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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how

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Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can

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Speaker 2: I kind of want.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Marty Jertsen. We have made it twenty twenty five, year

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Speaker 2: three of the podcast, and with the new year comes

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Speaker 2: some very new and exciting equipment.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Shane. And we're gonna start with my favorite category,

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Speaker 3: which is the driver category. It's the most you know,

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Speaker 3: not quite a hot take anymore, I don't think, but

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Speaker 3: it is the most important club in the bag, you know,

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Speaker 3: the driver in the putter. And yeah, we're gonna have

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Speaker 3: some fun with this one, Marty. The driver's been so

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Speaker 3: close to you throughout your career. I know you said

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Speaker 3: it's obviously one of your favorite clubs and one of

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Speaker 3: your favorite clubs to talk about. But when something like

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Speaker 3: this launches, where's your excitement level?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Super high? Because I think consumers and you know our

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Speaker 3: listeners out there are always wondering, well, what can Ping

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Speaker 3: do next? What can the manufacturers do next, and we're

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Speaker 3: gonna be able to kind of deep dive that here

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Speaker 3: today with doctor Eric Henderson.

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Speaker 1: Eric is with us. Is this your second appearance on

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Speaker 1: the pod? Second time on Okay? Weel learn some from

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Speaker 1: my first Go Good Go.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk G four forty because obviously that is

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Speaker 2: the new product with Ping, and before we get into

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask both you guys, how do you

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Speaker 2: where does G four forty come from? Marty?

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Speaker 3: Well, G G G kind of originally evolved from I,

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Speaker 3: Then we created G out of that, right, and then

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Speaker 2: And from their card you got to make sure you

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Speaker 2: add enough numbers. How long is the meeting Eric about

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask Eric when when product becomes official?

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we're launching and now people at home

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I mean the process, I mean,

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Speaker 1: We we have kind of this two year life cycle,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean it comes down to implementing the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's two ways. So we talk a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So ultimately these features we first put them on

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Speaker 1: And that's that's another example of one of those trade

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Speaker 1: that sound, it could definitely influence how they perform, right.

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Speaker 3: your soul, you know what I mean? Shane, Well, what's interesting, Marty?

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Speaker 2: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But I remember

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Speaker 3: How have we expanded and built upon, you know, our

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Speaker 3: Eric, I think it's fun just to look from the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know I talked about this discretionary weight.

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Speaker 2: Marty co this is the thinnest face of a driver

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's uh, it's it's fun. I think a

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So a lot of it is uses finance element analysis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, save a little weight from the face as well.

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Speaker 3: S This is this is why the driver is so fun,

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Speaker 3: It is one gram is is worth everything. As a designer,

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Speaker 3: So it's a great chance if you haven't been fit

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Speaker 3: up in. But with that playing a little bit less loft,

438
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Speaker 3: they're even experimenting with a little bit longer lengths. We've

439
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Speaker 3: seen this with the likes of Victor and Joaquin Neman right,

440
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Speaker 3: going a little bit longer. They're seeing higher ball speeds

441
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Speaker 3: picking up two sticks and ball speeds are the the

442
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Speaker 3: one to two punch from the tour feedback so far.

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Speaker 2: And the tour influence in terms of that is of

444
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Speaker 2: a new driver. I mean, are they telling you stuff

445
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Speaker 2: about four thirty they like and maybe don't love that

446
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Speaker 2: you guys will listen to and put into four forty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are most discerning, kind of detail

448
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Speaker 1: oriented of customers, and so we're constantly.

449
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Speaker 2: Getting got a golf So yeah, yeah, I know what

450
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Speaker 2: they're doing, and.

451
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Speaker 1: So we get that feedback directly. We get that from

452
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Speaker 1: our tour reps, and that's you know, every time we're

453
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Speaker 1: looking at, you know, a driver design, we're kind of

454
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Speaker 1: outlining those those problems, those trade offs are trying to

455
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Speaker 1: break and take it into account, the tour feedback, the

456
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Speaker 1: feedback of the everyday golfer, and and some of that's

457
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Speaker 1: going to be weighted more toward the different models, right

458
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Speaker 1: depending on who they're geared for. But obviously they're a

459
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Speaker 1: huge influence and player in terms of their feedback and

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Speaker 1: what we decide to go tackle as engineers and the

461
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Speaker 1: trade offfs we're looking to break. On the innovation side.

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Speaker 2: Well, Marty, I mean the models is so important. I

463
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Speaker 2: mean you think about, you know, the old introduction of

464
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Speaker 2: new drivers and here's your new driver. I mean this

465
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Speaker 2: is the head and we'll try to fit it for you,

466
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Speaker 2: and we'll also try to fit it for the number

467
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Speaker 2: five player in the world. I mean, now, obviously there

468
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Speaker 2: are options which are extremely helpful because the seven year

469
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Speaker 2: old player that maybe hits it two twenty can fit

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Speaker 2: into a model that maybe Victor Hoblin's not into.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And as Eric said, we put a premium

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Speaker 3: specifically on the LST for the PGA tour player to

473
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Speaker 3: kind of ent our LPGA staff because it's such a

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Speaker 3: high percentage of the usage is that low spin head

475
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Speaker 3: out on the tour, So you're gonna see the LST

476
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Speaker 3: be a little smaller profile at address. It's got a

477
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Speaker 3: little more domed crown to it, so it feels a

478
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Speaker 3: little more you can say, maybe bulbous or rounded in

479
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: the playing position. Really try to optimize what we call

480
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 3: the resting face angle or the face angle that you

481
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Speaker 3: when you set the driver down. The tour players obviously

482
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Speaker 3: very kind of sensitive to that aspect. Obviously the acoustics

483
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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: Big question for me personally, Marty, the thrivers still in play,

485
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Speaker 2: can we still thrive for the four forty I mean,

486
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Speaker 2: you introduced me to it.

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Speaker 3: I got mine in the back, Okay, I got mine

488
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Speaker 3: in the back.

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Speaker 2: Say so, what is your set up? Which driver? Which

490
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Speaker 2: driver head? Did you go with a big boy?

491
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Speaker 3: The twelve with the big Boy? Yeah, twelve max?

492
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: Okay, twelve max for the thriver and then your main driver?

493
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Speaker 2: Did you go longer as well?

494
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Speaker 3: I went longer? Yeah, so I went from forty five

495
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Speaker 3: and three quarter to forty six inches with the shaft

496
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Speaker 3: I use uh you pick up some speed too, yes, yeah,

497
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Speaker 3: added ball speed. I didn't increase my swing weight, so

498
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Speaker 3: I kept my head weight. Did get a little bit

499
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Speaker 3: lighter because I went a little bit longer at length

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Speaker 3: and then forty six inches max nine degree. I went

501
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Speaker 3: down and loft about a degree and a half. So

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Speaker 3: I'm playing it in the big minus uh at forty

503
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Speaker 3: six inches, So I'm getting a lot of dynamic loft

504
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: in a little bit more club at speed, which is

505
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 3: good CG shifter in the fade position, and uh so

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Speaker 3: far loving it. Especially the sound very incentivizing. I think

507
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Speaker 3: that that's kind of a you know, we've talked about

508
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Speaker 3: a little bit, but when you when you do have

509
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Speaker 3: that really good acoustics, it does kind of free you

510
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Speaker 3: up to swing it harder.

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Speaker 2: And the acoustics are so important for players. It's so funny. Again,

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's something you would put number

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Speaker 2: one on your list. Maybe tour players would put it

514
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Speaker 2: higher on their list, but it's so important in terms

515
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: of like your relationship with a golf club is, like,

516
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: does it sound good? I mean even you know, I

517
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: mean we've talked about putters throughout the years, Marty, I

518
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: mean even putter sound. I mean so massively important for

519
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 2: the feel of the player and really getting a feel

520
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: for how that thing performs for you personally, and your

521
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: sound might be off from somebody else's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. A lot of different materials

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00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: in this driver ic we got an aluminum trajectory tuning sleeve, right,

524
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Speaker 3: seventy seventy five high strength aluminum. Tell us a little

525
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Speaker 3: bit about the two Titanum alloys that are used in

526
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Speaker 3: the in the driver head we talked about we talked

527
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Speaker 3: about the carbon fly wrap. Let's talk a little bit

528
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Speaker 3: about the face and body.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so body's eight one to one cast titanium, and

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Speaker 1: then the face is our ten nine S plus alloy.

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Speaker 1: And so that's not all that we've been using and

532
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: having a lot of success with. Let's say alloy used

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Speaker 1: on the four thirty and we're continuing that through on

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Speaker 1: the four forty. Just gives a really good mix of

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Speaker 1: weight and some called modulus which is kind of how

536
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Speaker 1: how the material bends right, and so a good mix

537
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: of strength and weight and modulus that again we've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of success with and yeah, players will see

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Speaker 1: the advantage of that in the four forty.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the nine degree SFT, and I know that's

541
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Speaker 2: been a big, big point of interest in terms of

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Speaker 2: the four forty. Why that introduction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a that's a new one for us,

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Speaker 1: offering that s FT and the nine degree loft, And

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Speaker 1: I think it's been really cool to see golf welcome

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Speaker 1: a lot of new players and and uh, and we've

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Speaker 1: actually seen a lot of people coming over, athletes from

548
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: other sports coming over and taking up the game of golf.

549
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: And so you know, they have clubhead speed, but they

550
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Speaker 1: could really benefit from something that can help, you know,

551
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: promote more of a draw trajectory fight to fade. And

552
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Speaker 1: so you know with the nine degree offering for those

553
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: higher clubheads, be players that need that need that type

554
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: of model offering in a little bit lower loft. Can

555
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: it kind of keep the spin down and I think

556
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: really unlock a good fitting option in the fitting environment

557
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: here at the proven grounds and out out of various

558
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: accounts for that type of player you're coming into the game,

559
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: have clubhead speed, but really want to, you know, help

560
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: help fight the fade and promote a draw.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the things I'm always excited about

562
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: our our product is that you can kind of the

563
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: adjustability with both the trajectory tuning sleeve and the CG shifter.

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00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: You're not stuck, you know, let's say you do. You are,

565
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 3: you know, someone just getting into the game. You fit

566
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: into the nine s ft, you got the CG shifter

567
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: way over there in the draw plus and you start

568
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: getting better at golf, your path gets a little bit better. Uh,

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00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: you can adjust it. You can turn the loft down

570
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Speaker 3: a little bit. If you need to reduce your spin

571
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: a little bit, you can move that CG shifter more

572
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: more towward. And that that's an added benefit of having

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Speaker 3: all the adjustability and all the different model.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Marty, I mean it's been such a point of

575
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: interest throughout the history of ping, is being able to

576
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: fit a golf club for you specifically, and you just

577
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: think about the way that has changed over the last

578
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: couple of decades in terms of actually putting that in

579
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: the player's hands as well. I mean, you go get fit.

580
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: You obviously have a club that makes the most sense

581
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: for you, but we change I mean, we pick up speed,

582
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: maybe the golf swing gets a little bit more tuned.

583
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: You have an instructor that you're working with. Now all

584
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're able to change that club as well.

585
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: And it feels like it feels like this driver more

586
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: than any that I've seen, have those options. You pick

587
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: up a club and then you can change it multiple

588
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: ways as your golf game changes.

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00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've gotten more efficient in the execution. So

590
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: all three of the positions of the CG shifter, so

591
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: whether you have it in the fade or the draw,

592
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: are all now higher inertia, so they're all more forgiving.

593
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: Right we first came out with it, if you put

594
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: it in the toe or you put it in the heel,

595
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: your inertia would drop a little bit. Right now it

596
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: still drops a teeny bit, but all those positions have

597
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: been elevated. The trajectory tuning sleeve. Again, it's one of

598
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 3: those things where when we first were looking to do it,

599
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: it was it was hard to pull it off in

600
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: a way that didn't add a lot of weight or

601
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: wasn't really bad to the aerodynamic performance. So it's easy

602
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: to take those things for granted, but those are a

603
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: big benefit to the golfer to be able to make

604
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: some little fine tune adjustments. And Andrew clubfitter out there.

605
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: Eric, is this like a stressful week for you when

606
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: clubs launch and you get to kind of introduce something

607
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: to the world or has that stress already happened, you know,

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00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: a month.

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00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: So that stress came a while back.

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Speaker 2: I now past that, your exits past.

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Speaker 1: It's very exciting to then be able to kind of,

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00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, all that stress leading to you know, a product,

613
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: being able to kind of start to talk about it

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00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: and let the world see it. It's super exciting for

615
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: the entire team, right everybody's itching to get it in

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00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: their own bag and be able to talk to it,

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Speaker 1: you know, talk to people about all the hard work

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00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: they put into the product. And so this is an

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Speaker 1: exciting season for everybody when we get to introduce the

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Speaker 1: world to the new G line.

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Speaker 2: Eric, Always appreciate your time. Always appreciate when you're a

622
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: guest on the podcast and always appreciate your work on

623
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Speaker 2: these golf clubs best drivers in the game, so thanks

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00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: so much, happy to be you. This is fun. Eric

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Speaker 2: Henrickson the doc. This is the Pink Proven Grounds podcast