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Speaker 1: Rarely am I so excited? I don't even care if
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Speaker 1: a story as I am today?
Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 3: Can I sit out? And this is gonna be a
Speaker 3: nine minute Brian opening?
Speaker 1: I mean you can if you want to, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna want to talk, all right. We all want to
Speaker 1: talk about an interesting private meeting reportedly took place this week.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this from Wrestlingobserver dot com and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go an interesting private meeting reportedly took
Speaker 1: placed this week. Shane McMahon is said to have met
Speaker 1: with Tony Kahan on to discuss possibilities moving forward Wreussell
Speaker 1: Talk and Fight forul A reporting the meeting was held
Speaker 1: in Arlington, Texas, where aw is running a residency at
Speaker 1: the Esports Stadium until mid August. Russell Talk obtained the
Speaker 1: below image of the meeting, which we'll talk about in
Speaker 1: a moment. Rumors regarding Shane McMahon to AWD began last
Speaker 1: month when Conrad Thompson mentioned on a podcast that he'd
Speaker 1: heard McMahon sent feelers to the company. However, Tony Kahn
Speaker 1: told Dave Meltzer he had never met or spoken to McMahon.
Speaker 1: Meltzer also later wrote that McMahon had never seriously pushed
Speaker 1: to get into the company. One person noted to US
Speaker 1: said Dave that there was a conversation between McMahon and
Speaker 1: an ex WWE tallent inn AW. It was described as
Speaker 1: not a pitch to get in or anything, just two
Speaker 1: people chatting when McMahon said something to the effect of,
Speaker 1: can you imagine if I walked out there on dynamite?
Speaker 1: I heard the rumor he might be interested, said Tony
Speaker 1: Kahan too, sports illustrated. I've never met Shane, but we
Speaker 1: have a lot of mutual friends. I have a lot
Speaker 1: of respect for him as an executive and a professional wrestler.
Speaker 1: I'm dying here. Shane is always welcome in AW. And
Speaker 1: there was an instant where McMahon and Mercedes had a
Speaker 1: chance encounter at an airport as well. And I will say, okay,
Speaker 1: I will say, I may be a fool here. I
Speaker 1: do believe that that was in fact a chance meeting. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: so I.
Speaker 3: Heard us poors don't have a chance to get to
Speaker 3: the Delta Club much or anything like that. That's where
Speaker 3: the mighty mingle.
Speaker 1: I heard about this earlier this morning. I was mildly amused.
Speaker 1: And then I saw the photograph. Have you said, I
Speaker 1: have guys seen the photo? Please please put please tell
Speaker 1: me you've seen the photo of Tony Khan and Shane McMahon.
Speaker 3: It's out there now.
Speaker 1: I suppose it's possible, Okay, it's possible that this is
Speaker 1: some sort of photoshop. Okay, However, this photo has been
Speaker 1: out for hours and hours and hours, and at this point,
Speaker 1: the reality is this. It's either real or if it's
Speaker 1: a photoshop. Tony Khan wants you to believe it's real
Speaker 1: because nobody has Oh, you know, it's not real, etcetera, etcetera. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna presume for the sake of argument that
Speaker 1: this is a legitimate photograph. Okay, it's like, this is
Speaker 1: like after dark. I gotta explain this photograph to people
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot. There there's a long desk. Tony is sitting
Speaker 1: in front of it. There a chair on the opposite
Speaker 1: side of the table. Shane McMahon is leaning against it.
Speaker 1: They are both looking at the camera. Shane McMahon is
Speaker 1: merely looking stern and Tony Kahan is like this, He's
Speaker 1: got his hand on his face. Ah, I've been caught now.
Speaker 1: I saw this photograph. I howled, I cried with laughter.
Speaker 1: It's the funniest frickin' photograph you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1: Dying Okay, and when I saw it immediately. I don't
Speaker 1: care what anybody says. Okay, I don't care. I know
Speaker 1: some people don't like this word. I'm gonna use it anyway.
Speaker 1: Do not be a mark. You cannot convince me that
Speaker 1: this photo was not leaked by Tony Khan, either leaked
Speaker 1: by Tony Khan or approved to be leaked by Tony kan.
Speaker 1: You guys don't get it. This guy, Tony, nice guy,
Speaker 1: been on our show, Friendly Chap. I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: thing about this guy. He is so paranoid about leaks. Okay,
Speaker 1: the stories I could tell you, this guy is petrified
Speaker 1: of anything getting out. I've heard stories of like you
Speaker 1: would be like what you go to a show. He
Speaker 1: doesn't even put like the lineup of the show, and
Speaker 1: like who beats you or anything anywhere backstage. It's absolutely
Speaker 1: completely secret, and it's been like this for a while.
Speaker 1: And as I've mentioned before, it's it's actually hilarious because
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to a lot of people there,
Speaker 1: and I have for years. Okay, I think maybe maybe
Speaker 1: one time ever a person directly told me a finish
Speaker 1: of an upcoming match. Once, okay, once in all these years,
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of other things, but like nobody
Speaker 1: spoils who beats who or things like that. But like,
Speaker 1: this guy's so paranoid he he won't even tell anybody
Speaker 1: what they're doing, who's beating who, whatever. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: I can figure out the finish of ninety nine point
Speaker 1: nine percent of these matches just because I know exactly
Speaker 1: how this guy books. There's nothing being leaked, No thing
Speaker 1: that being leaked is his brain. So anyway, he's all paranoid.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like anything getting out. Everything is like. So
Speaker 1: the point of this is, from what I know stories
Speaker 1: I've heard, there is no chance somebody walked in on
Speaker 1: this meeting, took a photograph tony ah and then they
Speaker 1: fled and they put it out on the internet. No chance, zero, zilch,
Speaker 1: not a chance in the world. Okay, so he wants
Speaker 1: it out there. Why, Well, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I don't have any inside of information on this one,
Speaker 1: but I don't know.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: I think Shane's coming in. I think he's coming in.
Speaker 1: Why would you leak this? Why would you allow this
Speaker 1: to go out on the internet if you did not
Speaker 1: intend to bring this man in? Why would you do that?
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Because somebody did it without their knowledge and would get
Speaker 3: fired for it, and we'd have a rebuttal and some
Speaker 3: sort of statement. But we haven't gotten any of that.
Speaker 3: So maybe Shane is coming in.
Speaker 1: Shane what wressell to hang out with m JF colly.
Speaker 3: Hey, look, don't tell me that Darby Allen and Shane
Speaker 3: McMahon in the same sentence.
Speaker 1: Brother, Do you remember Shane McMahon's last WWE entering appearance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I'm bringing in.
Speaker 1: He tore both quads, if I recall correctly. Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: in the first, the second, the first seconds of this match,
Speaker 1: old as Shane, he's older than I am.
Speaker 3: Didn't Matt Hardy fall off a fortlift onto his head
Speaker 3: onto concrete, didn't Darby Allen dive off of.
Speaker 1: He's fifty four years old, dude, fifty four years old.
Speaker 3: Not in Shane McMahon's mind, he's not. That's the problem
Speaker 3: goes out there every time he Well, don't worry. He'll
Speaker 3: be able to be controlled by Tony Kahn and be
Speaker 3: able to be very limited in what he can do.
Speaker 1: I've never been so disgusted with something you said on
Speaker 1: the show. Stop already, Well, I mean we'll see.
Speaker 12: Hey.
Speaker 3: It got people talking. It got people talking for good
Speaker 3: and for because the first thing that I saw were
Speaker 3: a bunch of aw fans just rolling their eyes, hating
Speaker 3: the idea, hating the thought. But it also got a
Speaker 3: lot of people talking into oh my god, what if
Speaker 3: Shane was there? And then their fantasy booking minds go,
Speaker 3: what if he was with m JF. What if he
Speaker 3: does do this? What if he runs into Christian? What
Speaker 3: is Christian gonna say to him?
Speaker 1: So Shane versus Miss with Snoop as a RAF, was
Speaker 1: that Shane's opponent? Okay, yeah, brother, I watched that match.
Speaker 1: The first guy'd hires Snoop. He was the best guy
Speaker 1: in that match by Miles.
Speaker 3: Best guy at the Olympics. Right now, I don't know
Speaker 3: what else is going on over there in France, but
Speaker 3: I know Snoop Dogg is over there having a field day.
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Speaker 1: I've been asked by one of my beloved subscribers on Twitter,
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Speaker 1: a question, ask, I'll answer. I may even do an
Speaker 1: Ama today as the kids call it, only for my
Speaker 1: Twitter subscribers. But anyway, they said, you got a fantasy book,
Speaker 1: this Shane thing. Okay, believe it or not. I can
Speaker 1: do this. It is actually easy, okay, And I actually
Speaker 1: don't think it's a terrible idea, all right. Number one,
Speaker 1: this man needs to be nowhere near creative, though. We
Speaker 1: don't need to worry about that because I don't see
Speaker 1: any chance of Tony handing over creative to Shane McMahon.
Speaker 1: That's just not gonna happen, Okay. I wish he'd be
Speaker 1: just like anybody else, makes some offers, offer some ideas. Whatever.
Speaker 1: He ain't taken over creative, so we don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about that. If that's your concern, okay, I'd be
Speaker 1: fine with Shane book and Ring of Honor. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening either. But the other thing
Speaker 1: is he absolutely, do you understand me, absolutely positively cannot
Speaker 1: be an inn ring performer. Okay. I don't mean this
Speaker 1: in a flippant way, but this is for health reasons. Okay,
Speaker 1: it would be it would be just wrong to let
Speaker 1: this man wrestle at fifty four years old. Okay, the
Speaker 1: answer is no. The answer is no. Now, there is
Speaker 1: an easy storyline which I actually like, and that is
Speaker 1: that Shane McMahon buys the Young Bucks aw shares and
Speaker 1: he becomes the Heel half owner. Because listen, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I know everyone's gonna say it's a stupid idea, I
Speaker 1: don't like it. Whatever, Okay, but here's the deal. We're
Speaker 1: already doing that. Okay, You've already got the Young Bucks
Speaker 1: as like the heel owners, and Tony is the babyface owner.
Speaker 1: And when this whole thing started, it actually made a
Speaker 1: little bit of sense because Tony got injured, he couldn't
Speaker 1: go to the shows, and so the storyline was when
Speaker 1: the Young Bucks are at the shows because Tony's not
Speaker 1: there and their EVPs they get to make all of
Speaker 1: the rules. So they made all the rules and there
Speaker 1: was no Tony con there to stop them. Well, it
Speaker 1: was like two weeks later. Tony comes back. He's totally fine.
Speaker 1: But then, like the Young Bucks inexplicably are still heel
Speaker 1: owners and they make these decisions, and Tony makes these decisions,
Speaker 1: and it's never explained, like, why can't Tony override these
Speaker 1: two EVPs? They make a horrible decision for the When
Speaker 1: did Tony just say, not happening, I'm back, I'm in charge.
Speaker 1: There's never been an explanation for it. Okay, if you
Speaker 1: say both of them and now, hangman, since you know
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's under their thumb or what who are
Speaker 1: the other EVPs right now? It's it's those two and
Speaker 1: uh Omega who he's out of action so he has
Speaker 1: no voting power. But anyway, the point is they they
Speaker 1: sell all of their their stock to uh Shane and
Speaker 1: hey listen.
Speaker 3: And the consortium was me Vince.
Speaker 1: Where I'm not. I'm not a huge Shane McMahon fan,
Speaker 1: never have been, but as a as a heel owner,
Speaker 1: and his role is merely to be the mouthpiece for
Speaker 1: the heels. The Young Bucks their their their job is
Speaker 1: to go do matches. Okay, their job is not to
Speaker 1: do the not to do all the talking. You know,
Speaker 1: if you ever watch The Young Bucks, it looks like
Speaker 1: Nick never wants to talk anyway. So you have Shane
Speaker 1: out there to do it. He's the guy that gets
Speaker 1: the heat, you know, he's a big name whatever, and
Speaker 1: he's the one that makes all the terrible decisions. And
Speaker 1: you go that way, I think, if you're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna bring the guy in, I can't think
Speaker 1: of anything else that you do with him than that. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna come out and hug Tony like Bischoff and
Speaker 1: Vince and they killed the invasion angle dead. No, it's
Speaker 1: just there's bad guy McMahon, good guy Tony. That's it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and it's gonna go what for perpetuity?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I mean the way that Tony books. Yes,
Speaker 1: this will be a fifteen year storyline.
Speaker 3: The problem there is, then, in my opinion, then you
Speaker 3: continue on with this really stupid storyline. And to me, okay,
Speaker 3: if that's the storyline for a guy like me, a
Speaker 3: fan like me who was watching this in my mind,
Speaker 3: what's the countdown? Then to Shad Khan because that's.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's fine, that's fine. I'm all over Shad as
Speaker 1: an on screen character.
Speaker 3: But the problem is he doesn't want to be Tony.
Speaker 3: Khan did a terrible job following up. Yes, the stuff
Speaker 3: with the draft and all that, Yeah, he had to
Speaker 3: play into all that. But then there was when he
Speaker 3: came to the show again. Ice Fine, he's just kind
Speaker 3: of here. The EVPs have no cut contracts. That's why
Speaker 3: they can run wild, why they can't be demoted. We
Speaker 3: have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1: It's just overrule like they were for years and years.
Speaker 1: Tony always got to make the decisions like it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 3: None of it, none of it really makes sense. And
Speaker 3: then we had these battles between these factions and legions
Speaker 3: that were big. It was anarchy in the arena. It
Speaker 3: was blood and guts. What were they all fighting for?
Speaker 3: They were all kind of fighting. So you know what,
Speaker 3: let it go to me. If you're gonna bring him
Speaker 3: in and you want to utilize them, utilize them with MJF.
Speaker 3: You don't have to bring up talk. That's not the point.
Speaker 3: Nick boch Wickham could talk.
Speaker 1: And he had Bobby Shane McMahon and MJF. Yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: that doesn't at.
Speaker 3: All Long Island. He can incorporate the hardcore, mean street
Speaker 3: posse of Connecticut into the mix, and let me tell
Speaker 3: you something, you don't think it would go through Tony
Speaker 3: Kahan's mind to bring back the Mean Street possible. They've
Speaker 3: brought back everything else, They've done a tribute to everything else.
Speaker 3: Hold on, why not that?
Speaker 1: Because if you're gonna bring in a McMahon, you've got
Speaker 1: to do con versus McMahon. Okay, And actually you know
Speaker 1: you know how they do it. I actually had another idea.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when Vince brought in Eric Bischoff and
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, And the first thing
Speaker 1: they did was hug one of the dumbest things in
Speaker 1: wrestling history. Well, you have Tony Khan come out, introduce
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon, and they also hug, and then Shane kicks
Speaker 1: him in the balls and reveals that he's bought the
Speaker 1: Bucks share. And I also, if you all in the
Speaker 1: chat here, they're like Shane backstage to help business in
Speaker 1: some way? Yes, on screen character? No, do you guys
Speaker 1: know I mean this in the nice way possible? Do
Speaker 1: you know nothing about anything?
Speaker 3: Your way?
Speaker 1: Better off? Shane is an on screen authority figure than
Speaker 1: doing anything backstage. What do you what do you think
Speaker 1: this guy is good for backstage? Historically creative? He has
Speaker 1: absolutely zero creative you know, he has no experience whatsoever.
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of enthusiasm. He always had a
Speaker 3: lot of ideas, but a lot of his ideas were
Speaker 3: kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: He never heard about good Shane McMahon ideas.
Speaker 3: But then again, look if he was so influen by
Speaker 3: ECW and he liked things like pride and other things
Speaker 3: like that, boy, that would fit right in with the
Speaker 3: Tony Kahan mind frame, would it not?
Speaker 1: How many of how many of Shane's non WWE businesses
Speaker 1: are still around? You want him to run the business.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, not you.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to these people.
Speaker 3: Well, no, but you would want to let him.
Speaker 1: And no, he didn't book Royal Rumble twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: He tried. He tried to book that Royal Rumble and
Speaker 1: his father sent him home.
Speaker 3: Did you get into a fight with Brock?
Speaker 1: They ain't get a fight with him, but they were like,
Speaker 1: we are doing this. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: But you want him to book Ring of Honor? In
Speaker 3: your scenario, you.
Speaker 1: Gonna watch it. Listen, I'd let you book a Ring
Speaker 1: of Honor. Okay, just get Ring of Honor off Tony's plate.
Speaker 1: Let him do dynamite collision or rampage. Have anybody? Anybody
Speaker 1: can do a Ring of Honor? I don't care. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if Jane wants a book a Ring of Honor, fine,
Speaker 1: it might be so nutty. I might watch it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but.
Speaker 3: Hey maybe maybe maybe David Zaslof is feeling really old school?
Speaker 1: Yes, Luca Gato, anybody, okay, anybody, Kevin Nash Lennon book
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, Vince Russo Lennon booker Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: Actually that'd be a good one. Anybody like, anybody booker
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor? Just take it away from Tony so
Speaker 1: we can do the main shows. Hey, you heard me,
Speaker 1: Brian Vince Russo booking modern day Ring of Honor?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: I mean, what is AW? It's like the I'm not
Speaker 1: on anything.
Speaker 3: Oh you're on one today, pel Guice.
Speaker 1: You don't get it. Who watches a Ring of Honor? Okay?
Speaker 1: I watched the pay per views and everything, all right,
Speaker 1: But who watches three hour hours of weekly TV or
Speaker 1: whatever every week? Not a lot of people? Okay, and listen,
Speaker 1: do we not all agree that AW was much better
Speaker 1: booked before he bought and started booking Ring of Honor? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So like some of you have already said, why don't
Speaker 1: they just fold a ring of honor and just like
Speaker 1: kill the thing and just use the tape library. Well, dude,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do that, just let Russo book it.
Speaker 1: Who cares? Let somebody else book it any Like I said,
Speaker 1: anybody Paysley wants to book it, that's fine.
Speaker 3: You know, I think I'd rather have that than Vince Russo.
Speaker 1: Or I don't know, man, give me something I can
Speaker 1: tear apart every week. I mean, what is what is AW?
Speaker 1: It's like the modern day version of World Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 1: The idea is wcwold. It was good like ninety five,
Speaker 1: ninety six, ninety seven. So hey, just let you know
Speaker 1: Russo he can he can book the AW version of
Speaker 1: thunder Good Lord on a Club.
Speaker 3: Oh, can we bring back above average Mike Sanders. He's
Speaker 3: still around.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's still around. It should be well above
Speaker 1: average now in some ways far below average and others.
Speaker 1: One would think, as you age, are we done talking
Speaker 1: about this yet? When we come back from the break,
Speaker 1: more news and then I'm gonna talk about NXT, which
Speaker 1: was an actual well booked show, especially that main event
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Speaker 3: Anyone ever, I tell you to not read the comment.
Speaker 1: It's not the actually with someone on my Twitter. This time,
Speaker 1: I'll have what he's having. He said, Guys, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those things gonna live on an
Speaker 1: infamy because no one just understands what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm trying to make this so simple
Speaker 1: for everybody. Okay, Tony is doing too much. Do you
Speaker 1: guys understand He's trying to book dynamite rampage collision hours
Speaker 1: and hours of Ring of Honor every week and these
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor pay per views. He's doing too much.
Speaker 1: We all know this. Everybody listening to this knows this.
Speaker 1: Even if you're a fan of Ring of Honor, you
Speaker 1: know deep down the guy's doing too much and that
Speaker 1: the booking is has been different since he took over
Speaker 1: a Ring of Honor. He's just got too much to do.
Speaker 1: Can we like who doesn't agree with this? Because I
Speaker 1: want to. I want to see the people that don't
Speaker 1: agree with this that he's got too much on his plate.
Speaker 3: Ran how long have we been on? Wait? God? God?
Speaker 1: So what I'm advocating for is for somebody to take
Speaker 1: over Ring of Honor booking from Tony. I didn't say
Speaker 1: the best man for the job would be Vince Russo.
Speaker 1: What I said was I don't care you want Vince
Speaker 1: Russo to do it? Fine, what's the problem with Vince
Speaker 1: Russo's booking. Well, he's terrible, doesn't know what he's doing. Okay,
Speaker 1: but is there a television deal at stake with Vince
Speaker 1: Russo booking Ring of Honor? Are we worried about ratings
Speaker 1: for Ring of Honor which doesn't have ratings? Are we
Speaker 1: worried about tanking Ring of Honor house shows which don't exist?
Speaker 1: Are we worried about taking Ring of Honor tv TA
Speaker 1: numbers which don't exist because they do it in association
Speaker 1: with the other aw television shows. What difference does it make?
Speaker 1: That's my point. Forget the Vince Russo name. What difference
Speaker 1: does it make who is booking Ring of Honor? As
Speaker 1: long as you take that off Tony's plate. The fact
Speaker 1: is it doesn't matter. You're not affecting business negatively in
Speaker 1: any way by having Santa Claus book it.
Speaker 3: Yes, you are, in theory, you are because you still
Speaker 3: have merchandise to sell. You still have an Honor Club,
Speaker 3: Yah people are signed up for. You still have those
Speaker 3: shows like Death Before dishonor that you can pimp out
Speaker 3: his eye pay per views for those people who are
Speaker 3: not Honor Club subscribers. So there's two separate things here. Yes,
Speaker 3: of course it should be off his plate. How he
Speaker 3: can do all of this. You got football season coming up.
Speaker 3: Anything that he has to do with the Jaguars is,
Speaker 3: you know, added to the mix. You got whatever he
Speaker 3: does for Craven Cottage or or full of wherever the
Speaker 3: hell the football team does. He's spread too thin, obviously,
Speaker 3: and he wants to maintain control on some things as
Speaker 3: other things are so hectic and manic. And it's been
Speaker 3: that way. I'm not saying since day one, for a
Speaker 3: lot longer than people maybe want to believe that it
Speaker 3: has been.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he could use some extra time on his hands
Speaker 3: by leaving ringing of honor in the hands of somebody
Speaker 3: else lockstock, and barrel, with the exception of a couple
Speaker 3: of people he may want to keep an eye on
Speaker 3: for the aw roster or who may fit into his plans. Okay,
Speaker 3: I keep fine, But the thing is then turn it
Speaker 3: over to somebody that matters, because you tind people there
Speaker 3: whose jobs actually you know and livelihoods depend on it,
Speaker 3: and whose you know, creativity and whose development depend on
Speaker 3: who is there. So yeah, I would say leave in
Speaker 3: the hands of a Dustin Rhodes as opposed to Jacob.
Speaker 1: I never said the best best option or Bishop or Nash.
Speaker 1: Just throw it a name.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Jacobs. Is there people I'm sure know him. He's
Speaker 3: got a ton of ideas. Some people love them.
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing all these people wouldn't be better. I'm
Speaker 1: not arguing that Paisley wouldn't be better than Vince Rusa.
Speaker 3: But argument it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you know I said it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because everything that you mentioned, like merchandise and etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: One could argue that if you took all of that
Speaker 1: work off Tony's plate, and he had the ability to
Speaker 1: take all of that attention and focus it on the
Speaker 1: main aw product, that conceivably it would improve to the
Speaker 1: point where he would sell more merch and sell more
Speaker 1: tickets and sell more pay per views, because it's the
Speaker 1: one thing that he is focusing on instead of you. Ever,
Speaker 1: you know, I read a good book once, what's that
Speaker 1: which one? I can't remember what it was called, but
Speaker 1: the point of it was, sometimes you have to focus
Speaker 1: on the one thing, the one thing, instead of like
Speaker 1: all of your attention being diverted in a million different places.
Speaker 1: What is the one thing? I do this with my
Speaker 1: kids all the time because their kids and like their
Speaker 1: brains going fifty thousand directions. It's like, what is the
Speaker 1: one thing that is important right now? Okay? It's not
Speaker 1: that stuffy. It's getting your shoes on and getting in
Speaker 1: the car. Okay, So that's the one thing we're doing
Speaker 1: right now, is just we're getting in the car. After
Speaker 1: that we can worry about something else. But what's the
Speaker 1: one thing that is important right now? What is the
Speaker 1: one thing that is the most important thing? For Tony Kahan,
Speaker 1: it's Dynamite, Rampage and Collision, which pay all the bills,
Speaker 1: all the bills with the exception of pay per views,
Speaker 1: you know, every couple months. It's so sweet television shows.
Speaker 1: Ring Vonnor is not the one thing that's the most important.
Speaker 1: It is taking away from your one thing that is
Speaker 1: the most important. And if you took that off of
Speaker 1: his plate, it's possible that if you could trade on
Speaker 1: the one thing, things might improve perhaps a lot. So
Speaker 1: I would make that sacrifice, That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm not Tony Kahan, nor am
Speaker 1: I Sean Michaels, who did a fine job yesterday with
Speaker 1: that great American Bash show.
Speaker 3: You're Paul Harvey, and that was the rest of the story.
Speaker 1: That's the rest of the story. I wish I had
Speaker 1: my other mic here anyway. The main event of this show,
Speaker 1: should I get it? What did you think of NXT?
Speaker 3: I thought it was actually a really good show, I
Speaker 3: actually believe for all the nonsense, and there was a
Speaker 3: ton of nonsense on there, but when he got down
Speaker 3: to the actual wrestling portions of the proceedings, everything was
Speaker 3: actually pretty good. The Brian's gonna talk about the six
Speaker 3: woman match with soul Roka and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 3: and he's probably going to say, yes, there were too
Speaker 3: many spots that were planned out ahead of time, but
Speaker 3: it actually rolled on was really smooth. But the main
Speaker 3: event was the best part of the show, and that
Speaker 3: was fa Hale falling in her attempt to wrest the
Speaker 3: NXT Women's Championship from Roxanne Perez. That was the match
Speaker 3: you need to go out of your way and see.
Speaker 1: And now the rest of the story. I did all
Speaker 1: of that for that. Yes, I'm gonna keep that nearby
Speaker 1: in case I need it exactly. The now May event
Speaker 1: of this show was Roxanne Perez Thehale for the NXT
Speaker 1: women's title. Why, well, I know why because they need
Speaker 1: like talent women to work with the women who are
Speaker 1: not talented yet. Yes, but these two should be on
Speaker 1: the main roster. I mean, good, lord, well Fallon should
Speaker 1: be as well, but I mean Fallon's good. But like,
Speaker 1: these two are just flat out great. They're better than
Speaker 1: most of the women on the main roster. Fa hale. Dude,
Speaker 1: she's twenty, she's actually I think she's about to turn twenty.
Speaker 1: She might be twenty now, she like nineteen or twenty
Speaker 1: or whatever, but she is so great. Rock Sand is
Speaker 1: so great natural and they had a great match. The
Speaker 1: crowd is going nuts for this match. They love THEA Hail.
Speaker 1: They're totally invested in THEA they hate rock Sand and
Speaker 1: the heat for this match was so good and they
Speaker 1: had such a great match and rock Sande finally hit
Speaker 1: her with the pop rocks and pinder. This main event
Speaker 1: was awesome. It was flat out awesome. So what a
Speaker 1: great finish the Great American Bash. And honestly, I gotta say,
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of the women, the other best thing
Speaker 1: on the show besides the main event was I'm not
Speaker 1: taking credit for it. But thank god, Solruka put her
Speaker 1: beach hair back. She's back to having her old beach
Speaker 1: hair again, like when she straightened her hair. I was
Speaker 1: just that's like your trade right now. You look like
Speaker 1: every other athletic blonde woman on this roster before you
Speaker 1: were a surfer with your beach surfer hair, and you
Speaker 1: stood out well. She brought it back this week, thank god.
Speaker 1: And they had fallon jac and Jasmine versus Lola, Carmen
Speaker 1: and Soul. And my only problem with this match is
Speaker 1: that and this is this is me being old and
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be like this anymore. But you know,
Speaker 1: in the old days, you you had a plan, but
Speaker 1: it was not choreographs start to finish unless you were
Speaker 1: doing that kind of match and you would listen to
Speaker 1: the crowd. You would you would get the crowd going,
Speaker 1: you would hit a peek and go home. And they
Speaker 1: had a planned long match and it got to the
Speaker 1: point where the place was going nuts and it was
Speaker 1: really good. I mean, it was a surprisingly good match
Speaker 1: because you know, Soul is brand new, Jazzmin's brand new,
Speaker 1: Carmen's brand new, Lola's fairly knew. I mean there were
Speaker 1: a lot of green women in this match, but it
Speaker 1: was going along really well. And then like the place
Speaker 1: is going nuts for all these near falls, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: it's like they're gonna be the best women's match in
Speaker 1: a long time. This was before the main event. And
Speaker 1: then they kept going and they kept going and they
Speaker 1: kept going, and the crowd went so like, by the
Speaker 1: last minute, the crowd just like okay, you know, they
Speaker 1: they lost the crowd. And then they went to the
Speaker 1: finish and and as much as I love Fallon, I
Speaker 1: gotta say one thing and hopefully this does. Her finish
Speaker 1: sucks okay, because she does a it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a but the point of it is she hits the
Speaker 1: move and it ends where it looks like the other
Speaker 1: person hit her with a destino. The other person basically
Speaker 1: gives her a face first, like a dastino bump, but
Speaker 1: then she turns over and pins them. It's like what it's.
Speaker 3: Like Bobby Lashley's flat liner. Just there's something aesthetically about
Speaker 3: it that just doesn't work well.
Speaker 1: She throws them up and their job is to go
Speaker 1: behind her, and then she like hits a cutter or something.
Speaker 1: But when she does it, it looks like she throws
Speaker 1: them up and they counter into destino, but then she
Speaker 1: covers them. So anyway, I don't like to finish because
Speaker 1: it's just bizarre.
Speaker 3: Still better than the cake stand.
Speaker 1: No, it's not take stands cool, stupid, don't.
Speaker 3: Be old standing straight up like it's just tell me
Speaker 3: how does it make sense? We'll save it for another show,
Speaker 3: keep going. Even Lash Legend and Jakara Jackson had a
Speaker 3: pretty good match with the freaky WWE women's take.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to talk about that. I want
Speaker 1: talk about a different women's match again, all women's stuff
Speaker 1: on this show. I want to talk about you know
Speaker 1: who I was very very impressed by.
Speaker 3: I know who the top heel woman on the roster
Speaker 3: when Roxanne goes up Jada Barker.
Speaker 1: No really, Kendall Gray.
Speaker 3: Actually yeah she was.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many matches she's had. I think
Speaker 1: she had her first match in like May, so we're
Speaker 1: talking like a little over two months and man, she
Speaker 1: so for those who don't know about Kendall Gray, like
Speaker 1: she's she she was a great wrestler, an amateur wrestler, okay,
Speaker 1: and all everybody talks about is her wrestling, all right,
Speaker 1: but she actually from like the age of ten, just
Speaker 1: she was such an athlete. She did everything. She did.
Speaker 1: Gymnastics she did, like basketball, she did, she trained with
Speaker 1: Robert Drysdale in jiu jitsu. Then she got into amateur wrestling,
Speaker 1: and like she is an athlete, Like when you see
Speaker 1: her move, it's like, wow, she can do anything. But
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, when they bring in the
Speaker 1: gymnasts who are also obviously athletes, what they make them
Speaker 1: do is, oh, do this flip, do this twist, do
Speaker 1: this flip? You just flip out of the corner as
Speaker 1: if she's actually yes, and she rests and she does
Speaker 1: her amateur stuff and she she's fast, and man, I
Speaker 1: watched her and I was like, she's gonna be something
Speaker 1: like I don't know if she can talk, because they
Speaker 1: never let her talk or anything like that. All she
Speaker 1: does is beat up poor Miles Bourne.
Speaker 3: Guess what if she can't talk, stick her with rensin
Speaker 3: Claire because her being.
Speaker 1: On rensen Claire is a is a volcano of charisma. Yes,
Speaker 1: but anyway, honestly, for like the the first two months,
Speaker 1: it's like she's up there with Klonnie Jordan as far
Speaker 1: as like I saw them two months and I was like,
Speaker 1: holy smokes, Holy smokes, Kendall Gray, So keep an eye
Speaker 1: on her back in a moment, it was ever Live.
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