WEBVTT - The Club Q Shooting 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:10.920 Bye, could happen here? I don't know why I did 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.120 that voice. I'm Robert Evans, host of a podcast that 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:19.480 has many other hosts who all are on the podcast 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.800 right now. We have, in order of them being on 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:29.800 my zoom screen, Chris Garrison, Sharene and James. Hey, everybody, 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.840 how's it going? Good? Great? We brought the full crew 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.879 in to talk about the worst ship. So yeah, a 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.640 whole bunch of kind of had a lot of great 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:45.680 things have happened the past week, So we took We 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.040 took last week mostly off from work due to a 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.640 series of court cases. UM and uh, thanks to an injunction, 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.600 we're allowed to podcast again. So I figured it would 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.880 be we had a couple of I mean, defying stories 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.160 break in a row, UM that we, as the people 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.280 we are, kind of had specific bits of insight on 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.840 that I think might help, uh catch our listeners up 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.480 to some maybe underappreciated aspects of some of the big 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.440 stories of the last week. So we wanted to start 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:20.080 with the mass shooting in Colorado Springs, UM, specifically talking 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.399 about the family of the still alleged but you know, 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.840 definitely did it shooter. James, you want to kick us 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.240 off there. Yeah, I wanted to start out with this 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.000 um so that the alleged shooter it is called Anderson 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:40.200 Ley old Rich, right and comes from a an LDS 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:44.400 last today sat family in San Diego, And like I 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.840 think everyone has probably seen this very viral thirty second 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.600 clip of his father that went around Twitter and would 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.800 be to day after the shooting, and his dad, just 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.480 so we're super clear on this sense some disgusting things 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.480 and there's a piece of ship for saying them. I 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.960 don't want to excuse any of the ship, he said. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.520 I also don't want to excuse the way that that 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.160 was cut because I think it was pretty pretty shitty. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.400 Like there are people we should be really fucking angry at, 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.680 and his father is one of them. But his father 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.200 didn't excuse the shooting. And if you look at that 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.480 eight minute interview, he says that like what happened was wrong, etcetera, etcetera. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.640 And there are people who have excused the shooting, right, 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.040 Like I think Chris is going to speak some of them, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.520 Temple Tucker, Carlson, people who created a climate where this 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.760 happened and have asked for it to happen again and 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.960 are asking continually for it to happen again, his dad 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:40.040 didn't do that. Again his dad, his dad doesn't seem 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.720 to have been a great dad, right, his dad was 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.280 was like using when he was a kid. His dad 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.400 was abusive, and what is his violence? I think we 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.280 all know lots of people who were raised in those 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.720 climates who didn't go on to shoot up a nightclub. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.080 And it just kind of I saw something. I don't know. 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.920 I was upset by the response to that in a 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.720 sense because like I know some any people who come 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.840 from from families and homes like that, and I like 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.320 being like, oh, he was doomed to be this way 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.880 because of how his dad was, just like, isn't I 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.040 don't know. It just upset me. It's not the response 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.360 we need, you know, Like I think we should hold 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.400 like hold what his dad said, like hold his dad 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.399 to account of what he said, but also not like 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:25.560 allow that to explain. Yes, I have a couple I like, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.160 I have confused feelings on it because his dad does 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.040 go into a long thing where he says, you know, 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.040 you shouldn't there's nothing that justifies violence. You know, these 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.360 people's lives were precious. All lives are precious. But he 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.680 also was like I taught him that violence was a 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.640 great way to solve problems. UM, and you know, expresses 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.520 that he was glad to learn that his son wasn't gay, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:50.040 And I don't just up, Yeah, I don't know, I 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:51.920 don't Yeah, I don't know how much I want to 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:56.040 like interpret that as he really meant what he said 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.520 about nothing justifying this in those people's lives being precious 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.920 because they is kind of this thing that like you 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.760 get on the And this guy is obviously not a 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.680 thought leader on the Christian right, not like he's not 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.080 like a luminary. I don't think he contributed outside of, 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:11.720 you know, the things he may have raised his son 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.680 to believe, to the broader national climate of of hate. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.040 Right now, there's just a study that was released today 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.279 that UM from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.599 Project Data confirms that anti LGBT mobilization is now the 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.680 leading driver or a fire right protest activity in the US. Obviously, 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:34.000 this guy didn't make that happen, UM, But I noticed 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.160 a similarity between like the I there's nothing worse than 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.680 my kid being gay, but also when a bad thing 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.240 gets done by a Christian to gay people, well, their 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.880 lives are still precious. We just like hate what they 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.680 how they live them. Um, I don't know, I don't 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.640 know how where to where to go further with that, 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.240 but you're right that like that, the thirty second clip 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:59.000 is very dishonestly edited in order to like, um cut 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:00.839 out a lot of what this guy was saying, which 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.839 I have a problem with regardless of who you're doing 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.960 it too. Yeah, it's just it's bad journalism. And like 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.360 I would rather we point out rage at the people 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.240 who are going to make this happen again unless we 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.400 stop them. Yeah, like this guy, I'm this guy had 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.680 the degree to which this guy contributed to this massacre 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.520 by being this dude's dad. Um, I don't think there's 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.360 anyone else he's going to push into killing if if 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.680 he indeed did that, whereas people like Tim Poole are 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.400 going to continue to do that. And also I do 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.400 want to say, like, like the Mormon Church does not 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:38.160 get a pass for this. Yeah, like that No, absolute 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:42.480 believably fucking homophobic, Like absolutely, he's a ship super racist. 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.160 Like yeah, and you know a lot of people really 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.560 haven't been talking about this, and they should because they 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.240 fucking suck. And Yeah, this is this is you know, like, yeah, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.000 it turns out when you have a bunch of people 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.240 like giving sermons about fucking musket balls, like this is 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.840 what happens. Yeah, you know they don't they don't get 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.400 off the hook for this either. No, and they're like 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.919 domination of politics in some areas. He really needs to 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.440 be seriously looked at. Talking of like domination of politics. 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.680 I do want to talk about his grandfather a little bit, 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:17.560 because his grandfather is bonkers. So his grandfather is called 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.640 Randy Vocal Uh might be pronounced verpal Um, but he's 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.719 He was mayor of Santi. So Santi is a town 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.080 east of San Diego. It's not not very far east. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:32.160 I think Sharina probably familiar with Santie, right, Yeah, Santi 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.839 is a place that's that's about ye about it. People 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:40.240 sometimes called it planned. He definitely like Metzka was there 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:44.240 for a while, right, And yeah, when Vopal was mayor 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.560 in two thousand and one, there was a school shooting 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:50.280 in Santi about which he spoke. He hasn't spoken about 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:54.200 this one yet at all. He's he's heal, Yeah, strange, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:58.040 that strange. He's pretty much gone, which is not like 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.839 it when this guy speaks, he he rarely helps himself 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.479 when when he speaks to media who don't agree with 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.840 every position he's on. So I like, I want to 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.600 ground like. He became mayor of Santi in two thousand. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:16.320 In a black marine by the name of Carlos Colbert, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.200 who was a large corporal in the Marine Corps, was 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.040 beaten and paralyzed by five white men at Memorial Day 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.960 party in Santy like and that doesn't represent the whole town, 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:29.640 but that was how people thought of that town. And 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.880 in the early two thousands, right the place it was 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.920 always a place to avoid, Like you don't really want 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.320 to go there? I don't know. Yeah, I have friends 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.560 who still don't want to go to Santi like. Um, 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.960 I have friends who are like delivery drivers who are 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.840 like black people who have been told like they used 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.000 to not saying black folks deliver into Santi Like. It 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.240 definitely has whether or not that's the case now it's 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.200 becoming more more diverse, I think, like ethnically, but it 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.600 certainly has a reputation of being a place where it's 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.080 not safe. And this is a place that elects him 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.720 as mayor in two thousand, right Joust in one they 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.360 have a high school shooting, and he just kind of 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:14.080 continues to spout some absolutely crazy stuff. It's probably worth 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:19.040 noting that he's not as like far from the like 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.280 the norm of the GOP, which is still a long 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.760 way from like good when it comes to like LGBTQ stuff, 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.720 as he is for other things like his His probably 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.840 his most famous crazy position is that climate change is 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.480 good because most of our enemies live in I'm quoting now, 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.600 most of our enemies live in hot climates, desert climates. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.280 It will probably have a negative effect on their environment. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.080 Most of the Muslim nations are in hot areas of 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:53.839 the world. Honestly, Yeah, just absolutely incredible. We did we did? 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:59.839 We find the world's first pro eco fascist fascist. I 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.520 have met a few anti there's people who are pro 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:07.080 climate change because it wization, but this is this is 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.640 like a whole other level. Well, there's dry us out weird. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.439 Do you want to know why he thinks this climate 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.760 change happens? Please God. I believe about one percent of 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.560 climate change is impacted by human beings. The rest of 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:28.440 that should not rest in rest body. It's solar cycles, quote, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.520 the natural wobbling of the Earth and volcanic activities. Ah, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:38.560 this is this is the classic. Yeah, yeah, there's there's 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.200 a couple of good ones. I personally partial to. We 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.120 didn't have enough CEO two and climate change is the 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.199 only thing that's going to save us from the CEO 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:54.079 to shortage that. Yeah. Notable. Other vocal bangers include I'm 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.320 getting attacks out here by the Vietcong stealing my copper, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:04.079 and I don't like it that. It would be super 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.000 funny if it turned out that the Vietcong had sent 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.679 like a deep cover special spec opsy in it to 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:21.360 California just to funk with this guy's copper. Just good, Um, 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.760 he's just he's just a yeah, just a powerful example 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.120 of what happened if you lick lead paint, Like just 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.560 an incredible boomer. So he was voted out in by 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:40.080 a considerable marche I think got about sorry this this 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:48.600 so he's serving out. He just got voted out. Yeah. Years. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:53.000 How many he moved in? I think sixteen he moved 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:59.200 into the California Assembly, so representing like this this master yeah, yeah, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:05.720 statewide office. This is the on the left coast California. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.840 It is It means one thing to people who have 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.920 never been to the West Coast. But have you been 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.040 to the West coast the conservative parts of California like 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.439 the Republican Party. They're massive, and the Republican Party has 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:21.200 absolutely locked in control. It is very difficult to remove 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:25.119 to move them in places like there's there's more Republican 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:30.120 voters in California than most states than most states. Yes, yeah, 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:34.080 if you want a slice of like eastern California, just 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.200 check out Riverside County share with Chad Bianco's Instagram, where 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.120 he mostly just rides around on a horse and criticizes 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:45.280 COVID restricts. But yeah, this is yeah, it's really something 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:50.320 incredible poster. But this is I think an insight into 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.600 like this side of California, the people. It doesn't mean 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.280 that everyone who lives in the county. Of course he's 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.480 bigoted or racist, Like there are lots of very nice 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.480 kind people in his county. I know there are some 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:03.680 anarchist communites out there, but um, yeah, this vocal claim. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.800 He hasn't spoken to his grandson for years. But this 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.520 guy has been spouting this ship for twenty years, right, 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.960 Like he became there of Santi in two thousand. That 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.080 was when this shooter Old Rich was born so like 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.679 for his entire life, Vocal has been saying stuff like 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.320 the conga stealing my copper. I mean it is it 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.280 is true that this this person did grow up surrounded 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:33.680 by a constant bubble of of homophobic rhetoric, dehumanizing rhetoric, 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.439 and that that does shape the person that you are. Obviously, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.080 that doesn't it doesn't mean you're going to go do 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:40.640 the best shooting. Theres lots of people who grew up 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.599 in those environments who turn out to be very wonderful people. Um, 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:49.719 but but yeah, that is definitely like the environment that 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.640 you're raised in and around obviously doesn't obviously affects who 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:58.640 you're gonna be. And this the shooters posting like burning 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.079 a Pride flag on on his very limited social media presence, 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.600 right Yeah. And every time his granted had the chance, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.679 he's voted against rights. Yeah. He was raised in an 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:14.600 environment where hatred of LGBTQ people was not just like present, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:19.240 but was used as the justification regularly for like legislative action. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.400 And he was also raised in an environment where all 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.760 of the men around him would have praised violence in 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.640 different ways. And the fact that he wound up doing 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:32.520 violence against the queer community is not like surprising. Yeah, 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.760 yeah was it? His dad also like an m M. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:39.520 A fighter, yes, UFC, UFC whatever, some yes, some sort 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.840 of combat sport. He's also in a bunch of playing movies, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.240 a lot of poor movies, because I think a lot 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.160 of things were normalized that we're just like, maybe not 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.280 for other people. Yeah, that is a man who has 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.040 no barrier between the two sides of his nose due 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.840 to a lifetime of snorting every single uh chemical he 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.280 can possibly get his hands on. Um not if there's 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:05.080 anything wrong with that. Yeah, his dad doesn't seem to 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:09.640 be like entirely lucid into um. Well. And the other 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.000 aspect of this is that the shooter in Colorado was 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.480 like a known figure as well. He wasn't. He wasn't 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.440 a nobody like people had. He did like a bomb 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.080 threat last year. There was off with the police where 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.920 he was in armor threatening to go out shooting. Yeah, 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.800 that's I was really I'm really hoping the conversation shifts 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.360 more towards him as a person, because I can only 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:38.560 blame the family so much, you know, I He's done 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.960 some terrible things, and I think that's getting glossed over 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.560 by the fact that he has people in his family 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.040 that are questionable. And I think the number one thing 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.920 we should be pointing out because I also don't believe 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.640 we should be focusing entirely on his specific actions. We 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.360 should be focusing on the fact that it would have 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.480 been incredibly easy to stop this guy. He was the 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.960 most obvious candidate for a mass shooting imaginable, um, and 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.920 nothing was done to stop this Like that's that Like 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:11.640 whiteness is very helpful when it comes to hate. But yeah, 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.040 and away with crime. And all of the time I've 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.960 been following mass shooters, I can't think of one that 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.960 more directly talked about wanting to do a mass shooting 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.360 in a way that was immediately obvious to all of 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.000 the law enforcement in this area and had already forced 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.800 a response from them. There was absolutely and and again 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.200 for talking about his gun control always comes up in 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.560 this Colorado has red flag laws, like Colorado has the 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.800 restrictions people say should be but the problem is that 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:42.760 none of them were actually used against him, um anyway, 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.880 And I think comes back to like again, the problem, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.040 like one of the largest problems again with gun regulation 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.400 is that you you're relying on the police to enforce. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.280 And the cops believe of the same ship that this 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:01.360 guy does, so you know, yeah, they great again, letting 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.600 these people come to pride like this, this is gonna great, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.200 go great for you. They just assumed he was an 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.400 excitable boy and it was gonna be you know. He 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.720 just needed to get it out of the system. That time, 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.800 he had a standoff with the police over a bomb 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.000 threat where he talked to his mom about wanting to 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:23.640 go out as a mass shooter like most young men haven't. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.480 should we should we take a break? Do you know 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:33.240 what else? Nopey, Nope, he's just to break. Yeah, do 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:48.000 some insulin. We're back. I hope everyone took insulin um everybody. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:53.720 It'll I don't know what it'll do. Look very hungry, 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.800 sleepy and hungry, pilled, look, James. As a podcaster, it's 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.040 my job to tell people to take medicine, not to 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.960 have any responsibility for what happens when they do. Well, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.680 I'm just gonna go fly up to Canada and get 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.680 some free insulin and then come back smuggle it down 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:15.080 that Actually, yeah, yeah, maybe consider just have them fill 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.600 up your car. What are were we talking about? Next, 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.320 So I want to I want to talk a bit 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.920 about the reaction to this on the right, because this 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.200 is something okay. So like the far right's reaction to 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:33.600 mass shootings has never been good, Like it's usually been like, oh, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.360 this is this is still unfortunate that it happens mental illness, 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.320 This is like the pail or something like. They are 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.520 just pretty okay. So here's the thing. When I originally 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.080 did this, right, I had a timpool tweet that I 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.720 had pulled, and then he made like every successive time 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:50.600 we were about to record this episode he had he 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.240 makes another even worst. So here here is here is 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.480 the most recently. First, I do want to we have to. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.240 One of the things I want to try to keep 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.280 in mind is we are more online than a decent 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.320 chunk of our audience. Tim Poole is a guy who 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:10.680 attained prominence UH live streaming during the Occupy Wall Street rallies. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.840 He kind of framed himself as a broadly progressive kind 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.399 of liberal UH journalists. But he's like a skateboarder and 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.520 he's doing ship you know, he's live streaming a lot. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.960 He's doing you know, experimenting with all these like novel 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.760 ways of covering the news at the time. You know, 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.280 we're talking like two thousand twelve. Um. Obviously, people since 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:29.800 then have pointed out that, like he was kind of 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:35.679 a giant dick it occupied were there who him? Yes, yes, 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.919 he he had a big platform. As a result of that, 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.160 he got hired by Vice for a little while. Um. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.800 Most serious journalists who have worked with him will point 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.840 out that, like he's a giant asshole and like kind 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.240 of not good at anything, and it's not very smart, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.760 doesn't really know what's going or deliberately obtuse. I've heard 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:01.560 people like anyway, Uh, he gained prominence as he kind 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.480 of increasingly through the Trump years would lean in on 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.159 hard right stuff while still claiming to be liberal and progressive, 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.240 and just that he was increasingly lost by the progressives 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:16.040 who have gotten too far. Anyway, he's just gone so 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.240 that he's he has a huge audience. He does a 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.760 lot of like live streaming. So the primary way that 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.879 like when I say that he used to do live 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.640 streaming where he would show up at a thing. He's rich. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.800 Now he doesn't leave his his house in Maryland. He 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.119 sits there and he like plays clips from the news 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.960 and articles written by other people and then talks about 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:40.200 them really usually wrong poor commentary on it and has 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.840 millions and millions of followers, and it is constantly and 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.680 continues to platform people who are self described fascists, uh, 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:53.000 far right people. Um, he's kind of he's like a 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:57.840 he's like a vector point in that whole. He's very large, 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:03.920 he's fairly influential within the social media algorithm of particularly Twitter. Um, 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.399 he's able like his his he's able to get ship 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.119 trending a lot on Twitter. So he's not someone you 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.640 can entirely ignore. He has it. He has an impact 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:15.080 on like national discourse, and he's a lot of people 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.359 on the right see him as a valuable person. He's 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.159 had Alex Jones on he's hanging out with Kanye and 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.280 Nick Fuintes now, which is what we're about to talk about. 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.199 But the thing since, uh, since the Colorado Spring shooting, 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.240 he's gone kind of completely mask off about the groomery thing, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.040 and most of his comments have been along the lines 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.760 of like, well, these people were hosting a groomer event 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.159 and so violence was inevitable. Yeah, And I mean like 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:37.879 like what what like that's something I mean, I'm just 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:39.679 gonna read on of those tweets to give like that 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.840 that's that's not an exaggeration or any kind of reading 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.720 of subtext. Literally what he said was quote. It seems 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.400 around ten pm, Club que posted that they were having 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.720 an all ages drag show the next day. About two 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.679 hours later, the shooter came in. People keep calling for 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.960 wood chippers, and this is what happens, like open like 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:57.760 and this has been a big thing across the entire right, 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.639 like they're just there's openly either like very very openly 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.919 celebrating this or you get you know, like this is 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:05.800 one of like one of the things that it's inevitable 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.480 because the gays are so degenerated, Like Jimmy fucking Door 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:14.359 has gone like just completely like like I literally started 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:15.840 with like it started this thing on this with a 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.040 giant rant about how like how like disgusting it is 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:20.960 that like drag queens around kids. It's like they they 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:26.000 are just openly into full scale just openly into the 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.320 like we need to get these people killed. This is 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:35.080 in some ways the most horrifying instant like this because 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.879 this is the first time that the reaction widely on 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.760 the right has been either this was a good thing, 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.359 or this was this this obviously was going to happen 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.600 because gay people are evil and are grooming children, so 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.000 violence has to happen against them, and like that is 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:56.800 that was That's such a popular sentiment on the right 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.440 in the aftermath at the shooting, whether it's whether it's 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:03.360 imply and whispered or whether it's just said completely outright, 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.359 Like it was a very clear consensus that this is 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.400 what the Republican reaction was going to be, and anyone 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.080 farther right of the Republicans like it. It wasn't it 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.960 wasn't even just like a Nazi talking point. It was 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:19.200 just like regular Republicans in office, we're talking about this, 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.080 this style of rhetoric in response to the shooting. And 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.040 for that reason, it's kind of the most horrifying instant 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:31.080 we've had, um because you know, like in the aftermath 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.320 of like the Pulse shooting, we did not have a 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.000 rhetoric like this mainstream in the way that it is 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.760 happening for the Club Q shooting. It was a very 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.440 very different response to the to the Pulse shooting. Also 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:47.119 probably because the shooter there wasn't white, um, so they 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:52.720 had yeah, they'd be like No, the problem here was immigration, right, 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.800 and no for this, like he's like, he is obviously 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.159 a white dude. Um, his lawyers are pulling bullshit to 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:03.040 get his crime charges pulled, but like it's obviously it's 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:07.720 it's obviously this white guy and the right responses. Yeah, 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.639 he was probably justified in doing what he did. And 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.840 I feel like they're setting him up to be the 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.600 next Kyle Rittenhouse, where like he's just gonna become like 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.240 this kid celebrity that killed I don't know if we're 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:23.080 there yet. Yeah, partly because he got the ship kicked 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:27.679 out of him. Um, but I thinks no, not by police, 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:31.639