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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: and this week on the show we're joined by d

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Speaker 1: I Y bow hunting guru Eddie Claypool, plus a bonus goals,

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Speaker 1: Dan Johnson. All right, welcome to the Wired Dune podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by First Like. Today, we've got a

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Speaker 1: great episode for it. This is a two parter of sorts.

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Speaker 1: We are continuing our what would you do? Series? We

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Speaker 1: started that last week with Grant Woods. Talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about management and private land hunting and some cool stuff there.

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Speaker 1: Today we're keeping at it and we've got Eddie Claypool

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Speaker 1: who is a d I Y and public land focused

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Speaker 1: Eddie has been a longtime contributor to Peterson's Bow Hunting

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Speaker 1: and a staple in the hunting kind of media world.

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Speaker 1: He's a terrific white tailed deer hunter. He gets done

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Speaker 1: in tough situations, he speaks his mind freely, He's got

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Speaker 1: a different perspective than a lot of people on this

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So if you're hoping to figure out

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Speaker 1: a way to kill deer on you know, small properties

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Speaker 1: or private land by permission or public land, I think

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Speaker 1: Eddie is gonna have some ideas that can help you.

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Speaker 1: He also has kind of been going through a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a change in mindset and changing goals with

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Speaker 1: tell him, Okay, imagine this situation in this place on

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Speaker 1: Eddie is is changing what he folk this is on

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Speaker 1: about that kind of thing. He's also changing what he

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Speaker 1: be for hunting. So we get into that side of thing.

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Speaker 1: We talked through a bunch of interesting, challenging deer hunting

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Speaker 1: we also kick this episode off with a totally different

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Speaker 1: different because the the what would You Do episode with Eddie,

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Speaker 1: like I mentioned, we get into his changing mindset, we

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Speaker 1: get into his changing goals. Well, that's something we also

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Speaker 1: talk about in Part one of this podcast. Part one

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Speaker 1: of this podcast, the first hour, actually is with my

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Speaker 1: good buddy Dan Johnson. He was my co host here

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Speaker 1: on the Wireton podcast for many years when we first

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Speaker 1: Great Deer Hunter from All Iowa. And what we've done

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Speaker 1: every year, I think the beginning is we've done a

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Speaker 1: So we decided to tack that onto the front of

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Speaker 1: a big way. I've been going through this shift this year.

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Speaker 1: as well as kind of preview some very exciting hunts

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Speaker 1: along with our two seasons. So jam packed episode. It's

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Speaker 1: full thing. Part one. That first just under an hour.

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Speaker 1: in which we do though what would Eddie Claypool do? Section?

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Speaker 1: So that is the game plan. I appreciate you tuning in.

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Speaker 1: the Mediator Store for this late summer early season time period.

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Speaker 1: part one with me and Dan Johnson talking through goals,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Claypool. All right now with me on the show.

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Speaker 1: Back from a long I don't know what the right

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Speaker 1: and the Emperor of the Sportsman's Empire, Dan, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show. Hey, Hey, thanks for having me, Mark,

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Speaker 1: It's good to hear your voice. Man. I know, especially

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So I figured out would

427
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: be the perfect time since the since the ramp up

428
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: is in full speed now, So are your game? Your

429
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 1: game for that? I'm down. Let's get it started, all right?

430
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: What do you uh? Let's first like cover plans, like

431
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: just like where are you hunting? And I'll do the

432
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: same too, because I haven't talked about this either, So

433
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: what's your yeah? Man? So about a month ago, my

434
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: slate got flipped up on what I thought was gonna

435
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: happen in here in Iowa. Al Right, So I didn't

436
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: really I didn't kind of know that if you asked

437
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: me a month ago, how what the fall was gonna

438
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: look like. It would have been uncertain. I don't I

439
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: don't know what would have happened. Right. I have my

440
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: main farm where I killed my buck last year in Iowa,

441
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: still there. But I lost, Uh. I lost the farm

442
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: that I hunt that's really close to me, right. The

443
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: landowner passed away and the kids are gonna sell it. Yeah,

444
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: so uh so I'm down. I'm down that property. And

445
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: then the previous year I lost, uh I lost uh

446
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: what was it like a hundred and sixty acres? So,

447
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: but I I didn't do anything off season to kind

448
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: of try to find anything new per se for, you know,

449
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: to find new property. I've just been leaning towards the

450
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: public side of things, all right, So I was a

451
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: little uncertain. Well, here's the very short story of it.

452
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: I got connected with a guy who owns like I

453
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: want to say, just under two I think it's somewhere

454
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: around two hundred acres in a different county here in

455
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Iowa that nobody hunts. And he's like, well, my my, uh,

456
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: my cousin hunted it. Uh he passed away two years

457
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: ago and no one, no one hunts it anymore. And

458
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: if you would like to you know, you're more than

459
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: you're more than welcome to comment hunt it, and so

460
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: that intrigues me. Yeah. So, uh, it's a lot of

461
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: egg ground, but it's in a really good neighborhood. And

462
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: so I kind of just fell into this property. I

463
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: had some help from another another guy and who lives

464
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. He's like, man, I can't hunt Iowa every year.

465
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: You know, why don't you take a look at the

466
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: you know, take a look at this property. Let me

467
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: know what you think. And when I draw an Eyowa tag,

468
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: maybe you can show me the ropes. And I'm like, yeah, dude, absolutely,

469
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: let's do it. So I I picked that piece of

470
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: property up and I think Sunday, this upcoming Sunday, I'm

471
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: gonna be heading down there to throw up some trail cameras,

472
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: do a quick summer push for scouting, and and then

473
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: hopefully come back in a month or so check the

474
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: trail cameras and just see what's living on this property.

475
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: The guy says, Now, I don't know the definition of

476
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: good deer is different for all people. So I don't

477
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: know what good what he means by good dear. You know,

478
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: my definition might be different from his. Cousin's definition. Um,

479
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: he said he's found some good antlers shed hunting it before,

480
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: So I don't know, we'll see, we'll see what happens, Um,

481
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm I'm jack to go start the process over.

482
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years since I've gotten a

483
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: new property, and it's so yeah, exact, I love that,

484
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, starting a fresh chess game on a new

485
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: board and you know, playing playing the game. And we'll

486
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: see what happens on there. But I'm going to South

487
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: Dakota for sure, more than likely going to be going

488
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: to Nebraska. And let's see Nebraska in September. I think

489
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: October I'm gonna go to South Dakota and depending on

490
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: how what October looks like, Dude, I'm gonna try to

491
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: get down to Oklahoma and possibly Missouri this year. Yeah,

492
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: so you add in that's what That's what I'm saying, Mark.

493
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: The brownie points are at an all time high, and

494
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna be able to get away with it.

495
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm burning the bridge down to and I'm

496
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna and then after the season's over, I'll rebuild it all.

497
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: Put the brownie points back in the pot and and

498
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: start all over again. It's an annual cycle. What I know,

499
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: you're Nebraska and South Are you doing the same kind

500
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: of stuff You've done in Nebraska and South Dakota, same areas,

501
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: same general type of hunt. Yeah, somewhat. There's been some

502
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: changes is recently with units and tag allocations in Nebraska,

503
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: so that part has to be will be changed. But

504
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: South Dakota probably going to one of the same areas

505
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: that I've gone to, not last year, but the year before. Um,

506
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a mule deer focused trip. Oklahoma will

507
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: probably be it will be a white tail however, they

508
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: got some They got some mule deer in western Oklahoma too.

509
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: Don't know what I'm gonna do there. And then Missouri

510
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: will be a probably like one of those four day

511
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: hunts where I popped down there during the week, hit

512
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: him up and uh, you know, hit a piece of

513
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 1: public up. See what I can do closer to late

514
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: October and uh. And then if I do good in

515
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Iowa and I connect right off the bat like I

516
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: did last year, then I'll drop down and go somewhere else.

517
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: Uh down, back down to Oklahoma or back down to

518
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: Missouri or something like that. So the Oklahoma Missouri stuff

519
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: is that is that both public land and you're just

520
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: like just winging it against trying to find something or

521
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: have you like scouted and found spots you like already

522
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: or what's what's the progress? Yeah, yeah, so I've got

523
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: most of it's just been digital scouting, right looking for

524
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: water access. I'm like one chin hair away from buying

525
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: a beater beater boat that I can use to pull

526
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: down there and some of some of these properties and

527
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: access public ground through waterways, right, So I don't know,

528
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: we'll see. It's uh, some of that stuff still up

529
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: in the air, guaranteed for sure, because I already have

530
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: the tag is South Dakota, but how the rest of

531
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: those three states lay out because they're close, you know,

532
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: And and way on the back burner is also Minnesota

533
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: and Wisconsin because yeah, just just and that's way on

534
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: the back burner because of how close everything is to Iowa.

535
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: And so if you know, some of those aren't gonna happen.

536
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: But if I if I have one of those dream

537
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: years that everybody talks about, and you just you show

538
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: up someplace, shoot a deer, show up someplace, shoot a deer,

539
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: show up someplace, shoot a deer, and uh, I have

540
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: all my tags filled and I still have time. Well,

541
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna use that time this year, and uh,

542
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go do some exploring and

543
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: have a little adventure this year. What what happened to you?

544
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: Because I remember a few years ago, Dan, I was

545
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: always bitching at you, like, go hunt some other places,

546
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: hunt some other places, and you said, why would I

547
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: ever leave Iowa When everywhere else I go I know

548
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: won't be as good as this? So why would I

549
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: leave here? What happened, Dan? How other than the fact

550
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: that you have a lot more flexibility with your job,

551
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: what changed in your brain? And now all of a

552
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: sudden you're wanting to go chase public land, dear, on

553
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: all these other states where I'm telling you one thing, Dan,

554
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: I know from experience, it will not be as good

555
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: as your stuff in Iowa. No, no, no, And dude,

556
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: there's been a I think we've even talked about this

557
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: in one of the episodes, and I can't remember if

558
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: it was me on yours or yours on mine. But

559
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, you have this awakening where you really kind

560
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: of what is important type of deal and and yes,

561
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm all it's awesome for me to be able to

562
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: go chase big bucks in Iowa. And my standard in

563
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: Iowa is higher than anywhere else. I really I realized

564
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: that now, and I realized that I can go out

565
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: and and killing my buck in South Dakota last year

566
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: was a perfect example. He's not a giant, he wasn't

567
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: the even the biggest dear that I saw or attempted

568
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: to hunt, but I got him and it was an

569
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: amazing experience and I had so much fun doing it.

570
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, if I can fit this in

571
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: other places, I'm gonna go do it. And so it's

572
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: not about like it's in Iowa. Yes, it's about trying

573
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: to locate the biggest, baddest buck, right, but there's so

574
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: much other adventure out there. Uh, landscape changes, just the

575
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: experience behind all of it. That's what I want now.

576
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: And I want to be able to go, you know,

577
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: talk to my kids or my grandkids or some buddies

578
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: at a trade show or or you know, at a bar,

579
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: me like, oh, dude, I'm hunting Nebraska. Oh yeah, I've

580
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: hunted there. Yeah, I've hunted there too. Oh yeah, I've

581
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: hunted there. That's a great place. I like that state,

582
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff, And so it's just

583
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: more about realizing that, dude, nobody lives forever and if

584
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: you want to go do some of this right now

585
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: with the time to go do it. Yeah. Yeah, man,

586
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: you are speaking my language right there with you. It's

587
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: a it's awesome stuff. Man. I'm glad to hear you're

588
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna have a fun season. Yeah, it's gonna be It's

589
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a blast. And um, I don't know, man,

590
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: we'll we'll see what happens. What about you, dude, are

591
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: are you? Uh? I know that what last year was

592
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: a full schedule for you? Yeah, So what's what's on

593
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: the docket this year? Yes, the last year was nuts,

594
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: And as you and I talked about this spring on

595
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: your show, it like forced me into like rethinking a

596
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and pivoting and kind of refocusing on

597
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: what matters to me, like you said, and what makes

598
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: me happy and satisfy with all this kind of stuff.

599
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: So so this year, I think it's going to be

600
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: a pretty different year in a lot of regards, and

601
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very fired up and excited about it. Again.

602
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: But it took me a while to get here. Like

603
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: I had a long period this winter and spring where

604
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to think about any of the

605
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: stuff or do any of the stuff. I had a

606
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: serious burnout issue this year. But I'm back and uh

607
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: and stoked about so we can talk about some of

608
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. But as far as like this literal plans

609
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: where I'm going, I'm gonna do the Idaho public land

610
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: thing again for white Tails. Basically, I've got you Furthers

611
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: coming up, so I'm hoping I was hoping to weasel

612
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: my way in there and be like, oh, first, can't

613
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: come Well, I know someone who might go, well, you

614
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: give me a show if you want to come along

615
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: one of those times. There's there's lots of stuff out there. Um,

616
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's a tough it's a

617
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: it's a weird situation. So it's a tough spot. But

618
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: also like there's good opportunity and it's kicked my tail

619
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and uh, me and further

620
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: just want to like get it done at least once

621
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: before we explore anywhere else. So exactly, so we're gonna

622
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: do the Idaho thing. And then in October basically what

623
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: I did, Like last year, I had like nine different states,

624
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I think, and there was like periods where I was

625
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: gone like three weeks out of four and it was

626
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: just too much, way too much travel, way too much,

627
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: just like anxiety around every one of these trips and

628
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 1: what we were trying to get done, you YadA, YadA, YadA.

629
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: So this year I've just tried to scale back a

630
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and and do things that are just

631
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: like for fun. I'm just choosing places and doing hunts

632
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: now that are like something I'm gonna be excited about

633
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: to go to this place or to be with this

634
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: person or something like that, versus like, oh, I gotta

635
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: go to the spot because I'm gonna kill a hundred

636
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: six buck or anything like that. It's you know, when

637
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: we get to our goals, I'll talk about that more.

638
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: But basically, like the Idaho hunt is fun because me

639
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: and Further go there and there's this place and we

640
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: can fish and we can hunt and it's cool. So

641
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: then in October, me and our buddy Tony Peterson are

642
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: going to do a hunt together in North Dakota, and

643
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: that one's gonna be fun because it's an area that

644
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: we both just think super pretty, super cool and hopefully

645
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: we'll kill a deer there and that would be like

646
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: where to go out camp there, hunt public land and uh,

647
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, not high standards, shoot whatever we can shoot,

648
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: but that'll be cool. So that's my October trip. Um

649
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: in November, I'm doing I am filming a hunt in November,

650
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: and that is for our one Week in November show

651
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: that we did last year. We're doing a season two

652
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: of that, and I'm filming that hunt in Nebraska first

653
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: week in November, and that one's gonna be another one

654
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: that I chose just because like it's a super fun area.

655
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to kill one with a handheld decoy

656
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: again because I tried that last year for the first

657
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: time and I didn't get it done, but I had

658
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: a riot, Like it was a lot of fun and

659
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: I want to give a shot again. So we're gonna

660
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: go do that. So it would be a very different

661
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: kind of rut hunt, right, I will just be run

662
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: around chasing stuff and uh, just enjoying myself. So that's

663
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: my November trip. And then in December, I'm gonna go

664
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: and hunt with do you know the guys from the Element,

665
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: Tyler Jones and Casey Smith. You do, Yeah, I've I

666
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: don't think i've met him in person, but I've talked

667
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. Cool dudes, And um, they're doing some

668
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: stuff with us, and so I'm gonna go hunt with

669
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: them in Texas on some public land down there, which

670
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: sounds like it'll be gnarly, just like spiny thorny cactus

671
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: e crap. And uh, we're gonna try to kill a

672
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: white tail down there in public. So that is the

673
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: that's the for sure plan. So like one trip a

674
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: month versus like three trips a month, so I think

675
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: it'll be much more manageable from the travel front. And

676
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: then of course I'll be hunting at home in Michigan

677
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: on my Michigan places, and then I'll be throughout all that.

678
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: And then there's a there's a chance. I'm still kind

679
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: of working on it, but I might have access to

680
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: some stuff in Ohio and if that ends up coming through,

681
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: that will be kind of like my I'll go for

682
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: a day this week, I'll go for two days next week.

683
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: They'll just kind of here there since that's relatively close

684
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: to home. Um, So that's that's what my twenty two

685
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: season looks like it's uh what, Idaho, Dakota, Nebraska, and Texas.

686
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: It's all public land, I guess as far as all

687
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: the traveling hunts, but Michigan and Ohio would be private. Um.

688
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: So good mix of stuff, good mix of the country. Um.

689
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: And you know, last year, as you know, I was

690
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: filming those two shows, and one of those shows was

691
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: a lot of that travel, and it was just like

692
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: it was just it's it's gonna be nice this year

693
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: to not be filming as much. Not that I don't

694
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: like to film, but filming just adds something that just

695
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: makes it more difficult and more stressful. It's not quite

696
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: the same kind of experience. And so this year scaling

697
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: back a little bit on it, and I think that

698
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: will be nice, just a little reset button for me

699
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: and doing some some fun different hunts, but fun or

700
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: fun in the way that I can just like go

701
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: out there, experience them, have stories to tell from them,

702
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: but not necessarily the same in that the camera brings.

703
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's what I've got on schedule. I'm

704
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: pretty excit about him. Let me let me ask you this,

705
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: after a burnout season, like you mentioned, how how and

706
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: when does that recovery go from burnout to the fire

707
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: started again? What's that look like? So for me, it

708
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: really was like all like you know, my season ended

709
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: like January twelve or something like that, and from January

710
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: until like the summer, I really was not too into,

711
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, getting serious about deer stuff. It really was

712
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: like four or five six months. Not that I wasn't

713
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: doing things. I was still writing about deer stuff. I

714
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: was still doing a few things here and there, um,

715
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like I was throwing on a deer

716
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: hunting show on YouTube or something. I was not consuming

717
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: dear content for fun. I wasn't like texting buddies about

718
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: deer for fun. Um. I went the opposite, and I

719
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: like just removed myself from it in a big way

720
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: and went hard on like the other things I like.

721
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: So I have I probably had my fishiest year ever,

722
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: Like I fished more probably than ever before. Really you know,

723
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: continue diving down that wormhole and have had a blast

724
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: doing that. Um, really really really enjoy that. And that's

725
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: like zero pressure, zero expectations, just like just fun, nothing else.

726
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: And and I've needed that, like I've needed that thing.

727
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: I can like uh, dive into without any of the

728
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: other like strings attached and and so that's been a blast.

729
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: But then like you know, June May and June probably

730
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: starting to get the itch, and then July like all right,

731
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: like I was fired up, and now that August is here,

732
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: like now I'm I'm full blown obsessed mode where like

733
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: every night I'm watching some kind of video at night,

734
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: or I'm reading some kind of article, or I'm going

735
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: back and listening to old podcasts. I'm staring at my

736
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: maps and all that kind of stuff. But it took me,

737
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, it took me a good chunk of time

738
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: to get back there. Um, and I'm glad I'm back there.

739
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: And I've had like a lot, uh, Like we had

740
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: a really good conversation to spring, you and I talking

741
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: about this stuff, and I've had a couple of those,

742
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: and I've had to kind of like just like last

743
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: year was really like a breaking point for me in

744
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of different ways, and just like what

745
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: I want to do with this in this world? You know,

746
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: what's what what are my goals for myself with with

747
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: this thing I've been doing, And who do I want

748
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: to be and who do I not want to be.

749
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: I haven't been chasing like something that's maybe not really

750
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: what I want, and I've kind of landed in a

751
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: place that has me feeling better than I have in

752
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: a long time, just basically like a big middle finger

753
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: two to the expectations of what other people might want

754
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: of me or what other people are doing. I think

755
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: that the saying is like comparison is the death of

756
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: joy or something like that. And I think I've realized

757
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: that for too long, I've allowed myself to be too

758
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: worried about how I compared to other people, or how

759
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: my performance compares to other people, or how my success

760
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: or my numbers or whatever. I think. I'm very as

761
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: people know, I'm very goal oriented, very achievement oriented, and

762
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: I sometimes have let that like get into my head

763
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: too much. And I finally kind of sound like I

764
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: don't need to be I don't need to be Mark

765
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: Dreary or Andy may or Levi Morgan. I'm not gonna

766
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: be like I. I can be a very happy deer hunter,

767
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: and I think I can still be successful in this

768
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: line of business just being what I am, which is

769
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: someone who loves this stuff, someone who's a pretty good storyteller,

770
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: but someone who's you know, a decent but average hunter.

771
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: Like I screw up a lot. I don't always I'm

772
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: not always going to be killing big deer, and I

773
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: don't always want to do that. I don't want my

774
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: life to be one percent nothing, but you know, managing

775
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: and growing deer and shooting two hundreds every year. Maybe

776
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: I'm just going to be a person who loves the

777
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: fish and hiking camp too, and really loves the deer

778
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: hunt and gets out there and kills a good one

779
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: ever a few years, but also screws up every few years,

780
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: and good or bad, he's gonna tell a fun story

781
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: about it that you can relate to, Like, I think

782
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that has led to me being

783
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: successful in any kind of way. And rather than fighting

784
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: to be something different than that, I think I'm just

785
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: coming in terms of being who I am and what

786
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: I am and embracing that and enjoying that versus like

787
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: punishing myself because I'm not killing four big bucks a

788
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: year because I don't have as successful of a video

789
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: series of somebody else, Like forget all that stuff. I'm

790
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: just sick of worrying about that kind of thing, and

791
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: uh and all that I think kind of I had

792
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: to have a year like last year where I kind

793
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: of realized, like, you were just killing yourself for a

794
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: stupid thing, get back to the fun of it. And

795
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: so that's that's where I am this year, I think.

796
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: And um, I think also last year, like I killed,

797
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: I had a tough year in so many different ways.

798
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: But another thing I did, which was kind of freeing,

799
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: as I killed a couple of young bucks and you know,

800
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: it was actually fun and I don't really feel bad

801
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: about it. And I think that also changed my perspective

802
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: on what I can do and what I should do

803
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: and what I will do as well. So I'm not

804
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna feel bad if I go out on these public

805
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: plan hunts and you know, tag a smaller buck or

806
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: younger buck if that's if that gets me excited, if

807
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: that would be something I'd be pretty pumped about. Um,

808
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of done with comments on YouTube or

809
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: what people send me on d ms on Instagram or

810
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: what someone at work says or whatever. I'm just gonna

811
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: do me And uh, I think that's gonna I think

812
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna work pretty well. Hey, you go get it,

813
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: like I love that. I Uh, dude, I'm I'm in

814
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: the same boat. Man. The best part about all that

815
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: you can kind of boil it down is is, uh,

816
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: I stopped giving a ship about what other people thought

817
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: about me a very long time ago, and uh um,

818
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: it's free to be able to do what you want

819
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: and enjoy your own success the way you define it,

820
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: not someone else. So uh, dude, I hope that whatever

821
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: you're looking for, you find it and you slay it.

822
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: Nice buddy. So let's let's talk about that a little more.

823
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk goals. So I'll just briefly expand on what

824
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: I just said there. My my, my season is very

825
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: different than maybe like six seven years ago when you

826
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: and I did one of these episodes, because back then

827
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: or even five or six years ago, we would have

828
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: these goals hopes, some hit list conversation and I beg,

829
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: all right, my goal is to kill a five year

830
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: old buck in Michigan or like a four or five

831
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: year old buck in Ohio. And I want to kill

832
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: only Holy Field in Michigan. And I got a fill

833
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: a tag in this day in this stick. You know,

834
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: I was very that this year I only have two goals.

835
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: Goal Number one is just is just keep it fun,

836
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: Like I just want this year to be fun. And

837
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: that's like anytime I'm in a tough spot or um

838
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: debating what to do, or I'm sitting there and I'm

839
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: starting to stress out about shooting hunt here or there,

840
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna remind myself, is this fun? And I'm

841
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: gonna do what's what's fun this year. And I'm actually

842
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: betting that that's probably gonna make me more successful too,

843
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: or at least okay with whatever success comes by, because

844
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: as you've you've heard over many years, I allow myself

845
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: to get pretty stressed out during the hunting season. So

846
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: this year, it's like I keep on telling myself, it's

847
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: gonna be my season of joy, Like that's what it's

848
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: gonna be about. So that's goal number one, and then

849
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: goal number two is shooting. I just want good, clean shots.

850
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't want any more rush shots. I don't want

851
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: a gut shot, I don't want to miss. I just

852
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: want good shots. So this spring, this is one thing

853
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: I have been doing all year, more than I have

854
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: in the past. I've kept shooting all through the whole

855
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: year pretty much. And in April I met with a

856
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: shooting coach, had a really good time with him, and

857
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: uh kind of tore down my whole system again and

858
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: rebuilt it. And I've been shooting since April all the

859
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: way through the summer, and I'm feeling better about my

860
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: shooting than ever before. So I'm excited about that and

861
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: I just want that to continue this year. So if

862
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: I can have fun all year, and if I can,

863
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you can't control the situation. But if

864
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: I can feel like I had in control shots as year,

865
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: where I know I did my part right at least,

866
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: then this year is going to be a success. I

867
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: don't care what I shoot. I don't care if it's

868
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: five big bucks or nothing. If I can do those

869
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: two things, this is gonna be a very successful year.

870
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: So those are my two goals for this year. Now

871
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: I do have other hopes, but those are my two goals.

872
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: So that's that's what I got there. What do you

873
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: go from a goal standpoint? Man, I'll tell you what

874
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: it's like. The more I do this, the less I

875
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: want to make goals because something always happens, or something

876
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: changes so quickly before a moment of success or before

877
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: a moment of failure, you find yourself going you know,

878
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: that's not even what I wanted in the first place.

879
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: But your mind changed, right. So if I you know,

880
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: right now in Iowa, and I'm after a big, fat,

881
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: mature buck, right, that's that's what I want. I want

882
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: a four four year old or older five year old

883
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: or older. Um, I don't know if he's got big fat,

884
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: If he's got big antlers, that would be awesome. Um no,

885
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: lie there. But on on top of that, you know,

886
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: on my out of state hunts, it's gonna be any

887
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: I llegal, any legal buck. Uh. And then as those

888
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: vacation time or as that that trip starts to wind down,

889
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna be any legal deer. So I don't know, man,

890
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: it's I'm I. I like to go into these things

891
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: with absolutely zero expectations now and just go with the

892
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: flow and let whatever happens happens. And I think that

893
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: if if you start to what what I My goal

894
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: is to learn how to hunt animals in different environments.

895
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: And so when I go out west to Nebraska, completely

896
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: different landscape than what I hunt in Iowa or South

897
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: Dakota or you know this year Oklahoma, these are different landscapes.

898
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: So in order for me to be successful, I have

899
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: to learn, and I can't. I can't just say, hey,

900
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking for any legal buck, because hell, I don't

901
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: even know where any legal buck lives out there right now.

902
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: I have to go educate myself on how to hunt

903
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: in these environments and and use the principles from how

904
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: I think dear move and other scenarios, or what I've

905
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: learned in the shorter period, you know, a short period

906
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: of time in some of my other Western hunting experiences

907
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: or out of state hunts, and and really go and

908
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: try to focus on you know, focus on what how

909
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: how they move through the terrain, and just learn about

910
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: dear behavior and other environments. And and once I can

911
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: do that, then I feel like I can go. Okay,

912
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: my goal this year is this because I know how

913
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: they live out here now, and and honestly, man, I

914
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: wish I could say I do know how they live,

915
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: but I really don't. It's it's just I'm not. I'm

916
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: still in data collection mode and education mode on my

917
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: oddest date hunts, and in Iowa, I'm in a completely

918
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: different mode. I'm in you know, I'm in locate a

919
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: big deer and try to kill him mode. So two

920
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: completely different Uh, like a set of expectations to different goals,

921
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: you know all that stuff. So yeah, that's my goal.

922
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: I get that. Now you mentioned Iowa being different. Do

923
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: you have any bucks that you hope made it to

924
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: this year from the from last year that you know

925
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: and have history with or is there any of that

926
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: you actually know for sure based on a picture cell

927
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: can't picture anything yet, Like, do you have any specific

928
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: deer that you know would tickularly your fancy if they

929
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: showed up? Yeah, there's only this year, only one, because well,

930
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: I lost the main property the we're I think I

931
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: told the story about I was one ridge over all

932
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: last year from a really big deer. Lost that property, right, However,

933
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: it's next to some public so I might be able

934
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: to backdoor in there and uh maybe see if it's

935
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: running that core area as well. I might throw a

936
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: trail camera up in there. Uh come you know, come September.

937
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: But outside of that, I really do think that, um,

938
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: outside of that man one buck, I think there's one

939
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: deer that showed up last year that was well excuse

940
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: me too, both of them eight pointers. One was a clean,

941
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: clean four year old. I mean he was pretty, he

942
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: was pretty wide. He was pretty tall. I mean he's

943
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: like a giant eight and then another eight pointer not

944
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: as big of a frame, but he had junk all

945
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: over the place, like junk on the base, is junk

946
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: coming off the g twos and things like that. And uh,

947
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: the first one that I mentioned, I didn't get any

948
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: pictures of him after the season, but the the eight

949
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: pointer was junk that owed up. He showed up late

950
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: January after the season is over, so but I haven't

951
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: had any pictures of him yet so far. However, all

952
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: my trail cameras are out late. I have one cell

953
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: camera up in that area and it's not catching anything

954
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: too serious. I did. I did have one mature buck

955
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: on camera so far, only one. He's an eight point

956
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: or two, but he's not right on that cusp of

957
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: do I want to put my tag around him or not?

958
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: So we'll see. Um. So as far as just to

959
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: answer your question, probably just one deer so far that

960
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I have any type of history with, well, does that

961
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: does that make you nervous at all? Or do you

962
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: feel like you know, you've had years like this in

963
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: the past and September October they'll be there. Yeah, dude,

964
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: that's why I try not to get so jacked up

965
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: anymore because I look at look, you know seven years ago,

966
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: you know when we started the uh the Wired to

967
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, and we would have these conversations and I

968
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: would a mark, Dude, I got seven shooters on the

969
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: property right now, and every year, guess what would happen

970
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: at September the old shift? They're gone, you have the

971
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: old September shift, and so that I know it's coming,

972
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: so I know sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad.

973
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: So I don't even get my hopes up anymore until

974
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: it's time to go actually hunt those properties. And so

975
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: sometimes I may not even I may not even really

976
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: get too hype about anything anymore until October or like

977
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: late October, I mean, And so who knows who like,

978
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna what's gonna happen, And a lot

979
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: of it has to depend on my first my first

980
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: card poll before the the process starts, if that makes sense, right,

981
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: locating a deer via trail camera, trying to triangulate his

982
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: position and then hop into a really good terrain feature

983
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: where he's at at that time, and hopefully, uh, I

984
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: don't know, man, hopefully get have an encounter with a shooter. Yeah,

985
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: it's come a long way, haven't we. Things have changed, Yeah, yeah,

986
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 1: and I think it's all for the better too, write

987
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: I find myself enjoying the time spending the tree stand

988
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: more these days then you know even five years ago

989
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: where it was. Man, you know, I gotta shoot a buck.

990
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: I gotta shoot a buck now, I know what I

991
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: need to do. I just you know, if a deer

992
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: show like I just I just need the deer to

993
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: show up, and you can't. You can't sit there and

994
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: stress like, oh my god, a deer it's not showing up.

995
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so frustrated. Well, they're You're wasting your energy

996
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: at that point, right, You gotta you gotta start over again,

997
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: and then you keep you keep going through whatever process

998
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: works for you. And that's that's what I'm trying to do.

999
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: I wonder if like this, like that trajectory, if that's

1000
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: tied to age, or if that's tied to like your

1001
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: journey along with the path as a deer hunter, Like

1002
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: is there something to be said like this, like stress

1003
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: and comparison all that is yet just because we are

1004
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: younger and now we're aging out of that or is

1005
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: it actually like we've come into our own as hunters,

1006
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: and we for a long time we are still just

1007
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: there was so much to figure out, there was so

1008
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: much to really get our heads around. And now like

1009
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: we both are confident in our experience and what we

1010
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: know and how to do it. And now it's it's

1011
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: it's it's different. Now, it's like, Okay, we know what

1012
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: to do, and if if it doesn't work out, it's

1013
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: not because we're idiots, it's because it didn't happen today.

1014
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: But we, you know, we're confident in the path. And

1015
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that's part of like this shift

1016
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: in our mindsets in recent years. Um, I don't know, yeah,

1017
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: And and so I can't speak for you, but I

1018
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: can speak for me, alright. So let's see here sixteen seventeen,

1019
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen. So I'm on a seven year run in

1020
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: in Iowa, right, and so as far as my skills

1021
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: are concerned, I'm confident. I'm not shaky, like you know,

1022
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: like there's a difference probably between a rookie going to

1023
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and Tom Brady going to the super Bowl,

1024
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now, I'm not trying to

1025
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: sit here and compare myself to Tom Brady. But I've

1026
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: been around the block now a couple of times, and

1027
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: I know that I know how this thing works. Right

1028
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: If if they don't show up, there's no reason to

1029
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: get stressed about it. You have to do your job

1030
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: and do what has worked in the past. And you

1031
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: can do that without getting stressed or worked up about it.

1032
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: Just do what you do what you do. Just just

1033
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: put the plan into process or into you know, into

1034
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: go mode, and it just it just kind of happens

1035
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: at that point. And when it happens, then I feel

1036
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: like it's more pure, and it's uh, it's less like

1037
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: reading a textbook and more like catching the ultimate wave

1038
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: like uh, like body from point break. God, that's great.

1039
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: You had to somehow get a point break reference and

1040
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I don't know, man, it's just um, it's

1041
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: just this this thing that I love to do, you

1042
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's it's not it's not

1043
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: frustrating like running, it's like walking. It's as like it's

1044
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: not as I don't know how to put it without

1045
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: sounding and kind of arrogant. But I feel like I've

1046
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: figured certain things out, especially in Iowa. Right, But you

1047
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: remove me from what I feel very comfortable and confident

1048
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: in on the farms that I hunt in the terrain

1049
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: in Iowa. And now I'm a different hunter right because

1050
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: of the different scenarios and the different environments and things

1051
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm two different people in in and

1052
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: out of certain worlds. So in Iowa, man, I'm confident

1053
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: like I can go into I could go into an

1054
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: area and I can say, well, of all the other

1055
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: places I've hunted, this, this is a good. This place

1056
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: looks like big Buck would live here, and I would

1057
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: either throw a trail camera in there or I would

1058
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: hunt it a couple of times. And I bet you

1059
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna I'm gonna find the deer that live

1060
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: in this area if I give it enough time, A

1061
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: good deer in whatever area I'm hunting. And you take

1062
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: me out of that, Yeah, it's different. Yeah m hmmm,

1063
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: I um, I get that, hundredson, Get that. And I

1064
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: will say, kind of rewinding the tape a little bit

1065
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: and just jumping back into kind of how I have said,

1066
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, here in my local stuff, I'm not it's

1067
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: worried about you know, specific deer or anything. I still

1068
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: do get excited though, to possibly see one of these deer,

1069
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: you know again, Like yeah, for a lot for a

1070
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: few years, there is you know very well. I was

1071
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: like upset with specific deer right and it was like

1072
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: I gotta kill this one deer and it was like

1073
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: that deer or bust um. And and now I feel

1074
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: like I'm still excited for a couple of deers show

1075
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: up and hopefully get a crack at them. But I'm

1076
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 1: also like I've just kind of come to the terms

1077
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: of the fact, back to what we've been talking about

1078
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: the whole time, Like nobody cares if I kill this

1079
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: deer or not, Like nobody really cares. Why should I

1080
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: care that much? I mean, this is not like for death.

1081
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: This is just we're just out there chasing, as our

1082
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: buddy Tony likes to say, rabbits with antlers with a

1083
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: stick and string, and there's no reason to do it

1084
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: except to have fun and to put meat in the freezer.

1085
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: So why am I out there freaking out about whether

1086
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: or not someone's gonna kill my buck quote unquote or

1087
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: if it's gonna happen. Like I'm gonna go out there

1088
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hope to see one of these deer

1089
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna, you know, keep tabs on them as

1090
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: best as I can, and I'll study the patterns and

1091
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: I'll do the thing because it's fun. But if it

1092
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen, I'm just I'm just sick of getting

1093
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: all frustrated about it. So yeah, in that world, there's

1094
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: only one person. It's me. Yeah, you know, you're you.

1095
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: You are in your world. I'm not in your world, right,

1096
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: And so that's that's where I really think a lot

1097
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: of people get frustrated in is because they're not they're there.

1098
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: There's too much into the equation. They're putting too much

1099
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: into the equation where the equation is quite simple if

1100
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: you can figure it out. And once you figure it out,

1101
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, this is this is awesome and

1102
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: and it's it's okay to let people into your world sometimes,

1103
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: but when it comes to defining success and actually having success,

1104
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: you're you're in control of that, nobody else is. So

1105
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 1: one last thing I gotta I gotta drop in here

1106
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: before we wrap it up, which is just uh, the

1107
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: hopes I have for a few deer in my Michigan

1108
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: spots because most of my honest state stuff saw that

1109
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: I saw the velvet, the velvet video you posted. I mean,

1110
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: anythink about that one? Is that compare him to some

1111
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: of the deer that you've gotten the past off that property.

1112
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: So this is in that general area. Um, so this

1113
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: is down in my local. I've got some different Michigan spots,

1114
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: and in that area, I've killed some you know, some

1115
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: pretty good deer. You know, bucks, uh four to six

1116
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: years old, And I killed my biggest Michigan buck, which

1117
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: is like a hundred sixty five in ten pointer, and

1118
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: then I've got a couple others that are like one

1119
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: thirty one forty. Um. So I got eyes the other

1120
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: day on a buck that's probably the middle of the

1121
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: pack on that one. He's the kind of deer that really,

1122
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: if you gave him another year, you know, he'd be

1123
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: like a mega giant. Um. But there's no way I'm

1124
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: passing like a hundred forty five hundred fifty thirteen pointer

1125
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: or something. So so yeah, I got eyes on a

1126
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: really nice buck. Um. He's got splits off both of

1127
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: his brow times and both of his G two's, So

1128
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: like one G two is a really deep split and

1129
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: the other G two is more of like a hook

1130
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: coming off of it, and then on his brow times

1131
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: there's like a small split coming off both brow times

1132
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: and actually a little tiny like sticker drop or almost

1133
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: coming off the main beam. And otherwise he's a main

1134
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: frame eight. So he's an eight with all that stuff. Um, so,

1135
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 1: really really cool deer. We don't get like nontypicals like that,

1136
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: at least in the areas I hunt very often. So

1137
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: that's a very uncommon set of characteristics. So that's just

1138
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: exciting to see a deer like that. Um. I actually

1139
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: got footage of him. I saw him again when I

1140
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: was out glassing last night too. Um I there's a

1141
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: possibility he's a buck that I no. I never saw

1142
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: this buck last year, but I got a lot of

1143
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: pictures of him. He had split brow times last year.

1144
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: And again, like I said, we don't get those kinds

1145
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: of deer. Um. So it's the only split brow time

1146
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: buck I've had on camera. And I don't know years,

1147
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: three or four years, and now this buck comes back

1148
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 1: has splits, but more junk. It's not a perfect match.

1149
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, sometimes the bucks you can see like

1150
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: it's obvious for sure, like they just got bigger, but

1151
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: all the same characteristics. This buck is like ish like

1152
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: kinda so I don't know, maybe maybe not, but super

1153
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: cool buck. Um. I did see another buck for sure.

1154
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: That is a deer from last year. I found this

1155
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: bucks shed two years ago. He was a wide eight pointer.

1156
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: Last year he popped a ninth point, so he was

1157
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: a nine points a three year old last year saw

1158
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: him like everywhere was passing him. And this year he's back.

1159
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: He's a ten pointer now but otherwise it looks exactly

1160
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: the same. And so he'll be a four year old

1161
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: this year and a deer I've seen a lot and

1162
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: super cool, so he'd be one I take a crack

1163
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: at would be excited about. Uh. So he's the wide

1164
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: nine and then the the number one buck. I have

1165
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: yet to see him, but I know he made it

1166
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: through the season. Um, he's a deer. I was calling Jr.

1167
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: Because two years ago, two or three years ago, whenever

1168
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: it was that, I was still in tran Um. This

1169
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: buck looked like him, but like a junior version of him,

1170
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: like a miniature version of him, and like every time

1171
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: I see him coming through the woods of like, oh

1172
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: ship's tran And then I realized it was not it

1173
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: was the little guy. Um, so I passed him a

1174
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: bunch that year, and then last year he was a

1175
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: deer I would have shot as a four year old

1176
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: last year and he was like just a big, really

1177
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: big eight pointer, um, and never got a crack at him,

1178
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: made it through. I don't know if he's still around

1179
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: this year, but he was around as of like late

1180
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: January or February. So knock on wood, hopefully he'll be

1181
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: around this year. And my guests that he'll just be

1182
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: a really big eight again and a five year old,

1183
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: so he would be a deer I'd be I'd be

1184
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: stoked to see as well. So so there's Junior, there's

1185
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: that non typical dude, there's the Y nine, and then

1186
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: there was another just like solid eight pointer last year

1187
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: I saw around quite a bit in one of these

1188
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: areas and um, and I passed on him as well,

1189
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, kind of if he, like God,

1190
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: he might be might be a four year old I have,

1191
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: but probably a three year old, and so I never

1192
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: really tried to get after him, but I thought about it.

1193
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: And so if he's around this year, he would be

1194
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: a definite shooter too. So yeah, so there's a handful

1195
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: of good Michigan deer run around and you never know

1196
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: what might show up. There's always the chance for a surprise.

1197
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: But um, I do love still having some places I

1198
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: hunt year after year where you do get to know

1199
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: some of the deer year after year, because that going

1200
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: back to the fun, like it is fun to see

1201
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: these deer and see how they change, and to try

1202
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: to look back at what do they do on camera

1203
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: last year? And what did I see last year? Will

1204
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: they will they do that thing again? Um? I love

1205
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: like the public land new hunting kinds of places, But

1206
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about having some history like

1207
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: that is a fun puzzle to work through too, So

1208
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. I definitely want to be able

1209
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: to do that someday. Right to own the property or too,

1210
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, man like be in control of something

1211
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: because I've I've never had that. I've never had a

1212
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: property where I could go in and you know, be

1213
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: in control where it's just me or my fami, my

1214
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: hunting right because if I always share it with someone else,

1215
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: they go and do their things. There's never really any

1216
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: conversations about what to shoot or not to shoot. Um

1217
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: And thus the days for me of really trying to

1218
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: identify and follow along with a single deer. Are almost

1219
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: all but over until I you know, get get that

1220
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: opportunity someday hopefully. Why don't you go buy that farm

1221
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: those landowners, those kids are selling. Yeah, dude, I live

1222
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: in the most expensive county in Iowa. Unfortunately, and unless

1223
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: I had a million dollars just kind of sitting in

1224
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: my back pocket, uh, it's not gonna happen. All right, folks,

1225
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: here's what we gotta do. We all gotta start. We

1226
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: got all gotta go and start buying Dan Johnson. Let's

1227
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: give him some uh Iowa farm. No, we're gonna We're

1228
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: all gonna go and like put your podcast on repeat

1229
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: so that your number skyrocket to like ten million downloads

1230
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: an episode, and then you can charge a million dollars

1231
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: for your sponsors next year and buy farm and then

1232
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: invite me to hunt the next year. I draw right there,

1233
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: we go, Hey, all right, if that, I'll tell you

1234
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: what If that works, you know, let's let's give it

1235
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: a try. All right, All right, man, this is uh.

1236
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: I think this is a good place to wrap it

1237
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: up and get to part two of my podcast today.

1238
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: But thank you, this is uh, this is too this

1239
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: is this is too long and coming again, and I

1240
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: think we got to try to figure out a way.

1241
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: Schedules are tough these days with both of what we

1242
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: got going on. But if we can somehow figure out

1243
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: a way to do like a check in like this,

1244
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, like once a month or something through

1245
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: the hunting season, it's just so much fun to get

1246
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: to talk about what's going on in our lives in

1247
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: the hunting season and like foul along, like I missed

1248
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: that if if we can see it, we should try

1249
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: to do that this year. Absolutely, And let me say

1250
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: good luck to you Mark man, I hope you slay,

1251
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: and good luck to everybody who's listening. Man. I I

1252
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: love when I see success from other people man, whether

1253
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: it's someone like Mark or you know, regular Joe who

1254
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: you know put in sixty hours on the factory line

1255
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: and got out then got it done. So I enjoy

1256
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, so true. Agreed. All right, thanks buddy,

1257
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: alright back with me on the show for your third appearance.

1258
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: I think Eddie, we've got Eddie Claypool. Welcome back, Eddie,

1259
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: thank you glad to be here. These uh, these are

1260
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: always some of my favorite chats. So I appreciate coming

1261
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: on every every time I start thinking about, you know,

1262
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: wanting the chat in the weeds on something d I

1263
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: y bow hunting. My buddy Tony Peterson always reminds me,

1264
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: you gotta call Eddie. You gotta call Eddie. And when

1265
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: we were when we were talking about doing this series,

1266
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: you popped into my mind before Tony suggested this, So

1267
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: I got ahead of him on this one. I said,

1268
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: we gotta talk to Eddie. So I'm glad you're able

1269
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: to make it happen. Thank you for doing this well.

1270
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. If you want to get some redneck

1271
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: you know Amphiles, you're you got the right guy what

1272
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: we're looking for. And uh, you know, with the season

1273
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: about to kick off, I know you're hitting the road

1274
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: here soon and me too. We're doing this little mini

1275
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: series Eddie where I'm calling out to what would you

1276
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: do format in which you know we were basically, I'm

1277
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: gonna run you through a bunch of hypothetical hunting scenarios,

1278
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna take you through some doozies. It's gonna be a

1279
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: little bit of a gauntlet here and there, and uh,

1280
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: I just want to hear how you would handle it.

1281
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: How you would deal with this challenge or this situation,

1282
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: What would you be thinking about, what's the kind of

1283
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: what are the other things you'd want to know to

1284
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: better make a decision? Um? You know, I think we

1285
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,520
Speaker 1: can just have an interesting conversation about these different possible

1286
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: scenarios and uh and learn a little bit about how

1287
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: Eddie Claypool makes it happen in the woods. So are

1288
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: you game to go down this path? Yeah, I'm I'm

1289
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: interested see how what comes out of my mouth too.

1290
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: I'll probably be learning about myself. That sounds good to

1291
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: me than Eddie. So I think in the interest of

1292
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: just scratching our white tail, that's as quickly as possible.

1293
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: How about we just jump right into the first scenario.

1294
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: And in this one, Eddie, I want to imagine that

1295
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: you have got to go back to your public land roots. Now.

1296
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: I know that recently you you picked up, you bought

1297
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: a piece of property yourself, but let's let's imagine that

1298
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: you couldn't hunt it this year for whatever reason. You

1299
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: can't hunt your home for your home farm, so you

1300
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: gotta hunt public land. And you unfortunately realize this in August.

1301
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: It's late and you're like, oh, man, I gotta hunt

1302
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: some new public land. You only are going to have

1303
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: one weekend in August to prepare for this brand new adventure.

1304
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you one weekend, so you've got two days.

1305
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: How would you spend your only two days of public land?

1306
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: Whe tell prep if that was the situation you were in,

1307
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: what would you do over the course of those forty

1308
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: eight hours to maximize your preparations and scouting to hunt

1309
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: this public peace? Now, I got a point one of

1310
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: the things. This would be a new piece of public

1311
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: land you're hunting. This can't be somewhere you've been before.

1312
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: So that's the situation. What would you do it? Well?

1313
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: Now on what I got to get done, you know,

1314
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: in the season, and only having those two days to

1315
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: on ground, I'm going to spend a lot more time

1316
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: outside of those two days on maps and Google Earth

1317
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, looking at it from aerial and

1318
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm gonna the during those two days. The

1319
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: main thing I'm gonna do is drive the roads, learn

1320
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: all the access points, and you know how to get

1321
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: around in the place and get a feel for the

1322
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: lay of the land, and you know what's there in

1323
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: the way of the habitat, but mainly now a days,

1324
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to use technol ergy to scout that I'm

1325
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: going to get above it and look down on it,

1326
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna want to know where the roads are

1327
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: for the main access or any access points are. I'm

1328
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna mark them all, and then I'm going to look

1329
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: for the most inaccessible spots on that public land. There's

1330
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: gonna be some spots somewhere that has some serious problems

1331
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: obstacles about getting a warm body to them, and those

1332
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 1: are the few that I'm gonna mark, and then I'm gonna,

1333
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: you know, take it to the next level that any

1334
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: normal whitetailed guy would do is figure out what winds

1335
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to hunt them, how I'm going to

1336
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: get to them. If that means, you know, if I've

1337
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: got to get watercraft involved something, Usually there's you know,

1338
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: um water, you know, creeks, rivers, lakes, something, and there's

1339
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: usually spots along them that are like a long way

1340
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,799
Speaker 1: from a road. And so water access is an important

1341
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: thing I've used over the years, either chess waiters to

1342
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: wait you know, creeks that the average guy is not

1343
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 1: going to try to even think about getting across or

1344
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: putting in a little small canoe or something. But the

1345
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: two days I'm going to be there in the summer,

1346
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: I'm not really big on putting myself out in that

1347
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: habitat and walking around in it. I don't know what

1348
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,839
Speaker 1: to gain them and accept a lot of ticks and jiggers,

1349
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: and it may be a snake bike. But I'm gonna

1350
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my scouting from above at home a

1351
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: lot outside those two days, and then the two days

1352
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to all the work to learn all

1353
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: I can learn about the road and water access points,

1354
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: and um, look at the land in comparison to what

1355
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,919
Speaker 1: it looks like from above, in other words, to compare

1356
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: the fields. See what's being farmed this year versus you

1357
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: know an open field on Google Earth. That the imagery

1358
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: could be a year old, you know, and it might

1359
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: be a fallow field this year's grown up in weeds

1360
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: or something. And I want to learn what I can

1361
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: from the roads. But mainly the two days, it's not

1362
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: gonna be me out there beating my brains out through

1363
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: that habitat looking for anything dearer. Wise, UM, I just

1364
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: don't put a lot of stock and needing to do

1365
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: that in August. I would like to have had those

1366
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: two days back the previous um January or February. You

1367
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: know where I where I could have got in there

1368
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: when everybody's out, the woods are open and the signs

1369
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,799
Speaker 1: still there. But if I've just got two days in August,

1370
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: it's going to be learning where I'm gonna mount my

1371
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: attack from figuring out where everybody else is probably gonna

1372
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: mainly be and what they're gonna be doing, and then

1373
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: trying to get around, you know, to where they're not

1374
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: none of them going to be getting to, and then

1375
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: you're planning to be once the season kicks off. That's

1376
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: when you'll really get boots on the ground in the habitat,

1377
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: in setting stands and and figuring it out as you

1378
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: go in season. Is there right? Exactually? And then really

1379
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of you know, I I know, I'm kind

1380
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: of narrow in my scope on light till I've never

1381
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: really been an excellent early season might kill hunter. Um,

1382
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: I'm not real good at figuring out how to kill

1383
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: those big mature bucks in early October, all of them

1384
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: I've ever dealt with. That is one of the least

1385
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: likely times you're gonna kill them now, I do know

1386
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: the hunting community has figured out how to short circuit

1387
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: that now by you know, the grow your own, feed

1388
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 1: your own, um, you know, cornering them and stuff. You

1389
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Yeah, I'm not that if you

1390
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: want to hunt them straight up to fair Chase, I'm

1391
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: not gonna really plan on killing my buck in early October.

1392
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: I probably won't plan on really hunting them seriously until

1393
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: the third week of October, uh earliest. I'm a rud hunter.

1394
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: That's money what I've always just honed in on with

1395
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: catching bucks when they're out prowling. And uh so I'm

1396
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: going to go in there in early October and soon

1397
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: as you know, the temperatures are inductive and I can

1398
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: get around, and I'm going to go ahead and put

1399
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: my you know, feet on the ground and learn a

1400
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: lot of things I learned. Then are you know old

1401
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: signed like signpost drubs areas where you see, you know,

1402
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: where the big bucks have rubbed their horns in past years.

1403
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: But I'm not really planning. I'm looking more for pinch points,

1404
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: if you want to get technical. I'm looking at the

1405
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 1: lay of the land and the way the vegetation and

1406
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 1: it all comes together and the and the pinch points

1407
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: can be very subtle things that you know, maybe early

1408
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: on bow hunter may not really recognize that is a

1409
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: pinch point just because of the certain changes in vegetation. Um,

1410
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: you've got to kind of get some you know, experience

1411
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: under your belt to figure out how those bucks like

1412
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: to move through different types of habitat. Just an edge

1413
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: between a you know, a real grown up field and

1414
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: an open woodlot can be a pinch point if if

1415
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: if you know, you know, if it's if it's in

1416
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: the rights and area, So it doesn't have to be

1417
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: that classical hour glass pinch point. I'm looking for like

1418
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: between two big blocks September with a little, you know,

1419
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: narrow tree line in between them. But um, I'm gonna

1420
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: go in there in early October and I'm gonna I'm

1421
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: gonna get a real good feel for where a few

1422
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: of these points that I think these rutting bucks are

1423
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: gonna walk through when they're going from point A to

1424
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 1: point B. And and that's a lot of what I

1425
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: do on the aerial scouting. You can you can figure

1426
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: where the bigger blocks the cover at in relation to

1427
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: the food, and you can kind of put a pink

1428
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: by numbers together and figure out, well, you know a

1429
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: lot of the feedings going on here, a lot of

1430
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: the bettings going on over here. So all I got

1431
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: to figure out is how are they getting between those

1432
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: two points and get right in the middle there in

1433
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: a in a bit of a pinch point and hunting

1434
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: during the rut. And I know that may not be

1435
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: the number one best way to do it, but it's

1436
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: what I've done. And you've got to dance with the

1437
01:16:56,200 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: one that brought you so um, I've just always done that.

1438
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: And because of the time that I usually put in

1439
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: and the patience I usually put in, I I have,

1440
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, feathered my nest with a lot of good

1441
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: bucks during that light October to light November period, you know. Yeah,

1442
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: So a question for you, and I know that you've

1443
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: been hunting public land white tilles for a long time

1444
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: and you saw what things were like, you know, twenty

1445
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 1: plus years ago, and you've also seen what public lands like,

1446
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: excuse me, in the last couple of years. And I

1447
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: know that recently that you've had some frustrations with you know,

1448
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: all the hunters and the pressure and how that's changed things.

1449
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm curious have you had to have you had to

1450
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: seek out some of those more subtle pinch points more

1451
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: recently in these newer days because the obvious pinch points

1452
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: are becoming you know, a spot that everybody goes to now,

1453
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: is that those subtle spots become more important now in

1454
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: recent years because of the fact that public land hunting

1455
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: is gained popularity and those obvious pinch points are becoming

1456
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: obviously popular. Oh. Absolutely, that's just a no brainer right there,

1457
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: because I mean twenty years ago, when I was hunting

1458
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: public land hardcore, I I didn't even hardly it didn't

1459
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: seem like public land because I I just didn't have

1460
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with people. Uh, you know, I

1461
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: don't know. To me, see, I've been at this like

1462
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: forty plus years now, and I've seen a pretty broad

1463
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: spectrum of what the hunting industry has been through, and

1464
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: I've watched the game departments evolved. I've watched the hunting

1465
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: industry evolve, and I've seen and I know that sometimes

1466
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm called a negative Nancy, but I'm not gonna lie

1467
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: to you. Over the you know, the past forty and

1468
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: especially the past twenty years, I haven't seen a whole

1469
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:59,759
Speaker 1: lot of positives and um, the hunting world, populations of

1470
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: the animals, the mature animals, the access to the hunting um.

1471
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: A lot of things have gone backwards. Um. And I

1472
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: don't mean to be negative, but I'm just telling you

1473
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: what I have seen. And yeah, nowadays, if you go

1474
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: try to hit the most obvious pinch points, you might

1475
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: as well to sco play golf because there's gonna be

1476
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: a guy or two or three that's already set in there.

1477
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: And uh that I don't deal with. I I have.

1478
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: I started my hunting career out west in the late

1479
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: seventies and I was a wilderness fanatic and I'm just

1480
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: not a endo. I don't like dealing with people. I'm

1481
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: my only child, and I'm not socially good and i

1482
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: don't like dealing with people. And God forgive me for it,

1483
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: but I'm going to go to probably the most worthless

1484
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: sort of spot if necessary, to get away from people.

1485
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: But then again, that's the greatest thing you can do

1486
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: in public plan because any any buck worth is, you know,

1487
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: white gold is gonna hide out where people ain't tromping

1488
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 1: him up and stomping him up twice a day. He's

1489
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: gonna figure out where in his home that he can

1490
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: hide out and have some security. And of course I

1491
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: figure that same thing out because that's where the you know,

1492
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: you've got to figure out where the people aren't getting to.

1493
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some nooks and crannies on all public

1494
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: lands that for some reason, and it can be a

1495
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,799
Speaker 1: multiple to the reasons, but there will be some reasons

1496
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: why they're overlooked. And you know, there might still be

1497
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: a guy or two getting into him once in a while.

1498
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: But but if that old buck doesn't get bumped but

1499
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: once ever so many days versus he's you know, going

1500
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 1: through this pench point and he gets killed the first

1501
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: time he walks through it or shot at or wounded.

1502
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be back there in that thicket

1503
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: that you know, eight foot tall Johnson grass thicket that's

1504
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: ten acres that nobody in the right mind walks through it,

1505
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: because I mean it's eight foot tall Johnson grass, right,

1506
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: And so you know, I mean, those bucks, unless they

1507
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: just totally light out and go for a no new

1508
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: home range, they're going to have to be in those

1509
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: areas where the people aren't. And so that's what I do.

1510
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: In the last twenty years. Gosh almighty, ever since the

1511
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: advent of the video era of the hunting world. See

1512
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so far before the advent of video hunting,

1513
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean TV, and I mean back

1514
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: in them days, it was just utopia. It was just

1515
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: too good to be true. Living through that era and

1516
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: then having to live through this one is just enough

1517
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: to make you want to shoot yourself because you know

1518
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: the difference between the way it used to be in

1519
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: the way it is, and it haunts you. And sometimes

1520
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: I think ignorance would be blessed. In other words, maybe

1521
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: I just started bow hunting twenty years ago and didn't

1522
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: even know the way it used to be. So yeah,

1523
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: on public land nowadays, don't don't go here's another thing,

1524
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: elk too out west. I've watched what's happened to the

1525
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: elk thing. If you go to any of your classical

1526
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: elk cabitat the stuff that they want to live in

1527
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: and that they do live in all year except hunting season.

1528
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: If you go to that anymore on public lands, and

1529
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: then across the counter type of hunt, you're you're just

1530
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: you're out of your mind. You gotta look for the

1531
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: hell holes and just go right straight to them. Because

1532
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: after the first day season or two out west all

1533
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: of Elk pile off and and canyons and and living

1534
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: and blow down cliff the areas where nobody goes. And

1535
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: it's the same way with our public land. White tells

1536
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: you just gotta get don't park, it's the normal trail heads.

1537
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: Don't walk the normal you know, routes in and get

1538
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: in the normal pinch points, get your top blow out

1539
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 1: or not taplow anymore. That see that. That dates me

1540
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,799
Speaker 1: right there. But get your aerials or get on Google

1541
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: Earth and and pick out the most inaccessible spots on

1542
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: public lands and the thickest, nastiest ones. I mean, I've

1543
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: got some spots on public plan that I have worked

1544
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: on two or three winners in a row, trying to

1545
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: get them where I felt like I could shoot a

1546
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: deer if it come by. You know. Um, I'm talking

1547
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,719
Speaker 1: stuff that's so thick that you I often don't see

1548
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: a deer touch within twenty yards of me, you know.

1549
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: And that's where they spend their days. And uh, you know,

1550
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: you get back in there and they get to chase

1551
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: them those around and that during the day, and it

1552
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: can be quite a little freak show going on around

1553
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: you in them in them hell holes on public land sometimes.

1554
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's it's just a matter of common sense

1555
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if if I call it that,

1556
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 1: because I've been doing it for forty plus years, but

1557
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 1: if if it's a new guy, beginner, don't go with

1558
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: traditional thoughts, don't go with traditional advice. Get outside the

1559
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: box and and just dive in and you're gonna figure

1560
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: it out. Um, you know, don't go fish fight with

1561
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: everybody over the traditional pinch point to get a wife

1562
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,759
Speaker 1: from them. Let them have them. Those big old bucks

1563
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: won't walk through them probably and the douled anyway, Um,

1564
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: get back in their hoard or just staging an arc,

1565
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, and those stickets and get away from the

1566
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: traditional good spots and and and take your chances on

1567
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: that and you'll be better off. So so then kind

1568
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: of jumping off of them, I've got another scenario because

1569
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: I want to I want to pitch or I want

1570
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 1: to pivot to a different situation. Let's imagine that you

1571
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 1: instead of being the hunter that you are, and instead

1572
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: of you know, having the experience that you have, let's

1573
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 1: imagine that instead you are a newer hunter. Well, how

1574
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: suld I frame this? Basically, you're someone who is hunting

1575
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: not for a trophy buck. You're not trying to hunt

1576
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: them mature buck. You're just trying to get any buck.

1577
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: It's a meat crisis. You need food, your family is

1578
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: desperately hungry. And let's say you've got a day job,

1579
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: so you don't have a lot of time either. So

1580
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: it's like a your weekend warrior who's just trying to

1581
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: get a deer and yeah, just a bohn and you're

1582
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 1: hunting public land. So how would your advice change on

1583
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: public land given that now I'm talking, I need any deer.

1584
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kill it on the weekends. I just

1585
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: gotta eat. How would you approach things in that case?

1586
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: Is it the exact same advice you just gave or

1587
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: something different? Now? Not at all? Not really? I mean,

1588
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry about doing what I just said. That's

1589
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of a trophy buck scenario. I've been locked in

1590
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: on antlers for I don't know how long. I even

1591
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: back when I didn't know how to get him, I

1592
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: was infatuated with him and I But if you're just

1593
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: wanting to hunt to get a deer and fun. You

1594
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: can take a lot of the pressure off and a

1595
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: lot of the work. Now you're going to have some

1596
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: people problems. Get ready for that and get mentally psyched up,

1597
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 1: but you know that's okay. Don't worry about it. Just

1598
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: go and have some fun. Um, get in the traditional

1599
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: spots that fine. People will be coming and going here

1600
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: and there's something there, but they're gonna move the deer.

1601
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: They'll run dose by you, they'll run the small bucks

1602
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 1: by you. Just get used to it, be happy with it.

1603
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: Shoot one of them when you can. Don't get anal

1604
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: about it. Um. Like a trophy hunter does you know

1605
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: when that stuff gets all messed up for him, he's

1606
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: just he's ready to go cork off and tear the guys.

1607
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been out there set and have guy

1608
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: put a tree stand up forty yards from me. You

1609
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm like. But the way I mean, no,

1610
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: just take the traditional advice there on public land, like

1611
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 1: for instance, in October. One of the very best ways

1612
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: I used to kill deer, and I'm we're when we're

1613
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 1: talking about just killing deer, you know, of any kind, shaped,

1614
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: size or sex. Um. October can be really good for

1615
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,799
Speaker 1: that because um it's cooling down a little. The masked crop,

1616
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: the acorn crop is usually falling. So what I would

1617
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: do is I would go to the public land and

1618
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 1: if it's any kind of traditional Midwestern stuff, it's usually

1619
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: got acorn producing trees, and or another big one is

1620
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: per simmons. Um, if you're in habitat has per simmons

1621
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: and or acorns that are falling in October, go and

1622
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: start your scouting. Spread down with bug crap. Get get

1623
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: out there, find out where there is some good acorns

1624
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 1: hitting the ground or per simmon thickets that are starting

1625
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: to drop, and set up on them. And you know

1626
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: that time of year in early October, I don't know,

1627
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you're gonna get overrun with people.

1628
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: Then it seems like the madhouse begins around the last

1629
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: week of October when everybody from out of state comes

1630
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: and the population of hunters quadruples, you know what I mean.

1631
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: And uh so get out there early and just hunt

1632
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: some food sources if you can scout, like if it's

1633
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: a public lanned area that they do the share cropping

1634
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 1: in the farming in get out there in glass in

1635
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 1: September and spout some spots where the hung deer are

1636
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: coming out into some bean fields, or you know, something

1637
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: like that. But master trees have been good to me.

1638
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,879
Speaker 1: In October, I can walk through a lot of country

1639
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: and look at a lot of oaks, and there will

1640
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: be certain ones that everything's just right. And when the acorns,

1641
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: usually the white oaks, are hitting the ground in October,

1642
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: them deer will concentrate on that hard core. And all

1643
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: you gotta do immediately if you see an acorn crop

1644
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,799
Speaker 1: hitting the ground with a lot of you know, tracks

1645
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: around it and droppings and stuff, and maybe a few

1646
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: of them little early season rubs, just back off down

1647
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: wind or where you want that set a tree stand

1648
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: real quick and get out of there, you know, and

1649
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: slip back in there, usually for an evening hunt's been

1650
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 1: the best to me. Um, get in there early early

1651
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: evening and get set up and let them come in

1652
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 1: there to feed in the evening and and fill your

1653
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: tag and have some fun. Yeah. Great, great advice. I

1654
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of newer hunters who get into

1655
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: this and by default have to hunt public land. But

1656
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: when they go out there seeking out public land information,

1657
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 1: it's it's mostly a bunch of people like you and

1658
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: me who are obsessed with big deer and stuff, and

1659
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: then this new hunter is thinking, oh my gosh, this

1660
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: sounds like a death march, and they're doing this and

1661
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: this and this and this and this, and I think

1662
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: I think you're I think your example is perfect and

1663
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 1: it's a great reminder that if you're just trying to

1664
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: kill a deer, the opportunities are out there and you

1665
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: don't need to kill yourself to do it. Just a

1666
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: few things have got to go right to get that dough. Yeah,

1667
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: it's just spend so long since I thought outside the

1668
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: big antler box that I just kind of you know,

1669
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 1: I remember in my early days I have public planned

1670
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: a lot and I killed you know, plenty of dear

1671
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: early season, and you know, I actually get better in

1672
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: October and I did November then, Um, but yeah, I mean,

1673
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: get out there, have fun and do your thing and

1674
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: then lay the November to the nuts like us, you know.

1675
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: So so I know that because of some of like

1676
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: the just the NonStop bumping into people and all that,

1677
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: I think part of that was what led you to

1678
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: eventually wanted by your own play, right, And from what

1679
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: I understand, you correct me, if I'm wrong, but I

1680
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: think you're entering your third year with that property, is

1681
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah, this will be my third fall on it.

1682
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, getting old is a learning experience,

1683
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: and I think I went from you know, early age

1684
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:23,879
Speaker 1: to about fifty five. It seems like before I realized

1685
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: that you finally do get old. I made a lot

1686
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: of good years through my forties and fifties, hardcore, still

1687
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: just going and not feeling any let up. But in

1688
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: the past about five to eight years, you know, age

1689
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: is catching up with me. And I'm going through such

1690
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: a time, a metamorphosis of change and and mental and

1691
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: physical and emotional that I don't hardly know myself anymore.

1692
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: And you were correct in the fact that part, definitely,

1693
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:57,440
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I invested my life savings

1694
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: in a piece of ground was to kind get away

1695
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: from the maddening crowd of the public lands. Though I

1696
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: also because of that that's been my mantra is the

1697
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: public land. It's really almost prostitutional to go to what

1698
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 1: I'm doing, because you're turning your back on your roots,

1699
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: You're turning your back on everything that really feathered your

1700
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: nest and made you feel like a man. And taught

1701
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: you everything, because there's nothing any harder than consistently killing

1702
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: big bucks off public land with a bow. I mean,

1703
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: that's right up there, high at the top of the

1704
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: challenge pile. And now, but what I found that recently

1705
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: was more than the fact that I wanted to get

1706
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: away from public land. That was a little bit of it.

1707
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: But the main thing I have found out is that

1708
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: with age, my priorities have changed. They I mean, it's

1709
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: been like pulling teeth because I've been siding down a

1710
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: slippery slope, clawing all the way to stay at where

1711
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: I've been, and I haven't got it done. I've just

1712
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: slowly slid down the slope. And now I'm a new creation.

1713
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: And basically what I want now, what I want now

1714
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: out of my bow hunting time doesn't really have much

1715
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: to do with those big trophy bucks anymore. It doesn't

1716
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,759
Speaker 1: have to well, it doesn't have to do with having

1717
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: to prove my macho is m too to everybody by

1718
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: killing them off public plan. I mean, you've got to admit,

1719
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: through the most of your life there is some and

1720
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: this is a taboo subject with guys. We don't like

1721
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: to talk about our egos and we don't like to

1722
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: admit we got them, but we do. We love to

1723
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: accomplish something. It's the challenge. It's put in the mail,

1724
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, in the mail being he wants to be

1725
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 1: a good you know, and so. But when you get older,

1726
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: you you just that fades away. I have gotten to

1727
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: where I could literally care less about what anybody else

1728
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 1: knows that I do, thinks I do what I do.

1729
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,799
Speaker 1: I am out there now. The reason I got this land,

1730
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: I call it my old man place. It's the place

1731
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,839
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna just take my time and enjoy. I

1732
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: I get so much fun I'd have going and pulling

1733
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: trail camera cards and looking at the deer and just

1734
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: watching them, um throughout the year, watching their whole year,

1735
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: how they you know, everything changes. Um Now I don't

1736
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: have to work. I used to work, you know, solid

1737
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: straight nine months, six seven days a week, to get

1738
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: off in the fall and hunt. You know, now I don't.

1739
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: I get to watch them all year. I watch him

1740
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 1: shed graantlers, I watched him start growing new ones. I

1741
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: see them come and go. I'm learning so much about

1742
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: deer right now that I didn't know outside of the

1743
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: three months I used to spend on them, you know.

1744
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: And uh, I just have a ball out on that property.

1745
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: It's so peaceful. I'm out in the middle of nowhere

1746
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 1: that of course that fits me. You know, I don't

1747
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: want to be around. I can't hear a car all

1748
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: day long. I don't see or hear a human thing

1749
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: all day long out on that place. And uh, it's

1750
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: peace and quiet and uh and oinman, I guess that's

1751
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: what you you mature into. I think after forty years

1752
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: is that pad money go and pile and a pile

1753
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 1: of antlers up that would fit in a dump truck.

1754
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 1: I'm ready just to just take it. I haven't even shot.

1755
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm not shot a much a good big buck off

1756
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: my place the first two years hunt it it. I

1757
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: just I didn't shoot one. So let me ask you

1758
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: this then, eddie back to like kind of some scenarios here.

1759
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: I know that you've you've hunted two years there now.

1760
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: I also understand that you've started doing some habitat work

1761
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: and some of that kind of stuff too. If you

1762
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: could rewind the clock back to the offseason or like

1763
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 1: just before your first season hunting this place for the

1764
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: first time, you could rewind the clock then and change

1765
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 1: one thing that could either be change one of the

1766
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: habitat projects you did, or change hunting strategy you end

1767
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 1: up trying, or change a stand location or anything that

1768
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: you can go back two years and change one thing.

1769
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: What would that be and why? Well, boor that's a

1770
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: good one. I almost pulled a blank or not with

1771
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: I've made some mistakes, nothing big. I'm learning as I go.

1772
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 1: I paint my numbers. I haven't took a bunch of

1773
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: courses or had any big shots come in and teach

1774
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: me habitat management. I'm one of these old cusses that

1775
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 1: wants to do everything on his own, make his own

1776
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 1: mistakes and learn. And i haven't done everything right. But

1777
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: I've got enough common sense. I'm probably pretty good biologists,

1778
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. After my life outdoors, I

1779
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: could qualify as a biologist, except I can't spell with

1780
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 1: scientific names. But anyway, I wouldn't change a lot of

1781
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: anything that I've done. I had cattle in the place

1782
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: the first year, and that's probably the biggest thing I

1783
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: would change. I am turning my place into it just

1784
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: basically it's gonna be a hole in the ground that's

1785
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a wildlife mecca. I'm gonna let it go natural.

1786
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,799
Speaker 1: It's had cattle on it since the beginning of time,

1787
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: and it's been burned off. All acres got burned off

1788
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 1: slick off every year for for as long back as

1789
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: you can see. I stopped the cattle this year. I

1790
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 1: stopped the burning this year. I'm gonna, you know, do

1791
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: selective burning in the future. But you know, I wouldn't

1792
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: change a lot in the habitat except let it go

1793
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,719
Speaker 1: natural a year quicker because not having the cattle in there,

1794
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 1: it's making a big difference in my prairie. My grasslands

1795
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 1: are growing up and the prairie itself to bloosh them.

1796
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,879
Speaker 1: It's already about four ft tall this year, when everybody

1797
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 1: around me is at two ft because the cows keep

1798
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: it eight. And it's gonna make a lot of difference

1799
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 1: in the number of deer I have. They're gonna bed

1800
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: in my prairie now. And I don't care if I

1801
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: kill a deer on that place for the rest of

1802
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,799
Speaker 1: my life. I almost don't want to kill one, because

1803
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna walk up to it and look

1804
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 1: at it and go, why ow, there's another dead deer.

1805
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: Um If it's a hundred and typical. I'm still not

1806
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,759
Speaker 1: going to be thrilled about killing it. Um. I've gotten

1807
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: where I'm more into the providing him with the place,

1808
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: and I get a whiz off of looking at him

1809
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 1: on the camera. But I am not going to get

1810
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,799
Speaker 1: a whiz out of killing him. Does that make sense?

1811
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: I I mean it sounds a little bit crazy, but

1812
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 1: also crazy in like the way I may I understand it,

1813
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: You know what I mean that I can see where

1814
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: you're at, and I can also I too in a

1815
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 1: different scale, But I too have gotten to know local

1816
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: deer and and it is it's almost sad when you

1817
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: do walk up on a deer that you watched for

1818
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 1: three years and you're never gonna get to chase him again. No,

1819
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,879
Speaker 1: he's gone for good. And I know that's fine. We're

1820
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: hunting a renewable resource and I get it. UM. I

1821
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: don't plan on probably ever not killing UM. I eat

1822
01:37:55,800 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: it and I utilize it. But I also have gotten

1823
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: so far from I was a fetish on antlers. I

1824
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:07,679
Speaker 1: mean I would walk naked backwards across the United States

1825
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 1: to kill hundred forty inch deer at one point, and

1826
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, that's insane. I worshiped it to

1827
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,919
Speaker 1: the point it was an idol to me. I literally

1828
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: sacrificed my existence for it. And uh, I guess I've

1829
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: kind of come full circle now and I'm ready to

1830
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 1: give something back. I want to let him have a

1831
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 1: quiet place to live, good food, good habitat, watch him

1832
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: come and go, watch him do their lifestyle. And then

1833
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I've got a buck on there

1834
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: finally this year. Finally, that's a pretty pretty exceptional animal, uh,

1835
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: for the area. Sure, And I've been thinking about it.

1836
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do if that thing comes walking

1837
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: right by me here in the fall? Am I going

1838
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: to kill that? And here's the deal. He's a world

1839
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: class genetic, dear, He's a probably a four and a

1840
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: half year old's what he appears to probably be. And

1841
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:02,440
Speaker 1: given two more years, this buck will probably would probably

1842
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: eclipse two hundred inches. And I don't care about that.

1843
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: But what I do care about is having a deer

1844
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: like that on my property. It gives me an extreme

1845
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 1: sense of satisfaction to know that I'm providing him with

1846
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 1: the place to live in security. And of course he

1847
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: ain't totally secure because he don't just stay on me

1848
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,719
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, he he may get killed

1849
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: by one of my neighbors, you know what I mean.

1850
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: But if I had my brothers, I wouldn't even pull

1851
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 1: a string on that, dear. I'd let him go two

1852
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 1: more years, just so I could say, one day before

1853
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: I croaked, I had a two inch plus deer on

1854
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: my property one time, you know, And then I'd be happy.

1855
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: You could put me in my pine box. That would

1856
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 1: be pretty cool. That would be pretty cool. Now, okay,

1857
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 1: put him on my wall. I really don't. I mean

1858
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I used to would have. I would have

1859
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 1: done anything to have that dear. Well, I've spent forty

1860
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: years and I've not killed a two deer. And now

1861
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 1: though I can say with all honesty and I do

1862
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 1: not expect you to understand it, I don't expect anybody

1863
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: under about sixty to understand it. But there's somebody out

1864
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 1: there gonna be listening to this that's gonna understand this.

1865
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 1: It finally becomes not about the killing, but more about

1866
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: the doing. I do. I do get that. Let's let's

1867
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: imagine then. Let's imagine you've got a friend of yours

1868
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: who you have decided to let hunt your home farm

1869
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know if that's something that you

1870
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: plan to do or have done, but let's just imagine

1871
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: I've actually finally started thinking about that, because I mean,

1872
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. Most of my white

1873
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: kill honey life, I've been a pretty selfish guy. I

1874
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: just tended to my own needs, and didn't you know,

1875
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't a real sharing person. I just I mean,

1876
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 1: you know how that works. You can't share everything or

1877
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna have nothing. Does that make sense? I

1878
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 1: mean I kind of did my own thing and kept

1879
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 1: it quiet. And when I first got this place, I

1880
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 1: was still a little bit in that rut, and I've

1881
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 1: slowly gotten out of it. I wasn't going to consider

1882
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 1: letting somebody come in there and kill one of my

1883
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 1: big one of Did you hear what I just said?

1884
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: One of there? Okay, so there's a problem right off

1885
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: the bat. But anyway, nowadays, yeah, I'm I'm actually I've

1886
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: actually woke up in the middle of the night with

1887
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 1: it on my mind and realized what I was thinking

1888
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 1: about and just have shaped my head going, Wow, you

1889
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 1: mean you'd bring somebody in there and let them kill

1890
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: one of them big bucks? And you you just not

1891
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: even care that you'd be happy for him, and you

1892
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 1: know that. I guess that's my new evolution process to

1893
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: get to where that's the new challenge to quit being selfish.

1894
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 1: I guess right, that makes sense. Yeah, it does easy,

1895
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: easier said than done. I know from first for my

1896
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:57,799
Speaker 1: own spirit. I mean, if I was in my thirties

1897
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: or forties, it never entered my mind. It would have

1898
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: just been me me, may you know? And that's it. Well,

1899
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: let's play this out a little bit. Let's say you

1900
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: decide you're gonna invite a buddy out there to hunt

1901
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:26,719
Speaker 1: your home farm, and we'll say that a buck catches

1902
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: your buddy's eye, not not your future, but another really

1903
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: really nice one. And he says, man, Eddie, if you're

1904
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: okay with it, I would love to take a crack

1905
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 1: at this deer and really try to figure him out.

1906
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: And you say, yeah, absolutely, Tony, go go go chase him.

1907
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: And uh he comes to you though, he says, hey, man,

1908
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: I've never really targeted a big, mature buck like this before.

1909
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 1: I've never really been trying to figure him out. And

1910
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 1: he says, I know that trail cameras are all the

1911
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: rage how would you recommend how would you go about

1912
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 1: teaching your buddy or showing your buddy how you would

1913
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 1: use trail cameras on your home farm to pattern a

1914
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: buck like this, Like what would your take be on

1915
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: figuring out that deer in a place like what you

1916
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 1: have there? Well, you know what I'm about to say

1917
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: may not go along with the mainstream very well, And

1918
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: I get it. I do get it. I do know

1919
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 1: how some of these guys take this big buck killing

1920
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 1: to an art. I've talked to him and and really

1921
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,839
Speaker 1: figured out, like, for instance, they've got some ground that's

1922
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 1: got these big bucks on them, and they trail camera

1923
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: all year, usually cellular wise, so that monitor these dear

1924
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 1: year round. It's home. I'm not gonna lie to you,

1925
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't. I don't have a lot

1926
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 1: of friends and honey industry, and I don't really care

1927
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: because I don't. I'm not real politically correct. I just

1928
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: say the way I believe it. I don't care if

1929
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I step on some toes. But the way they do

1930
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 1: some of this stuff anymore, to me, it's just killing,

1931
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: it's harvesting. There is very little hunting to it. To me.

1932
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: In my book, um, they monitor this buck all year,

1933
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 1: they know everything that's going on with them. They get

1934
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 1: a set up and they will not go in there

1935
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: and hunt almost till the day they plan on killing

1936
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: that deer. And there is often not always, but in

1937
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,719
Speaker 1: some states, especially Kansas, they're baiting, involved in different things.

1938
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,879
Speaker 1: But they will get this down to such a given

1939
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 1: that I've had one guy from Iowa has killed so

1940
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: many big ones I don't even But anyway, he said

1941
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: he usually only has to hunt to maximum of three

1942
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: hunts in a year, and he will kill his target

1943
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: buck every year. And I'm like, that don't even sound

1944
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 1: interesting to me. That that's just I don't know what

1945
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: would be exciting about that. I I I go hunting

1946
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 1: because I want to hunt all the time. I want

1947
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 1: to hunt all I can hunt, and I want to

1948
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 1: goof up and not do things right, and I just

1949
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: want the whole rounded experience. I couldn't give less of

1950
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: a hoot. I had one fall in my whole life

1951
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: that I had to work. I've never worked from September

1952
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 1: through the end of December in my adult life except

1953
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: one fall. Now that's quite a statement because how many

1954
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 1: people would like to live that lifestyle. Right. But but

1955
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: in that one fall, I only got to get out

1956
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 1: and hunt three days. I was working seven days a week,

1957
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: and I begged from Peter to pay Paul and took

1958
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 1: off work a few days. And I killed two really

1959
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: good bucks in three days a hunting that year, and

1960
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 1: felt like I had done nothing. I was a nervous,

1961
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 1: dang wreck because I didn't get to go hunting but

1962
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: three days a week. I was almost sick all year,

1963
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it wasn't about that

1964
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:38,879
Speaker 1: I'd killed two good bucks that year in three sets.

1965
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 1: I saw right then and there that with me, it

1966
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,599
Speaker 1: was more about the bowl hunting than it was about

1967
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:49,640
Speaker 1: the killing, you know. And uh and so nowadays, you know,

1968
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, these guys get this down to such an art.

1969
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 1: So if I had a guy that was coming to

1970
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 1: my place won't know how to kill on those bucks,

1971
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 1: what would I tell them? I would tell him, don't

1972
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 1: do none of this baiting, don't do none of this patterning,

1973
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: don't do don't I don't even use trail cameras ever

1974
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 1: in relation to my hunting. Does that make sense? Yeah?

1975
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 1: But to fare what's out there, that's it. I just

1976
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: like to see the deer. And the only thing a

1977
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: trail camera will do for me that even profits me,

1978
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 1: I think, is if there's a particular, really exceptional specimen,

1979
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 1: it'll tell me that he's around, so that I can

1980
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,680
Speaker 1: then decide if that matters hood or not. I'm going

1981
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 1: to hold out for that, dear. But I don't use

1982
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 1: cameras to pattern nothing. I just use it to observe deer.

1983
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 1: And what I do is I still hunt away. I

1984
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: always did, even back. You know, I know this may

1985
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: sound weird, but half of my hunting life was spent

1986
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 1: pre trail camera. Does that make sense? I mean girl cameras,

1987
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 1: the first trail cameras I remember coming in that I've

1988
01:46:56,600 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: even saw. If I'm not mistaken, I'm going to say

1989
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 1: around two thousands. Uh. I mean, I don't think I

1990
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 1: ever owned the trail camera to weigh into the two

1991
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 1: thousand's um, so I I had already cut all of

1992
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 1: my hunting teeth before any ability to use trail cameras

1993
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: to help you hunt. And no Google Earth, no uh,

1994
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:27,640
Speaker 1: no real aerial photography. I mean I I come from

1995
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 1: the generation of where you just went out there and

1996
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: you figured out how to deer hunt on your own.

1997
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: And uh, that's what I tell them. Nowadays, I'm not

1998
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna get I don't know how to

1999
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: tell them to use trail cameras. I don't know how

2000
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,640
Speaker 1: to tell them to use Google Earth on a on

2001
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 1: a big buck. I mean, I just go, like I

2002
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 1: said earlier, find those pinch points, set on them during

2003
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,639
Speaker 1: the rut. And it's probably the dumbest way to try it,

2004
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 1: but I will tell you this, if you put the

2005
01:47:57,320 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 1: time in and have the patients and are in it,

2006
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 1: you're in one of these pass through spots. If there

2007
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: is a big buck within a mile or two of

2008
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 1: you somewhere at some point, he'll walk right straight through

2009
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:13,280
Speaker 1: that during November. And you just gotta be willing to

2010
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: figure out if you're willing to put in the time

2011
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: and the sacrifice to set there. Because I set in

2012
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: some off the wall places that probably ain't never had

2013
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 1: a bow hunter set in them. I'm talking to some

2014
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: ignorant looking places that our way out in the middle

2015
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 1: of nowhere, in these fence lines now and these little

2016
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 1: finger draws out in the prairie that no human in

2017
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: the right mind usually I can't even like to find

2018
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 1: a tree to get in that makes sense, you know,

2019
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 1: and go out there and said all day, and I'll

2020
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 1: set there ten twelve hours sometimes and not see a

2021
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: single deer sometimes. But I've learned if I sat there

2022
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 1: a week during the right time in November, if somewhere

2023
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: within him one mile radius to me is a big

2024
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 1: buck excuse me, big buck, there is a very very

2025
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,879
Speaker 1: very good chance that's going to walk through. This hilarious

2026
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,599
Speaker 1: because you know, I've got a good ability to see

2027
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 1: these these uh I call them passed through spots, big

2028
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 1: buck travel corridors. Does something make sense? Uh? And and

2029
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 1: and then things they don't Always they're not where the

2030
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 1: normal there are those big mature deer don't hang out.

2031
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 1: We're all the normal dear are hanging out and they

2032
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: don't walk through the same spots until they get out

2033
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 1: of their mind once they start breeding and mid the

2034
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 1: late November, then you might catch us a big one

2035
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: doing something normal. But before that you better be h

2036
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 1: out on the fringe of normal. Um. Well, of course

2037
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking more like a blue collar d I y

2038
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 1: guy that'shunting public planned again, I'm not talking like these

2039
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:52,640
Speaker 1: guys like um for instance, Um, you know some of

2040
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 1: these guys that have have got these big spreads in Iowa.

2041
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 1: The people that are on TV. I mean, they custom

2042
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 1: grow those deer and know everything about them, and they

2043
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,680
Speaker 1: go kill him, you know what I'm saying. But a

2044
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:06,680
Speaker 1: guy like me, a guy like you that's doing it

2045
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 1: the old fair chase on our own with with with nothing,

2046
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: no silver spoons. You just got to get out there,

2047
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 1: put a lot of time in. And you know, if

2048
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:20,840
Speaker 1: a guy come to my property, I'd say, listen, here's

2049
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 1: what you do. You get out there and you figure

2050
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 1: out how to kill that here. I I don't even

2051
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 1: want to try to tell you because I don't know

2052
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 1: how to kill it. Get out there and do it

2053
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 1: on your own. You'll be much more satisfied. And um,

2054
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't care how they do it. I wouldn't put

2055
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 1: any stipulations on a guy because I mean, I wouldn't

2056
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 1: let them come in there and start dumping a big

2057
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 1: old pilot corn out and setting over it. You know

2058
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. Uh, that's a little bit. That's a

2059
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 1: little bit over the line for me. And see I

2060
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 1: hunt up there in Kansas for baiting. It's a it's

2061
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:54,559
Speaker 1: a prevalent thing. I've often made the statement the Kansas

2062
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 1: owners wouldn't know how to kill a deer if they

2063
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 1: took their cornerways on them, which I know that really

2064
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:01,679
Speaker 1: right there is gonna red really get me in find standing.

2065
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 1: But anyway, anyway, um hey, corn don't sure nothing, but

2066
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:16,640
Speaker 1: it's sure can um it can do some things that

2067
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: I call it the golden corowl. You know that, the

2068
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:23,600
Speaker 1: golden nuggets. Um. Then pour bucks, Oh my god, I mean,

2069
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: all you gotta do dump a bag of corn out

2070
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: October and put a camera on it. You know, you

2071
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 1: know every buck that you got within a half mile

2072
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 1: in every direction within a day. You know, I don't

2073
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,640
Speaker 1: know how they find it and how they prone in

2074
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:37,719
Speaker 1: on it, but uh I went to end them places

2075
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,479
Speaker 1: in Kansas dump a bag of corn out and put

2076
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 1: a camera on it, and within two days have pictures

2077
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 1: of every mature deer almost virtually within quite a distance.

2078
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:50,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And I mean it's everybody's

2079
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 1: always trying to make the process easier, I guess, And uh,

2080
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, when you

2081
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 1: get my age, you finally figure out it ain't about easiness.

2082
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 1: It's more about satisfaction of doing it on your own

2083
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 1: and either winning or losing. Yeah, So let me ask

2084
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: you about one of these examples you just shared, and

2085
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,560
Speaker 1: it ties into one of the scenarios I wanted to

2086
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 1: throw at you. Um you mentioned you'd like to sit

2087
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 1: these pass through areas. It's kind of off the beaten

2088
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 1: path pass through spots. So let's imagine you're sitting in

2089
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 1: one of those. It's November, hunting the rut. You're sitting

2090
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 1: in one of these great rut spots, these these pinch

2091
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:29,600
Speaker 1: points that you like that should be a good quality

2092
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 1: rut travel corridor. The problem is you've hunted all week

2093
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 1: and nothing's coming through. You've not had one good buck

2094
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 1: come through. My question for you is how long will

2095
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: you stick it out in one of those spots before

2096
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: eventually saying, well it just it's just isn't the spot?

2097
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 1: Or do you ever find a spot like that and say,

2098
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 1: come hell or high water. If I sit here seven days,

2099
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: he will eventually come through. I have that much confidence.

2100
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 1: What's your approach and how do you know when you

2101
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:00,880
Speaker 1: finally have to pull up stakes or not? Well? I

2102
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 1: think the best way to answer that would be what

2103
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: I know about the area in general and how much

2104
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 1: experience I have in it. If it's a fairly new place.

2105
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down with the ship on

2106
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:12,599
Speaker 1: a spot like that. If it's if it's not getting

2107
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,759
Speaker 1: a job done. If I go by feel, I've often

2108
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 1: said this, I hunt by feel feel. I don't even

2109
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 1: know how to explain what feel is other than that

2110
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 1: we small voice in your head. But like I said,

2111
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:28,679
Speaker 1: a place like that and things ain't feeling right, things

2112
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,640
Speaker 1: ain't happening. If it's a fairly new place and I

2113
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 1: don't know what you know is going on around, I

2114
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 1: will I will abandon it. I would say about three days.

2115
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 1: It's about what I'm going to give a spot like

2116
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 1: that if I if I'm not getting anything going on now.

2117
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 1: On the other hand, if it's a time proven place

2118
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 1: and or I know the habitat around it and the

2119
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 1: deer that's living in that habitat, and I know there's

2120
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: some big ones around, and maybe I have some previous

2121
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: knowledge of this place, Ben you know what, I think

2122
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: it is a pass through, then I'm going to set there.

2123
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna wait because if I know there's some

2124
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 1: big ones around, you know, on both sides of me somewhere,

2125
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 1: and um, this is where that they're gonna walk At

2126
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,720
Speaker 1: some point, I'll give it up to I'll give it

2127
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:15,080
Speaker 1: till I I lose my mind. What you have, I've

2128
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 1: actually lost my mind and just run naked brains. But

2129
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean once in a while, once in a while

2130
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 1: I've got burned, not a lot. And it just depends

2131
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 1: on how large your deer you're hunting too, because I

2132
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 1: mean I've often led hundred forty to fifty bucks walk

2133
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 1: in those places, and you know, I don't know whether

2134
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: that's good or bad, but um, I have rarely, if

2135
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 1: ever set those places in November that I couldn't kill

2136
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: a good solid, you know, trophy buck of some size.

2137
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 1: I I've been greedy and not take you know, hundred

2138
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 1: and deer because I was wanting a bigger one and

2139
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 1: thinking one bigger one would show up. And then there's

2140
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: been times on the flip side where I've broke down.

2141
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 1: Finally I've sat there long enough, I'd just be getting

2142
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 1: sick of the whole thing, about to go crazy, and

2143
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: here comes a hundred and fifty deer, and I know

2144
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: that there's a bigger one around. I know there is,

2145
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:14,240
Speaker 1: and I just would go ahead and harvest the thing,

2146
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 1: and um call it good and and sometimes actually for

2147
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 1: a season be wondering, you know, did I make the

2148
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 1: right decision? But there ain't no pad answer to none

2149
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,760
Speaker 1: of this stuff. It's everybody's an individual and they've got

2150
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 1: to do what they're comfortable with. And uh, I've been

2151
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 1: through the ringer on every scenario possible of learning what

2152
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 1: what you can, can't, should shouldn't do, and uh, I'm

2153
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 1: kind of I'm kind of past it. Finally. Now I'm

2154
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 1: out into the clear where I don't put that kind

2155
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:49,839
Speaker 1: of pressure on myself. I don't have to make myself

2156
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 1: answer those questions anymore. I go out, I said, as

2157
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:57,440
Speaker 1: long as I want, I see what I see, I'm happy.

2158
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much it. I go back to the

2159
01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 1: camp and talk to the wife. From pet to dog,

2160
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good place to be. Well. Let

2161
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:11,240
Speaker 1: me let me throw another November situation at you, and

2162
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 1: this is this is another thing that I've frequently been

2163
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 1: confronted with and bounced back and forth on. So let

2164
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,280
Speaker 1: me let me paint this picture. Let's say again, it's

2165
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: November and you're kind of looking for a great spot.

2166
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:26,600
Speaker 1: Like we just described, you're kind of working through a

2167
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 1: new area and you end up coming across just a

2168
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 1: dynamite rut spot. Let's say it's it's kind of a

2169
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 1: pinch point that is also downwind of some betting habitat.

2170
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 1: So you've got those two things that seemed great. The

2171
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 1: problem is that there is no great tree that's just

2172
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 1: perfectly in range of where those trails converge, where that

2173
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 1: pinch point converges beneath the betting year. So there's there's

2174
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 1: two options. You get here ready. There is one tree

2175
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:58,240
Speaker 1: that is twenty yards from this pinch point and from

2176
01:56:58,280 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 1: the convergence of trails, but it's a pencil thin bean

2177
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 1: poultry you're gonna stand out in it. And there is

2178
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 1: one other, you know, relatively well trod down trail on

2179
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 1: the downwind of that tree as well, So there's also

2180
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: this risk that you might get winded by some deer

2181
01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: as well. Or there's there's a second tree and it

2182
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,720
Speaker 1: seems perfect as in, it's it's big, it's gnarly, it's

2183
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 1: like a branchy oak tree of some kind. So you

2184
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 1: can climb up in there and disappear, and there's there's

2185
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 1: nothing there's nothing downwind of it at all, because it's

2186
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 1: right in the edge of a Let's say it's down

2187
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,680
Speaker 1: wind or sorry, just on the edge of a pond.

2188
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 1: Let's say, so there's nothing that's gonna get beneath you.

2189
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 1: The problem is that one is gonna put you forty

2190
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 1: one yards from the trail convergence. So do you take

2191
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 1: the lousy tree with some stuff downwind of it still

2192
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 1: but you'll have a perfect twenty yard shot if they

2193
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 1: come through in that spot. Or do you take the

2194
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:59,440
Speaker 1: farther away tree but it's super safe from win perspective

2195
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 1: and you'll will be very nicely hidden. Which tree would

2196
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:06,960
Speaker 1: you pick? I have hunted both those trees numerous times,

2197
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 1: so I can relate to this. I had a spot

2198
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: in Illinois one time that presented me with the first scenario,

2199
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,680
Speaker 1: the little spendy tree right where you wanted it right.

2200
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 1: I tried it a few times. I got nailed twice,

2201
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 1: and I was at the point of I knew I

2202
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 1: had to quit it or something. And I actually bought

2203
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 1: a top and bottom of gray sweatsuit, went got some

2204
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 1: rich dye, put black lines to it, made my own

2205
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:41,560
Speaker 1: self the homemade set of tree lined camel. I was

2206
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:44,120
Speaker 1: the color of the sky, except had the dark limbs

2207
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 1: through me you know, so I could get up in

2208
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 1: that and try to not stand out, in other words,

2209
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 1: and I will be dog gone. The very first time

2210
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 1: I got in it like that, a hundred sixty in

2211
01:58:56,720 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 1: deer come through there did not see me, which the

2212
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 1: two previous sets I'd had big bucks come in. I'd

2213
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 1: set the thing three times. The first two times I

2214
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 1: had big bucks come in and nail me in the

2215
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 1: tree and run off. All of the bucks were different bucks, um,

2216
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 1: so I guess I educted. I don't know if I

2217
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 1: educated the first too too bad, or if I was

2218
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 1: just lucky that the third one that hadn't been there

2219
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:21,880
Speaker 1: come through the third time, but he didn't see me

2220
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 1: and I killed him. Then I had another spot that

2221
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: had that same scenario. Did not think I wanted to

2222
01:59:27,320 --> 01:59:30,040
Speaker 1: go that route, so I got back off to the side,

2223
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 1: off away from the action. Because I could get in

2224
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:36,400
Speaker 1: that tree without figuring I was bumping deer getting there,

2225
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:39,040
Speaker 1: I could get out without bumping deer going out. I

2226
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 1: had a good safe wind. I felt comfortable over there,

2227
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 1: but I was not right where I needed or wanted

2228
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 1: to be, and I ended up in the long run

2229
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 1: killing more deer. Out of that scenario, and setting it

2230
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:54,800
Speaker 1: way more often and feeling way more comfortable setting there

2231
01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:58,040
Speaker 1: because I called a number of deer over to me,

2232
01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:01,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean with grunt calling stuff. And

2233
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: uh so I usually would opt for the UM does

2234
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 1: the better um. In other words, are you going for

2235
02:00:11,240 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 1: a one shot deal? If you're going for a one

2236
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:16,040
Speaker 1: shot deal, planter or end in that little scrawny tree,

2237
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:18,560
Speaker 1: set there all day, run through fourm off and hopefully

2238
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:22,000
Speaker 1: get one shot. Right. Um. If you want to continue

2239
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 1: to hunt that spot repetitively, get in the safe tree

2240
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:28,680
Speaker 1: and you can. You can hunt it repetitively and not

2241
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:30,840
Speaker 1: run all your deer off. Probably not what. They're not

2242
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:33,320
Speaker 1: gonna wind you. They're not gonna see you, you know.

2243
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:36,280
Speaker 1: And so I guess it's what your goal is that day.

2244
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:38,480
Speaker 1: If you want to go in there and go for broke,

2245
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 1: get in there and a little spinley tree, stand up.

2246
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,240
Speaker 1: I'd stand up and I'd be real calm and not

2247
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 1: be moving all day long. You maybe have my bow

2248
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:50,160
Speaker 1: in my hand, you know what I mean? And uh

2249
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:53,240
Speaker 1: and to where it's a one shot deal, because you're

2250
02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 1: gonna do some damage. You're gonna have some come down

2251
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:58,360
Speaker 1: wind w that day and snort and run off. You

2252
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:01,360
Speaker 1: may have a buck shooting there on you before you

2253
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:03,480
Speaker 1: can get ready, and you may not. But I mean,

2254
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:05,840
Speaker 1: if you're going for a one shot deal, get right

2255
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:08,600
Speaker 1: in the middle of them and go for broke. If

2256
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:11,480
Speaker 1: if you want to hunt there, repetitively take that other

2257
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:14,120
Speaker 1: tree all day long and come back and hunt it

2258
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:18,840
Speaker 1: numerous base under right conditions. Don't educate your deer. And

2259
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:21,640
Speaker 1: if a buck comes through there, that's prowling real hard

2260
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:24,640
Speaker 1: in the rut, nine chances out of tendue. Hit him

2261
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:27,160
Speaker 1: with a grunt and he'll he's lively, especially maybe if

2262
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:29,280
Speaker 1: you stick a decoy out behind you you know, or

2263
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:33,040
Speaker 1: something you know, and uh, maybe he'll come right over

2264
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:35,800
Speaker 1: to you and let you kill him. So I think

2265
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:38,200
Speaker 1: that's just a matter of your I've hunted both those

2266
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:41,920
Speaker 1: scenarios and the one that seemed to be best for

2267
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 1: me was staying out of the middle of the hub,

2268
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:48,440
Speaker 1: staying off to the side of the hub and hunting

2269
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 1: longer and seeing more dear and if a few get

2270
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:55,120
Speaker 1: through there that I know it eats you alive. To

2271
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:56,840
Speaker 1: have a good buck come through there, you don't get

2272
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 1: your bow shot at him, but hey, you're better to

2273
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:02,160
Speaker 1: do that than to have one run right in there,

2274
02:02:02,240 --> 02:02:04,480
Speaker 1: look at you in the tree, or come down wind

2275
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 1: of you on the one trail and smell you're right,

2276
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, And so um, I think everybody, everybody should

2277
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:14,920
Speaker 1: just do what they feel they want to do that day.

2278
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:17,520
Speaker 1: If it's a one shot hunt, jump in the middle

2279
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 1: of and go to swinging and uh, if you're wanting

2280
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:23,360
Speaker 1: to hunt that spot a lot in the rut, you

2281
02:02:23,480 --> 02:02:25,560
Speaker 1: better get off to the side, make sure you're entry

2282
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:28,480
Speaker 1: and exit safe and your wind safe, and you're covered

2283
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:32,240
Speaker 1: up to where they help see you. Yeah. Yeah, I've learned.

2284
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:34,800
Speaker 1: I've been in the same scenario and been burned a

2285
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:37,720
Speaker 1: few times too. But but sometimes it also pays off

2286
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:40,000
Speaker 1: you just you just never know. So so here's one

2287
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:43,320
Speaker 1: last here's one last quick scenario for you, Eddie. Let's

2288
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,720
Speaker 1: let's play out this last example a little bit further.

2289
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 1: Let's say you you pick one of those trees. Let's

2290
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,880
Speaker 1: say you you went for broke with the closer one.

2291
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 1: Let's hypothetically say, and you're sitting there and you're on

2292
02:02:57,320 --> 02:03:01,720
Speaker 1: public land, and that too, d buck that you have

2293
02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:04,080
Speaker 1: not been able to get before in all your years

2294
02:03:04,160 --> 02:03:06,880
Speaker 1: hunting public land and chasing these big deer. That two

2295
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:11,320
Speaker 1: duck is coming in. He's walking right down this trail.

2296
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:13,400
Speaker 1: He's gonna cross in front of at that pinch point.

2297
02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:18,400
Speaker 1: Tell me, Eddie, what do you do in this situation

2298
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:22,000
Speaker 1: in the next thirty seconds or sixty seconds as he approaches.

2299
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:26,120
Speaker 1: What are you doing to ready yourself, to calm yourself.

2300
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 1: What are you saying inside your head to get yourself

2301
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:35,040
Speaker 1: mentally prepared for this once in a lifetime opportunity. The

2302
02:03:35,640 --> 02:03:40,160
Speaker 1: first thing when you said that is the absolute biggest

2303
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:45,120
Speaker 1: thing is I'm never taking my eyes off that deer. Period.

2304
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:50,600
Speaker 1: I've got to be subconsciously prepared to pull this maneuver off.

2305
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:53,240
Speaker 1: Whatever that is. Get up out of the seat, get

2306
02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:55,240
Speaker 1: the boat, get the I gotta be able to do

2307
02:03:55,400 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 1: that subconsciously, So you better be pretty well trying. But

2308
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 1: I am never taking my eyes off that deer. I

2309
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 1: am not moving when I'm not looking at him in

2310
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:08,200
Speaker 1: the eye. I'm gonna be watching him like a hawk

2311
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:10,840
Speaker 1: to see what I can get away with and what

2312
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:14,440
Speaker 1: I cannot get away with. Do not be trying to

2313
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:18,320
Speaker 1: do something on automatic pilot, because I mean, if he's

2314
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:21,920
Speaker 1: walking towards you, you know he's You've got to just

2315
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:24,800
Speaker 1: get away with what you can in the next thirty seconds.

2316
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:27,120
Speaker 1: You've got to pray to God that you're going to

2317
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:30,000
Speaker 1: be able to get yourself up and get your bow

2318
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 1: drawn without him seeing that. And the only way you're

2319
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:35,840
Speaker 1: gonna hope to pull out off his watch his eyes,

2320
02:04:35,960 --> 02:04:38,800
Speaker 1: watch his head, if he turns his head, or if

2321
02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:41,240
Speaker 1: he stops her second and looks back over his shoulder.

2322
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:45,440
Speaker 1: You better be getting something done. Do not be doing

2323
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:47,800
Speaker 1: it when you're You know you're gonna have that little

2324
02:04:47,800 --> 02:04:50,600
Speaker 1: guy in your head saying, oh my god, this thing

2325
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:53,720
Speaker 1: is looking You know, he's looking right towards me as

2326
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:56,879
Speaker 1: he's coming. And you know, I've actually had to literally,

2327
02:04:57,000 --> 02:05:01,320
Speaker 1: I've actually had to let him walk past me before

2328
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:04,120
Speaker 1: I ever even started moving. I've got caught with my

2329
02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:08,240
Speaker 1: pants down and watched them come in, knowing that if

2330
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:11,000
Speaker 1: I tried to get up, I'm gonna blow this. And

2331
02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:13,200
Speaker 1: I've had to let him walk under me at five

2332
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:18,040
Speaker 1: yards and start to walk away before I ever started

2333
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,160
Speaker 1: even getting up out of my seat. Now, you hope

2334
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:22,400
Speaker 1: to not be in that position. You'd like to thank

2335
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:25,160
Speaker 1: you if you could have just already been standing when

2336
02:05:25,200 --> 02:05:27,160
Speaker 1: he started coming in your way ahead of the game,

2337
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But but I'm just gonna

2338
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 1: watch that deer like a hawk to see what I

2339
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:36,040
Speaker 1: can do and what I can't. And I'm just, if necessary,

2340
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do a thing until he walks

2341
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:42,480
Speaker 1: past me and starts to go away when I can't

2342
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:44,760
Speaker 1: see that big old google eye looking back at me

2343
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:48,680
Speaker 1: from the side, you know. And I've had to kill

2344
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,320
Speaker 1: a few out at thirty yards as they were leaving,

2345
02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:55,520
Speaker 1: and I've got burned a time or two and let

2346
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:58,240
Speaker 1: him walk by me. But I just go with at

2347
02:05:58,280 --> 02:06:00,840
Speaker 1: the moment what I think to be good hudsmanship. And

2348
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:03,680
Speaker 1: if I do not think, I've also tried to push

2349
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:06,520
Speaker 1: my luck, of course, and Adam see me and stop

2350
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:09,120
Speaker 1: slam to stop and stare at me in the tree

2351
02:06:09,160 --> 02:06:12,040
Speaker 1: because they caught me moving a little bit. So just

2352
02:06:12,280 --> 02:06:17,080
Speaker 1: watch them and learn x exercise great woodsmanship in that

2353
02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:21,480
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, make good decisions. And if you're on automatic pilot,

2354
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:24,680
Speaker 1: which is called buck fever, if you're going through motions,

2355
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,840
Speaker 1: it never works out. I did that for years. I

2356
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:30,880
Speaker 1: just would try to do something and not really and

2357
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:34,400
Speaker 1: realize that I wasn't even thinking about and it doesn't

2358
02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:36,840
Speaker 1: work out well. You gotta keep your head and have

2359
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 1: a rational thought process of what you can do and

2360
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:44,080
Speaker 1: what you can't do. Don't get excited about that buck

2361
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:49,600
Speaker 1: until you shoot it, because actually, until you've killed that deer,

2362
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:54,400
Speaker 1: you haven't done nothing but be a glorified nature observer. Um,

2363
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 1: there's nothing to get excited about setting a tree and

2364
02:06:57,680 --> 02:07:02,480
Speaker 1: watching deer, right, So don't just be a watcher. Don't

2365
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:05,080
Speaker 1: get excited until you shoot it and kill it. Then

2366
02:07:05,160 --> 02:07:06,960
Speaker 1: you can leap out the tree and jump up down

2367
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:11,440
Speaker 1: and scream. You know. Um. Buck fever is a debilitating thing.

2368
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:16,840
Speaker 1: My wife suffers from it NonStop and never makes any

2369
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:19,840
Speaker 1: good decisions. When deer show up, she goes brain dead

2370
02:07:20,640 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 1: and literally it's able to throw her bow out the

2371
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:25,720
Speaker 1: tree at the thing or something. And I did it

2372
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:28,080
Speaker 1: for many years in my early career, but I finally

2373
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:30,640
Speaker 1: got a grip on it and said, you know, if

2374
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't stop getting buck fever, and if I don't

2375
02:07:34,280 --> 02:07:37,480
Speaker 1: start making good decisions, I'm never going to get good

2376
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:42,040
Speaker 1: at this. And finally I just something happened in my

2377
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:44,880
Speaker 1: head and I said, Okay, I'm not going to be

2378
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:48,120
Speaker 1: a glorified nature observer today. I'm gonna be a dear killer,

2379
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:50,960
Speaker 1: you know. And so I don't know if I'd answered

2380
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:54,480
Speaker 1: the question very well or not, but anyway, it did.

2381
02:07:54,680 --> 02:07:58,120
Speaker 1: It did if you could know this is one of

2382
02:07:58,120 --> 02:08:01,800
Speaker 1: those easier seven done things. But if you had to

2383
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:05,800
Speaker 1: give someone who's dealing with that same buck fever issue

2384
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:07,400
Speaker 1: that your wife has, if you had to give them

2385
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,280
Speaker 1: one like a single line of advice for how to

2386
02:08:10,360 --> 02:08:13,600
Speaker 1: actually snap out of that, Like I understand that you

2387
02:08:13,720 --> 02:08:15,120
Speaker 1: have to snap out of it, but like, how do

2388
02:08:15,320 --> 02:08:18,440
Speaker 1: you reclaim control mentally? If you could give him like

2389
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:22,320
Speaker 1: a one line, two line like do this, what would

2390
02:08:22,360 --> 02:08:27,760
Speaker 1: that one simple idea be. Well, what I always tried

2391
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,160
Speaker 1: to tell someone, if they've getting buck fever that bad

2392
02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:33,400
Speaker 1: all the time on bucks, they need to start quit

2393
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:35,320
Speaker 1: hunting them for a while to start killing deer. Go

2394
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:37,920
Speaker 1: out and start shooting a bunch of deer. Learn to

2395
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:40,720
Speaker 1: take your goo out and kill deer. Start shooting though,

2396
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 1: start shooting as manny go just kill deer. Once you

2397
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 1: get subconsciously trained to kill those deer, I think. Now,

2398
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:51,640
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, the antlers. If you're an antler fanatic,

2399
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:55,880
Speaker 1: antlers will always skyrocket you, you know, out of your skin.

2400
02:08:56,440 --> 02:08:58,760
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're if you get once. I

2401
02:08:58,920 --> 02:09:01,320
Speaker 1: finally got to kill a deer with my bows early

2402
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:03,600
Speaker 1: on and got to where I was killing meat deer

2403
02:09:03,680 --> 02:09:06,440
Speaker 1: and quite a few deer. It become a lot easier

2404
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:08,960
Speaker 1: for me to stay under control because I knew then

2405
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,800
Speaker 1: and there that I had it within my ability to

2406
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:14,640
Speaker 1: kill this deer and the fact that it had huge

2407
02:09:14,680 --> 02:09:17,280
Speaker 1: antlers or something would freak me out. It would, I

2408
02:09:17,320 --> 02:09:19,760
Speaker 1: would freak out, and I mean, I ain't gonna lie

2409
02:09:19,760 --> 02:09:21,520
Speaker 1: to you. I've had a couple of times, even as

2410
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:26,720
Speaker 1: a old man, that I pulled. I don't know. I

2411
02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:29,400
Speaker 1: I can have a relapse of buck fever. I had

2412
02:09:29,480 --> 02:09:31,600
Speaker 1: one in Kansas a few years back with the biggest

2413
02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:34,360
Speaker 1: buck I've ever had in bow range in my life,

2414
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:36,840
Speaker 1: and it caused me to not get the deer. I

2415
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:42,160
Speaker 1: lost a one killed on the largest sandlers white tail

2416
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:44,920
Speaker 1: I've ever had in bow range because buck fever come

2417
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:48,000
Speaker 1: that day. I hadn't had it, and I don't even

2418
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:51,560
Speaker 1: know ten or fifteen, twenty years, but because of that

2419
02:09:52,280 --> 02:09:55,400
Speaker 1: it got me. So I don't really feel like there's

2420
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:58,600
Speaker 1: anything you can do about it. It's gonna happen. My

2421
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 1: wife's had it for twenty straight years. I've done every

2422
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:04,400
Speaker 1: human thing I know to try to get her past it,

2423
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 1: and I've not been able to get her past it.

2424
02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 1: And so I can't give a guy advice other than

2425
02:10:11,080 --> 02:10:13,120
Speaker 1: kill a bunch of deer with your bows. That ought

2426
02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:16,000
Speaker 1: to help. And then when the antlers show up, like

2427
02:10:16,160 --> 02:10:19,440
Speaker 1: when you turn and you see this giant rack coming

2428
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:22,000
Speaker 1: at you, you've just got to turn your head and

2429
02:10:22,040 --> 02:10:25,839
Speaker 1: take a deep breath and go Okay, now that freaked

2430
02:10:25,880 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 1: me out, that did, But I can do this, and

2431
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to look at them antlers again. I'm

2432
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:34,360
Speaker 1: gonna ease my head background and watch that deer come in,

2433
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:37,120
Speaker 1: and I'm going to pretend I'm I. I have a

2434
02:10:37,240 --> 02:10:40,200
Speaker 1: really good ability to once I see one that I

2435
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:43,120
Speaker 1: want to kill, I blankets antlers out. I don't know

2436
02:10:43,200 --> 02:10:45,840
Speaker 1: if that's normal, if anybody else can do that or not,

2437
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:49,040
Speaker 1: but I literally can have a two inch deer walk

2438
02:10:49,120 --> 02:10:52,240
Speaker 1: in on me, and once I turned that initial turn

2439
02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:54,360
Speaker 1: and see him, if he's big and I know he's

2440
02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:56,560
Speaker 1: a shooter, I won't be able to tell you whether

2441
02:10:56,640 --> 02:10:58,880
Speaker 1: he's a hundred and fifty inches or two hundred and

2442
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 1: twenty inches. I I don't even realize they have antlers

2443
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:04,640
Speaker 1: on him, one side to side. I'm gonna shoot them,

2444
02:11:05,120 --> 02:11:08,280
Speaker 1: and uh so, just you know, if you get freaked

2445
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:11,480
Speaker 1: with buck fever, just kind of close your eyes a

2446
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:14,080
Speaker 1: second and take a deep breath and go, Okay, it

2447
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:17,360
Speaker 1: ain't about these antlers. I can kill this dear. I've

2448
02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:20,440
Speaker 1: been killing a lot of deer. This is a dear. Now.

2449
02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:22,680
Speaker 1: Just ease back around there and watch him come on

2450
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 1: in and do what you gotta do. And don't don't

2451
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:28,360
Speaker 1: look at his antlers again. If you can, just look

2452
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:32,840
Speaker 1: watch his watch his face, watch his eyes. I get

2453
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:36,240
Speaker 1: fixated on their eyes. If I can see their eyeballs,

2454
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:39,080
Speaker 1: that's all I ever watch. I watched their eyes, and

2455
02:11:39,160 --> 02:11:41,440
Speaker 1: that's where I get my readings of what and when

2456
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:44,920
Speaker 1: to do things, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,

2457
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:47,720
Speaker 1: those those eyes can definitely tell a lot of the story.

2458
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:53,640
Speaker 1: Oh well, and I have got I have got to

2459
02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:58,400
Speaker 1: wrap this up. And the way we wrap this up,

2460
02:11:59,120 --> 02:12:02,280
Speaker 1: and and I've thoroughly enjoyed this, the way we wrap

2461
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:04,920
Speaker 1: these up is with a quick, rapid fire set of questions.

2462
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you six really quick questions here, one

2463
02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:10,400
Speaker 1: after the other, and I'm just looking for a one

2464
02:12:10,440 --> 02:12:13,120
Speaker 1: word answer. Yes, or no that kind of thing, and

2465
02:12:13,200 --> 02:12:15,560
Speaker 1: then we'll we'll send you on your way and off

2466
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:18,880
Speaker 1: to deer hunting season. That sounds like it's going to

2467
02:12:18,920 --> 02:12:22,160
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. So ready for the last

2468
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:26,160
Speaker 1: few here? Yeah, go ahead, all right, Eddie. Does the

2469
02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:33,440
Speaker 1: moon matter to deer movement? Yes? Or no? Yes? Would

2470
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:36,200
Speaker 1: you take a fifty yard shot at a white tail

2471
02:12:36,280 --> 02:12:43,200
Speaker 1: with your bow? Yes or no? Yes? If you could

2472
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:45,640
Speaker 1: only have one of these tools for the rest of

2473
02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:48,680
Speaker 1: your year's deer hunt, would you pick rattling antlers or

2474
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:59,760
Speaker 1: grunt tube? Two expandable or fixed blade broadheads? Exploit? Should

2475
02:12:59,800 --> 02:13:03,480
Speaker 1: you stop a walking buck with a sound before shooting?

2476
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:10,560
Speaker 1: Yes or no? No? Which state has better deer hunters?

2477
02:13:10,920 --> 02:13:15,800
Speaker 1: Kansas or Oklahoma? Did you say deer hunters or deer

2478
02:13:16,200 --> 02:13:21,839
Speaker 1: deer hunters? Which state has better deer hunters? Kansas or Oklahoma?

2479
02:13:23,200 --> 02:13:30,040
Speaker 1: Um boy, I'll go with my home state. I'm just

2480
02:13:30,120 --> 02:13:32,160
Speaker 1: trying to I'm trying to get you in trouble here, ready,

2481
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:37,480
Speaker 1: And that's and that's all I got for you. You.

2482
02:13:38,040 --> 02:13:40,520
Speaker 1: You've survived the gauntlet and given us a lot of

2483
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,920
Speaker 1: really interesting, interesting stories and in ways to think about

2484
02:13:43,960 --> 02:13:46,520
Speaker 1: this stuff. And I particularly have enjoyed getting to hear

2485
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:50,880
Speaker 1: about your your evolution and growth in these in these

2486
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:54,520
Speaker 1: later years of hunting. So thank you for sharing that. Well,

2487
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:57,240
Speaker 1: thank you. It's my privilege and God bless you. And

2488
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:01,240
Speaker 1: I've talked to you down the line. Sounds great and

2489
02:14:01,560 --> 02:14:04,320
Speaker 1: that is a rap. For those of you who stuck

2490
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:08,880
Speaker 1: through all two hours. Thank you appreciate that perseverance. I

2491
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:11,280
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this one. I hope you laughed. I

2492
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:14,440
Speaker 1: hope you learn something, and I hope that you are

2493
02:14:14,520 --> 02:14:16,880
Speaker 1: as fired up as I am right now. I've been

2494
02:14:16,920 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 1: out there getting after stuff. I just got back to Michigan,

2495
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:21,440
Speaker 1: but I've already been hanging trail cameras. I've already been

2496
02:14:21,480 --> 02:14:23,760
Speaker 1: working on food plots, trim and lanes and prep and

2497
02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:27,200
Speaker 1: tree stands. It's time to get after it. Although I

2498
02:14:27,240 --> 02:14:30,720
Speaker 1: do have to say I forgot how miserable it is

2499
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:34,720
Speaker 1: to do that kind of white tail work in humidity.

2500
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:38,280
Speaker 1: Holy ship, the humidity here in Michigan is awful. That

2501
02:14:38,440 --> 02:14:40,640
Speaker 1: is one nice thing about spending time out West is

2502
02:14:40,640 --> 02:14:44,120
Speaker 1: as nice and dry and cool. I just about died yesterday.

2503
02:14:44,440 --> 02:14:47,360
Speaker 1: I was soaked from head to toe. I literally came

2504
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:49,160
Speaker 1: in the house. My wife made me take off my

2505
02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:51,720
Speaker 1: clothes and pants because I've got like burrs and poison

2506
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:54,080
Speaker 1: ivy and stuff on me, and even my boxes were

2507
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:56,840
Speaker 1: silking wet. She didn't understand how that's possible, but I said,

2508
02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:00,360
Speaker 1: do you get out there hanging tree stands or trimming

2509
02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:03,800
Speaker 1: lanes in August in the Midwest, you will get it.

2510
02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:06,920
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you what, there's a lot more to do.

2511
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:10,680
Speaker 1: So my wife better used to uh soaking wet boxes.

2512
02:15:10,720 --> 02:15:12,160
Speaker 1: But I don't know where this is going. This is

2513
02:15:12,240 --> 02:15:14,440
Speaker 1: quite the tangent to wrap it up. Let's just end

2514
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:17,880
Speaker 1: this sucker now. Thanks for being here, and until next time,

2515
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:20,880
Speaker 1: stay wired. Don