1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Bye, could happen here? I don't know why I did 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: that voice. I'm Robert Evans, host of a podcast that 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: has many other hosts who all are on the podcast 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: right now. We have, in order of them being on 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: my zoom screen, Chris Garrison, Sharene and James. Hey, everybody, 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: how's it going? Good? Great? We brought the full crew 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: in to talk about the worst ship. So yeah, a 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: whole bunch of kind of had a lot of great 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: things have happened the past week, So we took We 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: took last week mostly off from work due to a 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: series of court cases. UM and uh, thanks to an injunction, 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: we're allowed to podcast again. So I figured it would 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: be we had a couple of I mean, defying stories 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: break in a row, UM that we, as the people 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: we are, kind of had specific bits of insight on 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: that I think might help, uh catch our listeners up 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: to some maybe underappreciated aspects of some of the big 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: stories of the last week. So we wanted to start 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: with the mass shooting in Colorado Springs, UM, specifically talking 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: about the family of the still alleged but you know, 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: definitely did it shooter. James, you want to kick us 22 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: off there. Yeah, I wanted to start out with this 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: um so that the alleged shooter it is called Anderson 24 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: Ley old Rich, right and comes from a an LDS 25 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: last today sat family in San Diego, And like I 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: think everyone has probably seen this very viral thirty second 27 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: clip of his father that went around Twitter and would 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: be to day after the shooting, and his dad, just 29 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: so we're super clear on this sense some disgusting things 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: and there's a piece of ship for saying them. I 31 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: don't want to excuse any of the ship, he said. 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: I also don't want to excuse the way that that 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: was cut because I think it was pretty pretty shitty. 34 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: Like there are people we should be really fucking angry at, 35 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: and his father is one of them. But his father 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: didn't excuse the shooting. And if you look at that 37 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: eight minute interview, he says that like what happened was wrong, etcetera, etcetera. 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: And there are people who have excused the shooting, right, 39 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: Like I think Chris is going to speak some of them, 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: Temple Tucker, Carlson, people who created a climate where this 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: happened and have asked for it to happen again and 42 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: are asking continually for it to happen again, his dad 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: didn't do that. Again his dad, his dad doesn't seem 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: to have been a great dad, right, his dad was 45 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: was like using when he was a kid. His dad 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: was abusive, and what is his violence? I think we 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: all know lots of people who were raised in those 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: climates who didn't go on to shoot up a nightclub. 49 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: And it just kind of I saw something. I don't know. 50 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: I was upset by the response to that in a 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: sense because like I know some any people who come 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: from from families and homes like that, and I like 53 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: being like, oh, he was doomed to be this way 54 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: because of how his dad was, just like, isn't I 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: don't know. It just upset me. It's not the response 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: we need, you know, Like I think we should hold 57 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: like hold what his dad said, like hold his dad 58 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: to account of what he said, but also not like 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: allow that to explain. Yes, I have a couple I like, 60 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: I have confused feelings on it because his dad does 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: go into a long thing where he says, you know, 62 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: you shouldn't there's nothing that justifies violence. You know, these 63 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: people's lives were precious. All lives are precious. But he 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: also was like I taught him that violence was a 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: great way to solve problems. UM, and you know, expresses 66 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: that he was glad to learn that his son wasn't gay, 67 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: And I don't just up, Yeah, I don't know, I 68 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: don't Yeah, I don't know how much I want to 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: like interpret that as he really meant what he said 70 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: about nothing justifying this in those people's lives being precious 71 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: because they is kind of this thing that like you 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: get on the And this guy is obviously not a 73 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: thought leader on the Christian right, not like he's not 74 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: like a luminary. I don't think he contributed outside of, 75 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, the things he may have raised his son 76 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: to believe, to the broader national climate of of hate. 77 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: Right now, there's just a study that was released today 78 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: that UM from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data 79 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: Project Data confirms that anti LGBT mobilization is now the 80 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: leading driver or a fire right protest activity in the US. Obviously, 81 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: this guy didn't make that happen, UM, But I noticed 82 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: a similarity between like the I there's nothing worse than 83 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: my kid being gay, but also when a bad thing 84 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: gets done by a Christian to gay people, well, their 85 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: lives are still precious. We just like hate what they 86 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: how they live them. Um, I don't know, I don't 87 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: know how where to where to go further with that, 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: but you're right that like that, the thirty second clip 89 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: is very dishonestly edited in order to like, um cut 90 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: out a lot of what this guy was saying, which 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: I have a problem with regardless of who you're doing 92 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, it's just it's bad journalism. And like 93 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: I would rather we point out rage at the people 94 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: who are going to make this happen again unless we 95 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: stop them. Yeah, like this guy, I'm this guy had 96 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: the degree to which this guy contributed to this massacre 97 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: by being this dude's dad. Um, I don't think there's 98 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: anyone else he's going to push into killing if if 99 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: he indeed did that, whereas people like Tim Poole are 100 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: going to continue to do that. And also I do 101 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: want to say, like, like the Mormon Church does not 102 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: get a pass for this. Yeah, like that No, absolute 103 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: believably fucking homophobic, Like absolutely, he's a ship super racist. 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: Like yeah, and you know a lot of people really 105 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: haven't been talking about this, and they should because they 106 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: fucking suck. And Yeah, this is this is you know, like, yeah, 107 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: it turns out when you have a bunch of people 108 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: like giving sermons about fucking musket balls, like this is 109 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, you know they don't they don't get 110 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: off the hook for this either. No, and they're like 111 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: domination of politics in some areas. He really needs to 112 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: be seriously looked at. Talking of like domination of politics. 113 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about his grandfather a little bit, 114 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: because his grandfather is bonkers. So his grandfather is called 115 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: Randy Vocal Uh might be pronounced verpal Um, but he's 116 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: He was mayor of Santi. So Santi is a town 117 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: east of San Diego. It's not not very far east. 118 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: I think Sharina probably familiar with Santie, right, Yeah, Santi 119 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: is a place that's that's about ye about it. People 120 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: sometimes called it planned. He definitely like Metzka was there 121 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: for a while, right, And yeah, when Vopal was mayor 122 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, there was a school shooting 123 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: in Santi about which he spoke. He hasn't spoken about 124 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: this one yet at all. He's he's heal, Yeah, strange, 125 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: that strange. He's pretty much gone, which is not like 126 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: it when this guy speaks, he he rarely helps himself 127 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: when when he speaks to media who don't agree with 128 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: every position he's on. So I like, I want to 129 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: ground like. He became mayor of Santi in two thousand. 130 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: In a black marine by the name of Carlos Colbert, 131 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: who was a large corporal in the Marine Corps, was 132 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: beaten and paralyzed by five white men at Memorial Day 133 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: party in Santy like and that doesn't represent the whole town, 134 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: but that was how people thought of that town. And 135 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, right the place it was 136 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: always a place to avoid, Like you don't really want 137 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: to go there? I don't know. Yeah, I have friends 138 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: who still don't want to go to Santi like. Um, 139 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: I have friends who are like delivery drivers who are 140 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: like black people who have been told like they used 141 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: to not saying black folks deliver into Santi Like. It 142 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: definitely has whether or not that's the case now it's 143 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: becoming more more diverse, I think, like ethnically, but it 144 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: certainly has a reputation of being a place where it's 145 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: not safe. And this is a place that elects him 146 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: as mayor in two thousand, right Joust in one they 147 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: have a high school shooting, and he just kind of 148 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: continues to spout some absolutely crazy stuff. It's probably worth 149 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: noting that he's not as like far from the like 150 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: the norm of the GOP, which is still a long 151 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: way from like good when it comes to like LGBTQ stuff, 152 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: as he is for other things like his His probably 153 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: his most famous crazy position is that climate change is 154 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: good because most of our enemies live in I'm quoting now, 155 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: most of our enemies live in hot climates, desert climates. 156 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: It will probably have a negative effect on their environment. 157 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: Most of the Muslim nations are in hot areas of 158 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: the world. Honestly, Yeah, just absolutely incredible. We did we did? 159 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: We find the world's first pro eco fascist fascist. I 160 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: have met a few anti there's people who are pro 161 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: climate change because it wization, but this is this is 162 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: like a whole other level. Well, there's dry us out weird. 163 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: Do you want to know why he thinks this climate 164 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: change happens? Please God. I believe about one percent of 165 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: climate change is impacted by human beings. The rest of 166 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: that should not rest in rest body. It's solar cycles, quote, 167 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: the natural wobbling of the Earth and volcanic activities. Ah, 168 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: this is this is the classic. Yeah, yeah, there's there's 169 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: a couple of good ones. I personally partial to. We 170 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: didn't have enough CEO two and climate change is the 171 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: only thing that's going to save us from the CEO 172 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: to shortage that. Yeah. Notable. Other vocal bangers include I'm 173 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: getting attacks out here by the Vietcong stealing my copper, 174 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: and I don't like it that. It would be super 175 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: funny if it turned out that the Vietcong had sent 176 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: like a deep cover special spec opsy in it to 177 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: California just to funk with this guy's copper. Just good, Um, 178 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: he's just he's just a yeah, just a powerful example 179 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: of what happened if you lick lead paint, Like just 180 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: an incredible boomer. So he was voted out in by 181 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: a considerable marche I think got about sorry this this 182 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: so he's serving out. He just got voted out. Yeah. Years. 183 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: How many he moved in? I think sixteen he moved 184 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: into the California Assembly, so representing like this this master yeah, yeah, 185 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: statewide office. This is the on the left coast California. 186 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: It is It means one thing to people who have 187 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: never been to the West Coast. But have you been 188 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: to the West coast the conservative parts of California like 189 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. They're massive, and the Republican Party has 190 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: absolutely locked in control. It is very difficult to remove 191 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,119 Speaker 1: to move them in places like there's there's more Republican 192 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: voters in California than most states than most states. Yes, yeah, 193 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: if you want a slice of like eastern California, just 194 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: check out Riverside County share with Chad Bianco's Instagram, where 195 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: he mostly just rides around on a horse and criticizes 196 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: COVID restricts. But yeah, this is yeah, it's really something 197 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: incredible poster. But this is I think an insight into 198 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: like this side of California, the people. It doesn't mean 199 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: that everyone who lives in the county. Of course he's 200 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: bigoted or racist, Like there are lots of very nice 201 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: kind people in his county. I know there are some 202 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: anarchist communites out there, but um, yeah, this vocal claim. 203 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: He hasn't spoken to his grandson for years. But this 204 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: guy has been spouting this ship for twenty years, right, 205 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: Like he became there of Santi in two thousand. That 206 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: was when this shooter Old Rich was born so like 207 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: for his entire life, Vocal has been saying stuff like 208 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: the conga stealing my copper. I mean it is it 209 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: is true that this this person did grow up surrounded 210 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: by a constant bubble of of homophobic rhetoric, dehumanizing rhetoric, 211 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: and that that does shape the person that you are. Obviously, 212 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't it doesn't mean you're going to go do 213 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: the best shooting. Theres lots of people who grew up 214 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,599 Speaker 1: in those environments who turn out to be very wonderful people. Um, 215 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: but but yeah, that is definitely like the environment that 216 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: you're raised in and around obviously doesn't obviously affects who 217 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna be. And this the shooters posting like burning 218 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: a Pride flag on on his very limited social media presence, 219 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: right Yeah. And every time his granted had the chance, 220 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: he's voted against rights. Yeah. He was raised in an 221 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: environment where hatred of LGBTQ people was not just like present, 222 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: but was used as the justification regularly for like legislative action. 223 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: And he was also raised in an environment where all 224 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: of the men around him would have praised violence in 225 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: different ways. And the fact that he wound up doing 226 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: violence against the queer community is not like surprising. Yeah, 227 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: yeah was it? His dad also like an m M. 228 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: A fighter, yes, UFC, UFC whatever, some yes, some sort 229 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: of combat sport. He's also in a bunch of playing movies, 230 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: a lot of poor movies, because I think a lot 231 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: of things were normalized that we're just like, maybe not 232 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: for other people. Yeah, that is a man who has 233 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: no barrier between the two sides of his nose due 234 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: to a lifetime of snorting every single uh chemical he 235 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: can possibly get his hands on. Um not if there's 236 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: anything wrong with that. Yeah, his dad doesn't seem to 237 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: be like entirely lucid into um. Well. And the other 238 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: aspect of this is that the shooter in Colorado was 239 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: like a known figure as well. He wasn't. He wasn't 240 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: a nobody like people had. He did like a bomb 241 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: threat last year. There was off with the police where 242 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: he was in armor threatening to go out shooting. Yeah, 243 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: that's I was really I'm really hoping the conversation shifts 244 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: more towards him as a person, because I can only 245 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: blame the family so much, you know, I He's done 246 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: some terrible things, and I think that's getting glossed over 247 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: by the fact that he has people in his family 248 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: that are questionable. And I think the number one thing 249 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: we should be pointing out because I also don't believe 250 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: we should be focusing entirely on his specific actions. We 251 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: should be focusing on the fact that it would have 252 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: been incredibly easy to stop this guy. He was the 253 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: most obvious candidate for a mass shooting imaginable, um, and 254 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: nothing was done to stop this Like that's that Like 255 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: whiteness is very helpful when it comes to hate. But yeah, 256 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: and away with crime. And all of the time I've 257 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: been following mass shooters, I can't think of one that 258 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: more directly talked about wanting to do a mass shooting 259 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: in a way that was immediately obvious to all of 260 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: the law enforcement in this area and had already forced 261 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: a response from them. There was absolutely and and again 262 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: for talking about his gun control always comes up in 263 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: this Colorado has red flag laws, like Colorado has the 264 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: restrictions people say should be but the problem is that 265 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: none of them were actually used against him, um anyway, 266 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: And I think comes back to like again, the problem, 267 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: like one of the largest problems again with gun regulation 268 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: is that you you're relying on the police to enforce. 269 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: And the cops believe of the same ship that this 270 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: guy does, so you know, yeah, they great again, letting 271 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: these people come to pride like this, this is gonna great, 272 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: go great for you. They just assumed he was an 273 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: excitable boy and it was gonna be you know. He 274 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: just needed to get it out of the system. That time, 275 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: he had a standoff with the police over a bomb 276 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: threat where he talked to his mom about wanting to 277 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: go out as a mass shooter like most young men haven't. Yeah, yeah, 278 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: should we should we take a break? Do you know 279 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: what else? Nopey, Nope, he's just to break. Yeah, do 280 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: some insulin. We're back. I hope everyone took insulin um everybody. 281 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: It'll I don't know what it'll do. Look very hungry, 282 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: sleepy and hungry, pilled, look, James. As a podcaster, it's 283 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: my job to tell people to take medicine, not to 284 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: have any responsibility for what happens when they do. Well, 285 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go fly up to Canada and get 286 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: some free insulin and then come back smuggle it down 287 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: that Actually, yeah, yeah, maybe consider just have them fill 288 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: up your car. What are were we talking about? Next, 289 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: So I want to I want to talk a bit 290 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: about the reaction to this on the right, because this 291 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: is something okay. So like the far right's reaction to 292 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: mass shootings has never been good, Like it's usually been like, oh, 293 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: this is this is still unfortunate that it happens mental illness, 294 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: This is like the pail or something like. They are 295 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: just pretty okay. So here's the thing. When I originally 296 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: did this, right, I had a timpool tweet that I 297 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: had pulled, and then he made like every successive time 298 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: we were about to record this episode he had he 299 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: makes another even worst. So here here is here is 300 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: the most recently. First, I do want to we have to. 301 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: One of the things I want to try to keep 302 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: in mind is we are more online than a decent 303 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: chunk of our audience. Tim Poole is a guy who 304 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: attained prominence UH live streaming during the Occupy Wall Street rallies. 305 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: He kind of framed himself as a broadly progressive kind 306 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: of liberal UH journalists. But he's like a skateboarder and 307 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: he's doing ship you know, he's live streaming a lot. 308 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: He's doing you know, experimenting with all these like novel 309 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: ways of covering the news at the time. You know, 310 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: we're talking like two thousand twelve. Um. Obviously, people since 311 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: then have pointed out that, like he was kind of 312 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: a giant dick it occupied were there who him? Yes, yes, 313 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: he he had a big platform. As a result of that, 314 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: he got hired by Vice for a little while. Um. 315 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: Most serious journalists who have worked with him will point 316 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: out that, like he's a giant asshole and like kind 317 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: of not good at anything, and it's not very smart, 318 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: doesn't really know what's going or deliberately obtuse. I've heard 319 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: people like anyway, Uh, he gained prominence as he kind 320 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: of increasingly through the Trump years would lean in on 321 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: hard right stuff while still claiming to be liberal and progressive, 322 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: and just that he was increasingly lost by the progressives 323 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: who have gotten too far. Anyway, he's just gone so 324 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: that he's he has a huge audience. He does a 325 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: lot of like live streaming. So the primary way that 326 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: like when I say that he used to do live 327 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: streaming where he would show up at a thing. He's rich. 328 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: Now he doesn't leave his his house in Maryland. He 329 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: sits there and he like plays clips from the news 330 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: and articles written by other people and then talks about 331 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: them really usually wrong poor commentary on it and has 332 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: millions and millions of followers, and it is constantly and 333 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: continues to platform people who are self described fascists, uh, 334 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: far right people. Um, he's kind of he's like a 335 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: he's like a vector point in that whole. He's very large, 336 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: he's fairly influential within the social media algorithm of particularly Twitter. Um, 337 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: he's able like his his he's able to get ship 338 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: trending a lot on Twitter. So he's not someone you 339 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: can entirely ignore. He has it. He has an impact 340 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: on like national discourse, and he's a lot of people 341 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: on the right see him as a valuable person. He's 342 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: had Alex Jones on he's hanging out with Kanye and 343 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: Nick Fuintes now, which is what we're about to talk about. 344 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: But the thing since, uh, since the Colorado Spring shooting, 345 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: he's gone kind of completely mask off about the groomery thing, 346 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: and most of his comments have been along the lines 347 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: of like, well, these people were hosting a groomer event 348 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: and so violence was inevitable. Yeah, And I mean like 349 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: like what what like that's something I mean, I'm just 350 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: gonna read on of those tweets to give like that 351 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: that's that's not an exaggeration or any kind of reading 352 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: of subtext. Literally what he said was quote. It seems 353 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: around ten pm, Club que posted that they were having 354 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: an all ages drag show the next day. About two 355 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: hours later, the shooter came in. People keep calling for 356 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: wood chippers, and this is what happens, like open like 357 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: and this has been a big thing across the entire right, 358 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: like they're just there's openly either like very very openly 359 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: celebrating this or you get you know, like this is 360 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: one of like one of the things that it's inevitable 361 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: because the gays are so degenerated, Like Jimmy fucking Door 362 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: has gone like just completely like like I literally started 363 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: with like it started this thing on this with a 364 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: giant rant about how like how like disgusting it is 365 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: that like drag queens around kids. It's like they they 366 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: are just openly into full scale just openly into the 367 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: like we need to get these people killed. This is 368 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: in some ways the most horrifying instant like this because 369 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: this is the first time that the reaction widely on 370 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: the right has been either this was a good thing, 371 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: or this was this this obviously was going to happen 372 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: because gay people are evil and are grooming children, so 373 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: violence has to happen against them, and like that is 374 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: that was That's such a popular sentiment on the right 375 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: in the aftermath at the shooting, whether it's whether it's 376 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: imply and whispered or whether it's just said completely outright, 377 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: Like it was a very clear consensus that this is 378 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: what the Republican reaction was going to be, and anyone 379 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: farther right of the Republicans like it. It wasn't it 380 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: wasn't even just like a Nazi talking point. It was 381 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: just like regular Republicans in office, we're talking about this, 382 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: this style of rhetoric in response to the shooting. And 383 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: for that reason, it's kind of the most horrifying instant 384 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: we've had, um because you know, like in the aftermath 385 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: of like the Pulse shooting, we did not have a 386 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: rhetoric like this mainstream in the way that it is 387 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: happening for the Club Q shooting. It was a very 388 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: very different response to the to the Pulse shooting. Also 389 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: probably because the shooter there wasn't white, um, so they 390 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: had yeah, they'd be like No, the problem here was immigration, right, 391 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: and no for this, like he's like, he is obviously 392 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: a white dude. Um, his lawyers are pulling bullshit to 393 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: get his crime charges pulled, but like it's obviously it's 394 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: it's obviously this white guy and the right responses. Yeah, 395 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: he was probably justified in doing what he did. And 396 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: I feel like they're setting him up to be the 397 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: next Kyle Rittenhouse, where like he's just gonna become like 398 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: this kid celebrity that killed I don't know if we're 399 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: there yet. Yeah, partly because he got the ship kicked 400 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: out of him. Um, but I thinks no, not by police, 401 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: by a translator. And yeah, I think you've made a 402 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: good point there that like what they did get away 403 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: with some ship with car Rittenhouse, that like I think 404 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: they would not have pulled even five years before that, 405 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: Like I think you wouldn't have found in people being 406 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: like yeah he shot people in the street and this 407 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: is good fuck them, And it is like the slippery 408 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: slipt fallacy isn't always a fallacy, but like you know, 409 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: once you start there, I don't think it's a massive 410 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: leap to being like, yeah, this kid shot queer people 411 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: in the nightclub and that's what they had coming. Like, 412 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: even if they don't make him a hero, Like I 413 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: do think that that like the Overton window moved with 414 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: Written House, and it's moving again with this bill fucker. Yeah, 415 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: I think he's slightly too toxic to to to go 416 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: through that same celebrity status that Written Houses. Um. He 417 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: also I can't speak. I think he's been like in 418 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: his court appearances, he's like not. I think he's got 419 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: beaten very badly to ship. Which the thing the thing 420 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: that scares me as like a potential Written House event, 421 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: but kind of in the in the anti were mass 422 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: shooter vibe is like you have some father or something 423 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: who's separated from the kid and their other parent takes 424 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: them to a drag queen event and dad shows up 425 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: and start shooting, and like that's a thing that's a 426 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: lot of easier to get the right to pile on. Yeah, 427 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: that's that's the instance where that person now becomes a 428 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: cultural figure in his way. That's more similar to what 429 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: has happened with Written House. Um. And that just is 430 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: like the hell scenario. And I think the other important 431 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: thing is like they're deliberately trying to incite this like 432 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: this is this is deliberate and like and this there's 433 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: an interesting thing like Nick Flints had this interviewing. I mean, 434 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: this is partially just this is just who fucking Nick 435 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: Flints is. We had this thing after the election where 436 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: he was like, uh, well, I'm like we we can 437 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: we we we we like we we can't. We can't 438 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: take power by like like we we we can't actually 439 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: get our agenda up by voting. We have to do 440 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: it by like theocratic fascism, right, and and I you know, okay, 441 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: so obviously this is Nick Flints, but I think this 442 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: is part of what's happening right now, which is that 443 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: the reason that they're doing this, right, the reason that 444 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: right now, the thing that they're trying to do was 445 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: inside a jetocide is because they're fucking losing everything. They 446 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: know it, right. Every single day church attendance drops. It's 447 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: been dropping for twenty years. It's never coming back, like 448 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: nine eleven didn't do it, like Trump didn't do it. Nothing, 449 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: Nothing is ever going to bring people back to these churches, 450 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: like unless maybe they solve their sexual assault problem. But 451 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: that's not like they structurally can't do that, right, So 452 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, every single day. Religiosity drop in this country 453 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: every single like every single day, very slowly, and we 454 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: have been doing this roughly for about fifteen years. Now 455 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: we are winning. And this is what they're fucking terrified of, right, 456 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: they have to move right now, like exactly in this 457 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: moment is the is the moment they could exterminate us. 458 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: If they wait any longer, they're fucked because they're you know, 459 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: the base for this kind of sort of like like 460 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: this specific kind of of Christian fascism isn't going to 461 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: be there, like there will be other fascisms, but you know, 462 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: every every every single day that they fucking wait, like 463 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: another person leaves the church and so you know, like 464 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: right now, and you know, and they can't do it electorally, right, 465 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: We just saw that they got fucking destroyed trying to 466 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: lean into the ship. Because and then this is the 467 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: other thing, right, like the over thing that's been happening 468 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: since the two thousands. And this is the thing that's 469 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: very different about this moment than any other moment that 470 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: has happened in US history is that the vast fast 471 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: majority of people are are are pre pro crew wides, 472 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: a prology BTQ, are pro game marriage game, marriage polls 473 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: consistently in about right, and even with the ship that 474 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: that hasn't moved in needle on it, right, they know 475 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: that they have to right now, right, they have to 476 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: kill us. All they have left is this solely have left. 477 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: They have they have no works action basically, like it's 478 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: like and they see no other viable way to mainstream this. 479 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: And that's why we have hours after the shooting, lives 480 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: of tektok posting about queer events in Colorado, because they're 481 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: they're trying to get this thing to happen. They're trying 482 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: to do more, trying to press the attack. Yeah, but 483 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: but but but but I think I think I think 484 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: this is this is like the only thing, like this 485 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: is a sign of their weakness, right, And and they're 486 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: like again, like the number, the physical number of people 487 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: who are pushing this ship is not that large, right, 488 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: and and you know again like this is this is 489 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've I've talked a lot about how 490 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: the silent majority in this country doesn't agree with this 491 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: ship and like they're literally are not that fucking many 492 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: of them. We can stop them, Like this is a 493 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: natural thing, Like you know, like there there there there's 494 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: a limit to which we can even sort of talk 495 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: about this. But like, okay, we've been doing community self 496 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: defense like as as sort of like the big principle 497 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: of the left sense of Trump era. We have reached 498 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: a point where, like, you know, we can defend ourselves, 499 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: but if well, if we're limited to just defending ourselves, 500 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: they're going to kill a bunch of us first. And 501 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: that means that we, like we actually have to start 502 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: taking the fight to these media platforms where we have 503 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 1: to start taking the fight specifically trying to get these 504 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: people sucking off air and then you know, failing that, 505 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: like fucking showing up and like blowing a fucking air 506 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: horn and try a right checks like ear every single 507 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: time she leaves her house. Right, because all of all 508 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: of these people sucking, their entire lives depend on our labor. Right, 509 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: Every single fucking uber they take, every single deal they eat, 510 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: is all prepared by us. And you know, we can 511 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: fucking find them, and we can we can make their 512 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: lives fucking hell if this is what they're gonna do 513 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: to us. Garrison, do you want to do you want 514 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: to talk about focus on the family. It looks and Colorado, Oh, Yeah, 515 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: there was speaking of the kind of direct action. Chris 516 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: was talking about showing up where these people are and 517 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: making it very clear that they don't get to pretend 518 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: anymore to not be complicit in in murder. Um that 519 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: that's a story. Yeah. Some some people did did show 520 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: up at the Colorado Springs focus on the family headquarters. 521 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: Um did a did a graffiti left some left some 522 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: messages out front and posted a community ca of sorts. 523 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: I think they called them debotic, which is pretty funny, 524 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: remembering the message thing right, that is a weird place. 525 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: It talked about how Satan can disguise himself as an 526 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: angel light. That's that's talking about the types of like 527 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: self righteousness that these Christian fascist groups put on and 528 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: in but in effect they're all kind of murderous snakes. Um. 529 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: That was people trying trying to use the Bible against 530 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: these guys, which is funny in an ironic way. And 531 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't think they actually care because they don't actually care. 532 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't think they actually care what the Bible set about, 533 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: what the Bible says they give a shit about. Yeah, 534 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: but showing but showing up and and and doing doing 535 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: a little thing outside outside their headquarters is definitely a 536 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: good first Stephen when me and James went there, Um, 537 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, like in terms of this is just an 538 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: interesting an interesting comment, like police did not help at 539 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: the club queue shooting at all. They came back towards 540 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: and they held and they you know, as as they 541 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: usually do. They'll they'll they arrest the person who who 542 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: who helped who help stop the mast shooting. Um, when 543 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: me and James went to the Focus on the Family 544 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: headquarters last summer, um, there was a Colorado Police officer 545 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: inside the building the entire time. Um constantly. They're mostly 546 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: watching me because I was the obvious, obvious outcast inside there. 547 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: But that police are stationed at Focus in the Family 548 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: all the time to make sure nothing bad happens there. 549 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: But they're not going to do ship to help queer 550 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: people getting murdered. But they're gonna stay. They're gonna have 551 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: a police car outside of the Focus in the Family 552 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: building and have have an officer inside all the time 553 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: because that's what the police actually do. Yeah, I mean, 554 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: it's it's like it is increasingly obvious if you have 555 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: been paying any attention in the last decade, the only 556 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: consequences that exists in this world as us, and you 557 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: know it is in our hands to decide what the 558 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: consequences for these people fucking attempting to inside a genocide are. 559 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us here. It 560 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: could happen here until next time. 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