Speaker 1: Bye, could happen here? I don't know why I did
Speaker 1: that voice. I'm Robert Evans, host of a podcast that
Speaker 1: has many other hosts who all are on the podcast
Speaker 1: right now. We have, in order of them being on
Speaker 1: my zoom screen, Chris Garrison, Sharene and James. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: how's it going? Good? Great? We brought the full crew
Speaker 1: in to talk about the worst ship. So yeah, a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of kind of had a lot of great
Speaker 1: things have happened the past week, So we took We
Speaker 1: took last week mostly off from work due to a
Speaker 1: series of court cases. UM and uh, thanks to an injunction,
Speaker 1: we're allowed to podcast again. So I figured it would
Speaker 1: be we had a couple of I mean, defying stories
Speaker 1: break in a row, UM that we, as the people
Speaker 1: we are, kind of had specific bits of insight on
Speaker 1: that I think might help, uh catch our listeners up
Speaker 1: to some maybe underappreciated aspects of some of the big
Speaker 1: stories of the last week. So we wanted to start
Speaker 1: with the mass shooting in Colorado Springs, UM, specifically talking
Speaker 1: about the family of the still alleged but you know,
Speaker 1: definitely did it shooter. James, you want to kick us
Speaker 1: off there. Yeah, I wanted to start out with this
Speaker 1: um so that the alleged shooter it is called Anderson
Speaker 1: Ley old Rich, right and comes from a an LDS
Speaker 1: last today sat family in San Diego, And like I
Speaker 1: think everyone has probably seen this very viral thirty second
Speaker 1: clip of his father that went around Twitter and would
Speaker 1: be to day after the shooting, and his dad, just
Speaker 1: so we're super clear on this sense some disgusting things
Speaker 1: and there's a piece of ship for saying them. I
Speaker 1: don't want to excuse any of the ship, he said.
Speaker 1: I also don't want to excuse the way that that
Speaker 1: was cut because I think it was pretty pretty shitty.
Speaker 1: Like there are people we should be really fucking angry at,
Speaker 1: and his father is one of them. But his father
Speaker 1: didn't excuse the shooting. And if you look at that
Speaker 1: eight minute interview, he says that like what happened was wrong, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And there are people who have excused the shooting, right,
Speaker 1: Like I think Chris is going to speak some of them,
Speaker 1: Temple Tucker, Carlson, people who created a climate where this
Speaker 1: happened and have asked for it to happen again and
Speaker 1: are asking continually for it to happen again, his dad
Speaker 1: didn't do that. Again his dad, his dad doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to have been a great dad, right, his dad was
Speaker 1: was like using when he was a kid. His dad
Speaker 1: was abusive, and what is his violence? I think we
Speaker 1: all know lots of people who were raised in those
Speaker 1: climates who didn't go on to shoot up a nightclub.
Speaker 1: And it just kind of I saw something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was upset by the response to that in a
Speaker 1: sense because like I know some any people who come
Speaker 1: from from families and homes like that, and I like
Speaker 1: being like, oh, he was doomed to be this way
Speaker 1: because of how his dad was, just like, isn't I
Speaker 1: don't know. It just upset me. It's not the response
Speaker 1: we need, you know, Like I think we should hold
Speaker 1: like hold what his dad said, like hold his dad
Speaker 1: to account of what he said, but also not like
Speaker 1: allow that to explain. Yes, I have a couple I like,
Speaker 1: I have confused feelings on it because his dad does
Speaker 1: go into a long thing where he says, you know,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't there's nothing that justifies violence. You know, these
Speaker 1: people's lives were precious. All lives are precious. But he
Speaker 1: also was like I taught him that violence was a
Speaker 1: great way to solve problems. UM, and you know, expresses
Speaker 1: that he was glad to learn that his son wasn't gay,
Speaker 1: And I don't just up, Yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, I don't know how much I want to
Speaker 1: like interpret that as he really meant what he said
Speaker 1: about nothing justifying this in those people's lives being precious
Speaker 1: because they is kind of this thing that like you
Speaker 1: get on the And this guy is obviously not a
Speaker 1: thought leader on the Christian right, not like he's not
Speaker 1: like a luminary. I don't think he contributed outside of,
Speaker 1: you know, the things he may have raised his son
Speaker 1: to believe, to the broader national climate of of hate.
Speaker 1: Right now, there's just a study that was released today
Speaker 1: that UM from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data
Speaker 1: Project Data confirms that anti LGBT mobilization is now the
Speaker 1: leading driver or a fire right protest activity in the US. Obviously,
Speaker 1: this guy didn't make that happen, UM, But I noticed
Speaker 1: a similarity between like the I there's nothing worse than
Speaker 1: my kid being gay, but also when a bad thing
Speaker 1: gets done by a Christian to gay people, well, their
Speaker 1: lives are still precious. We just like hate what they
Speaker 1: how they live them. Um, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how where to where to go further with that,
Speaker 1: but you're right that like that, the thirty second clip
Speaker 1: is very dishonestly edited in order to like, um cut
Speaker 1: out a lot of what this guy was saying, which
Speaker 1: I have a problem with regardless of who you're doing
Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, it's just it's bad journalism. And like
Speaker 1: I would rather we point out rage at the people
Speaker 1: who are going to make this happen again unless we
Speaker 1: stop them. Yeah, like this guy, I'm this guy had
Speaker 1: the degree to which this guy contributed to this massacre
Speaker 1: by being this dude's dad. Um, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anyone else he's going to push into killing if if
Speaker 1: he indeed did that, whereas people like Tim Poole are
Speaker 1: going to continue to do that. And also I do
Speaker 1: want to say, like, like the Mormon Church does not
Speaker 1: get a pass for this. Yeah, like that No, absolute
Speaker 1: believably fucking homophobic, Like absolutely, he's a ship super racist.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and you know a lot of people really
Speaker 1: haven't been talking about this, and they should because they
Speaker 1: fucking suck. And Yeah, this is this is you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it turns out when you have a bunch of people
Speaker 1: like giving sermons about fucking musket balls, like this is
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, you know they don't they don't get
Speaker 1: off the hook for this either. No, and they're like
Speaker 1: domination of politics in some areas. He really needs to
Speaker 1: be seriously looked at. Talking of like domination of politics.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about his grandfather a little bit,
Speaker 1: because his grandfather is bonkers. So his grandfather is called
Speaker 1: Randy Vocal Uh might be pronounced verpal Um, but he's
Speaker 1: He was mayor of Santi. So Santi is a town
Speaker 1: east of San Diego. It's not not very far east.
Speaker 1: I think Sharina probably familiar with Santie, right, Yeah, Santi
Speaker 1: is a place that's that's about ye about it. People
Speaker 1: sometimes called it planned. He definitely like Metzka was there
Speaker 1: for a while, right, And yeah, when Vopal was mayor
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, there was a school shooting
Speaker 1: in Santi about which he spoke. He hasn't spoken about
Speaker 1: this one yet at all. He's he's heal, Yeah, strange,
Speaker 1: that strange. He's pretty much gone, which is not like
Speaker 1: it when this guy speaks, he he rarely helps himself
Speaker 1: when when he speaks to media who don't agree with
Speaker 1: every position he's on. So I like, I want to
Speaker 1: ground like. He became mayor of Santi in two thousand.
Speaker 1: In a black marine by the name of Carlos Colbert,
Speaker 1: who was a large corporal in the Marine Corps, was
Speaker 1: beaten and paralyzed by five white men at Memorial Day
Speaker 1: party in Santy like and that doesn't represent the whole town,
Speaker 1: but that was how people thought of that town. And
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, right the place it was
Speaker 1: always a place to avoid, Like you don't really want
Speaker 1: to go there? I don't know. Yeah, I have friends
Speaker 1: who still don't want to go to Santi like. Um,
Speaker 1: I have friends who are like delivery drivers who are
Speaker 1: like black people who have been told like they used
Speaker 1: to not saying black folks deliver into Santi Like. It
Speaker 1: definitely has whether or not that's the case now it's
Speaker 1: becoming more more diverse, I think, like ethnically, but it
Speaker 1: certainly has a reputation of being a place where it's
Speaker 1: not safe. And this is a place that elects him
Speaker 1: as mayor in two thousand, right Joust in one they
Speaker 1: have a high school shooting, and he just kind of
Speaker 1: continues to spout some absolutely crazy stuff. It's probably worth
Speaker 1: noting that he's not as like far from the like
Speaker 1: the norm of the GOP, which is still a long
Speaker 1: way from like good when it comes to like LGBTQ stuff,
Speaker 1: as he is for other things like his His probably
Speaker 1: his most famous crazy position is that climate change is
Speaker 1: good because most of our enemies live in I'm quoting now,
Speaker 1: most of our enemies live in hot climates, desert climates.
Speaker 1: It will probably have a negative effect on their environment.
Speaker 1: Most of the Muslim nations are in hot areas of
Speaker 1: the world. Honestly, Yeah, just absolutely incredible. We did we did?
Speaker 1: We find the world's first pro eco fascist fascist. I
Speaker 1: have met a few anti there's people who are pro
Speaker 1: climate change because it wization, but this is this is
Speaker 1: like a whole other level. Well, there's dry us out weird.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know why he thinks this climate
Speaker 1: change happens? Please God. I believe about one percent of
Speaker 1: climate change is impacted by human beings. The rest of
Speaker 1: that should not rest in rest body. It's solar cycles, quote,
Speaker 1: the natural wobbling of the Earth and volcanic activities. Ah,
Speaker 1: this is this is the classic. Yeah, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 1: a couple of good ones. I personally partial to. We
Speaker 1: didn't have enough CEO two and climate change is the
Speaker 1: only thing that's going to save us from the CEO
Speaker 1: to shortage that. Yeah. Notable. Other vocal bangers include I'm
Speaker 1: getting attacks out here by the Vietcong stealing my copper,
Speaker 1: and I don't like it that. It would be super
Speaker 1: funny if it turned out that the Vietcong had sent
Speaker 1: like a deep cover special spec opsy in it to
Speaker 1: California just to funk with this guy's copper. Just good, Um,
Speaker 1: he's just he's just a yeah, just a powerful example
Speaker 1: of what happened if you lick lead paint, Like just
Speaker 1: an incredible boomer. So he was voted out in by
Speaker 1: a considerable marche I think got about sorry this this
Speaker 1: so he's serving out. He just got voted out. Yeah. Years.
Speaker 1: How many he moved in? I think sixteen he moved
Speaker 1: into the California Assembly, so representing like this this master yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: statewide office. This is the on the left coast California.
Speaker 1: It is It means one thing to people who have
Speaker 1: never been to the West Coast. But have you been
Speaker 1: to the West coast the conservative parts of California like
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. They're massive, and the Republican Party has
Speaker 1: absolutely locked in control. It is very difficult to remove
Speaker 1: to move them in places like there's there's more Republican
Speaker 1: voters in California than most states than most states. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want a slice of like eastern California, just
Speaker 1: check out Riverside County share with Chad Bianco's Instagram, where
Speaker 1: he mostly just rides around on a horse and criticizes
Speaker 1: COVID restricts. But yeah, this is yeah, it's really something
Speaker 1: incredible poster. But this is I think an insight into
Speaker 1: like this side of California, the people. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that everyone who lives in the county. Of course he's
Speaker 1: bigoted or racist, Like there are lots of very nice
Speaker 1: kind people in his county. I know there are some
Speaker 1: anarchist communites out there, but um, yeah, this vocal claim.
Speaker 1: He hasn't spoken to his grandson for years. But this
Speaker 1: guy has been spouting this ship for twenty years, right,
Speaker 1: Like he became there of Santi in two thousand. That
Speaker 1: was when this shooter Old Rich was born so like
Speaker 1: for his entire life, Vocal has been saying stuff like
Speaker 1: the conga stealing my copper. I mean it is it
Speaker 1: is true that this this person did grow up surrounded
Speaker 1: by a constant bubble of of homophobic rhetoric, dehumanizing rhetoric,
Speaker 1: and that that does shape the person that you are. Obviously,
Speaker 1: that doesn't it doesn't mean you're going to go do
Speaker 1: the best shooting. Theres lots of people who grew up
Speaker 1: in those environments who turn out to be very wonderful people. Um,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, that is definitely like the environment that
Speaker 1: you're raised in and around obviously doesn't obviously affects who
Speaker 1: you're gonna be. And this the shooters posting like burning
Speaker 1: a Pride flag on on his very limited social media presence,
Speaker 1: right Yeah. And every time his granted had the chance,
Speaker 1: he's voted against rights. Yeah. He was raised in an
Speaker 1: environment where hatred of LGBTQ people was not just like present,
Speaker 1: but was used as the justification regularly for like legislative action.
Speaker 1: And he was also raised in an environment where all
Speaker 1: of the men around him would have praised violence in
Speaker 1: different ways. And the fact that he wound up doing
Speaker 1: violence against the queer community is not like surprising. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah was it? His dad also like an m M.
Speaker 1: A fighter, yes, UFC, UFC whatever, some yes, some sort
Speaker 1: of combat sport. He's also in a bunch of playing movies,
Speaker 1: a lot of poor movies, because I think a lot
Speaker 1: of things were normalized that we're just like, maybe not
Speaker 1: for other people. Yeah, that is a man who has
Speaker 1: no barrier between the two sides of his nose due
Speaker 1: to a lifetime of snorting every single uh chemical he
Speaker 1: can possibly get his hands on. Um not if there's
Speaker 1: anything wrong with that. Yeah, his dad doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be like entirely lucid into um. Well. And the other
Speaker 1: aspect of this is that the shooter in Colorado was
Speaker 1: like a known figure as well. He wasn't. He wasn't
Speaker 1: a nobody like people had. He did like a bomb
Speaker 1: threat last year. There was off with the police where
Speaker 1: he was in armor threatening to go out shooting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I was really I'm really hoping the conversation shifts
Speaker 1: more towards him as a person, because I can only
Speaker 1: blame the family so much, you know, I He's done
Speaker 1: some terrible things, and I think that's getting glossed over
Speaker 1: by the fact that he has people in his family
Speaker 1: that are questionable. And I think the number one thing
Speaker 1: we should be pointing out because I also don't believe
Speaker 1: we should be focusing entirely on his specific actions. We
Speaker 1: should be focusing on the fact that it would have
Speaker 1: been incredibly easy to stop this guy. He was the
Speaker 1: most obvious candidate for a mass shooting imaginable, um, and
Speaker 1: nothing was done to stop this Like that's that Like
Speaker 1: whiteness is very helpful when it comes to hate. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and away with crime. And all of the time I've
Speaker 1: been following mass shooters, I can't think of one that
Speaker 1: more directly talked about wanting to do a mass shooting
Speaker 1: in a way that was immediately obvious to all of
Speaker 1: the law enforcement in this area and had already forced
Speaker 1: a response from them. There was absolutely and and again
Speaker 1: for talking about his gun control always comes up in
Speaker 1: this Colorado has red flag laws, like Colorado has the
Speaker 1: restrictions people say should be but the problem is that
Speaker 1: none of them were actually used against him, um anyway,
Speaker 1: And I think comes back to like again, the problem,
Speaker 1: like one of the largest problems again with gun regulation
Speaker 1: is that you you're relying on the police to enforce.
Speaker 1: And the cops believe of the same ship that this
Speaker 1: guy does, so you know, yeah, they great again, letting
Speaker 1: these people come to pride like this, this is gonna great,
Speaker 1: go great for you. They just assumed he was an
Speaker 1: excitable boy and it was gonna be you know. He
Speaker 1: just needed to get it out of the system. That time,
Speaker 1: he had a standoff with the police over a bomb
Speaker 1: threat where he talked to his mom about wanting to
Speaker 1: go out as a mass shooter like most young men haven't. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: should we should we take a break? Do you know
Speaker 1: what else? Nopey, Nope, he's just to break. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: some insulin. We're back. I hope everyone took insulin um everybody.
Speaker 1: It'll I don't know what it'll do. Look very hungry,
Speaker 1: sleepy and hungry, pilled, look, James. As a podcaster, it's
Speaker 1: my job to tell people to take medicine, not to
Speaker 1: have any responsibility for what happens when they do. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go fly up to Canada and get
Speaker 1: some free insulin and then come back smuggle it down
Speaker 1: that Actually, yeah, yeah, maybe consider just have them fill
Speaker 1: up your car. What are were we talking about? Next,
Speaker 1: So I want to I want to talk a bit
Speaker 1: about the reaction to this on the right, because this
Speaker 1: is something okay. So like the far right's reaction to
Speaker 1: mass shootings has never been good, Like it's usually been like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is still unfortunate that it happens mental illness,
Speaker 1: This is like the pail or something like. They are
Speaker 1: just pretty okay. So here's the thing. When I originally
Speaker 1: did this, right, I had a timpool tweet that I
Speaker 1: had pulled, and then he made like every successive time
Speaker 1: we were about to record this episode he had he
Speaker 1: makes another even worst. So here here is here is
Speaker 1: the most recently. First, I do want to we have to.
Speaker 1: One of the things I want to try to keep
Speaker 1: in mind is we are more online than a decent
Speaker 1: chunk of our audience. Tim Poole is a guy who
Speaker 1: attained prominence UH live streaming during the Occupy Wall Street rallies.
Speaker 1: He kind of framed himself as a broadly progressive kind
Speaker 1: of liberal UH journalists. But he's like a skateboarder and
Speaker 1: he's doing ship you know, he's live streaming a lot.
Speaker 1: He's doing you know, experimenting with all these like novel
Speaker 1: ways of covering the news at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking like two thousand twelve. Um. Obviously, people since
Speaker 1: then have pointed out that, like he was kind of
Speaker 1: a giant dick it occupied were there who him? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he he had a big platform. As a result of that,
Speaker 1: he got hired by Vice for a little while. Um.
Speaker 1: Most serious journalists who have worked with him will point
Speaker 1: out that, like he's a giant asshole and like kind
Speaker 1: of not good at anything, and it's not very smart,
Speaker 1: doesn't really know what's going or deliberately obtuse. I've heard
Speaker 1: people like anyway, Uh, he gained prominence as he kind
Speaker 1: of increasingly through the Trump years would lean in on
Speaker 1: hard right stuff while still claiming to be liberal and progressive,
Speaker 1: and just that he was increasingly lost by the progressives
Speaker 1: who have gotten too far. Anyway, he's just gone so
Speaker 1: that he's he has a huge audience. He does a
Speaker 1: lot of like live streaming. So the primary way that
Speaker 1: like when I say that he used to do live
Speaker 1: streaming where he would show up at a thing. He's rich.
Speaker 1: Now he doesn't leave his his house in Maryland. He
Speaker 1: sits there and he like plays clips from the news
Speaker 1: and articles written by other people and then talks about
Speaker 1: them really usually wrong poor commentary on it and has
Speaker 1: millions and millions of followers, and it is constantly and
Speaker 1: continues to platform people who are self described fascists, uh,
Speaker 1: far right people. Um, he's kind of he's like a
Speaker 1: he's like a vector point in that whole. He's very large,
Speaker 1: he's fairly influential within the social media algorithm of particularly Twitter. Um,
Speaker 1: he's able like his his he's able to get ship
Speaker 1: trending a lot on Twitter. So he's not someone you
Speaker 1: can entirely ignore. He has it. He has an impact
Speaker 1: on like national discourse, and he's a lot of people
Speaker 1: on the right see him as a valuable person. He's
Speaker 1: had Alex Jones on he's hanging out with Kanye and
Speaker 1: Nick Fuintes now, which is what we're about to talk about.
Speaker 1: But the thing since, uh, since the Colorado Spring shooting,
Speaker 1: he's gone kind of completely mask off about the groomery thing,
Speaker 1: and most of his comments have been along the lines
Speaker 1: of like, well, these people were hosting a groomer event
Speaker 1: and so violence was inevitable. Yeah, And I mean like
Speaker 1: like what what like that's something I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna read on of those tweets to give like that
Speaker 1: that's that's not an exaggeration or any kind of reading
Speaker 1: of subtext. Literally what he said was quote. It seems
Speaker 1: around ten pm, Club que posted that they were having
Speaker 1: an all ages drag show the next day. About two
Speaker 1: hours later, the shooter came in. People keep calling for
Speaker 1: wood chippers, and this is what happens, like open like
Speaker 1: and this has been a big thing across the entire right,
Speaker 1: like they're just there's openly either like very very openly
Speaker 1: celebrating this or you get you know, like this is
Speaker 1: one of like one of the things that it's inevitable
Speaker 1: because the gays are so degenerated, Like Jimmy fucking Door
Speaker 1: has gone like just completely like like I literally started
Speaker 1: with like it started this thing on this with a
Speaker 1: giant rant about how like how like disgusting it is
Speaker 1: that like drag queens around kids. It's like they they
Speaker 1: are just openly into full scale just openly into the
Speaker 1: like we need to get these people killed. This is
Speaker 1: in some ways the most horrifying instant like this because
Speaker 1: this is the first time that the reaction widely on
Speaker 1: the right has been either this was a good thing,
Speaker 1: or this was this this obviously was going to happen
Speaker 1: because gay people are evil and are grooming children, so
Speaker 1: violence has to happen against them, and like that is
Speaker 1: that was That's such a popular sentiment on the right
Speaker 1: in the aftermath at the shooting, whether it's whether it's
Speaker 1: imply and whispered or whether it's just said completely outright,
Speaker 1: Like it was a very clear consensus that this is
Speaker 1: what the Republican reaction was going to be, and anyone
Speaker 1: farther right of the Republicans like it. It wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't even just like a Nazi talking point. It was
Speaker 1: just like regular Republicans in office, we're talking about this,
Speaker 1: this style of rhetoric in response to the shooting. And
Speaker 1: for that reason, it's kind of the most horrifying instant
Speaker 1: we've had, um because you know, like in the aftermath
Speaker 1: of like the Pulse shooting, we did not have a
Speaker 1: rhetoric like this mainstream in the way that it is
Speaker 1: happening for the Club Q shooting. It was a very
Speaker 1: very different response to the to the Pulse shooting. Also
Speaker 1: probably because the shooter there wasn't white, um, so they
Speaker 1: had yeah, they'd be like No, the problem here was immigration, right,
Speaker 1: and no for this, like he's like, he is obviously
Speaker 1: a white dude. Um, his lawyers are pulling bullshit to
Speaker 1: get his crime charges pulled, but like it's obviously it's
Speaker 1: it's obviously this white guy and the right responses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was probably justified in doing what he did. And
Speaker 1: I feel like they're setting him up to be the
Speaker 1: next Kyle Rittenhouse, where like he's just gonna become like
Speaker 1: this kid celebrity that killed I don't know if we're
Speaker 1: there yet. Yeah, partly because he got the ship kicked
Speaker 1: out of him. Um, but I thinks no, not by police,
Speaker 1: by a translator. And yeah, I think you've made a
Speaker 1: good point there that like what they did get away
Speaker 1: with some ship with car Rittenhouse, that like I think
Speaker 1: they would not have pulled even five years before that,
Speaker 1: Like I think you wouldn't have found in people being
Speaker 1: like yeah he shot people in the street and this
Speaker 1: is good fuck them, And it is like the slippery
Speaker 1: slipt fallacy isn't always a fallacy, but like you know,
Speaker 1: once you start there, I don't think it's a massive
Speaker 1: leap to being like, yeah, this kid shot queer people
Speaker 1: in the nightclub and that's what they had coming. Like,
Speaker 1: even if they don't make him a hero, Like I
Speaker 1: do think that that like the Overton window moved with
Speaker 1: Written House, and it's moving again with this bill fucker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's slightly too toxic to to to go
Speaker 1: through that same celebrity status that Written Houses. Um. He
Speaker 1: also I can't speak. I think he's been like in
Speaker 1: his court appearances, he's like not. I think he's got
Speaker 1: beaten very badly to ship. Which the thing the thing
Speaker 1: that scares me as like a potential Written House event,
Speaker 1: but kind of in the in the anti were mass
Speaker 1: shooter vibe is like you have some father or something
Speaker 1: who's separated from the kid and their other parent takes
Speaker 1: them to a drag queen event and dad shows up
Speaker 1: and start shooting, and like that's a thing that's a
Speaker 1: lot of easier to get the right to pile on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the instance where that person now becomes a
Speaker 1: cultural figure in his way. That's more similar to what
Speaker 1: has happened with Written House. Um. And that just is
Speaker 1: like the hell scenario. And I think the other important
Speaker 1: thing is like they're deliberately trying to incite this like
Speaker 1: this is this is deliberate and like and this there's
Speaker 1: an interesting thing like Nick Flints had this interviewing. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is partially just this is just who fucking Nick
Speaker 1: Flints is. We had this thing after the election where
Speaker 1: he was like, uh, well, I'm like we we can
Speaker 1: we we we we like we we can't. We can't
Speaker 1: take power by like like we we we can't actually
Speaker 1: get our agenda up by voting. We have to do
Speaker 1: it by like theocratic fascism, right, and and I you know, okay,
Speaker 1: so obviously this is Nick Flints, but I think this
Speaker 1: is part of what's happening right now, which is that
Speaker 1: the reason that they're doing this, right, the reason that
Speaker 1: right now, the thing that they're trying to do was
Speaker 1: inside a jetocide is because they're fucking losing everything. They
Speaker 1: know it, right. Every single day church attendance drops. It's
Speaker 1: been dropping for twenty years. It's never coming back, like
Speaker 1: nine eleven didn't do it, like Trump didn't do it. Nothing,
Speaker 1: Nothing is ever going to bring people back to these churches,
Speaker 1: like unless maybe they solve their sexual assault problem. But
Speaker 1: that's not like they structurally can't do that, right, So
Speaker 1: you know, every single day. Religiosity drop in this country
Speaker 1: every single like every single day, very slowly, and we
Speaker 1: have been doing this roughly for about fifteen years. Now
Speaker 1: we are winning. And this is what they're fucking terrified of, right,
Speaker 1: they have to move right now, like exactly in this
Speaker 1: moment is the is the moment they could exterminate us.
Speaker 1: If they wait any longer, they're fucked because they're you know,
Speaker 1: the base for this kind of sort of like like
Speaker 1: this specific kind of of Christian fascism isn't going to
Speaker 1: be there, like there will be other fascisms, but you know,
Speaker 1: every every every single day that they fucking wait, like
Speaker 1: another person leaves the church and so you know, like
Speaker 1: right now, and you know, and they can't do it electorally, right,
Speaker 1: We just saw that they got fucking destroyed trying to
Speaker 1: lean into the ship. Because and then this is the
Speaker 1: other thing, right, like the over thing that's been happening
Speaker 1: since the two thousands. And this is the thing that's
Speaker 1: very different about this moment than any other moment that
Speaker 1: has happened in US history is that the vast fast
Speaker 1: majority of people are are are pre pro crew wides,
Speaker 1: a prology BTQ, are pro game marriage game, marriage polls
Speaker 1: consistently in about right, and even with the ship that
Speaker 1: that hasn't moved in needle on it, right, they know
Speaker 1: that they have to right now, right, they have to
Speaker 1: kill us. All they have left is this solely have left.
Speaker 1: They have they have no works action basically, like it's
Speaker 1: like and they see no other viable way to mainstream this.
Speaker 1: And that's why we have hours after the shooting, lives
Speaker 1: of tektok posting about queer events in Colorado, because they're
Speaker 1: they're trying to get this thing to happen. They're trying
Speaker 1: to do more, trying to press the attack. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but but but but I think I think I think
Speaker 1: this is this is like the only thing, like this
Speaker 1: is a sign of their weakness, right, And and they're
Speaker 1: like again, like the number, the physical number of people
Speaker 1: who are pushing this ship is not that large, right,
Speaker 1: and and you know again like this is this is
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've I've talked a lot about how
Speaker 1: the silent majority in this country doesn't agree with this
Speaker 1: ship and like they're literally are not that fucking many
Speaker 1: of them. We can stop them, Like this is a
Speaker 1: natural thing, Like you know, like there there there there's
Speaker 1: a limit to which we can even sort of talk
Speaker 1: about this. But like, okay, we've been doing community self
Speaker 1: defense like as as sort of like the big principle
Speaker 1: of the left sense of Trump era. We have reached
Speaker 1: a point where, like, you know, we can defend ourselves,
Speaker 1: but if well, if we're limited to just defending ourselves,
Speaker 1: they're going to kill a bunch of us first. And
Speaker 1: that means that we, like we actually have to start
Speaker 1: taking the fight to these media platforms where we have
Speaker 1: to start taking the fight specifically trying to get these
Speaker 1: people sucking off air and then you know, failing that,
Speaker 1: like fucking showing up and like blowing a fucking air
Speaker 1: horn and try a right checks like ear every single
Speaker 1: time she leaves her house. Right, because all of all
Speaker 1: of these people sucking, their entire lives depend on our labor. Right,
Speaker 1: Every single fucking uber they take, every single deal they eat,
Speaker 1: is all prepared by us. And you know, we can
Speaker 1: fucking find them, and we can we can make their
Speaker 1: lives fucking hell if this is what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: to us. Garrison, do you want to do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about focus on the family. It looks and Colorado, Oh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was speaking of the kind of direct action. Chris
Speaker 1: was talking about showing up where these people are and
Speaker 1: making it very clear that they don't get to pretend
Speaker 1: anymore to not be complicit in in murder. Um that
Speaker 1: that's a story. Yeah. Some some people did did show
Speaker 1: up at the Colorado Springs focus on the family headquarters.
Speaker 1: Um did a did a graffiti left some left some
Speaker 1: messages out front and posted a community ca of sorts.
Speaker 1: I think they called them debotic, which is pretty funny,
Speaker 1: remembering the message thing right, that is a weird place.
Speaker 1: It talked about how Satan can disguise himself as an
Speaker 1: angel light. That's that's talking about the types of like
Speaker 1: self righteousness that these Christian fascist groups put on and
Speaker 1: in but in effect they're all kind of murderous snakes. Um.
Speaker 1: That was people trying trying to use the Bible against
Speaker 1: these guys, which is funny in an ironic way. And
Speaker 1: I don't think they actually care because they don't actually care.
Speaker 1: I don't think they actually care what the Bible set about,
Speaker 1: what the Bible says they give a shit about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but showing but showing up and and and doing doing
Speaker 1: a little thing outside outside their headquarters is definitely a
Speaker 1: good first Stephen when me and James went there, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, like in terms of this is just an
Speaker 1: interesting an interesting comment, like police did not help at
Speaker 1: the club queue shooting at all. They came back towards
Speaker 1: and they held and they you know, as as they
Speaker 1: usually do. They'll they'll they arrest the person who who
Speaker 1: who helped who help stop the mast shooting. Um, when
Speaker 1: me and James went to the Focus on the Family
Speaker 1: headquarters last summer, um, there was a Colorado Police officer
Speaker 1: inside the building the entire time. Um constantly. They're mostly
Speaker 1: watching me because I was the obvious, obvious outcast inside there.
Speaker 1: But that police are stationed at Focus in the Family
Speaker 1: all the time to make sure nothing bad happens there.
Speaker 1: But they're not going to do ship to help queer
Speaker 1: people getting murdered. But they're gonna stay. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: a police car outside of the Focus in the Family
Speaker 1: building and have have an officer inside all the time
Speaker 1: because that's what the police actually do. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's like it is increasingly obvious if you have
Speaker 1: been paying any attention in the last decade, the only
Speaker 1: consequences that exists in this world as us, and you
Speaker 1: know it is in our hands to decide what the
Speaker 1: consequences for these people fucking attempting to inside a genocide are.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us here. It
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