1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you as always for 3 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: tuning in. Just thinking a lot about creepy oldies music recently. 4 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember that song, Hey They're Little Miss 5 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: riding Hood. Hey They're a little Red Riding Hood. Anyway, 6 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm bad, I'm bed as soon as you said creepy, 7 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: and I knew what we're doing, Ben, I knew it 8 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: was going to be that song. Yeah, I'm no, by 9 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: the way, and he's like, you sure can't, good yo, 10 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: or everything that a big wolf could want, followed by oh, 11 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: we're not talking about how exactly today, we're talking about 12 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: more of a whistle, the infamous wolf whistle also known 13 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: as a cat call, which I always thought was interesting, 14 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: like maybe there's a there's something to be unpacked in 15 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: the differentiation between a wolf whistle and a cat call. Uh, 16 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. But it all started in this incredible 17 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: movie that I have not seen in its entirety, what 18 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: it's called Have That, To Have and Have Not, which 19 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: is a romantic kind of drama thriller from um which 20 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: I believe was one of the earliest debuts of of 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: the incredible Lauren bacall Um, and she and Humphrey Bogard 22 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: appeared across from each other in multiple films. But there's 23 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: a scene where, um, you know, they're just kind of 24 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: like the sexual tension is just killing you. It's it's palpable. 25 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: You can cut it with a knife. And uh, she 26 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: gives him a kiss and he said, well, what did 27 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: you do that for? I don't know. When we play 28 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: the clip, you know, you don't have to act with me, Steve. 29 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: You don't have to say anything, and you don't have 30 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: to do anything, not a thing. Oh maybe just whistle. 31 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: You know how to whistle down? Just Steve, you just 32 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: put your lips together and slow. You know, I've got 33 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: to say from her description it sounds a little more 34 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: simple maybe than it is, because a lot of people 35 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: struggle with whistling. But I've got to ask our super producer, 36 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram Casey, you know, we didn't want to give 37 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: you the nickname wolf Whistle for this one, and you'll 38 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: see why. But have you have you? Have you seen 39 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: to have and have not? I believe I have. Yeah. 40 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: I think it's Howard Hawks movie, and I'm pretty sure 41 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: I thought at some point in college. But it's been 42 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: a while. Did you learn to whistle from watching it? No? Um, 43 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: I've never been able to do that whistle. I can 44 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: do regular like tuneful whistling pretty well, but the wolf 45 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: whistle completely aids me. Oh but that's the thing though, 46 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: This is this is where it gets funny. She says, 47 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: put your lips together and blow, uh, which you know 48 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: the wolf whistle as I think about as where you 49 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: put your thumb and forefinger exactly. I don't know how 50 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: to do that. I don't even understand what it does do. 51 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Is it just intense? I guess you got to modulated something, 52 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: but I don't know. I feel like it just sort 53 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: of is like a little booster for a regular whistle. 54 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. But again, um, this scene really did 55 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: because you know, he does the whistle sound. You hear 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: that in the clip, and the wolf whistle is all 57 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: about the pitch modulation. It's all about the we we 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, that's it. And uh, it was that archetype 59 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: that kind of created the model of what was a 60 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: very fashionable thing for a while. It was a sign 61 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: of like, hey, good looking, you know, it's on a 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: flirtatious or whatever. But it wouldn't be terribly long before 63 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: it became uh incredibly um, maligned and in poor taste 64 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: and something that we think of now today. The idea 65 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: of cat calling is right up there with any other 66 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: form of sexual harassment. Uh. It is not okay, um, 67 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: and it's something that women don't want to have to 68 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: deal with, no question about it. But you know, back 69 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: when Bogey did it, it was kind of cute. It 70 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: was it was portrayed as you know, an aspirational, cool 71 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: thing to do, kind of like how spoken cigarettes was 72 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: portrayed for a long time. UM. But I like your 73 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: point about the sexual harassment. We have to set that 74 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: out in the very beginning. We are a history show. 75 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: But right now in lu Bush's domain of France, politicians 76 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: are seriously considering a bill where they're gonna find people 77 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: uh ninety euros if they're caught wolf whistling because they 78 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: want to try to combat sexual harassment. And then I 79 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: believe there's even a British politician who's saying, let's crack 80 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: down on this on cat calling people, wolf whistling on people. Um. 81 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: And you know, if you ask anybody, it's it's around. 82 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: It's been around. But I think to your question, Noll, 83 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: and I love the way you did the pitch there. 84 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: The question is how did this become so charged with meaning? Well, 85 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's sort of like a pop 86 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: culture trope kind of thing. You think about it in cartoons, 87 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: you know, you think about it in like tech savory cartoons, 88 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: or you know, stuff from the fifties and like the 89 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: Bogar movie, Like that is the period that I think 90 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: of that particular version of it, But it goes farther 91 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: back than that, a lot farther. Um. It you know, 92 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: was around in ancient Rome, for example. Uh, the idea 93 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: of men hissing at women, that's that's definitely a little 94 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: sinister um or whistling at them in a similar way, 95 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily the same two tone kind of structure, 96 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: but it definitely was a thing. Um. There was a 97 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: comic playwright by the name of Claudis who wrote a 98 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: play called Mercator in two inter BC, and he refers 99 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: to a young woman saying that when she passed through 100 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: the streets, all the men would look at her, leer, nod, wink, 101 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: and whistled. So you know, if that's not just literally 102 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: describing what a cat call is that I don't know 103 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: what is Yeah, and you know this always thinks I've 104 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: always been mystified by the motivation for cat calling or 105 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: whistling to people in general, Like, is there ever anybody 106 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: who's gonna like when they're eighteen, they're gonna say, oh, mom, dad, 107 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: how did you meet? And they say, well, one day 108 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: I was walking down the street, living my own life, 109 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: and your father, who was who was pretty drunk, whistled 110 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: at me and said, hey, hot stuff, you know you 111 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: look your your butt looks like too bobcats in a 112 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: tight sack fighting. And next thing you know, we're married 113 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: in Vegas and here you are and we were so happy. 114 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: We're so happy together and we love you so much, right, 115 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: and thank you for asking about our origin story. Um. Yeah, 116 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: it's something that yeah, no, exactly, Ben, Like, it's like, 117 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: what what are you after with this? It's just a flex. 118 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: It's a weird flex. It's a way of saying, hey, 119 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: look at me, exercising some form of control over you. 120 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: It's a way to make people uncomfortable, um, and to 121 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: kind of exercise some form of dominance. Uh, in my 122 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: in my opinion, and it certainly feels that way in 123 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: the Roman version of it, where it's a group of 124 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: men with a lone female passing through the streets and 125 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: them trying to exercise some kind of control over her. 126 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: Certainly there's no sense that they went after her tried 127 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: to physically harm her or rape her or anything. But 128 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, enough alcohol and enough ill will and horrible 129 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: nous that certainly would be an escalation of something like that. 130 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: So that's part of it too. There's an implication of hey, 131 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: we see you, and yeah, you better be careful or 132 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: we might do something about it. You know, somehow have 133 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: that power over a person. It's interesting, you know we're 134 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: mentioning uh, mercator merchant because for still scholars are debating 135 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: whether or not that's the first mention of whistling used 136 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: in this way. It may depend on translation. But there's 137 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: another theory to the idea that this again very distinct 138 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: whistle may have its roots in maritime history, that it 139 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: may have come from sailors trying to communicate at sea. Yeah, 140 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: they had a certain type of horn or like a 141 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: pipe I guess called a boatswain's pipe that would make 142 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: what was referred to as a general call. That was 143 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: a way of communicating at sea, and you know, you 144 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: think of sailors being away, see with no women around, 145 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: they get back to you know, sure, and they're let's 146 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: just say, feeling a bit deprived of the company of women, 147 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: therefore perhaps acting a little let's say thirsty, um, and 148 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, behaving poorly towards women, whether involving alcohol or otherwise. Uh. 149 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: And again, I'm sure there are plenty of you know, 150 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: very polite sailors that would you know, just court a 151 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: woman in a any much more gentlemanly fashion. But it 152 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: certainly was rife for these kinds of rumors that Okay, 153 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: the general call is where this came from, was a 154 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: way of getting sailors attention, for trying to get each 155 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: other's attention, and they some historians believe that when they docked, 156 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: they would do the same thing to let each other know, Okay, 157 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: we got a live one here, we were spotted an 158 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: attractive lady. This is controversial. There's an article in The 159 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: Independent which kind of explains why politicians have been considered 160 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: oring doing a band of this sort. Uh. A lexicographer 161 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: Grant Barrett has one problem with this um wolf whistle theory. 162 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: It's that as far as he can tell, it's not true. 163 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: Historians at Britain's Royal Navy and its National Maritime Museum 164 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: UH said that they had never heard of this before. 165 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: They thought it would be unusual that sailors would take 166 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: a specific call used for emergency situations to leer at women, 167 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: but nol. We found the We found a collection of 168 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: the varying whistles and calls that sailors use, and there 169 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: is one that sounds a lot like a wolf whistle. 170 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Right well, dude, I mean to me, it strikes me 171 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: as being like the equivalent of like an air traffic 172 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: controller using like hand signals to like signal a woman, 173 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, is interested in a woman, like bringing out 174 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: his lighted like lightsaber baton thing with this like orange 175 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: vest on doing exactly that's the word. Uh, this would 176 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: be very similar because this would have been like a 177 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: a pretty I don't know, sacred has maybe taken a 178 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: little too far, but these were sounds that they were 179 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: allied on for safety, and we're very specific to different 180 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: conditions and you know, different navigational um maneuvers that they 181 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: would need to make, etcetera. So the idea that they 182 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: would have taken one of a lexicon of these sounds 183 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: and use that on land to kind of leer at 184 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: a woman. Just doesn't make a lot of sense, though 185 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: there is one of them that does resemble that classic 186 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: wolf whistle sound that we heard Humphrey Bogart do. Let's 187 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: let's hear that one real quick. It's for the maneuver 188 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: of turn two. Okay, I mean yeah that I can 189 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: see why you would think like people would think that. 190 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: It makes sense to me. It's logical, right, it does. 191 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: And I have to run through the rest of these 192 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: because they're all so cool sounding. We've got a judah 193 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: temps call all hands, you know that one bill at 194 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: heave around mess call im assuming that's food past the 195 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: word piping the side. I like that one um secure 196 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: general quarters, which I guess would mean stay inside sweepers. 197 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: And then we've got turned two, which was our wolfie sound. 198 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: And then these are these are a series of veers. 199 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: Maybe you can fill me in on this spinner offer 200 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: some conjecture that's V I E R S. And there 201 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: are four varieties eight side boys, four side boys, six 202 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: side boys, and two side boys. And again you can 203 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: find all of these at archive dot org if you 204 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: are in the maritime industry. I'd love to hear whether 205 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: these are still in use. Uh, and you know, to 206 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: tell us more weird stories about life on the boat 207 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: and what's up with them boys, that's what I want 208 00:12:50,880 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: to know. We're always concerned with them boys. There's one 209 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: question we have not addressed in this. If it did come, 210 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: you know, from a maritime source, if it whatever its origin, 211 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: maybe how did it become called a wolf whistle? John Lucas, 212 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: who penned a Brief History of whistling another very specific 213 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: experts exactly like the guy for whistles. He has his 214 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: own theory and it is this. He said, he was 215 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: talking with an elderly shepherd and the shepherd, you know, 216 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: was also an expert in hurting sheep. And this guy 217 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: told him that he trained sheep dogs and he has 218 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of calls for the sheep dogs, and that 219 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: one of those sounds exactly like a wolf whistle. And 220 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 1: then John Lucas apparently said that's kind of politically incorrect, 221 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: and they said, no, no, no, it's it's kosher. It's 222 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: from Albania, that's right. Um. He explained that in the 223 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: mountains of southern Europe, Shepherds have used this tone the 224 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: two notes for centuries to communicate with their dogs and 225 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: let them know whenever wolves appeared. You can train a 226 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: dog to respond to a particular set of tones. We 227 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: know that you can make them drool when you blow. 228 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: Wasn't that a whistle a bell? That was a bell 229 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: with the Pavlov dog situation. Yeah, so again you can absolutely, 230 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: like you know, condition a dog to respond or to 231 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: be aware of what a certain sound means. And the 232 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: key was and honestly, as a sort of a sound nerd, 233 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: I guess modulating sound causes it to carry better. So 234 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: if you have like the high low, it gives you 235 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: these like two opportunities to catch the sound kind of 236 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I'm not being super scientific about it, 237 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: but this this proved to be true. It would carry 238 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: for miles uh and and especially in the open planes 239 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: of like you know, pastures of sheep, grays and lands 240 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: or what have you. Um, And so there we go. 241 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: I feel like we can put that one to bed 242 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: as well. So this wasn't a wolf whistle per se. 243 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: It was more a whistle, not a whistle that a 244 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: wolf would do. A wolf being sort of like a 245 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: like a cartoonist stand in for like a you know, 246 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: bad guy, right, like a bag. Yeah, I don't know, 247 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: but I don't know wolves. I understand calling somebody a dog. 248 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: Dogs are nice. That we're talking about dogs here, dogs 249 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: protecting the dogs against the wolves with the wolf whistle. Um. 250 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: So it does get confusing, and it's not easy to 251 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: insert your own interpretation when things just fit so closely. 252 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: I mean, even that boat wains call had me going 253 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: because it sure sounds the same when you look at 254 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: the motivation behind it or what it would have taken, 255 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, to uh kind of what's the word co 256 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,359 Speaker 1: opt that it starts to feel a little questionable, right, yeah, exactly. 257 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: And and John Lucas says that he saw this for 258 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: himself when he was a kid in World War Two, 259 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: because there would be a lot of soldiers from the 260 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: US who would hang around and try to whistle at 261 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: women who are going in and out of church halls 262 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: and social buildings. And if we could, I love to 263 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: do just a quick re enactment of a actual facts, 264 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: as our pal Lare and Vogelbam would say, newsreel about 265 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: wolf whistling. It's a report from July. It sometimes takes 266 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of coaxing, but mostly these men of 267 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: the Six Corps enjoy the swanky swimming hole on their 268 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: day off. Nestled amongst the peaks of the Austrian Tyrone, 269 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: it offers rest and relaxation to war weary Vet. Sue's 270 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: duties have become less pressing since v E Day. I'm sorry, 271 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: what is v E Day? Oh? It's victory in Europe day. Ah. Yes, 272 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: and I want to say poinding app just one gas. 273 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: But the guy he left behind can rest easily because, 274 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: as these signal call pictures show, the non fraternization order 275 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: is still in effect. Tirolean gals are mighty enticing and 276 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: all a wolf can do is how but maybe when 277 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: the dourist trade opens up again. We we I can't 278 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: really do. It's got to make the sound. Uh, but 279 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: that that isn't that is part of it. G I 280 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: wolf whistles baby. Oh. And I did learn the I 281 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: did learn the science of it, which is actually it's 282 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: funny to explain because it sounds really simple. You take 283 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: your lips and you kind of like dish, You tuck 284 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: your lips back around your teeth and let them hang loose. Yeah, 285 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: and then you can you choose a set of fingers 286 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: either you could do your index or middle or your pinky, 287 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: whatever speaks to you. Yeah, and you put them together 288 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: so that there's like there's like a tiny gap between 289 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: the fingers. I push your tongue out. How is this 290 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: going to translate? Casey, push your tongue out, so it's 291 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: like one set me or behind your cheek. I put 292 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: kind of pop your tongue up, and you try to 293 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: blow the air through that gap over the top of 294 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: your tongue. No, get, get, get do it, get do it? 295 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: Bend And I really hope we didn't gross everybody out 296 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: with all our mouth sounds. You you do it? Can 297 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: you do it? Uh? Not yet, but I am I'm 298 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: gonna try to learn it. Okay, I'm gonna try. But anyway, 299 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: so there is a way to do it. But we're 300 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: what what we're establishing with that is it's the same 301 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of whistle all the way through from ancient probably 302 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: ancient room up through World War two. But for most 303 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: of us, well I don't want to make assumptions, but 304 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: for many of us listening, definitely, all three of us. 305 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: The first um the first image that comes to our 306 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: mind when we think of wolf Whistles is, like you 307 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: said at the top, nel cartoons, not all of which 308 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: have aged well. Pepe lapew is a real creep. Yeah, 309 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: he's basically like a kind of a low key stalker 310 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: who uh you know he's he's so gentle and kind 311 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: of nonchalant about it that you know, it takes you 312 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: a minute to wrap your head around the fact that 313 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: he's just kind of like a serial killer, Like he's 314 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: just relentless. He's like a terminator type figure. But yeah, 315 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: I know, the cartoons of Text Avery, some of those 316 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: have an aged particularly well either, and that's because they're 317 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: taking a lot of the cues from their sexist and 318 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: often racist times in which they were around nineteen thirty seven. 319 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: For example, in a Little Red Walking Hood, Uh, in 320 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: one of Avery's cartoons where his iconic wolf figure which 321 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: you see it in in memes and and gifts a 322 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: lot where his tongue rolls out of his mouth because 323 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: he's googling it's some you know, pretty lady, and his 324 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: eyes pop out and all that stuff. It's just this 325 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: kind of the nature of it is that he's completely unhinged, 326 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: out of control of any of his bodily uh desires, right, 327 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: and it's going to stop at nothing to have said woman. Right, 328 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen like on camera or in frame. But yeah, 329 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: it's definitely a thing, and it's it's very it's hard 330 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: to watch, honestly, but the animation is is pretty incredible. Yeah, 331 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: well that this is the fascinating part about this, right, 332 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: so many of us understanding in the context of depictions 333 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: and cartoons, right, but Little Red Walking Hood which you 334 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: which you mentioned, is pivotal here because I think it's 335 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: the first time text Avery had depicted a cartoon wolf whistling. Uh. 336 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: And he he chases the protagonists around until someone knocks 337 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: him over the head with a hammer. And this is 338 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: clearly supposed to be justice being served. Right. You're the audience, 339 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: You're supposed to be happy that this wolf creature got 340 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: has come up and uh and and according to analysts, 341 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: that's because in the ninetties, it was not considered a 342 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: good thing to be a lithario, a ladies man, you know, um, 343 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: any other words you want to put in there. And 344 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: it only later evolved over the next few decades too, 345 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: something like a positive image, which is weird to me 346 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: that they started out, um not glorifying this. You know, 347 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: I didn't know that Ben. That's interesting to me. So 348 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: he really is kind have considered the villain in some 349 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: of these cartoons, and I always thought it was just 350 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: kind of normalizing that behavior. But that's uh, that's that's interesting. 351 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: And a lot of this you can read about Pierre Flouquet, 352 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: who wrote the comic Language of Texas Avery. Um. He 353 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: he you know, knows the man in and out, and 354 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: he knows all of the nuances of his career and 355 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: you know, his contributions to you know, tropes like this, 356 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: um and it's crazy. I was getting a little confused 357 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: because there's another Red Hood character. Avery did, Red Hot 358 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: Riding Hood. Obviously things were you know, getting a little 359 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: more risque. Uh and and and you know it's super 360 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: um creative. It's the kind of things that you see 361 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: like depicted in the Who Framed Roger Rabbit, like that 362 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: style of things where you know, there's this weird kind 363 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: of self mutilation kind of vibe where the wolf is. 364 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna say it horny for this, you know, 365 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: attractive kind of Betty Boop, Uh, Jessica Rabbit asque little 366 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: Red writing character that he's trying to like bash himself 367 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: repeatedly over the hammer to knock himself out so he 368 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: doesn't like do a bad thing, like you know what 369 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Like it feels like he's trying to numb 370 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: his senses so he won't just rape this character. Like 371 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty insane. Yeah, it's. It's troubling. Um Technically. 372 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: The animation, though, is very well done. It's like hand 373 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: drawn and stuff. It's it's an iconic scene. Even if 374 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: you feel like you have not seen it, you have 375 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: seen some version of it. It occurs, of course and 376 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: who framed Roger Rabbit? It occurs in countless cartoons after. 377 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: It's also in and I thought of this too. It's 378 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: also in The Mask starring Jim Carrey. I love the 379 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: comic books. I don't know if I'm gonna watch it 380 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: again though, I'm not sure how it aged. I'll watch, 381 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll watch one clip on YouTube. Ben 382 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: somebody needs to stop you again. No, that's just that 383 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: was his like catchphrase. They stopped me from watching The 384 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: Mask again. I remember seeing in theater the first time 385 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: you ever saw Cameron Diaz and she was also like, 386 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: that's the thing. The thing about the little Red Riding 387 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Hood character in Red Hot Riding Hood is she is 388 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: she is a sex object. That is how she is 389 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: depicted and nothing else. She is meant to be like 390 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: busty and sexy, and it's kind of scantily clad and 391 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: the wolf just loses his mind. And that's what happens 392 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: in the Mask as well with with the Cameron Diaz character. 393 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: She's wearing this crazy like low cut, you know, kind 394 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: of Vegas show girl type skirt and he just, you know, 395 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: his heart starts beating out of his chest and all 396 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: of that stuff is from the tech savory tropes, but yeah, 397 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: it's it's super troubling and definitely doesn't age well. Um 398 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: and likely was just as responsible for Humphrey Bogart in 399 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: popularizing this as a kind of lothario esque kind of move. 400 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: But the thing is that the Humphrey Bogart seem It's 401 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: really interesting about that is the Lauren McCall character is 402 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: super empowered, Like she's it's in his lap on her 403 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: own and she kisses him without permission and then does 404 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: it a second time. Uh and and she has complete 405 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: control in that situation. So it's very very different and 406 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: when he whistles after she has kind of baited him 407 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: into doing it. So again, very different. There's a lot 408 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: more consent between these two characters than there would be 409 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: a traditional you know, cat call or even this cartoon depiction. Right, yeah, agreed, 410 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: Just to give you a sense of how sexualized this 411 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: tex Savery cartoon is. Again, that's the Red Hot Riding Hood. Uh. 412 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: It ran into trouble with sensors in the beginning. And 413 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: now uh the author you mentioned earlier, No, now, now 414 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: people believe it was only able to be shown on 415 00:24:55,040 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: screen because the US military wanted cartoons like it. They're 416 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: a fascinating theory here. Luke says, if you increase the 417 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: libido or you know, the thirstiness of soldiers by watching cartoons, 418 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: they'll get frustrated. If they get frustrated, they become more aggressive. 419 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: And if they become more aggressive, that's the logic here, 420 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: they become better soldiers. And you know, this is apparently 421 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: the gist of what Army commissioners said when they were 422 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, describing what they wanted wartime cartoons to do. 423 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: And the last note on Red Hot Riding Hood. It 424 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: was seen by so many US soldiers and by so 425 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: many kids in the US that if they weren't already, 426 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: you know, thinking of wolf whistles as cool, they were now. 427 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: And that's why the first mention of wolf whistling comes 428 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: in a newspaper. But if we are being fair, we 429 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: have to tell you about something that I don't know about. 430 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: You guys, It blew my mind. I had never heard 431 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: of this. There is apparently an equivalent to a wolf whistle, 432 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: but from the other side of the sexual divide. Yeah, 433 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: it's called the slurp. And it was reported on in 434 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: February n the Fresno b Um, where it's has that 435 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: a group of Fulton Streets scientists report that at last 436 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: they have identified and isolated the female version of the 437 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: wolf whistle that often heard call used by men of 438 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: the armed forces when their trail crosses that of the 439 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: opposite sex. For certain reasons, this group of scientists do 440 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: not want their names published. I wonder why. Uh it 441 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: seems unnecessary to add that their research is undertaken for 442 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: no particular reason. This sounds like an onion article to me. Uh, 443 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: there anyone can think of? They call this female and 444 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: with the wolf whistle to slurp. The slurp is defined 445 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: as a soft female noise made with the teeth, tongue, 446 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: and lips, which sounds exactly as it is spelled uh 447 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: and which sometimes but not always, means roger, as in 448 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: like yeah, I oh like whistle like whistle heard and 449 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: copy that broke? Like that? Is it like a click click? 450 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: I casey, you know behind the curtain here. I cannot 451 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: find any like documentation of this. You're the you're the 452 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: person who uh off like, uh, I think both well, 453 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: I misspoke, I thought it was I had something completely 454 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: different in mind. Okay, Okay, so I don't know. I 455 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: cannot corroborate any of that. Okay, because because when we 456 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier, oh yeah the slur yeah 457 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: in case he got no excite, you were like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 458 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: We're talking about especially like cartoon sounds. I can think 459 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: of a few, I don't know, almost like the Hannibal 460 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: Lecter thing or whatever. But um yeah, yeah exactly, that's 461 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: kind of what it popped in my head. I did 462 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: not Whatever this thing is is something else. Can you 463 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: imagine cat call it? Like? Can you imagine if one 464 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: of these guys had put out a wolf whistle and uh, 465 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: the person's whistling at hit him back with that hannibal 466 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: lecter fava beans and can't you know I wonder how 467 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: that would go? Oh man, Yeah, it's it's crazy. Though. 468 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: There is a screenshot of this page the Fresno b article. 469 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: Uh makes you pay money to look at it in 470 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: full screen. But I can see that this article that's 471 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: being referenced here and in our materials is uh is 472 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: a thing. Maybe it's some kind of satire. I don't know. 473 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: I certainly had never heard of the slurp, so perhaps 474 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: let's not report this. Is that the actual facts the thing, 475 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: because now that we're googling it, Uh, it doesn't seem 476 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: to be much to back this up. But I like 477 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: the idea of the existence of a of a female 478 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: equivalent to the wolf whistle. Yeah, fight the power. We 479 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: do also have records of wolf whistling being so popular 480 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: they were whistling contests. Uh. It was even used once 481 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: as sort of a talent portion of a beauty pageant 482 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: type thing, when seventeen year old Janice Norse on September one, 483 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: the title Miss Sheboygan uh due impart to her incredibly 484 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: piercing wolf whistle. Fascinating I'm a big fan of precision whistling. 485 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: You know, this wolf whistle thing is a little bit 486 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: more of like a blunt instrument. But you know, if 487 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: you think about like snow White, her ability to whistle like, 488 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, in this really melodic, kind of polyphonic, almost 489 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: kind of way. Um, there is an Atlanta artist or 490 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: formerly of Atlanta. She lives in Los Angeles now, but 491 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: her name's u adron uh And and she has this 492 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: ability to do these like just super precise whistled um 493 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: sections and a lot of her music. I highly recommend 494 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: checking your out if you want to hear some really cool, 495 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: non offensive whistling. How about Andrew bird Man. We gotta 496 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: give it up for him too. I love whistling and music. Oh, agreed, agreed. Yeah, 497 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. So you may be asking 498 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: yourself whither the wolf whistle? Where did it go? Because 499 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: you don't hear it as much now, I would imagine 500 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: you see you still see it pop up in fiction, 501 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: But it seems like according to a couple of the 502 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: people we mentioned earlier, um, it started dying out in 503 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: the nineties seventies because partially the rise of feminism, prosecuting 504 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: for women's rights. Hey, I shouldn't be her asked just 505 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: because I'm walking to the store. Uh. And then people 506 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: started seeing it as uncool, as a more demeaning thing 507 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: to do to other people. And now one of the 508 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: big debates is how will it be depicted in the future. 509 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think I remember this whistle 510 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: occurring and things like the mask and and things like, um, 511 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, cartoons, but not any recent ones. Yeah, I 512 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: mean it was definitely using like you know, I think probably. Uh. 513 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: The way it's used now is to seem dated or 514 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: two in some way kind of create like an atmosphere, 515 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: even though it was used in movies. Originally there was 516 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember which writer in our research material said this, 517 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: but the idea was to um very quickly convey some 518 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: things about a character, either uh kind of trashy sort 519 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: of like you know, lithario ness or flirtation or sometimes both, 520 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, And it was it was a very quick 521 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: way of expressing that, as it was done in the 522 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: movie Grease. There's um the uses of wolf whistles in 523 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: Grease to kind of help create that vibe of like 524 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: the fifties. But again that's a movie that was made 525 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: in the late seventies that was a period piece about 526 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: the fifties, and then some musical obviously, so that makes 527 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: sense to use it in that way. Or in Legally Blonde, 528 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: for example, it's used for kind of like a gag 529 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: in which Reese Witherspoon's character talks about how she's comfortable 530 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: using legal jargon in everyday life. Then a man wolf 531 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: whistles and she says, I object. Uh. So, you know, 532 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: it's definitely something that has been absolutely canceled because of 533 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: the me Too movement and just a lot more forward 534 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: momentum in you know, not tolerating with any of the 535 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: kind of sexism or uh implied, you know, dominance of 536 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: men over women that we were talking about on the 537 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: top of the show. That's just not a thing that 538 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: people are okay with anymore. I mean, at least the 539 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: people that that I know. Uh. And and it's becoming 540 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: less and less possible to carry on this kind of 541 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: behavior and not just be completely shut down with how 542 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: quickly things can spread on the internet. And that is why, 543 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: that is why super producer Casey Pegram did not want 544 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: to give you the albatross of the nickname wolf Whistle. 545 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: It felt like a condemnation uh and an undeserved when 546 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: and hey, you know, maybe that's the reason the three 547 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: of us don't know how to do it, because we 548 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: were because of the time we were raised in um, 549 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: which which I think is fine. I'm sure there are 550 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: plenty of other amazing whistles you can learn uh and 551 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,479 Speaker 1: watch and here in music and story and song. Uh, 552 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: but this was this was pretty eye opening to me. 553 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad we did this one man too. Yeah. It's 554 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: definitely not something I really think about because it does 555 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: feel like such a dated thing, but it really is. 556 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: You know, there are people still in the me too 557 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: kind of discussions or just in general about like, you know, 558 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: not treating women like trash. Uh. The idea of cat 559 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: calling is still very much a thing, and that's just 560 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: sort of an escalation of the wolf whistle, just using 561 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: words just what like unsolicited comments about women's bodies or 562 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: just about you know, their existence, uh, in terms of 563 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: how it would benefit men. So yeah, wolf whistling still exists, 564 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: at least in terms of the escalation or just like 565 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: a more rhetorical version of it, where people are shouting 566 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: out at women from across the street. That's the idea 567 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: is just allowed unsolicited uh advance, let's say, but back 568 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: in the fifties and stuff, it was considered good, clean fun, 569 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: and it'll be like, hey, come on, you don't have 570 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: a sense of humor, like just doesn't mean anything. And 571 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: we want to hear your experience, your opinion on this. 572 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: If you are a person with a talent for uh 573 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: for for whistling. I was trying to think of a 574 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: cooler way to say you are. If you are a 575 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: whistler yourself, we'd love to hear some of your input 576 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: on whistles, the history of whistles. Uh. At this point, 577 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm just saying the word whistle because it's as fun 578 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: as saying she Boygan. Anyhow, thank you as always to 579 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: give Louisia who refuses to tell us how to pronounce 580 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: his last name, And of course thank you to super 581 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram thanks to Alex Williams. A composed our theme. 582 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: Christopher Haciota is also here in spirit. Jonathan Strickland, that 583 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: notorious and DVS quister. I hope to have you back soon, buddy, 584 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: or you know, maybe die in a fire. No, don't 585 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: do that. We love you. 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