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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a young, handsome Ohio architect

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Speaker 1: never seen again. Neither is she, for that matter. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I take a listen to our friend

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Speaker 1: Simone Jamison. Dozens of people guither here at Saint Julie

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Speaker 1: Billiard Church in Hamilton earlier this evening, a showing of

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Speaker 1: just how loved thirty six year old Jose Gautiers is

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Speaker 1: in this community. The service brought together as family, friends,

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Speaker 1: with them very soon. It's very stressful because we are

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Speaker 1: here at the United States citizens on this side, in

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Speaker 1: our brothers in a totally different country where we have

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Speaker 1: nowhereabouts where he's at. Louis Gutierres is talking about his brother,

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Speaker 1: thirty six year old Jose Gautierres, the Cincinnati architect. Last

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Speaker 1: Mexico to plan his wedding with his fiance slatd for

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Speaker 1: much time and energy I put into writing Don't Be

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Speaker 1: a Victim? And as I started the chapter on traveling

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Speaker 1: the most dangerous places to visit. This guy, Jose Guterres,

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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox nineteen. We're live here at CVG

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Speaker 1: because this is the last place that thirty six year

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Speaker 1: old Jose Gutierrez was seen on US soil. So his

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Speaker 1: family tells me they believe that shortly after you got

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Speaker 1: He goes about three times a year. Brandy Gutierrez says

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Speaker 1: loves to dance. He's a good guy. Aren't you really worried? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am, we all are and more from WCPO three

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Speaker 1: last message Brandy Gautierrez gone from her brother. She and

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Speaker 1: him missing is like torn us apartment. Thirty six year

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Speaker 1: just thinking about his parents too. They were so hard

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Speaker 1: Then he gets his fantastic job with an architect firm,

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Speaker 1: in Kingston Country attache, author of Solo Shot and Flying Solo,

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Speaker 1: both of them on Amazon. EARV Brandt you know backed

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Speaker 1: pointing toward Mexico as dangerous. Nancy, that's exactly right, and

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Speaker 1: my career traveling to other countries, conducted investigations in sixty

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Speaker 1: countries on six continents, and without a doubt, Mexico is

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Speaker 1: All he could see was this beautiful bride. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Not only are those photos I see the bleep last

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Speaker 1: lot from the field of neurobiology, and Mona Fishbaine is

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Speaker 1: actually higher when you're part of a couple. And so

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Speaker 1: And another thing, Doctor Bethany, When I'm sitting there in

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Speaker 1: Gautiera says she last heard her brother and his fiance

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Speaker 1: is Kaila Brantley, investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com. Kila,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Let's just take it

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Speaker 1: from the top. So he leaves, is it CVG Airport

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Speaker 1: Last sees him on December twenty second, and he's going

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Speaker 1: right here in the book Don't be a victim. It

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Speaker 1: our friend Valerie Lions. Psychotekais is one of a handful

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Speaker 1: of Mexican states with a do not travel advisory for

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Speaker 1: American tourists due to high rates of murder and kidnapping.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's currently a battleground to two of mexico

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Speaker 1: family says they aren't giving up hope, but the two

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Speaker 1: accustomed to traveling to Mexico, to places like Mexico City,

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Speaker 1: to the tourist destinations in Camcoon and so forth, they

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Speaker 1: lose sight of the fact that, you know, every country

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00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: has certain values and people. What people don't understand if

428
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: you haven't spent time in the legal system in any

429
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: capacity dealing with Mexico is the fundamental fact that human

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00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: life is just not valued in Mexico the way it

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00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: is valued in the United States and Canada. And it's

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Speaker 1: a sad it's a sad day to have to say that.

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Speaker 1: But you look at a place, you know, like a Zacatacas,

434
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Speaker 1: about twelve percent of that entire population in that in

435
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: that geographic area are college educated. The majority, the vast majority,

436
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: have only completed seventh grade. When you're dealing with this

437
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: level of poverty and lack of education and lack of mobility,

438
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: and you're dealing with a very very depraved sort of

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00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: sat sperate and desperate, Yes, very very desperate situations, and

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00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: so yes, Mexico is known for violence. Mexico is known for,

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00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, in its legal system, for the for instance,

442
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: on the civil side, the value of human life in

443
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: a wrongful death case in Mexico is approximately forty five

444
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That says everything. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Then there is a twist in the search for architect

446
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: Josega Teras, his bride to be, Daniella and her family,

447
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: her cousin's Viviana and Rama. Take listen to our friends

448
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: at WLWT. Yesterday we reported that authorities discovered the vehicle

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00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Gautierras and his fiance's family were in. The suv had

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Speaker 1: bullet holes and flat tires. Now, the Attorney General for

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00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Zakatakas says members of Mexico's National Guard found a burial

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00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: zone near the vehicle. The infitial assessment is that four

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Speaker 1: bodies had been buried, three women and one man. Genetic

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Speaker 1: testing will be done to determine their identities. Now, while

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Speaker 1: we verify today's update from Zakatakas, Jose gutier As, a

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00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: sister who also lives in Hamilton, says the FBI has

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Speaker 1: not yet confirmed the news about the discovery of those bodies.

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Speaker 1: Tequila Brantley joining us dailymail dot com tell me about

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00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: the suv riddled with bullet holes with flat tires. Well,

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00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: just like you said, they found the suv finally and

461
00:31:54,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: bullet holes, flat tires, airbags deployed, and nearby a wave site.

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Speaker 1: Four bodies. And what was taking so long to identify,

463
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: at least Jose Gutierrez, was that the bodies that were

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00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: reportedly charred so past recognition, there needed to be DNA

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Speaker 1: testing done and to finally, you know, find the identities

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00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: of these bodies. So this was a brutal, brutal slaying

467
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: or brand joining me, the suv riddled with bullets, satire, flattened,

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00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: bodies charred beyond recognition, What time of a crime? Or

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00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: was that what did they want? Did napping Nancy typical

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00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: em for a kidnapping the you were saying you were

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00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: talking about you were trying to find something out about

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Speaker 1: the families, maybe about their past, and looking for nefarious activities,

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Speaker 1: when just the opposite is. What makes the perfect target

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Speaker 1: is they have they have no pass they have no

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Speaker 1: criminal ties, they're not connected to the cartels. They have

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00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: good families on both sides of the border, in America

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00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: and in Mexico, which makes them the perfect target for

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00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: extortion from their Mexican families and their American families. Something

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00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: obviously went wrong if they were killed, because that wouldn't

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00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: be the objective. There's no money in that. But that

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00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: is exactly why they were targeted, is because they were

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Speaker 1: good people, not because they were bad people. Doctor Tim Gallagher,

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Speaker 1: a medical examiner for the State of Florida. When you

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Speaker 1: have charred remains like this and you can't make a

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Speaker 1: visual identification of the body, how do you extract DNA

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00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: from ashes from charred remains? What you go into the bone? Well,

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00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: you have to remember that the charring is on the

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00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: outside of the body. In many cases, the inside of

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00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: the body is very well preserved. I mean the body

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00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: is made up of seventy five to eighty percent water,

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00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, so that's not going to burn. But it

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00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: is very easy to even obtain blood or bone marrow,

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00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, from these so called charred remains, And just

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00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: because they look charred on the outside doesn't mean that

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00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: there's any damage done entirely on the inside. DNA is

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Speaker 1: very easy to obtain, as well as gental records, and

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00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: sometimes even fingerprints or palm prints can be taken if

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Speaker 1: the hands haven't been consumed by the fire. It's just

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00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: so hard for me to hear what you're saying, doctor Gallagher.

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Speaker 1: I know it all to be true, but yeah, right

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00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: right beside the photos of them getting ready for their wedding, guys,

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00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut thirteen. Our friend Larry

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00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: Seward was a sister, says the Miami University grad turned architect.

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00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: Flew to Mexico to spend the holidays with his bride

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Speaker 1: to be and her family. On Christmas Day, on the

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Speaker 1: way to Pichardo's family home, the group stopped at a

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Speaker 1: bar in Zacatecas. It is a city so plagued by kidnapping,

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00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: crime and warring drug cartels that the US State Department

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00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: urges Americans not to travel there. Gutiertis's group never made

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Speaker 1: it out. Authorities searched for nearly a month before finding

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Speaker 1: their bodies, and so far no one faces charges for

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00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: the murders, which moved crowds to block the highway. Demanding justice.

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00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: Authorities say they're investigating and promise to send Gautiertis's body

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Speaker 1: back to the US where his family can say final goodbyes. Well,

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00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: that's not really making me feel any better. Actual protests

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00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: there in Mexico demanding justice and more. In our cut

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00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: twelve w CPO in Coudlan, Mexico, loved ones cried over

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00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: the caskets of Paula Arcis, Vivianis and Daniella Piccardo. Their

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00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: funeral Sunday followed this highway blocking demonstration over a Christmas

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00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: Day crime that also claimed the life of Hamilton's architect

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00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: Jose Gutieres. Mexican authorities confirmed Gutieres's DNA matches bones found

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Speaker 1: in a hidden grave last week. Near this suv with

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00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: the flat tire and bullet holes. Police found remains of

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00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: his fiance, her sister, and cousin there too, all four

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00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: disappeared Christmas Day, a funeral instead of a wedding, people

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Speaker 1: protesting in the streets for justice. And you just heard

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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer Gary Davidson and her Brandt describing an

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Speaker 1: area so poor, so uneducated, people desperate, willing to commit

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Speaker 1: kidnappings and murders. And now these funerals, other people thronging

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Speaker 1: the streets trying to get justice for the three local ladies,

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Speaker 1: the bride and or two cousins that were murdered. So,

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00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: Kila Brantley, has anybody been arrested or prosecuted. No arrests,

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Speaker 1: no prosecutions. We're not even sure if there's any suspects

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00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: at this point. We just have four charred bodies that

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Speaker 1: are going to be, you know, in caskets at a

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00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: funeral without a wedding. And you really have to just

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00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: think of the family here. Best case scenario. Once they

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00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: knew they were in danger, they were thinking ransom. They

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00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: were prepared to pay any ransom to try to get

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Speaker 1: them back. But it was worst case scenario at this point,

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Speaker 1: where now they have funerals. You know, I don't even

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00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: know what to say. You were just hearing Kila Brantley

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00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: from dailymail dot Com describing the families putting together money

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00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: for a ransom, and now the farm announcing in Miami

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00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: University's scholarship in Jose's name. That's what we've got, left

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00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: a scholarship in his name because he's dead. It's tragic, Nancy,

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00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: and it's very big news here in the United States.

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00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: It's tragic, but unfortunately it's not news in Mexico. Thousands

549
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: of crimes just like this one, thousands, multiple every day

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00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: happens just like this. I read intelligion reports when I

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00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: was at Marshal Service headquarters coming from the Mexican National Police,

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00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: and I would look at photos and they would find

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00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: semi trucks, the trailers full of bodies with the heads

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00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: removed and the hands removed so you couldn't identify the victims.

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00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: This is it's beyond belief what goes down there. And

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00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: I have zero confidence that anyone will ever be identified

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00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: and charged with this. Scrib agree or disagree, Gary Davidson,

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00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: highly unlikely the perpetrators will be found and that justice

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00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: will be done here. You know, you you just your

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00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: heart goes out to the families because it's it's just

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00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: it's one thing to lose a family member, you know,

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00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: from natural causes. It's quite another to never really have

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00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: any closure, never really know what happened and who are

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00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: the people who who perpetrated it, and why they did it,

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00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: and so that that's what we're left with them The

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Speaker 1: tip line one eight hundred two two five five three

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Speaker 1: two four. I cannot accept that we will not get justice.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two five five three two four. Goodbye

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Speaker 1: THO