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Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Curli. I'm the chief Washington correspondent

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. We begin tonight

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Speaker 1: with the big story, which is President Joe Biden just

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Speaker 1: making his remarks, concluding his remarks within the last half

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Speaker 1: hour and pledging to have a two hundred million vaccines

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Speaker 1: over the next six months. A massive development. It comes

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Speaker 1: amid a local issues throughout the country from California to Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: have not been moving quickly enough. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: into this conversation Bloomberg political contributor Rick Davis, as well

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Speaker 1: as Roger Fisk. He is a Democratic strategist, a longtime

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Speaker 1: President Obama aide, and a principle of New Day strategy. Roger,

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Speaker 1: let's begin with you. I mean, yeah, we just started

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Speaker 1: from President Biden talking about this in a very somber,

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Speaker 1: and the economy is hurting, people are losing their jobs.

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Speaker 1: There's a frustration. Uh, and it's palpable. How important is

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Speaker 1: First off, Kevin, thanks so much for having me, and

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Speaker 1: it's great to be here with Rick. You know it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a very interesting blend or juxtaposition. In one sense,

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Speaker 1: I can feel the kind of civic part of me

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Coming up an exclusive

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Speaker 1: conversation with Congresswoman Caroline Maloney, the Democrat from New York.

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Speaker 1: is just common sense is gun traffickers are never arrested

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Speaker 1: law enforcement has been asking for years to have that

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Speaker 1: issue of making gun trafficking of felony, that is something

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Speaker 1: that law enforcement officials have been pushing for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: And then on straw purchasing, and what that means, folks,

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Speaker 1: How important is that, Congresswoman. That's that's extremely important. People

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Speaker 1: It's really promoted a lot of the research that's led

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Speaker 1: Those that are used child locks or lock up their guns,

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Speaker 1: their their insurance would be less than those that are

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Speaker 1: have it, because when they have it, they then cracked

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Speaker 1: Other countries don't experience that. Believe me, if guns made

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Speaker 1: they're actually looking to move to Dallas, Texas. Of course,

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Speaker 1: of different issues. Let's get to the let's cut to

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Speaker 1: If you want to get traction on this, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: really are uneasy about this. Are you confident that you

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Speaker 1: that you would need in order to get this through

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Speaker 1: the Senate? Well, we have a pro gun safety president now,

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Speaker 1: and that's important. He's been active in gun safety measures

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Speaker 1: not going to pass it if you don't try, and

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Speaker 1: you have to work on what you believe is important

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Speaker 1: and necessary. If other countries have passed uh, gun safety

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Speaker 1: laws that have made their country safer, why can't we

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Speaker 1: it The public approves of these bills, by so we

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Speaker 1: should uh. So. There's so many things that we don't

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Speaker 1: know the answer to. We know that with background checks,

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Speaker 1: with really liability insurance, with curtailing the activity of the

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Speaker 1: trafficking guns, and so many other things that we can

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Speaker 1: cut down on gun violence in our country. All we

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Speaker 1: need is a political will to do so. So I'm

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Speaker 1: certainly trying to make these bills become a reality. We

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Speaker 1: actually had a gun show loophole bill similar to the

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Speaker 1: one you've just presented as part of your package of

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Speaker 1: passed with Republican support. UM. Ultimately leadership pulled the bill

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Speaker 1: certainly going to try Congress maloney just quickly in the

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Speaker 1: in the last thirty seconds I have with you, UH.

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Speaker 1: For economic stimulus, why do you expect that's going to

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Speaker 1: This week we are moving bills out of committee to

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Speaker 1: We'll get them through the House and then it goes

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Speaker 1: to the Senator, as you know, and it will go

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Speaker 1: economic relief of COVID relief package. Are our states and

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Speaker 1: federal response. If they don't get a they'll be laying

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Speaker 1: people around this country. We are also included in the

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Speaker 1: really private sector workers who because of COVID huh, their

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Speaker 1: of funding for transparency and accountability. YEA, Chairwoman Millonnia, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know you've been so generous at your time, and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately I have to let you go, but please come

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to make sure that we have that

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Speaker 1: discussion about your legislation that you introduced. That's Chairwoman of

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Speaker 1: the House Oversight Committee, Carolyn Maloney very appreciative of her time.

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