1 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Why are people fascinated by famous people salads? I'm just curious, 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: like our famous people salads more interesting than non famous 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: people's salads. Did like when you go to acting schools, 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: they're like a salad course. I'm just confused, Like, we know, 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: we want you to get channel your inside voice. And 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: also Tuesday we're gonna do channel your inside salad class. 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Like Jennifer Aniston's famous salad. Oh wow, you know, like 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: Jennifer and and and if it's amazing, if it's an 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: amazing salad, maybe I guess like the salad should be 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: the star. The salads the star. With Jennifer Aniston, she 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: ordered a salad from a place. Why is she she's 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: the one getting all the credit? The salad should get 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: the credit. I don't understand. And like someone there was 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: the whole thing with Haley Bieber's toast, wasn't it just 15 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: like mozzarella cheese and some stuff on the toast? Like 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: it was this innovative, crazy thing. Because they're famous people, 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: their food is famous. Julia Roberts salad, it's a famous 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: salad for some reason. I think I saw it somewhere. 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: So like now you you started, you started, pretty woman, 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: you played a prostitute very well. You worked in a 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: pizza place, Pimistic pizza, your first, you know, real big 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: acting gig. So that means you're an expert on salads. 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 1: I mean you took a whole area one Academy award. 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Leave the salads to somebody else. Like people's food is famous, now, 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm so food is I've been talking about this for 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: a long time. I'm taking full credit. I did say 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: I want to meet Kal's publicists. Food is food or celebrities? 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Food food items are celebrities or yeah, yeah, but like 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: it's a couple of people's famous. Oh, Kylie Jenner's famous salad, 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: they have a lot of fame in that family. Give 31 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: the salad to somebody else. Give it to someone of 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: my assistants. Jennifer Eison has more than enough followers and 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: more than enough fame. Give the fucking famous salad to 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: somebody else. Okay, same thing, Haley Bieber's toast. She's gorgeous, 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: she's married to Justin Bieber, she's rich, she's beautiful, she 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: looks good and everything she fucking wears, her salad and 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: her toe Give the fame to somebody else. Kylie Jenner. 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: Come on, we do not need Kylie Jenner salad to 39 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: be famous. Other people's salads can be famous. Leave some 40 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: root as one of the TikTok things is pick somebody else. 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: Pick somebody else. Not addressing this crowd right now, other 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: people salade you mean more famous than celebrities. I just 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: I want to. I'm gonna get a petition and I'm 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: gonna add it to the b strong effort. It's ridiculous. 45 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: Today's guest is Deepox Chopra, an Indian born American author 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: who specializes in health and medicine. He has brought great 47 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: awareness to the power of meditation and alternative medicine and 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: has written over ninety books. He is the founder of 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: the Chopra Foundation, a nonprofit organization that focuses on bringing 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: knowledge of wellness and spirituality to disadvantage individuals, and Chopra Global, 51 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: a modern healthcare company that prioritizes mental and physical health. 52 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: Deepak Chopra continues to spread awareness of alternative medicine, health 53 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: and wellness throughout the world. He has published infinite works 54 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: on this and various social avenues, such as his meditation 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: app and new podcast Join Us as Chopra discussed this 56 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: his journey in the world of health and as a 57 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: successful business figure. I hope you love this one. I'm 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: really excited. I've heard about you, I've thought about you. 59 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: I've been aware of you for a long time. Um, 60 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: and you definitely seem like in modern culture in this country, 61 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: you are ahead of your time. Right now, everybody's talking 62 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: about meditation and different forms of yoga and uh, plant 63 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: based diets and I raveda. So I'm wondering, UM, if 64 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: you feel like you were ahead of your time. Maybe 65 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: I was. Some people say that I was. It's not 66 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: really important. The important thing is I've stuck to my truth, 67 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: or my version of the truth. It took me a 68 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: while to be independent of the good and bad opinions 69 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: of the world, and that was freeing. So yes, today 70 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: there's a lot of validation for what I was saying 71 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: forty years ago. But at this moment, what I'm saying 72 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: beyond veda and beyond mindfulness and beyond plant based auts 73 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: and beyond everything you said is about the nature of reality. 74 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: And so I'm back in the same place where I 75 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: was for the years. People are rolling up their eyes 76 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: and so there he goes again. Is he crazy or 77 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: what so well, I think that I think it's a 78 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: little scary that people don't understand stand there are many 79 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: different ways to interpret different things, and people can debate 80 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: nuances in different aspects of things. But I think it's 81 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: scary that people don't understand that there are many ways 82 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: to heal ourselves and to be healthy that don't include medicine. 83 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: So that's one thing that because my assistant was reading 84 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: literature about you and said, wow, there's a lot of controversy, 85 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: and in my mind, I haven't. I've known of you 86 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: for years, but I haven't thought of you as controversial 87 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: because I went to school for food and healing. I 88 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: was a natural food chef before it was cool, you know. 89 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: And um, what someone chooses to do if they're sick 90 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: is their own business and their own choice. But to 91 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: not sort of incorporate many different ideas of how to 92 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: be healthy and heal it seems totally ignorant. So, um, 93 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit just about that. 94 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, my perspective is stress is very damaging and 95 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: no matter how much makeup and put on my face 96 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: going having a good night's if I never look or 97 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: feel better when you're drinking water you're feel I mean, 98 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: just basic obvious things that have nothing to do with medicine. 99 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about just overall health and 100 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: the misconceptions going on in this country about them that 101 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: there's a black and white opinion about medicine and alternative medicine, 102 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: Like if you believe in alternative medicine, you just don't 103 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 1: believe in medicine. And I think there's so much gray, 104 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: and I wanted you to kind of clarify that. So 105 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: I just want to start by a very simple blanket statement. 106 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: The only thing that matters is does it work or 107 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: does it not work? Period? And then after that you 108 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: decide whether what label to give it um, but does 109 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: it work? Number one and number two? That's all that matters. Now, 110 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: having said that, let me explain where we are today 111 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: in the year two thousand and what of you in 112 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: two thousand two? Okay? So what a science is the 113 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: latest model of how we think about how things work? 114 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: So now where are we with today's scientific model? We 115 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: are that nine of disease related gene mutations are actually 116 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: not fully penetrant. And I want to explain that to you. 117 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: Everyone knows what a mutation is this because of COVID 118 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: nineteen every few months or now we have the delta variant. 119 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: Now we have this. What they're talking about is genetic variants, 120 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: or you might even say mistakes. From the human point 121 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: of view, not from the point of view of nature necessarily, 122 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: but from the human point of view, a mutation is 123 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: a bad thing. It causes illness, a genetic mutation, and 124 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: it predicts illness. Now, what we've learned in the last 125 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: two decades is that of the mutations, the mistakes that 126 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: are made in genes are actually not fully penetrant, which 127 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: means they don't predict the disease. Let me give you 128 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: a specific example. There's a genetic variant called the Baraka gene. 129 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: If somebody has the Baraka gene, then that predicts that 130 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: they're going to get breast cancer. Angelina Jolie is the 131 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: poster child for that. She had the Baraka gene, so 132 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: she had a preventive mess sect to me, in order 133 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: to prevent that, and it was, given our current state 134 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: of knowledge, that's the right thing to do, because she 135 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: would definitely get breast cancer if she didn't get the 136 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: preventive mast sect. To me, it sounds horrible but even 137 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: for that. Now, in a few years we'll have something 138 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: called gene editing, Crisper, etcetera, where you'll be able to 139 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: cut and place the gene just the way you cut 140 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: and placed emails. So you'll be able to delete the 141 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: defective gene and then insert the right gene. We said, wow, 142 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: that's a miracle. It is. But on the other hand, 143 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: it will affect only five percent of people with breast 144 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: cancer or with any other illness. Only five percent of 145 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: people will be affected by these amazing new technologies. The 146 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: remaining of people who have a defective gene, it doesn't 147 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: predict cancer. It just says they're predisposed to cancer, and 148 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: you can prevent it, and you might even be able 149 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: to reverse the disease. And for that, there's a new science. 150 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: It's called epigenetics. And what is the new science of epigenetics? 151 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: It says that everything everything that you call an experience, 152 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: including thoughts, emotions, feelings, personal relationships, social interactions, environment, but 153 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: even more, some very important pillars of well being like sleep, meditation, mind, 154 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: body coordination, diet and regulation, and of biological rudents and 155 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: emotions and spirituality actually changed. The tragic tragictory of a disease, 156 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: so that you can prevent it, you can possibly reverse it. 157 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: That's where we are right. Well, you said a couple 158 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: of things. You said, if it's working. So there's a 159 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: couple of things I want to respond to. You said, 160 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: the current state of science, and that's how we make 161 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: our decisions because that's all that we have. And is 162 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: it working. So in the moments when they came the 163 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: sacklers came out with oxy cotton, it was working. It 164 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: was making people's pain go and they weren't aware of 165 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: the fact that that the half the country was going 166 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: to be addicted and then there was going to be 167 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: a drug epidemic. And in the moment, the Atkins diet 168 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: was working because people were losing weight by eating bacon 169 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: and cheese. And then now it's keto and now it's 170 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: intermittent fasting. And so what I guess I'm trying to 171 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: ask of you is how we boil this down to basics, 172 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: because if we know the it's constantly going to be 173 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: a new thing, new science, new studies, and you could 174 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: find any study to back up anything in one moment, 175 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: and then people read that and think that's MS, which 176 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: is you know, truth in Yiddish. So what I'm saying 177 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: is for me, I think that you can rely on 178 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: brightly colored, antioxidant rich foods, on sleep, on alternative medicine, 179 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: not solely if you have cancer. You're not only going 180 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: to drink wheat dress, wheat grass juice and and and 181 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: try to heal your body through fasting, but to somehow 182 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: marry these principles, to somehow talk about meditation as being 183 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: something that relaxes your nervous system and calms you down. 184 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: It makes you more present. And I'm trying to say, 185 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,239 Speaker 1: how can people who are getting so much cluttered information 186 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: boil this all down and be consistent in the sense 187 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: that there were women using nivia cream fifty years ago, 188 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: they still use it today. It's always worked. There are 189 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: people who have been getting eight hours sleep fifty years ago. 190 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: There's still doing it now. It's still working without all 191 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: the bullshit in between. Because there's so much bullshit that 192 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: no one knows what to hang on to. That's what 193 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's why they go to the doctor and 194 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: when the doctor says take oxy cotton because you're in pain, 195 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: they say, yes. It's so much bullshit to wander through. 196 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm trying to break down. Okay, So 197 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: good point. The two things on that point. One is 198 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: follow the money. If somebody is selling anything, then you 199 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: need to be wary, whether it's a ketoor diet with 200 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: a brand, okay or whatever. You need to be very 201 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: oxy coated. Um. You know, pharmaceutical companies send people representative 202 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: to doctors offices, they take them to junk kids in 203 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: the Caribbean, They sponsor medical education and advertisements in the 204 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: in scientific journals. But we've made money selling health. You've 205 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: made money, You've made money selling wellness, and I've made 206 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: money being a natural food chef. You know what what 207 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying is if something works and it is not 208 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: associated necessarily with a product or a brand, then you 209 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: should look into it and you should look at also 210 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: the basic science behind it. So for example, when we 211 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: talk let's talk about you know, you say, what did 212 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: you say, antioxidant rich foods? Right? Okay? So now if 213 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: antioxidant rich foods work, we want to know how do 214 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: they work? Okay? And they do work, and the way 215 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: they work is that they change the gene expression of 216 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: something called the microbiome, which is of the genetic information 217 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: in your body. Now we can see that. We can 218 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: see that not only in animal experiments, which are don't 219 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: believe in, but these days you can do computer simulations 220 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: of biochemical reactions and you can see this is how 221 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: antioxidants work. That makes it more convincing. You say, okay, 222 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: meditation makes me feel good, makes me feel relaxed, But 223 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: that's not enough. When you look at meditation and how 224 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: it works, you actually see that meditation changes the expression 225 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: of genes that are responsible for self regulation, healing, and 226 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: what we call homeostasis. So it's not just somebody feeling good, 227 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: which is good. I like the fact that they're feeling good. 228 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: Because they're feeling good makes it more valid and sometimes 229 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: that's enough. Actually, who cares if if you agree or 230 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: disagree with me. If this feels good to me, it 231 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: creates energy, joy, feeling good, it's probably working for me. 232 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: But if I see the science behind that, and the 233 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: science says this is how it works, it changes the 234 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: expression of genes. All those genes that cause self re 235 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: relation go up some seventeen four Glover baseline, all the 236 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: genes that called inflammation go down significantly. The level of 237 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: Genlomeers goes up glomerates an anti aging um ensign. So 238 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: now I have first I feel good, Second I know 239 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: how it works. That's the way science progresses. Can I 240 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: ask a question about meditation, So it became hugely popular 241 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, and myself included. And it's funny because 242 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: I've heard someone said to me a meditation I guess 243 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: teacher said that boredom is really anxiety. And so when 244 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: you're feeling bored, it's good to sort of look at 245 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: that and be aware of what you're feeling. Sort of 246 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: you're you're assigning you're not assigning something to it, but 247 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: you're just being asn't in acknowledging that your quote unquote board. 248 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: And um, I've been told that so many people think 249 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing it wrong, or say you're doing it wrong, 250 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: or that type of meditation is not real, or that's 251 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: a scam and to or if you don't have a mantra, 252 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: it's not quote unquote correct. And the one thing that 253 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: did resonate with me is someone saying, if you're having 254 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: busy thoughts in your mind when you're trying to meditate, 255 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: lean into them. If you run away from them, then 256 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: it will chase you. If you just sort of like say, okay, 257 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm having anxiety or thoughts about this thing, you sort 258 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: of relax into it. And that is part of meditation 259 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: that there's no right or wrong. You're not supposed to 260 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: be free of thought. That would be totally unrealistic. So 261 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: I think a little bit of dumbed down uh clarification 262 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: about meditation would make people feel calmerce. So here's the simplest. 263 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: First of all, what you heard is correct. Secondly, um, 264 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: you only tell me. Don't have thought is either when 265 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: you're dead or in a coma, or you're in deep sleep. Otherwise, 266 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: thought is normal experience. So what we say is there's 267 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: no right the wrong way to do meditation. You just 268 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: sit through the process. And if you're doing whatever you're doing, 269 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: watching your breath, practicing a mantra, observing sensations in your body, 270 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: using one of the mindfulness techniques, self reflecting. There are 271 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: many hundreds of kinds of meditations. Yeah, so all of 272 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: them work. That's number one. Number two, trying to get 273 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: rid of a thought is also a thought. So it's 274 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: just insane to do that. Okay, So if you sit 275 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: with it and you just we are aware of your experience. 276 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: Then actually, the release of thought is actually a very 277 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: good thing because I thought, especially anxious thoughts and boredom 278 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: is a sign of stress. And when you have the thought, 279 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: you're releasing it. Now, in Eastern Wisdom traditions, they say 280 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: you're getting rid of karma. But you don't have to 281 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: buy that. Release of stress is good enough, and so 282 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: thought is part of the meditation. Anything else you do 283 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: is part of the meditation. Now, once in a while, 284 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: there's something called transcendence where you disappear where there's no 285 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: thought and there's no money and there's nothing. Yeah, that's 286 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: when you get in touch. According to the Eastern Wisdom traditions, 287 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: that's when you get in touch with your soul. But 288 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: you don't even have to buy that, Okay, you just 289 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: what you heard is advice is perfect. You can be 290 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: stress when you meditate, and the more thoughts you have, 291 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: the more you need to do it, because that means 292 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: you have a lot of karma and a lot of 293 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: back background story is that you're holding onto right, So 294 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: people listening, don't worry if you have your shopping list, 295 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: don't worry if you keep obsessing, because I've had the 296 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: biggest release when I'm thinking about something so much and 297 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, your body just let's go. 298 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: It's like a not in your back. Most people don't 299 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: even know that they have thought not. At least you 300 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: are aware. Thank you. That's so true. You're being present, Okay. 301 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: So I started late in your life. It were very 302 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: present here and usually I talked about earlier. But I 303 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: just was excited to talk to you and just get 304 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: a sense of who you are and this whole crazy 305 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: conflict between Eastern and Western medicine. But I want to 306 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: hear about you and how you grew up and how 307 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: you were raised, and if health was a big part 308 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: of the conversation, if business and success was a part 309 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: of the conversation, just you coming into this your adult world, 310 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: and how you got on this path. So I grew up. 311 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: I grew up in India. My father was cardiologist who 312 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: was actually trained in England. In Great Britain. At one 313 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: time he was a consultant to the present Queen and 314 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: a consultant to the Royal Heart Hospital in England. My 315 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: mother came from a very traditional religious background. She never 316 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: had any college education, but she was very imaginative. She 317 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: was a great storyteller, and every night she would sing 318 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: to us and tell me. I had a little brother 319 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: who later became the Dean of Education at Harvard Medical School, 320 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 1: but he was three years younger to me. And my 321 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: earliest memories of my mother are sitting in her lap 322 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: and listening to her singing stories and then spiritual stories, 323 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: and saying, you know what I'm going to leave you 324 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: now with in the middle of the story, and I 325 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: want to dream up the end, ding, and it better 326 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: be a nice ending and a love story. So those 327 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: are my earliest memories of my mother and my father. 328 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: My father, meanwhile, was very Western, very trained, well trained, 329 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: really recognized. So this is immediately after the British had 330 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: left the country and there was still a lot of 331 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: glamor around Western education. So I went to an Irish 332 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Christian Brothers Catholic school. Now, in the school, we learned Catechism, 333 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: we learned about the Bible. But in our school, in 334 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: India particularly, there were kids from every religion, Muslims in 335 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: those what we call Parsy's, Zoroastrians, James, you name it, 336 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: and so we celebrated all the holidays. We thought religion 337 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: was a good thing. Because you've got a holiday and 338 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: you've got a vacation. Now, as when I went to 339 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: medical school, I was trained in a medical school in 340 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: India which was run by, amongst other people, Rockefeller Foundation, 341 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: et cetera. So it was totally Western education. Then I 342 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: graduated and I came to the United States, and I 343 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: got immediately sucked up into the Western model. And I 344 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: loved it. You know, working in the emergency room taking 345 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: care of people who were traumatized or had injury or 346 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: gunshot wounds, and you know, it was very exciting. It 347 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: was like being on e R every day on the 348 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: TV show. So I enjoyed it. I trained in endo chronology, 349 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: internal medicine, neuroscience. And when I trained, and this is 350 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: a long time ago, nineteen seventies, we were discovering chemicals 351 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: in the brain that we now call neuropeptides that you've 352 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: heard about, the sterotonine, oxy oxytocin and dope, dopamine and 353 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: opiates and many other things. And we work convinced those 354 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: of us who were students at that time that this 355 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: was the link, this was the link between what happens 356 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: in the mind, what happens in consciousness, what happens in 357 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: the body. So I started to write about it, and 358 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: I got severely criticized and vilified by the medical establishment. 359 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: I left Boston, Harvard, et cetera, went to California, thinking 360 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: there would be a more sympathetic environment. Same thing happened 361 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: in California. The medical doctors boycotted me. So then I 362 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: started my own center with a neurologious friend who unfortunately 363 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: as past on because he got radiation in his as 364 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: the child for tonsils. That was the fashion of the day. 365 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: And then when I looked at the literature, everybody who 366 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: got radiation for tonsils in the fifties in Chicago, all 367 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: of them died of brain cancer, or most of them. 368 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: So that you know, these way incidents in my life 369 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: that you were like a medical protester versus being a 370 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: political protester, like you had a belief, you found other 371 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: people and had commonalities with you, and you were fighting 372 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: through it. Does not sound like a very popular opinion. 373 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: Was not very popular, correct, so, but unfortunately the public 374 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: became very friendly to me despite the scientists and my background. People, 375 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, my education and all my colleagues were against me, 376 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: but the public favored what I said. But it took 377 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: thirty years, honestly for the science to say how this works, 378 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: how the mind body connection works, how the diet works, 379 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: how the leap works, how meditation works. So now we're 380 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: back full circle. I'm I have a professorship at u C. 381 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: S D. I have a professorship at n Y. You 382 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: have a professorship at you see, you know, University of 383 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: Central Florida. Validation and doing that. But I there came 384 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: a point where I did not need validation and the 385 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: success that you know, what you call you know, success 386 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: in terms of business money, it was a byproduct. I've 387 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: never even focused on it. I believe that the most 388 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: successful people feel the same. So I went to school 389 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: for food and healing, and I wanted to be a 390 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: natural food chef. I am no expert on this, but 391 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: it just speaks to me. It's something that I connect to. 392 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: I I understand if I see a live salad, it 393 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: seems better to me than something that's been cooked for 394 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: for an hour and a half that's a vegetable. It 395 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: just to me it makes some sense. It was alive. Um, 396 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: I don't feel the same way about a live animal. 397 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: But it's just my own personal thing. So I've heard 398 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: about people who are very sick who their bodies. They 399 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: want their bodies to heal themselves. This does not mean 400 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: if you have cancer you're not supposed to be on medication. 401 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm not making any big grand stands about anything. I'm 402 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: just saying when i feel tired, when i feel overloaded, 403 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: I've been drinking, I've been eating foods I don't love. 404 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: I just don't feel good. I'll fast, I'll do it, 405 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: or I'll juice, because I believe that your machine, it's 406 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: a machine. When you go to sleep after Thanksgiving dinner, 407 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: you pass out, not because a trip to fan, but 408 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: because your body has been eating fifty kinds of foods. 409 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: It's working. So I believe sometimes having nothing to do 410 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: with weight, your body needs to rest. So if you're 411 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: not doing which is a form of digestion, if your 412 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: body is not digesting food, that that's a way to heal. 413 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: This is not some extreme but that makes sense in 414 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: my mind. So, and I believe that when you go 415 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: to sleep versus chicken soup or any other thing which 416 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure is chicken, super is fine. That's sleeping your healing. 417 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: They call it like you're breaking the fast. In the morning, 418 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: your body is just resting. So that makes perfect logical 419 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: sense to me. So when I hear about people like 420 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: you who can be complicated because you're you know, you're 421 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: like a scientist, and it's not that easy for people 422 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: to understand. The basic principles can be that your body 423 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: can be healing itself in addition to whatever medicine you 424 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: must or have to take or vitamins. But I want 425 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: to kind of talk just about the body and it 426 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: has a healing tool for itself. So everything you saying, okay, 427 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: everything you say, But now how you explain it depends 428 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: on your background. Okay, so if you're an iradic doctor, 429 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: you'll give iredic explain nations for it. This is how 430 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: it works, Okay. It provides all the nutrients that are 431 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: called phyto chemicals that come from the energy of the 432 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: sun into your body, and they are the most intelligent chemicals. 433 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: They're called phyto nutrients. Fasting allows your body to rest 434 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: and repair itself, so does sleep. So that's a very 435 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: valid explanation that you gave. But if I'm a Western scientist, 436 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: then I also now have evidence that have I fast 437 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: if I take a diet diet that is not manufactured, refined, 438 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: processed as chemicals, or has a label, or comes from 439 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: a factory, or an animal that has been treated badly 440 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: with the hormones and chemicals and pesticides and all kinds 441 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: of things. That definitely now shows that that causes inflammation 442 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: of the genes in the microbiome, which is genetic information 443 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: in your body. So there's there's another explanation for how 444 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: that works. So it doesn't matter, you know, it depends 445 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: on your training. You're saying all roads lead to Rome. 446 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: You can get there with basic principles, because I do 447 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: think you hear the word macrobiotic, you hear the word 448 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: I are vedic, you hear the word organic. I mean 449 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: you hear different ingredients from US I E two, go 450 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: G to all. It's a lot of information. People have 451 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: to work people to raise their kids. So I try 452 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: to break things down. You and I could actually be 453 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: an interesting combination because you're very technical and you're very 454 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: um knowledgeable. Where I am doing sort of the dumb 455 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: down idiot guide to what we're talking about. But well, 456 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: most people will understand you. Most people will not understand that. 457 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You're backing up what I'm saying so 458 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: that's okay, great, if it works, it works, okay, great. So, 459 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: but I try to explain to people that the word cleanse, 460 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: the word detox, these are trigger words that people get 461 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: people anxiety because they want to be part of it, 462 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: they want to do it, And to them, cleanse might 463 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: mean inducing, which means not eating or fasting. And I 464 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: try to explain that um things, certain foods tax your 465 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: body more. Getting into pesticides and antibiotics and all that 466 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: is even obviously more serious, but just talking about animal 467 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: protein taxing your body more, caffeine spiking your insulin sugar. 468 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: So for people, they could do their own version of 469 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: cleansing and detoxing while eating, just trying to stick as 470 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: close to nature as possible, not processed and and sprayed 471 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: and with ingredients. You can actually pronounce that, you understand. 472 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to talk to you to back up 473 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: this kind of principle. Okay, so now you're if you're 474 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: talking to an ivatic person, they'll say the docks in 475 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: in the body is called arma. If you talk to 476 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: a Western scientist, they'll say the ducks and is inflammation. 477 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: If you talk to somebody else, they say the docks 478 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: and there's too many free radicals. Point is, there are 479 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: toxins in the body that build up as a result 480 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: of the following toxic relationships, toxic jobs, toxic environment, toxic food, 481 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: toxic emotions. They all end up with toxins in the body, 482 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: and it is very wise to detox from all these things, 483 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: whether it's a toxic relationship or toxic emotionship, or a 484 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: toxic boss, or a toxic environment, or a toxic food, 485 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: or any toxic habit, whether it cigarette smoking or alcohol 486 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: or too much caffeine. So ah, So you might say 487 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: that having being addicted to your phone, or being in 488 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: a negative relationship, or being in a bad business dynamic 489 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: that can be as toxic as hormone injected chicken hundred percent, 490 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: hundred percent. They all end up with toxicity in the body. Now, 491 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: how you frame that depends on your background, So that 492 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: we see, we've all frame it depending on the model 493 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: we like. So if you're an audi vedic person, you'll 494 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: you'll frame it in aurovetic terms. You frame it in 495 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: your own terms, which is unique, which is great. But 496 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: bottom line is, today we can find the right scientific 497 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: explanation for all the things that have worked for thousands 498 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: of years, not just you know in the last decade. 499 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: These principles have worked in traditional cultures, indigenous cultures for 500 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: thousands of years. And what about aging? What is causing 501 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: aging the most? Is its stress? Is it lack of sleep? 502 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: Is it lack of hydration? It's very interesting. Human aging 503 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: is different from the aging of animals, okay, animals of 504 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: predicted lifestyle. Now, if you look at human aging, then 505 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: in the last center three the average age was less 506 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: than fifty five years. The average age of an NFL 507 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: football player today is fifty eight years, even though they're 508 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: highly conditioned sports people. The average age has no idea 509 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: when we speak about average age regarding the possibilities of 510 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: how human aging is flexible. If you looked at the 511 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: Roman Empire, the average age was twenty eight years, and 512 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: yet in those times there were Plato and Socrates and 513 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: Parmenides who lived to a ripe polled age beyond eighties. 514 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: Even in our times you look at Picasso and George 515 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: were not sure and some of the greatest contributors to civilization. 516 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: They've been way in the eighties and nineties. My professor, 517 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: through with whom I trained, is today nineties, six years old, 518 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: and he's sharp and clear and comes once a year 519 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: to New York City to teach a sabbatical at n Y. 520 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: U argues with me about how the brain works. If 521 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: he finds a snake in his garden, he dissects it 522 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: looking for hormones and chemicals and these nine. Okay, I 523 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: know people over a hundred who are in perfectly good shape. 524 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: So human aging is flexible, and it's changing. Also, it's changing. 525 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: And most people say, oh, it's changing because we have genetics, 526 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: and we have antibiotics, and we have heart surgery and 527 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: we can treat cancer. You know why it's changing because 528 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: of better living conditions. People are not dying of heat stroke, 529 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: they're not doing of cold or frostbite. And also they're 530 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: more careful about nutrition and sleep. That's changing the demographic 531 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: of aging right now. If you ask me what's the 532 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: upper limit, I'll say, according to the science, it's about 533 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty, although there are people who have even 534 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: exceeded that. So human aging there's three components to it. 535 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: One this biological age, which means I check your blood 536 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: pressure and I look at all the markers in your body. 537 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, wrinkles, and hormones and bone density and everything 538 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: that scientists talk about. That's one age that's called biological age. 539 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: The second is chronological age the day you were born. 540 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: The third is emotional and psychological age, which is how 541 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: do you feel? And the fourth is spiritual age, which 542 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: is timeless. So I don't believe that aging is fixed 543 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: in humans. And I am today's seventy five years old. 544 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: My biological markers are less than anybody who's forty. I'm 545 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: hundred percent free of disease. I do yoga, I do meditation, 546 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm on a plant based diet, I sleep with I 547 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: don't stress. And my age, biological age, I would say, 548 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 1: is less than party, even though my chronological age is five. 549 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: So a couple of things. What you you don't you're 550 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: on a plant based diet, it's it's humane for humane 551 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: humane reasons, or combination humane. But what what's healthiest for you? 552 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: For me? A plant based diet with maximum diversity is 553 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: the healthiest start on the planet because it directly accesses 554 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: the energy of the sun, from where all life is born. 555 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: All life is born from the energy of the sun. 556 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: Photons get conversion to phytochemicals, which are the basis of 557 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: all life on this planet. But of course it's also 558 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: more humane. And you know, I don't like the idea 559 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: of killing a life being, even though plants are life being. Ultimately, 560 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: life is based on life, and you know, you create 561 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: life from life. But the most humane diet would be 562 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: a plant based okay. And what about alcohol? Do you 563 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: drink any alcohol? Now? Again, alcohol is a very cultural phenomenon. 564 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: So you know, if you tell somebody in Italy and 565 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: to stop drinking wine and have you know, and stop 566 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: eating whatever they eat, they will die of stress. So 567 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: alcohol is okay in moderate amounts. I don't drink alcohol, 568 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: and that is I'll be very honest with you. I 569 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: have an addictive personality, so I gave up alcohol about 570 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: forty years ago, and I don't drink it. But if 571 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: somebody has one or two glasses of wine, it's not 572 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: a big deal. I love what you said because there 573 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: was a man who actually came to teach me yoga, 574 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: and I was saying to him, so many people are 575 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: stopping drinking and they're not drinking, and it's you know, 576 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, there are days that all feel terrible. 577 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: If I've had had too much to drink or even 578 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: it hits you wrong. But then there are days when 579 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: I just want to have a glass of wine. And 580 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: he said to me, people are giving up too much joy. 581 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: Meaning he's not saying, go get blasted every night, but 582 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: he's saying, you're you're talking about a balance. You mean, 583 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: if you're a person who's living in Italy and it's 584 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: part of your life and your cultural to culture to 585 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: drink a glass of wine with your family. Yeah, if 586 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: you go to if you go to the northern parts 587 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: of Alaska and you give the indigenous people a vegetarian, 588 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: plant based diet, they life of stress, the life of inflammation. 589 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: So it is cultural. Also, I like that you said 590 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: that because it's being dealing in reality you because also 591 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: people become very obsessive about their restriction, so they may 592 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: follow everything that you do, and they create most stress 593 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: for themselves, and I call it noise. They may make 594 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: more noise for themselves. I can't have this and I 595 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: only do this, and I don't ever find sugar, and 596 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: that sounds that's great, because it's not balanced. It's called people. 597 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to intermittent fast from this time at night 598 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: to the morning. If your body is naturally doing it 599 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: and it feels good to you because you naturally are 600 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: inclined to night eat in the morning. That sounds great, 601 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: but to be militant and rigid is giving you another problem. 602 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: I love that you just said that because I totally agree. Um. So, 603 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: if you're for you personally, if you're weighing the value 604 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: of eating well, sleeping well, and exercising well, what do 605 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: you find to be the most important? For me? It's sleep. 606 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: Undeniably it is my It is more important than money 607 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: than time. Sleep is like to me. A good night's 608 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: sleep indicates that you're also eating well, that you're exercising, 609 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: that you're not stressed. Sleep is the best indicator of 610 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: all of the above. That's a great note to everybody 611 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: because I've been using a sleep app. It just keeps 612 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: you honest. You'll see it. It'll say, oh, time to 613 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: go to bed. You may be like, f you, I 614 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: don't want to go to bed, but you're aware or 615 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: you're being present about the fact that you're staying up late, 616 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: doing something stupid, or being on your phone. So I 617 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: like that as a great indicator. That's a great healthy 618 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: way for people to not be obsessed about it. Just 619 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: because I looked at this chart that they gave me, 620 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: and I was talking to my fiance, and I said, 621 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: that's funny. You were here in the last four days 622 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: and I slept well on it, and you weren't here 623 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: three days before. So what was I doing when you 624 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: weren't here? Was I busy? Was? It's just I was 625 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: at last present. So I like that. I like that 626 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: a lot. Here's my sleep score. Oh, you got an 627 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: eighty six. I got an eighty nine for the first 628 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: time in my life. Today it's the best score of 629 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 1: my life. How do you get to a hundred eight 630 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: seven reads? Hold on, tell me what it says that 631 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: you because I want to understand this. Tell me what 632 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: it says your deep was My sleep says eighty seven optimal. 633 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: I slept eight hours and fifty five minutes. And of that, 634 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: I'll tell you deep sleep was one R fifty one 635 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: minutes and rem sleep was two are in fourteen minutes. 636 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: That's look it. Well, I think you might beat me 637 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: by a second or two. Well, it's the first time 638 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: in my whole life. I mean I literally called my fiance. 639 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: It said I got eighty nine and on my test, 640 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: this is my average eighty seven to nineties. Man, Wow, 641 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: mine is not I don't know what mine is. I 642 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: have to look at my analysis. That's so funny. So anyway, 643 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: I like the people are being proactive about meditate shi 644 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: and about their tracking of sleep. You're a doctor and 645 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: you're still doing it. You still want to know what's 646 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: going on. I love that. Well, okay, um, so what 647 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: percentage have you been lucky and what percentage smart in 648 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: your career? See when people say I'm lucky or there 649 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: were many coincidences or happened to be in the right 650 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: place at the right time, or there was synchronicity, or 651 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: that God was on my side, or I was in 652 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: a state of grace. That's the only thing that matters. 653 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: Everything else is bullshit. What do you mean by that? 654 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: You mean, who cares how you got there? It worked out? 655 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: If it works, It's what you said. If you're in 656 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: touch with your soul, your spirit, if you're independent of 657 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: the good and bad opinions of the world, if you're fearless, 658 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: if you don't need validation, then you will be lucky, period. 659 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: Because that's there's a science to that. Also, it's called synchronicity. 660 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: I've written a book about really Okay, So, yeah, it's 661 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: called a spontaneous fulfillment of desire. Please read it. I 662 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: actually want to write down. But I also feel like 663 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: everything you're saying is comforting to people if said in 664 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: a way that they can understand what you really are saying. 665 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: It's all connected. You've said all roads lead to Rome 666 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: in ten different ways from from whether it's ir vedic 667 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: or macrobiotic, whether it's if it's working, whether it's sleep, 668 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: is connect. You're made everything really connect. So I really 669 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: like that, Well the roads lead to Rome. Or I say, 670 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: if you're going from Boston to New York, you can 671 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: take a plane, you can take a steamer, you can 672 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: take a ship, you can use a contour marc, you 673 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,919 Speaker 1: can use a helicopter, you can drive. It doesn't matter. 674 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: You're going from Boston to New York. Well, I guess 675 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: how long have you been married? Fifty two years this year. 676 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: So one of the big best piece of wisdom about 677 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: relationships and quote unquote successful relationship, which for me is 678 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: longevity and partnership. Someone said, I don't work on my partner. 679 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 1: I work on myself. You can't fix a person. Yeah, 680 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, I have only two rules. Okay, let's here. 681 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: Don't be possessed, don't be controlling, and always be forgiving. 682 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: And if you really have an intimate relationship, then you trust. Okay, 683 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: that's it. Otherwise if you don't trust, then you don't 684 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,280 Speaker 1: have an intimate relationship. Exactly where are you on the vaccine? 685 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: Because of some of the things you've written about about medicine, 686 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: I wondered where you stood. Okay, So you know, I 687 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: grew up in India, and when I was growing up, 688 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: I saw friends, uncles, relatives either dying from tuberculosis or 689 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: small box, or malaria or even dif theia and measles. 690 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: Some of them didn't die, they were paralyzed for life. 691 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: Some of them didn't die of smallpox, but they were 692 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: scarred for life. So I grew up in an environment 693 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: where vaccines were saving millions of lives. You can't get 694 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: that out of my head, Okay. So I believe in vaccines. 695 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: And I believe also that anytime you use anything that's foreign, 696 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: whether it's comes from an animal or whether it comes 697 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: from um, you know, even synthetic, there's always a price 698 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: to pay, always a price to pay. And then but 699 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: you have to balance between what is the mass benefit 700 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: and what is the price to pay. So I would 701 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: say right now in COVID nineteen, I have favored vaccines 702 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: because of my personal history of seeing millions of people's 703 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: life saved, millions of people actually not having paralysis, paralysis 704 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: from polio of diptheria. So you can't convince me that 705 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: life's vaccines don't work at the mass level. It sounds 706 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: like you're saying it's an extreme way of saying it, 707 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 1: but it's a necessary evil. You don't love it on 708 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: its own as an idea, but it's in this world, 709 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: just like an antibiotic is very important if you have pneumonia, 710 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: Just like if you have appendicitis and you don't take 711 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: it out, you might die in the next positive that 712 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: way that I understand what you're saying, Yeah, I got it, 713 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: um And then in your career, your rose and thorn 714 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: the highlight and the most worst part. I think looking back, 715 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: the worst part was being attacked, but I got over it. 716 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: So I don't think is anything that I look at 717 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: as worst. It was all a lesson where I am 718 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: right now. I'm seventy five. Biologically, I'm youth full, and 719 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: I do not have the fear of death because I've 720 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: in touch with a part of myself which is timeless. 721 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: And you know that spiritual traditions called the soul, but 722 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: they talk about it theory. I'm in touch with my soul, 723 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: so I'm joyful. That's amazing. And where you have a 724 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: do you have a meditation app? Or is it a book? 725 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: Or how do we do your No, there's an app 726 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: called Chopra and it's meditation, and you can find lots 727 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: of meditation. But you also can go on online on 728 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: YouTube and find hundreds of free meditations from me, including 729 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: on sleep. Okay, perfect, Well, it was really wonderful to me. 730 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: It was an education, and I really enjoyed it so much. 731 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm really appreciative. I enjoyed it too. Thank you so 732 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: nice to me. I hope, where do you live? Wherever 733 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,359 Speaker 1: I am? Oh? Okay, I'm wait. We'll see each other 734 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: one time. At the moment, it's New York, but I 735 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: live wherever I am, including on the train or a plane. 736 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: Right where you live in the present moment? Right, that's 737 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: my location right now, but I live wherever. Well. I'm 738 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: glad to be part of it today. So thank you 739 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: so much, Thanks you too. That was deepox Chopra. He's 740 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: a serious man. He's been through everything. He is a 741 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:28,720 Speaker 1: man of medicine and science and knowledge, and he sticks 742 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: to his convictions. And I love talking to interesting people 743 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: like that, because I'm sure he thought, you know, who's 744 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: this clown girl that someone made me talk to who 745 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: was on a reality show where women trashed other women. 746 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 1: But I just love being able to distill this type 747 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: of information for you and learn so much myself in 748 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 1: the process. I thought it was a great conversation. I 749 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: think it was very liberating and freeing for us to 750 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: think about aging and sleep and health in this manner 751 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: because there's so much information being thrown at us, from 752 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,439 Speaker 1: every diet to every new technique. And I watch people 753 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: around me, young and old. I watch my fiance, I 754 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: think this is the next thing. My assistance think about 755 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: different diets in a different way, and I think to myself, 756 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's about balance. But figuring out how 757 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,320 Speaker 1: to achieve balance is really difficult for different people. So 758 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: I just loved that, and I appreciate you going on 759 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: that ride with me. Uh. So many different types of 760 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: guests we have on here very intentionally, because everyone that 761 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: I have on here has something interesting to say about 762 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: a different aspect that can touch your life. So thank 763 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,320 Speaker 1: you well, remember to rate, review and subscribe and have 764 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: a wonderful day. Just Be is hosted by me, Bethany Frankel. 765 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: Just Be as a production of Be Real Productions, I 766 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,720 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Blue Duck Media. Are EPs are Morgan Levois, 767 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: Antonio Enriquez, and Kara hit. 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