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Speaker 4: It's Tuesday, December fifteenth, and this is part two of

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Speaker 1: You know, Anthony Davis was in the lead for Finals

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Speaker 1: going with the donk Luka Doncic as your MVP pick.

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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear that Katie is the number

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Speaker 3: Harden is kind of disqualified himself by not showing up

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Speaker 3: But you know the storyline is, it's just not there

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Speaker 4: Oh, I would add to that Durant's chances of winning

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Speaker 4: In sixteen seventeen, I just rode that Katie leaving Westbrook

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Speaker 4: I said it on part one.

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Speaker 4: I just forgot how dominant his numbers were. You know,

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Speaker 3: I like the media angle. I don't know how much

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much it plays, but it's fun

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Speaker 3: I think that's something that Kadi has in his corner

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Speaker 3: junk we've already seen. He's playing chess. Kad's playing checkers. No,

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Speaker 4: Checkers is fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course kids can play checkers. I get it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, kids can play chess, absolutely right, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: This is the guy that gets snubbed every single vote

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Speaker 1: No news though about nikola jokicch nobody mentioning Nikolai Jokic.

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Speaker 1: He's a plus twenty five hundred for this. He's not

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Speaker 5: Well, I think this guy really stepped up these games

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Speaker 5: He met the Old Star team for the first time.

431
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,639
Speaker 5: He's endly a young guy. I think Jyson Titum really

432
00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,639
Speaker 5: can stand out again this season.

433
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:01,840
Speaker 1: Now.

434
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,840
Speaker 5: He is one of those dark horse picks that I

435
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,120
Speaker 5: don't realistically think he's going to win it, but he

436
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 5: is the celtics best player, and if the Celtics are

437
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,960
Speaker 5: in that sort of top two or three in the

438
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,879
Speaker 5: Western Eastern Conference, he's going to get so much of

439
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,639
Speaker 5: that attention. Kember's great, Jon Jalon Brown is also great.

440
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,200
Speaker 5: They lost Gordon Hayward this season, but I think Tatum

441
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,919
Speaker 5: showed last season he just improved his game so so

442
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,560
Speaker 5: much that he could really really stand out. I could

443
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 5: see him averaging twenty eight points a game this year,

444
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 5: taking some big shots, having some big moments. He is

445
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,239
Speaker 5: a stud already, and I think if the Celtics do

446
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 5: cement themselves in that top two or three in the

447
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 5: Eastern Conference, he's going to get a lot of the

448
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 5: credit for that.

449
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 4: All right, twelve time Tatum making that All Star Game

450
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 4: twelve times? Coming up in the future here task who

451
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 4: you got wildcode pick?

452
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 3: Well, you guys have mentioned so many throw a tree

453
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 3: young in there. Wow, he was a.

454
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 4: Plus five thousand when I saw it.

455
00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 3: Sounds like you're making money. Cam Stewart Man, there got

456
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 3: the ability to do it. It's you got to drag

457
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 3: your team up up the standings. As we've said, do

458
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 3: the Hawks have a chance at a four or five seed?

459
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 3: That would be an incredible feed. They got to make

460
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 3: the playoffs first, so that's why it's a dark horse.

461
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 3: It's it's a severe, severe dark horse. But as he

462
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 3: said after one preseason game which they lost, he said,

463
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 3: I am excited as f to play with these dudes.

464
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 3: So he thinks that there's a lot of ability, a

465
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: lot of shooting around him with Bogdan Bogdanovic and Danilo

466
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 3: Gallinari and some defensive chops with Clincopella and friends. So

467
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 3: you know that I'm down here in Alan, We're all

468
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 3: down here, so you know, I'm a little pumped to

469
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 3: watch them play. So can they be that high in

470
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: the standings. I think that's a little crazy, but that's

471
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Speaker 3: why it's a dark horse pick.

472
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: Imagine the takes if Trey Young wins an MVP before

473
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic. Oh wow did the Hawks win the trade? Wow?

474
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 5: Well look, look don't you last year to Try Young

475
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 5: second and assists in the league and fourth in scoring.

476
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 4: So I mean, like Tasa saying, if the Hawks like

477
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 4: suddenly shock everybody in their top four in the Eastern Conference,

478
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 4: he's going to have the numbers to back it up.

479
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 4: It's very similar to Lillard, right, I mean those are

480
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 4: the trade numbers.

481
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the trade is interesting. That'll always be the conversation.

482
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 3: Cam Reddish was the guy who they got with the

483
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 3: draft pick right from Dallas in that trade, it was

484
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 3: Tray Young and what ended up being the number ten pick.

485
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 3: Cam Reddish is playing like Trey Young, shooting from the

486
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 3: logo in that first preseason game, letting it fly. That

487
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: line up, that roster rotation, I should say, is going

488
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 3: to be crazy crazy to watch how many friggin dudes

489
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 3: they have that can play. There's like a dozen, and

490
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 3: Cam Reddish is one of them. I don't know, I'm

491
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: kind of high on cam Reradish. I don't know why.

492
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 3: I just like maybe he stands out on the Hawks

493
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: four because he plays a little defense, but you'll get

494
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 3: some minutes.

495
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 4: Some of the other guys, they're odds lower on the list,

496
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 4: you said, Yokich there, Yeah, I saw him at plus

497
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 4: twenty eight hundred plus twenty five hundred, you said, Trey

498
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler, I saw us thirty three hundred. Embiid your

499
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 4: picks last year's guys for MVP plus four thousand, Booker

500
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 4: plus four thousand, Westbrook plus four thousand, and then it

501
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 4: goes you know, Irving and Williamson and Mitchell and Paul

502
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 4: George and Jamal Murray, Ben Simmons. I'm going with the

503
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 4: guy not even on that list for my super dark

504
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 4: Horse pick. And I think I am drinking the preseason

505
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 4: cool aid. It's like a lot of it. I'm drunk

506
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 4: off it. Ja Morant put me down for a jab

507
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 4: Morant super Super dark Horse MVP pick. Man. He looks

508
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: awesome already. I love the Samurai hair look. He's got

509
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 4: going too with the locks.

510
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 5: He just spreewheel will that for a while, didn't he?

511
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does have a spreewhee as well.

512
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 5: Denny Footson, that's.

513
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: The yeah, he said, he said he lost his bobby pins,

514
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: so he had to go with the ponytail, right, He

515
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: got to adjust out there.

516
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 5: Morant though, anytime he's got the bowl in his hands

517
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 5: and you're just waiting for something to happen like he's

518
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 5: he's just incredibly fun to watch. Yeah. I mean, obviously

519
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 5: the numbers in the wing is what's going to really

520
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 5: rejecting there. But as far as uh League pass alert stuff,

521
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 5: he's gonna lead the league I think in that this season.

522
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 5: He's just incredible.

523
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, a couple of Timberwolves made some

524
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 4: business decisions last night when he was driving.

525
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: Town.

526
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: Specifically was like nope, no, thank you.

527
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: He's ducking out of the way.

528
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, They're like, I don't want to be on this

529
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: posters have the dunk.

530
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: Have the dunk?

531
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Speaker 4: All right?

532
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Speaker 1: So those are our.

533
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Speaker 4: Official m v P picks. And then you know some

534
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: some wild cards and dark horses whatever you want to

535
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: call them. Let's hear from you guys, both in the

536
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 4: stream team who's your m v P pck uh and

537
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 4: everybody listening to the podcast later tweet at us at

538
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 4: no dunk sinc. All Right, our next question, which Western

539
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 4: Conference team is most likely to disappoint. This is the

540
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 4: kind way of asking which Western Conference team is overrated?

541
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Tasks?

542
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 4: Why don't you get us started? Who's uh who in

543
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 4: the West is likely to disappoint?

544
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: Well, there are going to be teams at disappoint in

545
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: the West because I I think legitimately fourteen of the

546
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: fifteen teams in the West are trying to make the playoffs,

547
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: which just doesn't happen year and in year out. Okay,

548
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: see they're not making the playoffs, but I think everybody

549
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: else is actually trying to get there. So there are

550
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: gonna be teams that don't even make the play in

551
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: game or the play in tournament that are gonna be disappointed.

552
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: But I got to go back to the Houston Rockets.

553
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: It just feels like that situation is quite combustible with

554
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 3: how many guys not lonely number one, don't want to

555
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 3: be there. In James Harden, best player shows up days late.

556
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: You got to go get six coronavirus tests to play here.

557
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: Days late. He came one week before the regular season starts.

558
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 3: Your best player is showing up when you've got a

559
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: new ball handler and Jaralden Wall, two new centers and

560
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Cousins in Christian Wood, it just feels like with

561
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: him and PJ Tucker knowledge there, yeah, a new coach

562
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: and Steven Sila's brand new co who's never run a

563
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 3: team on his own, plus all these guys who are

564
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: so injury prone or have injury histories, and John Wall

565
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 3: coming off a severe injury that had a huge setback

566
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: while he was recovering from that injury. There's just so

567
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: many moving parts. Even though you want to drink some

568
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: preseason juice. John Well look great, Marcus look fantastic. But

569
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: what's what's going to happen with James Harden That has

570
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: to start the conversation? And then is it a team

571
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: we know without James Harden and some you know, probably

572
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 3: good parts they get back for him to go along

573
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: with John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins in a setting that

574
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: just it just doesn't feel all that good from the

575
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 3: outside looking in. Now, are they going to build a

576
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: culture to destroy all that that gabbage that they had

577
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: last year? I don't know. I don't know how they

578
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: sort of write that ship. I just don't So. I

579
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: think Houston is a team that will be on the

580
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: outside looking at again because the West is so friggin deep.

581
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: I say, fourteen teams, but you know, the Kings probably

582
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: aren't going to make it. Spurs and Wolves are gonna

583
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 3: be really hard pressed to maybe, but they're.

584
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: Gonna be trying.

585
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: They're gonna be trying.

586
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that I see the Rockets, you know, if

587
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: they make the play in tournament, I think that's good

588
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: for them. Even though they got fringing talent out the wazoo.

589
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: There's just there's just so many question marks.

590
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with Tass on this one because I have

591
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: a lot of faith in the teams in the Western Conference,

592
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: all the teams that are supposed to be good. I'm like, yeah,

593
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm buy it. I feel like I've seen you perform

594
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: in the past, ergo you should perform in the future.

595
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: But it's easy to see the Rockets season this year

596
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: going the same way the Warriors did last year. Right

597
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: in this scenario, James Harden would be the Kevin Durant.

598
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: Suddenly he's not there anymore. Perhaps maybe you get a

599
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: couple of big injuries. Steph Curry and Klay Thompson both

600
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: went down last year. That could be the case with

601
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: John wall and DeMarcus Cousins both recovering from major injuries.

602
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: Suddenly you're out your three all star level players. Maybe PJ.

603
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: Tucker is the Draymond Green without anybody around to passing

604
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: the ball, he's not as interested in playing defense. Suddenly

605
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: your team is very bad. The bad part for the

606
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: Rockets is they don't have three titles in their past

607
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: to celebrate, and going forward in the future, they wouldn't

608
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: therefore be bringing back James Harden. It's easy to see

609
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: a Rocket season going off the rails. But with you task,

610
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: I do like that John Juwice, He's looked all right

611
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: in the preseason. DeMarcus Cousins has looked all right in

612
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: the preseason. But this is a team that it doesn't

613
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: feel like we're going to be watching this same team

614
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: in three or four months, and they would be getting

615
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: worse in that scenario. So I think it's easy to

616
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: see them falling out of the playoffs. Falling out of

617
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: the play in tournament sucks for the Rockets, but it

618
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: felt like it ended up an era over the offseason,

619
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: and it feels like it even more so now to me.

620
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fair again, we were talking about the Rockets

621
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 4: being a tough team to predict, because if Harden's there,

622
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: they're still probably good, you know, decent, And if he's not,

623
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: then yeah, it could be leaning into obviously a rebuilding

624
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: type of mode. But then again, how good is John

625
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: Wallo cousins, How good is would for them? Yeah, they're

626
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 4: a tough one to figure out, but you guys are

627
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 4: saying ultimately they're probably gonna disappoint and be on the

628
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 4: outside looking in of that play in tournament. Lee, who

629
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: do you got in the West as someone? Again, basically

630
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 4: we're just saying who might be a little overrated as

631
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: we started.

632
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if this team's overrated or not,

633
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 5: but they got the number one pick in the draft.

634
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 5: They made a few additions in the offseason, but I

635
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 5: really don't see a significant improvement in the Minnesota Timberwolves.

636
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 5: I mean, they've got D'Angelo Russell and Karl Anthony Towns

637
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 5: their buds, they're playing together. But this team offensively should

638
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 5: be able to score enough. But I just really can't

639
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: see how they're going to stop anyone defensively for too

640
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 5: long and just just bank those wins. I mean, it's

641
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: tough in the West. I mean, there are a lot

642
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 5: of competitive teams, and I just sort of just don't

643
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: think it's going to be much better than it was

644
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 5: last year. I mean, Anthony Edwards, they got the number

645
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: one pick in a draft where the guy doesn't even

646
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: really want to play basketball, So you know, I don't

647
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: know how that just bodes for them going forward. So

648
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 5: they've moved some pieces around. This is a huge year

649
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 5: for Karl Anthony Towns. He can really either establish himself

650
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: as a legit, you know, superstar and put up those

651
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 5: big numbers and just drag his teams to a few wins,

652
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: or he's going to be one of those guys like

653
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 5: he's good, but he doesn't seem to move the needle

654
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 5: all that much for his team. I think that's where

655
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 5: he's at right now, and he may I sort of

656
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 5: spoke about these last year, sort of say I went

657
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 5: out of here. That could also be on the table

658
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 5: for him as well this season. So I think Minnesota

659
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 5: just are going to be kind of where they were

660
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 5: last year on the outside looking in. I really don't

661
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: think they've improved enough to sort of put themselves. I

662
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: mean that if they can make that play in tournament

663
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 5: number ten, that would be a huge season for them,

664
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 5: But that's I think where they are at the moment.

665
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. I actually unfortunately went with the Wolves too. I

666
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: say unfortunately because there's no one I'm rooting for more

667
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 4: right now in the league than Karl Anthony Towns after

668
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: what he just went through, you know, losing his mother

669
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: and what was it, six other family members to COVID

670
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: and he's even talked about like pasqual is probably the

671
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: last thing on his mind right now. So that you're

672
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: rooting for him, you're hoping he does well. But I'm

673
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 4: with you, Lee, I think they're going to be one

674
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: of these teams that's not playing in the play tournament.

675
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: And also they're not trying to actively lose here. They're

676
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 4: not purposely trying to lose. They don't have their draft pick,

677
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: I mean, so it's not like they're even like, oh yeah,

678
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: twenty one draft class was awesome, let's go get one

679
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 4: of those big names. No, they're probably not gonna have it,

680
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: you know on paper, kat de Loo, Josha Kogi, Malik Beasley,

681
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 4: Rubio back There, herne A Gomez, Jake Lahman, Culver who

682
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 4: had a rough rookie season. And then you said Edward's there,

683
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: You got McDaniel's like on paper, I guess like pretty solid,

684
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: But I don't see how they're they're overall better than Suns, Warriors, Grizzlies, Pelicans,

685
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 4: maybe Spurs, maybe even like we talked about the Rockets, like,

686
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: I just think there's too many teams that are better

687
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: than them. Again, if everybody is healthy, that's that's again.

688
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: When you don't have your pick and you're trying to

689
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: get into the playoffs because you're not tanking for any reason,

690
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: and then you're still outside, that's that'd be bad. And

691
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 4: you saw you brought up Towns lee about like, you know,

692
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: does he just get monster numbers but it doesn't translate

693
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 4: into a lot of wins. I saw real GMS Colin

694
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: mcgawan he compared Towns NBA career so far to a

695
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: young Washington Bullets Chris Weber, and I had never thought

696
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 4: about that comparison. I went and checked it just sort

697
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: of see what the numbers are, like, very comparable, like

698
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: you know, monster offensive numbers. Obviously we know how talented

699
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 4: they are on that end of the floor. You know,

700
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: an All Star appearance, are two early in their careers,

701
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 4: an injury riddled season, or two in their careers, but

702
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: a bunch of disappointing sort of team performances both of

703
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 4: them at this point. You know, if you're just looking

704
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: at like first five seasons, one single playoff appearance, right,

705
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: you know, this was Weber playing one year with the

706
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: Warriors and then a bunch of years with the Bullets

707
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 4: before making his way to the Kings. He made it

708
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: one year, and right now, Towns is too. With the

709
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler experiment there with TIBs, I think it's comparable.

710
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: But then that's maybe a good thing for Towns, I guess,

711
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: is what I'm getting at. Weber went on to have

712
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: you know, yes, right, but a good career finding his

713
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 4: way in Sacramento for sure.

714
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 5: So at his best he was, you know, to to

715
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 5: a three in the league there for That's what I'm saying.

716
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 5: And Towns has got an offensive game. You know, he

717
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 5: can score, he can shoot, he spreads the flaw. It's

718
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 5: just it's just that sort of there's something missing though

719
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 5: where it's just like our Towns tonight was refusing to

720
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 5: let his team lose. You know, He's just gonna go

721
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: out there and just and just force a win on

722
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 5: his team. That's where he's struggling at the moment.

723
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have the Wolves. I'm agreeing with you there.

724
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: I think they could disappoint because again, they they're playing

725
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: to get in, and they have some talent there, and

726
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: they made some moves, you know, Beasley is you know, overpay.

727
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I just don't see them better

728
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: than a lot of those teams we just just listed.

729
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Ronde Hollis Jefferson's going to come in and save

730
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: the day.

731
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, RHJ. He should probably end up starting for him,

732
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: just because they needed the babe alongside Towns. They had

733
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: a sixteen game losing streak and a thirteen game losing streak.

734
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: A lot of that was with Towns out, but he

735
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: also went one for nineteen one in eighteen one out

736
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: of nineteen games he won in his last nineteen games played.

737
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: And like Lee saying, they did bring in the number

738
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: one draft pick. That helps, But there's not a whole

739
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: bunch more improvement around there. It really feels like Minnesota

740
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: has fallen off the map. It's just the team that's

741
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: not really in the mix at all right now. They

742
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: had a lot of trade rumors last year. You know,

743
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: they finally brought in D'Angelo Russell to appease Karl Anthony Towns.

744
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: That felt like, but that's about it. Not much basketball talk.

745
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: They only played one game together. I guess right, those

746
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: two guys last year, and they should be great offensively.

747
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: It's yeah, can they get stops? You know, hopefully Rubio

748
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: helps with that. You said Hollis Jefferson as well. Maybe

749
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: they do, Maybe they do. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see

750
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: wolves fancy.

751
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm looking forward to Ricard Rubio getting back

752
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: there at Minnesota is a fan favorite. He's probably going

753
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: to stabilize Dangel Russell a little bit. Like those two

754
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: are going to play together. I think even though Anthony

755
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: Edwards is there, And it is kind of crazy to

756
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: say this, but if there's any situation or any organization

757
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: that can help Carl Anthony Towns move forward with everything

758
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: he's going through with his family. I heard this on

759
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: The Lead podcast with John Krazinski and Kavitha Davidson. It

760
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: was a really telling episode about Karl Anthony and losing

761
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: his mom and the six family and friends that that

762
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: he's lost. But Rubio lost his mom when he was

763
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: a member of the Timberwolves. Earlier in his career, Anthony

764
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: Edwards lost his mom or early Flip Saunders obviously passed away.

765
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 3: Ryan Saunders is son the head coach, So there's there's

766
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: going to be an understanding there putting their arm around

767
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: Towns and trying to get through this together as a

768
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 3: team Ken Towns, you know, try and try and channel

769
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: that because he just when he did get on that

770
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: Zoom media day, he just seemed like, man, I don't

771
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: want to play basketball. And obviously that's that's totally totally fair.

772
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: So can he can he channel that the wanting to

773
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: play and can the organization sort of pick him up?

774
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: And and because they have all the offensive weapons, they

775
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: have so many offensive weapons. But you know, everybody who

776
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: was expecting Towns to turn around one day defensively.

777
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it comes. Maybe, you know, these teams and

778
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 4: theory could all be very very tight, especially in a

779
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 4: shortened season. Right we're chopping ten games off here down

780
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: to seventy two. We could have some very very fun

781
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 4: races for like, you know, the these seedings and then

782
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 4: let alone that play in tournament. I think teams are

783
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 4: gonna be you know, not a lot of winds is

784
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 4: going to differentiate some of these teams that we're talking

785
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: about here. But let's jump from the West to the East.

786
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 4: Same question, Trey, you get a started, which Eastern Conference

787
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: team most likely to disappoint I've.

788
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: Got faith in pretty much every Western Conference team and

789
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: zero faith in most of the Eastern Conference teams. I

790
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: can feel like every team could be the disappointing team here.

791
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: The East is wide open this year. You know, the

792
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: Bucks likely will still have the best record in the

793
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference. But to me, the only answer for most

794
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: likely to a point is still the Bucks, because it's

795
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: championship or bust until Yannis writes his name on that line.

796
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: Once he writes his name on that line, it's still

797
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: championship or bust. And we've seen the way the NBA

798
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: is these days. They made a great move getting Drew Holliday.

799
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: We've talked about the bogdan Bogdanovich situation so many times.

800
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: Are they meaningfully better? Are they have things changed enough

801
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: for the Bucks to make it to address the concerns

802
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: that they have come playoff time. No doubt, Eric Bledsoe

803
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: being gone is an advantage. Drew Holliday is an upgrade

804
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: over them. But I feel like they're still searching for

805
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: that fifth guy to close out games for him. You're

806
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna have Giannis, You're gonna have Chris Middleton, Drew Holliday,

807
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: likely Brook Lopez, and who's the fifth guy? They still

808
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: need the fifth guy? Dante di Vincenzo. Maybe he's that guy.

809
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: We shall see. They almost traded him this summer, you know,

810
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: they were ready to move on from him if they

811
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: were gonna be able to upgrade. So certainly they think

812
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: that there's an upgrade to be had there. Like Lee

813
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: was saying that it's gonna be tough for Giannis to

814
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: win another MVP. His numbers are gonna be there, the

815
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: regular season success is gonna be there, but they still

816
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have a perfect five man lineup, which means

817
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: Mike Budenholzer will probably play very many guys. It just

818
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: feels like the same old story with the Bucks. It's

819
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: a good story to be in. You know, the Bucks

820
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: didn't have a long history of playoff success before Jannis

821
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: got there. They're still better having him than if they didn't.

822
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: But you don't want to see a guy went back

823
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: to back MVPs put up another season of MVP numbers

824
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: and fall short once again. Maybe the Drew Holiday move

825
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: is all they really needed, because I don't think Bobby

826
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: Portos is going to be this savior coming off the bench.

827
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: About Tory Craig Tory Craig Man, Okay, yeah, we'll see.

828
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Oh see. I would have rather had Wes Matthews, to

829
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: be honest, But I don't know. I think the Bucks

830
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: did good to get Drew Holliday. They improved. He was

831
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: the biggest target they could have acquired, but it doesn't

832
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: address all of the problems that we've seen for the

833
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: past two seasons when it really matters, all right.

834
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 4: So Trey going right to the playoffs with this With

835
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: his answer here, he's talking about the Bucks are officely

836
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 4: going to be in there, but will ultimately come up short,

837
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: losing in like let's say a second round again or

838
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 4: something like that, or conference finals. What about you, task,

839
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: are you going with a you know, an elite team

840
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: that might come up short in the playoffs or are you

841
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 4: going with a team that might not make the playoffs

842
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference.

843
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going with a team that many team streamers,

844
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: stream teamers, stream teamers believed yesterday was an elite team.

845
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: I want to try and rile them up again. I

846
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: said the Raptors were not amongst the absolutely eat in

847
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference. I think there's four there four teams,

848
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: and the Raptors are with the sixers below the Nets, Bucks,

849
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 3: the Celtics, and who's the fourth umb missing heat the Heat. Yes,

850
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 3: I think those four at the top. But the Raptors,

851
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: I think are in that slight tier below them. And

852
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: I think there is a chance that if there's one

853
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: injury to one of their big guys, or if they decide, hey,

854
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: we're not we're not in a great position here to

855
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 3: have a big playoff run, that maybe they start to

856
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: disassemble that team. Maybe Kyle Lowry's gone, even though it

857
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 3: feels like he should be a lifer. I just wonder

858
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 3: how that Tampa a situation is going to go for them.

859
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: I just wonder if they're going to start sending out

860
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: some parts, really, because I do think after Marcus Ool

861
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: and Serge Ibaka left, and I'm a huge Aaron Bains fan,

862
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: Love me some Aaron Bains, but it is a bit

863
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: they have declined, just a little bit in terms of

864
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: their roster. I don't think there's a shouldn't be a

865
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: question about that. I wonder if things aren't going well.

866
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: Most likely that's the sort of the instigator, the impetus

867
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: for me thinking that it won't go well for the

868
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: Raptors this season, but they could obviously be a top

869
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 3: four seed because they always overachieve. It seems likely with

870
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: all these guys. They still do have Fred van Vliet,

871
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: they still do have Kyle Lowry in their backcourt. Pascal

872
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: Siakam I think will have a bounce back year, even

873
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: though he had a really solid year, but it bounce

874
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: back from those playoffs. I expect them to play well,

875
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 3: but at the same time, they have left room for

876
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: that twenty one offseason for a reason, because they are

877
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: positioning themselves for both situations. Missiugeri is ready to pivot

878
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: depending on what happens, and I want to see what

879
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: happens with Paski. I'm looking forward to Pascal siakams bounce back.

880
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: I mean, they are sort of riding his back right now,

881
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: but they're they're also opening the door for twenty twenty one.

882
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: It's a smart task. You're purposely doubting the Raptors knowing

883
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: that it's going to encourage them. It's going to fire

884
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 4: them up or that bulletin board material and make them

885
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: actually better. And you're you're playing chess. See this is

886
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 4: a perfect example. You're playing chess with that pick there.

887
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: That's not checkers, my man. I like that what you're doing.

888
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 4: But I hear you, Yeah, that's going to rile up

889
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 4: Raptors fans, no doubt. I actually disagree with where you

890
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: have them in the rankings, Like I don't think their

891
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: second tier, or at least I don't think some of

892
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 4: those teams you had above them in the first tier,

893
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: let's say, are like Leaps and Bounds, or you know,

894
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 4: in a tier above the Raps, especially the Heat. Who

895
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: actually is my pick to disappoint? I would I think

896
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 4: I would maybe flip where you have the Raptors in

897
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 4: the Heat in the tiers talking breaking debt breakdown, because

898
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: I think the Heat they're awesome team, there's no doubt.

899
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 4: Then they still have a lot of their pieces, They

900
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: kept a lot of their guys. They didn't go long

901
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 4: term with a lot of their guys. You talked about

902
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: the Raptors setting up for twenty twenty one, Well, the

903
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 4: sore of the Heat with potential big names in play

904
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 4: that they can make a move. But I just wonder,

905
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: was the bubble like the absolute perfect scenario for a

906
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler Miami Heat team that it proved to be true.

907
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 4: They played incredibly. He was like he was unreal. I mean,

908
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: he wasn't that great in the regular season, like the

909
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 4: normal regular season, and then Jimmy Butler in the bubble

910
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: with his big face coffee was a top ten talent.

911
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 4: I just wonder, in a more quote unquote and I'm

912
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 4: doing air quotes here, normal season, does he fall back

913
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: to earth a little bit? Tyler hero again. He had

914
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 4: ups and downs sort of in the regular season, and

915
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: suddenly he was one of the best rookies we've seen

916
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: in Bubble play. Other contributions Jay Crowder has now gone.

917
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: He was awesome for them. I don't think he ever

918
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: missed a three point shot. I just think the Heat

919
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: are gonna like not fall off. They're not gonna beut

920
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: of the playoffs by any means. But I don't see

921
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: them going back to the conference finals. I guess is

922
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 4: what or the finals? Excuse me, I just think it

923
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: was the perfect storm there that Disney World. They're big

924
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: Disney Worlds, guys. I guess that is what it turns out.

925
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: I just think they're gonna be good, you know, similar

926
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 4: to what really they were during the right season. I

927
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: mean they were a fifth seed, right, I have them

928
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: right there, fifth or six or something like that. And

929
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: in a way, I think it'll disappoint because I just

930
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 4: don't see them going all the way to the finals.

931
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: Even twenty nine and seven at home last season and

932
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty two on the road. Remember they were

933
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: like the Sixers. They could win all the time when

934
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: they were playing in Miami, not so much on the road. Definitely,

935
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: the bubble helped them, just because they're a team that

936
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: really knows how to lock in. Jimmy Butler out there

937
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: working hard and being the man. But it's gonna come

938
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: down to matchups for them. If they get the Bucks

939
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: again in the playoffs, they'll beat the Bucks again in

940
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Yeah, they just don't know how to guard them.

941
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: Milwaukee doesn't understand how to stick to all those shooters

942
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: out there, and that's what the Heat are gonna do,

943
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: bonds away.

944
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 4: That's fair. Look, and you're right, like Duncan Robinson is

945
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: still their hero and theory could be better. He might

946
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: be even starting for them. You know, Jimmy does take

947
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: it to the next level of the playoffs, Bam might

948
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: get better. I get all that they're well coached. Of course,

949
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: they still have some other talent that they've brought in,

950
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: you know, Harkless in there and stuff like that. I

951
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 4: guess Avery Bradley there as well. I just don't think

952
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 4: they're at the end of it all. I think it'll

953
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 4: be a disappointment because they won't go to the NBA Finals.

954
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 4: I'm banking on that. I don don't see it happening.

955
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: I think some improved teams in the Eastern Conference and yeah,

956
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 4: your rate trade. It's matchups like I could easily see

957
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: the Heat losing a first round series depending on who

958
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 4: they're playing. If they're a fifth or six seed, you know,

959
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 4: playing a playing the Celtics or a six ers or

960
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 4: something like that, it could be a very difficult series

961
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: for them.

962
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 5: So I'll go Heat. Who hasn't answered this one, isn't Yeah, yeah, well,

963
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 5: I've actually got two. I've got two teams I tied.

964
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 5: I couldn't split these two because they both improved in

965
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 5: the off season. But how much is the key for me?

966
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 5: The Charlotte Hornets, for one. They got LaMelo Ball and

967
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 5: Gordon Hayward. LaMelo we've seen he's a little bit like Jarmorant.

968
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 5: He's gonna have the highlights, but how much of a

969
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 5: sort of impact is he going to have on winning games?

970
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 5: Because the shooting is that's an insult to Ja Morant.

971
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, yeah, haven't you seen already? LaMelo

972
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 5: has been flipping the ball all around the back. He's

973
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 5: been great, Like, the highlights are there for him, But.

974
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 4: DoD has he hit a shot yet? Tell me when

975
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 4: he hits He hit.

976
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 5: One, he hit one three yesterday, I think last night.

977
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it turns out.

978
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: That's important usually.

979
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: Wonder why I wonder what.

980
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 5: Leavar though was doing with his kids, why working on

981
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 5: that show when they were kids, Because they've got the talent,

982
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 5: but they've got some ugly shooting styles out.

983
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's what I'm saying.

984
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 5: Pistons, yeah, Leangelo, Yeah, unfortunately. But anyway, and then Heyward Hayward,

985
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 5: you know, a good player. They spend a lot of

986
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 5: money on him, you know, but he's another one. How

987
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 5: much does he improve that the Hornets do they make

988
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 5: the playoffs because they desperately need to make the playoffs

989
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 5: as well. This team and the other one is the Hawks.

990
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 5: There's the Hawks have almost got too many players right now,

991
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 5: too many guys fighting for positions, and you just wonder,

992
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 5: like it's obviously Trey Young is the key for that team,

993
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: you know, and he's going to put up his numbers,

994
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. Gallinari, I mean, he was good

995
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 5: in the bubble, but I think they overpaid for him.

996
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: And shocked that shocked that they agree that he was

997
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: going to be a bench player when they signed that contract.

998
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: He said that on media day. I was shocked.

999
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 5: He and you know, he'll have his moments. There's no doubt.

1000
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 5: It's good. He's a good shoot. He's going to have that.

1001
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 5: And Rondo doesn't play in the regular season anyway, so

1002
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 5: they also they at him. They got Chris Dunn, a

1003
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 5: young guy who's already bounced around a little bit. So

1004
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: and then what's this, what's happening with John Collins There

1005
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 5: there's there's an unquestion, an unanswered question there with John Collins.

1006
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 5: Is he a part of the future or not? Because

1007
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 5: if he is and they have to pay him. If

1008
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 5: he's not, then they may as well move on from

1009
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 5: him and they added some other big players that it's

1010
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 5: kind of like, I'm not sure what they really feel

1011
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 5: about John Collins right now. So I think the Hawks

1012
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 5: are better than they were last year, but again I

1013
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 5: don't see them. I don't see them rocketing up the

1014
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 5: Eastern Conference though, I don't. I don't see them. I

1015
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: think six is probably the absolute ceiling for this team

1016
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 5: right now, which is which is an improvement. They would

1017
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 5: take it. But I think even then that's like everything

1018
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: has to fall into place for them, and I'm not

1019
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 5: I'm just not sure that all those moves and where

1020
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 5: they are right now, They've still got some pieces to

1021
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: figure out exactly, you know, who's getting the minutes and

1022
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 5: what roles they're playing. Until they figure that out, I'm

1023
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 5: just not sure who's gonna who's who is the best?

1024
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 5: What is the best version of this team today?

1025
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, there's a lot of questions. Lloyd Pierce is

1026
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 4: gonna have to figure that out. I think he's going

1027
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: to be like if they get off to a slow start,

1028
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: I think he could be on a hot seat too,

1029
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 4: because the expectations you're saying it, the from management from

1030
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: ownership is like we got to get in the playoffs,

1031
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 4: like we're in the Eastern Conference, we should at least

1032
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: be in the playoffs, and we want to keep Trey

1033
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: Young happy moving forward. So we went and made all

1034
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 4: these moves, made all these like big signings in Gallinari

1035
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 4: and Bogdanovitch and stuff like that, and we did the

1036
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 4: Capella move. Last year, he didn't even play like on paper.

1037
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 4: You're right, they got a lot of good guys. So

1038
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: Pierce has got to figure out the lineups and and

1039
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 4: put some wins together, get some stops too, because the offense,

1040
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 4: you know, is gonna gonna hum when you got Trey

1041
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: Ung leading it. But I hear you on the expectations,

1042
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: so that in turn, if they don't live up to

1043
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: it could be disappointing. But I think Pierce, you were agreeing.

1044
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 4: It sounded like Trey like he's got to make them

1045
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 4: into the play He's got to get them there. I

1046
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: think he could be short lived there in Atlanta, no

1047
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 4: doubt about it.

1048
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: There's pressure for the first time in his coaching career

1049
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and that means we're spending a lot of money.

1050
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: We've got a superstar player who we need to keep happy,

1051
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: who wants to see some w's in the columns. We

1052
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: need to make the playoffs. We need to at the

1053
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: very least, they need to be the tenth seed. They

1054
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: need to make the play in tournament. If they have

1055
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: another season like last year, that's certainly a disappointment in

1056
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: Lloyd Pierce. I think his job could be in jeopardy.

1057
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking about them as a potential

1058
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: playoff team this time last season, not this time, but

1059
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, the theoretical this time last season, and John

1060
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: Collins got suspended right away. In that pretty much submarine

1061
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: their season. They were never able to make a run

1062
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: at the playoffs, and we started hearing buzz about Trey

1063
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: Young wanting some changes around. They got the changes now,

1064
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: which means they need to make the improvement. I think

1065
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: they will make the improvement. I think having a lot

1066
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: of guys will be beneficial this season, playing so many

1067
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: games in such a short timeframe. Not to mention what's

1068
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: going to happen if any teams have COVID diagnosis. We've

1069
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: already seen it going around the Chicago Bulls. So yeah,

1070
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be beneficial to have a lot

1071
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: of players. There still are unanswered questions with Collins and

1072
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I do have faith that Trey IAM's

1073
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: going to be a solid player, that he's going to

1074
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: be able to lift this team to respectability. But a

1075
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: sixth seed that seems pretty Uh. If they're talking sixth

1076
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: seed and they fall short of that, that is a disappointment.

1077
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: So I would set your sites a little lower. Eight

1078
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: would be a huge seed.

1079
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, I think eighth is a nice little goal.

1080
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: Like even if they could, I guess avoid, Yeah, what's

1081
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 4: to avoid the play in tournament? You have to be

1082
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 4: six to You're right, right, because it's seven through ten now,

1083
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, if they're seventh or eighth, I'm sure they're

1084
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 4: very very happy with that. This season, they're looking for

1085
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: a breakout from one of these young guys too, Like

1086
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: you threw out a couple names of earlier tasks, like

1087
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 4: you know, maybe like a hunter or a reddish or

1088
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 4: herd or even like go to a little bit of

1089
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 4: a next level in their game. Would be huge for

1090
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 4: the Hawks in bringing in all those guys along with

1091
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 4: Trey Young. And it's it's in play, but I could

1092
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 4: see if they come up short, very very disappointing, and

1093
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 4: and Pierce will be gone. In my opinion, Yeah.

1094
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: I'm jack to see which one of those three really

1095
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: they're they're top draft picks from the last couple of years.

1096
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hunter and Camraddish going into year two here and

1097
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: then Kevin heard of the year before whether or not

1098
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: they can take the leap? Are they going to get

1099
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: enough minutes Kevin Hurder, It's highly unlikely that he's going

1100
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: to get a ton of minutes. I mean, they want

1101
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: to play him, but now with Bognan Bogdanovich in front

1102
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: of him, and then you got to play you know,

1103
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hunter, Camradish, There's there are a lot of minutes

1104
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: that are going to be that are going by the

1105
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: wayside for those guys. And DeAndre Hunter played a lot

1106
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: last year. People are drinking the juice on him in

1107
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: the preseason that he's he's looking good. I just wonder

1108
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: how it's all going to shake down with that roster

1109
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: because I'm excited about so many of their guys, and

1110
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: then they go and draft h and Coong Wu to

1111
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: back up Clint Cappella. He's I think underrated at the

1112
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: number six spot they got him at, But is he

1113
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: going to play? John Collins is going to play the

1114
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: four five, you got Danilo gallon a right, there's just

1115
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: so many names. How are they going to develop? And

1116
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: you know there's there's some chatter out there and a

1117
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 3: stream teamer branch mentions Harden to the Hawks because if

1118
00:49:59,080 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: if James.

1119
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 4: Are trouble, strip clubs are too.

1120
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: Good here, he's handled Houston.

1121
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: Maybe that's his power, that's like his spinach, because that's

1122
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 4: like the reports right out in the strip club till

1123
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 4: four and a m. And then he'd show up and

1124
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: score fifty the next night.

1125
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, establishing I guess right.

1126
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 5: That backcourt, that backcourt, we've Bogdanovich and Trey Young. Defensively,

1127
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 5: that's an issue too, That's where I mean, they've got

1128
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 5: defensive issues anyway, the Hawks, But it starts right there

1129
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 5: because it's just such small guys, not great defenders.

1130
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: So that's why they're hoping they're wing guys or yeah,

1131
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 4: you know, if Rondo plays like he plays in the

1132
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: playoffs and unlike.

1133
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 5: But again, that's where you know, you can't you know,

1134
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 5: you can't have all those guys out there on the

1135
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 5: floor at once. So they're going to they're going to

1136
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 5: be exposed at times.

1137
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: But and they have to improve on both ends, because

1138
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: although Trey Young is an All Star, I think they're

1139
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: twenty seventh in offense. There are twenty seventh and twenty

1140
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 3: eighth defense offense and one of those flip flip them around,

1141
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: but they're bad in terms of executing, even as good

1142
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: as Trey Young was and John Collins not being around

1143
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: for a big chunk of it was part of it.

1144
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: But to jump up from a non playoff team to

1145
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: a playoff team, it means you've got to jump up

1146
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 3: on both sides. Really like, you've got to be either

1147
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: good and good on both sides of the floor to

1148
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: make the playoffs, or you have to be a lead

1149
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: on one side and crappy on the other. And so

1150
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 3: that's going to be it's gonna be hard, hard pressed

1151
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: to do, especially with finding the just the patterns for

1152
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: those guys in the rotation and can young guys come

1153
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: in and execute. I do agree that it helps to

1154
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: have deep bench right now in this scenario, but I'm

1155
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hunter coming into year two and my minutes get

1156
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: reduced and I'm coming in a spot minutes Am I

1157
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 3: going to perform? It's just hard for young guys to

1158
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 3: do that. So they got the names. It's a fun

1159
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 3: roster to look at.

1160
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 4: It is it is. There's a lot of like notable names.

1161
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 4: We'll see what they do with them. All right, let's

1162
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: get to our next question here, another award question, my

1163
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 4: favorite the most Improved Player tasks who do you got?

1164
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 4: I'm already worried about this award? But who are you picking?

1165
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not actually going to pick this guy, but

1166
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 3: I know you don't like skeets. Oh yeah, oh yeah,

1167
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: oh yeah. When you pick a guy going into a

1168
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: second year, especially a guy who didn't play for the

1169
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: first couple of months of the season, just came in

1170
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 3: and got a little taste, there's going to be some

1171
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 3: crazy votes for the z Man for Zion Williamson, Zion.

1172
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: That's who you were going to go. That's an interesting one.

1173
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to go with Michael Port Jr.

1174
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael Porter also cheating, although people are definitely people

1175
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 3: are picking him. But I'm going to take another guy.

1176
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: Uh And because I have got no shame in my game,

1177
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: I picked this guy last year to win it because

1178
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: I've made the dirty move of going with a guy

1179
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 3: in his second year. Shay Gilders, Alexander last year. Yeah,

1180
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: and so I'll pick him again. They're giving him the

1181
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: keys in okay, see, which I'm I'm a little worried

1182
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 3: about him winning Most Approved because of the two reasons. One,

1183
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: I think you can just focus on shake Gil just Alexander.

1184
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: If you're an opposing coach, let's just try and take

1185
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: him away because there's just not a ton of weapons

1186
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: around him. And second, maybe he improved too much last

1187
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: year to win this award. How is he going to

1188
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: How does he get improve on nineteen points per game

1189
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: that he had last year? He went from eleven in

1190
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: his rookie year to nineteen last year. I do believe

1191
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: he's going to come back after that humbling playoff performance

1192
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 3: in that one series against the Houston Rockets. But if

1193
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: coaches can focus on him on a team that I

1194
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: think is probably going to finish fifteenth in the Western Conference,

1195
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 3: dead last, I'm not so high on this. But I'm

1196
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 3: doing it again just because I'm a little bit angry

1197
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 3: that he didn't get enough recognition last year. He was

1198
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: sort of on the periphery of the most Improved Player

1199
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: talk last year because of that those numbers. I said, Yeah,

1200
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: but I just worry I don't know how worried you are,

1201
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: skits about a guy just being able to be focused

1202
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 3: on he's playing with Al Horford.

1203
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna hope Al Horford's sees draws a lot

1204
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 4: of the attention from the opponent and then SGA can

1205
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 4: break free. Yeah, I mean I think it would take

1206
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 4: something like and I don't think it's that far fetched

1207
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 4: before I say this, it would take him averaging like

1208
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 4: twenty five to five and five, right something along those lines.

1209
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: Really, you guys said he was gonna win MVP, right, well, yeah,

1210
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: Trey and.

1211
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 4: I have some crazy bets going in the future bets

1212
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 4: with that SGA. But you know, he'd have to shoot,

1213
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 4: continue to shoot great from the floor, and he'd have

1214
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: to you know, obviously hit the three ball. If he

1215
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: averages twenty five five to five, I mean, well it

1216
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 4: even matter if o case, he's the worst team in

1217
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 4: the league, he'll get some Yeah yeah, no, right, right,

1218
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 4: So I got is that that far fetched on that team?

1219
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 4: I mean, somebody's gonna have to lead the team. They're

1220
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 4: handing the keys to him, as you said, I mean,

1221
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 4: he's going to probably get his But you made a

1222
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 4: great counter. If the other team just says that's the

1223
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 4: only guy we gotta worry about. Uh, you know, it

1224
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 4: might be easier to take him out, So uh yeah,

1225
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 4: I like that pick though I like you doubling down

1226
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 4: on it, even though I didn't like you doing it. Yeah,

1227
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 4: in his second year, because I think you said Zion

1228
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 4: and I think Michael Porter Jr. You could see see

1229
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 4: why he's already gating the buzz because he's going from

1230
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 4: very limited numbers, what are you average, like nine to

1231
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 4: five or something like that in his rookie year, and

1232
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 4: you know, is it far fetched to think him with

1233
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 4: Jeremy Grant gone, like he gets a bigger roles. He

1234
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 4: averaging like, I don't know, seventeen eighteen nineteen points per game, right,

1235
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: He's gonna get the opportunity reasonable jump. And if the

1236
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 4: Nuggets remain one of the top teams in the West,

1237
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 4: he's getting more exposure. You know, He's just he's playing

1238
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 4: the big games on TNT and stuff like that. I

1239
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 4: could see people voting for him, as much as that

1240
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 4: upsets me because I hate a second year player winning

1241
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: most to Improved. But Shay is in his third I

1242
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: guess Porter's sort of technically in his third because he

1243
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 4: didn't play in his UH in his first year there.

1244
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 4: But who do you have Trey for.

1245
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: Mip well, I just had a quick look up here

1246
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: skeets players who averaged twenty five, five and five last

1247
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: season Harden, Giannis Lebron, Doncic, Russell Westbrook and Kyrie Irving

1248
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: and just a handful of games. So yes, if who

1249
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: if SGA comes out and puts up MVP numbers, I

1250
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: think he might be able to take home the Most

1251
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: Improved Player award. But my pick DeAndre Ayton of the

1252
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns. First reason, he's already pretty good. Eighteen and

1253
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: twelve last year, shot fifty five percent from the floor,

1254
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: made strides on defense, looked a lot more competent, looked

1255
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: like a guy who maybe not is the centerpiece of

1256
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: a defense, but is not a detriment to your defense.

1257
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: And this year he gets to play it with Chris Paul.

1258
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: We've already seen Chris Paul during the preseason yelling at

1259
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: DeAndre eight and about where to be on the floor.

1260
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: This is the preseason. Chris Paul made another DeAndre DeAndre

1261
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: Jordan into an All Star, into an All Defensive team

1262
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of player. I think we're getting a little bit kindler,

1263
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: gentler version of Chris Paul here. He was nicely yelling

1264
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: at DeAndre eight and I thought he was a little

1265
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: more chill than he was when he was yelling at

1266
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: DeAndre Jordan for not shooting that layup with time left

1267
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: on the clock. I just think it's going to very

1268
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: much improve DeAndre Ayton's career prospects playing alongside Chris Paul.

1269
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: He's going to set him up for easy baskets inside,

1270
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna get him the lobs and the dunks, he's

1271
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: gonna get him post touches, and he's going to have

1272
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: him in the right places on defense. The Suns should

1273
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: be an improved team. And I think that Ayton could

1274
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: get some votes for MIP.

1275
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like that that Chris Paul bounce could be real.

1276
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 4: That's a good pick DeAndre Eaton.

1277
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why we're talking about shake Gil just

1278
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: Alexander at all in the first place.

1279
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, right, because he was paired up, he learned

1280
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 4: under Chris Paul. Hey, look, with MIP recently, you do

1281
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: have to make that jump. It appears to an all

1282
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 4: star level lely, So I don't know if you're continuing

1283
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 4: with that thinking, it's usually a good guy that goes

1284
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: to a, you know, an All Star type of level,

1285
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 4: even sometimes an All MBA type of level with you know,

1286
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 4: I don't have the list in front of me, but

1287
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 4: your Oladipo's and your Paul George's from years pass and

1288
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 4: stuff like that. Who do you have for MIP this year?

1289
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 5: Well, I'm going with Jamal Murray, but he was kind

1290
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 5: of too good down in the bubble that he's almost like,

1291
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 5: I think it already reached that level where we know

1292
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 5: what he can be at. He just has to be

1293
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 5: playoff or bubble Jamal Murray during the regular season because

1294
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 5: he's regular season last year started off very slow. He

1295
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 5: got it together a little bit, but yeah, the averages

1296
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 5: eighteen points a game. In the playoffs, he averaged twenty

1297
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 5: six a game on forty five percent shooting from downtown.

1298
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 5: And he also had those huge moments down there. And

1299
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 5: I think I picked in last year to be making

1300
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 5: an All Star team, and that's why he's a little

1301
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 5: bit disappointed that he didn't do it, and this year,

1302
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 5: I think if he doesn't, that'll be a huge disappointment.

1303
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 5: You know, talking about Michael Porter Junior, who will have

1304
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 5: a bigger role for the Nuggets. But I think Jamal

1305
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 5: Murray is the key for Denver really putting themselves, elevating

1306
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 5: themselves into that top group. Because Jokich, I think will

1307
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 5: be great. We know what he's going to do. But

1308
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 5: Murray showed down there in the bubble. He can be

1309
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 5: very very special when he's on because he's got that

1310
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 5: ability to turn games and turn series, you know. I

1311
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 5: mean he did that twice really against the Jazz and

1312
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 5: then against the Clippers and he hit some huge shots.

1313
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 5: Of course, they got the game against the Lakers where

1314
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 5: he was fantastic there as well. So he is the

1315
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 5: sort of guy I think he's got superstar potential and

1316
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 5: I want to see him show it during the regular season.

1317
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 5: So what will he do this year? Because he's a

1318
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 5: bit like Yokich, he doesn't have that month where he

1319
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 5: has to play himself in. He's young. He should be

1320
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 5: ready to go, and yeah, I think the xpectations on

1321
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 5: him are very very big. So I just I just

1322
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 5: wonder though, if that you know, the horse has already

1323
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 5: bolted though for that, because it was like, yeah, he's

1324
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 5: already too good, like we if he puts up.

1325
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 4: Because I think what you said. If he can continue

1326
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 4: to do what he did in the ball if he

1327
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 4: brings that to the regular season, then I think there's

1328
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 4: a keys to be made. Yeah, I know.

1329
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 5: I mean, he's he's just awesome. He's just awesome to watch, though.

1330
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 5: Jamal Murray, you know he because that first season he

1331
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 5: was a little bit inconsistent the second season as well,

1332
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 5: but down in the bubble, I just thought that's the

1333
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 5: sort of guy that he can be. He just needs

1334
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 5: to do that during the regular season, do it consistently

1335
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 5: night in and night out, because man, he had a

1336
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 5: couple of those huge performances and if he can deliver that,

1337
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 5: then I think the Nuggets really do improve. They had

1338
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 5: a bit of a rough offseason, but he's the key

1339
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 5: for that team.

1340
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so you'll getch for MVP and Mari number one.

1341
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 5: I had Joe Kitch last year for MVP, and I

1342
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 5: just don't think he can. I just don't think he

1343
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 5: can keep it together for the entire season.

1344
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: As great as he is.

1345
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: Well, let's hear from you eyes. With all these awards,

1346
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 4: the stream teamers and everybody listening, at no dunk sake,

1347
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 4: let's here your most improved player picks. Please, for the

1348
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 4: sake of my sanity, don't pick a second year player.

1349
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: Like what about Job Moran?

1350
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 4: He was rookie last year, John Mortt, Yeah, there you go.

1351
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 4: Jaron Jackson junior? What year is he in? Since? Year three?

1352
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 4: For him?

1353
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: Right?

1354
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 2: Good?

1355
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 5: I think?

1356
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1357
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 4: Okay?

1358
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: I like the John Moran. That's interesting. You gave him

1359
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 3: a dark horse nod for the MVP. Could he win

1360
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year last year and then m IP

1361
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 3: n m v P this year?

1362
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 4: Wow? Given both, that's never been done. That would be

1363
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 4: a fou All right, we got a few more questions

1364
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 4: here in part two of our season preview series. But

1365
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 4: first quick word from our sponsors. All right, back to

1366
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 4: the questions are burning questions, as we call them. This

1367
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 4: one sort of looking backwards a little bit, but of

1368
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: course it impacts moving forward. Best under the radar off

1369
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: season move, Trey get us started? What got your attention, Skates?

1370
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: I got to ask you a question first? Yeah, how

1371
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: deep are we going here? How deep isn't under the

1372
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: radar offseason move? I love the Robert Covington move for

1373
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: the Blazers. This guy started for a playoff team. He's

1374
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna start for another playoff team. He's made all defense

1375
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: in the past. The Blazers traded two first round picks

1376
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: for him. This was a big over the radar move,

1377
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: would you.

1378
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 4: Agree, yes, Like like the start of a Binge mode episode.

1379
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: I want you to go deep.

1380
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh we're going deep, alrighty, Then let me hit you

1381
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: with a little Seth Curry to the seventy six ers.

1382
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: I love that he should start. He's gonna shoot for

1383
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: the sixers. He's got great percentages. By percentage, the greatest

1384
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: shooter in NBA history, just like Lee ellis the greatest

1385
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: shooter in No Dump's history. Seth Curry only took five

1386
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: threes per game last year, though I don't know exactly

1387
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: how he will work in the dock River system, but

1388
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: you have to imagine he's going to be taken more

1389
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: than that, maybe eight or nine. And that, to me

1390
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: is the huge benefit over Josh Richardson, who was probably

1391
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: a better player on hole. But Curry, he just lets

1392
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: it fly, and that let it fly factor is so huge.

1393
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: You know, Josh Richardson would get a lot of looks

1394
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: on the outside that would maybe turn into a pump fake,

1395
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: and suddenly he's shooting a twenty foot or rather than

1396
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: something's gonna be worth another point by taking a few

1397
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: steps back. I just like adding a guy who all

1398
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna do is every time he touches it, make

1399
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: the right pass or shoot a three. That's exactly what

1400
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: the Sixers need downgrading talent wise. I think upped their

1401
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: floor and their ceiling a little bit getting a guy

1402
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: who's just gonna be a knockdown shooter. Love it for

1403
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: Seth Curry. Not to mention they're getting some financial benefits

1404
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: as well. Josh Richardson gonna be a free agent after

1405
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: this season, whereas Seth Curry is locked in for another

1406
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: three years on a pretty good deal. This was a

1407
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: great get for the Sixers.

1408
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, ironically, I think Josh Richardson hit like six threes

1409
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: last night for the Mavericks. So yeah, he's stepping back.

1410
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 4: He's taking your advice there, Trey. But that's a deep one.

1411
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 4: I like that Seth Curry pick. People are excited about, yeah,

1412
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 4: getting shooters back around Simmons and and beg to see

1413
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 4: how Doc implements him. What do you got, Leley?

1414
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 5: I like beeg Steven Adams going to the New Orleans Pelicans.

1415
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 5: That was in a trade, that Big fourteen trade. But

1416
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how under the radar that

1417
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 5: count because Steven's a very good player, but they re

1418
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 5: upped him for two years and thirty five mil while

1419
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 5: he was there, so he's a part of their short

1420
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 5: term future there for sure.

1421
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, some people disagree with this one leads well, you know,

1422
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 4: Hollander is not very high on you.

1423
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1424
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 5: What I like about it though, is he's just a good, strong,

1425
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 5: tough guy, which is what those younger guys Ingram and

1426
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 5: Zion need there because Zion's a big, powerful guy, but

1427
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 5: he's still a young you know, his body has still

1428
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 5: got some maturing to do there. And I have having

1429
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 5: Steven Adams there as well. He's a great screen setter,

1430
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 5: he gets in there, gets those rebounds. He's just a good,

1431
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 5: solid defensive player, and that's what these younger guys needs

1432
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 5: because Brandon Ingram, I mean, what's he going into his

1433
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 5: fifth season? Is it a fourth season? He still looks

1434
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 5: just so thin. He's one of those guys like Chris Bosh.

1435
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 5: He just can't put weight on, it seems. And so

1436
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 5: I think that's going to be as great as he's

1437
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 5: been offensively, he was very good last season. He does

1438
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 5: get he becomes a little bit exposed on the defensive

1439
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 5: end just because he can't sort of box out guys

1440
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 5: and use his body to his advantage. So I think

1441
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 5: having Steven Adams there is is a nice contribution to

1442
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 5: that team, a nice addition. I think it was good

1443
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 5: of David Griffin to go out and get him.

1444
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 3: I was super super high on him when they made

1445
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: the pick. I do understand the feeling out there that

1446
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 3: Steven Adams just clogs the land for Zion Williamson and

1447
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 3: other guys because there's just not a lot of shooting

1448
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: on that team. Zion needs to get to the rim.

1449
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 3: If you see a shot chart from last night, it's

1450
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 3: just a bunch of dots at the rim. Yeah, and

1451
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: Eric Bledsoe ain't stretching it out. You can leave him

1452
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: Lonzo ball. Although that shot is improved, that's that's a worry.

1453
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 3: But I am in the camp that somehow Steven Adams

1454
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: is going to make things right. It's probably a bit

1455
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 3: of a just just it's a love affair with Steven

1456
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 3: Adams that I have. That's why I'm definitely I feel

1457
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 3: good about it. Stan Ban Gunny is obviously going to

1458
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 3: like him at the rim to make his defensive presence known,

1459
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 3: but they're gonna have to figure that out him in Zion,

1460
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 3: for sure. Zion handling the ball there though on the

1461
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: outside guys are sort of sagging off him, and it

1462
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 3: almost doesn't matter. He's just gonna get to the rim

1463
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 3: no matter what. Even if there isn't any shooting out there.

1464
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: It sure looks like he's just too big and too strong.

1465
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: So he's got that juice going. Everybody excited for him

1466
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: last year kool aid drinking in the preseason. It seems

1467
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 3: like it's happening again. He is looking he's looking good

1468
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: so far.

1469
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 4: Who do you have tasks as you're under the radar?

1470
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: Move like Trey.

1471
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 3: I'm going deep into the league. Bryn Forbes of the

1472
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 3: mill Bus.

1473
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, I thought I was deep and you

1474
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: went subterraining. We're in Forbes.

1475
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm overvaluing him because his last name is Forbes.

1476
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 4: He's on your list.

1477
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's on my top fifty of transactions of this year.

1478
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: Under the radar definitely, But for the San Antonio Spurs

1479
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 3: in his four years, he shot forty percent from three.

1480
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: He is a start of the last two years for

1481
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 3: the Spurs. He's twenty seven years old, so he knows

1482
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: his role, like sort of Seth Curry. This is where

1483
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 3: he gets his money. He's just got to be a shooter.

1484
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: And who is going to be that fifth guy? As

1485
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 3: Trey brought up earlier, you know your four guys on

1486
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: the floor are going to be Drew Giannis, Brook Lopez,

1487
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 3: and Chris Middleton. Brent Forbes isn't a defender. But at

1488
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 3: the same time, do you have to be with those

1489
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 3: four guys I mentioned? Probably not. You can look back

1490
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: at the Bucks last year and say, well, Kyle Korver

1491
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 3: didn't really work out. He's sort of in that same vein.

1492
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 3: Marvin Williams didn't really work out. He's in that same vein.

1493
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: But Brin's a lot younger, and I just got faith

1494
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 3: in him, as you know, to be a system defender.

1495
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 3: And he's going to get some minutes, get some burned

1496
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 3: because he's playing for Mike Budenholzer and so Dante Di

1497
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: Vincenzo's starting at shooting guard at this point. Forbes, I

1498
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 3: think we'll get his chance in the back cord along

1499
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: with DJ Augustine and the guy just lights it up,

1500
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: so just stand there and hit shots. I think we'll

1501
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 3: be seeing some Bryn Forbes threes made this season. Even

1502
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 3: though he didn't make highlights last year with the Spurs,

1503
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 3: he was knocking them down.

1504
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, going from Popovich to Bootenhols is a pretty smooth transition,

1505
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 5: I think, because I think Bryn Forbes Brin Forbs actually

1506
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 5: pretty decent offensively. I think he's a solid play. He

1507
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 5: can hit those shots he had. I think he had

1508
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 5: a couple of games he hit six or seven three,

1509
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 5: so he's capable of doing it, but a little inconsistent.

1510
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 5: But again, Papovich has probably said the Bootenholls, this guy's

1511
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 5: not too bad.

1512
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to be completely transparent here. I forgot Brent

1513
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 4: Forbes was on the Bucks, I thought, and we were

1514
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 4: looking at that Spurs photo yesterday when we were talking

1515
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 4: about the best jerseys that Brent Forbes was in that photo.

1516
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 4: But he wasn't because he's on the Bucks. So that's

1517
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 4: a d pole for sure, and you like him contributing.

1518
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: I can see it. A name we already mentioned actually

1519
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 4: on this podcas cast that I thought was an under

1520
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 4: the radar season move. Rondie Hollis Jefferson. No, I don't

1521
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 4: think the Wolves are ultimately going to make the playoffs,

1522
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 4: as I've talked about, I think they are going to

1523
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 4: come up short. But he is exactly the type of

1524
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 4: guy they need, and he was solid for their appse

1525
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 4: at times last year, and he is just a defensive

1526
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 4: minded guy. He can still he can sort of He's

1527
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 4: a bit of a streaky guy. He can catch these

1528
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 4: like weird games where he just doesn't miss a shot

1529
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 4: every once in a while, and he had one in

1530
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 4: preseason for the Wolves. I guess that was last night

1531
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 4: or the night before. So that's a nice pickup. That

1532
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 4: is a nice little move, very under the radar, but

1533
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 4: those are the type of guys that you want to

1534
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 4: put around star guys, especially to help defensively, and he

1535
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 4: might get some burn there under Ryan Saunters for the Timberwolves,

1536
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 4: so I will go with him. I will also say

1537
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,520
Speaker 4: it was one of the biggest moves of the offseason,

1538
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 4: but we talked about it from the Bucks side of

1539
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 4: things and them getting Drew Holiday. The Pelicans nabbed two

1540
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 4: first and two pick swaps for Drew Holiday. It started.

1541
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I know it was written about at the time,

1542
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 4: but that's pretty damn good return on a guy that

1543
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 4: we all talked about leaving eventually, and Griffin, you know,

1544
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 4: end landon, you know, to average Milwaukee's fear of basically

1545
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 4: losing the honest into getting two vets, one in which

1546
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 4: they're keeping Bloodsoe, one which they already traded in George Hill,

1547
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 4: and then these years worth of lottery picks. That's a smooth,

1548
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 4: smooth ass move for a team. It's like, it's not

1549
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 4: really going to kill like what they're doing this year too.

1550
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 4: I think the Pelican still have, you know, plans to

1551
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 4: make the play in tournament, right, to make the playoffs

1552
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 4: with some of their vets in Reddick and Adams around

1553
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 4: their young talent and Ingram and Zion and stuff like

1554
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 4: that and ball. But then they get all these bites

1555
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 4: of the apple. If Yannis leaves for I mean, those

1556
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 4: could be incredible picks. So let's give a little love

1557
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 4: to Griff, who we love on this show.

1558
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 3: A move was manscaped. It was smooth assr.

1559
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk let's talk puns. We always do this

1560
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 4: question for some reason, We've continued to do it in

1561
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 4: our season previews. It's to predict a fantastic New York

1562
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 4: Post headline. Again, We've done this for five, six, seven

1563
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 4: years now, So Lee, why don't you get us started.

1564
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 4: What New York Post punny headline are we going to

1565
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 4: see this year?

1566
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 5: Well, the first very first game of the regular season

1567
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 5: on opening night is Warriors at Nets. That's huge, What

1568
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 5: a great start to the season. And I think the

1569
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 5: Nets get the win. And I think on the front

1570
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 5: page you're going to see a picture of a smiling

1571
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant with the words above his each shoulder sort

1572
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 5: of in between his head there or surrounding his head

1573
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 5: easy money. You know, he's easy money sniper. And then

1574
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 5: below it just says kd Ko's former team.

1575
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, So wow, the New York Post showing

1576
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 4: some Nets love. I mean they're usually focused on the Necks,

1577
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 4: but uh okay, hey, that's very very possible. I would say,

1578
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 4: what do you have tasks?

1579
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 3: Well, the Knicks head coach is Tom Thiberdeaux. He's going

1580
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 3: to want to win basketball games. I'm not sure that's

1581
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 3: going to happen in New York this season. So when

1582
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 3: things are not going very well and they keep losing games,

1583
01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 3: there will be a front page with Tom Thibodeau yelling, screaming,

1584
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 3: with the headline the thibbing point is it over? Are

1585
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 3: we going to have to hand this guy?

1586
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 4: Okay?

1587
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 3: You know that's that's what the writers will go with. Ye.

1588
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 3: I think that's that's very, very possible.

1589
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,839
Speaker 4: Maybe like sort of scales involved somehow in the graphic

1590
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 4: with him yelling there, yeah, all.

1591
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,839
Speaker 3: Right, hopefully justice winslow beats them and it's the scales

1592
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: of justice.

1593
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 4: Grizzlies. What do you got, Trey? What's your New York

1594
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 4: Post outline?

1595
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: The only Tom Thibodeau one I could come up with

1596
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: was nice Ice. There was no there was nothing that

1597
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: actually made sense for it, just the fact that there

1598
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: have been numerous late nights we've had talking about a

1599
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: business opportunity called nice Ice that would deliver ice to

1600
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: your house. What do you most desperately need ice? We're

1601
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: talking artisanal ices here, but that is not mine? Mine? Uh? Mine?

1602
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: Is Obi Topping related? Uh? Not only is he a

1603
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: New York guy, he's got the perfect name for puns.

1604
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: So I think that's two of the reasons that the

1605
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: Knicks drafted him. Maybe he dunks really hard on somebody's

1606
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: head on Topping. Maybe maybe he gets injured, Oh, Nobi,

1607
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: maybe he has a fifty point game, Wooby Obie.

1608
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1609
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: He's got a perfect name for punning go crazy post.

1610
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 5: Oh what about he hits a game winner? Obi won

1611
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 5: Well look.

1612
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 4: At this, guys, we are Star Wars.

1613
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: You know they're having Star Wars.

1614
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 4: We are in sync, Trey, because that was my pick

1615
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 4: as well. He's already made the New York Post already

1616
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 4: in the preseason show a JD.

1617
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: There it is.

1618
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 4: He cracked the back page of The New York Post

1619
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 4: with which I think is actually a brutal uh take

1620
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 4: on his name top flight on Obi Topping. I mean,

1621
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 4: come on, you can do better than that. But maybe

1622
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 4: they're they're saving theirs for the regular season. So you

1623
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 4: said it, you know, Star Wars Night, that's an obvious one,

1624
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 4: Obi wan Kenobi. It's twice in there for crying out loud,

1625
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 4: the Knicks defeat the Spurs, Top of the Pops and

1626
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 4: then Lee. I think you'll like this one. Although it's

1627
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 4: better to say than read, I realized after a monster

1628
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 4: Obi top in twenty twenty night, we're gonna get like

1629
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 4: an Austin Powers inspired ob haveve but I realized it

1630
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 4: won't look as good when you write it. Thought it's

1631
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 4: gotta be like ob I, and then it just sounds

1632
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 4: like and then you read it as have like it

1633
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 4: says Obi have, but it's O behave.

1634
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: So this is a real game boy. You found Austin

1635
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: Powers obe have made by Rockstar Games, the maker of

1636
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: Grand Theatado and Red Dead Redemption.

1637
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 4: Yes, so I must have jad you went to this

1638
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 4: a little early, but that's fine, my man. Yeah, Trey,

1639
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 4: I saw this and looking up this dumb pun for

1640
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 4: Obi topin and I couldn't believe this game existed, Like

1641
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 4: this is an Austin Powers game boy color game, Like

1642
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 4: I got what won't doing this? I don't know, I

1643
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 4: don't know, but we gotta find out. I think we

1644
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 4: got to start up a No Dunk's twitch and play

1645
01:13:55,080 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 4: Obi So yeah those so yeah, train I, you and

1646
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 4: I thinking up through all these Obie top and puns

1647
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 4: that the New York Post headline could uh could do.

1648
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 4: And it makes sense because they'd all be using Adobe photoshop.

1649
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 4: Yeah all right.

1650
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: God. We got a great comment in the stream team

1651
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: from Evander Evander who says, LMAO, I just imagine you guys,

1652
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: sitting at home thinking about your puns, laughing by yourself. Yeah,

1653
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we're doing, and now we're doing it

1654
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: on a podcast from our homes, laughing at it.

1655
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 5: Definitely the Thibodeau Ice was I was trying to work

1656
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 5: an ice one in there, you know, like ice, ice

1657
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 5: baby or something like that that, I all.

1658
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 4: What about ice to beat you?

1659
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: They put his head on Arnold Schwartz's hear from that

1660
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: Batman movie.

1661
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ice ice Obi. The thing is the I the

1662
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 5: ice just doesn't work because that's like him just calling

1663
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 5: it out on defense, you know, like, but it's it's

1664
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 5: so it's so ingrained in what Tibbs does. That's what

1665
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 5: we're gonna hear. So you're trying to.

1666
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,560
Speaker 4: Okay, well, if you have a New York Post headline

1667
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 4: that you expect will see this here, let us know

1668
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 4: in the stream team, let us know, uh, tweet at

1669
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 4: us at no dunk sinc.

1670
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 3: I love the cherry on topping.

1671
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 4: I mean that's the funniest the top and you like,

1672
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 4: you think you're gonna go with Obie, but actually it's

1673
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 4: the top and that you're probably gonna have more to

1674
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 4: play with with that top, you know, there's not a

1675
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 4: lot of things that rhyme with Obi. Really, there's not

1676
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 4: a TONB. Yeah.

1677
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: I know.

1678
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 4: As much as you think.

1679
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 5: You got one, because it's not. It's not at the

1680
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 5: front of my Lobi.

1681
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: I like it.

1682
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 4: I like that, I say it.

1683
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1684
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 4: Alright, let's call it there. Part two of our Burning

1685
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 4: Questions season preview series. Get you No Dunks merch No

1686
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 4: Dunks dot com. Get your questions in for our next

1687
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 4: beach step in email them no dunks at the Athletic

1688
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,280
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1689
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 4: Leave your five star ratings and reviews on Apple Podcast.

1690
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 4: Make sure you subscribe to us on YouTube. Back tomorrow,

1691
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 4: Back on Wednesday to answer more Burning Questions about the

1692
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 4: upcoming NBA season. Can't wait until then, Clipper Bros.

1693
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: You heard it here first. Have a great time, turn up,

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Speaker 1: Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. And remember the name of the

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Speaker 3: nineties R and B group that we talked about earlier

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Speaker 3: is definitely Tony Tony Tony. It's not Tone. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure if that was a joke. Oh problem, Well that's

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Speaker 3: Tony Tony Tony.

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Speaker 1: Obi Obie Obie.

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Speaker 4: Embrace today people, you.

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Speaker 2: Can stay every day, and Dange happy every minute.

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Speaker 1: It's been so long that your faready, it's gonna be

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