1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: one thirty two. Wichita police and now the FBI are 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: continuing to search for missing five year old Lucas from Nandez. 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: A new lead has investigators going through CH's in Creek 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: Park in northeast Wichita, several miles north of his home 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: where he was last seen. Was supposed to be sitting 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: in his room condres at the shower and when she 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: checked on any was no longer there visit. His coat 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: and shoes are still on the scene and for ever 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: wandered off before Hernandez was last seen around three pm 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: on Saturday. He was reported missing three hours later. Wichita 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: police searched the area around his home, even going door 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: to door searching homes currently which Top Police Department detectives 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: continue to speak with family and follow up with any leads. 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: We're in shot. He's a sweet little boy and we're 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: just concerned for his safety. We don't know where he is. 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: We went home safely. Plays help us. A little boy 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: just five years old. Can you remember your children when 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: they were just five years old? I can't. A little 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: boy just five is missing. He disappeared from his home 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: while his stepmother was taking a nap. Lucas, age five, 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: reported missing. I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I want you to take 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: a listen to Lucas's birthday celebration. Happy birthday, dear Lucy, 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you. Blot your candle. Good job, but 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: you're five years old tomorrow. But from that happy moment 27 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: we land here now today. What can we do to 28 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: solve the mystery of missing five year old Lucas. Lucas 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: goes to play, says the stepmother, as she took a nap. 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: The hunt for the missing five year old has turned desperate. 31 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: Lucas reported missing from his home in Wichita, Kansas by 32 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: his twenty six year old stepmother. The stepmother says she 33 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: last saw the sweet little boy around three pm. She 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: took a shower and fell asleep. She wakes up three 35 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: hours later, Lucas gone, the back door open. Lucas lived 36 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: with his dad and the stepmother and the dad's home. 37 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: He's enrolled at Beach Elementary School. I'm looking at the 38 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: home right now. It looks to be a two or 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: three bedroom home, neatly kept. There on a corner police 40 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: quickly jump into action, using canines to search the home, 41 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: the surrounding neighborhood, and nearby park, but every clue has 42 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: left the police empty handed. Please don't let this case 43 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: go cold. Imagine if they weren't safely tucked into bed 44 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: right now, if they were not at soccer or or 45 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: or gymnastics, or cheerleading or or piano. What if your 46 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: child was missing right now? How insane would you be? 47 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: What would you just run up and down the streets 48 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: screaming like an animal? Help me? Where is my child? 49 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: What would you do? Help me? Help them? First of you, 50 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts, Crime Stories, investigative reporter. First, let's start at 51 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: the beginning. That's where every investigation starts. We've got to 52 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: establish a timeline and the circumstances surrounding Lucas's disappearance start. Well, 53 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: the year old step on and she refers to herself, 54 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: by the way, is a living girlfriend, not the step mom. 55 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: But she's home alone. Her father is away on business. 56 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: He's a thirty three year old contractor. Uh. And she 57 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: last sees Lucas a five year old child, a real 58 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: sweet little kid with a speech impediment in his room 59 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: around three o'clock Saturday afternoon, she goes to take a 60 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: shower and lays down, and when she wakes up, no Lucas. 61 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: She waits maybe two or three hours and calls police. Uh, 62 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: and they have had a search in three area parks 63 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: ever since, with canines and mounted horses and even drones, 64 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: but there's no sign of him. And she tells police 65 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: that he's never wandered off before. She waited three hours. 66 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: During the three hours, I assume the step mom was 67 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: looking for the little boy. And of course that's the 68 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: first thing you do. You look, you look, You look 69 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: through the house, and then you go, hey, is he playing? 70 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: You look under the bed, You look behind all the doors. 71 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: Then you go outside. Did he go outside? You look 72 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: in the cars, You look in the trunk. Did he 73 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: somehow get in the trunk? You look around the swing set. 74 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: Then he's not there. Maybe you look back in the 75 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: house again, as he played a trick. Then you start 76 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: looking further and further out out through the neighborhood. You 77 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: go to the playground. Where else could he be? Three 78 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: hours later, she calls police. Now, what was the last 79 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: thing you were saying, Chuck roberts Well, she tells police, 80 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: that the little boys never wandered off before, and that 81 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: his coat and shoes are still in the house, so 82 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: apparently he's barefoot. His shoes are still in the house, 83 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: and shoes in the house. It's apparently cold outside. Do 84 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: we know the tempt there? I mean, how cold was 85 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: it that it struck her that his coat was in 86 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: the home. But you can't count on a five year 87 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: old child to put on their coat, because you know 88 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: how much I had to struggle and argue with Lucy, 89 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: my little girl, to put on a coat or a sweater. 90 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: It was. It was a knock down, drag out. Once 91 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: or twice I would say, okay, fine, go out without 92 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: a coat, and then the whole time I felt horrible. 93 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: This only happened twice. And then I told Lucy that 94 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: somebody's going to report me to de Facts Department Family 95 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: Children's Services if she went out without a coat again. 96 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: And um, as a matter of fact, just so you know, chuck, 97 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: that night I called the house phone from my cell 98 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: phone and I answered and pretended it was de Facts 99 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: calling about her being spotted out at Target without a coat. 100 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: Can I tell you she's never done it again? In fact, 101 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: she's now gotten obsessively attached to a fleece, and she's 102 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: stuffed the pockets full of like ten things of chapstick. 103 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: She wears the fleece everywhere. I'm getting off topic, Jack, 104 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: What was the temperature? Quickly? Oh? My stars, right now 105 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: it's twenty nine degrees, So now I get it. And snowing, 106 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: no wonder, she thought, she realized, of course, I mean 107 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, it's twenty nine degrees right now. 108 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: It's snowing there. So of course you noticed that the 109 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: coat wasn't there. What would happen if he's out wandering 110 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: around without a coat in that temperature, you know, Nancy, 111 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: at those temperatures twenty nine degrees fahrenheit with snow as 112 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: we're looking at right now. Uh, we're talking about hypothermia 113 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: where uh it's it's unsustainable. That's why this is so critical. 114 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: And what I mean by unsustainable is it would not 115 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: take very long for a tiny little child like this 116 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: to succumb to the elements. Uh. If there's snow on 117 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: the ground in particular, and I don't know what status 118 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: in which Tall has been for the past several days, 119 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: that adds another layer to this he's barefooted. Uh. We're 120 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: talking about things not just hypothermia, but also frost bite. Uh. 121 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: So it is critical that that they find this child 122 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: as soon as possible. I'm just hoping that someone has 123 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: wrapped him up. He's in a safe, secure place at 124 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: this point. Well, I've got so many questions and I 125 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: don't want to um put the cart for the horse. 126 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: Let me and my assumptions. Let me get the rest 127 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: of the facts as we know them now with me. 128 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, 129 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University. Dr Carol Lieberman, 130 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrists and veteran trial lawyer Wendy Patrick joining us 131 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: out of California. I want to get back to the 132 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: facts and then we can try to make some kind 133 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: of analysis. Take a listen to what police say when 134 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: they realize five year old Lucas is gone. There's with 135 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: a heavy heart, I'm here with you today, still missing. 136 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: It's five year old Lucas Fernandez, Lucas with last thing. 137 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: We're in black sweats, white sox and a gray shirt 138 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: with a bear on it. Our thoughts and prayers remain 139 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: with Lucas and Lucas's family as we are diligently investigating 140 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: the situation. On Friday, February seventeenth, that approximately six fifteen 141 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: officers were dispatched to a lost juvenile call at a 142 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: residence in the six hundred block of South Edgemore. When 143 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: they arrived, they made contact with the twenty six year 144 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: old female who is the stepmother of Lucas. She reported 145 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: to officers that she last saw Lucas in his bedroom 146 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: at approximately three pm, prior to her showering and falling asleep. 147 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: Officers and canine units have Dylan dylantly checked the home 148 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: and the neighborhood with no luck of locating Lucas at 149 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: this time. Currently, which top Police Department detectives continue to 150 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: speak with family and follow up with any leads regarding 151 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: this unfortunate situation. Additionally, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has 152 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: sent in resources as well as their Child Abduction Rapid 153 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: Deployment Team the CARD Team known as the CARD Team, 154 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: to assist us with this investigation. Also, the Emergency Operation 155 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: Command Center has been activated. So we are asking the 156 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: community which has any information regarding this case, so please 157 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: call tips into three one six, three, three four, six 158 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: six one, and there will be individuals at our employment 159 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: or excuse me, emergency operation command center to answer those tips. 160 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: Photographs of Lucas are poke posted on the WPD, Facebook 161 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: and Twitter pages. I know many of the community have 162 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: shown willingness to come and take part in a search party, 163 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: and we do appreciate the willingness of the citizens to 164 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: come and help us in this investigation. However, at this point, 165 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: we're asking citizens to share the information on the social 166 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: media pages and called the tip line with any information. 167 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: We do currently have investigators and officers that are continuing 168 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: to search the area for Lucas. Police reaching out to 169 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: the community and across the airwaves to us and now 170 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: to you that tip line three one six, three eight, 171 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: three four six six one three one six three eight 172 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: three four six six one. As the minutes tick, the 173 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: outcome gets worse. We know when a child is taken 174 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: after the first seventy two hours, there most likely have 175 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: been killed. We don't know that. We do not know 176 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: that about Lucas, and hope goes on. I'm curious as 177 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: to why an amber alert was not issued immediately, but 178 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: police respond by saying they don't have any evidence that 179 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: he was kidnapped. Okay U, Joe Scott, Carol Lieberman, Wendy Patrick, 180 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts. Back to you, Chuck, So police start a search. 181 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: Tell me about the search. Where have they searched, Chuck Roberts. 182 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: They've searched three city parks. One was a huge park 183 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: not far from an apartment complex where the couple lived 184 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: as recently as last spring. Uh. And then they found 185 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: out through other parts and they used horse patrols and 186 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: tennes and and foot patrols. They have asked that there 187 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: be not any organized civilian searches. They only want tips 188 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: on the phone. They don't want people out wandering around 189 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: and perhaps you know, destroying I guess important evidence. But 190 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: no signs so far. It's been several days. And as 191 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: you say, as you say the weather is clearly deteriorated, 192 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: then uh, As of course it does. In every investigation. 193 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: The finger appointing starts as it should when you're looking 194 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: for answers. Nothing and nobody is beyond suspicions and or reproach. 195 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: In a case when a child is missing in their 196 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: life is on the line. Lucas goes missing from his 197 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: family home in the eight hundred blocked South Edgemore, Wichita, Kansas. 198 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: As you know, in that area there are great swaths 199 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: a rural terrain. Lucas last seen three PM in his 200 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: own bedroom. He's only five. He's only five, and I 201 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: can remember at five my children being snaggle toothed and beautiful, 202 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: and just watching them fall asleep at night and swearing 203 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: to my Holy Father that they look like angels. He's 204 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: four ft tall, sixty pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. 205 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: Way in, Joe Scott Nancy. I gotta tell you for me, 206 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: as an investigator, one of the things that i would 207 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: want to do is the first thing I'm gonna start 208 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: with is his home. I'm gonna rip that thing to pieces. 209 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: And as horrible as the sounds, uh, I would have 210 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: to begin to explore this area that they lived in 211 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: relative to any kind of predators that might live in 212 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: this area. And the police are gonna have their finger 213 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: on the pulse of this, and I'm gonna get some 214 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: answers from these individuals, no matter what it takes, because 215 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: right now this is not this is not necessarily an 216 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: evidentiary search. This this is a this is a life 217 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: saving search. At this point, I'm going to use every 218 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: resource like Chuck was talking about just a moment ago 219 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: at my disposal, and I have no doubt that the 220 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: Witchtop police are and we're going to expand this search 221 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: out and just drag Dragonette as you will, through this 222 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: area to try to to try to try to overturn 223 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: anything or or flip over any rocks that we can 224 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: to find any piece of evidence that's going a lead 225 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: to Lucas's discovery. Back to you, Chuck Roberts, I just 226 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: don't know how anyone could harm a little boy like this. 227 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking at his flyer now. He's last sing wearing 228 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: a gray shirt with a bear on it, black sweats, 229 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: and white socks. To Chuck Roberts, jos Cap Morgan just 230 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: brought up the theory as he should, uh potential registered 231 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: sex offenders in that area. Um, you know there are 232 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: max that tell you the number of registered sex offenders 233 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: in an area. It's very easy to do. You simply 234 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: put in your zip code. Do we know the number 235 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: of registered sex offenders in that area? I'm looking at 236 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: it right now, the info that you sent me. It's 237 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: eleven hundred and seventy one Chuck, is that the number 238 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: that you got eleven high hudred and seventy one registered 239 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: sex offenders in Wichita? Is that the number you got, Chuck? 240 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: It is? And the ratio of residents to sex offenders 241 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: in the city is three to one hundred and seventy 242 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: one sex offenders in which I'm just trying to take 243 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: that number in very quickly. Attention, as it always does 244 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: to Wendy Patrick, veteran California prosecutor, attention always turns to 245 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: the family, the last person with the child. All right, 246 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: The father's out of town, he travels for business, so 247 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: the attention turns to the stepmother who's in the home. 248 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: That's not unusual, Wendy, No, it's not. I'll tell you 249 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: what is a bit unusual here, though, Nancy, as I've 250 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: been listening to the reporting, is the fact that there 251 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: was a two to three hour delay between the time 252 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: she noticed a little boy missing and the time she 253 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: alerted authorities. And you've mentioned the play says that you 254 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: would look, you look under the bed, in the car 255 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: and all of the rooms. But if this is a 256 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: little boy who doesn't make a practice of wandering off, 257 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: particularly not in that type of temperature outside, it does 258 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: make it more suspicious. Nancy, you would have waited two 259 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: to three minutes, as I think would have some of 260 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: the other some of your listeners. Two to three hours 261 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: is something that's going to be scrutinized with a fine 262 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: tooth calm, because we live in a day and age 263 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: where no one disappears without a trace. There's forensic evidence, 264 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: there's eyewitness evidence, there's something to indicate foul play. So 265 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: and and it's unfair sometimes that that this scrutiny focuses 266 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: on the immediate family first. But if there's no signs 267 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: of forced entry, we're gonna have to let that play 268 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: out before we turn our attention to who else may 269 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: have lived in the area, who could have done it well. Statistically, 270 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: and you know this as well, Joseph Scott Morgan, that 271 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: when people are killed, when people go missing, when people 272 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: are harmed, it's typically by someone they know. That's simple statistics. 273 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: Statistics are not allowed in court, but that's a rule 274 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: of thumb cops go by, so naturally they start within 275 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: the family. Now here's something I agree with every single 276 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: thing Wendy Patrick just said. And I wanna tell a story, 277 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: Joe Scott that you've heard a million times. Okay, So 278 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: what Wendy said was you would have called nine one one. 279 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: I would have called nine one one immediately as I'm 280 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: searching outdoors, as I'm searching under the beds, after my 281 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: first look around the house in the yard. Yes, i 282 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: would call nine one one as I'm doing all that. 283 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: Because now think about it, guys, there's a six hour lead. 284 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: If somebody has that child. She slept for three hours 285 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: and she waited two to three hours to call nine 286 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: one one, that's six hours at the least. What about 287 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: the shower at that end, you might be looking at 288 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: seven hours. This woman entrusted with that child, the father 289 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: leaves the child with the step mom. All right, seven hours? 290 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: Yeah I'm mad. Yeah, my voice is raised. Seven hours 291 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: go by and you don't know where the child is. 292 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: Here's the story, Remember it like it was yesterday. I 293 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: got shamed at the community swimming pool by some mom 294 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: who made her own organic sun tannel lotion for her children. 295 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: So I go to Babies or Us with the children. 296 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm alone with them, and the shelves there go really 297 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: from the floor all the way practically to the ceiling. 298 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: It feels like, so, I'm looking through the suntannel lotion. 299 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: I can't find anything like that. I'm certainly not gonna 300 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: make my own. Uh, and I'm bent down and I'm 301 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: actually I think I was down on my knees looking 302 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: on the very bottom shelf. The twins are playing right 303 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: behind me. I dig through everything, intent to do the 304 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: right thing. Finally don't find it. I stand up. I 305 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: look again. I turned around and there's Lucy now John David. 306 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: They were just to the point they could really walk, 307 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: and it started to run. I flipped out. I had pridetice, 308 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: carrying them both under my arms like football's. I picked 309 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: Lucy up and started running, screaming at the top of 310 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: my lungs to put the place in lockdown. Locked the doors. 311 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: My son, my child, my baby was gone, screaming, crying. 312 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: It was like a blur. I ran in my haste 313 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: and my insanity ran past me. Was all the way 314 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: at the end of like three aisles, down on the floor, 315 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: were looking at something, and then you know, I started 316 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: running back and forth, looking both ways down the aisles 317 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: until I saw him. I remember that moment now. 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She was sent photos 346 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: of Lucas last year and saw multiple bruises on his 347 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: face and neck, so she says she called protective services. 348 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: All these stories I've been hearing for months about him 349 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: possibly being abused. She only got more concerned after the 350 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: father and son came to New Mexico for work. She says, 351 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: she and another relative saw more signs that the child 352 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: was hurt, and so another report was filed in that state, 353 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: and they investigated and had a forensic interview and all 354 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and sent them. I guess the 355 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: police didn't think there was enough evidence. When I first 356 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: found out he was missing, I um was suspicious and 357 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: then worried too. Renowned forensic psychiatrist Dr Carol Lieberman, this 358 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: is just adding insult to injury. It's just making my 359 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: heart break. I mean just got Morgan saved me a 360 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: few moments ago when I broke down in tears about 361 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: this four ft sixty pound little boy with the big 362 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: brown eyes and the snaggle tooth smile missing. And now 363 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: I hear this from the great aunt, Carol Lieberman. Why 364 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: why didn't anybody act? Yes, that's the good question. Uh. 365 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: DCFS has a tendency to leave kids in homes where 366 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: they're going to continue to be abused, and to take 367 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: kids from homes where they shouldn't have been taken. And 368 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: that's my experience. But you know the fact that this 369 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: great aunt saw bruises and reported him and so on. 370 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: The answer to this, to his being missing, I think 371 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: is to be found in that home. Um, not necessarily 372 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: someone who abducted him. And I think the the step 373 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: mother who wants to be called the living girlfriend is 374 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: the first um stop for for suspicion, because, um, you know, 375 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: look at that she wants to be called a living girlfriend. Um. 376 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: She she wants to you know, um, take herself away 377 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: from the idea of being a mother stepmother. You know that, 378 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: And itself makes one think, well, does she not want 379 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: this child to be in the house. Did she just 380 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: want to be alone with the with the father? To 381 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, you take a woman in her 382 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: early twenties and put her in the role of stepmother, 383 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: she steadfastly, as Dr Carol Lieberman apt play correctly points out, 384 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: wants to be referred to as the living girlfriend. That 385 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: that signals to me as well. I hadn't thought about 386 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: it until Carol said it a lot just that and 387 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm not a stepmother, I'm a living girlfriend. Well right there. 388 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: To me, that's a clue. Everything is a clue, Wendy, 389 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: every tidbit, every word, every circumstance, the shoes, the coat, 390 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: the bruises, that this that it all gives me a picture. 391 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: It gives me an answer to some degree. You stick 392 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: a young girl in her early twenties as a stepmother. 393 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: It sounds like did she not want to be the stepmother? 394 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: I don't know, but she's take even the title of stepmother. 395 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: And who would leave the child unattended for seven hours? 396 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: You can't do that with a child, Yeah, you know. 397 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: Dr Lieberman brought up an excellent point the fact that 398 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: this this young mother to be as if she ever 399 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: got married, would be the stepmother, but now she just 400 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: wants to be called the living girlfriend. This is huge. 401 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: If you don't take on the responsibilities, the enormous, awesome 402 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: responsibilities of being a stepparent, you really wouldn't be investing 403 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: the kind of care you should with the first thing, 404 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: I thought it, did somebody come over? Did somebody come 405 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: over and take the child so quickly that there wasn't 406 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: even the time to find the shoe? And did this 407 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: live in girlfriend know about it? That is an excellent 408 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: piece of evidence that you know would come up if 409 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: this case ever went to trial in terms of not 410 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: only the type of care and supervision that was going 411 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: on in that home, but whether or not there was 412 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: any friend that stopped by another man to stop by. 413 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: You don't even we could speculate. We don't have any 414 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: evidence right now to back up any of those theories. 415 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: But you're right to say that those clues start there 416 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: right in the home as to who came and went. 417 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: And that's an excellent point. Is you gotta look at 418 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: the dynamics between how was this mother approaching her task 419 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: of even watching that child. We know the mother, the 420 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: biological mother had last visited about two months ago. I 421 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: don't know if she lives out of state or what 422 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: her position is, but I know she saw him a 423 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: couple of months ago. And this is what the mother, 424 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: which makes it all the more heartbreaking. You know the 425 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: parents are split. She lives somewhere else, and now she's 426 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: finds out her her baby's missing, and she hasn't been 427 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: able to see him for two months. And you think 428 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: about all that that time you've lost, She says, quote 429 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: find my son. He's terrified of water, so the fact 430 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: that search has moved to a park that surrounded by 431 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: water terrifies me. Lucas is a sweet, sweet boy. Please 432 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: find my son. The FBI has deployed its Child Action 433 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: Rapid Deployment Team to help in the search, which torp 434 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: D activated its Emergency Operation Command Center. Quote by the dad, 435 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: Lucas is the sweetest, kindest, smartest, most gentle little boy. 436 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: He loves school, he loves fishing, riding his bicycle, playing 437 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: with his siblings. It makes me so proud to say 438 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm his father and we love him so much. He's 439 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: a wonderful, helpful big brother. He's never been the type 440 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: to run off without asking permission. He must be terrified 441 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: being away from his family with no way of finding us. 442 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: We are pleading, can you imagine what the parents are 443 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: going through, the mother and the father. Take a listen 444 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: to the most recent pressor from the police. We'd like 445 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: to provide you an update on the Mission child case 446 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: Bowl and cad year old Lucas Fernandez UH. This case 447 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: is now considered a criminal investigation. Investigators have arrested a 448 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: twenty six year old female on two counts of child 449 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: and danger. Charges are related to new information togethered during 450 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: this investigation. Officers and investigators have been working on his 451 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: case NonStop since six fifteen Saturday evening. We have collected 452 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: information through countless interviews, follow ups on leads, and examining evidence. 453 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: This evidence. I'm sorry this incident has touched many in 454 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: our community. I know that many. There are many more 455 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: questions as a result of this are This continues to 456 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: be a criminal investigation and we cannot go into further details. 457 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: The search for Lacas Lucas is ongoing and we are 458 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: still asking public for assistance. We continue to provide every 459 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: resource that we have available to find Lucas. This is 460 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: our priority. UH. If you have any information on where 461 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: his whereabouts Please call this tipline number is three one 462 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 1: six three eight three four six six one UM. As 463 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: a result of this investigation too, we would also like 464 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: to thank either those other agencies that have been assisting 465 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: us over the past few days. Those are the FBI, KPI, 466 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office and as such act of County 467 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office. So that at this point, yes, is that stepmother, 468 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: That is the stepmother Emily Glass. It is twenty six 469 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: year old Fee the endangering the child? Would that be 470 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: endangering Lucas? That there are two children folds, so two 471 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: separate counsels, she separate some mus two separate counisefer but 472 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: one of the Lucas. One of those children is Lucas. Yes, 473 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: we know what the other child is involved in the 474 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: one from child? Is that her her daughter hum going 475 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: to them? Do you consider at this point that his 476 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: disappearance is likely going to be a homicide this point 477 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: in time, we hope not. We hope that we are 478 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: able to find Lucas and that he is alive and 479 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: non or are you guys searching that? Uh? This investigation 480 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: will can teamue on on as far as specific locations 481 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: of various locations that I won't make any specific attentions. 482 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: Can you elaborate on the nature of endangering the child, 483 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: like was that leaving a child alone or the nature 484 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: of it. I won't get into the investigation charges. When 485 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: was she arrested? Choose wrestling book set? Do one more question? 486 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: What information? And I guess when you gotta do that 487 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: afformation that turned to do from investigation. This has been 488 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: a result of as I mentioned, we started a six 489 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: fifteen on this three days ago before they still and 490 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: h so as a result of all the interviews and 491 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: throughout the investigation stuff and talking with people, evidence that 492 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: was collected and things as when we turn it into 493 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: different restations, have you guys been able to verify her 494 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: account of what happened and terms of her being the 495 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: last person to see him again. That's all part of 496 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: the investigation. I don't want to get into details of it, okay, 497 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: and so I will discuss that part of it is 498 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: there could be more charneys. There is possibility and more charges. Corpt. 499 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: Lucas's stepmother, the Kansas boy missing, has been arrested on 500 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: two accounts of child endangerment. According to Wichita, p D 501 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: child endangerment, in other words, leaving the child unsupervised. Emily Glass, 502 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: in her twenties, was arrested as police continue their search 503 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: for Lucas, who she says was last seen in his 504 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: own bedroom. Police say the charges faced by Glass are 505 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: related to information they gathered during their investigation, which simply 506 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: means not watching your child and they get lost. A 507 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: hundred police officers searched the home, the neighborhood, and a 508 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: two hundred and sixteen area Chisholm Creek Park. They have 509 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: uncovered nothing to suggest Lucas was abducted. As you know, 510 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: Lucas's great aunt, Sally rest Mussen, tells ABC she reported 511 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: possible child abuse to Kansas Protective Services in May after 512 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: seeing Lucas with apparently marks on his arms and cheeks. 513 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: Why wasn't he protected? You know, that's a question. Joseph 514 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, forensics expert and professor of forensics, you have 515 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: testified in so many cases where children have been molested 516 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: or abused. Do you know in all the cases I 517 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: ever prosecuted where the purp was a family member, relative 518 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: or relative, I've never once seen the spouse side with 519 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: the child. Never Why why is that. I mean, I 520 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: haven't shot target practice since I had to be licensed 521 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: as a district attorney assistant district attorney. But you know, 522 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: I would be sorely tempted, sorely tempted if anybody, anybody, 523 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: including relatives, spouse, whoever, hurt my children. I don't under 524 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I mean, how can there be bruises 525 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: all over? The child defects is called and nobody in 526 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: the family acts. Yeah, I'm amazed by a Nancy the 527 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: the idea that uh, no one acts upon this information. 528 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: They're obviously witnessing these things. I think that it goes to, uh, 529 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: this idea that you've bring you, You've brought this total 530 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: stranger into your little family. And it's if you, if 531 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: you you know, if you, if you admit anything here, 532 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: you're admitting that that you've brought, uh brought the devil 533 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: themselves into this environment, uh, for your own purposes, whatever 534 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: it is. I'm I've never been based upon what I've 535 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: seen working, you know, with a corner in New Orleans 536 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: and the medical examiner in Atlanta. Over all these years 537 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: and all these cases I've looked at, I've never been 538 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: a big fan of the so called boyfriend and or 539 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: girlfriend living in the house in the family milieu. I 540 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: think that it's, uh, it's a dangerous concoction because it 541 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: goes a lot to what you guys were saying. She 542 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: did not want to be referred to as in this 543 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: particular case, as a step mommy. Uh. You know this, 544 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: this whole living girlfriend h idea is just absolutely absurd. 545 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,479 Speaker 1: And now my thoughts go to Lucas, Nancy. This poor 546 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: little child who has a disability already, he's got trouble 547 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: with his speaking, this sort of thing. He's heavily depended. 548 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: His biological mommy is not around. She hasn't seen him, Nancy, 549 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: in two months, man, And and here he is. He's 550 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: the back doors open, it's freezing cold outside, there's snow 551 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: on the ground, and this child has no one, no 552 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: one that is fighting for him. And I hope that 553 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, anything that we can do to push this 554 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: out there and just push this this idea that he's 555 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: out there alone. I hope that I do, in my 556 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: heart of hearts, hope that he has recovered. But I 557 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Nancy, based upon cases I've seen like this, 558 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it's sickening. It's absolutely sickening and heartbreaking. 559 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: So many of us want children to love, do we not. 560 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: We want children that we can take care of. And uh, 561 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: just to see these broken and battered little children like 562 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: this just makes me ill. Robert's Crime Stories investigative reporter. 563 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: The little boy spoke to the aunt and described being dragged, 564 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 1: According to the aunt, being dragged across the floor by 565 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: the stepmother. Is that true? That is true. That's what 566 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: she said. That he told her, and that that his 567 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: step mom was awful mean to me was his exact words. Uh. 568 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: And they've been at least two reports to Child Protective 569 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: Services in in the Kansas area. Obviously they opened their file, 570 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: but it's it's privileged information and and nothing can be 571 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: released from that state agency to shed light on you know, 572 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: what happened actually happened. But they also provided pictures of 573 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: the bruises on his buttocks and his arm, and you 574 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: can see them um plainly that they don't look very 575 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: old actually, and they look fairly recent. If they knew, 576 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, if days knew, if the aunt 577 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: knew what the father didn't know, Yeah, that's a question. 578 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: Nancy that comes up in these cases. You know, I 579 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: like what Joseph Scott Morgan said about boy. That is 580 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: the worst case scenario when you just have a living 581 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: girlfriend caring for someone else's child who's not only just five, 582 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: but five with developmental challenges. Now, let's add to all 583 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: of that, Nancy, what you just asked when there's also 584 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,479 Speaker 1: evidence of bruising and potential abuse. It's one of those 585 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: cases where the reports were made. Thank god, we're not 586 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: looking in retrospect and saying why didn't anybody report it? 587 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: But does that reporting then led credence to the charges 588 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: that have been filed about Well, now we're gonna think 589 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: that this is probably something that was the fault of 590 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: the living girlfriend as opposed to outside forces. I gotta 591 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: tell that door being open in those conditions that is 592 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: going to be a huge clue one way or another. 593 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: Did he wander off looking for his mother because the 594 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: girlfriend was being quote awful, mean to me in her 595 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: own word, in his own words again, or is it 596 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: a more nefarious explanation? And if the latter, why aren't 597 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: there any forensic signs of anybody else being there? That 598 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: is what makes the biggest mystery out of this case 599 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: is so far the total lack of forensic clues. Well, 600 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts, there were two incidents. First, the aunt sees 601 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: bruising on the child's arm and she in a photo 602 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: and she reports it. Then the father brings the child 603 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: to visit into Mexico and she sees it again. That's 604 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: two times. Do I have this vass Ackwards? There's this correct? No, 605 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: that's for there. There were two separate charges. The most 606 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: recent file last spring. And don't forget that. The biological 607 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 1: mother and Emily last stepmother got into a fist fight 608 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: last December and police were called to Beach Elementary Stars. 609 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: That's the boys school. So they get into a fist 610 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: fight at the school. Now, I can't say that I 611 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: would not be above a fist fight if it came 612 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: to my children. Okay, I'm just like that, Okay, just 613 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: just enough crazy to punch you right in the mouth 614 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: if you mess with my child. Okay, Now let's get 615 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: back to the fist fight. Not judging what happened. Do 616 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: we know what happened? I know it's at his school. 617 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: It's between the girlfriend and the mother, the bio mom. 618 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: Do we know anymore? Well, Apparently the bio mom, whose 619 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: name is Jamie Or went to school to check on 620 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: Lucas uh and found out that he had not been 621 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: picked up as he was supposed to. And finally, belatedly, 622 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: the stepmom, Emily Last, does show up and they get 623 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: into an argument. Uh and blows are exchanged and police 624 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,959 Speaker 1: are called, but no charges were ever fired. Wait a minute, 625 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, the Jackie's in here mouthing something to me. 626 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: Hold on, I missed, what what did? Okay? So the 627 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: mom goes to the school. Jackie, just turned around in 628 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: your swimble chair. Let me hear this. Just try to 629 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 1: figure out what you're saying. Something about the step mom. Okay. 630 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: So the mother, the bio mom, comes to Beach Elementary 631 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: to check on the child. Okay, what happened? Well, she 632 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: notices that the stepmother, Emily Glass, has not picked up 633 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: Lucas and was supposed to, and the boy is just there, 634 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: doesn't know what happened. Uh. And finally the step mom 635 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: shows up and the two the biological mother and excuse 636 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: me to step mom getting into blows and police are called, 637 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,280 Speaker 1: but eventually no charges are filed. Hold on, Chuck Roberts, 638 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: the brawl, the fist fight, the hair fight that goes 639 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: down at Beach Elementary between the the bio mom the girlfriend. 640 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: That's not all we know about the self proclaimed living girlfriend. 641 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: Hold on a moment. Happy birthday, dear lucyel, Happy birthday 642 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: to you, glad your candle, good job, but you're five 643 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: years old. Just so you know, that is the biological 644 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: mother singing happy birthday to little Lucas on his last birthday. Um, 645 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: back to Chuck Roberts. You were telling you about the 646 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: hair fight, as I call it, when two women getting 647 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: a fight, pulling each other's hair and scratching and all that. 648 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: This was an outright fist fight. Uh they were not 649 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: playing over the step mom not picking the child up 650 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: on time, you know. Uh, just's gotta keep going back 651 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: to you because you know my children. Um, they expect 652 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,720 Speaker 1: me to be the first one in line and pick up. Okay, 653 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: that's what they think is normal. I like to get 654 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: over there early if I can, and then I let 655 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: the one is up at our work in the car 656 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: and then they come out. Well if I'm not first, 657 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: if i'm you know, ten minutes into the pick up, 658 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: which you know can last an hour and a half 659 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: for all those cars come ten minutes into it, they 660 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: get the cars. Just look at me accusingly. And my 661 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 1: sister in law, jam Um, married my brother Mac. They 662 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: she would go pick up her Sam at a certain 663 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 1: time every day from Mama Mullins. Okay, Mama Mullins took 664 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: care of the children. Well, jam my sister, my sister 665 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: in law, a school teacher. Well, jam would always be first. 666 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: Well one day she was last. No, no, I don't 667 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,800 Speaker 1: even think she was last. There were a couple of 668 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: little boys left. Anyway, she wasn't first. Sam, Well, he 669 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: was like four, would not speak to her. The entire 670 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: way home was you know, a long drive, and when 671 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: you look at him, he'd look out the window. He 672 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't say anything. He just looked out the window. They 673 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: take it very seriously. If it doesn't go, you know, 674 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: let me throw this to you. Dr Carroll, Dr Carol 675 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: Lieberman with me Forensics Psychi. Just author of a brand 676 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: new book, Lions and Tigers and Terrorists. Oh my, Yes, 677 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: that's it, Lions and Tigers and Terrorists, Oh my, on Amazon. 678 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: Dr Carol. They get it a routine, and if that 679 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: routine is thrown off, that that messes horribly with a 680 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: child's head if they get off their routine. Why is that, Well, 681 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: it's the routine, but also it's because in those seconds 682 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: or minutes or you know, however long it is that 683 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: they're waiting, Um, they get really scared that maybe mommy 684 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: or daddy isn't gonna be picking me up today, maybe 685 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: something happened to them. They feel abandoned, and so when 686 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,280 Speaker 1: they get angry, you know, they react by getting angry. 687 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: It really has to do with their fear. I mean, 688 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, also, of course they want to think that 689 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: they're the most important thing in every parent's life, but 690 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: it really has to do with a reaction to the 691 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: fear that they felt in the time that they were 692 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: standing there scared. You know. Another issue is even an 693 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: abusive parent or step parent or living girlfriend, even abusive, 694 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: they still they they love the parents because that's that person, 695 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: because that's all that they know. It's like an animal 696 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: being mistreated, but they still respond when the master calls. 697 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,799 Speaker 1: It's just it's a bizarre scenario. But children don't know 698 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: any better. You know what. Jackie is waving her arms 699 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: at Chuck Roberts, Um, she apparently didn't like my stories, 700 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: my personal story she's some for some reason, wants me 701 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: to get back on track. Chuck Roberts crying stories of 702 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: uts to get a reporter. You're gonna tell me about 703 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: another incident? Was it regarding the girlfriend, excuse me, the 704 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: living girlfriend? It was, yes, the year old arrested in 705 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 1: late misdemeanor brawling and fighting. That charge was dismissed. But 706 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,320 Speaker 1: then the couple, Jonathan Hernandez and Emily Blast of the 707 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,360 Speaker 1: the custodial caregivers of Lucas, get into a fight uh 708 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: in April at the witch guitar proper that they shared, 709 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: and they were both arrested. She allegedly held a wooden 710 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: axe handle. There was blood on the handle, but the 711 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: officers couldn't determine who the primary aggressor was, so they 712 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,439 Speaker 1: dropped the charge against him, but they did hold her 713 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,720 Speaker 1: to account for it, and she was arrested in charge again. 714 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: Mr Scott Wendy Patrick to you, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 715 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: veteran prosecutor. I know defense attorneys will go bersert, but 716 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. 717 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: That's already two incidents documented by police. Well, now I 718 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: guess let's say three, because there's the the incident with 719 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: the father, there's the incident that she had a previous arrest, 720 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: then there's the incident with the bio mom to just 721 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: add to the humiliation of the child at the school. 722 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, that's three, three incidents, and the child 723 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: has popped up with two incidents of bruising that we 724 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: know of in defects. Of course, did nothing. I don't 725 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,760 Speaker 1: know why we pay those people. But with the Patrick, 726 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: that's a track record right there. Yeah, Nancy. The tricky 727 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,280 Speaker 1: thing with the track record like that is the prior 728 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: instances of abuse have a far more likely chance of 729 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: coming into evidence than the prior arrests of the suspected perpetrator. 730 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,800 Speaker 1: You and I have both just fought tooth and nail 731 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 1: to make admissible prior bad acts, whether it's an arrest, 732 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: whether it's a conviction. Judges often bend over backwards even 733 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: to sanitize what a suspect has done in the past, 734 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: in order to make sure the jurors only judged the 735 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: case in light of the facts that have to do 736 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: with the current incident. So the key here will be 737 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: to make those prior incidents relevant to the charges that 738 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: are being brought. It's an uphill battle, is one we 739 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,839 Speaker 1: always hope that we can fight and win, but it's 740 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: not a given that the jurors will hear anything close 741 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: to what the court of public opinion is going to 742 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 1: learn about this case. I haven't even gotten that far 743 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: in my head, Wendy Patrick. I'm still hoping, against hope 744 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 1: that there's a chance Lucas can be brought home alive. 745 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: That that's what I'm hoping. I'm worried. I'm afraid because 746 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,319 Speaker 1: of the weather. The weather is horrible even right now, 747 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: it's twenty nine degrees and snowing there. So bottom line, 748 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: unless he's with someone Joe Scott Morgan, he's perishing. In 749 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: the elements. We were talking about the pattern that had 750 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: developed over the past and how things are inadmissible right now, 751 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: what I'm worried about is this child, this baby, because 752 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: he is a baby's five years old, Nancy, And if 753 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 1: you want to talk about patterns, we have a pattern 754 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: uh involving this child of neglect. Uh. He's he's been struck. Uh, 755 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: he's been witnessed to violence. Uh. And for me as 756 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: an investigator and even bigger, you know, as a daddy. 757 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: It's terrifying to me because I want to know where 758 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 1: Lucas is. I want to know. I'm holding out hope 759 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: and sending up prayers that he is in fact, intact 760 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,840 Speaker 1: out there somewhere, uh, still among the living. Uh. But 761 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: if if worst case scenario, I want, I want to 762 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 1: know going forward that I have an investigative information that's 763 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: gonna give me an indication that I have how much 764 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: violence has been involved and is an individual capable in 765 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: his immediate circle of doing homicidal violence? Are they capable 766 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: of disposing of remains that sort of thing, Because that's 767 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 1: gonna give me a pattern that I can go to 768 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: as a medical legal death investigator and try to determine 769 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: his whereabouts. What are the possibilities that we're talking about 770 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: all the courtroom uh lawyer uh, fighting back and forth 771 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: and continuing on in court, and all that that can 772 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 1: be solved at a later date. Right now, the focus 773 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: is on Lucas. We have to find him, and we 774 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 1: have to find him now. Please help us, all of 775 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 1: you truckers out there, all of you on the road, 776 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: please look for this boy, Please help us bring him home. 777 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: I feel sick in my stomach, my head says, statistically 778 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: an evidentiary wise, Lucas is gone from this world. But 779 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: my heart says, maybe there is a chance. Tipline is 780 00:51:53,640 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: three one six, three eight, three four six six one 781 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:07,280 Speaker 1: won six three eight three four six six one. Where 782 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 1: is Lucas? Nancy Gray's crime story sighting of Goodbye Friend,