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Speaker 2: All right, Former NFL scout John Middlecoff, I'm always try

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Speaker 2: to be somewhat delicate with Aaron Rodgers because I'm viewed

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Speaker 2: as anti Aaron. But last year, sixty quarterbacks played in

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Speaker 2: the league. And if I just said to you, said,

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Speaker 2: forget the teams and the names, forty year old quarterback

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Speaker 2: oft an achilles surgery with a makeshift, old and really

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Speaker 2: young offensive line in a better conference, just that scream.

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Speaker 2: The quarterback plays seventeen games I think lost in this

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Speaker 2: this Jets improvement, and people love their roster is, Hey,

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Speaker 2: they're a Breee Hall injury from being a have to

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Speaker 2: they shouldn't be in shootouts, Aaron shouldn't be forced to

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Speaker 2: throw forty four times a game. But they got one back.

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Speaker 2: And I tend to believe that championship teams are built

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Speaker 2: when you have your seven to eight best players all

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Speaker 2: Hutcheson moved into it. That running back may be into

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Speaker 2: And you start looking at Green Bay and it's like,

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Speaker 2: But they got a lot of guys that aren't there

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Speaker 2: I look at the Jets and I just keep saying,

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Speaker 1: I'd be like this, did you see the clip last

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Speaker 1: week of him scrambling to his right and kind of limping. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger. Most of my life

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Speaker 1: That's how you and your producers have good relate Like

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Speaker 1: And we know things get weird with that franchise. And

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Speaker 1: extracurricular stuff. If it's weird on offense, they're just gonna

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Speaker 1: who knows what? It could snowball into weirdness really quick,

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Speaker 1: That's what's on the line here.

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Speaker 2: I thought last week was really interesting. So Miami signs

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Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle to a massive deal with Tyreek Hill already

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Speaker 2: signing a stupendous contract. Okay, what are we saying here?

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Speaker 2: So if Tua just signs the tenth biggest contract, that's

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Speaker 1: Small guys too.

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Speaker 2: Was Miami saying, listen, we're making our bet. We're just

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Speaker 2: you you're not getting fifty five million dollars. We're just

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Speaker 2: not going to give you that. Because I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I know Dak has a market. I've talked to two

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Speaker 1: Told Raiders would sign him yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, and I think very quickly, you know, if the

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would be that good. But he's

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Speaker 1: not my type player. But we also know when you

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Speaker 1: hit free agency at that position, people overspend. But who

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Speaker 1: the open market. Who is I can't see. Did you

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Speaker 1: closer to Jared Goff the way he plays. I've said

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Speaker 1: it over and over. Well, here's what Dak does has

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Speaker 1: proven Now he's given me three straight years of twelve wins.

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Speaker 1: Do I want to give him fifty plus million dollars?

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Speaker 4: I do not.

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Speaker 1: Is there an opportunity that if he gets hot one

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning situation. I don't believe TWA as that capability.

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Speaker 1: a long time. That was the coldest game I've ever

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, could dak It hasn't gone

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Speaker 1: well these last three years. But beat a party, beat up,

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Speaker 1: you know, a Jared Goff if he plays right, How

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest players I've ever seen. No problem

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Speaker 1: this out? Why does every quarterback have to get an it?

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff proved last year. He went toe to toe

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, Like they have tangible evidence now

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Speaker 1: a year and a half, where's that evidence against Tua? Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: where most of these teams come November and December. I

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Speaker 1: looked at their schedule whenever the schedules came out, they

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Speaker 1: get a little cold, Colin get a little cold. What

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Speaker 1: if you can't do it this year, If you can't

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Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Steelers are at a really interesting crossroads. So

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Speaker 2: Mike tom can Mike Tomlin can get a little prickly

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Speaker 2: when his future is discussed, but he has not beaten

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Speaker 2: an elite quarterback in the playoff game in forever, and

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Speaker 2: that's just he.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't want a playoff game in almost a decade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and it's interesting they're not paying anything for

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Speaker 2: Russell Russell, you know, any chance he gets to say, boy,

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see packages for Justin Fields at wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, that's so weary. You know, they're

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Speaker 2: and he shouldn't want any part of it. But I

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Speaker 2: I don't ever remember a player in my life at

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Speaker 5: nervous about how we talk about it. And then you

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Speaker 5: add to it that there is also a very obvious

428
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Speaker 5: now we can talk about how significant, but an obvious

429
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 5: at least component of a racial component, which is it

430
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 5: is odd that this league that is majority black, a

431
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 5: disproportionate amount of its stars have been white women throughout

432
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 5: history and now its biggest star is a white woman.

433
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 5: That is an added landmine or a complication, whatever you

434
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Speaker 5: want to put it. And I think because people are

435
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 5: so afraid of all of this, everyone's just freaking out

436
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 5: and losing their mind about a foul and who's talking what,

437
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, now the WNBA, without anyone mentioning, hey,

438
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 5: the Connecticut Sun are undefeated, is taking up more airtime

439
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 5: than it has in the last five years combined. It's

440
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 5: a fascinating media story as much as anything.

441
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Speaker 2: I thought. James Jones, who's been watching the WNBA for years,

442
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: had the most prescient, prescient point on it. I thought

443
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: it was really smart. I didn't think about this, He says.

444
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Speaker 2: The biggest difference between the NBA and the WNBA is

445
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: the NBA is much more vertical. You may occasionally have

446
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: a woman break away in the WNBA and dunk it.

447
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: Men go through the lane, jump over other men and

448
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: jam it, often behind their head. Both leagues can shoot,

449
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: both leagues can move their feet, both leagues can rebound,

450
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: both leagues can pass. The NBA men jump over other

451
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Speaker 2: six eight men and dunk it in their face regularly,

452
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Speaker 2: he said. Because of that, the WNBA is more physical.

453
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Speaker 2: You score through physical banging body. You don't go over,

454
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Speaker 2: you go into.

455
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Speaker 1: He said.

456
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Speaker 2: It. Thought about that fascinating. He said, the WNBA is

457
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Speaker 2: actually more physical than the NBA. The NBA is no

458
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: hand check. You can't stay in front of anybody. The

459
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: bigs all shoot threes, the lanes wide open. That's not

460
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: the WNBA. You score bully ball. And he said, so

461
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: if you watched the WNBA for years, it's way more

462
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Speaker 2: physical than the NBA. That's fascinating, fascinating. So I'm gonna

463
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Speaker 2: throw something at you that I think is fascinating. I

464
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Speaker 2: don't think we've ever broached this topic. So this week

465
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Speaker 2: I was reading on the internet. There was an NBA

466
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Speaker 2: player we know, Jason Tatum, really coveted time with Kobe Bryant.

467
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: He really enjoyed time. Their basketball ideology is different. You know,

468
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: one is the ultimate at times selfish closer. The other

469
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: guy's more collaborative, more of a giver. But it was

470
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Speaker 2: it was a player talking about his career and he

471
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Speaker 2: said it was Klay Thompson who said, I'm not here

472
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Speaker 2: without Kobe Bryant. Like Kobe Bryant was Messiah. Everything funneled

473
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: through Kobe. And it's really interesting since his death, people

474
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: are often more willing to say that when somebody passes,

475
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 2: to honor them, to say God, that person meant so

476
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: much to me. And we've heard lots of people say it.

477
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Speaker 2: Lebron said it about Michael Jordan.

478
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Speaker 5: Most just said it about Clay or about Kobe. Kyrie

479
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 5: just said he was about him being a mentor and

480
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Speaker 5: a guy he looked up to. All of it.

481
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Speaker 2: Yep, don't you find it fascinating? Find a single quarterback

482
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Speaker 2: who says I structure my whole game around Brady. I've

483
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: never seen one. It's fascinating.

484
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Speaker 5: Oh that's interesting because I thought you were going to

485
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 5: say Aaron there, and I was like, oh, Caleb said, Aaron.

486
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Speaker 2: A lot of guys, Yes, Aaron. I can name four

487
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Speaker 2: off the top line.

488
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Speaker 5: Okay, that's where I thought you were you were going,

489
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Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, I think you're wrong here,

490
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 5: but Brady, you're right out.

491
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: That isn't that fascinating? And so here's what I thought.

492
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: This is my take is that there are a lot

493
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: of ways to be successful, but the most great athletes

494
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: are entertainers, artists, singers. They're all really artists. They're really

495
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: all artists. Brady, less so than any great athlete at all,

496
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: bordered on mechanical and efficient. He basically was the cheat code.

497
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: He had the answers to the test. He literally walked

498
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: to the line. He didn't have to make dramatic plays

499
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: because he audibled out of them. He almost never got

500
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: sacked because he could see it coming. And so artists

501
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: Caleb and Mahomes and Lamar, I mean, look at the

502
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks now, they're movers and Kyler and I mean

503
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: Herbert is another very mechanical processor and quarterback. I don't

504
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: think Herbert will have a lot of people that say,

505
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: even if he won Super Bowls, Justin was my guy.

506
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: Is that Brady, for all his greatness, is viewed as

507
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: almost robotic in his dominance, and it doesn't curry love

508
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: or favor or duplication from young people.

509
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Speaker 5: So so I did. You're right, we've never talked about this,

510
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 5: and I so I've never This is I enjoy when

511
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 5: we do this because I am hearing this for the

512
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 5: first time. I haven't if you've talked about it on

513
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 5: the show or on the pot, I haven't heard it.

514
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 5: So this is the first time my brain's ever considering this,

515
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 5: but it is I'm trying. I also was trying to think, like,

516
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: have I heard anyone like the only Mahomes talks about Brady,

517
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 5: but only in the He's the goat, he's got seven

518
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 5: super Bowl rings. I want to do, but not as

519
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 5: far as I mimicked myself after him. So I I

520
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 5: wonder why that is and what you have You know,

521
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 5: what you've landed on I think is probably right, which

522
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 5: is I Now again, you're much better at the analogies

523
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 5: than me. Uh, certainly on the fly. But there's a

524
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 5: level of like when you look at the wealthiest people

525
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 5: in world history, I don't know what the guy's name is,

526
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 5: but the dude who started us steel is on the list.

527
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: But the reason I don't know what the name is

528
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 5: is because like nobody's been like that's who I'm gonna be.

529
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: But they say Steve Jobs, you know what I mean?

530
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 5: They say now Rockefeller, us Elon Musk, those things. Rockefeller

531
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: is probably because he put his name on a lot

532
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 5: of things, but there is a level of that. I

533
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 5: remember Brady being on your show around the time he

534
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 5: went to Tampa, maybe a year after, maybe after he'd

535
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 5: won the Super with the last Super Bowl in Tampa,

536
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I remember you talking to him

537
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 5: about retiring and he said, well, it's never been easier.

538
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 5: He didn't use those words, but what his point he

539
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 5: said with the words he did use, I think were

540
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 5: I have all the answers to the test, now why

541
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 5: would I stop taking it? I remember like that exact

542
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 5: thing where he was like, I, like you said, I

543
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 5: go to the line, I know exactly what the defense

544
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 5: is doing, so I know exactly the play we have

545
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 5: to be in and boom and it also, and this

546
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 5: is a quote I've said to you before, but it

547
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 5: seth Payne, who played in the NFL for a number

548
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 5: of years, does radio now in Houston, and I worked

549
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 5: with them there. He would talk about how offensive coordinators

550
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 5: would leave the Patriots and think, oh, I can turn

551
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 5: this quarterback into Tom Brady because or a poor man

552
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 5: Tom Brady, because Tom Brady was not impressive from a

553
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 5: measurables talent standpoint. And what Seth said is, but none

554
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: of those guys left the Patriots was like, I can

555
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 5: turn this receiver into Randy Moss because it was obvious.

556
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 5: No you can't. And his point was Brady's brain is

557
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 5: Randy Moss's, and discipline is Randy Moss's. Forty time and vertical.

558
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 5: They just didn't people because you can't see it. People think, oh,

559
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 5: Jimmy Garoppolo can do it because he's got you know,

560
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 5: these guys can Matt Castle can do it. But they couldn't.

561
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 5: But even though the measurables were the same, So it

562
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 5: does make sense. What if your biggest talent is not

563
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: apparent to people watching you.

564
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: It's just a it's not an aesthetic.

565
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 5: Correct, right, like there there are probably more people. It's

566
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 5: so fascinating you say that, because it's right. We have

567
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 5: all heard more quarterbacks say I grew up wanting to

568
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 5: be Mike Vick than wanting to be Tom Brady. We

569
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 5: have heard more people say, certainly more people a generation

570
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 5: ago I want to be Dan Marino. Then I want

571
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 5: to you know what I mean? Then I want to

572
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: be Brady and Aaron.

573
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: Aaron is clearly generationally the guy that most wanted to.

574
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: Be right and there is a level of And so

575
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 5: I guess since you brought up Kobe, the basketball comp

576
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 5: would be how many guys came up? How many guys

577
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: have we seen to feel like? You know who I

578
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: modeled my game after. Tim Duncan won fifty games every year, right,

579
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 5: But Duncan, Duncan, same exact era as Kobe, and in

580
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: my opinion one slot on the all time list above him,

581
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 5: never had a down year, never missed the playoffs, you know,

582
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 5: all the ruthlessly efficient. But nobody has tried to be

583
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: Tim Duncan. Nobody see he came into the league twenty

584
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: five years ago. Not a single person that I can

585
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: think of came into the league being like, that's who

586
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 5: I'm trying to be Tim Duncan. And I don't think

587
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: now I understand some of that's personality, but also it

588
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 5: is because nobody could deny what he did was effective

589
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 5: and great, but it wasn't. It doesn't seem fun to

590
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 5: emulate like you will have more people, I guess on

591
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: that note, and this is wearing a bit of a

592
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 5: Kyrie renaissance, and I'm happy for him about it. But

593
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 5: you will have more people a generation from now that say,

594
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 5: you know, I grew up trying to be Kyrie than

595
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 5: I grew up trying to be Chris Paul. Yeah, even

596
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 5: though you know what I mean. I understand Chris Paul

597
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 5: never won, but Iverson had that, oh, without a doubt,

598
00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 5: with an iconic, important, influential player in a way, a

599
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: lot of guys who maybe were more successful warrant. That

600
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 5: is interesting that nobody, nobody says I tried to be

601
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 5: Tom in that fact that is That is fact, and

602
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think if someone had said it. But

603
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 5: a lot of people call them the goat. In fact,

604
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 5: basically everyone does. But as far as who they modeled

605
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: their game after, it is unique. And a lot of

606
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 5: people say, Aaron.

607
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: Let's say this right now. It doesn't even the timeline.

608
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: You're a general manager, so you have to come up

609
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 2: with a timeline. Okay, all right, but I'm a thing counts.

610
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: We're both gms. Okay, I'll give you first because you

611
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: want mahomes.

612
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yes, I do. Thank you. I appreciate that.

613
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: I'll go Josh Allen.

614
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 5: All right, if I'm being honest. My next pick is

615
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 5: Caleb okay, and I know he would have been available

616
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 5: and later, but I couldn't getting I understand. I understand

617
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: that that is, he would have been available later.

618
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: But I okay, yeah, go ahead, Okay, I'll take Lamar

619
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: Jackson number four.

620
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 5: Okay, that's then I feel it great because this is

621
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 5: the guy I would have taken. Next, I will take c.

622
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: J okay now, just on value proposition, although I worry

623
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: about his injuries. I'll take Joe Burrow at six.

624
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm worried about those injuries. Buddy, I agree with you.

625
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 5: So there's a guy that you and I would both

626
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 5: only because I know you love him so much. I

627
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 5: might want him, but I'm not. I just am sorry.

628
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 5: I'm going through the league quickly. Here, all right, this

629
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 5: is there, this is not This does not make sense

630
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 5: from a value perspective timeline, but I'm trying to win this.

631
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 5: GM is on the hot seat and he's trying to win.

632
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: Right now. I've taken Matt Stafford.

633
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: By the way, I absolutely love Matt Stafford.

634
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 5: I know you do. That's why I was worried. I

635
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 5: was like, you're gonna swoop in and get him.

636
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, So because of that, I'll take Justin Herbert eight.

637
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: Okay, that's all right, that's good. I'll take Trevor.

638
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, hold on, I'm gonna take Jordan Love.

639
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good pick.

640
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: So now we have.

641
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 5: I gotta tell you, Jordan Loves a good pick. All right. Now,

642
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 5: I gotta think I'm just going through, like in my head,

643
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 5: the divisions. All right, well, no, how many picks are

644
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 5: we doing? We do sixteen?

645
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have Mahomes me, Allen you, Caleb me, Lamar you,

646
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: c J. Stroud, me, Burrow you, Stafford. I'm on Herbert, you, Trevor, me,

647
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Love. You're eleven.

648
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 5: Yep, all right, I'm.

649
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: Not going to twelve.

650
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 5: No, hold on, let's go to sixteen. Let's just go

651
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 5: to sixteen. We each get three more picks. I'm just

652
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 5: making sure that I'm not leaving out any obvious teams.

653
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all.

654
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 5: Right, I am all right. I'm gonna this is gonna

655
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 5: be this again. This guy was gonna be available later,

656
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 5: but now I'm going upside. I'm going to take with

657
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 5: the eleventh pick of the draft, Anthony.

658
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: Richardson, Well, I get it. I like him.

659
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna sit your top five pick. Whatever you Yeah,

660
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 5: go ahead, I'm gonna take Jared Goff twelve. I knew

661
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 5: you would. I could have taken Golf and just held

662
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: him ransom on you and made you trade me a bounty,

663
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 5: but I didn't want to do it. All right now,

664
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 5: all right, at this point in the draft, I know

665
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: who I'm taking it for. Well, unless I take him first.

666
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 5: At this point in the draft, I am now comfortable

667
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 5: taking Jalen Hurts.

668
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, I'll take Kyler Murray. I got Kyler Murray

669
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: at fourteen. I feel like, I you love Kyler. I

670
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: know he's so talented. I listen, if it's a six

671
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: foot under league, you gotta steal at number fifteen.

672
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 5: This is the last pick I'm going to have, and

673
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 5: this is going to shock people. But again, it's my

674
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 5: last pick.

675
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel.

676
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 5: Like I'll shoot the moon on it. I mean, I

677
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 5: don't know. I yeah, I'll go ahead and do it.

678
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 5: I don't love it, and I do feel like he

679
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 5: could be a pain in the ass in the locker room.

680
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 5: But I'm going to take Aaron Rodgers.

681
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Jaden, Daniels, Jade.

682
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: And Daniels Dak undrafted. So the under our undrafted guys

683
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 5: to us Kirk Cousin drafted, dakt undrafted, Drake May undrafted. Understandably,

684
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 5: I can't believe if this thing could have gone fifty

685
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 5: picks and you still could have gotten Russell Wilson because

686
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: you knew I was never taken him. You just knew

687
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 5: there was no chance. Will Levice not surprising undrafted?

688
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: I don't know je I think Daniels, I think he's

689
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: got a little bit of Lamar, but better as a

690
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: rookie in the pocket. But there's a little Lamar there.

691
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's also a little Kate Moss there as

692
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 5: far as his his weight, and so that is a concern,

693
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 5: Like the Jaden. Jaden is just so so lean that

694
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 5: that is a worry. But the guy goes number two

695
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 5: in a draft that that makes sense. JJ McCarthy obviously

696
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 5: didn't get drafted. Oh my god, I feel you know

697
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 5: what I feel? Can I can? I would you want

698
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 5: Aaron at sixteen if he were on the board? No?

699
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: I would, all right?

700
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 5: Then? Can I I'm waving Aaron Rodgers so I could

701
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 5: pick up Baker. I forgot about Baker. I can't leave

702
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 5: Bake Show out of there. Bake Show is again. If

703
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 5: my quarterback room's eight deep, I don't need my eighth

704
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 5: on the depth chart. All of a sudden, annoying people,

705
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 5: Bake Show has team great vibes, So go ahead and

706
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 5: switch it and I'll take I'll take Bake Show. He's younger.

707
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 5: So here's my other takeaway from this. Just quickly, neither

708
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 5: one of us even considered for a moment the number

709
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 5: one pick of the draft a year ago. Bryce didn't

710
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 5: even think about it, which, by the way, the which

711
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 5: I think is correct, but it also is, you know,

712
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 5: a little concerning for Panthers fans. I love that, By

713
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 5: the way, I love those those fake drafts. I heard

714
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 5: you say when I was on the Herd today with you.

715
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 5: I didn't see when you and j Mac did it,

716
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 5: But when you said that you and him did the

717
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 5: did that draft? I instantly got jealous. I was like,

718
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 5: I want to do a draft.

719
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: I was like, where, what's I So I.

720
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 5: Knew I was hoping to be able to do it today.

721
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: I picked Boston in six I thought they would win.

722
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: That was my draft Kings pick. I thought Jalen Brown

723
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: would play well and the Boston Celtics would win, although

724
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: Kyrie didn't offer much of anything, and I thought he'd

725
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: have a decent assist night. You know, My takeaway is

726
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: the small ball revolution in the NBA was really a

727
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: bunch of nonsense. It was Steph Curry and Draymond Green

728
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: who could play big. Everybody tried to duplicate it for

729
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: about four years and then everybody's like Houston, got kind

730
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: of close. Size matters and poor Zingis on both ends,

731
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: altering shots on the defensive end, he was the initial

732
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: Unicorn seven to four dribble shoot, there's nothing you can do.

733
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: It's why Wemby will take over the league next year

734
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: at the All Star break, is that this is a

735
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: big man's game. You know, in the NFL, you know

736
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: Bill parce Sells and the late great George Young was

737
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: a general manager for the Giants, and his whole theory

738
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: was went in doubt, just draft big guys like big

739
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: beat small, and in the NBA, length and size is

740
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: so important. And my takeaway, if that's the poor zingis

741
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: I get in the series Dallas Is in trouble. You know.

742
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: One of the things I said, they have such a

743
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: mature offensive team, and they're all a little different. I

744
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: mean Tatum tonight was more assist guy than he was

745
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: score guy. And I said, you know, Tatum can have

746
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: a bad night in this series and they could win

747
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: by fifteen Kyrie. Yes, an off night, they get shelled,

748
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: and that, to me is the difference in the series.

749
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: And I said that before I knew what I was

750
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: getting with Porzingis, But I thought, you know, the size

751
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: of porzingis the matchup problem. You know, Dallas came into

752
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: this thing, let's feel it out, and very quickly it's like, yeah,

753
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: we've got We're gonna have to go back to the

754
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: drawing board on this, and then Porzingis sits for a while.

755
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: But I would start with that is that you know,

756
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: if I got six guys who could all drop twenty man,

757
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: that's in a with the Apron. Now, it's hard to

758
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: get a third star. The league doesn't want it anymore.

759
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: They want you to draft and develop. That's what the

760
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: whole thing. Legal pay a lot of money. They don't

761
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: want you going to cherry picking stars Boston. This is

762
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: an absurdly deep offensive roster. I mean, you go look

763
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: at Porzingis last year. He was the guy for Washington.

764
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: You're like, well, that for a terrible team. That's an

765
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 2: All Star level player. Derek White's a five. Derek White's

766
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: a two on probably thirty percent of the teams in

767
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: the league. So I thought tonight was a little bit

768
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: of what I thought is that Dallas cannot withstand a

769
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: bad luker Kyrie Knight Boston Boston. If you told me

770
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: A Tatum and Derek White didn't play well, Boston could

771
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: still win. And so I just start with that, is

772
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: that Porzingis' size, he was the initial unicorn. It's it's

773
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: a problem. There's not a lot you can do. It's

774
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: a big problem.

775
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

776
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: I thought this game was a brilliant showcase of what

777
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 4: makes chrisps Porzingis awesome and how he elevates the ceiling

778
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 4: of this Boston team. First of all, he's their only

779
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: legitimate rim protector, like Horford's a really interesting player and

780
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 4: does a lot to help this team on both ends

781
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: of the floor. But chrisops Porzingis is just a mountain

782
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 4: of a man that is really difficult to finish over

783
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: at the rim. In addition to that, he brings this.

784
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: There are a lot of guys that can shoot in

785
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 4: the NBA at the centi position, there are very few

786
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: guys at the center position that are like lasers, like

787
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: you just can't leave them open. And one of my

788
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 4: biggest reasons why I picked Boston is Dallas's defense is

789
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 4: very much geared up at the rim as like a

790
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 4: rim protection team.

791
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: That's why they were good against Minnesota.

792
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 5: You know, they're.

793
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly and they have some good perimeter defenders, but

794
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 4: they don't have a bunch of good perimeter defenders. And

795
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: so when you can really spread them out and Lively

796
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: and Gafford can't solve problems at the rim as rim protectors.

797
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 4: It just challenges the weak points of Dallas's offense.

798
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 5: And then the.

799
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 4: Second piece of it with porzingis that goes beyond the

800
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: three point shooting. One of the easiest ways to counter

801
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: a ball screen is to switch it, because the whole

802
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 4: point of the ball screen is you can get downhill

803
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: because the guy has to chase over the top of

804
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 4: a screen. But if you switch it, it shuts it down.

805
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 4: But what makes porzingis such a valuable weapon is if

806
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: you switch it, you're putting your smaller player onto Porzingis

807
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 4: and he can just walk him down to fifteen feet

808
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: from the basket and they can toss it back to

809
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 4: him and he can go to work. He showed it

810
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 4: all in that game one. He was protecting the rim,

811
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 4: he was hitting trailing threes in transition, he was hitting

812
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 4: spot up threes and helped defense situations. He was hitting

813
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: picking pop threes, he was beating switches by posting up

814
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 4: around the elbow. It was everything that makes Porzingis great.

815
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you pointed this out because everyone just

816
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 4: accounted for Porzingis as like available and healthy, but like

817
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 4: it's really hard to go thirty something days without playing

818
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 4: NBA basketball and then to walk in the NBA Finals,

819
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 4: Like I don't think I don't think we're like. It

820
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: just was so impressive the way he immediately looked comfortable

821
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: and immediately started thriving. But a big part of that

822
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: is he is the guy. He's the key that solves

823
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 4: all of the issues that Boston could have had against

824
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: this Dallas defense. He unlocks it all. I was I

825
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 4: was just completely blown away by him.

826
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: I founded the volume, so I tend to look at

827
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: things from a managerial position. And so I said, if

828
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: I was Rob Polinka and Genie Buss and Minnesota's got

829
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: Ant and Okac's got Chet and Sga, and then there's

830
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: Lucas twenty five, and you start looking up and down,

831
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: and you know, Jokic is still in his prime, Boston's

832
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 2: two guys are in their prime, and you start looking

833
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: around and San Antonio and Houston this year, I think

834
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: will pop, like it'll be different teams, and you start

835
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: looking around and thinking, listen, man, we got to start

836
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: drafting and developing here, like this is what the league.

837
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: If you start looking at the second Apron, what the

838
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: CBA is in the NBA, We're not going to get

839
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: a third huge star here with Lebron and a d

840
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: We're just this is not going to work. So we

841
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: have got to draft and develop. And so you can't

842
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: watch these playoffs and not come to this conclusion the

843
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: NBA has pivoted to young stars Katie Lebron' Steph. It's

844
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: over like that. They're not running the league anymore. Like

845
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: Tatum now is one of one of the veterans. And

846
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: I think my takeaway is, Okay, who who does that?

847
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: Who drafts, who builds culture, who's tough. It wasn't a

848
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: pivot away from Lebron. It was a pivot toward the league.

849
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: The league now is a draft and developed league. That's

850
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: these players are going to get rich. But the league

851
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: watched what Golden State did with KD and they didn't

852
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: like it, and the owners didn't like it, and the

853
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: league didn't like it. I can remember talking to fans

854
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: of the NBA being like, I hate this. This is

855
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: just not fair. And I think the league heard that

856
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: Adam Silver did not like that move at all. And

857
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: so I think the Lakers, Rob and Jeanie look at

858
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: this and think there's a change. We don't want to

859
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: be the Clippers, old, dysfunctional. You know one guy, Terrence Man,

860
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: that feels like he's young. You know, it's a lot

861
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: of names and great on the marquee, it's a great

862
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: movie poster. It's not really a championship team. And I

863
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: think the Lakers don't feel like it. And you know,

864
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: I just I that's my takeaways. They're looking of this

865
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: and stepping back and going we like JJ Ruddick, but

866
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: he has no history in drafting and developing. This is

867
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 2: not what he does. By the way, there's Connecticut players

868
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: in this draft, you know, there's just and also early

869
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: the last three years he's recruited almost probably every good

870
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: domestic player in the first round he's recruited or seen them.

871
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: So I think they're going to be active. And that

872
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: was my take, is that you can't watch these playoffs

873
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: and not see this gigantic pivot. You know, It's like

874
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: when Manning, Brady and big Ben got old and you're

875
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: watching Mahomes and Lamar and Allen. It's like, oh shit,

876
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: we got ourselves in a new league. As soon as

877
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: soon as Tom leaves, we got a new league. It's

878
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: a brand new league. And that that was my take

879
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: on it. Yours.

880
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I there were three reasons that I was

881
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 4: excited about it. The first one is exactly what you said,

882
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: the draft and development piece. I think a big part

883
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 4: of it too, Like you mentioned, with the cat rules changing,

884
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: it's going to be really difficult to have more than

885
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 4: two stars and most impossible.

886
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

887
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: And I think he specifically is gonna excel at finding

888
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 4: role players that are great connective pieces next to stars

889
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 4: because the Laker brand is gonna continue to bring in

890
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 4: star talent in one way or another, whether it's through

891
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 4: the trademarket, whether it's through free agency. They're gonna get stars,

892
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 4: but because of the new rules, you're not gonna get

893
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 4: three of them, so you're probably gonna have to and

894
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 4: it's gonna be about working on the margins and finding

895
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 4: discounted valuable players, which I think is something that he's

896
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 4: gonna excel with the second two piece two pieces of

897
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 4: it one. He's an offensive genius, like literally an offensive genius.

898
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: And specifically, what I find fascinating is he was capable

899
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: of generating space for his offense with multiple non shooters

900
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 4: on the floor, which I think is super fascinating on

901
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: a Laker team that has an Anthony Davis that can

902
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 4: struggle to shoot the basketball, that is going to probably

903
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 4: play a Jared Vanderbilt that struggles to shoot the basketball.

904
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: And he's he has all these interesting concepts, like he's

905
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 4: really good at disguising his sets. He's a big believer

906
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: in weak side action, which basically occupies help defenders by

907
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: making them think about what they're doing on the week

908
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: side while your stars are running ball screens on the

909
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 4: other side. He's super creative as a tactician, especially on

910
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: the offensive end of the floor, which I think is

911
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 4: going to be work wonders for a Laker offense that

912
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 4: can get stagnant sometimes. And then the third piece of

913
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: it is he's just a psycho. He's a psycho, he's competitive,

914
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: and then I think he's gonna bring enough cachet because

915
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 4: that's the fear, right, Like, if you're gonna play Devil's advocate,

916
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 4: you're like David Blatt comes over championship coach from Europe,

917
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 4: Lebron scoffs at him and says, I want the assistant instead, right,

918
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: So that's what you're scared of. But I actually think

919
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 4: Lebron has a lot more respect for Dan Hurley. I mean,

920
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: especially seeing as he's been kind of like watching as

921
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: a fan as he's had his success over the last

922
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 4: couple of years. I think he'll have some success there.

923
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: And then I complain that you NonStop this season about

924
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 4: Darvin Ham not holding players accountable, right, and then becoming

925
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 4: and then becoming a team that was really sloppy for

926
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 4: stretches because they didn't value individual possessions, they weren't good

927
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 4: at attention to detail. That will not fly under Dan Hurley.

928
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 4: He will be on those guys, and I think it'll

929
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 4: help a lot.

930
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: Well. I try to defend Darvin ham but he is

931
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: a defensive minded coach, and you see this in the NFL,

932
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 2: offense comes easier. The attention to detail from offensive coaches

933
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: is better. So like when you watch offensive like Steve Kerr,

934
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: like his he if you ever when they Mike Steve Kerr,

935
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: he picks on stuff stuff up so quickly, like like

936
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing it. I'm watching the game. He is

937
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: a possession to possession coach. Steve Kerr, he watches every

938
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: little mistake. Mark Jackson defensive coach. I always viewed him

939
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: as more of a defensive coach. The offense could never

940
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 2: quite get in sync. Now, Mark did a good job

941
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 2: on the defensive end, but I thought with Darvin ham

942
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: Is he could get players. I thought Anthony Davis was

943
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: absolutely sensational defensively this year. I thought he was the

944
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: defensive player of the Year, but his offense was inconsistent.

945
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: Darvin's not gonna help you a lot there. Darvin was

946
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: a very limited offensive player. And so I think I think,

947
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: just like in football, I think coaches have vogels good

948
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: with bigs, Dan Tony's doesn't Like Biggs, coaches all have

949
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: strengths and weaknesses, and Darvin, I thought was not as detailed,

950
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: offensively allowed sloppy possessions. What didn't hold players offensively accountable.

951
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: They'll make it up on the defensive end. That's not

952
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: the league. That's just not the league. You you're gonna

953
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna shoot your way. I mean, you start looking

954
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: at teams. Dallas was a better offensive team than Minnesota.

955
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: They won the series. You know it's it's you know,

956
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,959
Speaker 2: is as as hard as New York played. You start

957
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: look Indiana. It was more consistently a higher tempo, healthier,

958
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: better offensive team with offense is winning these series. Like

959
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: effort's great, but like that's that's why Boston's favorite in

960
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 2: this series. They've got five six guys that can score

961
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 2: twenty And so I think Darvin doesn't necessarily fit what's

962
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: happening to the league, which is increasingly skilled, increasingly unstoppable

963
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: for players of size. And I think Hurley's good with that.

964
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: He understands what the sport is becoming. That you play hard,

965
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: play with urgency, get the details down offensively, don't give

966
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: up sloppy possessions. Lakers would have bad quarters offensively, Like

967
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: just I mean, there are times if you didn't have

968
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: Lebron on the floor and Austin Reeves was in foul trouble,

969
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: you were done. They just were a bad offensive unit.

970
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think to your point is I tried

971
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: to defend Darvin Ham, But I'm seeing some of the

972
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: same stuff in the NFL where the skilled now in

973
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: the NBA is just too damn good. It's just too good.

974
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: There's just if you're not equipped offensively, possession after possession,

975
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: you'll just get run out of this sport really quickly.

976
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: Oh for sure.

977
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 4: Look at this particular matchup here for Dallas versus Boston,

978
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 4: like a big part you mentioned it at the start

979
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 4: of the show, like the stagnation, the lack of the

980
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 4: ball in player movement, the Luca Kyrie kind of yours

981
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 4: that is, it works for Dallas because Luca is so

982
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 4: damn good and he might be the best player in

983
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 4: the world. But like I do believe there's a reason

984
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 4: why the league has shifted towards more ball in player movement.

985
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 4: That's why we're seeing teams like Denver succeed and Golden

986
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 4: State succeed. Golden State kind of really revolutionized five out

987
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 4: offense and brought it to where it is today. And like,

988
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 4: I just think I think Dan Hurley is in touch

989
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 4: with what works in modern basketball, which I think is

990
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 4: going to help a ton. I think he's I think

991
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 4: he understands the complications of the transition to the NBA,

992
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 4: which I think will be his probably his biggest challenge.

993
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 4: But he knows he's gonna have to talk differently to

994
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 4: professional athletes than to college players. He knows that there's

995
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 4: going to be more, you know, media pressure with that

996
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: LA job on a day today basis like we talked

997
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 4: about Darvin Ham all the time this season because it's

998
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 4: like that's if you were ranking high, high pressure coaching

999
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: jobs in America, Lakers head coach is pretty high up

1000
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 4: on that list, especially when Lebron James is on the

1001
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 4: roster and so well, I think he's up for it.

1002
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 4: I think he can do it.

1003
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

1004
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1005
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: One of the things I've talked about today kind of

1006
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: ad nauseum on my show is I said the Lakers

1007
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: had twenty years in the second biggest city in the

1008
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: country with no NFL teams in the NFL eventually gobbles

1009
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: up every city. And now you've got Harbon, Herbert and

1010
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 2: McVeigh and Stafford and the second richest owner in Stan Cronk,

1011
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: and the Dodgers look like they're one hundred and ten

1012
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: win team. Here comes USC to the big ten Ballmer's

1013
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: got a new arena. The key in this is are

1014
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: you okay? Now? Being the third biggest story in LA

1015
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: fourth on some weekends, like because this city has got

1016
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: star coaches and star teams and star players, and it

1017
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: could be you know, Wagner Rhode Island, Yukon. He had

1018
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: a losing record each year. He's a culture guy. He's

1019
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: an oven guy. He's not a microwave guys. None of

1020
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 2: this fake bullshit like this is a this is gonna

1021
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: be a slow roast, okay, And Lebron and Anthony Davis

1022
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: if he signs a five year, sixty million dollar deal.

1023
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: The Laker Genie Buss doesn't have the financial wherewithal, she's

1024
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: not Balmer. That's not a rounding air for her. So

1025
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: this is a real commitment. So I think everybody's just

1026
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: got to take a deep breath. The Lakers had this LA.

1027
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: They were winning titles with no NFL team. The Dodgers

1028
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: were good but not winning World Series. They owned this

1029
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: city for twenty years, and they got real use to

1030
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: leaking stuff to the media on a slough and just

1031
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: stealing thunder. Well, if you're thirty eight and forty four

1032
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: in this city next year and Herbert and Harbaugh and

1033
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: here come the Clippers in their new arena, you're gonna

1034
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: be the fourth story really quickly the volume. Thanks so

1035
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast, take a

1036
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: moment rate and review