Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers Game podcast of Ryan Gerdowski.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for being here again for this Thursday episode.
Speaker 1: Before I bring up my main topic about the LA riots,
Speaker 1: I want to talk with some quick numbers for my
Speaker 1: audience to chew. On Tuesday was the primary in New
Speaker 1: Jersey's governor's race. This is one of two governor's races
Speaker 1: happening this year or the other in Virginia, Democratic Congssman
Speaker 1: Mickey Cheryl was the victor and her party's primary. She
Speaker 1: won thirty four percent in a record high election. Was
Speaker 1: a very crowded feel full of very highly qualified Democrats,
Speaker 1: while the former Republican nominee from twenty twenty one, Jack Chittarelli,
Speaker 1: won the GOP primary, taking about sixty eight percent of
Speaker 1: the vote, very impressive. Chittarelli won every county in the state.
Speaker 1: He was easily the favorite. Ironically, it was a very
Speaker 1: high turnout for his primary as well, even though he
Speaker 1: basically had locked up the nomination weeks ago. Cheryl once
Speaker 1: again had a packed feel full of opponents and she
Speaker 1: was running basically second. In every single came counties she
Speaker 1: won either first or second, so that's how she was
Speaker 1: able to beat out everybody. There was pockets that it
Speaker 1: supported a state senator in the south, in southern Jersey,
Speaker 1: there was pockets that supported mayors over in the suburbs
Speaker 1: of New York. So she managed to win. Where she
Speaker 1: didn't win first place, she won second place everywhere, powering
Speaker 1: her victory. So it's really exciting for both those campaigns.
Speaker 1: Cheryl had also the backing of county parties, which in
Speaker 1: New Jersey really means something because it's one of the
Speaker 1: last few states that really has a machine infrastructure. And
Speaker 1: she was also supported by a pack called Emily's List,
Speaker 1: as well as several former Democratic governors of the state. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me talk about the numbers of the state ahead
Speaker 1: of the general election. And I'm going to talk about
Speaker 1: this election again before November, but it's because it's, you know,
Speaker 1: one of only two, so we're going to be talking
Speaker 1: about it. Democrats sat up this race with an eight
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven thousand person voter advantage. There's eight
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven thousand more registered Democrats than Republicans
Speaker 1: in the Garden State. So that strength means that they're
Speaker 1: going in this as the favorite. They have the advantage
Speaker 1: walking into this, but the strength of the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: in New Jersey is not what it used to be. Obviously,
Speaker 1: everyone was surprised that Trump managed to get within six
Speaker 1: points of winning New Jersey and Chittarelli was in three
Speaker 1: points of winning the governorship back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Back in twenty twenty, right before the last governor's race,
Speaker 1: Democrats had a one point zero two seven million, almost
Speaker 1: one million, thirty thousand person voter advantage. They lost about
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand net voters to Republicans since the last election,
Speaker 1: and they only won the last election by eighty four
Speaker 1: thousand votes. So why Republicans have a real chance to
Speaker 1: win the Garden State for the first time since since
Speaker 1: Chris Christie back in I think tw and nine twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: that was his reelectionlic have done a steady job at
Speaker 1: decreasing democrats voter advantage every month for four years. For
Speaker 1: every month for the last four years, there have been
Speaker 1: more new registered Republicans regis Democrats. Since December twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: Republicans have gained a net one hundred and seventy nine
Speaker 1: thousand new registered voters, while Democrats have lost about seventy
Speaker 1: three thousand voters. The other big thing in New Jersey
Speaker 1: why this is different than the last government election is
Speaker 1: there are more registered independents than Democrats in the state.
Speaker 1: All told, the state has about two point five million independents,
Speaker 1: two point four to five million Democrats, and one point
Speaker 1: sixty two million Republicans. Whoever can win a broad selection
Speaker 1: of independence wins the governor's mansion. And once again, I'll
Speaker 1: be back about New Jersey later on the year. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about polling data when it comes out. There's like
Speaker 1: essentially no polling data right now, so I'll talk about
Speaker 1: it as it comes out. As we have more information.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can get some of the campaigns on I
Speaker 1: would love to sit there and even here from Democrats
Speaker 1: about they're feeling in the Garden State because they've definitely
Speaker 1: lost traction in a state that they needed. Jersey ever
Speaker 1: becomes a real swing state like the way Georgia is
Speaker 1: or Nevada, and Republicans can win it. Democrats are in
Speaker 1: trouble nationwide. Remember, Jersey has been a consistent Democrats states
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety two, but from nineteen sixty eight to
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight it was a reliably Republican state. So
Speaker 1: it's not like it's unheard of that they're a party
Speaker 1: that their state would be in contention. Okay, So now
Speaker 1: for the main topic of the show, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about LA. At the height of the George Floyd riots,
Speaker 1: it was known as the Summer of Love. Well, five
Speaker 1: years later, summer twenty twenty five, it can be known
Speaker 1: as the Summer of Ice. Anti immigration and force and
Speaker 1: rights have broken out in several major cities, including New York, Atlanta,
Speaker 1: San Diego, Minneapolis, Glendeal, Arizona, San Francisco, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, Chicago,
Speaker 1: and La. The riots in LA have set parts of
Speaker 1: the city of blaze and have become the epicenter of
Speaker 1: the anti immigrant riots in the country. It all began
Speaker 1: on June sixth, when immigration officers executed a search warrant.
Speaker 1: This is important because a federal judge from Los Angeles
Speaker 1: gave the okay to federal ICE agents to conduct this search.
Speaker 1: Why you don't hear the same conversations from the left
Speaker 1: about this as you did from like Maryland, man was
Speaker 1: all the courts were given the okay. There was no
Speaker 1: abuse of power on the part or even accusations of
Speaker 1: abuse of power on the part of Democrats. When it
Speaker 1: came to the initial search warrant, judges gave the okay.
Speaker 1: They said you could look into four businesses suspected of
Speaker 1: hiring illegal aliens and most importantly, falsifying business records. Word
Speaker 1: broke out across social media, alarming activists to the raids
Speaker 1: and asking them to show up at home depots and
Speaker 1: ambience stores to protest ICE, where they began throwing rocks
Speaker 1: at federal agents and even throw a few rocks at
Speaker 1: media outlets. Media outlets were getting pelted with rocks in
Speaker 1: some of these videos. For the last few days, protesters
Speaker 1: have shown up across downtown LA setting cars on fire,
Speaker 1: especially self driving cars. I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: because self driving cars are not programmed to I guess
Speaker 1: they're maybe because they're programmed not to hit pedestrians, so
Speaker 1: they don't even They just sit there and they're easy targets.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just questioning that now thinking about this and attacking
Speaker 1: police officers and ICE agents. The riots caused President Trump
Speaker 1: to call in two thousand National guardsmen in another two
Speaker 1: thousand troops. It's important to note that despite the chaos.
Speaker 1: Every Democrat governor in the country condemned President Trump's action
Speaker 1: for calling the National Guard, saying it was an abuse
Speaker 1: of power. Congress on Maxine Waters, who's known as a
Speaker 1: beacon of sanity in this country. So there was no
Speaker 1: evidence of violence at all, even though there were tons
Speaker 1: of videos everyone could watch of cars being set on
Speaker 1: fire and law enforcement agents being forced to cower under
Speaker 1: a bridgehile they were being pelted with concrete debris. Hundreds
Speaker 1: of protesters have been arrested so far, several having guns,
Speaker 1: one had an illegal, one an legal alien, and having
Speaker 1: a Molotov cocktail he's preparing to throw at law enforcement.
Speaker 1: One independent journalist, Cam Higbee, who I'm hoping to have
Speaker 1: on the podcast about this, he's been in downtown LA
Speaker 1: though this entire thing. He asked, mes that there's tens
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars of damages, because when you have
Speaker 1: left wing activists protesting, you eventually will have them rioting stores.
Speaker 1: And they've broken into Apple stores, they set a parking
Speaker 1: a lot of blaze. There have been many attacks on businesses,
Speaker 1: not just on police officers, which of course they've got
Speaker 1: to cause damage to the police equipment as well. This
Speaker 1: is all part of President Trump's effort to make goodness
Speaker 1: promise for mass deportation, which has scaled up significantly lately.
Speaker 1: On June four, twenty twenty five, President Trump had his
Speaker 1: single biggest day for deportations, around twenty two hundred arrests.
Speaker 1: Looking at these protests, it's obvious that some are protesters
Speaker 1: aren't just illegal aliens, you know, seeing their family members
Speaker 1: being rounded up and being upset. This is coming from
Speaker 1: left wing activists who are planning and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: arming some of these people with bricks and molotov cocktails
Speaker 1: and other weapons. I like at least a few people
Speaker 1: have been charged with illegal gun possession. The sight of
Speaker 1: illegal aliens waving Mexican and Palestinian flags while they're be
Speaker 1: demanding American law be skirted and ignoring American sovereignty is enraging,
Speaker 1: and I can't help but think it emboldens Trump's face
Speaker 1: into supporting mass deportations. If there's any wishy washy Republicans
Speaker 1: out there, all they have to do is see a
Speaker 1: massed illegal alien waving a Mexican flag on top of
Speaker 1: a burned police car to get their blood boiling as
Speaker 1: they hear CNN sit there and say these are mostly
Speaker 1: peaceful protests. I can't imagine that is not enraging to
Speaker 1: the average American, especially the average Republican and moderate Republicans
Speaker 1: are the ones who are always willing to bend the
Speaker 1: knee and to sit there and give in at the
Speaker 1: demands of the left and sit there and say, maybe
Speaker 1: they'll like us more than Mendi will like a more
Speaker 1: iph We just do this. But I'm not on the
Speaker 1: ground in LA, and I've not witnessed these protests personally,
Speaker 1: or am I studying the protests specifically. But our next
Speaker 1: guest is a journalist who's been following the rights very
Speaker 1: very closely, So he's coming up next, I guess today
Speaker 1: is Spencer Linquist. He's an investigative journalist for the Daily
Speaker 1: Wire and he's been covering the rights in LA. Spencer,
Speaker 1: thanks for being here.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: So my first question is there seems to be that
Speaker 1: part of these riots, especially in Los Angeles, are organic.
Speaker 1: You know, you see like the overweight Mexican illegal alien
Speaker 1: throwing stuff at cop cars, and then there's some of
Speaker 1: it that seems to be organized as far as the
Speaker 1: leftist organizations in there and saying come here, you know,
Speaker 1: to protest, ice agents and the police. What can you
Speaker 1: tell me about the organizational aspects.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a wide range of different organizations that
Speaker 3: are involved in these protests, and I had to report
Speaker 3: earlier this week we're honed in on a couple of those,
Speaker 3: and these are really radical organizations. You know, we're used
Speaker 3: to seeing the communist groups, we're used to seeing Antifa,
Speaker 3: were used to seeing groups that oftentimes openly call themselves Marxists.
Speaker 3: But what I think is very interesting by this situation
Speaker 3: is that it isn't just these standard left wing groups
Speaker 3: that Americans have unfortunately become very familiar with over the
Speaker 3: course of the last several years, you know, even since
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, when they really became active at
Speaker 3: the start of the of the Trump era. What we're
Speaker 3: seeing now is organizations that in effect really are calling
Speaker 3: for Mexico to retake part of this country. That they're
Speaker 3: calling for the southwestern states, Texas, New Mexico, California, Arizona
Speaker 3: to really be retaken. And they're viewing this not in
Speaker 3: the traditional just left right paradigm. They're seeing this actually
Speaker 3: as a revenge really for the Mexican American War. That
Speaker 3: is really the framing that a lot of these groups
Speaker 3: have taken. So we looked at multiple organizations. One is
Speaker 3: called a Centro Cso, another one is called Union in
Speaker 3: del Barrio, and both of these organizations they have this symbol.
Speaker 3: It's called Atslam and this comes from the Lazza movement. Larrazzo,
Speaker 3: of course means the race. It is an openly racial movement,
Speaker 3: an openly racially motivated movement, and this symbol. They actually
Speaker 3: have a flag that we showed online, and it's a
Speaker 3: flag of these lower States, these southwestern states, as their
Speaker 3: own nation, as potentially part of Mexico. So we're seeing
Speaker 3: these organizations again, these organizations that the American people really
Speaker 3: aren't familiar with up until now. But these are all
Speaker 3: kind of Chicano activist groups, Mexican activist groups, and what
Speaker 3: they're doing really is they're engaging in activism in the
Speaker 3: United States on behalf of not only their specific sectional,
Speaker 3: factional ethnic interests, but potentially even on the base of
Speaker 3: the national interests of foreign powers like Mexico.
Speaker 1: You know what's so interesting about the Loraza movement. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this, but you know that
Speaker 1: the Castro brothers walking and it's the other congressman's name.
Speaker 1: It's Joaquin Castro, and his brother's name is Julian Castro.
Speaker 1: Julian was in the Obama and the Obama administration as
Speaker 1: a housing an urban urban housing department. Their mother, Rosie,
Speaker 1: was a central organizer with the Lazza movement. I think
Speaker 1: back in the seventies, if I'm not mistaken, in his sixties.
Speaker 1: So they go back a very very long time in this.
Speaker 1: I haven't actually paid attention to what they've been saying
Speaker 1: about it, but they are steeped in the entire Larazza effort.
Speaker 1: And this has been dating back decades. This isn't a
Speaker 1: new thing. I mean, it's not as well known, but
Speaker 1: this is this is not a new thing. Do you
Speaker 1: know anything about but the origin of the Loraza movement.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not too familiar with the specific backgrounds
Speaker 3: of those congressmen, but I do know quite a bit
Speaker 3: about this, the milieu really that that has fostered this
Speaker 3: type of activism. I grew up in San Jose, California.
Speaker 3: You know, it's an area where there's a really really
Speaker 3: high immigrant popular and when I was covering protests there,
Speaker 3: even just as a high schooler's eighteen nineteen going to
Speaker 3: some of these protests, and we would see the brown Berets.
Speaker 3: They'd be running security at a lot of these groups.
Speaker 3: And that's some form of offshoot from the Lauraza movement.
Speaker 3: It's you know, one of the factions within it. And
Speaker 3: this again, this is an ethnically racially motivated group. These
Speaker 3: aren't the typical organizations like just Antifa or some of
Speaker 3: these other Marxist organizations. And what we're seeing right now
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles is there's kind of this perfect storm
Speaker 3: for these activists that they've been organizing for years on
Speaker 3: the basis of this identity. And now you have mass immigration,
Speaker 3: it's hidden apex. Now you have a foreign class within
Speaker 3: the United States, particularly within Los Angeles, maybe more than
Speaker 3: any other city in the country arguably, and there is
Speaker 3: this marriage really between these organized forces, these highly ideological
Speaker 3: forces like Union del Barrio and Centro Coso and various
Speaker 3: other Larraza organizations. And then you also do just see
Speaker 3: this organic sense. You've got people who are flying the
Speaker 3: Mexican flag there. Of course, they don't have any form
Speaker 3: of loyalty in the United States. This is something I
Speaker 3: think that really puts to bed one of the big
Speaker 3: sacred cows that the left is touted for really several decades,
Speaker 3: and that is the idea that diversity is our greatest strength.
Speaker 2: That's something that we've heard endlessly. The argument.
Speaker 3: It's really ridiculous on his face, but it goes something
Speaker 3: like this. The idea is that if you pack as
Speaker 3: many differences as you can into the same political body,
Speaker 3: as many different languages, racial and ethnic backgrounds, national origins, religions,
Speaker 3: as many different cultures and customs, if you pack as
Speaker 3: many different differences into the same political body, that somehow
Speaker 3: that is going to result in a peaceful and prosperous society.
Speaker 3: That's something that people on the right of well, we've
Speaker 3: already been highly skeptical of. But what we're seeing now
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, I think really puts that to rest.
Speaker 3: It really kills that sacred cow on the left. But
Speaker 3: we've seen really in actuality. What happens is that we've
Speaker 3: a fifth column that we've imported into this country. They're
Speaker 3: waving the flags be foreign nation as they're attacking federal
Speaker 3: law enforcement. Simply what's going on in Los Angeles Is
Speaker 3: people are trying to enforce the law. These are laws
Speaker 3: that have been on the books for years. Unfortunately, they
Speaker 3: haven't been enforced with any seriousness until now. And what
Speaker 3: we're seeing is the American government can't even enforce its
Speaker 3: own laws without a foreign class really revolting against it
Speaker 3: in one of our largest cities.
Speaker 1: You know, it's always interesting that they throw in the
Speaker 1: Palestine flag as well as the Mexican flag, because it's
Speaker 1: what it essentially is is a anti colonial movement in
Speaker 1: their version of colonialism. It's very a part of their
Speaker 1: race Marxism ideology cross section. But there seems to be
Speaker 1: a lot of people a lot of tactics that are
Speaker 1: similar between the twenty twenty protests during the George Floyd
Speaker 1: summer where there's just bricks everywhere and they're breaking up
Speaker 1: concrete to throw them at police. They've rated Apple stores
Speaker 1: and other stores, which you know, nothing says we support
Speaker 1: illegal aliens like rating an Apple store. What have you
Speaker 1: seen as far as attacks like violence goes, especially against
Speaker 1: law enforcement. What are some tactics that have been used.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen really a range of different a range
Speaker 3: of different violent actions. Of course, there's some pretty infamous
Speaker 3: video now of you know, people throwing.
Speaker 2: Blocks of concrete or rocks.
Speaker 3: Even limescooters, which if you've ever rode one of those,
Speaker 3: that they're pretty heavy, and these are our items are
Speaker 3: getting tossed off the side of a highway overpass on
Speaker 3: to cop cars. You know, it's almost miraculous that some
Speaker 3: of these police weren't getting, you know, hit with these.
Speaker 3: A lot of that damage was to the cars themselves.
Speaker 3: You saw these windshields being broke, and of course there's
Speaker 3: been these way moos that have been lit on fire.
Speaker 3: So there's a number of different disruptive tactics and it
Speaker 3: really is reminiscent of what we saw in the BLM
Speaker 3: summer where there was riots all across the country. And
Speaker 3: I think you're right to hone in on that form
Speaker 3: of anti colonial rhetoric that they used. One of the
Speaker 3: organizations that looked into Union del Barrio they speak that
Speaker 3: exact language of anti colonialism, and really their overarching goal
Speaker 3: is they call it Nuestra America New America, and what
Speaker 3: they want to do is they it's a it's a
Speaker 3: movement really across borders, and they want to reconquer the
Speaker 3: United States for for indigenous people, that that is their movement,
Speaker 3: and they say they're fighting back against European colonialism, fighting
Speaker 3: back against the archetypal Anglo settler. So they're they're viewing
Speaker 3: this in explicitly racial and ethnic terms, and mass migration,
Speaker 3: it should be noted, is is really what they see
Speaker 3: as their tool for reconquering the American Southwest and perhaps
Speaker 3: beyond mass immigration, something that we've been told is a blessing.
Speaker 3: It's something that apparently makes our country stronger, a fur
Speaker 3: more secure. We've been told all these lies. These left
Speaker 3: wing organizations view the first step in the reconquering of
Speaker 3: America to be mass migration, and that's why they're fighting
Speaker 3: against these deep ortations so hard, and in many cases
Speaker 3: these protesters are fighting back violently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so funny, is I wasn't super
Speaker 1: political in my youth. I guess I kind of had
Speaker 1: always a little bit of it. But then I in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven or six, I went on a
Speaker 1: family vacation where there was like no I mean there
Speaker 1: was barely an intern to begin with, but there was
Speaker 1: like no television period, and I read a lot, and
Speaker 1: I read one of pap Buchanan's books, and he was
Speaker 1: mentioning I think it's the first reason I ever read
Speaker 1: who mentioned any of this stuff. And it's just incredible
Speaker 1: that it's been twenty something years later, and I think
Speaker 1: the book was ten years old at the time, and
Speaker 1: now it's really come to the forefront. I don't imagine
Speaker 1: that this has broad support within the Latino community, though
Speaker 1: mass deportations may be increasing. Is the goal here to
Speaker 1: have like the goal for the Black Panthers was to
Speaker 1: have a radical revolution, but they ever had humongously broad
Speaker 1: support amongst the American in the left. They were never denounced,
Speaker 1: but they were never only huge support. I guess this
Speaker 1: so Soldier was denounced, but that was about it. The
Speaker 1: Is the goal here to have broad support among the
Speaker 1: Latino American community that is moving to the right fashion
Speaker 1: in any other community, or is it just to have
Speaker 1: just to really make a staple within progressivism and in
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party is to say no, this is what
Speaker 1: you're what your police are. Because I think maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: did anyone besides John Fetterman condemned this yet? I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think John Vernermon was the only one as far
Speaker 1: as I know, it could as far as democratic elected officials.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the really the high profile democratic condemnation
Speaker 3: that I've seen so far. When it comes to the
Speaker 3: goals of these organizations, I really do think it is
Speaker 3: the former you know. There there's there's even eclips of
Speaker 3: them trying to speak with Hispanic members of law enforcement saying,
Speaker 3: don't don't attack.
Speaker 2: Your own community.
Speaker 3: Don't you know, ethnically cleanse your own community, basically calling
Speaker 3: them traders to their people. You know, I don't really
Speaker 3: at being particularly successful. Of course, the Hispanic community is
Speaker 3: not a monolith. It's more conservative in Texas, at least
Speaker 3: relative to how liberal it is in California, you know,
Speaker 3: So it certainly isn't a monolith, and I'm not sure
Speaker 3: that they will be able to achieve that broad support,
Speaker 3: but there has certainly been an undercurrent of this type
Speaker 3: of organizing. I think the immediate goal of these groups
Speaker 3: is to make deportations as painful as humanly possible. I
Speaker 3: think they're trying to send a message to the administration,
Speaker 3: to law enforcement that every time you try and enforce
Speaker 3: the law, laws again that have been on the books
Speaker 3: for years, laws that are broadly supported by Americans, that
Speaker 3: we are going to make it painful for you, maybe
Speaker 3: in the very literal sense of we're going to throw
Speaker 3: a brick through your windshield, or we're going to pelt
Speaker 3: your vehicles, or we're going to riot, or maybe just
Speaker 3: politically costly. I think both those strategies are going to backfire.
Speaker 3: The broad swath of the American public is not going
Speaker 3: to like these scenes.
Speaker 2: I don't think they've liked these scenes.
Speaker 3: Of foreigners waving foreign flags on top of burn cars
Speaker 3: one of America's largest cities, and the optics are very
Speaker 3: bad for them.
Speaker 1: So I've seen at least one or two cases of
Speaker 1: maleotof cocktails being thrown, one by an illegal alien who
Speaker 1: was arrested for throwing molotov cocktails at the police. There
Speaker 1: was an instant where the LAPD was stuck underneath a
Speaker 1: bridge and they were throwing bricks at them, and one
Speaker 1: only goal alien, I think was at least handful of
Speaker 1: illegal islands were caught with illegal guns. Has there been
Speaker 1: any calls for explicit violence in the sense of like
Speaker 1: let's kill a cop that you've seen anywhere, or is
Speaker 1: it just like let's cause chaos.
Speaker 3: I did see one speaker who is with Centro Cso
Speaker 3: this is one of the one of the groups that
Speaker 3: we featured in our report who is making some statements
Speaker 3: that certainly could be perceived as.
Speaker 2: Calls to cost of violence.
Speaker 3: The individual was saying, we're going to take the fight
Speaker 3: to them, We're not playing defense anymore, that when they
Speaker 3: come to this city, they're going to realize that we're
Speaker 3: not messing around anymore. You know, made some statements that
Speaker 3: certainly did seem to appear like there was a call
Speaker 3: to violence. You know, it is difficult to unless we
Speaker 3: get actual, you know, more arrests, unless we get more footage.
Speaker 3: It's difficult to say exactly the extent to which these
Speaker 3: organizations are involved in the violence. But what I can
Speaker 3: say is that there was one group that is affiliated
Speaker 3: with both of.
Speaker 2: These two organizations.
Speaker 3: It was passing out goggles, it was passing out helmets,
Speaker 3: passing out gloves, passing out really all of these items
Speaker 3: that would be very useful if you're going up against
Speaker 3: cops that are using tear gas or that of riot shields.
Speaker 3: So there certainly arezations that, even if they are not
Speaker 3: themselves explicitly by their own admission, involved in the violence,
Speaker 3: do certainly seem to be facilitating a lot of violence
Speaker 3: that we've seen.
Speaker 1: Well, the goggles and helmets, they cost money. How are
Speaker 1: they getting money? Is there someone financing these organizations? I
Speaker 1: assume there would be, but I wouldn't know. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: you know who they are or how they get their money
Speaker 1: or are they multimillion other organizations? I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these SPECI organizations, these three, they're unofficial organizations, so
Speaker 3: they're not nonprofits. They don't have you know, nine to
Speaker 3: ninety forms from the IRS that we can go dig into.
Speaker 3: So it's a lot more difficult really to to do
Speaker 3: research into the into the financing of these groups. Oftentimes
Speaker 3: they'll make calls out on social media that they'll say,
Speaker 3: here's our venmo, here's our PayPal, here's our zel, you know,
Speaker 3: send us some money. We're going to be, you know,
Speaker 3: protesting tonight in Los Angeles. So it's really amorphous, you know.
Speaker 3: In many cases, it's a lot more difficult to investigate
Speaker 3: exactly where the money is coming from.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of it's a lot of white
Speaker 1: Libs in Williamsburg who are sending their parents' money to
Speaker 1: like some Lazo race group it's really poetry when you
Speaker 1: think about it. I'm sorry, go ahead and continue.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's absolutely right. I mean there's this uh.
Speaker 3: I think it's a microcosm of what we see on
Speaker 3: the left, one of their more effective strategies.
Speaker 2: It's this high low coalition. Right.
Speaker 3: You kind of have this mythos on the left that
Speaker 3: you can have these mass movements, these mass calls for justice,
Speaker 3: and that this type of mass mobilization really exchange at
Speaker 3: the national political level. But what we actually see is
Speaker 3: that these are the foot soldiers, and that there is
Speaker 3: elite support that comes down from the top to bolster
Speaker 3: the efforts of people, you know, who are down there
Speaker 3: doing the street level activism and the street level rioting.
Speaker 3: I think the most the biggest example of this is
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris promoting that bail fund during one of the
Speaker 3: BLM riots.
Speaker 2: But we're even seeing it now.
Speaker 3: You know, there is the National Immigrant Law Center and
Speaker 3: they're passing out a guide telling illegal aliens, effectively, how
Speaker 3: to protest safely. They're saying, leave your phones at home,
Speaker 3: give whatever papers that you might have, you know two
Speaker 3: loved ones, don't identify yourself. They're really handing out this
Speaker 3: guide really to agitate foreign nationals who are present in
Speaker 3: our country. But you do see this marriage between the
Speaker 3: kind of scrappy street level people and some of these
Speaker 3: organizations that certainly are more well funded and more official that.
Speaker 1: Would make it easier to find them. Okay, last two questions,
Speaker 1: What if anything has the administration could they do really
Speaker 1: to crack down on organizations like this that are trying
Speaker 1: to skirt the law like what have What could what
Speaker 1: could the presidence administration or even local law enforcement due
Speaker 1: to really crack down these organizations?
Speaker 3: You know, the biggest thing in this that the Trump
Speaker 3: administration has already done is to pull the funding from
Speaker 3: these large organizations. There's one group called the Coalition for
Speaker 3: Humane Immigrant Rights and they raked in i believe, tens
Speaker 3: of millions of dollars from the Biden administration. They've been
Speaker 3: involved in organizing these protests, and we wrote about them
Speaker 3: back I believe in October of last year. The Trump
Speaker 3: administration pulled their funding earlier this year, so that of
Speaker 3: course is a big step.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Another another potential option that the administration or members of
Speaker 3: Congress could have is to officially criminalize to a higher
Speaker 3: degree a legal border crossing. You know, that is something
Speaker 3: that not only would discourage legal immigration, but it could
Speaker 3: also potentially give people, you know, more legal room to
Speaker 3: prosecute who are in this country illegally and potentially to
Speaker 3: prosecute those who are facilitating that.
Speaker 1: It's always crazy whenever you hear oh, you know, the
Speaker 1: Trump administration is doing X, Y and Z to stop
Speaker 1: illegal immigration, and the natural impulse was, wait a second,
Speaker 1: they have those they have the ability to do that anyway.
Speaker 1: Of course, our tax dollars are being spent to bring
Speaker 1: in illegal aliens. It's some mind boggling. Okay, last question, Spencer,
Speaker 1: what are you working on and what pople go to
Speaker 1: read more about your stuff the Daily Wire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm covering immigration really every day. This is the
Speaker 3: seismic political issue of our time, both for America and
Speaker 3: for Western civilization more broadly. So this is what I'm
Speaker 3: digging into, this is what I'm spending my time researching
Speaker 3: and investigating, and you can find it first and foremost
Speaker 3: at The Daily Wire and also on Twitter. The name
Speaker 3: is Spencer Linquist and you can keep up with some
Speaker 3: of my investigations there as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Spencier, thanks on the podcast. I love reading your stuff,
Speaker 1: so I'll keep checking it out and love to have
Speaker 1: you backma on time.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Rian.
Speaker 1: Hey, we'll be right back after this time. Forward the
Speaker 1: ask Me Anything segment of the podcast. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your emails. I really enjoy getting them. I
Speaker 1: read every single email. You can email me Ryan at
Speaker 1: Numbers Gamepodcast dot com. That's Ryan at Numbers Game podcast
Speaker 1: dot com. Ask me any question you want and I'll
Speaker 1: try to bring you the data and the information that
Speaker 1: you want to hear to find out what the numbers
Speaker 1: are behind these narratives you hear from the mainstream media.
Speaker 1: This email comes from Cheryl Dunn. Dearest Ryan, there's a
Speaker 1: story that came out at the time of me writing
Speaker 1: this Wednesday about a federal immigration rate on a Nebraskan
Speaker 1: meat production plant. The owner of the plans data that
Speaker 1: he used everify and verified over seventy employees that turn
Speaker 1: out to have stolen US identities to get employed. If
Speaker 1: we can't rely on e verified to secure the job market,
Speaker 1: what can we do? So what Cheryl's talking about is
Speaker 1: that there was an ice rate in Omaha at the
Speaker 1: Glenn Valley Food Plant where, according to Congressman Don bacon.
Speaker 1: Seventy five to eighty people were detained for being in
Speaker 1: the country illegally, according to Glenn Valley Food Plant. They
Speaker 1: said that they used to Everify in the hiring process.
Speaker 1: Everify is supposed to allow employers to figure out who
Speaker 1: you can and cannot hire illegally or illegally, you know,
Speaker 1: in this country, with their status is I called my
Speaker 1: friends at the Center for Immigration Studies after reading this email.
Speaker 1: I asked them, how how could these this many people
Speaker 1: thwart Everify and get away with it? This is it's
Speaker 1: not one person, it's a lot of people. And they
Speaker 1: said it was statistically improbable that everify was actually being
Speaker 1: used correctly in this case that they were that they
Speaker 1: were kind of, you know, saying they were using without
Speaker 1: actually thoroughly using it. I researched information from DHS and
Speaker 1: they said everifies accuracy rate as the twenty eighteen was
Speaker 1: ninety eight point eight eight percent for work authorized individuals
Speaker 1: and ninety four percent accuracy for final non confirmations. The
Speaker 1: reporting shows that there was very very few cases of
Speaker 1: people really being able to get away with not being employed.
Speaker 1: The only way that this actually happened where was seventy
Speaker 1: five to eighty people. Is if they were all using
Speaker 1: stolen IDs, which if they are that many people in
Speaker 1: one single location getting stolen ideas stolen driver's licenses or
Speaker 1: doctor's driver's licenses using real numbers, then there's obviously a
Speaker 1: larger operation going on that is producing these driver's licenses.
Speaker 1: Once again, I asked my friends who were in the
Speaker 1: know about this. They said, it's likely that that everify
Speaker 1: was not actually being carried out as they as it's
Speaker 1: supposed to, and that they were trying they're trying to
Speaker 1: save face now if it if it was being carried out,
Speaker 1: and it's just that there is an operation of people
Speaker 1: illegally producing and manufacturing driver's licenses in Omaha. Like Omaha
Speaker 1: is a big city, but it's not Chicago. It's because
Speaker 1: that there's some other operation going on that the federal
Speaker 1: government needs to look at and investigate. Because ev verifce
Speaker 1: work very good in Florida. Florida has a huge, hugely
Speaker 1: large amount of you verify, I think what the terminology was,
Speaker 1: but application is being processed through you verify. I think
Speaker 1: Florida is now the number one state under Governor Desantas.
Speaker 1: So it does work when it's being used correctly. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if it's being used correctly, and if
Speaker 1: there is, if it is an illegal system where they're
Speaker 1: producing fake driver's licenses, I think that's a separate obstacle
Speaker 1: to take. But as far as we're seeing in Florida,
Speaker 1: when you verify is being used properly, it's actually working.
Speaker 1: So I think that I think that more of this
Speaker 1: is about saving face for the plant, for the Glenn
Speaker 1: Valley Food Plant than it is about if the system
Speaker 1: is flawed. That's my answer. Hope you guys like it.
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