1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Alia. This is All Ball. 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Usually we reserve this space for basketball discussions, but I 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: did think that sometimes you reach out in their stories. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: If you go back through our catalog, I would implore 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: you to listen to t. J. Hushman's on his All Ball. 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: His personal story is unbelievable. I think we have a 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: little bit of the same thing with Maurice Clarette, and 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: we got a couple of parts coming up to this 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Maurice Clarette stuff. Um, this is part one, and we 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about his upbringing and how he 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: landed at Ohio State and the Miami game. There's there's 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: a there's a lot to it. Um. I think you'll 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: enjoy it. I'll so we'll get to Maurice Clarette momentarily. 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: Let me share with you a couple of thoughts here 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: as we're USA basketball has at the time of this 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: recording loss to France beating the crap out of Iran 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: and um, now they continue to try and move on 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: in the Olympics, and give you some thoughts there. And 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: the NBA Draft is a course upon us. We will 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: drop another pod, but we'll have more of a draft 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: preview and of draft post view, etcetera, etcetera. Let's start 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: with the draft. I do think there's a drop off 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: after five. I do think Kate cunning Ham's the best prospect. 24 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: It's really hard, though to tell. These evals are very difficult. 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Why well, you have, you know, at least two of 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: the top ten. You think Jonathan Cominga goes in the 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: top ten, although I've heard a lot of people kind 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: of down on him, not really not understanding what he 29 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: looks like in an NBA uniform. But you have Jalen 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: Green and Jonathan Cominga, and they'll probably be they'll both 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: be lottery picks, potentially both top five, maybe more respectively, 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: top ten picks. Green probably goes two or three. But 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: they haven't. Yes, they have played in an NBA rules 34 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: and with an NBA coach, but they weren't playing against 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: NBA caliber player. Is it was a truncated season, there 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: were no fans there, there's not pressure. It's really hard 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: to tell exactly what they are who they are, right, 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: they've improved. Jathan Green's probably improved the most commingo has 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: made a name for himself, but it's hard to tell 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: because we also haven't had multiple years of the G 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: League select so we don't know what what a star 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: players supposed to look like. We only know you know 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: that Dashian Nicks gain weight and look bad and may 44 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: fall out of the draft completely from the exact same experience. 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: But we don't have and there's there's no guide for this. 46 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: There's also no guide for Kate Cunningham, who you know, 47 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: you're playing in what was last year, by anybody's estimation, 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: a much weaker Big Twelve than in the past. If 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: you don't believe me, there's no Kansas first un draft picks. Okay, 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: there's none out of Texas. Tech Um probably will be 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: out of Texas and Baylor, yes, you know, and he 52 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: didn't always play great against Baylor, so it's it's hard 53 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: to tell, you know, TCU, K State. I always state 54 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: all super down. So we're gonna use Big Twelve games 55 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: as our guide. Like the talent and college basketball specifically 56 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve, was off, wasn't at the level 57 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: that is normally at, so who's the actually competing against. 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: On the other hand, he did make everybody better, and 59 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: you'd think the space is better once he gets to 60 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: the NBA, and then you have some of the foreign players. 61 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: You know, Um, I think Josh Giddy is going to 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: be a player who's going to have a lot higher 63 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: value after the Olympics sort, you know, and the next 64 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: day because we saw him compete against the US Olympic team, 65 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: because we've seen him and we may uh over emphasized 66 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: the skill he has, the deughancy has over the athleticism 67 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: he may he may lack at the position that he plays. 68 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot to it. It's gonna be a hard year. 69 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: I do think Kay Cunningham's the number one pick, and 70 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: I think it's for he has the tangibles that others have. 71 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: His intangibles are really remarkable. I've said it before on Twitter. 72 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: I'll say to anybody if I'm Oklahoma City, because of 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: his ties to Dallas growing up there, because play in 74 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, this is the guy that you use all 75 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: those draft picks for all these you know, smaller market 76 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: teams are all trying to do the same thing, the 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: most quality draft picks possible, because that's their way to 78 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 1: get star players. You can't get him as free agents. 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: If I'm Oklahoma City, I move mountains. It doesn't mean 80 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: that those mountains can be moved but I do what 81 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: I can with exception Trade and Shae Gildas Alexander in 82 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: order to get him all right. In regards to Team USA, um, obviously, 83 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: if you watch them, they're starting to come together. It's 84 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: really hard. I thought us A volleyball and Team USA 85 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: in basketball very very similar. Right, So volleyball lost to 86 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: r o C, which is basically a Russia, the Russian 87 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Olympic Committee. They lost them, and um, that's the team 88 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to beat if they want to win 89 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: the gold medal. That was like a night after Team 90 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: USA lost in basketball, and then the volleyball team playing Tunisia. 91 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: The basketball team played the d On So you stick 92 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: with me for the parallel. Both were games that they 93 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: were supposed to win. Both looked much better on offense. 94 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: They looked much more fluid, much more cohesive, but the 95 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: level of competition was so much lower. It's really hard 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: to tell. But I I I don't find fault with 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: Greg Popovitch. You have all these people like, well, Gregg Popovich, 98 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: you know when Mike Sha chefs like, look, I think 99 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: my chef's is an amazing coach, an amazing motivator. But 100 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: the fact is that if Gregg Popovitch as much as 101 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 1: they're not playing as well as they could with their personnel, 102 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: Like if Gregg Popovitch had Lebron James and Steph Curry 103 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis and you know, like you know, pick 104 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: the ten best NBA players and he had or fifteen 105 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: best NBA players, need ten of them, he's gonna win. 106 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: And we also have to remember that Coach K's last 107 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: couple of years, last couple of teams, like the games 108 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: were closer, they weren't all blowouts. The world. It's a 109 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: different game, a different style officiating, a different set of rules, 110 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: and these guys haven't played together and they also play 111 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: on teams all year long, which and again some of 112 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: this is about the players selection process. They're the guy 113 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: and now they have to be one of It's just 114 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: a different style of basketball where you have to move it, 115 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: you have to trust everybody. And and oh yeah, by 116 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: the way, post players are really really valuable, really valuable, 117 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: and we just don't have good American posts because at 118 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: any time a kid is big, you know, some of 119 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: them play volleyball, most of them shoot threes. Nobody can 120 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 1: score down low, and we just don't have a ton 121 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: of We just don't have a ton of of shop blockers. 122 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: I mean the mobamba mo bamba hasn't evolved to that 123 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: level that guy with had he put on pounds. And 124 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: there's a great American born big guy, Carl Anthon Town's 125 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: of course, played the Dominican Republic, so he couldn't play. 126 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: There are some reasons we don't have great big guys, 127 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: but not having great big guys is a big issue. 128 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: So too is our style of play, the difference of 129 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: the play, and it's hard to tell if we really 130 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: improved that we were just playing against eat one. Okay. 131 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: So there's a lot that people know about you, but 132 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: even more I think that people don't know about you. Um, 133 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: your kid, you're growing up Youngstown, Ohio, all football all 134 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: the time. When you a multi sport kid, Like pay 135 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: me the picture of what um, you know, six seventh 136 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: grade Maury's clarette was like from another listening point, I 137 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: played football, basketball, and I ran track. Um that was 138 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, late nineties, you know what track was 139 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: real big. We had Mary's Green and um, Michael Johnson 140 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: and all those guys running Olympics, So every kid wanted 141 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: to emulate that. Go over and track and you know 142 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: play au basketball and everybody else and um, you know, 143 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: just your normal junior high, middle school basketball. I think 144 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: around that age is like I think when most kids 145 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: are finding their position, you know what I'm saying. When 146 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: I was when I was in little league, you know, 147 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: you kind of bounce around a different positions to kind 148 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: of see what you are, and um, you know you're 149 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: a different weight class and so you're gonna play other guys. 150 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: But from a sporting standpoint I had basically we're just 151 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, just playing three sports like every other kid. 152 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: And you know that's I think that's where you find 153 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: a lot of your socialization too, you know, I mean 154 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: that's where you still have friends to this day from 155 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: are are guys you know from you know, childhood sports 156 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: and you know play all three of them. What was 157 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: what was home like? Just you know, just normal normal 158 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: inter city life. You know, Um, you have my mother 159 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: raised three kids. I grew up on the street that 160 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: was a notorious for a bunch of violence and and 161 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: and whatnot. What it was the typical inner city like 162 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: everything else, you know, the nineties is um, as everybody knows, 163 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: was painted with a bunch of violence. And uh, young son, 164 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: if you go back in historic we look, you know, 165 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: we had outpaced everybody regards to murders and violent crimes, 166 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: and so as a result from that, you know, you 167 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: just get elements of that in your neighborhood. You get 168 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: elements of that your mentality, attitude, and um, you know, 169 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: looking back on it now, I guess see how I've 170 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: done a lot of disservice to a lot of kids 171 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: with them. You know when I look at it now, 172 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: see how it's it's kind of become a bad rock 173 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: and my strength for you know, how I've motored through 174 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: adverse moments. You know. It's interesting is you know, you 175 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: grow up your running back, which means in the nineties, 176 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: the running back, the best player on the team, best 177 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: athlete in the team, played running back, whereas now it 178 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: feels like the best athlete in the team in high 179 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: school plays quarterback. Right, Yeah, they're fair to say. I mean, 180 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: if you are coming up now, you would have played quarterback. 181 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: Now running back, I probably wouldn't have to build for it, 182 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, most know, most guys are like that. 183 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: They're they're built like Lamar Jackson ish are you know 184 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: those guys are kind of slender slim one day eight 185 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: that's two hundred and ten pounds. Uh. Most of those 186 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: guys are over six to UM. I just don't think 187 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: that I would have had to add the bill for it. 188 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: You know, the game change and you know, I think 189 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: the goal is that most people try to put the 190 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: ball in the best athletes hands. Uh. Just try to 191 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: put that guy in a position to make the most 192 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: UH have the ability to make the decisions on what 193 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: what would happen. So I think that's why you see 194 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: a lot of guys who are super athletic. I even 195 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: think to this thing. I think there's more guys who 196 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: can transition from like your h back positions and your 197 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: slot receivers to quarterbacks. Right when you look at the 198 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: X and X receivers, it's kind of like they're going 199 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: in a way. Um. You know, guys tend to play 200 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: everywhere and and and I'll credit this to something else 201 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: when you look at just the advancements and training, uh 202 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: more guys you can look on Instagram, Twitter, everywhere. You know, 203 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: guys are five, six, seven, eight years old. Uh, you 204 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: just have a better athlete sooner. And I think guys 205 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: that that just may not play receiver or you know, 206 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: just may not be tough enough to play running back. 207 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: In some regard, I think those guys shipped over the 208 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: quarterback in the game allows you to you know, it 209 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: allows you to to be a dual threat. You know, 210 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: to throw short passes. You don't really have to have 211 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: a big arm anymore. You know, you can manipulate guys 212 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: running the ball, and you know you can complete passes 213 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: in the fifteen yards and be an effective quarterback. You know, 214 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: anybody can you know, chuck one deep down the field. 215 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, you can have a weekend warrior who can 216 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: do that. I'm saying if you practice hard enough, uh 217 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: so that the game is definitely changed. But it's changed 218 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: all for the purpose of getting the ball in the 219 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: best athlete's hands on every snap. Gayway looking at it. Okay, 220 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: so you go to high school and you went to 221 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: one high school your freshman yeor and transferred that your 222 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: first highools wish like I went to Austin Town Fitch 223 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: my freshman year and then transferred to Warren Harding and 224 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: Austin Town Fitch was against school. But Warren Harding, you know, 225 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: like most most areas, they have like one dominant school 226 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: who like is like the premier place. Um Warren Harding 227 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: was that premier place for us. They play like all 228 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: Division one level guys, all of your guys throughout the 229 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: state in different sections out of Cincinnati, Cleveland, we played 230 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: some guys from Canada. We just played the best of 231 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: the best and um. When I finally realized that I 232 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: had some talent, I said, man, what if I got 233 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: let me go over here to um uh, to Warren 234 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: Harding and to compete against these guys. Because I obviously 235 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: see that they had guys going to Michigan and Penn 236 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: State and Ohio State and you know, your premier Division 237 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: one level schools at that time. And I was like, hey, man, 238 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: I want to go. I put myself in a position 239 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: to go to one of those schools. We had the 240 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: low as your Did your mom push back on that. 241 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: Did anybody say like, now you should let's let let's 242 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: let's let's think about this for a second. No, it was. 243 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: It was supported by everybody. Uh. And it was a 244 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: discovery process. You know, oftentimes when I talked, things are 245 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: so it's it's easy to understand now, but it's in 246 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: the context of you know, you're just trying to find 247 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: your way. Uh. You know, the NFL wasn't the thing 248 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: to everybody. You know, you can talk about it casually 249 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: easily now, but like, as long as you went to 250 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: a good school back in the day, that was like 251 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: a pinnacle, you know what I'm saying. Uh, at least 252 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: for me. You know, when you're in high school, be like, hey, ma, 253 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: if I just go to good college, you know, I'll 254 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: be okay. But I have had success my freshman and 255 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: I broke my ankle, and you can just see, like 256 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: when we played these guys and when you heard about 257 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: him on the news, they were just doing something different. 258 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: You know, they were turning out. They were just they 259 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: were turning out guys like two premier schools. Like the 260 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: year I transferred to him, Uh, the year Priority said 261 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: like eight guys to Division one level schools and so 262 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: like that was a lot for kids in the inner city. 263 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: And so I said, hey, man, I want to go 264 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: be a part of that. And my mother just supported 265 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: because she said, okay, he's good and you know he 266 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: will go somewhere. And I was kind of like, my 267 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: my deal, what do you remember not going to do 268 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: it because it knew high school cause I did that. 269 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: I went to a different high school, but I went 270 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: all four years at school. But I remember early on, 271 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: like my first year, outside of the basketball guys who 272 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: are all older than me, I didn't know anybody. What 273 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: was it like, you did you know all those guys? 274 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I know Youngstown's got a huge city, but 275 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: it's big enough city. I don't know what was your 276 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: Did you know people when you went to your Lilace? No, 277 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: So I actually went to high school. I was like 278 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: thirty minutes away. It was called Warrnt Harding, and I 279 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: didn't know anybody. And if I look back on it, 280 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: it actually benefited me because I spent the majority of 281 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: my time just developing myself right um, with lifting weights, 282 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: standing after practice, watching film, and you know, I didn't 283 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: even and I didn't feel like alone or I didn't 284 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: feel distant because most of the guys that who are 285 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: my friends, we played basketball, football, and we ran track together, 286 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: so I felt like I had friends. But you know, 287 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have that socialization because I didn't live in 288 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: the city so where some kids may have been in 289 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: the Russian can go home or you know, let me 290 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: hang out with my boys. Like I was just like 291 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: I came to school, I practiced, and then you know, 292 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: I drove thirty minutes back home to you know, be 293 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: where I was from, which was Young Sound. And so 294 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: if you look at it, just just the amount of 295 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: time that I put into practicing, an amount of time 296 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: that I put into, uh, just developing my game. I 297 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: think that it came from just not being from that 298 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: city or not being from the area. It's sort of like, um, 299 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: feeling the need to go socialized after school. Okay, so 300 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: when when did you first start getting recruited by our 301 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: high state. Uh. The irony is I've never got recruited 302 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: about how state. Um. And I'll just tell you a 303 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: quick story. So my my junior year or my sophomore year, 304 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: I did good and UM, I really didn't get a 305 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: ton of offers. I just got interest from people in 306 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: Indiana was one of the first people that had interested me. 307 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: And then my junior year I went out and I 308 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: went to a couple of camps and they had like 309 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: junior camps and all this odd little stuff, and I 310 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: would competience everybody, and I said, man, if I take 311 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: this thing serious, uh, this year or this is like 312 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: the summer of myself where you're going into my junior year. 313 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: I told myself, I get very serious that I can 314 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: be good. And so at this time, um, all like 315 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: within like an eight month period, Ohio State at launch 316 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: John Cooper, Jim Trustle goes down there, and I'm becoming 317 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: better at Ohio Stated regards to football. And so what 318 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: ended up happening was that I called OHW State and 319 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: told them that I was coming, and it was it 320 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: was just like you know, you know how pride thinking. 321 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: It was a Jim Trussell thing, to be honest with you, 322 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: Jim Trussell had won a ton of championships at Youngstown State, 323 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: and ever since I was a kid. You know, when 324 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: you're a kid, you don't know Division one Double A 325 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: from anybody. You just understand like a college football team 326 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: is a college football team. So young Sound State was 327 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: like the biggest thing when I was a kid, So 328 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: me wanted to go and play for him. Uh influenced 329 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: me to want to be that guy. But then also 330 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: I got fortunate. I had three people who kind of 331 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: like influenced my game. Coach Tom McDaniels, who was Josh 332 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: McDaniel's father. Uh for the Patriots. Uh, you had Matt Richardson, 333 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: excuse me, who was my running back coach. Matt had 334 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: played for Jim trust So and then Tom basically took 335 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the offense from Youngstown State. And so 336 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: what happened was that I understood the game, but also 337 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: when I would watch the how State, I knew what 338 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: I was watching, and I understood that my skill set 339 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: fit in very well to what they were doing. And 340 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: I knew I was excelling with this. And I said, 341 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't need to, you know, trying to go get 342 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: recruited by anybody else, Like I just need to tell 343 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: what I've learned here and just take my skill set 344 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: and put it in that system. And you know, it 345 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: was it was a bold move. They had brought in 346 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: three running backs prior to that UM, and they were 347 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: all freshmen, and we were all within the same um, 348 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, within within the year of each other. So 349 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, it was like, hey, you're taking the gam 350 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: on myself. But I knew that if I just had 351 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: a fair shot like everybody else, that I could excel. 352 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 1: And I knew my skill set was better in that 353 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: system than any guy who had UM basically been running 354 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: at the time. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports 355 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows 356 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the I 357 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. Searchs are to listen live. So you 358 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: show up Ohio State. Did you go in the in 359 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: the winter or did you go UM in the fall? Yes? 360 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: So I'm the first guy to ever uh you graduate early. 361 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: So the whole graduated and early thing started from myself 362 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: and the guy named Rex Hogan. I'm not sure if 363 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: you know Rex. Rex is for he. I think he's 364 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: like the GM or he's in the front office at UM. Uh, 365 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. He's even with the Bears and the 366 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: Jets are I don't he was one of those the 367 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: last few times. But Rex at that time was a 368 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: g A at Notre Dame and I initially committed to 369 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: Notre Dame when Urban Marrow was there. But when um 370 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: Bob Davy got fired, the whole staff got fired, and 371 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: then I think Urban end up going like the Bowling 372 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: Green or something. And I was like, you know, I'm 373 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: not going to Bowling Green, but um I was. I was. 374 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: After I had a good junior year. I was like, hey, 375 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, I want to graduate early. I want to 376 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: uh forego my senior year. That's how the whole thing started. 377 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: They said, you can't forego your senior year, but you 378 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: can forego the first the second half of his senior 379 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: and graduate early. Rex Hogan was the one who actually 380 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: helped me to figure it out. And so I went 381 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: to a summer school class. And then eventually when they 382 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: got fired or how, State kind of inherited all of 383 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: the work that rex Hogan had done prior to that, 384 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: and I end up going going to a house State 385 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: and coming down early and and eventually, you know, I 386 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: had a chance to work out all the kinks um 387 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: that most guys they probably you know, comingto fall camp 388 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: and then have to work them out to the first 389 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: three games before there before they become a freshman. But 390 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: you know, I came and I was on special teams 391 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: the majority of spring ball, and uh, you know, and 392 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: then I found out the workflow, the workpace. I found out, 393 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: you know, my way around campus, and I had, you know, 394 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: spent two semesters or whatever there was, I don't know 395 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: the semesters, but I spent a ton of time on 396 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: campus already. So by the time we came to the 397 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: first game, I felt like I was heading me into 398 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: my second year, or I felt like I had enough experience, 399 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: Like you know, I didn't. I didn't feel nervous or scared. 400 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: I have been through spring ball and all of them 401 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: just just other stuff you go through that um that 402 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: young guys are curious about. They want to know how 403 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: it feels and just don't know how to navigate. But 404 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: I had done it already, so you know that was 405 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was good for me. Okay, so you're 406 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: you're getting ready for your first game. You're you're a freshman. Um, 407 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: where were you on the depth chart? Uh? Well I was. 408 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: I was fourth on the depth chart two weeks prior 409 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: to the season. And um, like they said, you know, preparation, 410 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: opportunity to self, that's how people be. I'm lucky. And 411 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: we had a goal line drill. And the goal line 412 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: drill did, to make a long story short, the first 413 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: two guys one guy was fumbling a ton. The other guy, uh, 414 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: he his ankle was hurting or he acted like he 415 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: was hurting. But if you go back, you know we 416 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: had a number one defense and they were just like 417 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: knocking and shoot out of guys right, and so you know, 418 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: practice was you know, practice was real rough, and we 419 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: had like just a rough, old school grungy, just old 420 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 1: school college players, right. And so when we go to UM, 421 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: when we when we go to the goal line drill 422 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: uh as as you know, the coaches askeds tend to 423 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: get a little tighter. They want to be like have 424 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: great looks on defense and all that stuff. Uh. And 425 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: they just weren't getting good looks. And so coach Trustle 426 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: came to me and he said, hey, you know you 427 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: always um talking about you want to get in, you know, 428 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: get in. You know, this is goal line. And so 429 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: I go in and I just told myself like I'm 430 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: just not going to run from anybody, and like three 431 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: or four runs, I just had great runs to the 432 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: point that the defensive coach got mad and said, you know, 433 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: funk like you know, like stopping right. So then we 434 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: went from there to inside run. Uh. And we would 435 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: go to inside run. It was a very similar to 436 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: the same thing. I had a bunch of success um 437 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: an inside run and then coach D'Antonio, who was our 438 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: deepens recordinator at the time, UH, he came over and said, hey, 439 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: I need you to basically do this in team. So 440 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: I went to our team exercise and I didn't in 441 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: team And the next day I came back to practice. 442 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: I went from fourth to first on the depth chart. 443 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: And they had called me in earlier that day and 444 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: they said, you know, practice was at one o'clock. You know, 445 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: come in at twelve. We want to talk to you. 446 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: And uh, the coach and told me he said, man, 447 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: coach D'Antonio actually advocated for you to basically be the 448 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: running back because you gave our team a better chance 449 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: to wein. And so I didn't even get promoted from 450 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: my running back coach or the head coach. It was 451 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: a deef as a coach. You see me practice him. 452 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: But you know this is just even like you never 453 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: know who listens to this stuff, and I just really 454 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: want to leave, like a tip bit of wisdom. I 455 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: took a ton of pride and playing on Scout team, 456 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: and people oftentimes shun Scout team, but Scout Team was 457 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: the first time that I had a chance to go 458 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: against the number one defense. So when it was my 459 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: time to go against these guys, I wasn't as intimidated 460 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: or scared as other guys. And I also knew that 461 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: it was the only way I was going to get 462 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: reps when you got a bunch of people. The only 463 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: way you can get reps is gonna scout team or 464 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: do I get like the intern work. You know what 465 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying, and you know it Ultimately, UH put me 466 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: in a position where you know, I was able to 467 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: uh go from fourth to first within a day's time. 468 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: So you get to start. You started your first game. 469 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: What do you what do you remember about? I just 470 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: didn't go to sleep the night before. UM, just constantly 471 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: replaying plays in my mind. UM constantly, UM, just thinking 472 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: about what's about to take place. You know, we get 473 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: over to the stadium. Uh, just you know. And I 474 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: used to have like a routine just just stay solid 475 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: the entire day, just kind of visualize what you want 476 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: to do. That was a real big thing I used 477 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: to do in high school. Just visualize and try to 478 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: like play the game in your mind prior to come. 479 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: And you know, we used to have like like everybody 480 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: has it now you have a first fift team plays, 481 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: So I would visualize what I have to do. I 482 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: would visualize the different uh blitz packages that they would have. 483 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: And I was one of those guys who read the 484 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: little write ups on everybody, So I knew all the 485 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: little write ups and you know, uh, what the guy 486 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: was good at and where he went to high school. 487 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: And I used to find like a fascination and that 488 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: I just felt like that that even though it's not 489 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: relevant information, I felt like that that information just like 490 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: allowed me to focus on the task at hand. And 491 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: we get to the game, and you know, the first 492 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: few series, we really didn't do too much. Uh And 493 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: then like you know, just like anything else, you know, 494 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: in the first few series for those who don't know, 495 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: every everybody just trying to adjust, like everybody's trying to 496 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: figure out how the other team lines up. And what 497 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: ended up happening was I got I got in the backfield, 498 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: and we called a set that we knew that we 499 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: can take advantage of them and the set that they had, 500 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: and we got the right blocks and then I broke 501 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: like a fort y yard touchdown on the third series. 502 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: And from there, you know, I remember dragging to the sideline. 503 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, it's over, Like I just knew, 504 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: like I knew what said happened, and once the people 505 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: start cheering, uh um, and I had confidence. You know, 506 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: after you break a run, you have confidence and you know, 507 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: you understand you can move the ball, and you know 508 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: I ended up with like a hundred seventy eight yards, 509 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: a hundred seventy five yards and three touchdowns and uh, 510 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: you know at that point, that's kind of feel like, 511 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, just like that's what my life changed. That's 512 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: where you know how everybody knows me to this day. Uh, 513 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: from that moment. You know, that moment kind of introduced 514 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: me to the world, to the sporting world at large. 515 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 1: What's that like, You're suddenly a superstar running back as 516 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: a freshman high state. Did you go out that night? 517 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: You go back to your room? Like what, No, we 518 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: went out with party. Um, and you know, I have 519 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: family members and I had people from a neighborhood. We 520 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: all get get together, you know, we go out with 521 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: party and you know, just had a good time and 522 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: it was like, um, it was almost like movie esque, 523 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, you know, there wasn't 524 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: a social media back then. You know, I'm saying so 525 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: like like when people viewed you already looked at you. 526 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: They looked at you still like as if you were 527 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: a star, not just like another guy. You know what 528 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, like you know, college football is still 529 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: cool and and you know, it just wasn't like you 530 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,239 Speaker 1: didn't have like super access to people, and so there 531 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: was there was still like a level of appreciation and 532 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: coolness to it. So when you went out and people 533 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: just appreciate you, you you know what, I'm still like the 534 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: old school camera era. You know, camera phones are real new, 535 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: cell phones are real new. Uh So now we just 536 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: want to have a good time. But I remember, I 537 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: just remember going out, man, I said, man, um, like, 538 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: and one day I have become addicted to just like 539 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: fan love, you know what I mean. You go out 540 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: and everybody loves you. They stream your name and they 541 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: want to hug you. And even though you know a 542 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: shallow you still love it, you know what I'm saying, 543 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Even you know it's not real, and that's that's human nature, 544 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: of course you do. Yeah. Um yeah. So so now 545 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: you're on this rocket ship of success. Okay, um, like, 546 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: now looking back, what's this twenty years removed? Now looking back, 547 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: what are the memories of that season? I mean, because 548 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: you guys won the national championship. You're the best running back, 549 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: like there was in conversation, the best running back in 550 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: the country. What do you remember about that season. I 551 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: have nothing but good memories from the season, you know. 552 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: I think the biggest stuff is that you know, you 553 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: fought through you know, three or four or five close games. Uh. 554 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: That really brought us together. Like stuff that you were 555 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: writ in a movie where you've got players on the styleelines, 556 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: you know, clinched each other, looking at the clock, looking 557 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: at the defense, um, random turnovers and returns for touchdowns, 558 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: field goals, all of the stuff that if you set 559 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: a group of riders in the room, uh and said, hey, 560 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: let's just you know, write a movie on sports and 561 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: football and adversity and and and the team eventually becoming 562 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: champions like we had experienced that entire year and it 563 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: was just so cool. You know, I can remember you know, 564 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: our remember um for those who don't know, when you 565 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: go to Wisconsin, you know, on the third quarter they 566 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: played to jump around song, right, and I remember looking 567 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: at Craig Crnzon and I'm looking at him and he 568 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: was like, man, isn't this the coolest thing in the world. 569 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: And I'm just like yo, like like I don't know, 570 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: you watch stuff on TV and then you're actually in 571 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: the moment and you're like, man, like I'm actually in 572 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: this moment, this is happening, and like this is cool, right, So, 573 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: like you know, I have those memories. I have the 574 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: memories of going out to Arizona and like Arizona being 575 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: like a new thing, and like, man, we're about to 576 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: play Miami. And I remember watching Miami that entire year. 577 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: Um beat everybody, and you know, you understand that they 578 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: had you know, Andre Roland, Sean Taylor and d J. 579 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: Williams and Jonathan Film and Vincent will Focus. You know, 580 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: it was just it was it was It was a 581 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: memorable time. Like you just couldn't have made a better story. 582 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: And for for all those guys who you know who 583 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: went on wanted to have illustrious careers, for everybody has 584 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: kids to be together and playing and competing, and I 585 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: just thought it was the coolest thing in the world. 586 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: What do you what was the Miami game? Like, I 587 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: mean on TV, Like I remember watching, I just got 588 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: done with college. I remember watching and and both teams 589 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: were stacked. I mean, there was no question, like these 590 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: are the two best teams in the country. It would 591 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: it would seem like as much as you had played 592 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: a lot of football and high level football in the 593 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: Big ten, Like that game was at a just a 594 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: different level. So the biggest thing at that level, everybody 595 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: knows that everybody's doing. That was I think that was 596 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: the That's something you can't hear in the stands when 597 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: like it's Um, it's very weird when you line up 598 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: and you motion into a set and they say, hey, 599 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: they're about to run it right here, they're doing such 600 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: and such and eight percent of the plays you run, 601 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: they know them. Uh, they fill them in A and 602 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: A and they have an understand It's not like you're 603 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: resting around with guys who weren't talented. These are some 604 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: of the most talented guys in the history of MIMI football. Uh. 605 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: You know, they've had a few Hall of Famers and 606 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: all that and so, uh that was fun. But but 607 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: another thing, and this was they would never experienced this 608 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: on TV. It was longer than usual, Like you know, 609 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: I just didn't realize how many commercial breaks, so many 610 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: an extended halftime. Uh, you have to remember we went 611 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: to three overtimes, you know what I'm saying. So I 612 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: just remember it was at a point in the game 613 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: and I think everybody has like this internal clock. If 614 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: you said Okay, I know how long we've been playing? 615 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: Like you sign a restinct, you know what I'm saying. 616 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we were playing Miami and I was like, yo, 617 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: this is like a long game. You know, it's so funny. 618 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: So my son, he's twelve, he plays his first tackle 619 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: football game at ten, and all he'd ever played was 620 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: flag football. You know, flag football is a wrapped like 621 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: forty minutes, right. Yeah. I remember in the second half 622 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: he's like, we still playing? How long is this the show? 623 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: And I was like I was. I was sitting there 624 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: and cown like, yo, dude, you want to You're done. 625 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: He's like no, I want to keep playing, but like, 626 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: how long does it go? Like, well, there's a clock 627 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: right there, man, This thing take forever. Miami game. That's 628 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: the Miami game. I So you win? Was it a 629 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 1: good call? Call? Yes? I'm on the winning side, so 630 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: of course I say yes. So I'm pretty sure if 631 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: you asked anybody from the state of Florida or who 632 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: plays I mean, they would say it's a bad car. Right, 633 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't look, I don't call the game. 634 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: Here's my rebuttal to this whole thing, right, and this 635 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: has always been my rebuttal. Right, at the end of 636 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: the day, players play in referees ref like, it's not 637 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: like you're going to come out there and say, oh, 638 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: ref like, let's rent it back on the replay, and 639 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: less like the technology wasn't there, Like we didn't have 640 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: the ability to do that or to make that call right. 641 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: And so the fans at home they felt a different 642 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: way because they seem the replay and they thought that, hey, 643 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, it should be done. But at the end 644 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: of the day, I'm just a player on the field 645 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: going to play the game. I hear what they say, 646 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: I hear how they talk, I hear how they love themselves. 647 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: And Miami is supposed to have that sense of pride. 648 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: But if we were that horrible, why didn't you just 649 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: blow us out? Why didn't you just be there so 650 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: bad that you know there it shouldn't even been in 651 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: a situation where it should have been that close call. 652 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: And those are like my rebuttals to it. Um, you know, 653 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: I think since they here's a question, okay, because my 654 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: dad's a high state allow and obviously, you know, coach 655 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: Cooper could could beat anybody except for Michigan, right, couldn't 656 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: be misigan like right comes into comes in and um 657 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: and this is year two. He's flipped right and he 658 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: had won. He won a youngtown, he won there. Okay, 659 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: what what what's the secret sauce to Jim? Trust? Yeah, 660 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: So he kept this simple and he understood the metrics 661 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: of winning, right, if you had X amount of rushing yards, 662 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: if you had an x amount of passing yards, if 663 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: you minimize mistakes and you didn't beat yourself, and if 664 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: you had X amount of turnovers. Right, and these guys 665 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: coached to that, And so we didn't have a thousand sets, 666 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: We didn't have a thousand things. We had like four 667 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: or five different formations. We were running the same four 668 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: or five running plays out of right, and people hated it. 669 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: But we just understood that if we can keep things 670 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: simple and kind of controlled the game from a ground standpoint, 671 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: we will get there. We also understood that we need 672 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: to see takeaways, and we had like basic defenses. We 673 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: didn't do nothing spectacular. We locked up Chris Gamble on 674 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: People's player and we went from there. And so when 675 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 1: I was to look back on it, uh and and 676 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: the team was built more on character, right, And what 677 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean by that there's a lot of people who 678 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't want to. I don't want 679 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: to bash anybody's program, so I won't go there. Right. 680 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: But he he had the philosophy that there's no man 681 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: one man above the team. The best man wins the position. 682 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: Everybody's fighting the volume for one another. You're going to 683 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: be the best conditioned team out here, and we're gonna 684 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: keep the game simple. Now, Uh, is that everybody's game? No? 685 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, do people like to air it out and 686 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: score seventy points and make the fans love you? Uh? 687 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit more entertaining. But in the 688 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: era or the time we were in football, um, you know, 689 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: probably through the nages and in the early part of 690 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: two thousands, before the game uh came in transition into 691 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: the into the into the gun, the spread option or 692 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: whatever whatever the new stuff is called. Uh, he mastered 693 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: a part of it, you know, and I'm very fortunate 694 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: that you know, he was the leader of our ship 695 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: at that point. Okay, so you win the national championship. 696 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: Then what happened? Um, when the national championship, the off 697 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: season comes. I have a wonderful time during the all 698 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: season and obviously it accelerates and and goes to a 699 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: year two, you know, a month have passed, and then 700 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: that's what I basically went through my n C double 701 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: A investigation. Okay, so how did you know, like the 702 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: NSA is investigating you? How did you find how did 703 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: you find out their investigating you? Had this all kind 704 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: of come to beate. Uh, they called me up, said, Uh, 705 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 1: it was really simple. Uh. Coach Trussell called me up 706 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: and said, hey, you gotta call uh the Athletic Directors 707 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: Office line to mean and I talked to compliance and 708 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: they said, hey, you know, we have to come down. 709 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: The n C double A wants to interview you and 710 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: investigate you for things that happened last year. And you know, 711 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: I had no clue what they were going to ask, 712 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: what they were what they were going to talk about. 713 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: And so basically went over to UM the compliance office. 714 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: And when I got there, I didn't expect that, you know, 715 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: I didn't expect like this full on blown, full going 716 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: uh investigation. But when I walked in and I kind 717 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: of seen that they had two or three people there 718 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: and just the nature of the meeting was serious. Right. 719 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: You see, you had like UM like you know, you're 720 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: walking somewhere and it is not friendly. It's more like 721 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: it's it's stern and firm, and like you, I'm there's 722 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes too, wearing suits and they got 723 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: notebooks and you're like, whoa wait, what kind of meeting? 724 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: I'm not lying to you? Since it was so close 725 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: to the season, I think that's what I think, that's 726 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: what threw me off. I said, it's in my mind. 727 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,959 Speaker 1: I said, it's so close to the season, it can't 728 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: be that serious. And like, nothing that serious is about 729 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: to happen now, that's kind of like my my thought, 730 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: and and and like even throughout the whole dude, I 731 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't believe it was as serious as like 732 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: it had it had gotten outside that all right, Dad, 733 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: that's it for this edition of All balt More to 734 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: come More to come, um with a. I was a 735 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: great running back and then fizzled out in the NFL. 736 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 1: What went wrong? That's that's gonna be our part two. 737 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: You'll just have to tune in on Doug Golip and 738 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: this is all ball