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Speaker 1: You're listening to Seahawks stories, teaking you behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: with your favorite Seahawks. Set back to behind, Zorn, who's

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Speaker 1: back to pass as time looks for the left sideline,

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Speaker 1: throws a bomb down there. He's got a man in front.

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Speaker 2: He makes the grab a travel at a thirty down

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Speaker 2: of the twenty.

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Speaker 1: They'll never get him.

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Speaker 2: He scores touched out.

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Speaker 2: Zorn Later then perfectly a Rabel who goes in to

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Speaker 2: score on an eighty yard pass and run play. Now,

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Speaker 2: here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve Raebol

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Speaker 2: and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn. Raves, was that your only play?

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Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say, Mike, is you know

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Speaker 1: Mike Homegrin is with us for a second goal around here.

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Speaker 1: We've already done one part to his interview. We've got

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Speaker 1: a second time with him now. And I think I

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Speaker 1: was almost kind of reading your mind, like, Okay, is

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Speaker 1: there another play that we can that we can airview?

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Speaker 1: Something anything like a little six yard out anything. Well,

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Speaker 1: I had heard you are more of a blocker and

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Speaker 1: I cleared out a lot. Yeah, I be that guy.

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Speaker 1: Who'd run that post that you weren't supposed to throw.

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Speaker 1: We talked about in the first episode. I was that

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Speaker 1: guy running down there to get that safety out of

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Speaker 1: the way.

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Speaker 3: Not only safety, but they had to doub well, they

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Speaker 3: had to double cover you. So you took two guys

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Speaker 3: with you, and everyone else caught.

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Speaker 1: Past, and Steve caught. He's in the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: for crying out. This is funny. Now. The other day,

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Speaker 1: we had our Thanksgiving game right here, and we were

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Speaker 1: talking about Thanksgiving games and I remembered we played in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty in Dallas on Thanksgiving Day.

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget the game.

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Speaker 1: It was like the third game in eleven days, and

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Speaker 1: we were just beat up. And there's a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of stories involved in that. But the way that game

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Speaker 1: started was they were going to roll up to Steve's

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Speaker 1: side and so they had the corner roll up in

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Speaker 1: his face safety over the top, so he's basically getting

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Speaker 1: double coverage and my side, the cornerback was just dropping

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Speaker 1: off like eight, ten, twelve yards. We threw about three

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Speaker 1: out routes until they finally said, well, listen, I guess

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Speaker 1: we can't do just let him stand out there. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to have to start, so they mixed it

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Speaker 1: up a little more rolled up. I never caught another

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Speaker 1: pass the rest of the day, the rest of the day,

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Speaker 1: but it was kind of funny for a moment there.

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Speaker 1: I saw what Steve would be up against every week,

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Speaker 1: and that is, you know, coverages, rolled up, linebackers rolling,

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Speaker 1: getting outside and getting up underneath him.

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Speaker 2: He would catch some games he would catch twelve balls

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Speaker 2: and the next game he'd catch two. Really because they'd

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Speaker 2: take it. They would just double him, and we had

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Speaker 2: him singled and things like motion helped.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny because in the previous episode

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Speaker 3: Jim was talking about how discipline the quarterback has to

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Speaker 3: be and it's all rhythm and timing. If memory serves

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Speaker 3: me correctly, he moved around a little bit, didn't he?

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Speaker 3: Would you talk about that a little bit?

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Speaker 1: Well, our whole offense after about the second year. I

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Speaker 1: think our offense was based on the sprint draw and

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Speaker 1: because Jim was so good at rolling out of the pocket.

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Speaker 1: He was a left hander, so he could throw to

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Speaker 1: his left side. The ball, contrary to what people say,

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Speaker 1: But that was part of the deal. And he and

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Speaker 1: and so Sherman would get the either get that deep

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Speaker 1: and then Jim rolls out and we based a lot

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Speaker 3: You know, on this on that action that he's talking about,

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Speaker 3: would you set up afterward or would you keep going?

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Speaker 2: We had both. I could set up, I could go,

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Speaker 2: I could give the ball, I could keep the ball,

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Speaker 2: and I could run naked. I could run the other way.

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Speaker 2: I coped go the other way, and I made I

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Speaker 2: told Jerry when we first started that series, I said,

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Speaker 2: And because I'm going to show you in practice and

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Speaker 2: the best passes I threw was against the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 2: one year. We beat you know, and you could run

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Speaker 2: wouldn't let me come towards the line of scrimmage because

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Speaker 2: he said, you have from your fate all the way

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Speaker 1: How important for you as a head coach to have

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Speaker 1: coaches like Jim And I'm thinking of your staff and

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Speaker 1: you had a bunch of guys who were really terrific

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Speaker 3: I think against everything. Yeah, you know, in Jim's case,

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Speaker 3: That's what you need, and that's what he was. And

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Speaker 3: because you see it now. There are a lot that

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Speaker 3: You get guys in there that it's not automatic. That

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Speaker 2: And I'd love to when he said that he would

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Speaker 2: And I thought he did a really good job of

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Speaker 2: at that moment, he would catch it on video. Hey,

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Speaker 2: what happened there? You know? There was a lot of

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Speaker 3: And Jim's when he mentioned the fact that he's left handed,

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Speaker 3: and he was great coiners left. But he told the

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Speaker 3: I can throw the same way. I was reminded, getting

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Speaker 3: Jerry Rice must have caught I don't know how many

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Speaker 3: the left, and it's a fast thing. You got to

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Speaker 3: There's a way to do that if you're right handed.

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Speaker 3: Some guys can do it, some guys can't. Brett Favre, No,

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Speaker 3: we got to try it because we're doing right handed

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Speaker 3: all the time. All of a sudden, Okay, we called

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Speaker 3: it in practice. He came out, threw it behind the

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Speaker 3: I said, okay, you all seen it. I never want

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Speaker 2: There's a there was a play and when he's talking about,

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Speaker 2: in a three by one formation. In the NFL, Mike

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Speaker 2: you know, the hashes are really wide, and there really

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Speaker 2: is a way to spread people out and not get

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Speaker 2: bunched in. Well, on the right hand, I'm still thinking

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Speaker 2: right hash. And so Mike calls this play we had.

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Speaker 2: It was it was four verticals called Dancer, and he

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Speaker 2: calls the formation into the boundary in the three receivers

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Speaker 2: are into Mike. Mike, Mike, and I'm on the phone

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Speaker 2: with him, Mike, you just called it into the boundary.

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Speaker 2: Flip it over, Jim, be quiet. He calls it into

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Speaker 2: the boundary. Matt drops back, and you know, the three

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Speaker 2: throws a touchdown pass from about the forty five yard line,

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Speaker 2: and I, you know, from that point on, I kept

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Speaker 2: where he was going to call, how he was going

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Speaker 2: to call the play, because he proved to me that

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Speaker 2: you know, in the NFL, the you know, there is

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Speaker 2: to spread people out. But he didn't care. He wanted

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Speaker 2: to throw to Matt's armside and it didn't matter to him,

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Speaker 2: called it and it was a touchdown. Well, shut me up.

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Speaker 3: And as this relates to our communication during the game,

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Speaker 1: I remember, I don't know if you do Jim. After

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Speaker 3: They're going to look at well loves that I thought.

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Speaker 3: instead of hurting him, you got to help him. You're

432
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 3: the owner. You got to help him be good. What

433
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: do you mean? And he got at, you know, says

434
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 3: he would. I said, you've had coaches, you've had You've

435
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: fired coaches every two years. It's not working. He's a

436
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: good man, he's a good coach. Help him, don't hurt him. Okay,

437
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 3: you know. And then that was it. But then listening

438
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: to Jim in his time there, and it was an

439
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: interesting time for him certainly, but it was it was

440
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 3: a tough organization. I'll let you speak to it, but

441
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: it was I think from Afar. I don't know how

442
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: they ran it, but it was a tough organization for

443
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: a coach, and it can be you can go in

444
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: a you can go in a place that it's going

445
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: to be hard, you know, and uh not everyone's the same.

446
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: Not every organization is the same.

447
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: And I and I had, uh you know, I was

448
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: I felt like I was ready to be the head

449
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: coach of the Redskins. And I would say this that

450
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: my rule of thumb was if I didn't have the answer,

451
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: if I didn't really know, I was going to revert

452
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: to what would Mike do? What would Mike do in

453
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: this situation? What would he How would he fashion this?

454
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: And so you know, I had a lot of things

455
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: that are you know, already in my mind how how

456
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: we could win. But when I when I struggled with

457
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: I just said, well it worked for Mike. And Mike

458
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: had developed the plans over the years, and I'm sure

459
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 2: he I didn't even I didn't know how many plans

460
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: he had thrown out or how many thoughts he had

461
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: thrown out, but I did know the ones that he

462
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: hung his hat on, and those are the things that

463
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: I tried to hang my hat on when I didn't

464
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: really have the answer, and a lot of the things

465
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: were already there. There are certain things that have to happen.

466
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was quite a thrill to be actually

467
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: making the decision on the direction of a team to

468
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: try to build a championship team. Yeah, that was a

469
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: thrill and I enjoyed that. I enjoyed it. I felt

470
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: like I was in my element.

471
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 3: You know what, you guys know this that a successful franchise.

472
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 3: You have a coach, and you have a general manager

473
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: typically and or a president, and then maybe an owner.

474
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 3: An owner everyone just kept except Green Bay. If that

475
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: group of people aren't shooting, aren't rowing the boat in

476
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 3: the same direction, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard enough

477
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: to to win the game. But if you go into

478
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: a situation where Okay, the general manager or the president

479
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: is I wouldn't do that, or he's telling the owner,

480
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: you know, he messed. You know, if you get a

481
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: situation like that, it's really really hard to win in

482
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: this league. You seen it too many organizations.

483
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: And I would say to add to that, Mike always

484
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: had wanted a healthy organization. You know, up front, this

485
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: is how we're going to do it, and that's how

486
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 2: we did it. There was no little side deals going on,

487
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: and that that was one of the things that I realized,

488
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: you know, if there was going to ever be a struggle,

489
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: it was because somebody took their own initiative to do

490
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 2: something different than the direction that we were going in.

491
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: And when that happens, Mike handled it right up front

492
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: right now. I mean he didn't he didn't wait for

493
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: the off season to clean things up. He was handling

494
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: things as they if they ever came. But it was

495
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: a really healthy situation to be here, the healthiest organization

496
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: that I'd ever been a part of. And I'd been

497
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: in some dysfunction, uh, beyond you know, beyond coaching here

498
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: in Seattle, I was, I was in some interesting situations.

499
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: Did you think that, Well, when it came to an end,

500
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: did you think, well, that's it now, I guess my

501
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: opportunity is is gone. Uh, you know, this may be

502
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: my my only chance to be a head coach. And

503
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: how how was that you you actually were able to

504
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: walk away from this opportunity here and you went off

505
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: to Cleveland and became president of the organization. But how difficult?

506
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

507
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: Was that? It was difficult? And I still feel that

508
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: I have unfinished business, you know. I I you know,

509
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: I feel like I should be able to uh. I

510
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't get bad just because I you know,

511
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: I got let go from from that particular team and

512
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: so but I did go to a couple other teams

513
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: that had some dysfunction. Uh And that was that made

514
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: it even more difficult to be thought of a guy

515
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: that had some steadiness, some some innovative stuff or some

516
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, some stuff that could work. Yeah, it was

517
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: that that was tough. So I still feel that way,

518
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: you know, in in in the football world, unfinished business.

519
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: You know. It's it's funny you you people ask me

520
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: on occasion, you one of the good things, what are

521
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: the bad things? What do you remember? Those types of things?

522
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: And our super Bowl against Pittsburgh. It's been a long

523
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 3: time since we played that game, you know. And for

524
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: the most part, yeah, it's it's you know, and then

525
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 3: every once in a while someone will talk, Oh, I

526
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: think the officials. I'll meet some guy in the airport

527
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: and somewhey, I'll come up and goes you know, I

528
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: don't think they handle it right. You got a raw deal,

529
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: Like when are you talking about the super Bowl in Pittsburgh.

530
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, but I'm over that now. But I'm

531
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: glad you brought it up, because now I'm going to

532
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: go rip apart from the book I was reading, you know,

533
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: So you don't you don't forget stuff. And if you're

534
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: if you have a lot of pride and and and

535
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: feel good about how you teach, how you coach, and

536
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: and confidence in your ability to get it done, and

537
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: then you get the feeling like I'm not they're not

538
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: letting me. For however that comes down, They're not letting me.

539
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: And you try and fight through it, fight through it,

540
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: you know. And I made this statement to you know

541
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: here near the end. There were a couple of times

542
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: near the end that and I've told this to people.

543
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: It's hard enough to win the game, the battle on

544
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: the field, that's it's that's hard, and you work hard.

545
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: If you're also fighting that battles in the building, it's

546
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: almost too much.

547
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Yeah, no, he's telling the truth.

548
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

549
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: One of the things it does is it shows us

550
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: the remarkable relationship between Pete Carroll and John Schneider. Absolutely

551
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: guys who have made it work. Now, this is what

552
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: fourteen years, I guess from the draft, through the free

553
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: agency and all that kind of stuff. But we also

554
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: don't see that kind of longevity anymore in this league.

555
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean on both sides of you know, general managers, coaches,

556
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: coaches get fired after a year less than a season.

557
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: Crazy, it's crazy, yeah, yeah, and that's not fair at all. No,

558
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: And you know, and actually firing people on your staff.

559
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: You know, I.

560
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: I hired people, they moved their families from point A

561
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: to come here. I always said, it's my obligation to

562
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: make that work. I brought him here. And if something,

563
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: if they're not, then you work with that person and

564
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: then try and fix it instead of just saying the

565
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: only the only group that I fired, I fired, you know,

566
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: Steve said, well, and that defensive staff. And Steve came

567
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: into me and said, Mike, you got to let me go.

568
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: I'm not helping you. And he was one of my

569
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: I loved him, but it was true. It was there

570
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: was a breakdown defensively and he came in and said,

571
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: I said, Steve, he goes no, no, no, you know, it's okay,

572
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: you gotta let me go. And so that otherwise otherwise

573
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't do that. But you see other

574
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: coaches that have done that with their staffs. They're always

575
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: turning people over and then now guys getting fired without

576
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: even finishing a year. Yeah, come on, I mean.

577
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, toughest decision you ever had to make as

578
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: a coach, oh boy, generally about probably about a player

579
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: that it was time to let go or something like that.

580
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: Maybe, Yeah, there we was. There was a few of them,

581
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: So I always thought because of how I reacted when

582
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: they I got cut.

583
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

584
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: You know, I was with the Cardinals and I really

585
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: had a good training camp and I said, I'm going

586
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: to make this finally, make make a team, make pros.

587
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: And I saw the coach coming towards me after our

588
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: last practice. The final cutdown day was that day, and

589
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: I go and I ran into the I ran into

590
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: the training room. I ran away from him, and he

591
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: started coming to the training room. I ran in the bathroom.

592
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: I mean he chased me around. He didn't run, but

593
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: he had to find me to tell me I was cut.

594
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: And so so whenever I had to do that with

595
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: a player that I knew had given me everything, that

596
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: was hard. So that was that was the least favorite

597
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: part of my job. Necessary and the players typically where

598
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: they understood, but it was still hard. Yeah.

599
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys, they come in young, and you know,

600
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: in many cases, this is their dream and this is

601
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: in many cases kind of all they have. This is

602
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: what they've hung their their young adult life on, is

603
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: to try to make it in the National Football League.

604
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: And somebody has to make that call. And unfortunately, along

605
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: with all of the accolades of being a head coach

606
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: for both of you guys, and being successful at what

607
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: you do, comes that difficult decision where you're deciding somebody's future.

608
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, right, and well, it must be difficult.

609
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: It is hard. But sometimes they don't see the player

610
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: doesn't see that they were just they were just glad

611
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: to be there, you know what I mean, And you're

612
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: cutting them and they don't they can't believe it. But

613
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: they're they're not up. They're not really going in the

614
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: same direction as as you were going. The hard part,

615
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: and I think Mike, Mike would say it is he

616
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 2: gave everything he had. He knew that he was gonna

617
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: be a great addition to this team, and then you

618
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: had to you had to let him go. Uh when

619
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: he had that right attitude that those are the guys

620
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: you're looking for too, that will say, Man, I want

621
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: to do anything. I'm going to do everything I can

622
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: do to help us win on this team or help

623
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: help us, you know, let me be a part of

624
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: this team, and then you let him go. That's the

625
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: harder part. The guys that are just hanger, you know,

626
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: the guys that are just there. Uh, they don't work

627
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: hard enough to be a pro at that time. And

628
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: the players know it, you know, they can see.

629
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: It, both of you, guys. To California kids, right to

630
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: California guys. You come up here, you as a player,

631
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: and then in your coaching career, Mike, you come up

632
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: here as a coach, and for the most part, yes,

633
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: going away to different places and worked and coached and

634
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: did all those things, and you end up coming back

635
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: up here. And a goodly deal of your families are

636
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: are here as well. What's that all about.

637
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 3: Well, it's a great place to live. I tell people

638
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: now that they didn't fire me so I could stay

639
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: in the city, you know. So but it you know,

640
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: and we're fortunate because well my kids are here, my

641
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: grandkids are here in the area, and so and and

642
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 3: people that I remember, we get we draft players from

643
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: Florida or Alabama or someplace and Seattle. I talked to

644
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: them on the phone Seattle, and honest to goodness, I

645
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: think some of them you look at a map and

646
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: they say Seattle is there, and they go, oh, my goodness,

647
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: that's no, that's Alaska. No, that's Seattle. You know. And

648
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: so but then when you get up here, even for

649
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: a California kid, you know, it will rains a lot.

650
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: I hear people down there tell me all the storm,

651
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: it rains a lot. I said, it's good. We keep

652
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 3: the riff raft. We keep the people out of there.

653
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: You know.

654
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: Don't like the rain, no, But it's the trees, the water,

655
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: the people. You fall in love with the place, I think.

656
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 3: And so you know, I never I never thought about

657
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: coaching in Seattle or Seattle very much. But then you

658
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: get to know the place, and it's been good for me,

659
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: and the people were great to us and our family,

660
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: and I'm fortunate to have my kids up here.

661
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: Now you're always going to be Jim Zorn, that first

662
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Seattle Seahawks franchise. That's I mean, that's

663
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: really something to hang your hat on, you know, Yoda

664
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: all that he did Hall of Fame deserves it all

665
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: great credit and all that. There's only one first quarterback

666
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: of a franchise. How have you carried that all these

667
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: years with you? And what's it meant to you? The family,

668
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: they're all up here as well.

669
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in the beginning, and you can, you

670
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: can relate to this. The fans were so great to us,

671
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: still are obviously, but and I think it's the it's

672
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: the attitude of the twelfth the twelves that make it

673
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: really special or you know, they they remember us for what,

674
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, for whatever reason. And I don't know how

675
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: many young people know that you were a star wide

676
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: receiver for the Seahawks unless you say it every every

677
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: time you go, you get on the radio, Hey remember me,

678
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: But you don't. And yet you are, you know you

679
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: Steve Rabel. I think you could say the same thing.

680
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: They think of you and they think synonymous Seattle Seahawks.

681
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: But I would say it's the fans that we used

682
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: to walk in, yeah with we had the Kingdome. Well,

683
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: when we came in to the parking lot, we just

684
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: parked with the fans. You know, Hey, how's it going, Jim,

685
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: Hey have a great game? Yeah, hey, thanks, and you're

686
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: just walking in with the fans. Uh do you have

687
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: your ticket? And I'm one of the players. Okay, you know, go.

688
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: We didn't even have the closest spots to the gate

689
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: to get into the stadium. Those were like first season

690
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: ticket olders. We parked out in that lot back there,

691
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: and we got four or five of us walking in

692
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: and people just walking with.

693
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: Us, and it was it was great. I hope you

694
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: played well today. Oh we do too. Yeah.

695
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: Well, I was spoiled because obviously I had my own spot,

696
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: and I had a police escort to the game and

697
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 3: all that stuff. And then when I broadcast games there, Yeah,

698
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: I'm in, I'm out in the North forty parking. I go,

699
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: what happened in my parking spot? Yeah, what happened? I

700
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: come over here to do this thing today, just to

701
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: kind of where do I park? There's thousands of cars there.

702
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: I got to you know, I remember we did a

703
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: game at the LA Coliseum, you and I and uh

704
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: we uh we had to park way the hell away

705
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: from that kind of entrance where you got up to

706
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: the press box. They're the older press box.

707
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

708
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: And I remember us schlepping across the parking lot, and

709
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm watching Mike. This is this is not

710
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: what Mike has No you had over there.

711
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 3: Get spoiled. You get spoiled.

712
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: That bus would drop us off right there at the

713
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: top of that tunnel, and you just get right in

714
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: and you're in the front seat of the bus. And

715
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: when you're when you sit down, you point and here

716
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: we go.

717
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: No, I know I.

718
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: Would say this that. And today, you know, the players

719
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: have a different way to park and you know, you know,

720
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: coaches have a different way to do it. There's a

721
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: little more everything's secured in private and all that kind

722
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: of stuff. But the fans still appreciate the Hawks much

723
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: the same way as they did when when we played.

724
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a different you know, it's a different way.

725
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: They used to put up posters and they might put

726
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: a little color, you know, they might wear Seahawk colors,

727
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: but not full outfits and and alter egos face right,

728
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot of alter egos out there today and

729
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: they are just as enthusiastic about the Hawks as the

730
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: things were when we play. You can see it, you

731
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: can see it in their faces.

732
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Do you get to many games, Mike, No, I don't.

733
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: I really don't. I And I'll tell you. One of

734
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: the things is I love the team. I watch it

735
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: on television. I got to talk about it during the week.

736
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: But the radio station that I worked for, they had

737
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: a game where you had they invited donor big money people.

738
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: They want me there to say a load of people.

739
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: So Kathy and I went. So we're in a box.

740
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: It was the first time I had been in a

741
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 3: box or come back since I coached.

742
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: It was a few years.

743
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: And so I'm in the box, I'm talking to people,

744
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: and I hear there's big roar and Pete coming up.

745
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: Pete Pete is coming out on the field and there

746
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: people are going crazy. And then I go. I go

747
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: to Kathy, I go, they never did that for me.

748
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: She goes, yes they did, Yes they did. I go,

749
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: they did. I'd walk I don't know where I was

750
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: when I'd walk out on the field, but I was.

751
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: I was. I was focused and I didn't even hear

752
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: any of that stuff. So but then I realized. What

753
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: I realized is that I can be in one of

754
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 3: those boxes, lux of nice box, flood and all that stuff,

755
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: and you're you're watching the game. But I so much

756
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 3: more enjoyed being down on the field that that, uh,

757
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: someone else can do it, and you know I can

758
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: just I can watch it.

759
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: You know.

760
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: It was great, a great moment last year when both

761
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: you and Matthew went in and then Sean later in

762
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: the season went into the Ring of Honor, and so

763
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: I get the honor of being the guy down there

764
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: on stage to kind of introduce you guys, and it

765
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: was just such a treat. I mean, going back to

766
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: the first days I was there, when Pete was inducted

767
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: into the Ring of Honor two days before he died,

768
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: and so to see all these guys and then finally it,

769
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, it took a little, but finally to get

770
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 1: you up there and Matthew up there, it was just great.

771
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: I hope you had an opportunity to really feel the

772
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: fans that night, because they were, at least from what

773
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: I could hear, they were at the top of their game.

774
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: They were really grateful to you and your staffs, Jim included,

775
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: for being a part of this community for so long

776
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: and for doing what you did for the CEO.

777
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: Well, I can't tell you how much that meant to

778
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: me and or my family, you know, and I'd go

779
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: to games. I see Jim's names up there. There are

780
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: famous people up there. You know, I said, how cool

781
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: would that be? How cool would that be? And then

782
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: when we finally got to do it, and then you

783
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: were the one that gave it to me, you know,

784
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: because we have a history as well, it was just special.

785
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: It was really special, and I could feel it from

786
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 3: the fans. And this year I got some tickets for

787
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: one of my grandsons for his birthday. They came to

788
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: a game and they sent me a picture. You know,

789
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 3: everyone's got phones they can take I have a phone

790
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: with a camera. I don't know how to do it,

791
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: but and they were right underneath that the Ring of

792
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 3: honor name there and that that's pretty cool. Yeah when

793
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: your grandkids think, look at that's my grandfather.

794
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

795
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: So no special.

796
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: And you know, Mike's been on this list of Hall

797
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: of Fame opportunity for coaches, and you know, I'm excited

798
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: because I don't think he's finished yet with any of

799
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: the football stuff that has gone on over the years,

800
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: because he's been a great coach here, great coach in

801
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: Green Bay. I'm sure he talked Bill Walsh off the

802
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: ledge a few times. In some of their plights, but

803
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: you know, he's done so much for the national football legue,

804
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't know that he was

805
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: on the Competition Committee, And I tried my darnedist because

806
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: I knew you were you had been on it. I

807
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: wanted to be on the competition committee because there's too

808
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: many defensive coaches that have injected their will. But I

809
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: always remember Mike being on the Competition Committee and trying

810
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: to keep the integrity of the game, the game itself, well,

811
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: like what what's this game really all about? And I

812
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: always felt like he had that in mind. And I

813
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: think he obviously deserves to be in the Hall of

814
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: Fame and will be because of some of the you know,

815
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: on the field antics he's had, the successes he's had,

816
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: but also off the field, just being able to keep

817
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: the integrity of the game well, uh, you know, he

818
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: protects it, or he protected it while he was there,

819
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, well deserved and will we'll probably

820
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: be there at some point.

821
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: Well, Jim, I appreciate that. I can't tell you how

822
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: much that means to me, but it was funny on

823
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 3: the competition committee in those days. You know, Shula was there.

824
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: George Young was there, who ran the Giants forever they

825
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: had they had and they were who was the rookie

826
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: coming in. I'm on the committee for a long time,

827
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 3: but I thought that was our job. What you mentioned,

828
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: the integrity of the game between the lines, the football

829
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: side of it. I think it's changed just a little bit.

830
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: I remember we go to meetings for a couple of

831
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: weeks someplace and bang out all these things talk about

832
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: before you presented it at the league meetings. And the

833
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 3: commissioner at the time was Paul Taglibu. He would come

834
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: for three days and sit there and might say say

835
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: a few things about the European leaguers something like that,

836
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: but he stayed away for the football stuff and I

837
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: appreciate that with him, and I think, now that's not

838
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: the way it is. Yeah, that's I think commissioner. I

839
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: think Roger comes in and he did it a little

840
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: bit with my last couple of years when I was

841
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: with Cleveland. He come to me and say, Mike, I

842
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: need you to vote this way on this, and I go, Roger,

843
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: I can't, you know, I can't do it. And it

844
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 3: would be like the Senate. Well, all of a sudden,

845
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: the guys get in little corners and they start going, well,

846
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 3: you vote for this, I'll vote for this, but I

847
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: couldn't do it. And the commission now and and other

848
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 3: people are really involved in some of the decisions that

849
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: are being made, and that's that's that's a change. But again, listen,

850
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: for those of you tuned in, I'm old and it was,

851
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 3: and I'm that was. That's an old coach talking right there.

852
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: We've got a minute left, so I want to give

853
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: everybody one quick opportunity. Uh and I will take the

854
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: bait here and start about the importance of that person

855
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: beside us who's been with us in all of our lives.

856
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: For you, it's Joy for you, it's Kathy for me

857
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: at Sharon, how important it is to have that support

858
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: because what we've all done mean more in the way

859
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: more in the broadcast, you guys, in the coaching end

860
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: of things. But it takes a lot of time away

861
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: from family, the travel and all that stuff, eating sushi

862
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: when you don't want sushi. For Kriyanella, I just I

863
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: can't begin to ever thank her enough. And what's fun

864
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: is she's gotten to know Kathy really well. She's gotten

865
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: no joy from back in our days as being kids,

866
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: and it's great to have those kind of relationships after

867
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: all these years and all that stuff that's happened over time.

868
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they don't even worry about whether they don't

869
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: see each other or communicate because they know exactly. They

870
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 2: definitely know. And there's the ultimate respect for especially because

871
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: Joy was an assistant coach, assistant coach's wife, and she

872
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: had the ultimate respect for Kathy because she was the

873
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: head coach's wife and a lot of the things that

874
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: she tried to do in Washington when I was the

875
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: head coach was exactly what Kathy had done and modeled

876
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: for her. And there's a lot of strong you have

877
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: to be independent. I think to be a spouse of

878
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: a football coach, you have to be strong, capable of

879
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: handling a lot of things around the house and outside

880
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: the house, and then have enough gumption to say, what

881
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: are you doing, Jim, what is this all about? When

882
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: you come home? And I think she's instilled that not

883
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: only of Joy, is instilled that attitude within our children

884
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: as well, and they're strong in some of the things

885
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: that they do. And they say, I don't think anybody

886
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: wishes the Redskins win now the commanders, because hey, you

887
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: didn't you know, my dad should still be there. What

888
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: are you guys talking about? You know? And so the fan,

889
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: the fan in them comes out, but the strength comes

890
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: out because of our because of our wives.

891
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 3: There's no question. Kathy. I always say this to people.

892
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: She saved me because we've been married now fifty two years.

893
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: And I was kind of a knucklehead in college. I

894
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: was a wild child and she was the missionary. Unfortunately,

895
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 3: you know, she married me. That's that's the important part.

896
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: But you know what for the story that people might

897
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: not know. You know, I was the head coach for

898
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: twenty five years in the league, and the first couple

899
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: of years in Green Bay, on Mondays, she'd get pretty sick, Kathy,

900
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 3: and we couldn't figure out what it was. And then

901
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: she saw somebody and then that doctor had her psychologist

902
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: and it was the football. She'd cared so much about

903
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: it that on Mondays, particularly if we lost the game,

904
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: she was sat in the stands and all this kind

905
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: of stuff in Green Bay, and they say, how do

906
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: we do this? Then I don't want you sick all

907
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: the time. She goes and the doctor said, well, you

908
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: can't watch the games, you can't go. And so for

909
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 3: the last twenty two years she was never at a game,

910
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: and she'd come and sit in our box. She'd come

911
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: and sit in our box. The players would come on,

912
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: she'd route them on yell and then she'd leave. She'd

913
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: go get a ferry, go over to Widby Gore in

914
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: Green Bay. She'd go down to a theater, the only

915
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: one in the theater, and things like that. So she

916
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: has been unbelievable that way, but still enjoyed all this stuff.

917
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: Was firm. Now we sit around and the kids go,

918
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: do you remember when so and so did this? And

919
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: and Cathy goes, yeah, that was so good. I go,

920
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: when did that happen? And the typical line she says

921
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: it all the time. Oh, you were at training camp,

922
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: that's her line. You were at training camp that you

923
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: missed it. So but listen, we're all very fortunate. I

924
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: know both your wives they're stars, as is my young bride.

925
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 3: So we're very lucky.

926
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you said, we outkicked our coverage and then some.

927
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: I'll just never forget one of the opening times Sharon

928
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: and I. Let's see, we had just been married like

929
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: three months, two months we were playing somebody in the

930
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: Kingdom preseason game and I had that collapse lung. I

931
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: got thrown off the field. The guy decides to put it,

932
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: hold the marker up and put his body behind it

933
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: rather than drop it.

934
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: So I go flying.

935
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: Into this thing and it hit me in the side,

936
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: ended up collapsing my lung. So they take me to

937
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: the hospital. They sent the Seahawks sent somebody up into

938
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: the stands to find Sharon, and she was there with

939
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: her stepdad. So they brought them to the hospital where

940
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: I was in the process of having a chest tube set.

941
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: When you have a collapse lung, you know, so they

942
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: have to kind of cut open between your ribs and

943
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So she's walking down the hall and

944
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: she hears me scream a couple of really nasty words

945
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: at the top of my lung. You me, And she

946
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: didn't turn around and leave, and she she stayed right

947
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: there with me. Ands same as Jim. Forty two years

948
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: we've been we've been together, and the same thing, you know,

949
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: something stupid happens to me and she's she's right there.

950
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, guys. We couldn't have done this

951
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: without them. So and in fact, I left the house

952
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: today early to come and do this, and chance you're

953
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: gonna leave early just to go talk to them. I said, well, yeah,

954
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of a big deal. She said, Okay,

955
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: we'll tell them hello. So you've been told hello. And

956
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: for all of you out there, we hope you have

957
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: enjoyed this. I know we could sit around and in fact,

958
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: I know you guys have had breakfast a couple of

959
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: times recently and for twenty years, you and I have

960
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: talked about, hey, let's get the gals and we'll go

961
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: to dinner. We're gonna do that, or at the very least,

962
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to join you guys for breakfast and that'll

963
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: become my breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner, midnight snack because we'll

964
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: just sit around just like this, I know, and tell stories.

965
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: It is terrific. Jim, I get to see you every week.

966
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: Michael.

967
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: It's great to see you again, and I hope to

968
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: see much more of you as we save as we

969
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: have time.

970
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: This has been special. Thank you both of you.

971
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: Well, we have fun doing this and thanks to all

972
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: of you out there. We're going to keep doing it.

973
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: I hope. NASA, our producer is shaking his head. So

974
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: obviously there's seven or eight people who are listening, uh

975
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: not probably our wives.

976
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: But at some point they hopefully they won't be voting.

977
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: That's that's right, if they vote.

978
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Thanks to all of you, we'll see you next time.

979
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: On Seahawks Stories, this has been one of the great

980
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: ones right here with z Man and Mike Holmgren. Take

981
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: care