: and allow pretty. Mom was so yeah, that was right 253 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: before her. That was her dress for the debutante ball Oh. 254 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know she had one, And Emily says she 255 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: didn't and that's her protector. Yes, yes, they don't acknowledge 256 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: it in a way like and she was pregnant with you. 257 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: It was this. It was hushed and then you feel 258 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: shame and it's what you did to me, what you 259 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: did to me. So to the other side of this, 260 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: because you know that everybody's got it her perspective on it. 261 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: So to the other side of this, Laurel I lives 262 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: with Look what I did to my parents. They will 263 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: never forgive me. What drove her to do some of 264 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: her crazy stuff before probably she was then accepted in 265 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: that world. Are seen Um well, not after she got pregnant. Yeah, yeah, 266 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: but I always think what led up to that? Yeah, 267 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: what led up to that? It wasn't like right, there 268 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: was a reason she got pregnant. I like in Emily. 269 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes I think she's got more cooth. But I like 270 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: in Emily sometimes with Paris, I'm thinking, what would Paris 271 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: be like as a mom? It's not gonna be about me. 272 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: It's always going to be about how do I make 273 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: you look good? Um, and so I can only imagine. 274 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: I mean, no one's gonna call Child Protective Services on them. 275 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: They didn't do anything like that. But but she I 276 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: don't think she was seen, and in that kind of environment, 277 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: it's so much more important. At least that's what we 278 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: see in the show, that you need to appear this way. 279 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: This is what we do. Yeah, this is why Scott, 280 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: we're able to have a podcast like this where we 281 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: talk about each episode because these characters, Yours, Lauren's, Alexis 282 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,359 Speaker 1: are so complicated. They really are very very flawed characters. 283 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Very very flawed characters make the most interesting character. If 284 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: there were one dimensional, this podcast would be so boring 285 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: and the show wouldn't be very good either. But I know, 286 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: it's a drama TI, so they can't go into the 287 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I appreciate that too because it's I think, 288 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,119 Speaker 1: let's make it fun. But but yeah, they are complex. 289 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, all the main characters, you get to see 290 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: all the different sides of them. Um. But I was thinking, 291 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: even when you guys finally come together, right before we 292 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: have the big kiss, both of you are armored up 293 00:16:52,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: so heavily. Wait a minute, we kiss. Oh no, I'm 294 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: just I'm kidding. I'm just being stupid. But right before 295 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: that happens, and there's this whole incident with that, he 296 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: tries to talk to her and find out You're like, 297 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a mysterious man here, and she's like, well 298 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: the clothes, you know, the the clothes are a little 299 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: bit of a head scratcher. But right there he's like 300 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: stop and she goes into her protective place, and then 301 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: he goes into his protective place, kind of that grumpiness. 302 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: Be straight with me. And then right before it happens, 303 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: they both just kind of drop it. She drops it 304 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: and she's vulnerable and she actually tells you, yeah, you 305 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: were right. What you saw was right. There was a 306 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: moment what she says, and then he actually takes action. 307 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: So in that moment they're able to both kind of 308 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: drop the guard. But they were there right there. The 309 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: guards were still up right until that moment. Yeah, I 310 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: think they both feared well. I think I can't speak 311 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: for her, um, but I think it took me four 312 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: years because I was so absolutely terified of being rejected 313 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: by her. Because I was already being rejected by her. 314 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: The way she spoke to me, her attitude toward me specifically, 315 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: and the ability that you know, the the the arrested 316 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: development that gave her the license to say, dance dance 317 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: for me, Burger boy, that kind of a thing. It's like, 318 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: I love this woman. I know she's been disrespectful to me. 319 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: I know this isn't gonna work. I'm not from her world. 320 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: I can't function in that world. That's a that that 321 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: world of money and and and privilege and power is 322 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: alien to me. I can't swim in those waters. I 323 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: still love her. Do you think that's how Luke feels, 324 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: even though it might not actually be true that Luke 325 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: feels less than or I'm not from her world, even 326 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: though Laura La doesn't think that at all. Is that 327 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: Luke's sort of I don't know his law, his kip 328 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: on his shoulder. But that's I think that's the sixty 329 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: four tho dollar question. Does she feel that I I 330 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: don't think so, but we have a long road ahead 331 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: and if she doesn't, but there are times that she 332 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: sort of slips and lets out that she does feel 333 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: that way, that she does feel better than or that 334 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: she does like since one has a person from that 335 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: social standing not felt that way having fallen, especially, they're 336 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: going to overcompensate in a situation where they've fallen from 337 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: such a great height. And now they're in this small 338 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: town you know, um, and she's dealing with all her issues, 339 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: you know, and trying to sort out her life and 340 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: now she's back involved with her mom, mom and dad, 341 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: who you know what I'm saying. So it's triggering her 342 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: in all these all these ways that she can't control 343 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: or predict, and it's coming out of me, it's coming 344 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: out at her daughter. It's like like I said before 345 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: earlier in the podcast. And and maybe you can help 346 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: me with this, um. You know, I put myself in 347 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: the situation where I'm with my dad, my mom's gone, 348 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: and and and uh, I'm sixteen years old and I 349 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: wake up one morning and there's my science teacher sleeping 350 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: on the couch, Mrs Clark, And like, Dad, what are 351 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: you doing? Are you dating her? What's that? What's happened? 352 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a small town. That's such a scandal 353 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: in a small town that nobody would do that, which 354 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: is you know, again, we already had a debate about 355 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 1: suspension of disbelief, But what's your take on that, about 356 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: that particular about that kind of behavior taking that like 357 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: having no sense of boundaries to protect their own child. 358 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: And I'm I don't set mean to sound so critical, 359 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: but I just I do want to get into a 360 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: debate with you or a discussion with you about that, 361 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: because it's still kind of bugs me a little bit. Okay, well, okay, 362 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: so the whole MAXI Me Dina thing. Okay, So I 363 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: watched her so on the porch. You watch these two 364 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: aspects of her. The responsible mom was trying to explain, 365 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: and then you had the woman that was very attracted 366 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: And here's an opportunity, right right. Um. You know, and 367 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: I always want to tell people, you know, the the 368 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: reason that you and I are all sitting here is 369 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: because there's a basic biological need that's very strong and 370 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, and so it's in it. And you know, 371 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: I don't know her history, and I don't know how 372 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: long it was, but obviously we know which one one 373 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: in that moment, and so we could say in that 374 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: moment that that part of her over road the responsible part, 375 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: and it was, and it was. It was not an 376 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: ideal situation. And I think the next day, when some 377 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: of that has kind of calmed down, she realizes it. 378 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: M Well, I think one of the positive things that 379 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: you can take away from it, at least from Rory's perspective, 380 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: is that it's going to make her grow up a 381 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: heck of a lot faster, because at times, who's raising 382 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: who mm hmm. That's right, yes, because Lorel had a 383 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: child at sixteen, and she ran away at sixteen, and 384 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: she had to kind of find her own way, and 385 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: so yeah, we don't we do know when trauma happens, 386 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, depending on how often it happens, we do 387 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: have parts of us that are kind of stuck in 388 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: that time and and she's you know, not doing therapy 389 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: or anything like that to get these parts updated. So 390 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: we do see her make impulsive you know, and you know, 391 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: and and again as a therapist that a lot of 392 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: times when people do things that are really impulsive, like 393 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Scott, they are not operating at 394 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: their age. They are operating it like my seventeen year 395 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: old came out and you know, the door was open 396 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: and she just took off and and so they're not 397 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: in that space. And so it's not an ideal situation. UM. 398 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it adds to the drama of the show. Well. 399 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: And sometimes yeah, sometimes we just make a bad decision 400 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: because we want to make out with the hottie with 401 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: the mustang, with funny teacher, great hair guy and the 402 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: you know, and he you know, I don't want to 403 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: play too much in the Max with anything. But he 404 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: does appeal to that part of her. He has to 405 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: build that There are um unlike you know, and like 406 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: Luke where she I think she she is very protective 407 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: because she doesn't want anybody to see it. She doesn't 408 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: want and I think she is scared of loss of 409 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: that relationship, um Max Medina. He just lays it out there. 410 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: There is no questioning, there is no guessing. He lays 411 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: it out there exactly, and so there may be some 412 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: part of her that's relieved. I don't have to, I 413 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, guess what's happening here. I 414 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: know exactly what his intentions are and and it's very 415 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: and it is appealing to her on some level. And 416 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: I do think in that moment she probably wasn't fully 417 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: thinking from the mom brain right. The risk Scott of 418 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: Laura la liking Luke is so much bigger and greater 419 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: than her liking the hot teach its absolutely, do you 420 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: know why? Because she's in control with Max, he is 421 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: unwittingly providing her the ammunition to completely sabotage that relationship 422 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: because he is letting his guard down. And I don't 423 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: know if that's a terribly good idea for any man 424 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: to do that with a personality like Laurela. And I 425 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: think that that Luke doesn't give into that, that's true 426 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: because maybe on a certain level he knows that his 427 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: only chance is to just clam up, not play into 428 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: that stuff, and just be himself and play the waiting game, 429 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: which he did any want. And because shows up every 430 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: day she does, She shows up every day. You could 431 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: eat somewhere else I mean, I know it's a small 432 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: town with the place across the street is probably weird, 433 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: but yeah, well he does like her coffee. But seriously, 434 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: we you know, if you've ever frequented this space, and 435 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: any time, if you're dating anybody, you could go somewhere else. 436 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: There's a reason why you keep showing up though. But 437 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: yet you can cook for her, but she she continues 438 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: to to send out AMMO to me, to Max to 439 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: use against her. She just continues unconsciously. Today it's not safe, 440 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: you know, again speculation here. If you're not seen in 441 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: your household, this isn't safe. It's not safe to be vulnerable. 442 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: And we learned that really early on. You know, your 443 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: sentiment relationship is with your parents. How safe are you? 444 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: And so it is really difficult not to not to 445 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: pick on parents here, but it is our first sentiment relationship. 446 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: And so if I don't get that, and then we 447 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: know it's sixteen, she's out the door and she's trying 448 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: to figure out she's raising a child. Um, but this 449 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: relationships are dangerous, and so Max is obvious. What you 450 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: see is what you get. Luke's scary, right, right, right, Yeah, 451 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: he's scary. I don't really, they're like sometimes and they're both. 452 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: I think in the in the was it the second 453 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: episode when she goes up and she shows up early 454 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: out out of her normal time, and she tells him, 455 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: you know that somebody asks her out. You can look, 456 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: you can watch her, and she's seeing if he does 457 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: a reaction because he cares exactly, because he's so poker 458 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: face exactly. That's why she brings it up to him. 459 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: It's the dance began from the moment we meet them, 460 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: so obviously it was going before. Ye. It is from 461 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: moment one when she says to Rory, do you think 462 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: Luke is cute? That's the ultimate admitting that you like 463 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: someone well, and then Rory if you remember what Roy, 464 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: Because Rory doesn't even know the two closest people, she 465 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: doesn't feel safe enough to let the two closest people 466 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: you know this very intimate thing. And so she tested 467 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: it and then she gets feedback and it's like okay. 468 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: And so again I don't know how conscious she is 469 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: in doing some of this, but it is a safe 470 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: way to have access to him, and and when she 471 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: says things that are provocative, she does have his attention. 472 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: So it's almost like she is having a relationship with 473 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: him without having to worry about relationship with him. Absolutely, 474 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: it's this thing and I mean, you know, and it's 475 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: it's so it's a safe it's because it's that it's 476 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: that place and you know, And that's the thing with 477 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: with these protector parts that we can have, like that 478 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: their job is to keep me from getting hurt. But 479 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: that thing that she's doing, you're like, well, it's going 480 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: to hurt you because I don't want to come in 481 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: close to you when that's apparent, when that's active in you, 482 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: and it in this episode, Scott, you know what, we 483 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: talked about it right from the start, the pain I 484 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: felt seeing Luke seeing her with Max, it was so real. Yeah, 485 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: that's very palpable. That was Those were the the eyes 486 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: and the feelings in the face of a poker player 487 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: who may have been flogging himself for not staying in 488 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: the game or at least not aiding up. Those re 489 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: enactors felt it too. Did you not think that the 490 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: reenactors were like, oh no, because they can see it, 491 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: but they know the only two people that don't know 492 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: would be looking at everybody else, right, But nobody wants 493 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: to take on Luke and get their head ripped off, 494 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: and nobody wants to play Laurralize Witty. Where the hell 495 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: is this going game that I don't have time to 496 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: get pulled into. So it's they're they're very protected, they're 497 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: very protective. But yeah, but that's why I really enjoyed 498 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: playing the role. It was because I knew my love 499 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: for her was pure. I didn't know whether it was 500 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: going to work on any level, and I didn't particularly 501 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: care about her fear. I was. I was enveloped in 502 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: in my fear a little bit, but I wasn't going 503 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: to change myself in order to become so vulnerable because 504 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: I probably didn't intellectually understand that that was not the 505 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: thing to do with her. I probably just simply sensed it. Yeah, 506 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: And it's like when you're in death and there's that 507 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: much fear, you don't make a move. And I think 508 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: it took so much. That's absolutely true that there's a 509 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: there's a right, there's a paralysis there, and that's what 510 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: was so I think unique about this relationship in the 511 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: whole canon of TV lovers and TV because of these 512 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: seriously flawed people who were terrified of one another. And 513 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: and and you're right about, um, the way we are 514 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: imprinted by our parents and how they and how we 515 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: sort of mirror them throughout our lives. And um, you know, 516 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: I had one parent that not to analyze myself, But 517 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: I had one parent who used humor to keep distance. 518 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 1: And that's all he did. He was just you know, 519 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: he was fast and funny and clever and smart as 520 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: a whip. And but where are the feelings? You know, 521 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: where are they? And I think Lord rely has a 522 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: little bit of that too. She's always testing, testing, testing, 523 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: testing who gets this, who's fast enough, who's funny enough, 524 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: who's worthy enough? Well, and you speak to something. I 525 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: think that's really important in that you're you know, she 526 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 1: I don't even like, you know, we don't a lot 527 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: of times we don't even know what our protectors are. 528 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: So she's protecting herself. But what she doesn't know is 529 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: that you're like, but you're hurting me. And she's so 530 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: we would say, she's so enveloped in her own protection 531 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: that she can't see it, and we can't. I mean, 532 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: we can with therapy. These are treatful things, but when 533 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: you're in it, when you're in it, that's the lens 534 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: you're looking out of that is the lender looking out of. 535 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: So we don't know how fearful. She looks so comfortable 536 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: and she looks so easy in the world, and maybe 537 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: some aspects of her are but I you know, but 538 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: I would venture a guess that this is also really 539 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: really strong protector within her. Yeah. And I think for 540 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: Luke that it's the ultimate. It's a marathon, not a sprint, 541 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: where he's like, first, he's scared, but also he is 542 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: just gonna wait this out and let all these others 543 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: fall fall, fall, and be the last man standing there. 544 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: To me, there's some element of him just having being 545 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: sort of just so like I'm just gonna wait this out. 546 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: He's he's building courage. Yeah, I think that's really what 547 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: it is. It's not about her, you know, petering out 548 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: because she's had a series of failed attempts at that relationships. 549 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: It's just him building courage. And I think we see 550 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: that over time he's just building up the courage, uh, 551 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,719 Speaker 1: And that that's why that first kissed was so fraught 552 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: with tension with her. She's building up the courage too. 553 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: That's right. It's you can almost see him because I've 554 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: seen several times where he's like, what what is it? 555 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: What is it? And she won't say it. It's almost 556 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: like it can't come up, you know, out of her throat. 557 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: And so in that moment right before they kiss, it's 558 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: a lot for her to say when he says there 559 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: was a moment. I thought there was a moment, because 560 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: that was you kind of being vulnerable, I'm thinking. And 561 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: then she finally had to go there was. She never 562 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: wanted to admit that. And there was a moment in 563 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: this episode where he said, well, come on inside and 564 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: get some coffee. That was I think maybe the first 565 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: time he kind of asked her on a little date, 566 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: because it was, you know, a little after hours maybe, 567 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: and come on in and we'll be a little intimate 568 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: with the coffee and come on and get on. And 569 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: she rejected him. She goes, no, I love the snow 570 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna go see Max and we're 571 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: gonna mac on each other's faces. I and and and again, 572 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: and just speaking for for the one who's not here, 573 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: and I could be so wrong. I wonder if it 574 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: would have not been snowing, I mean they have not 575 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: that may not have happened you know, because all that 576 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: snow and stuff and led to that little intimate moment. Though, 577 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: But if it hadn't have been snowing, she might she 578 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: might have gone inside. But but I do think that. Okay, 579 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: So and again sorry to my therapist too much. That's 580 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: her little girl that loves the snow, and she wanted 581 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: to be outside and play in the snow. And then 582 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: the little girl met the seventeen year old part of her. 583 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: And then yeah, a Max Medina is Christopher. He's playing 584 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: the role of Christopher sixteen years later. It's completely inappropriate, 585 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: but it's but it's what she knows. It's risky. Let's 586 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: take a chance. It could screw up my daughter's life. 587 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: But gosh darned, he's got great hair. I'm getting back 588 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: on the motorcycle with Max Medina. But she knows the 589 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: motorcycle for RELI yeah, she's yeah, yeah, She's like, I 590 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: don't want my daughter because I know the motorcycle. So 591 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't want my daughter to get on the motorcycle 592 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: because she knows daughters are vulnerable to the motorcycle. Is 593 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: she is vulnerable to the cycle. We could go on 594 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: and on, but that's why she's so worried about Dean 595 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: and why she even acknowledges that Dean looks like Christopher. Well, 596 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: he's smooth, and he's smooth, and he says it and 597 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: that's and again that's why I think luke Um is 598 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: scary to her because he doesn't lay the I mean 599 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: poker face. Yeah. Well, he got very vulnerable with her 600 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: in that moment talking about his father, and he was 601 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: buried in his musket, and you know, it softened him 602 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. And he then went out and he 603 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: he gave those guys some coffee and he took some 604 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: orders that are you know, you know, you want to 605 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: you want coco, okay, you know. And the same thing 606 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: when he did the balloons for Rory's birthday. Every once 607 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: in a while we see that softer side when he 608 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: made the coffee cake or whatever it was. But then 609 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: that softer side and this is how we all are though. 610 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: But then that softer side goes down, and then you know, 611 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: he sees what he saw across the street with her 612 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: and Max, and it's and and so inside it could 613 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: be like, well, this is why I have this wall 614 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: going back up, not gonna let it go back down again, 615 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: And and so that happens to us. And then you know, 616 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: even in the perspective that you that you talk about 617 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: him having a these are you know, socialites and their 618 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: upper class and they're snotty and stuff. That's a perception 619 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: that he would have had early early on. And so again, 620 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: as things come into my environment, they're always going to 621 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: touch upon some of my core beliefs. Do they reinforce it, 622 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: do they challenge it? Do they reinforce it? And so 623 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: that's that's that's on us. You could be right, or 624 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: it could be a belief that you've had a long 625 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: time that hasn't been updated either though that's right, that's right, 626 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: If that makes sense perfectly, that's Luke's sort of law 627 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: are you know issue. I just think he's practical. He's like, no, 628 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: that's not sustainable. I can't live in that world, but man, 629 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: I sure want to try. But it's good out of that. 630 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: But I mean that's where these parts are born owadays. 631 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: If that makes sense that it's not practical for me 632 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: to think that way not live in that environment, why 633 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: would I you know, oh whoof talk about sexual tension? 634 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that first night? I know we did 635 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: not really why didn't they let us see more of that? 636 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: Why didn't they let us see more of that? We 637 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: got to see everybody else. They could have been like 638 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: a shot of outside the house with a fur flying 639 00:37:52,880 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: off the window. In the window our departments called Kurt 640 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: because he's volunteering that every day. As you guys are 641 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: saying this, it is a little like and over my 642 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: eyes when Lorala and Max are going at it so aggressively. 643 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: And I used to seeing LORELEI like that because that's 644 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: the part you don't get to see. Yeah, yeah, that 645 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: gave me a little bit of the like I don't know, 646 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: the wigglies where I was like, oh, should I be 647 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: seeing this about Lorely and like, I mean, there's so 648 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: many movies or TV shows where it's just like totally 649 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: like out there, But for for Lourely, I felt, oh, 650 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: this is uncomfortable for me to see this because we 651 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: don't know that side of her. Yeah, and you know, 652 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: I don't know from my perspective, was very polite. I 653 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: thought it was very u tame, you know what I mean? 654 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: Max and Lorala that Yeah, I thought That's why I 655 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: didn't mind it so much, because I said, you know 656 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: that fire is not burning that hot. I was happy 657 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: Lane interrupted because I was not ready for it. Yeah, 658 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't want to see this 659 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: go further. I was like, I'm uncomm because it's wrong. 660 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: It goes against the laws of nature. Yeah, right, Yeah, 661 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: I don't think we know. I just don't think we 662 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: know that that aspect of her though, But yeah, you yeah, 663 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: you got to see that part of her, and yeah, 664 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that part of her. I think Luke 665 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: felt a hundred x. I mean, you know, Luke in 666 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: that situation, that's like, you know, forget about it. I 667 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Nothing's no Lanes interrupting that, like 668 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: Lanes running out of the house, like I better call 669 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: the cops, know someone, someone's getting murdered. Oh man, that 670 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: would have been an interesting episode. Oh my lord, kid, 671 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to call you and have you back. 672 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: We need a professional therapy just to get us through this. 673 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: It's really interesting perspective, isn't it? Is it really? What 674 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: do you guys think? I think you're spot on? I 675 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: really do so. Amy agrees. Okay, Scott, what is the 676 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: inner Luke? Inter? Luke? What's the inter Luke? How's he 677 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: how's he receiving this, you know, it's it's it's helping 678 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: me figure out why he felt it was a bridge 679 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: too far with her, What made him hesitate, what made 680 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: him so cautious, because he's being very cautious, Why he's 681 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: so practical, Why he probably feels it's doomed at the outset. Uh, 682 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, she's to this, she's you know, she's a 683 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: little wacky, she's a little you know, I can't you know, 684 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: he's not going to keep being able to keep up 685 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: with that. He's a guy who wakes up early and 686 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: goes to bed early, yeah, and does the say yeah. 687 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: It's like he's got a very patterned, structured life and 688 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: that's what he hangs onto, his structure, his business, that 689 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: is him, that is who he is, and to allow 690 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: this into who was life and he wants it, but 691 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: I think he doesn't want it. And I think that's 692 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: really the detention, you know, I think he wants it, 693 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't want it, but and once he gets it, um, well, 694 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: I mean we'll talk about that at other time, maybe 695 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: with you, But yeah, it's an interest. It's definitely an 696 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: interesting it's an explosive dynamic between those two that's for sure. 697 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: And I think they're both attracted to the other, like 698 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: she's light and change and he's stability, but they're both 699 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: on high. It's like, if you could calibrate that a 700 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: little bit, where we could be in each other's spaces, 701 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, eventually they do when they 702 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: start to speak to each other. But yeah, but I 703 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,479 Speaker 1: think in the beginning it's that that opposite attract which 704 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, we do have to calibrate a little bit 705 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: because it's attractive, but it's not sustainable in a lot 706 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: of cases. So many of those start out like a 707 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: house on fire, and then they fail very quickly. Exactly, kid, 708 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much. You're awesome. Then you're awesome, and 709 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you against in interesting you we psychologicalized, 710 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: in psychoanalyzed. That's I enjoyed that thank you, ask him 711 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Kim Wasn't that fascinating. Isn't she fantastic? 712 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: She had a great perspective and the way she sort 713 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: of explained things, And I like, I think we should 714 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: have a therapy session every once in a while because 715 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: we need to sort of like dig in deeper on 716 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: what's really happening. Oh, I enjoyed that. I think she's 717 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: she's fantastic. Wow, what an insightful human being and and 718 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: a real pro Yeah, good therapist. She's a good therapist. 719 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: I feel better already. I feel I feel like we 720 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,959 Speaker 1: accomplished something here. You know, we will now get ready 721 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: Roy's dance. Rory's dance. Oh, that's going to be the 722 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: next one. So we get to watch time. So everybody 723 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: watch Rory's dance. We're gonna break it down next episod 724 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: zode uh and look, thanks for downloading. We appreciate it. 725 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: We're having a blast. We love you guys. You're the 726 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: best fans on planet Earth. You already know that, but 727 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: you need to be told, you need to be praised. 728 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: We are going to do that. Um. I am Scott Patterson. 729 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: This is the I Am All In Podcast on I 730 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. We'll see you next time. 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