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Speaker 1: Now back in the heart of the.

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Speaker 2: Midwest, Chicago, Illinois, Dan Rubinstein, Sir, welcome back to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: How goes it? It goes well? And it maybe it

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Speaker 1: uh to sort of plot out our off season and

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Speaker 2: A Big ten power. Yeah, and we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit about that. On today's episode, ESPN dropped a

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Speaker 1: I have nothing to add there. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: So the way that they conducted their polling and put

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Speaker 2: ESPN polled its college football reporters, asking them to rank

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Speaker 2: You're right, Carson Beck was number one on this list,

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing too, with the list like this,

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Speaker 2: be a slot receiver somewhere in the league.

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Speaker 1: I watched him absolutely shred Oregon, and from that moment

434
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: on I said, would love to have a Lad mcconkee

435
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: on the roster, would love.

436
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: To have a Kopay on that one. Carson Beck belongs

437
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: in this club. You don't necessarily need to have that

438
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: defining characteristic, I think in order to be part of

439
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: this club, especially especially in twenty twenty four. You know,

440
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: he's going to still have an incredible cast characters around him.

441
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 2: He's only going to get better. What I think we

442
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: both would like to see more of from Carson Beck

443
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: is him being given the keys to the offense a

444
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: little bit more. Because they ran in a lot last season.

445
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: They need to rely on Carson Beck's arm, and there

446
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: were moments last season when they did and he was very,

447
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: very good in that moment. So I think he's number

448
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: one on this list. We're let can you play the music?

449
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna let him through. Obviously he goes through.

450
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: Thank you, yeah, of course. So here here's the thing

451
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: about Carson Beck though, and we talked about this heading

452
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: into the season, and it's sort of seemed true of

453
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: Georgia during the season. You look at the defenses played,

454
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: you can go through them one by one. Auburn's was feisty.

455
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: Had a good game against Auburn good maybe not? Yeah,

456
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: he had a good game. Missoo good game Bama to

457
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: get into the playoff a playing game for Georgia because

458
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: of the the road that they were, they were on

459
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Speaker 1: that they needed to win that game. Didn't have an

460
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: incredible game against Alabama. So I think that's the like,

461
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: we have to see this right when they when there

462
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: are limited opportunities to show out against a strong NFL

463
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: filled defense, what do you do? Carson Beck? Good, pretty good,

464
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: but didn't take over that game? Okay, and they were

465
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: beat up along the offensive line. There are obviously issues

466
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: MIM's left early on in that game, but his starting

467
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: right tackle. But that's the only thing is just like, okay,

468
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: the brightest of lights, what does Carson Beck look like?

469
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 2: Here are the other names on this top ten list,

470
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: And I want you as the bouncer to stop me

471
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: if I rattle off a name that does not belong Okay,

472
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: VIPs number two, Dylan Gabriel. Oregon belongs, and I think

473
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: a lot of that is the company that he's in

474
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: line with to get into the club, because Oregon looks

475
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: to be pretty stacked on offense and the defense will

476
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 2: do him, will put him in a lot of good positions.

477
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, given his experience, given his ceiling which is

478
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: pretty high, even though his own physical ceiling is pretty low,

479
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: that he is, you know, probably five to ten.

480
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he belongs in the VIP, especially compared against this class.

481
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would vote him number one.

482
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: Number one quarterback in the country heading into the air.

483
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Speaker 2: I would absolutely put Dylan Gabriel in.

484
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: Is that because of what he's done as a college quarterback.

485
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: He's also older, right, He's older, I mean physically.

486
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: If you want to talk about maybe Carson Becker not

487
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: having this prototypical Cam Newton Joe Milton physical side to him,

488
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel is tiny by comparison, and he is an

489
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: injury concern. But just given again the supporting cast and

490
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 2: what he's done already, Dylan Gabriel will be number one

491
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: for me.

492
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: But well, you've talked about a pop gun arm with

493
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: him in the past. I know, I know, he throws

494
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: a good but perhaps delayed DePaul Right, it hangs up there.

495
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: He's accurate.

496
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: He's my number one.

497
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: He's seem smart and look he's gonna be throwing to

498
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: who Tedes Johnson and Evan Stewart. He's gonna behind a

499
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: pretty experienced offensive line. Tight end is back. They're in

500
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: good shape at running back like he is. He is

501
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: in position. I think he has the opportunity from sort

502
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: of the outset of the season. They have what Boise

503
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: State early on, Oregon State early on, like he has

504
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: enough decent opponent and it's like almost immediately established himself

505
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: as the best quarterback in the country.

506
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: Right.

507
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: Number three is Quinn Ewers. Yeah.

508
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: Number four is Jalen Milroe. Number five, We've got Noah Fafida,

509
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: Number six, Jackson Dart seven, Jalen Daniels from Kansas, eight,

510
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders, Colorado, nine, cam Rising, Utah, ten cam Ward Miami.

511
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: So they also included here in others receiving vote category,

512
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: which included Brady Cook, Riley Leonard, will Howard now of

513
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Will Howard, Garrett Green of West Virginia, Nico

514
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: from Tennessee, Caden Salter from Liberty dju Florida State, Jackson

515
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: Arnold Oklahoma, Connor Wegman, Texas A and m My Guy,

516
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: Our Guy, Kyron Drones Virginia Tech. And Will Rogers at Washington.

517
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: So of the remains eight names after Dylan Gabriel, are

518
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: there any names on this list that you see and

519
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: they throw up a red flag?

520
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a ceiling list. Jalen Daniels has just

521
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: been super hurt for like every you know, he's missing

522
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: a ton of time. Was it back issues, back situations

523
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: for Jalen Daniels, But at his best, he's absolutely worthy

524
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: of being on this list. I think the last two

525
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a cam factor for me, Cam Rising

526
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: and cam Ward. I think cam Ward is a ceiling

527
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: player and at quarterback, I just want to see what

528
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 1: your ninth best throw looks like. And you know his

529
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: first four are great, But I don't know cam Ward

530
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: at Miami, it doesn't strike me. I think he tried

531
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: to get an NFL grade that would lead to him

532
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: leaving and he didn't. And Cam Rising, I think as

533
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: a college football player is intriguing at the top of

534
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: the sport, like you could understand like the best of

535
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: Cam Rising being a Heisman candidate, but in terms of

536
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: being a pure quarterback with how little Utah finds develops

537
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: top tier receivers who can challenge guys down the field,

538
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: Like I think Cam Rising is good to really good,

539
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: But like a VIP conversation, I don't know. I think

540
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: he's a winner, but I'm not there with him. I'd

541
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: rather take a chance on some of the also receiving

542
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: votes or the other guys on this list as showing

543
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more in terms of just lethal quarterbacks.

544
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm not there with him.

545
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: How do we feel about Quinn Yours at three?

546
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: Good but not great. I think he's legitimately very good.

547
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 2: That's my vibe on on Quinn Yours. Like I think

548
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: Quinn Youwers belongs on this list. Yeah, Quinn Ewers belongs

549
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: in this top ten. Also bear in mind the context

550
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: that brought us Quin Yours right. Quinnewers started at Ohio

551
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: State as one of the highest graded recruits ever. He

552
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: surely is very very good. He throws a nice deep ball.

553
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: I love when he throws the rain maker, you know

554
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, really, the lollipop deep throw is

555
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: one of the purest things that we've gotten college football

556
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: right now. But right now we're talking about the NFL

557
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: combine and guys like Xavier Worthy, who ran something like

558
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: a sub four to three just an incredible I mean,

559
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: he's had so much talent around him, and I feel

560
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: like he still has left me wanting more. I keep

561
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: waiting to see for a prolonged period of time the

562
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: Quinnewers that I thought we were going to get when

563
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: I saw the recruiting grade, and I don't think we've

564
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: seen that yet. That could still happen. I think it

565
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: was a wise decision for him to come back to Texas.

566
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: We know there have been some injury issues. By and large.

567
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: For me, Quinn Yours belongs on this list. I'm just

568
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: not as high on Quinn Youres as I thought I

569
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: was going to be after this season, So three little

570
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: high to me. Jalen Milroe at four is an interesting.

571
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: Selection. I like Jalen Milroe.

572
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: I like what Nick Saban and Tommy Reese did with

573
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe. I'm curious to see what Kaylin de Boorr

574
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: does with Jalen Milroe. Because the system that the Boor

575
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: runs is drastically different, or has been drastically different from

576
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: the system that we saw at BAMMA last season. If

577
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: they're going to try and play like this more modern

578
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: air raid game with Jalen Milroe, I don't think that's

579
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: gonna work. I suspect they won't because they know his

580
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: skill set. For me, that's something to watch. Four is

581
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: high for Milroe, probably belongs on this list, but four

582
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: top five for Jay I'm not going there.

583
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Well, it's also just kind of like a previously on

584
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: the Jalen Milroe experience in watching the Rose Bowl, where

585
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: you wonder if there is you know, if it's he's

586
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: a top five athlete in the sport and a top

587
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: five playmaker in the sport, but if and I think

588
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: the same thing applies not necessarily in terms of being

589
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: an athlete, but for Quinn Yours. But the thought of,

590
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: like if we're going to situationally great it where you're like, Okay,

591
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: this guy has ninety three seconds down four to drive

592
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: the field and get a touchdown to win a game

593
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: in a huge spot. We're like, I don't fully hold

594
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: like it against Quinn Yours what he looked like against

595
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Washington in the playoff, because I thought a lot of

596
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: that was on Sark and the play calling just like

597
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: first down pass, first down pass, first down pass. Like,

598
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he was put in a great position.

599
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: But in terms of like, am I terrified of either

600
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: Quinn Yours or Jalen Milroe with the game on the line,

601
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: huge spotlight, you know, playing on the road in the

602
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: opening round of the playoff somewhere cold or something like that.

603
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm not there with either one of these guys in

604
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: this moment, but you have to make the case for others,

605
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: right if you're not going to consider them top five, right,

606
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: who is that quarterback? You're like, I am terrified of

607
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: him specifically in that scenario, and we just you know,

608
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: to compare anybody to Patrick Mahomes, but like I was

609
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: rooting for the forty nine ers in the Super Bowl,

610
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes got the ball in huge leverage spots and

611
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: I knew what was going to happen.

612
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: You knew exactly what was going to happen.

613
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: Completely unfair to compare any of these guys to Patrick Mahomes,

614
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: but there is that emotion that you'd like to feel

615
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: when you're rooting against this quarterback. You're like, yeah, this

616
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: is done. And I kind of felt that with Michael

617
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Pennocks last year as an Oregon fan when he and

618
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: that was specific to like the receivers he had and

619
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: his own talent and the coaching and the system whatever.

620
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: And I just I don't necessarily get that you mentioned

621
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: fear of God, Like I don't get that fear watching

622
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: Quinn yours now with new receivers, new tight end, like

623
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: running games should be very good, offensive line should be

624
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: very good, like he is in an advantaged place Jalen

625
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: Morrow even less so because of coaching overhaul, play, the

626
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: roster overhaul at Alabama. Look, Kaylen de Borr will get

627
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: the most out of his quarterback. And if that guy

628
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: is as we assume it's going to be, Jalen Molroe,

629
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Milroe will improve this year right now heading into springball,

630
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: new system, new players around him. I'm just not there

631
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: because of what we saw against granted, excellent Michigan team,

632
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: the likes of which does not exist in the SEC

633
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: this year in terms of that defense. But that's more

634
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: of an experience thing too. I just I'm not there.

635
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: He's in the club, He's absolutely in the club, and

636
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can pick somebody to bring

637
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: in the VIP room instead of him, But I'm keeping

638
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: a watchful eye, Tye.

639
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: There are three guys that I'm kicking out of the club. Okay,

640
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: I'm kicking off this list. I'm kicking Jalen Daniels from

641
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: Kansas off the list. Exciting player, but he's got to

642
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 2: stay on the field.

643
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: New offensive coordinator this year.

644
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: New coordinator. Look, I'm rooting for Kansas. Like Jalen Daniels.

645
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to see more of them, and that would

646
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: be the only reason why I leave him off this list.

647
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: He's at seven right now, and Bill Connolly wrote the

648
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: little blurb on him.

649
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: Isn't that like the best ability is availability? Yeah kind

650
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: of thing.

651
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think where I'm at with Jalen Daniels.

652
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: I'd kick Cam Rising off this list too. Okay, I

653
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: like Cam Rising. I like all these guys. I'm not

654
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: rooting against any of these guys. But he didn't play

655
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: last year. No, he didn't play, and there is something

656
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: to be said for what version are we going to

657
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 2: get a Cam Rising. I think he could certainly play

658
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: at a top ten level. I understand why he's on

659
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 2: this list, but I want to I want to see

660
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: what he looks like when he returns to form at Utah.

661
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: The other thing that I think works to Utah's favor

662
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: is that they're going into a new conference.

663
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: Well, Ty, you set me up very nicely there, quick

664
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: little alley oup for Dan Rubinstein and the third person.

665
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: You're ready. Yeah, these the defense is Cam Rising is

666
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: gonna fit. I got in front of me. Go ahead,

667
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: go ahead, Southern Utah, Baylor, Utah State, Oklahoma State. We'll see. Okay.

668
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: Arizona Dwayna Keena's the defensive coordinator, is going to be

669
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: an analyst for Texas. Never been a defensive coordinator as

670
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: like by the way, Tangent here has been the offensive

671
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: coordinator and now will be the defensive coordinator for the

672
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: University of Arizona. Okay, that's kind of cool. ASU's defense

673
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: frisky improve lost key players, TCU Houston, BYU Colorado, Iowa

674
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: State should have very good defense. UCF disappointing defense. So

675
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: Cam Rising, it might just be a matter of he

676
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: might It might be the right year to be Cam

677
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: Rising and looking to be the most handsome boy at

678
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: a club, because it's set up pretty nicely. Depending on

679
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: what his own offense looks like this year, which it's

680
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: another year. Utah probably won't have an NFL receiver. It's

681
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: a good situation defensively.

682
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: All right, he stays in the club. Okay, he stays

683
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: in the club. I'm looking at this as I am

684
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: speaking in real time, and I reserve the right to

685
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: change my mind. Cam Rising can stay because good Utah

686
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: could win the Big Twelve like that.

687
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: Certainly they could win the Big.

688
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Twelve with cam Rising just being serviceable, with Utah playing

689
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: its brand of football, the brand of football that they

690
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: play all the time under Kyle Whittingham, against a schedule

691
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, all right, cam Risen can stay. Cam

692
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: Ward's gone though, Okay, cam Ward's gone and again exciting player.

693
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: If he I think lives up to some of the hype,

694
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: cam Ward will end up on this list and cam

695
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: Ward will end up probably is a first round pick

696
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Again, if he lives up to that hype.

697
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: You think he's going to end up as a first

698
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: round You think there's a world in which cam Ward

699
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: is a first round quarterback.

700
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

701
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: Percent. That's a strong disagree for me. He almost came

702
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: out this year and he didn't. Why tie, Because the

703
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: NFL said, na, you're not a high round pick.

704
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: If he lives up to the hype and that is

705
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: doing a lot of heavy lifting, then I could see it.

706
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: But he's got a ways to go.

707
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: And when you want to become a first round NFL

708
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: quarterback when you previously didn't appear to be, you gotta

709
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: go to a Mario christ Justin Herbert first round quarterback

710
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: appeared to be that before Mario Chris Ball took over.

711
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: Would you rather have cam Ward? Would you rather have

712
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels on this list in our club? Or would

713
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: you rather have Will Howard? Oh?

714
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: Probably Will Howard. Would you rather have Brady Cook? Definitely

715
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: Brady Cook Luther Burden's back. Yeah, they'll run the hell

716
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: out of the ball as well. Yeah. Riley Leonard Okay,

717
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: So Riley Leonard at Notre Dame with what an exodus

718
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: of receivers working in a new system, new offensive coordinator

719
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: with big time success recently Mike Denbrock, I think I'd

720
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: rather have If you're looking at both Riley Leonard and

721
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: cam Ward as kind of athletes with upside, like cam

722
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: Woard doesn't run the ball a ton, I think Riley

723
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: Leonard runs the ball more. I don't have their numbers

724
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: in front of me. But cam Ward is the is

725
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: the improviser. I think between those two, I think, right, God,

726
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: Kim Moore's.

727
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: Gonna have a good offensive line, man, He's gonna have

728
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: a good offensive line.

729
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: And look, I think Notre dames offensive line will probably

730
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: improve though they lose their best offensive lineman, right, Joel, Joel, Yeah,

731
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: it's be a first round pick.

732
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: I'm not putting Riley Leonard on this top ten, but

733
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm putting Brady Cook in there, and I'm putting Will

734
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: Howard in there. The fact that Will Howard was left

735
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: off of this.

736
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: What do I call Will Howard Walker Howard Walker Howard? Yeah, yeah,

737
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: I would put Will Howard because again, I think he's advantaged.

738
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's necessarily the most handsome boy

739
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: in line, but the company he keeps I think will

740
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: make him attractive to those controlling the velvet ropes.

741
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: I put Will Howard at three on this list.

742
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Will Howard at three, Yeah, okay, look.

743
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: At the talent around him, man, look at the system

744
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: that Chip Kelly's gonna bring, and how advantageous that's going

745
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: to be for a quarterback of his ilk.

746
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: That's true, it.

747
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: Would be different if it were a Bill O'Brien system.

748
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: It'd be different if it were the Ryan Day system

749
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: to some extent, and it still will be the Ryan

750
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: Day system. But we know that Chip Kelly knows how

751
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: to get creative with quarterbacks that can move. That's sort

752
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: of been his thing. And well, Howard's big boy. He's

753
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: got a lot around him. Ohio State has certainly not

754
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: taking its foot off the guests. There is an open

755
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: question about the offensive line. I know that, yeah, but

756
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: I don't see how he could fail in that system.

757
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: So I'd put him up at three, and I'd probably

758
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: put Shador at number four, above Quinn Eewers, above who

759
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: else they got here, Jalen Milroe, I don't know, even

760
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: Noah Fafida I might put above those guys.

761
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: Is interesting because might have the best receiver in the

762
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: country to throw too. Offensive line certainly got better last year,

763
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: could be involved in a lot of shootouts because I'm

764
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: not sure I trust the twenty twenty four version of

765
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: their defense, which I guess in terms of bottom line numbers,

766
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: nol FA Fida up could put up cartoonish numbers this year.

767
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: By the way, you know who Arizona hired at offensive

768
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: coordinator about three weeks ago, Dino Babers. You know, So

769
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: it should be a wide open, pass happy offense once again,

770
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: although Syracuse's offense took a lot of different forms depending

771
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: on the roster. But I think they're going to be

772
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: in good shape offensively. I would have Fafida maybe a

773
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: little bit higher. I think we're now underrating Quinn Yewers

774
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: a little bit. They brought in a bunch of receivers

775
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: in the portal. They've recruited really well at receiver. They

776
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: have another five star I think five star coming in

777
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: this year at Texas, depending I think is Ryan Wingo.

778
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't have the class of twenty twenty four memorized

779
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: and was it Johnte Cook last year? So there's a

780
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: lot in the pipeline at Texas. And then you bring

781
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: in Silas Bolden from Oregon State, like he's going to

782
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: have a lot to work with and especially behind that

783
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: offensive line. I would have him ahead of Fafida just

784
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: in terms of like what's what's available to him and

785
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: the continuity of having star who's ahead of Fafida. I

786
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: would have Quinnewers ahead of Fafida.

787
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: Back to Quinn, you weres here Yeah.

788
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying what Texas has available, the company that

789
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Quinn Yours keeps to me is still pretty attractive.

790
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: All right, So here's what I'm doing on the fly. Okay,

791
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: I've got Gabriel one, Carson Beck two. Yeah, are we

792
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: okay with that? Yeah, I've got Will Howard three. Now

793
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna say that's too high, but this is my list.

794
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: I put Will Howard three. Well.

795
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: I think Kansastate fans are quick to point out that

796
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: when the going is good for Will Howard, in terms

797
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: of what's around him, he performs. He's just not somebody

798
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: who can raise the level all of the time. And

799
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: now that he has Chip Kelly, all due respect to

800
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: Colin Kleine, Chip Kelly is a better offensive mind than

801
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: Colin Kleine. He has those running backs depending on what

802
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: the offensive line looks like. He has a stacked receiving

803
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: room now added to with Jeremiah Smith, number one overall recruit. Like,

804
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: I think Will Howard has every opportunity to Will Howard

805
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: could be the best quarterback in America this year. I agree.

806
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: That's why he's three for me. So yeah, I'd like

807
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: to see it. I'd like to see more consistency. So

808
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: I think I would have quin Ewers still ahead of him.

809
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: I mean there's like a Yewers line that I'm sort

810
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: of drawing in the sand right now. So I would

811
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: have him like five, five or six. Yeah, all right,

812
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: so you've got who's who's your three? Then if I've

813
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: got Will Howard, So my third best, after I agree

814
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: with the top two in Beck and Gabriel, my third

815
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: best it might be Jackson Dart.

816
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: I kind of deliberated with putting Dart at number three.

817
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: I was gonna move him up to number five above

818
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: Quinn Yewers.

819
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a lot available to him, adding Juice Wells.

820
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: My list is Gabriel Beck, Howard three. I've got Shador

821
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: at four. That's an offensive line question to me. With Shador,

822
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: is he gonna have time to do to show off.

823
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: I've got Jackson Dart at five and then Quinn Yours

824
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: at six. Dart's a good case, though, there's a big

825
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: case to be made that Jackson Dart. I think he

826
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: matured last season. Yeah, and you know his numbers were

827
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: very very sound, twenty three touchdowns, five picks, got some

828
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: rushing yards in there, actually had like eight rushing touchdowns,

829
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: so we know he can move on the ground through

830
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 2: for close to thirty four hundred yards. Given what they've

831
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: got coming back, you know, Trey Harris, George Watkins, like

832
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: they lose Queenshawn Judkins. That hurts, but there's still plenty

833
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: of AMMO.

834
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I don't care about running backs in that way. They

835
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: added who Logan digs your guy? I think they'll be fine.

836
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of an offensive line question to me, and

837
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of like what is the rhythm of an

838
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Old Miss game with We'll see how much the defense improves,

839
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: because right now, if you're Old Miss, obviously BAM is

840
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: going to be more gettable, it seems. But you lose

841
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 1: by thirty five to Georgia last year. The rhythm of

842
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: what does the defense do in terms of getting off

843
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: the field against the best teams. I was impressed with

844
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart for the most part. Against Penn State. Look,

845
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: they won eleven games with the Bowl, they go ten

846
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: to two, and they add to it and look adding

847
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: in you know, Walter Nolan, Chris Paul Guys, Princely. I

848
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: don't remember how to pronounce his last name. Uman Million

849
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: from Florida on the edge, Like, I think Jackson Dart

850
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: is keeping really good company in this line, and I

851
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: would absolutely have him in the VIP section. So yes,

852
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: he is probably my number three or four. You've got

853
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: him at three. Who's your four?

854
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: Then?

855
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: So if if I'm moving Jackson Dart up to four,

856
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: I'd probably go yours and then Howard. But I think

857
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: there's like a VIP within the VIP.

858
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: So after Howard, then are you going Forfeita?

859
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I would put Fafeeda ahead of Milroe and then

860
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: maybe Brady Cook. Yeah, I would put, I might put

861
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: I would probably put Brady Hook again ahead of Milroe

862
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Speaker 1: as well.

863
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: I'm putting together a common list here. So we've got

864
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: Gabriel Beck. There's some debate over or Will Howard, but

865
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: we I think both acknowledge he's in the top five.

866
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Speaker 2: I've got Schador at four and Jackson Dart at five.

867
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Speaker 2: You've got Dart at three, Ers at four, Howard at five,

868
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Speaker 2: so kind of in that order. Other names that we

869
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Speaker 2: could add to this list, I mean Milroe you mentioned.

870
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Speaker 1: Will Rogers is interesting because of Jetfish's recent history with

871
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: developing quarterbacks. But Washington is a total gut rebuild. So

872
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: for me, My full list goes like this. Okay, it

873
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Speaker 1: goes Gabriel one, Carson Beck two, Will Howard three, Shador

874
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Sanders four. I go Jackson Dart five by a nose ahead.

875
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: Of quinn Ewers. Okay, at six, I've got Noah Fafita

876
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: at seven, Brady Cook at eight, Jalen Milroe at nine,

877
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Speaker 2: and then Cam Rising at ten.

878
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: I might put Jalen Daniels out of Cam Rising just

879
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: because ceiling wise, I think Jalen Daniels is more interesting.

880
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: What do you do with quarterbacks who we know will

881
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: be starting but haven't had a lot of experience, where

882
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: like you are gambling on upside, like Nico at Tennessee.

883
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know Tennessee quarterbacks not on the list.

884
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: I know he's not on the list, but like, would

885
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: you rather go into the season with Cam Rising or

886
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: Nico as your quarterback?

887
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: I'd probably go Cam Rising.

888
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I probably would too, but I'd have to sit

889
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: and think about it.

890
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: You know what you're gonna get.

891
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: I know, but that is that a good thing? Is

892
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: that always a good thing?

893
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: Would you rather go into the season with Nico or

894
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: with dju.

895
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: Nico? I've just I've seen the DJU experience. I know

896
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: the good, I know the bad. I think he's has

897
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: a ceiling of like a solid B quarterback, and he

898
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: was advantaged last year with Jonathan Smith, and he'll be

899
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: advantaged fsu Nico or Karen Drones. Ah, I'd probably go

900
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: Nico because of the system. You know, I'm a sucker

901
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: for and this is like our our Bruce Feldman. Like

902
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: I love when I hear that somebody's greatest another sport,

903
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: Like I love that Nico was like a top tier

904
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: volleyball player. I love all that stuff. So all right,

905
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: your list. Then you've got Gabriel and back one and two.

906
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: We're agreement there. You've got Jackson dark Quin you weres three.

907
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: Four? Yeah, You've got Will Howard five. Then after that,

908
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: as I've been johnning these down, you've got Noah Fafida

909
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: ahead of Jalen Milroe, ahead of Brady Cook at eight.

910
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: It sounds like maybe you've got Jalen Daniels ahead of

911
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: Cam Rising.

912
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: M hm.

913
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: Puts him at ten. Are you putting Schadur Sanders in

914
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: here at all?

915
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: I think at his best if he had a replacement

916
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: level offensive line, yeah, he'd be in there. He'd be

917
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: in that like eight, nine, ten area for me, Can

918
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: I give you another name that I am? I'm not

919
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: shocked as not in this conversation, but in terms of

920
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: a name that could like swoop in like the fan

921
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: man at a boxing match. Sure, sometimes you look at

922
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: coaches who consistently produce top five, top three, top seven,

923
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: top ten his and winners first round quarterbacks and you're like,

924
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: all right, who's that guy's quarterback this year? If you're

925
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: talking about just top ten in the country. To say

926
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: like maybe a Lincoln Riley quarterback won't be in that

927
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: conversation kind of is antithetical to where we've been as

928
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: a sport. Like if and when I don't know if

929
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: it's Jaye maiav or if it's Miller Moss or whatever,

930
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: that seems like an open competition, but like, Miller Moss

931
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: is gonna have every opportunity if it's him, with his

932
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: experience and age and still having some interesting offensive talent,

933
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,959
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, whatever, Why would you not include Miller Moss

934
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: or whoever the the Lincoln Riley quarterback is in this

935
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: conversation when he exclusively produces Heisman winners and first round pick.

936
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: You can put him in others receiving votes, but it's

937
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: just not a that's fine, a huge body of work here.

938
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm more saying, like, guys again, a fan man

939
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: who could swoop in later on in the season into

940
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: this conversation. I don't think it's right to put Miller

941
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: Moss is like the mamriat quarterback in the country, but

942
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: in terms of track record, just penciling in like a

943
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: Techmo Super Bowl player who did not agree to have

944
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: his name in the game, like QB Eagles, just like

945
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: QB Lincoln Riley in this list, like to be named later,

946
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: like by week seven. Yeah, I'd be good with that. Yeah.

947
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: I mean, as we round things out here, Dan some

948
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: other names that I think are of interest, yep plays.

949
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: We didn't talk a lot about Garrett Green, but Garrett

950
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: Green I think also falls into that category for West

951
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 2: Virginia of having an advantageous conference situation. Now, their schedule

952
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: is not quite what you describe for Utah, I think

953
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: it's harder. But Garret Green came on down the stretch

954
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: last season, and I think despite the fact that he

955
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: started the year and there was some concern over whether

956
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: or not he would be the guy I think he

957
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: grew into that role admirably. So Garrett Green, I think

958
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: is a good one that I would keep an eye on,

959
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: and you.

960
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: Know, I want to jinx him.

961
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: But we can have a Tyler shut conversation.

962
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: We can have a Tyler Shuck conversation. There's a lot

963
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: of conversations to be had. We can have a Connor

964
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: Wegman conversation. Yeah, yeah, we can have a Brock Vandergriff conversation.

965
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: We can have a like I enjoy a lot of

966
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: the conversations that could be had within this sport. TVD Wisconsin,

967
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: don't say no Drew Aller with a better offensive coordinator.

968
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what like star power at receiver looks

969
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: like for Drew Aller. I'm gonna need to see more. Yeah,

970
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: but like the best of Drew Aller is one hundred

971
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: percent of top ten national quarterback.

972
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: I think I think the fringe for me is probably

973
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard. Riley Leonard for me would be like eleven

974
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: or twelve on this list. Okay, receiver room is an

975
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: open question the same way it was a year ago.

976
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: But they're gonna run him. He's gonna run that. That's

977
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: why they hired den Brock. He is going to run,

978
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 2: He's going to show off his athleticism. The open question

979
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard is I think how accurate he is as

980
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: a passer and what is processing is like when he

981
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: drops back to pass. But there's really no question about

982
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 2: whether or not the kids an athlete. You know, he

983
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: can run, and I think they're going to lean on

984
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: that pretty heavily this year. So the numbers will be there,

985
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: the wins will be there. Notre Dame will definitely be

986
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: in the conversation. I'm probably not ready to put him

987
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: in my top ten here, but I think he's right

988
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: on the cusp.

989
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: Can I give you another fan man name about Alex

990
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: Orgy love a good Orgy, another fan man conversation where

991
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: it's just like who's flying in from the rafters? Who

992
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in this conversation right now? Given look, this

993
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: is an incredibly successful program that you know Sean Moore

994
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: is going to want to run the hell out of

995
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: the ball, that there's going to be play action opportunities

996
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: that maybe receiver is developed a little bit better or

997
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: counted on a little bit more. It's not going to

998
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: be a great year for Michigan's offense, probably given what

999
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: they lose up front, but still I don't know. Man,

1000
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: he had some experience on the field, threat could pick

1001
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: up yards on the ground, yards through the air. If

1002
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: he's that guy, obviously there's gonna be competition. But that's

1003
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: another fanman name that I would throw swoop in. Let

1004
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: us know, saliverbogmail dot com. Let us know who we

1005
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: left out, who we were too high on, who we

1006
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: were too low on. Yeah, please reach out verbowlers dot com.

1007
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: If you're on there, Quandfinn Baylor, put all your money

1008
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Speaker 1: right now, put it in.

1009
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: Who do you put in your top ten club? Let

1010
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: us know.

1011
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday.

1012
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: We will talk, of course more college football. Hit subscribe,

1013
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: hit fall. Wherever it is you are listening and watching.

1014
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: Your support throughout the off season is much encouraged.

1015
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Speaker 1: Let us know.

1016
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: Reach out again. Let us know what you think of

1017
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: our quarterback club. What just know what you think of

1018
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: this list.

1019
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: It's interesting going into the spring, right, It's an interesting

1020
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: conversation because of what the transfers in. Will Howard and

1021
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel near the top of this list, and like

1022
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned to Kwon Finn to end it up, but

1023
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: like he's jumping up essentially a level in the sport,

1024
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: going from the MAC to the big twelve, and you've

1025
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Speaker 1: got new systems, new coordinators. Like it's a really fun spring.

1026
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: Like I don't think you were down on this year's

1027
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: quarterback class. I think you're down on the known quantities

1028
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: of this year's quarterback class. Maybe you're just down it.

1029
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm putting words in your mouth, But I think

1030
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Speaker 1: that makes this spring and this fall that much more fun.

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00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: Right in and again, sliverbogmail dot com hit us up

1032
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: on social media for that guy out there, my good

1033
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: friend Dan Rubinstein, for the millions upon millions listening at home.

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Speaker 2: As per usual, Stay solid, Peace,