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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shah. I am
Speaker 1: your host, Shanny Sharp. I'm also the propriud of Club
Speaker 1: Shashe the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the
Speaker 1: drink today. Is one of America's most famous and successful entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1: He created the world's first streaming platform. He's one of
Speaker 1: the top ten Wall Street trades of all time. He's
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Speaker 1: in cable and sports industry. Self made multi billionaire, savvy entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: Internet pioneer, genius financier, highly respected businessman. A celebrated sports owner.
Speaker 1: He helped the Dallas Mavericks win their first NBA title
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. Primetime television star, he was a Shark
Speaker 1: on the award winning TV show Shark Tank, as an
Speaker 1: executive producer for Academy Award winning movie It's best selling
Speaker 1: author aviad philanthropists, humanitarian and mogul.
Speaker 4: Here he is ladies and gentlemen, Mark Huban. When you
Speaker 4: hear all those.
Speaker 2: Things you like, damn, I was like, no more, no, no,
Speaker 2: you're just telling me. I'm old.
Speaker 4: That's all you drink? Mark?
Speaker 2: Yeah, do I drink y'all?
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well you know, hey, this is my own Kangyak
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Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: You don't men think about.
Speaker 2: Kanyac ya a little bit. But I'm a simper right,
Speaker 2: I'm not like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, ain't expecting you take this into the domemark.
Speaker 2: I didn't say I never have. I'm just saying thanks
Speaker 2: for having me on, thanks for coming on. Appreciate you
Speaker 2: oh so much.
Speaker 4: For being a Sipper.
Speaker 2: Yeah shit, a tiny one.
Speaker 1: So let's get ready to it. Your big acquisition this
Speaker 1: offseason was Klay Thompson. Obviously you got Luca, we know
Speaker 1: what Luke is. You have Kyrie, a guy that can
Speaker 1: take make big shots, tremendous handles. How were you able
Speaker 1: to convince Clay to come to Dallas when his dad
Speaker 1: wanted him to go to LA He grew up as
Speaker 1: a Lakers fan, Kobe was his idol.
Speaker 4: How did you convince him join us in Dallas?
Speaker 2: I mean credit goes to Nico and Kyrie and j Kidd, Right,
Speaker 2: they know him, They've played with them, they understand him.
Speaker 2: And that's literally why we brought Nico Harrison in because
Speaker 2: of his relationships with players, and so they went out
Speaker 2: and spend time with him, got to know him better.
Speaker 2: And really, and I think Clay was ready for a move,
Speaker 2: you know all the degreef he got last year, particularly
Speaker 2: the way it is, so the timing was right, and
Speaker 2: you know, kudos to Kate, to Clay for being willing
Speaker 2: to make the move in, kudos to Nico, J Kidd
Speaker 2: and Kai for making it happen.
Speaker 1: Is it hard to convince players when they've had such
Speaker 1: success in one locale and they've been there for the
Speaker 1: extended period of time, and that's their identity.
Speaker 4: They're known.
Speaker 1: He's always going to be known as a warrior, no
Speaker 1: matter what happens. If they win a title here, he'll
Speaker 1: still be known as a warrior. Is it really hard
Speaker 1: to convince players to join a new franchise when they've
Speaker 1: been associated with one franch afflets?
Speaker 2: All depends if they're the number one guy or number
Speaker 2: two guy or number three guy. Okay, right, if you're
Speaker 2: number one, like Stef's not going anywhere, right, right, you
Speaker 2: could understand, you know, now the Brons moved around just
Speaker 2: for different reasons. But the number two guy, if if
Speaker 2: it's not going the way you want, then yeah, the
Speaker 2: door is open. But it takes somebody who's special, somebody
Speaker 2: who's got the confidence in themselves, somebody who's got the ambition,
Speaker 2: and somebody who really has got something to prove, right,
Speaker 2: and Clay's got a lot to prove, which is great
Speaker 2: because those are the kind of guys you want to
Speaker 2: the squad, right, because they're going to go they're gonna
Speaker 2: work harder than ever to prove people wrong.
Speaker 1: You come off one of your best seasons. Since you
Speaker 1: won the NBA title, you get to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: Luca had an outstanding gear. I think he finished top
Speaker 1: three in the MVP. Kyrie was sensational. Why weren't you
Speaker 1: guys able to get over that hump against the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 1: You lose that series?
Speaker 2: For one, Celtics are good, right, I mean they didn't
Speaker 2: have a lot of weaknesses and so, and in order
Speaker 2: to beat them, we had to make a lot of
Speaker 2: threes and we just didn't. You know, our three point
Speaker 2: shooting wasn't up to par where it was during the
Speaker 2: playoffs for the regular season. We couldn't get stops like
Speaker 2: we needed to, and we couldn't get the rim to
Speaker 2: the rim the way we needed to. When when Jaylen
Speaker 2: Brown is blocking shots at the rim and being a
Speaker 2: rib protector, you know it's not your day. So you know,
Speaker 2: credit to them. But you know, adding Clay, adding Nause,
Speaker 2: I mean we got better, right you are.
Speaker 1: This the following the previous off season, you added Kyrie.
Speaker 1: You know you trade and make the trade for him,
Speaker 1: but you sign him, re signed him in free agency.
Speaker 1: How did you know that he and Luca would play
Speaker 1: a play so well together because Luca needs the ball.
Speaker 1: Kyrie needs the ball to do with he stuff, but
Speaker 1: he can play off the ball. How did you know
Speaker 1: that they'll work together.
Speaker 2: Because they're both basketball savants, but they understand the game,
Speaker 2: they know how to play, they know what it takes
Speaker 2: to win. They compliment each other in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: You know, Luca's big, strong, not so quick, where Kyrie's
Speaker 2: quick handles. I mean they both got handles right out
Speaker 2: of the world handles, but just plays the game a
Speaker 2: little differently. And when you have a back court that
Speaker 2: can compliment each other and both are willing to let
Speaker 2: the other guy lead when the time is right, that's
Speaker 2: when it's going to work. Like when we first traded
Speaker 2: for him, they couldn't figure each other out because they
Speaker 2: hadn't had a preseason together. And then you know, last
Speaker 2: year it took a little time. I mean we didn't
Speaker 2: get it right at the beginning, but by the end
Speaker 2: of the year they were playing off each other great
Speaker 2: and it was like, because you know, Luca just loves
Speaker 2: to start a game by taking over, and then Kai
Speaker 2: is fourth quarter, Kai right, and if Kay is rolling,
Speaker 2: Luca's like here you go. And if guy's not rolling,
Speaker 2: goes give me the ball, it's my turn, right, And
Speaker 2: when they got that respect in that relationship, that's when
Speaker 2: everything changed.
Speaker 1: But you know, Kyrie had a history of what transpired
Speaker 1: him in Cleveland and it was boffed in and it
Speaker 1: didn't work out with the nass and the head. So
Speaker 1: how do you deal with a player that you know
Speaker 1: it might not have worked out over here, It might
Speaker 1: not have worked out over there, It might not have
Speaker 1: worked out over there, but you know what, I believe
Speaker 1: in this player and it's going to work out over here.
Speaker 4: How do you how do you assess that mark?
Speaker 2: You talk to them, and you talk to people around them.
Speaker 2: You watch what happens. You know how their actions are.
Speaker 2: When you watch Kyrie before he came to the Mavsie,
Speaker 2: when you watch Kyrie after the game, you know, you
Speaker 2: see you know football, right, these guys will swap jerseys,
Speaker 2: slap each other right, and walk out the door and
Speaker 2: never talk to each other again. Kyrie is one of
Speaker 2: those guys like he's gonna hug you, and yeah, he's
Speaker 2: gonna hug you like he's known you for twenty years
Speaker 2: and you guys are first cousins, yes, right, And that
Speaker 2: says something when guys are getting that close to each other.
Speaker 2: And so when you talk to players, they loved them. Yes,
Speaker 2: nobody had a bad word to say about Kyrie that
Speaker 2: ever stepped on the court. And so to me, that
Speaker 2: was all we needed to know. And then from there
Speaker 2: all the things you said, Okay, what what wrong in
Speaker 2: Bossed and what went wrong in Brooklyn? A lot of
Speaker 2: that is maturity, right, but a lot of it was
Speaker 2: circumstances too right. How often is COVID going to hit right,
Speaker 2: you know and lead to those circumstances. And what we
Speaker 2: learned was you just like Kaybee Kai, you know, and
Speaker 2: I love talking to the guy, and I say this
Speaker 2: all the time, Like, you know, if you go back
Speaker 2: to your college days and you're sitting in the dorm
Speaker 2: and you're hanging out with friends, there's a couple guys
Speaker 2: that just want to get trashed, right, There's a couple
Speaker 2: guys that want to get trashed and talk about girls, right,
Speaker 2: and then you all talk about sports. Kai is the
Speaker 2: dude that's sitting there wanting to talk about world peace? Right,
Speaker 2: Why aren't we fixing this? You know? How do we
Speaker 2: end hunger? He's just got that, He's got a heart
Speaker 2: of gold. He's got a huge heart and he wants
Speaker 2: to help people, you know, and even if you look
Speaker 2: at his social media, it's about his tribe, right, It's
Speaker 2: about the people around him and how we can lift
Speaker 2: people up right, his community, and that once we saw that,
Speaker 2: I mean to me, it was easy to make that decision.
Speaker 1: When you hear people like man, they're misunderstood. What was
Speaker 1: your perception of Kyrie before you actually got around Kyrie
Speaker 1: and found out what type of genuine person they.
Speaker 2: Honestly, before I did the work, I thought he was
Speaker 2: the team killer, Okay, right. I was just like, because
Speaker 2: I never talked, there was no point. There was no
Speaker 2: reason for me to talk to people about him. Right,
Speaker 2: It's just like, hey, if he doesn't want to play
Speaker 2: when the mass comes to town, great, Right, things don't
Speaker 2: work out on another team, great, But you know, when
Speaker 2: the opportunity to trade for him came, it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's do the work. And you know, Nico did the work.
Speaker 2: Jay Kid knew him, Nico knew him for years and
Speaker 2: it was like, okay, let me talk to folks, and
Speaker 2: everybody loved him. And so then you looked at the
Speaker 2: organizations he was at and you know.
Speaker 4: That didn't help the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so I mean I knew all these owners, right,
Speaker 2: and I knew the circumstances, and so you know, it
Speaker 2: wasn't a hard decision.
Speaker 1: What when you sit down and talk to Kay and
Speaker 1: you mentioned it earlier, like you look at the social
Speaker 1: media feed and he's talking about things that normal guys,
Speaker 1: he is a probably not talking about. But when he
Speaker 1: got dropped by some of these major sponsors, what did
Speaker 1: you what did you share with it?
Speaker 2: I was like, can I help? And obviously you know
Speaker 2: when it comes to shoes, which is big money off court,
Speaker 2: we got Nico Harrison right there, right, and so Nico
Speaker 2: gave him a lot of guidance and support. He had
Speaker 2: talked to him and worked with him at Nike. So
Speaker 2: Nico was great. And you know I talked to Kai
Speaker 2: about business and he was just like Mark, I just
Speaker 2: want to be myself, lead the way I want to
Speaker 2: lead and be creative. And he found a great deal, right,
Speaker 2: and he's been making it work. If you notice the
Speaker 2: deals he signed since he came to us. There's no problems, right,
Speaker 2: There's no issues because we just let Kai be Kai.
Speaker 2: And when you do that, good things happened, right.
Speaker 1: Now, Is it true that when Giannis was a free agent,
Speaker 1: you did you want to silence try and because I'm
Speaker 1: reading this like you passed on Yanis.
Speaker 2: Okay, two different things, right, So when Giannis was getting
Speaker 2: drafted right, right, that's when you passed. That's when we passed,
Speaker 2: right because we had Dirk and this is like twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: I think it was in twenty thirteen, and we would
Speaker 2: just won the championship two years ago, and so some
Speaker 2: of our people wanted to go for Gianni's I wanted
Speaker 2: to trade down and we ended up getting Shane Lark
Speaker 2: and not because so much of Shane who could play,
Speaker 2: but we needed that cap room to go out and
Speaker 2: try to sign somebody to propel Dirk. We wanted to
Speaker 2: go for the gold againet another one, right, We wanted
Speaker 2: to get another one, so you know, but it's just
Speaker 2: the way it worked out. And had we gotten honest,
Speaker 2: we never gotten Luca.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, So how do you make how do you
Speaker 4: how do you do that mark?
Speaker 1: Because you're like, Okay, there's this guy here and we
Speaker 1: have a superstar already on the team and we're trying
Speaker 1: to maximize because he's not going to play another ten years, right,
Speaker 1: so we want to maximize this. So how do you
Speaker 1: really determine because you look at Young's like, damn if
Speaker 1: we don't have you, Luke.
Speaker 2: But remember remember so Yann's coming out, there were like
Speaker 2: I vividly remember there were two VHS tapes of him
Speaker 2: playing in the Greek League. That was Oh, they had
Speaker 2: to show me, you know, you know, like the old
Speaker 2: school tapes if you went into yards sale, right and
Speaker 2: you find these days, you know when it's got lines
Speaker 2: and everything and it looks like somebody, you know, someone's
Speaker 2: mom shot it. That's what it was, right, And look
Speaker 2: he got drafted at thirteen I think or something like that,
Speaker 2: and so you know it wasn't like every other team
Speaker 2: knew about it either. But you know, you have to
Speaker 2: respect Dirk. You have to respect what he's done for us.
Speaker 2: And I already know, like Dirk, if we had just,
Speaker 2: you know, instead of going for it in free agency,
Speaker 2: if we had just said, Okay, this rookie's going to
Speaker 2: be great, it would be like what a shit show.
Speaker 4: With all love?
Speaker 2: Right, because Dirk's all love. But you know, so you know,
Speaker 2: just out of respect to Dirk, it was my it
Speaker 2: was my final decision and we went for it and
Speaker 2: we didn't get the free agents we wanted, but that
Speaker 2: was the plan.
Speaker 1: Does the Buk have the buck always stop on Mark
Speaker 1: Cuban's day?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to right. It was my team, you know,
Speaker 2: it was my responsibility, my final decisions, for better or worse.
Speaker 1: Because I heard Jerry say, Jerry says, no one can
Speaker 1: run the Cowboys better than I can of the GM.
Speaker 4: Is that how you feel?
Speaker 2: You know, there's probably a lot of people who could
Speaker 2: run it better, and obviously someone's going to get the
Speaker 2: chance now. But Jerry, you know, Jerry and I had
Speaker 2: and the difference is between us is Jerry saw the
Speaker 2: whole thing as a business, right, right, And when he
Speaker 2: talks about running this thing as a business and as
Speaker 2: a football team, he's right, right. And they've gone twelve
Speaker 2: and five like three straight years, right, So it's not
Speaker 2: like they suck, right, And you know how hard it
Speaker 2: is to get over the Hume, absolutely right. It takes
Speaker 2: some luck. And you know you're playing against Mahomes, who's
Speaker 2: like the Michael Jordan in some respects of quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 2: and then it was Brady before him, right, And so
Speaker 2: I'm not disagreeing with Jerry. I just think you got
Speaker 2: to get more credit to Luck because Luck has more
Speaker 2: impact than probably anything I could do or anything Jerry
Speaker 2: can do. OK.
Speaker 4: So, have you had conversations with Jerry about with Jerry?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe you let you know, let such and such, maybe
Speaker 1: it's a different eye.
Speaker 2: No. I've had conversations with him in the past, but
Speaker 2: not about players, right, because I don't know shit about
Speaker 2: football players. I mean, I got my own fantasy football stuff.
Speaker 2: My son Jake is just all about fantasy football, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you've got to you've got to live it
Speaker 2: to make those kind of decisions. But I've talked to
Speaker 2: him in the past about coaching decisions and stuff. But
Speaker 2: that was probably ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is Michael Finley, Grant William, They tell the story.
Speaker 1: But I want to get to Luca. I believe if
Speaker 1: Luca were to like train in the off season, get
Speaker 1: himself in tip top shape. I don't think Luca realized
Speaker 1: he's great. I'm talking about he he's transcending, he's historically great.
Speaker 1: But I don't think Luca realized how great he can be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, we all mature as we
Speaker 2: get older, right, and this going into a sixth year,
Speaker 2: he learned, he learned what it takes to get to
Speaker 2: the finals for the first time, and that tells you
Speaker 2: a lot. It's like with Dirk when we lost in
Speaker 2: two thousand and six in the finals to Miami. Dirk's
Speaker 2: had a to change completely. Yeah, Derk just became a
Speaker 2: different human in terms of preparation. I mean literally, like
Speaker 2: no alcohol during the season, which wasn't how we used
Speaker 2: to be. Trust, no sweets, no fried food during the season,
Speaker 2: just complete about face on how he approached his profession.
Speaker 2: And Luca's smart like that too. Now you know, I
Speaker 2: haven't talked to him this offseason about all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. What's that?
Speaker 4: What about the hookah?
Speaker 2: Hey, let me just tell you this. I know one
Speaker 2: guy who's about seven foot and it is a Hall
Speaker 2: of famer who introduced me to hookah. Right the one
Speaker 2: time I've tried it, and he ain't slowing down and
Speaker 2: he's like thirty seven, So I'm not going to judge there. Okay,
Speaker 2: what do you think about hookah?
Speaker 4: I have never tried it?
Speaker 2: Yo, you never have I don't know what twice twice?
Speaker 4: You like it?
Speaker 2: Nah, no, if I've only done it twice, I tell
Speaker 2: you where you go?
Speaker 1: So tell us the story about Grant Williams. You sign
Speaker 1: him in free agent from the Celtics, and I guess
Speaker 1: he's Michael Fanny tells the story that he's trash talking
Speaker 1: Luca in practice.
Speaker 4: Were you there that day?
Speaker 2: I wasn't there that day, but I heard all the
Speaker 2: stories obviously, So.
Speaker 1: What so what happened to the best? What were you?
Speaker 1: What was relayed to you?
Speaker 2: Oh? You know, Grant, Grant was trying to define himself.
Speaker 2: Grant's a great guy, right, I still keep in touch
Speaker 2: with him. I like him a lot. And he was
Speaker 2: trying to define his role with the Mavericks. You know,
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to be the best player, but he
Speaker 2: was going to be a role player that that had
Speaker 2: to fit in May threes. But he was kind of
Speaker 2: like the enforcer, and he also wanted to be kind
Speaker 2: of the adult on the court, you know. And and
Speaker 2: with Luca it just did go over well at all.
Speaker 2: When you start trash talking Luca, that's never going to
Speaker 2: end well. Like if I've trash talked him like fun,
Speaker 2: he gives me the stink eye. You know, you are
Speaker 2: not doing that to Luca, and Grant found out the
Speaker 2: hard way.
Speaker 1: How did Dirt when you said, because like you said,
Speaker 1: he's going, Luca's going into his sixth season, Dirt played
Speaker 1: twenty season with you, the only franchise that he's ever
Speaker 1: played with. You said, yeah, right now, lucas the best player.
Speaker 1: You really believe that right now, that he's a better
Speaker 1: player than Dirk's ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean Dirk, Remember the league has changed, right,
Speaker 2: you know, and Dirk the skills he brought, and even
Speaker 2: more than his skills, the mindset. Dirk is mentally tougher
Speaker 2: than any human I've ever met in my life. You know,
Speaker 2: whether it's dealing with pain, because you know better than anybody, right,
Speaker 2: it's what you do off the court, correct off what
Speaker 2: you do off the field, that's more. That defines what
Speaker 2: you do if you don't do it off you know, mentally, physically, intellectually, right,
Speaker 2: learning all the things you need to do your football
Speaker 2: iqu or basketball ceue. It doesn't matter how talented you are, right,
Speaker 2: We've seen boasting talented guys just right through a flame
Speaker 2: out in a minute. And so you know, Dirk had
Speaker 2: that mindset that was stronger than maybe anybody other than
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, and that's you know, Luca. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: in terms of actual skill and killer instinct, Luca can
Speaker 2: handle the ball. Dirk needed somebody to get him the ball.
Speaker 2: That's the only reason, right. If Dirk was Dirk came
Speaker 2: out now right, and he'd have the skills and the
Speaker 2: handles right because you know, like kids today, they watch
Speaker 2: on Instagram, they watch on TikTok all the drills and
Speaker 2: all the handles, and they see Steph and they see
Speaker 2: Luca and Kyrie and so they all am.
Speaker 5: Dirk would have been out with all those handles and
Speaker 5: unfair a whole difference. So basically, he'd been Kevin Durant
Speaker 5: before Kevin Durant. Kevin dur Red got handled to get
Speaker 5: shooting the ball. The seven foot dog gets shooting the
Speaker 5: ball like Dirk. So basically, exactly, you've been KD before KD.
Speaker 2: He would have been right and and then some. And
Speaker 2: that's no disrespect to KD who was that first person
Speaker 2: to get me that Hookah.
Speaker 1: When Luca's contracts up, he's going to have the biggest contract.
Speaker 2: In NBA here, Sure do you believe we're going to get.
Speaker 1: To a point in time, I don't know how soon,
Speaker 1: probably because of the way it's going that we're going
Speaker 1: to see an NBA player with a billion dollar contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, a billion mark. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: mean that presumes that TV keeps on going up the
Speaker 2: way it is. But you're gonna see hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: a year here shortly, wow, because if the TV contract
Speaker 2: has ten percent increases in the cap the way the
Speaker 2: CBA works, right, And you saw Steph you know, had
Speaker 2: sixty two million for one year.
Speaker 4: Yeah right.
Speaker 2: I mean when Luca and Tatum and all these guys,
Speaker 2: man daem.
Speaker 1: Young got what Tatum just got what like four hundred something,
Speaker 1: So Luca's about to get.
Speaker 2: A lot, a lot, and it's gonna go crazier. Like
Speaker 2: this year, this coming year is still old CBA, old
Speaker 2: TV money. Right. Once that new TV money get kicks in,
Speaker 2: Like do we make more money a year than I will?
Speaker 2: These guys are gonna be making like I don't care
Speaker 2: how many billions you have, Like I don't have a
Speaker 2: real job, right, you know, and so I'm not making
Speaker 2: a million, one hundred million dollars every year, right, right,
Speaker 2: You're gonna have You're gonna have players making more than
Speaker 2: the owners. Wow, And that's okay, right, There is no
Speaker 2: league without them, right, that's what makes basketball the NBA
Speaker 2: different than every other sport. Right. You know, you couldn't
Speaker 2: recognize fifty to fifty three guys on an NFL roster
Speaker 2: if they walked in the door, right, NBA. Right, particularly
Speaker 2: if you play two K you knew all fifteen guys
Speaker 2: and the two way guys too. Yes, right, And that's unique.
Speaker 2: You don't have that in baseball. You don't have that
Speaker 2: in soccer or the NHL. That's unique. They are the
Speaker 2: league and they earn every penny of it.
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Speaker 4: Well, obviously they've.
Speaker 1: Been a lot of fus because the streaming is really
Speaker 1: taking this thing over.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have Amazon, remember when you said, you know,
Speaker 2: started the first streaming platform. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to that. I read a quote probably
Speaker 1: about I was probably twenty two to twenty three. They
Speaker 1: say it's a genius seeing things that no one else
Speaker 1: sees and hits the bulls eye the streaming platform. Mark,
Speaker 1: How could you have foreshadow this is where it's heading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was easy, actually, I mean it made perfect
Speaker 2: sense to me. I'd been in the technology business for
Speaker 2: a long time, right, and my buddy Todd and actually
Speaker 2: start the building. We started and was next door there,
Speaker 2: two doors down, and we're like, look this internet stuff.
Speaker 2: There's going to be multimedia at some point, right, let's
Speaker 2: start with audio and eventually it'll get to video. And
Speaker 2: we're like, okay, is anybody else doing this? No, okay,
Speaker 2: let me buy a computer. I bought another computer, put
Speaker 2: in the second bedroom in my house, and I was like,
Speaker 2: let's just grind it out. And we started going to
Speaker 2: every radio station, every sports lind like we just got
Speaker 2: all the rights and locked them up. We were YouTube
Speaker 2: before YouTube, and and really it was hard to do.
Speaker 2: But in hindsight I was shocked no one else had
Speaker 2: done it before.
Speaker 1: Wow. And you look back at it, So when you
Speaker 1: sold that first company, you's like, did you like, damn
Speaker 1: that was?
Speaker 4: That was? That was easy? Do you do you start
Speaker 4: a company with the hopes of selling it?
Speaker 2: No? Never. I always started company with the hopes of
Speaker 2: fucking things up right and trying to disrupt things, you know.
Speaker 2: So like I remember when we started it was audio
Speaker 2: and that before was broadcast dot com, and people were like, well,
Speaker 2: what's the mission on you know, what's your personal goal?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I want to be the next Ted
Speaker 2: Turner because Ted Turner had TVs right, started CNN right,
Speaker 2: and then he was you know, doing the racing, the
Speaker 2: yacht racing or whatever the world. Yeah, well no, America's
Speaker 2: America's cut, right or something like that. But in that event,
Speaker 2: and he has champagne everywhere, he has hot girls everywhere, right,
Speaker 2: and he's like managing the braves when he wanted to.
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, that's what I want to be, right,
Speaker 2: I want to have fun. And so the goal though
Speaker 2: was to see if we can turn this thing and
Speaker 2: actually at some point in time replaced television and it
Speaker 2: happens slower than we expected, but it's happening now. And
Speaker 2: that was the vision is well.
Speaker 1: Because it seems like people just like go linear for
Speaker 1: live sporting events. Is like everything else is kind of
Speaker 1: like the Netflix, the Amazon and the two b's all
Speaker 1: that other stuff is on like streaming platforms. Is that
Speaker 1: where we're So in the next five to ten years,
Speaker 1: mark where are we going to be?
Speaker 2: That's where we're going to be, right, because linear television
Speaker 2: is struggling, you know, you know, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: ESPN used to have one ten hundred and twenty one
Speaker 2: hundred ten million subscribers. Now they're down in the seventies
Speaker 2: or something like that. And that's changed, right, you know
Speaker 2: this industry well, right, and it's harder even for Fox
Speaker 2: Sports than those guys, and so money's just not gonna
Speaker 2: be there. It used to be like there was there
Speaker 2: was a time where it was like, okay, what's on
Speaker 2: what are the new shows on ABC, CBS and NBC? Right,
Speaker 2: And you were said.
Speaker 4: To be must watch watch TV.
Speaker 1: You set your clock like, man, I'm gonna watch friends,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch everybody Loves Raymond or all the whatever
Speaker 1: in Shark in Shark Tank, yes, did you know that
Speaker 1: was gonna be No?
Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna suck. But we'll get there
Speaker 2: to say, right, okay, So but those shows, like are
Speaker 2: scripted shows, they're not going to linear television anymore. They're
Speaker 2: going to streaming, right, Netflix and Peacock and Max and
Speaker 2: those guys, and so you know, now the linear stations
Speaker 2: are trying to do all sports, you know, and that's
Speaker 2: their angle. And on Shark Tank. Literally, when I got
Speaker 2: asked to be a guest Shark and they're like, we'll
Speaker 2: give you three episodes, I'm like, cool, I'll come on.
Speaker 2: This show's not gonna last. I'm just gonna go on
Speaker 2: there literally O TV for three shows. Right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: I'll be on you know, I'll be on network television
Speaker 2: on ABC for three shows. I'll raise some hell show people.
Speaker 2: I know what I'm talking about with business, and we'll
Speaker 2: see what comes next, right, and the next thing, you know, bam.
Speaker 2: Of course I take all the credit.
Speaker 1: This media rights deal. Obviously tn T is, it has
Speaker 1: been at it. It's an institution, right, Chuck Kenny Charles
Speaker 1: and excuse me, Kenny Ernie Ernie, Yeah, and shot and shot.
Speaker 1: So obviously they're an institution, and after this year, they're
Speaker 1: not going to be there unless NBC or ESPN or
Speaker 1: one of these Amazon somebody picks them up. How difficult
Speaker 1: is that because they say, well, we're gonna sue because
Speaker 1: we had writer first refusal, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: And you don't have to get into too deep into it, Mark,
Speaker 1: But so what's going on with that? Did you know
Speaker 1: that the media rights deal was going to be basically
Speaker 1: like three x four x.
Speaker 2: Ten x, Yeah, because we were the last big media
Speaker 2: deal available. So think about what we just said, right,
Speaker 2: how do you keep lining your TV a lot?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Right, you need sports and the NFL's already locked up,
Speaker 2: so who's next? And so if you're going to stay alive,
Speaker 2: you needed us. And then when streaming wanted some of
Speaker 2: it to be able to carve out just some like
Speaker 2: Amazon carves out on Peacock carves out some, it's like,
Speaker 2: why would we not take that money? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and I mean fifty one percent goes to the players,
Speaker 2: So they were happy about it too.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is is that these platforms, the
Speaker 1: streaming platform, the next lift to YouTube. They want to
Speaker 1: be channels, they want to be taken serious, and you
Speaker 1: cannot do it with our sports.
Speaker 2: No, because that's what's kept them alive. Right, the NFL,
Speaker 2: to a lesser extent, the NBA in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: You know, the other sports are helping, but they're living
Speaker 2: on the NFL, yes, right, And the NFL is just
Speaker 2: more and more and more and more. But at some
Speaker 2: point there'll be a tipping point, right, because it costs
Speaker 2: more to get a linear television network than it does
Speaker 2: just to streaming. Right, because the cable network, the satellite network,
Speaker 2: they're having to pay all this money and they're having
Speaker 2: to charge consumers all that money that's not going to
Speaker 2: stay or stick around forever. And they're all, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not sustainable the way it is today, and all those
Speaker 2: platforms are trying to figure out the right way to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: If Mark Cuban was an NBA player today, how would
Speaker 1: he spend his money?
Speaker 4: How would he invest his money?
Speaker 1: How would you how what type of business if you're
Speaker 1: an NBA player, so coming in and so you don't
Speaker 1: have the businessman that you have, right right, right.
Speaker 2: Right, right, So if I'm just a two way player. Right,
Speaker 2: If I'm a two way player, I'm living like a
Speaker 2: student because you don't know how long.
Speaker 4: It's going to last, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: And one of the hard things is, you know, like
Speaker 2: I never I didn't grow up with money. I didn't
Speaker 2: have shit, And so it's hard when you first get
Speaker 2: money to understand what it is, right, how how much
Speaker 2: do you have and what can you actually do? Because
Speaker 2: you hear all these stories and you think and you
Speaker 2: know how that goes, right.
Speaker 4: But you don't think it's going to happen to you right.
Speaker 2: Right, And you hear about the stories about people losing
Speaker 2: it all. So I tell guys all all the time,
Speaker 2: save your money. You know, one broken ankle and it's over.
Speaker 2: It's over. And if I'm somebody making forty fifty sixty million,
Speaker 2: then I'm hiring somebody that knows what they're doing. But
Speaker 2: it ain't gonna be one of my friends, okay, Right.
Speaker 2: It can't not be your friend, because your friend wants
Speaker 2: to be your friend. My money guy needs to make
Speaker 2: me money, right, And it can't be a friend of
Speaker 2: a friend of a friend. It's got to be somebody
Speaker 2: who's done it for big time people and knows their shit, right,
Speaker 2: because that's that's the other place guys get tied up. Well,
Speaker 2: that's my guy. He's been with me forever. I want
Speaker 2: to take care of him. He wants to get into finance.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, he can steal be with me.
Speaker 2: You can be your friend, right, I'll take you to dinner,
Speaker 2: I'll you know, I'll buy you. I'll pay you some
Speaker 2: money to take care of things. Right, But you can't,
Speaker 2: you know, don't invest in the restaurant, don't invest in
Speaker 2: the clothing label. Don't invest in the liquor company. Sorry,
Speaker 2: but you know our music, right, that is the death right.
Speaker 2: So it's not so much now, right, But in the
Speaker 2: early two thousand's, early twenty ten's, everybody wanted a music label, right.
Speaker 2: Everybody was either going to be a rapper or they
Speaker 2: were going to, you know, have a label and sign
Speaker 2: rappers because that's what you know, what was going on.
Speaker 2: And you know, one athlete's label that's done any good? Nah,
Speaker 2: I don't, don't you know? Clothing companies, No, it's hard,
Speaker 2: it is, right. Those business hard because there's no barriers
Speaker 2: to entry. You want to start a clothing It's funny
Speaker 2: because I get people talk to me all the time.
Speaker 2: So I've got this brand name, right, let's get busy
Speaker 2: LGB and you think you're start a clothing line based
Speaker 2: off of LGB, right, or you know, I've got this
Speaker 2: one song that I'm gonna do, right and listen to this?
Speaker 2: Isn't this the best song you It's not that easy.
Speaker 1: As the Dallas Mavericks owner, obviously your signature player before Luca,
Speaker 1: and you've had some great players at the Mavericks, but
Speaker 1: it's been dirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course, what is.
Speaker 4: Dirk meant to you? And this organization?
Speaker 2: Everything? He is the organization. He's the definition of the
Speaker 2: Dallas Mavericks. And again not just what he did for
Speaker 2: us on the court, but who he is off the court.
Speaker 2: Dirk's that guy that's going to the hospitals without being asked. That's,
Speaker 2: you know, taking time with kids, visiting them. You know
Speaker 2: when he has a special event and he's had many,
Speaker 2: he's making sure kids are coming and he's just got
Speaker 2: you know, he's got that heart. People know he loves
Speaker 2: Dallas and as a result, Dallas loves him.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm That's the interesting thing Mark because
Speaker 1: a lot of these international players like when they're done.
Speaker 1: They go back to their respected countries. Dirk has remained.
Speaker 1: He's German, but he.
Speaker 2: He goes back and forth, he goes, he does. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you're right, he's Dallas, right, but he stays here.
Speaker 2: He lives here. Just build a house here, you know,
Speaker 2: does charity continuously? You know you can take you can't
Speaker 2: take the Dallas out of Dirk.
Speaker 1: Now is it true that he brought his meals on
Speaker 1: the road in luminum ball?
Speaker 2: Some? Not all right? Some? Yeah, no, I do remember that, right.
Speaker 2: He'd get it because he wanted healthier stuff, right right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I forgot all about that. So yeah, so
Speaker 2: he would get things specially made for him because he
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna eat anything because you know what it's like
Speaker 2: on a team plane, there's fried chicken everywhere, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: The players just love to eat, right, And he was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm no more fried food.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Why have European players really if you look at what
Speaker 1: the last six.
Speaker 4: MVPs, it's been European players.
Speaker 1: You got Yoki with three, you got Giannis with two,
Speaker 1: you got Joel and b with one. Why have they start?
Speaker 1: Why have we seen the shift to where European players
Speaker 1: are starting to dominate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just in the draft and two reasons. One,
Speaker 2: the rest of the world is bigger than us, right,
Speaker 2: so we've got thirty three hundred thirty million. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: eight billion people in the world, right, so yeah, so
Speaker 2: there's more options available, right, particularly now with Africa and India.
Speaker 2: And you know, I love whenever I think India. Now,
Speaker 2: I like that song tan To's in.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I digress it. But so there's just more people.
Speaker 2: And then the training methods are different. There's no equivalent
Speaker 2: of AAU and you know, kids here like my son
Speaker 2: or whoever, they're playing game after game after game, but
Speaker 2: hardy practice wow, you know. And over there there's two
Speaker 2: practices a day and you might play one, two, three,
Speaker 2: maybe three times a week, and so the focus is
Speaker 2: on developing skills and no matter you know, here, even
Speaker 2: still we kind of pigeonhole people into certain positions. You're big, right,
Speaker 2: you get down on the block, the.
Speaker 4: Biggest guy you played the four to five.
Speaker 2: Right, right, and so, and that's changing some, but they
Speaker 2: don't really work on all the skills or even more importantly,
Speaker 2: the basketball IQ you know, And I take that back
Speaker 2: a little bit because kids now are far more skilled
Speaker 2: at the high school level with the junior high level.
Speaker 2: You see the handles, right, like, my son's got handles,
Speaker 2: like he's got my athleticism unfortunately for him. But my
Speaker 2: son's got handles like yeah, you know, I mean I
Speaker 2: used to be able to dunk, but still he still
Speaker 2: got my athleticism. And so but his handles are off
Speaker 2: the charts, right, and it's no big deal. All the
Speaker 2: guys on his team can handle and they get that
Speaker 2: from social media, but they don't get the same basketball IQ, right,
Speaker 2: they don't. So that's what I try to work on
Speaker 2: with him. Right, head up, what's gonna happen next? Right,
Speaker 2: anticipate where things are going, and you don't see that
Speaker 2: a lot with AAU. And then parents get into it too.
Speaker 2: It's like get my guy some minutes, right, or my
Speaker 2: girls some minutes, And that makes some more difference.
Speaker 1: It's not like that in the European parents aren't aren't
Speaker 1: hummingbird the helicopter and they're not hovering old.
Speaker 2: Not like here, not like here, because I mean there's
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on kids too. Right, they're in
Speaker 2: the meal ticket and that's tough. That is really tough.
Speaker 4: Dennis Shruder casts some flat he said.
Speaker 1: They asked Dennis Shrewder, he says, because you're paying basketball
Speaker 1: is straight basketball IQ, no entertainment, straight coaching, really really
Speaker 1: high IQ. Guys who know how to play the game.
Speaker 1: Of course, the US is the best league in the world,
Speaker 1: but Europeans they're coming for sure.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Katie didn't take kindly to that.
Speaker 1: He's like cause he took a picture of that when
Speaker 1: they won the gold medal, you know, best IQ and entertainment.
Speaker 4: What was Dennis shrew to try to say? And do
Speaker 4: you understand what he was saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I understand. Right. So once you get
Speaker 2: past the top thirty players, right, IQ matters, right, because
Speaker 2: you've got to be able to play with Luca, You've
Speaker 2: got to be able to play with Kyrie because they
Speaker 2: have like high IQs and everything else to go with it. Right,
Speaker 2: But the guys who are you know, fifth, sixth, seventh
Speaker 2: and lower on the roster, you got to have a
Speaker 2: high basketball IQ to know where you're fit and know
Speaker 2: where your role is. And if all you ever learned
Speaker 2: was you know, dribble, if you don't have an IQ, right,
Speaker 2: it's going to be harder to fit in the NBA, right,
Speaker 2: And so they're both you know, Katie, give them a shit,
Speaker 2: was right because we have the best players. It's not
Speaker 2: even closed right right at the but still out of
Speaker 2: those top twenty players in the you know, there's a
Speaker 2: reason why those guys have been MVP. And so if
Speaker 2: you have the level of skill that you need and
Speaker 2: you have that basketball IQ and it's developed, and if
Speaker 2: you flip it around, if we did the same development
Speaker 2: here for kids and you combine the athleticism and the
Speaker 2: skill with the basketball IQ, there might be half the
Speaker 2: number of European players or foreign players in the NBA.
Speaker 2: We just don't give them that basketball IQ support.
Speaker 1: Are we are American players? Are we too reliant on athleticism?
Speaker 2: I think it depends to a certain extent. Yes, there
Speaker 2: are some players that, like the Kd's of the world,
Speaker 2: like Lebron's of the world, that are American, have basketball
Speaker 2: ques off the charts. You know, they're just insane, you know,
Speaker 2: every element of the game. But kids see that and
Speaker 2: they try to replicate you know what Anthony Edwards does right?
Speaker 2: You know don't and said right, and you know Duncan
Speaker 2: dem X and all that stuff, right, And I don't
Speaker 2: see that from European kids coming in. And I think
Speaker 2: that's the difference. If you applied the same training techniques
Speaker 2: and combine that with the athleticism that we have in
Speaker 2: this country, well yeah, it'd be a whole different league.
Speaker 1: I've never seen him play in person, but you've had
Speaker 1: a front world seat to see this guy over the
Speaker 1: last decade, and that's Nicola jokicch Yeah. When you look
Speaker 1: at a guy and you, I mean just look at
Speaker 1: him from television, You're like, Okay, he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: cap shoulders like Jannis, he's not freight trained like Lebron,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the he can't jump out the gym
Speaker 1: like a young shock.
Speaker 4: But bro, he just light people up.
Speaker 1: What is it about him, Mark that makes him so great,
Speaker 1: so unique that he's able to dominate when he doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything about him that's physically dominanting.
Speaker 2: You what I mean if you just saw him in
Speaker 2: a plick cup, like, you would be like, you know,
Speaker 2: who's the chibb chubby dude? Right? Oh my god? He
Speaker 2: could play it right, But it's skill skill In basketball IQ,
Speaker 2: you combine being six to eleven, six ten to eleven
Speaker 2: with basketball IQ skill. He can shoot, he can dribble,
Speaker 2: he can pass, he sees things three steps ahead. You know,
Speaker 2: him and Luca are like, you know, twins in a
Speaker 2: lot of respects. And when you have all those elements
Speaker 2: to your game, like, there's always a place for a shooter, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: always a place for shooter in the NBA. There's always
Speaker 2: a place for somebody who can rebound. Now, if you
Speaker 2: can rebound and shoot, okay, you're gonna be good. If
Speaker 2: you can rebound shoot handle, you're gonna be really really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you could rebound shoot handle in your basketball IQ
Speaker 2: is top five in the NBA, You're unstoppable.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and six, you said the situation with
Speaker 1: Dirk it changed. He started to take the way he ate,
Speaker 1: the way he trained, the way he did every single
Speaker 1: thing was different than the previous years because he had
Speaker 1: gotten so close. He got a tape to what it
Speaker 1: was like to play in the NBA Finals. You go
Speaker 1: up to Oh, you're feeling, you had to be feeling.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a fun interview.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: We go, we go get to the fun stuff. So
Speaker 1: when you go up to Oh, you just like we
Speaker 1: got this.
Speaker 2: No, we were up two oh and it was the
Speaker 2: third quarter and we're in Miami, and I always sit
Speaker 2: right behind the bench, yes day, right, and I'm standing
Speaker 2: up clapping and I'm thinking we're up like fourteen and yes,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking to my shelf, oh shit, we might
Speaker 2: sweep these dudes. Not two seconds later, right you, Donnas
Speaker 2: Haslim steals, the ball, goes in for lab Now it's twelve.
Speaker 2: Then a couple of minutes later, Shaq pushes Eric damp
Speaker 2: Pierre pushes him and they call foul Eric Dampierre, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: if he hits these free throws, we're in trouble. Shaq
Speaker 2: hits to freetailers, right, I'm like, oh shit, we're fucked.
Speaker 2: And you know, went downhill from there, you know, And
Speaker 2: Dwayne Wade goes to the free throw line nine hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy three times, right, So it was over.
Speaker 4: Let me.
Speaker 1: The relationship that you have is unlike maybe only with
Speaker 1: Doctor Buzz had with Magic, is that you party.
Speaker 4: You hang out with the players. You've hung out with the.
Speaker 1: Players, do you find how do you how do you
Speaker 1: manage that? Because at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: are the owner.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have the you can sign players, you
Speaker 1: can trade players, you can release players. How is that
Speaker 1: How does that has that ever interfered with your relationship
Speaker 1: with the player?
Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure. Like my first year, we had a
Speaker 2: player named Eric Strickland who I got to be really
Speaker 2: close with, went to Nebraska, didn't have a long NBA
Speaker 2: career with great dude, right, and we got to be
Speaker 2: really good friends. And it was draft night and our
Speaker 2: guys were like, you know, here's a trade we need
Speaker 2: to do. And I'm like, oh, fuck right, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have to trade them, and you know, and it was
Speaker 2: then I learned that you've got to do it's best
Speaker 2: for the team, and players respect that right. And players,
Speaker 2: you know, when they get traded, they may not like
Speaker 2: it if they see another opportunity, hopefully the next place. But
Speaker 2: I also realized that basketball is X number of years.
Speaker 2: Life's a long long time, right, And like even when
Speaker 2: we screwed up and let Steve Nash go, I've gotten
Speaker 2: to be friends with nashally took a time. It took
Speaker 2: some time, right, he you know, he didn't like me
Speaker 2: for a long time, but you know, now we're friends again.
Speaker 2: And so you know, you just it's okay to be
Speaker 2: friends with them, it's okay to get close to them.
Speaker 2: You just have to be honest with them. And if
Speaker 2: you're honest with them, it's okay.
Speaker 4: What do you what are your thoughts on super teams?
Speaker 4: It's really over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't really work And it's going to be
Speaker 2: a lot harder now with the new CBA. You know,
Speaker 2: with the new collective Barding agreement. You know, they have
Speaker 2: this first apron and second apron thing, right, and if
Speaker 2: you have three max out players, you're right there. By
Speaker 2: the time you have fifteen guys, you're over the second apron.
Speaker 2: And if you stay at the second apron for you know,
Speaker 2: two years, you know you're getting your first draft pick
Speaker 2: moved to the end of the draft, or you get
Speaker 2: you can't trade it. And then the second time, second year,
Speaker 2: if you're over, you move to the end of the draft, right,
Speaker 2: no matter what, and there's limits on the trades you
Speaker 2: can make. It's hard to build a team, and so
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be harder and harder and harder
Speaker 2: for teams to have, you know, a big three that
Speaker 2: are all max out. Now, what you want is like, well,
Speaker 2: we Hope is like a player, Well, Clay comes in, right,
Speaker 2: and a Naja Marshall comes in, but we got someone
Speaker 2: we drafted, like Derek Lively who can be an All
Speaker 2: Star caliber player or better. You know, it's just like
Speaker 2: the Celtics. They were able to make a lot of
Speaker 2: trades because the Jay Brown and Tatum. Yeah, we're on
Speaker 2: not rookie contracts, but on lower contracts as the cap
Speaker 2: went up. That's what you need to have happen. And
Speaker 2: if you go for it and you get three max
Speaker 2: out players and it doesn't work, I mean, look at
Speaker 2: the Clippers. You know, they had three amazing max out
Speaker 2: players and you know, injuries got in the way, and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really hard to keep together a team
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be hard for the Clippers to keep
Speaker 1: that thing because PG is gone, Kawhik can for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: he can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2: So it's tough. It's tough right now. I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk specifically about any one team, but you know,
Speaker 2: three max out players partually as those numbers go up, Yes, right,
Speaker 2: those numbers go up because the max out contracts, you know,
Speaker 2: as a percentage, you're at thirty five percent for a
Speaker 2: supermax of the cap, and if you got three of them, right,
Speaker 2: that's one hundred and five percent of the cap, right,
Speaker 2: depending on when you signed it. Right. So it's not
Speaker 2: going to stay that way because you know, you'll sign
Speaker 2: a guy at thirty five percent, then a cap will
Speaker 2: go up ten percent, right, So he won't stay at
Speaker 2: thirty five percent, But it's close enough right over just
Speaker 2: three guys that it's going to be hard to keep
Speaker 2: him together.
Speaker 1: Lebron obviously, are you surprised that he's been able to
Speaker 1: play as well as he has for as long as
Speaker 1: he has to be as doorable as he's.
Speaker 2: Being, Yeah, of course I thought he was done five
Speaker 2: times all. The guy's a beast, but he's got that
Speaker 2: mental fortitude, right. It's like we talked about with Dirk.
Speaker 2: He's just one of those guys that he understands the assignments.
Speaker 2: You've got to take care of your body, you've got
Speaker 2: to take care of your mind, you've got to take
Speaker 2: care of your skills. His three point shootings improved like yes,
Speaker 2: you know, and so he gets credit for doing the work,
Speaker 2: and you know, that's what makes him one of the
Speaker 2: greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: I tell kids, And I tell when I talk to athletes,
Speaker 1: I say, you have to spend more time because you're
Speaker 1: going to spend more time off the court or off
Speaker 1: the field than you do on the field. They say,
Speaker 1: for a lawyer, for every hour that you spend in
Speaker 1: the courtroom, you need to spend two two and a
Speaker 1: half hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, salmon business.
Speaker 1: So if you're going to spend on the court, you
Speaker 1: spend that kind of time. You need to spend time
Speaker 1: eating and taking care of your that'shous you get a trained. Yes,
Speaker 1: it does not get easier. Yes, it does not get
Speaker 1: Trust me, you're still young. Wait till he gets harder
Speaker 1: and harder. You know that shit is no fun.
Speaker 2: But he gets all the credit in the world for
Speaker 2: having that discipline to be able to do it. Those
Speaker 2: guys don't.
Speaker 1: He wants to be an owner, obviously, you know. I
Speaker 1: think you guys are looking at maybe bringing the team
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I think Sea Adle is being talked about.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anybody else, but I think
Speaker 1: that's those are the two franchises, and obviously he's kind
Speaker 1: of looking at the one and in Vegas. What type
Speaker 1: of owner you think Lebron would be I don't know. Players,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot harder for a player, right.
Speaker 1: We saw Michael Jordan. Right, great guy has some success,
Speaker 1: but not as much as you wanted.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It's hard because players have one mindset and they look
Speaker 2: at other players in a certain way. You know why
Speaker 2: you can't do that?
Speaker 4: I could do that.
Speaker 2: I can do Let me show you, right, Michael Jordan,
Speaker 2: I'm fifty five years old. I'm gonna whoop your ass. Right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's just completely different perspective that's hard
Speaker 2: to disconnect yourself from. And it's hard to be objective
Speaker 2: and not have your player mindset. And so like when
Speaker 2: you've seen general managers that are former players, they're not
Speaker 2: the great players that were you know, that are good
Speaker 2: general managers. It's the role players that got to watch
Speaker 2: everybody else and understand how to fit these pieces together.
Speaker 2: And so for any superstar, it's going to be hard.
Speaker 4: Being an owner.
Speaker 1: What's a typical day for Mark Cuban when you when
Speaker 1: you were the full time owner of the Mavericks, what's
Speaker 1: a typical day?
Speaker 4: What time do you wake up? And what's your schedule?
Speaker 2: So it depends what part of the season it is.
Speaker 2: So during the off season is when I spend had
Speaker 2: to do most of the work right because the free
Speaker 2: agency and the draft and everything, So that's where I
Speaker 2: had to pay the most attention. And then when you
Speaker 2: get to the trade deadline, that's another time when you
Speaker 2: have to pay a lot of attention. Otherwise I'm just
Speaker 2: screaming and yell on right, there's you know, as long
Speaker 2: as there's you know. And it also depends if you're
Speaker 2: winning or losing. If you're winning, it's easy, everything just goes.
Speaker 2: If you're losing, and you don't want to lose because
Speaker 2: there's there's rebuilding, and then there's losing when you think
Speaker 2: you're going to win, and when you're losing when you
Speaker 2: think you're going to win. That's when an owner has
Speaker 2: to do with stuff right, because you've got to communicate.
Speaker 2: You've got to make decisions. What about you know, is
Speaker 2: it the coach? Is it the players? Is the general manager?
Speaker 2: And is it the decisions we made? Is a chemistry?
Speaker 2: Why are we not performing the way we expected this
Speaker 2: team to perform. That's when it's hard as an owner
Speaker 2: because you've got to figure it out. I mean, I remember,
Speaker 2: like it was two thousand and eight, maybe we were
Speaker 2: playing in Sacramento, and no, it was later than that,
Speaker 2: but in any of that, we're playing in Sacramento and
Speaker 2: we were just were not playing hard. And I remember
Speaker 2: walking to I've only given probably four locker room speeches, right,
Speaker 2: And I walked into the locker room and I start
Speaker 2: pointing in to different guys, Yo, do you get your
Speaker 2: paycheck this week? Yeah? Do you get your paycheck this week?
Speaker 2: And I went around to all of them, you get
Speaker 2: your paycheck this week? And they all said yes, the
Speaker 2: motherfucking play like you got your paycheck right, because you're
Speaker 2: doing shit right.
Speaker 1: And so so I can imagine it looks like and
Speaker 1: we lost that game.
Speaker 4: Do owners that.
Speaker 1: Because I heard you say, You're like, is it the coach?
Speaker 1: The players, is the GM if anything else in the staff?
Speaker 1: Do owners ever look at himselves like is it me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of course, oh all the time, right, because it's my
Speaker 2: final responsibility, like we said before, and you're gonna make mistakes,
Speaker 2: and I've made plenty.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I traded early on. I traded for this one dude,
Speaker 2: and literally I thought he was the unibomber. I thought
Speaker 2: he was gonna blow shit up, like for real, blow
Speaker 2: shut up, and I'm like, what the hell did I do?
Speaker 2: You know, And at the beginning, it was just like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's see if we can integrate a mintegrant. It just
Speaker 2: wasn't going to work out. So he was just on
Speaker 2: the StairMaster all day, every day, and that was it
Speaker 2: because we couldn't trade him. He wasn't tradable. But you
Speaker 2: so you make mistakes like that, and you just got
Speaker 2: to own it. You know, in the early days when
Speaker 2: I first bought, you can kind of buy your way
Speaker 2: out of mistakes and buy your way into a better
Speaker 2: team because there are a lot more old school owners
Speaker 2: now there's you know, either super super rich people or
Speaker 2: private equity groups and they can afford to play the
Speaker 2: whole game. Back in the early days, and you know,
Speaker 2: the two thousands, there were a lot of old school
Speaker 2: owners pops, yeah, lomma pops that have been there forty years, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, you could buy a draft pick for
Speaker 2: three million dollars and I'd be like, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: make a trade and take on twenty five million dollars
Speaker 2: in salary to save their ass, right, Okay, But you
Speaker 2: can't even do that in the CBA anymore. And now
Speaker 2: they have a lot more money, so they don't do
Speaker 2: like they're like, okay, I'll buy that pick, Get the
Speaker 2: fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: Mark, you made a decision that you sold the majority
Speaker 1: share of the Mavericks. And I know what the Mavericks.
Speaker 1: Of all the companies, I think the Mavericks are your baby.
Speaker 1: I think they they meant the most and to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only one I've ever been for twenty
Speaker 2: four years.
Speaker 4: Right? How difficult? How how did you come to that decision?
Speaker 1: And was that a difficul decision because I'm sure you
Speaker 1: thought long and hard, like I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 4: No I'm not, Yeah, no, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I mean it had more to do. Well, there was
Speaker 2: two reasons, only two reasons, right. One because of my family. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm at that age and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to be around for thirty years, right, And so are
Speaker 2: my kids. You know my kids now are fifteen, eighteen
Speaker 2: and twenty one. Are they gonna want to run this?
Speaker 2: And what if they decide not to? And then what
Speaker 2: do I do?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And so that was the biggest thing. And you know
Speaker 2: what sports are like too, is also I don't want
Speaker 2: to just automatically put pressure on them. It's great when
Speaker 2: you're winning, right, everybody wants to run a team when
Speaker 2: you're winning, correct, But when the ship's hitting the fan
Speaker 2: and you suck, and you know what social media is like,
Speaker 2: and kids are on social media all the time, I
Speaker 2: don't want didn't want to put my kids in the
Speaker 2: position where they're like you, you know, and they have
Speaker 2: to deal with that stuff while they're just developing as adults.
Speaker 2: So that was one and number two. To compete in
Speaker 2: the NBA now is expensive. Not all teams make money.
Speaker 2: It's not like the NFL. And in order to have
Speaker 2: the money to be able to do whatever you need
Speaker 2: luxury tax, whatever it may be. It's not just about
Speaker 2: technology or tickets or TV anymore. Like technology, Okay, I
Speaker 2: got that down right, TV media got that shit down.
Speaker 2: To streaming, got that shit down. But now you got
Speaker 2: to build real estate. I don't know shit about real
Speaker 2: estate and never was it never did. And so when
Speaker 2: I had a chance to work with Patrick Dumont starting
Speaker 2: years ago, we would talk all the time about bringing
Speaker 2: you know, resort based casino gaming to Dallas or to Texas,
Speaker 2: and you know, he would talk about what it takes
Speaker 2: to build a casino and to build a new arena
Speaker 2: that fit in there, And I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 2: anything about this. And so if the MAVs were going
Speaker 2: to compete, I was going to have to learn all
Speaker 2: that stuff, and honestly, I don't want to learn it.
Speaker 2: And if that was, if it was going to take
Speaker 2: two billion in cash to make all that work, Steve
Speaker 2: Bomber's got that. I don't have that your heart, right,
Speaker 2: I do now, which I'm happy about.
Speaker 4: But now you don't want to be now you don't
Speaker 4: want to build?
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's just didn't no right, I'd be want that.
Speaker 2: I could have borrowed it and all that stuff, but
Speaker 2: I would have to learn it or I would have
Speaker 2: had to just trust somebody, and that's just not my style.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of money to trust.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of money to trust and a lot
Speaker 2: on the line. And so now I've got a great
Speaker 2: partner who will know going to improve the arena we
Speaker 2: have today, will build something new. We'll be able to
Speaker 2: make a destination that Dallas will be proud of. And
Speaker 2: he knows things, he's forgotten more about building than I've
Speaker 2: ever known. And so it makes a great partner, which
Speaker 2: puts the MAVs in a much better position to compete.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on gamble? Do you think you're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do have gambling here in Texas?
Speaker 2: I do. I don't know when, but I do, because
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys live outside of Texas. Yes, what
Speaker 2: is it that you save up and get excited to
Speaker 2: come to Texas on a vacation? To do you ever
Speaker 2: thought about coming to Texas on a vacation? No? You
Speaker 2: know anybody who does?
Speaker 4: I guess college kids go to what South Padre or
Speaker 4: something that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for spring break. Yeah, you know, maybe you go
Speaker 2: to Austin to sixth Street or you know, Austin city.
Speaker 4: Limits south by Southwest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but it's not really like a vacation.
Speaker 2: You don't think of it as a vacation destination anywhere
Speaker 2: in Texas. And so let me change that question. If
Speaker 2: we put a Belagia or a Venetian in downtown Dallas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they come. People want to gamble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not just gamble. Right, you like you go
Speaker 2: to Vegas now you spa, you got you know, you
Speaker 2: have the shows, right, You've got all that stuff and
Speaker 2: you become a you know, being in the center of
Speaker 2: the country. If you put a Venetian right in the
Speaker 2: middle of Dallas, we're going to all of a sudden
Speaker 2: become a top three tourist destination in this country. And
Speaker 2: so that's why I think it'll pass.
Speaker 1: I read a report and let me let you think
Speaker 1: about this, is that Americas are spending more on sports
Speaker 1: betting than they are in investing.
Speaker 4: Are you surprised by that?
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the age of the person,
Speaker 2: because I read something similar, right, And so if you're
Speaker 2: real young, you're you're betting, but you're not betting a lot, right,
Speaker 2: or you're buying crypto dogs going to the moon baby,
Speaker 2: you know. But you know it's hard. It's hard for
Speaker 2: kids to save money, right, and so you know how
Speaker 2: kids are, right. You know, you're a tenty two year
Speaker 2: old dude or woman for that matter, in college, right,
Speaker 2: and I know sports. I know sports, you know, and
Speaker 2: so you play and you're probably going to lose. But
Speaker 2: it's fun, right, It's it's just entertainment money, kind of
Speaker 2: like cryptois. But yeah, I just think when you get
Speaker 2: to people who were in their thirties, forties and fifties.
Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, the numbers I've seen are
Speaker 2: that they're not unless you have a real problem. They're
Speaker 2: not overspending.
Speaker 1: When you sold the company, mark you gave your employees
Speaker 1: it was reported thirty five million dollars. You gave them bonuses.
Speaker 1: Why did you feel the need to do that?
Speaker 2: You know? And it ended up being a lot more. Actually,
Speaker 2: but I'm not there without them. And I did it
Speaker 2: my first two companies. I did it with micro Solutions.
Speaker 2: You know, we had eighty employees. They all got paid.
Speaker 2: I did it with Broadcast dot Com. Out of three
Speaker 2: hundred thirty employees, three hundred became millionaires. And I wanted
Speaker 2: to do the same thing with the MAVs. You know,
Speaker 2: they they were there for me the whole time. And
Speaker 2: you know it was enough money that for those who
Speaker 2: were there, you know, twenty years or more, it was
Speaker 2: life changing money.
Speaker 4: You should think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you started the first streaming platform, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I can foreshadow I can think this is heading in
Speaker 1: this direction. You said, you and your partner, you bought
Speaker 1: a computer. You and your partner you got sit down
Speaker 1: and you start coding. How long before you before it
Speaker 1: started becoming profitable, because that's that's the hard.
Speaker 2: I mean, it took us four years to get the
Speaker 2: break even. Okay, so we had gone public. It was
Speaker 2: the number one IP on the history of the stock
Speaker 2: market in nineteen ninety eight, and we sold it in
Speaker 2: June of twenty twenty, I think it was, and that
Speaker 2: second quarter we were right around cash flow of Blake
Speaker 2: break even. But we were only in business for four
Speaker 2: years and say two thousand, right, yeah, and so we
Speaker 2: were only in business for four years, so that wasn't
Speaker 2: horrible for a tech business like that. Did you ever
Speaker 2: mean YouTube? Netflix?
Speaker 1: I remember just had to be nineteen ninety nine, two thousand.
Speaker 1: I went to a nail I went to a nail
Speaker 1: shop and the lady was telling me about how she
Speaker 1: get movies from Netflix. I said, so, tell me about it.
Speaker 1: She said, What you do is that, you know, you
Speaker 1: tell them what you want and they'll send it the
Speaker 1: DTV right right to your door. You watch them when
Speaker 1: you want to, and you put them back in the
Speaker 1: thing and send them back. I was like, I said, well,
Speaker 1: what about Blockbuster? She's like, nah, I think Blockbuster is
Speaker 1: gonna go away. I'm like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: She was right. She was right.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, had I just taken
Speaker 1: like ten fifteen thousand dollars and.
Speaker 2: Put it into Netflix, boom? Did you know that it
Speaker 2: would blow?
Speaker 1: That there would be a net because you were YouTube
Speaker 1: and Netflix before they were even Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean that's why I was so upset with Yahoo,
Speaker 2: Like they had a huge opportunity. I mean, they were
Speaker 2: YouTube before YouTube. When they bought us, and you know,
Speaker 2: when the Internet stock bubble bursts, their border directors just
Speaker 2: say pull everything back instead of sticking with it. And
Speaker 2: you know, re day Stein's and the folks in Netflix,
Speaker 2: they were like not pulling back, right, they were going
Speaker 2: for it. And then YouTube shows up and they couldn't
Speaker 2: even afford to stay in business. But then Google buys
Speaker 2: them and that just changed everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because at first YouTube was with streaming platform, not
Speaker 1: anymore like ads.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean it was like two thousand
Speaker 2: and six they started, and it was just like little
Speaker 2: short videos and stupid videos and stuff. But you know,
Speaker 2: credit to them, they got Googled a partner, and Google
Speaker 2: did it right.
Speaker 1: So when a company comes there and they says, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna buy you is.
Speaker 4: That all cash? Is that cash plus stocks?
Speaker 2: In our case it depends on the company, right, But
Speaker 2: in our case with Broadcast dot Com, it was all stock.
Speaker 2: And so in my mind I was like, oh shit, right,
Speaker 2: what if this is all the stock market crash? So
Speaker 2: I went once I was legally able to, I did
Speaker 2: something called a caller, So I sold the right to
Speaker 2: somebody to buy the stock at a higher price. That's
Speaker 2: selling calls. And then I used that money to buy puts,
Speaker 2: which protected me in case the stock price createred. Well,
Speaker 2: the stock price did creator, and those puts became worth
Speaker 2: even more money than I would gotten from the stock.
Speaker 2: And they called it one of the top ten trades
Speaker 2: in Wall Street history.
Speaker 4: So that's how they called it.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, so what was that that number one e
Speaker 1: commerce purchase?
Speaker 4: What did you purchase?
Speaker 2: I bought a jet online.
Speaker 4: G I had to be a golf Stream yeah, G five.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just got paid and like time is
Speaker 2: like my number one thing. I want a jet, right,
Speaker 2: I want a jet? And so I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: an internet guy. I'm going to practice what I preach.
Speaker 2: So I got to contact at Gulf Stream. I emailed
Speaker 2: them and I said, okay, can I get a test flight?
Speaker 2: They set up a test flight. I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 2: like this hard to you know, figure out?
Speaker 4: I liked it?
Speaker 2: Right, what's the price? Told me the price was forty
Speaker 2: million dollars. I texted him on a deal, right, send
Speaker 2: me the paperwork, Email me the paperwork, emailed it to me.
Speaker 2: I did a wire transfer, did the whole thing online.
Speaker 1: So the jet was already because you can build your
Speaker 1: own jet, but you didn't.
Speaker 2: Know you can't build your Hello, would you want, Hey, Shannon,
Speaker 2: come on to my jet that I built, would you
Speaker 2: joh the features?
Speaker 4: And yeah? Yeh.
Speaker 2: I don't know nothing about flying? No, right, yeah, So
Speaker 2: that's what I did. So I asked for, you know,
Speaker 2: where's the where's the kitchenen? And how many seeds? What's
Speaker 2: the layout and all that? And the test flight that
Speaker 2: they gave me. Match that, okay, tell us about was
Speaker 2: it American Airlines? You bought a lifetime passes.
Speaker 1: The lifetime passing, you bought two lifetime passes where you
Speaker 1: could fly first class anywhere in the world whenever you
Speaker 1: want it.
Speaker 2: Right, So it's just one. It was a little card
Speaker 2: I got, right, But I could take anybody with me, right,
Speaker 2: and so this was after I sold my first company,
Speaker 2: micro Solutions. I was twenty nine, I think thirty, and
Speaker 2: you know, just sold this company, walked away with a
Speaker 2: few million dollars. And I was like, my buddies and
Speaker 2: I going out just got destroyed. We went to all
Speaker 2: one of these old school steakhouses they don't really have anymore,
Speaker 2: but where you could ask for a phone and plug
Speaker 2: it into a jack in the wall there right at
Speaker 2: your table. Yes, And I'm like, you know what. They're like,
Speaker 2: what do you want? You know, what do you think
Speaker 2: you're going to do with all this money? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't care about cars or houses it, but boy,
Speaker 2: you know, I fly a lock for work. If I
Speaker 2: could get this lifetime passed, I wonder if such a
Speaker 2: thing exists. So I'm like, like, I even because I
Speaker 2: had memorized because I traveled like one eight hundred and
Speaker 2: four three three sixty four sixty four of the American
Speaker 2: I think that's still the number, right, is it? That's
Speaker 2: not right? But anyways, yeah, whatever, And so I called
Speaker 2: them up, just luring my words. Do you guys sell
Speaker 2: lifetime passes? They're like, let me connect you to the
Speaker 2: air pass department. I'm like, what dam right? And so
Speaker 2: I got all that information hungover as hell and I've
Speaker 2: signed up and it was initially it was one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five thousand dollars and then I upgraded it.
Speaker 2: I think I forget out how much I paid. But
Speaker 2: it gave me almost unlimited miles for me and somebody
Speaker 2: else for the rest of my life. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So where where's the past at now?
Speaker 2: I gave my dad's passed away. I gave it to him,
Speaker 2: and then I gave it to a friend as a gift.
Speaker 4: So it was transferable just one time, just one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But because my dad died, they let me do
Speaker 2: it because he didn't use it a lot and I
Speaker 2: didn't use it a lot, so they let me transfer
Speaker 2: I don't think they do that anymore. No, they don't,
Speaker 2: they don't. They don't.
Speaker 4: You put somebody in the way, people.
Speaker 2: But what a deal, right, I mean, let me just
Speaker 2: tell you, like one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, okay, doing the math, that's twelve cents
Speaker 2: a mile. I can deal with that, right, And like
Speaker 2: I'd be out in La or wherever, Dallas. I'm like
Speaker 2: you on a road. Triplet's let's call American Airlines and
Speaker 2: see if they got any flights tonight. Let's go to Vegas.
Speaker 2: What's your name again, doesn't matter, Let's go to Vegas. Well, yes,
Speaker 2: I did. That was what the early nineties. Man, that
Speaker 2: was a different time.
Speaker 4: What type of investor is Mark Cuban now?
Speaker 2: Just really conservative? You know? I like investing in small companies,
Speaker 2: startups where I can help entrepreneurs because I like to
Speaker 2: do that. That's what I do in Shark Tank. But
Speaker 2: with interest rates at five plus percent, why take risk?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So it's easier to do that, either through tax freeze
Speaker 2: or treasuries or whatever. But I still like to invest
Speaker 2: in startups.
Speaker 4: Man, you're on Shark Tank, y'all be taking them? People?
Speaker 4: Many How y'all go take half the company?
Speaker 1: It don't work like five ten years trying to build
Speaker 1: this up. Andy, y'all come in and taking twenty seven percent?
Speaker 1: They offered you five?
Speaker 4: Could you go to ten?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 4: Damn Well?
Speaker 2: It depends on the size of the company, right, because
Speaker 2: I'm giving them a lot of money. Because if they
Speaker 2: didn't need the money, they wouldn't be there. And so
Speaker 2: they're not there because you know, maybe they're there because
Speaker 2: of the commercial, but they're there because they need help.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I've invested in hundreds of companies there over the fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Some have done really well. Beatbox Beverages you may have
Speaker 2: heard of, Dude Wipes, you probably have heard what I
Speaker 2: heard of. There's just a bunch of them that are
Speaker 2: just destroyed, just killed it, and some of them didn't
Speaker 2: do as good, right, And so you've got to You've
Speaker 2: got to understand that, you know, twenty five percent are
Speaker 2: going to go billy out for what ever reason. Forty
Speaker 2: five Now, let's say sixty percent are going to be okay, right,
Speaker 2: and fifteen percent are going to kill it. And I
Speaker 2: got to make sure those fifteen percent I really get
Speaker 2: paid on it to cover all the other ones didn't.
Speaker 4: Ring didn't.
Speaker 2: Ring came on. But I didn't like that deal anyways,
Speaker 2: right because Ring had to They sold for a billion dollars,
Speaker 2: but they had to raise like five hundred million to
Speaker 2: get there. You know, obviously it was a good product
Speaker 2: and it paid out, but I have a rule, right,
Speaker 2: if you have to raise hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: to do tens of millions in sales. It ain't gonna
Speaker 2: work for me right now. If you're able to sell
Speaker 2: and get an exit, more power to you. And he
Speaker 2: was able to, so he deserves all the credit.
Speaker 4: Have you gotten upset when a shark stole one of
Speaker 4: your deals?
Speaker 2: No one steals my shit.
Speaker 4: You have a loss of showing they come on this,
Speaker 4: ay Mark, I want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, Right, you haven't watched show you that
Speaker 2: anybody got one of mine? No? Hell no.
Speaker 4: But I'm other than the.
Speaker 1: Mavericks. Obviously that was a big investment. But you own stuff.
Speaker 1: You own Netflix Amazon.
Speaker 2: I did for a while. Yeah, when they were turning around,
Speaker 2: right when people didn't understand what they were doing. I
Speaker 2: made a lot of money about calls, which you know,
Speaker 2: the right to buy to share it at a higher price,
Speaker 2: and I bought a lot of them, a lot of them,
Speaker 2: and they went up ten times what I put up.
Speaker 2: So I was a happy camper.
Speaker 1: But when they say it takes money to make money,
Speaker 1: because you've been in the situation, because you've created these
Speaker 1: companies and been able to have money, so when these lesser,
Speaker 1: when the like you said you like to invest in startups,
Speaker 1: you're able to make a kill it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, in order to be a billionaire,
Speaker 2: you have to be lucky as fuck. There's no way
Speaker 2: around it, right. I don't care how smart I think
Speaker 2: I am, or Bill Gates or Steve Balmer or Buffett
Speaker 2: or Elon Musk. It takes luck, right, you know, You've
Speaker 2: got to if I started doing things five years earlier,
Speaker 2: right and coming out of college and the Internet wasn't happening, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know right, you know it's just when we started costplay,
Speaker 2: when we started broadcast dot com, that was right at
Speaker 2: the right time, and no one had done streaming, and
Speaker 2: the end the Internet stock market was just blowing up, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's how you become a billionaire. And that you know,
Speaker 2: I worked my ass off, I was smart. I did
Speaker 2: shit other people were afraid to do. But if the
Speaker 2: Internet stock market hasn't hadn't been the same, I'd be
Speaker 2: just some guy, you know, just chilling, you know, the
Speaker 2: Vice House, and you'd have no idea who I was.
Speaker 4: Right but it.
Speaker 1: But you have to take some risks because I remember
Speaker 1: when Google came out and they thought that the shares
Speaker 1: were going to open up about eighty five dollars. This year,
Speaker 1: and I remember sitting to my financial guys and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know what. I had just signed
Speaker 1: with the Ravens, so I had some money and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I like buy you know, three hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth? Well, it opens up at one fifteen.
Speaker 1: And he says it's overpriced, and so you know it's
Speaker 1: gonna come back.
Speaker 2: Right, they don't have the profit. Yeah, hey, I've done
Speaker 2: that for you. I know you're not the first one
Speaker 2: that says it's like in video. It's like in video
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like I told my son, my son wanted to invest in,
Speaker 2: and he bought some and I'm like, you know, I'd
Speaker 2: rather see it come down first, and my son's like,
Speaker 2: got you, who's the expert now? Right?
Speaker 4: Ebody? And how many times has Google split?
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean you know it's worth over three trillion
Speaker 2: dollars three trillion dollars trillions trillions, I mean not billions,
Speaker 2: that's a thousand billions, a trillion dollars.
Speaker 4: So that my investment, I'd have been a billionaire with you.
Speaker 2: Right, you fucked up.
Speaker 4: I need.
Speaker 1: I fucked them bad because Netflix and Google and I
Speaker 1: had the money to do it.
Speaker 4: But somebody talked me out of it.
Speaker 2: But but he But then there's twenty five other ones
Speaker 2: that right, you thought you should go in, he talked
Speaker 2: you out of.
Speaker 1: They lost their butt and say so it evens out
Speaker 1: when people, when you so benevolent, when people try to
Speaker 1: take advantage of you, are read that you had an
Speaker 1: employee that steal from me.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: When you've been as generous as you have over your
Speaker 1: the course of your career, how does that make you
Speaker 1: sour on people?
Speaker 2: No? No, because people steal. What am I going to do?
Speaker 4: Feel for somebody else? Don't steal from me?
Speaker 2: So you know what, it's a good problem to have, right,
Speaker 2: That means you got it, Huh, I can afford it. Right,
Speaker 2: Like my first company, micro Solutions, Though, there is a
Speaker 2: lady Renee Hardy r E n E e h A
Speaker 2: R d Y Right. We she was our receptionist and
Speaker 2: her job she had one job. Right, take their payables
Speaker 2: for our vendors, put it in an envelope, Lick the envelope,
Speaker 2: take it to the post office. Right, we had eighty
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars in the bank. I'll never forget get
Speaker 2: a call from the bank, sir. This woman just came
Speaker 2: through the drive through and the checks were white it out.
Speaker 2: The paye was white it out. Remember white out was yes, Yes,
Speaker 2: she wrote her name in it. And I'm like, you
Speaker 2: didn't cash them, did you? Of course we did, We're
Speaker 2: a bank, sir. She took eighty two of the eighty
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars that we had. We were flat broke,
Speaker 2: and the eighty two thousand was supposed to go to vendors.
Speaker 2: So now we had to call the vendors say, please
Speaker 2: work with us, we'll bust her ass, we'll make sure
Speaker 2: you get paid. And they did. They worked with us, right,
Speaker 2: and the rest is history. But she could have just
Speaker 2: boove done. Then I was mad. That's why I always say,
Speaker 2: Renee Hardy, did you press charges? We couldn't find her.
Speaker 2: That's been years and no one's found her since. And
Speaker 2: now I get emails from people right that are like
Speaker 2: I heard about this name from day Hardy, you know,
Speaker 2: and so and so's names. It's just random names write
Speaker 2: the same name, and like, no no one's ever found her.
Speaker 2: She's probably changed her name or whatever. Mark.
Speaker 4: When you accumulate the amount of wealth that you have,
Speaker 4: how has you in a circle changed.
Speaker 2: It hasn't hasn't at all. Like my guys from you know,
Speaker 2: grade school, high school that I grew up with, we
Speaker 2: just did a zoom. We do every two weeks they
Speaker 2: come out to MAVs games. I go see them. They're
Speaker 2: still my buddies, my college buddies. You know, Ben and Tim,
Speaker 2: you know, still my best friends. I played rugby in
Speaker 2: college and after my rugby teammates are still my best buddies.
Speaker 2: When I came to Dallas, I slept, you know, five guys,
Speaker 2: six guys in a three bedroom apartment, and you know
Speaker 2: Shippy and Sues and Ronnied and you know Fred Turner
Speaker 2: and all these guys. They're all still my great friends.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day. At heart, you're a
Speaker 4: college frad guy, oh for sure.
Speaker 2: But you know he got six guys and we in
Speaker 2: the bedroom, we just hanging out. We go out, Drake,
Speaker 2: be you matter right, and you know, live like like.
Speaker 2: I bought a book when I was in college. It
Speaker 2: was called How to Retire by the Age of thirty five,
Speaker 2: And basically what it says is live like a student
Speaker 2: so you can save all your money right, and then
Speaker 2: if you do that, you know and you you know
Speaker 2: even if you're investing in like just treasuries whatever they
Speaker 2: pay three four five percent. Okay, you know, you get
Speaker 2: you know, a million dollars and you make five percent
Speaker 2: on that. That's fifty grand. If you're living like a student,
Speaker 2: you turn that into two million, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And that was my goal, right, And so moving down
Speaker 2: the Dallas and living, you know, sleeping on the floor
Speaker 2: the whole time, you know, going out and literally buying
Speaker 2: one beer and eating all the fried mushrooms and shit.
Speaker 4: I was cool with that.
Speaker 2: I was having a blast. There was no problem at all.
Speaker 4: What was your fan?
Speaker 1: Because I think the thing is it's easier said than
Speaker 1: done because a lot of time I'm just speaking to me.
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak to anybody else, but speak
Speaker 1: to me. We didn't have anything growing up, and I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to make sure that I could take care
Speaker 1: of my family. But I wanted some things that I
Speaker 1: couldn't get when I was growing up. For sure, I
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to go to a restaurant and
Speaker 1: if I wanted something nice, to be able to go
Speaker 1: if I saw something, you know, clothed as far as clothes,
Speaker 1: maybe a watch, I want to be able to get it.
Speaker 4: Your mom and dad were you like middle class?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad did a polsterrying car so or see.
Speaker 2: So if you if this had a ripping it, you
Speaker 2: take it to where my dad worked and he'd sew
Speaker 2: it up. Right. My mom did odd jobs.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: My dad never made more than forty thousand dollars a
Speaker 2: year in his life.
Speaker 4: That was good money. Though.
Speaker 2: You realize when you no, I know, I'm not complaining it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not complaining right, Yeah, I'm not complaining right. But
Speaker 2: still you know, and that's you know, he wouldn't retire,
Speaker 2: like even after I started making money, he wouldn't retire. Really, no, No,
Speaker 2: he had to work, right, that's you know, that's his thing.
Speaker 2: That's just thing. Yeah, And like he had to be
Speaker 2: able to pull out that credit card if we all
Speaker 2: went to dinner and pay for it, because if I
Speaker 2: paid for that, that was an insult.
Speaker 4: Wow, I read you had your hip to replace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both of them. I had both of my replaced
Speaker 2: A lot better, isn't it. Well, it's a new lease
Speaker 2: on life. I'm telling you. You wake up and it's
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Mean that I'm living cause back I was surviving the pain.
Speaker 1: It's like, on a scale of one to ten.
Speaker 2: Was the pain ten for right, because you like you,
Speaker 2: you'd be in bed, right, you'd be trying to sleep
Speaker 2: and they would lock up and you'd have to do
Speaker 2: like a push up and like drop. I would have
Speaker 2: to do a drop just to get them unlocks so
Speaker 2: I can walk. And like I remember I was. I
Speaker 2: got one done at forty nine and then the other
Speaker 2: one done like five years later. And I remember walking
Speaker 2: through the hall of the arena and one of our
Speaker 2: guys like, dude, you walk like an eighty year old man.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, it's time. It's time. You know,
Speaker 2: my legs wouldn't go that wide.
Speaker 4: It was just like it's I mean, how you have
Speaker 4: to get out of bed? You gotta roll?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It's but I mean, and the doctor told me say,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a new lease on life. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did you.
Speaker 4: Everybody every doctor says that after surgery.
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Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 2: I actually got a cold email from a doctor named
Speaker 2: doctor alex Osmyanski and her offices right across the street there,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I want to start this pharmacy that
Speaker 2: manufactured compounding pharmacy that manufactures drugs that are on a
Speaker 2: shortage list right so that people can't get them. I
Speaker 2: want to make them so they can get access to
Speaker 2: their medications. And I'm like, that's great, but what more
Speaker 2: can we do? And so we started talking, and this
Speaker 2: is right about the time the farmer bro is going
Speaker 2: to jail. And I'm like, if this dude can like
Speaker 2: buy one drug dare prem and just jack up the price,
Speaker 2: then do something wrong with this business. Let me let
Speaker 2: me look into it. And it was really obvious, really
Speaker 2: quickly that what was missing is transparency. Nobody trusts the
Speaker 2: price of healthcare. Nobody trusts health care at all, right,
Speaker 2: particularly medica medications. Right. So if you get a prescription
Speaker 2: for something, the first question they ask is, and you know,
Speaker 2: can you afford it? It's like where's your pharmacy? Right?
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Speaker 2: in line, don't know what it's going to cost and
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Speaker 2: mark it up fifteen percent, we add our shipping and
Speaker 2: handling on it, and then when you add it all
Speaker 2: together in this case, less than a bag of M
Speaker 2: and MS. But it's going to be cheaper than anywhere else.
Speaker 2: And so what else is cool about it, though, is
Speaker 2: there are a lot there are a lot of companies
Speaker 2: before us that these things call pharmacy benefit managers. We
Speaker 2: don't need to get into it that just jack up
Speaker 2: the price of certain drugs because they're they're not used
Speaker 2: all that much. Yes, supply demand and so like, I
Speaker 2: had a friend who was in this car wreck and
Speaker 2: he lost his insurance and they were going to there's
Speaker 2: a struke called drop a Doza, Drop a Doza, and
Speaker 2: they were like saying they were going to charge him
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars every three months. And he's like, I
Speaker 2: can't afford that?
Speaker 4: Can you help?
Speaker 2: Now? Not very many people can't afford that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: let me check. So I check into it, and this
Speaker 2: was two years ago, and I'm like, okay, Landed, I
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Speaker 2: There's these other drugs for muscular differ multiple sclerosis rather
Speaker 2: and we're seeing our price be twenty one dollars, twenty
Speaker 2: two dollars. Other people are charging two thousand dollars. Other
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Speaker 2: this trend, our price is like twenty three to twenty
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Speaker 2: way you can afford your medication. Not only are you
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Speaker 2: I get emails and texts and social media almost every
Speaker 2: day saying, oh my god, you saved my life. So
Speaker 2: if right now we're almost we have like twenty five
Speaker 2: hundred generic, seventy four different brands, and we're adding more
Speaker 2: and more brands. But if you want to see if
Speaker 2: you can reduce the price of your medications, go to
Speaker 2: costplus Drugs dot com.
Speaker 4: What made you decide to do that?
Speaker 2: The healthcare industry is fucked up? I mean, what could
Speaker 2: be you know, I've done a lot of people, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, what could be a better legacy. What could
Speaker 2: be a better way, you know, to really be successful
Speaker 2: in business than fucking up the healthcare business? To me,
Speaker 2: that was everything right to come in. And we've only
Speaker 2: been in two and a half years and we literally
Speaker 2: are changing the whole industry. And so I'm proud of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's exciting and it's fun and we're just
Speaker 2: getting started.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on ozimpic It seems that that's
Speaker 4: the new.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Holby Wood. I mean, I'm not a doctor,
Speaker 2: but whether it's to zeppatide which is zep bound from Lily,
Speaker 2: or ozempic which is from Nover North right by the
Speaker 2: way Lily. Just so, there's two ways you can get
Speaker 2: the diet drugs, right, the glp ones is what they
Speaker 2: call them, and there's two ways again. You can get
Speaker 2: them with the pens, right, or you can get them
Speaker 2: with the vial right. And if you get them with
Speaker 2: the vial, they just started selling them with the vial
Speaker 2: this week. Instead of it being thirteen hundred dollars a month,
Speaker 2: it'll be four or five hundred dollars a month, and
Speaker 2: so the prices are starting to come down and if
Speaker 2: they live up to the billing again, I'm not a doctor,
Speaker 2: I'm not the scientist, but if they live up to
Speaker 2: the billing, it's going to change a lot. People crave foods,
Speaker 2: and if the thing ever got down under one hundred
Speaker 2: bucks a month, everybody's going to take it right, and
Speaker 2: it's gonna you know, you talk about investing, right. Are
Speaker 2: people going to eat less food, Yeah, they're gonna eatless food.
Speaker 2: Are people going to be healthier and lead less health care? Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're going to need less health care? You know, Are
Speaker 2: there gonna be fewer heart attacks? Et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Bey though, Mark, everybody's you know, I mean we don't.
Speaker 2: We want people of different sizes and different bodies. You
Speaker 2: don't have to and not everybody responds the same way.
Speaker 2: You don't, and you don't have to take it right.
Speaker 2: You don't have to take it.
Speaker 4: So I guess if you take it, you try to
Speaker 4: get skinny, huh.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but you don't have to, right. I
Speaker 2: mean there's studies that say, you know, you see athletes, right,
Speaker 2: some of these dudes six ' eight, three hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty pounds that are just insane shape and great athletes.
Speaker 2: Everybody's their own thing.
Speaker 1: The Illuminati. I've had people over here and they talk
Speaker 1: about the Illuminati.
Speaker 2: Do you believe any fuck?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Literally, people come on and think it's real. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So like, what are the other ones? There's the Illuminati,
Speaker 2: and who are the other ones that are like that?
Speaker 2: There's like other secret groups.
Speaker 4: Right, yes, yes, yes, secret societies.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm rich as fuck, I'm Jewish. Nobody asked
Speaker 2: me to join none of them secret societies, right, nobody.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hello, can I at least get an invite
Speaker 2: to a cocktail party? Nobody? Noboddy. I'm like, okay, maybe
Speaker 2: it's me.
Speaker 4: You go blow the lid on the thing.
Speaker 2: No, if it's cool. I mean I've been in many parties.
Speaker 2: I haven't said shit.
Speaker 4: Right, social media? What are your thoughts on social media?
Speaker 2: I mean bad, good and bad?
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It's not so good for kids anymore. It's not good
Speaker 2: when it comes to politics and medical information. There's a
Speaker 2: ton of misinformation. But I mean when it's social, it
Speaker 2: can be great. But social media isn't social anymore. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe some on Instagram, maybe some on TikTok, but even there, right,
Speaker 2: you post something you think is no big deal when
Speaker 2: people are killing you right, they're giving you shit about
Speaker 2: everything just because they can, and there's just no way
Speaker 2: around that. And even worse, right, the way the algorithms
Speaker 2: work now, everybody's social media feed is different. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: yours is different than mine, than different than each one
Speaker 2: of the folks here. Everybody's different, and so the way
Speaker 2: things are sold has changed. The way people consume information
Speaker 2: has changed. We have an election coming up, right, and
Speaker 2: everybody gets their own feed, and nobody knows what's real information,
Speaker 2: and everybody now thinks that things in like fifteen thirty
Speaker 2: second sound bites.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Delonte West, he's falling on some hard times and
Speaker 1: you've done several times, you've reached out and tried to help.
Speaker 1: How hard it is to see someone that played for
Speaker 1: you struggle with brutal mental health, illness.
Speaker 2: Brutal right, because I thought we had them. I thought
Speaker 2: we had him turned around. You know. We sent him
Speaker 2: down to Jason's place down in Florida and it's like
Speaker 2: a farm, Jason Williams, and you know, he's like he's
Speaker 2: making progress, sending pictures. Dante's emailing me and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're getting this. Then Dante throws the ship over the fence, disappears,
Speaker 2: we bring them back again, making progress. This is it
Speaker 2: same shit, only so much you can do? Wow?
Speaker 4: Ye what can people learn from that story?
Speaker 2: Mental illness is real? It is real, and you just
Speaker 2: don't wish it away. You don't just rehab it away.
Speaker 2: You know. I've got other friends, you know, Tanya, these
Speaker 2: other people that I support and help you just you
Speaker 2: want them to get help. But some things you can't
Speaker 2: help on everything.
Speaker 4: He went the shareholder in Twitter before, No.
Speaker 2: I was I wasn't. It was, I wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 2: So what's your what's your back and forth with with yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I just love the fun with him, right.
Speaker 2: It's like nobody likes to fuck with him, right, So
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, yeah right. I mean he's got really
Speaker 2: thin skin and so it just makes it easy. It's
Speaker 2: like he sets himself up. Right when when you think,
Speaker 2: when it's your place and it's your business, it's like
Speaker 2: a club, right, yeah, come on in, have a drink,
Speaker 2: and every you just assume everybody's just gonna really, you know,
Speaker 2: say yes to you.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Nobody ever says that dinner sucked, right, I just it's
Speaker 2: just fun and I don't have anything personal against him,
Speaker 2: and I never initiate it. Right. The only time I
Speaker 2: ever come go back at Elon is when he tries
Speaker 2: to fuck with me. So like he's called me a racist,
Speaker 2: he's called me a fool, he's called me all these
Speaker 2: different names. So he's always called me name. I don't care.
Speaker 2: But if you're going to call me a name, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna fuck with you, right, because it's because you're Elon.
Speaker 2: If it's just some random what's the point?
Speaker 4: How important is this election in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2: Everything? To me? I mean, look, if you don't think
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a threat, you don't think this is
Speaker 2: the most important election I do. I just don't. I've
Speaker 2: known him for twenty five years. I don't trust him, right.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's moral. I don't think he's ethical.
Speaker 2: I've seen him rip people off. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: believe pretty much anything he says. And so to me,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been trying to support Kamala.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on d I d I. I
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 2: I think it's good for business, right, you know, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people try to misrepresent what it is.
Speaker 2: But to me, diversity means, you know, good business go
Speaker 2: look for people where other people aren't looking. Right, Not
Speaker 2: all companies recruit at HBCUs right, not all companies recruit
Speaker 2: you know ed, you know, different schools where there's a
Speaker 2: large Indian population or where there's a large LGBTQ populations,
Speaker 2: and so you know, I want, like any other business element,
Speaker 2: I want to look where other people aren't because that's
Speaker 2: where you find smart people. And then once you find
Speaker 2: those smart people that got to be qualified, you're not
Speaker 2: hire them if they're not qualified.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: But just some people think like, okay, I hired someone
Speaker 2: who's black or LGBQ or Hispanic, Well they must not
Speaker 2: be qualified. No, you're not going to hire them a
Speaker 2: lesser qualified, right, So the DEI doesn't mean hiring less
Speaker 2: qualified people. It just means finding people that, yeah, well
Speaker 2: just they happen to be diverse. Right, you're looking to
Speaker 2: other people, yes, right, Because you can be as diverse
Speaker 2: as you want. You can be LGBTQ, trans, black and Hispanic.
Speaker 2: But if you're not qualified, you're not getting hired.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: That doesn't do you any good. Right, But I want
Speaker 2: to go where other people aren't looking. And then once
Speaker 2: you hire them. The E is equity, right, it means
Speaker 2: I'm going to put you in a position to succeed.
Speaker 2: I hired your ass, right of course, I'm going to
Speaker 2: try to put you in a position. Yeah. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: then the I what we're talking about is just I'm
Speaker 2: gonna let you be you, right, And so being inclusive
Speaker 2: means if you're LGBTQ, if you're trans, I don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck as long as you're good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care, right, you'll be a lumberjack.
Speaker 2: I don't care. Right, you're gonna walk around and seeing
Speaker 2: a lumberjacksaw, I don't care, right, But you know, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make sure people are in the workplace in the
Speaker 2: organization respect that. Right. If you know you're a boy
Speaker 2: and you want to call yourself Sue, I don't care, right,
Speaker 2: people are gonna call you sue. And some people they
Speaker 2: use it as an excuse if they don't get a job, right,
Speaker 2: it must be DEI but no, I mean, and either
Speaker 2: a qualifier or you're not right. And once you get there,
Speaker 2: just because you were hired in your diverse doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you're getting a promotion, doesn't mean you're getting the next job.
Speaker 2: And to me, that's what DEI is and that's why
Speaker 2: I've been a big supporter.
Speaker 4: I want to get you out of here on this one.
Speaker 1: Mark how hard because you got married after you had
Speaker 1: already had some paper, major paper.
Speaker 4: How are you able to tell that you know what
Speaker 4: she loves me for? Be a market or do we ever?
Speaker 4: Do you really know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you know. I mean if she'll let
Speaker 2: you hit you with the touch oven God. No, I
Speaker 2: made her. I made her go to to Oh my god,
Speaker 2: spacing out, what the fuck? The little Burger's white castles? Right? What?
Speaker 2: I made her go to white That was the test
Speaker 2: before we got buried. And so I'm going we're going
Speaker 2: to white castles because I went to go in Indiana.
Speaker 2: White castles were everywhere, right, yes, And so I was like,
Speaker 2: we're going to white castles, and if you really love me,
Speaker 2: you'll eat a white castle burger. She did.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Give me three things that you tell your kids, because
Speaker 1: obviously you you want your kids to be productive citizens.
Speaker 1: You don't want to hand them everything. So what are
Speaker 1: some of the advice that you give your kids? Because
Speaker 1: obviously they know who you are, they know what they.
Speaker 4: What you have, So what they have.
Speaker 2: So Number one one is when your friends get drunk,
Speaker 2: nobody cares, right when you get drunk, because you're my kid,
Speaker 2: You're on the front page of the paper, and you're
Speaker 2: all over social media. So always pay attention to where
Speaker 2: you're at and what you're doing, and be respectful. Right.
Speaker 2: Number two, you've got you've got to set your own path.
Speaker 2: You know, you've got to understand that as you get older,
Speaker 2: you're gonna want to define your own future. So you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to do to work like I literally just
Speaker 2: work my son a note to that effect. And then
Speaker 2: just generally right, and I say this to all kids
Speaker 2: and all people right. To be successful, you have to
Speaker 2: be curious because the world's always changing. You have to
Speaker 2: be agile because the world's always changing. And then I
Speaker 2: was I also have a couple of really stupid sayings, right,
Speaker 2: and you asked for three, but I'm gonna go further.
Speaker 2: Number one is how you do anything, and is how
Speaker 2: you do everything right. Applies to sports, and I think
Speaker 2: it applies to life, right, And I'll leave it at
Speaker 2: that one because that that's probably the most important because
Speaker 2: most people will cut every corner that they can, right.
Speaker 2: And I don't want them to cut corners because you
Speaker 2: know they don't have to worry about money.
Speaker 4: Is it true that you don't have a shelf, a maid,
Speaker 4: a butler.
Speaker 2: I don't have we have a maid, right. So when
Speaker 2: I traveled, you know, I've got different places. I don't
Speaker 2: have anything there, right, So I'll do my own laundry.
Speaker 2: I'll make my own food. Yeah. So it's like I
Speaker 2: have a little shithole in Manhattan Beach in LA because
Speaker 2: it's close to the ocean and I hang so, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll get my own food there. If I'm in New York,
Speaker 2: we have an apartment there. I do my own thing there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we do Mark, Yeah, but I do in Dallas, right,
Speaker 2: we have somebody who cooks my food because I try
Speaker 2: to eat healthy and my wife makes it for everybody else.
Speaker 2: But she cooks her own food. But we do have
Speaker 2: we do have people to clean the house. It's twenty
Speaker 2: two thousand square feet. We ain't cleaning that shit, right.
Speaker 1: Last question to get you out on this, Anthony Edwards
Speaker 1: and Maggie Johnson and Man said, basically, Michael Jordan was
Speaker 1: really the only skill got back then, so it was
Speaker 1: eating long story short, Magic said look, I ain't taking down.
Speaker 4: Listen, nobody they want no time, got.
Speaker 2: No titles, right, no level? Good for Magic? Right?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 2: What? What?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that? Because you know Magic,
Speaker 1: I know Magic twenty five years. You probably know him
Speaker 1: a little better than I do. But I've never heard Magic.
Speaker 2: Go go back at somebody like, oh, he's always super sweet.
Speaker 2: Your's Magic? Yeah, right, that was irving, right, right, that
Speaker 2: was irving, right. And it's not like anybody else has
Speaker 2: brought the skyhook to the game either, right, you know
Speaker 2: with Kareem and so look, you know, and that's his vibe, right,
Speaker 2: He's gonna talk, he's gonna talk shit, he's gonna stir
Speaker 2: things up. So I respect that. I mean, he's been
Speaker 2: great for the NBA because he's just got a great
Speaker 2: energy to him, right, And he's he's a social media kid, right,
Speaker 2: he grew up with that, so that's the way it works.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Magic was right, and going back at him,
Speaker 2: I'm glad he did.
Speaker 4: Mark Cuban, Ladies and gentlemen, this.
Speaker 2: Is great, great job. I really yeah, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: All my life grunting, all my life, sacrifice Hustle, pay
Speaker 3: the price. Wanta slice? Got to brow the dice, that
Speaker 3: squad all my life. I've been grinding all my life,
Speaker 3: all my life, running all my life. Second price, Hustle,
Speaker 3: pay the price. Want a slice, Got to brow the dice,
Speaker 3: the squad all my life. I've been grinding all my life.
Speaker 4: Yeah mm hmm