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Let's 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: make it a date. R s v P today for 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: a Crting Barrel Private Registry event at Creating Barrel dot 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: com Slash Stores Slash Events. If you live in the 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: Bay Area, I have fantastic news for you. Almost Famous 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: Live is coming your way. Ashley I Canetti, Ben Higgins 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: special guests and performances Saturday, January eleven that the Palace 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: of Fine Arts in San Francisco. You can get your 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: tickets right now ticket master dot com. All the most 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: famous live in San Francisco. This is Ben and Ashley 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: I Almost Famous in depth. It's been so long since 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: we've heard that intro video for this, and I can't 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: tell you how much I love it. This is honestly 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: one of my favorite times of any season, is what 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: we can do an in depth episode. I also love 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: the way that your tone is like so much more 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: like stop. I mean, I like in death because when 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm a little nasily right now, I'm a little nasi 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: and my buddy has two kids and we shared like, 29 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: uh the same cup and I know I got sick 30 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: from him. Um, hey guys today, Uh the background, Yeah, 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that was picture. I actually like the 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: gast photo was terrible. If you hear the man's voice, 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: it's uh sensual, I would say it's it's a great voice. 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: His name is Mike Johnson. We've promised that we would 35 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: have the an in depth episode. You've all asked for it, 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: and worry, we now have it. Mike Johnson. Uh, if 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: you don't know, um who he is, well you're not 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: a fan of the show. Um, but he's a thirty 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: one year old Air Force veteran from San Antonio who 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: now works as a financial portfolio manager. Contestant from season 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: fifteen of the Bachelorette with Hannah Brown describes himself as 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: a city boy who likes to getting down in dirty. 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: Allegedly allegedly that was in your first Q and A, 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: I guess allegedly is speaking to Demi Livada. But before 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: we speak to Mike Johnson, we gotta pause here to 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: say we're live from the planet of Hollywood and Las. 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: What is my life? Um, Mike Johnson, welcome to the 48 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: In Depth Podcast. Thank you, Thanks. Um. I want to 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: there there's a little bit of an elephant in the room, 50 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: and I think it is best to get it started 51 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: right away because here's a thing, Mike. I want to 52 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: preface this right now by saying, my co host thinks 53 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: you are amazing. She she no, no, no, this let 54 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: me this is this is my zone. She is a 55 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: huge she's a huge fan of you. She loves you. 56 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: But there had been and just like normal, like just 57 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: like this world happens, there was trolls that came out 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: and said, hey, Ashley doesn't like Mike, and then it 59 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: kind of blew up into this thing. It offended you, 60 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Mike for some of the things that Ashley has said 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: in the past. And I think before we get started 62 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: and we can really trust each other here in this circle, 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: we have to talk about it, right, So if I 64 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: fall backwards and don't look you got me? I got you. Man. 65 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: I hear this stuff, Ashley, from your perspective, what was said, 66 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: what was the context of what was said, and what 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: happened to make this whole thing as something? Um, I 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: think that. Well. First off, I think when we do 69 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: these like podcasts and all the recaps I do, I 70 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: do have to criticize, you know, if I see something 71 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: sometimes I have to like not criticized. But I can't 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: just be butterflies and rainbows with every single thing that 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: happens on the show or whether it's in real life. 74 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: What to be rainbows and butterflies. Yeah, that's true. He's 75 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: the one that like always takes the easier out and 76 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: like he's like, surely said this, but this, and I'm like, 77 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: will sometimes be a little bit harder. I was harder 78 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: on Kaylin too, and like I did the same thing 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: on the podcast. I was like, look, I didn't have 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: the birst the best first impression of her, and then 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: I met her in real life. Well I met her 82 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: in real life a couple of times, but it was 83 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: when we actually broke the silence that I was like, Uh, 84 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: this is a completely different person than I thought she was. 85 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: I think with Mike, I saw you on the show 86 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: and you were like the warmest, friendliest person, and then 87 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: the thirty seconds and it was like thirty seconds that 88 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: I met you at the wedding. I felt like somebody 89 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: introduced me to you as like the Bachelor beat reporter, 90 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: and I was like there they were like, um, this 91 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: is actually she has like a whole bunch of recaps, 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: she does this and that, and then I said yeah, 93 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: and everybody is loving you like literally nobody can think 94 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: of a bad thing to say about you. And the 95 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: first thing you said to me, I don't care about 96 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: any of that, and I felt like I was kind 97 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: of discredited. I just felt like I was personally. I 98 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: took a little bit of offense to that because it 99 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: was almost like you're putting down what I do. Um, 100 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm going off of what you're saying, because I don't 101 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: remember none of that. Um. I'm not saying that you're wrong, 102 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: but just going off what you're saying. Yeah, that's something 103 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: I would say, I don't care about nothing. If if 104 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: someone were to say to me, hey, everyone thinks you're amazing. 105 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: That's me saying, yeah, I don't care about none of that. 106 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: Let's have a conversation. So I think you took that 107 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: completely out of context. Okay, and that's probably very true, 108 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: probably very true. What is it that you felt like 109 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: you had an issue with me about? It's one. I 110 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: think we are making it bigger than I think we 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: are too. I do think we are too, because but 112 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: I think it has to be talked about because it 113 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: does get brought up every once in a while. Yeah, 114 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about it if you're watch me in 115 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: the bachlordor I'm gonna come at you coming me, Damn sure, 116 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: I will come at you. And So from what people 117 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: had told me my d M and from what I 118 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: think you, I think the same. I think something crazy happened. 119 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: I think that people like literally took me being like 120 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: I didn't get the greatest first impression, and then people 121 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: really flip it like hardcore. I was like, I met 122 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: him for thirty seconds, Yeah, you married for thirty seconds, 123 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: exactly my point. So from what you had said from 124 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: just an article, I just right while sitting over there 125 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: to make sure I got my facts right. He said, 126 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: you know albeit it was only like thirty seconds that 127 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: we spoke, but you didn't get the best impression. He 128 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: won't be the bachelor cool stuff. Didn't say that we 129 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the bachelor. That's what some article I just said. 130 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: That wasn't the quote fair enough? Cool? And my issue 131 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: is that you should damn sure coming me first. You 132 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: just talked to me because I'm a pretty damn good guy. 133 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: Oh and I know I'm gonna learn this this weekend 134 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: because we're gonna have a lot more time. And then 135 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: I probably should never have even spoken on the first impression. 136 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean, my first impression of the band was damn, 137 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: he's tall. He's good too. Yeah, this guy is so awkward. 138 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: My first I pression was Michael was, well, I want 139 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: to talk to this guy. He's got big arms. Hey, Ben, 140 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: can you move out of the way for both of you? 141 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I had never watched the show prior, and 142 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: so for one that my happiest time while being on 143 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: Batchelan Faradix was at the wedding, yeah for Chris and Crystal, 144 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: and because I just felt free and just was just 145 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: loving life right then. And so it was just a cluster. 146 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: It was, and the more I thought about it, the 147 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: more I was like, I was super overwhelmed. I feel 148 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: like everybody was overwhelmed because we had no idea what 149 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: we were going into and it was not the appropriate 150 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: time to make a judgment. I gotta ask you something, though, 151 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: I want to hear your opinion on this. So here's 152 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: the scenario is playing out right. We've we've we've talked 153 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: through this. We understand as a miscommunication. We understand that, 154 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, tabloids and rumors are gonna get started, It's 155 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: gonna get blown up. Right. Here's where maybe I want 156 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: you to help me understand. This is a deep topic. 157 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: I am about that smiles coming out now to paint 158 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: the picture for your guys, actually says something like, hey, 159 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Mike not might not be the best the next bachelor. 160 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: I didn't get at good first impression. Nothing about you personally, really. 161 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can ask her, Ashley, why do 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: you think? And then all of a sudden, here's what happens, 163 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: And this is where it hurts. She's called a racist. 164 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: What do we what do you do with that? Like 165 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: we go from hey, maybe this person just say isn't 166 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: gonna be the next bachelor to all of a sudden, 167 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: she's a racist. That's a big jump and incredibly offensive 168 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: to I think both sides. Um So I heard that, 169 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: I heard, I mean, I thought that was absolutely insane 170 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: how people would go from that too. I want to 171 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: hear what you think of that though, because it isn't 172 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: This isn't a one off thing. I mean, it's gonna happen, 173 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: and later on the podcast, I want to talk about 174 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: you not being chosen the next Bachelor and how you 175 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: feel about that and what the show is gonna do 176 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: and what is your response. But this isn't We've talked 177 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: to Rachel lindsay about this before you are. You're blazing 178 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: a trail and batchelor nation one that should be blazed. 179 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: But why then, is this the conclusion to every criticism, 180 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: big or small. So you have a couple of points. 181 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: One I did see that people hit me on my 182 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: demons about that I never knew of you in the past, 183 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: not saying nothing negative about you, right, not just like 184 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: if you don't know a baseball, you just don't know 185 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: a baseball, right. And I heard about that. I didn't 186 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: response to it because I didn't know of YouTube be 187 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: that way towards me. Right, So people can say things, 188 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna treat you the way you treated me 189 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: at that point in time. You don't treat me to 190 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: be a racist at all. I'm saying on there, if 191 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: you are, I don't think that you are. Of course 192 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't think that you are. So people 193 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: have said that I don't know your past, right, Um, 194 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: the way I feel about what you said been quite honestly, 195 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: it shouldn't even be in the question. Um. The reason 196 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: I feel like it isn't questions because there is it 197 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: extremely underrepresented people of color within this nation. That's just facts, right, 198 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: And so therefore, when I'm in a room of like 199 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: twenty beautiful people, I'm the only black guy in this 200 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: form him that may come up more times than if 201 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: it were if we was twenty black guys. And then 202 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: you guys, the only white guy that comes up more 203 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: so because that's a it's an easy thing to talk about, Oh, 204 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Ben is the only white guy in here? Right, Maybe 205 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: that may be the case, may not be the case. 206 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: But then also in Bachelor Nation, I don't know the 207 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: demographics of how everything works out, but there, I mean, 208 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: I would like to see that one day from in 209 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: regards to I'm just gonna talk on it. In regards 210 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: to me not being the Bachelor because of my race, 211 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: I will say that, yes, Peter is half Cuban, He's white, right, 212 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, and I think his family is beautiful. 213 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: But there's that meme going around not I mean there's 214 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: a picture going around of all the Bachelor's, right, bachelors, 215 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: they could have maybe more white. Yeah, let's be honest, 216 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: looking at the presidents, right, looking at the presidents, you know, 217 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: until we got the Obama president. Um, if there was 218 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: a diverse cast that represented in America as far as 219 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: a bachelor, I don't think racism would ever be in question. 220 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: But since all four bachelors have been predominantly white, then 221 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: I feel like it is a fair thing to bring up. 222 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Let's take one step deeper than because I know Ashley 223 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: wants to follow up here a little bit. My apologies. No, no, 224 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm glad you did know that that, Like, there's no 225 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: apologies here because I want to step one step deeper. 226 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Then here's the question, Mike, So, Rachel Lindsay, I think 227 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: was one of the best batchelors we've ever had, just 228 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: ass in terms of season of drama, all that stuff. 229 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: She has about half the followers of most bachelottes, so 230 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: calling it out well, no, and and so my question 231 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: do you, Mike, is if we look at the list, 232 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: and we look at the pictures and we say, yeah, 233 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: that needs to change, then how does it change when nobody, 234 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: nobody comes out for support. There's a problem there way 235 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: beyond the show. So my point is, yes, the show 236 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: to do something to fix that. Right, they couldn't name 237 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: you the Bachelor, But even beyond the show, the viewers. 238 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: The viewers don't respond, which makes me go, there's a 239 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: bigger issue here than what any of us want to 240 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: point out. There's three things that you hit on. One, 241 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: Like I said, back to demographics, I think that people 242 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: gravitate to what they are used to write. So I've 243 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: asked tons of times. I was in the Air Force, 244 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: being overseas and I said to my white friends, Hed, 245 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: can you imagine being the only white guy in an airport? 246 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that? Ben? Can you imagine that? Actually 247 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: that's happened to me tons of times. I'm talking about 248 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: thousands of people in an airport and I'm the only 249 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: black guy. Right if I was if I saw another 250 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: black person, I'm gonna gravitate towards that person first. Is 251 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: that racist or is that just relatability? Right? And so 252 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: therefore I'm not going to call out a Batchelor Nation 253 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: fans at all if the majority of a Bastel Nation 254 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: fans are Caucasians. So therefore, for the ones that may 255 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: not be open to it, they're gonna gravitate to what's 256 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: natural for them. Literally. And so I always think about 257 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: the airport's scenario because most of the people don't here, 258 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: probably none of you'll have felt that. I'll call you 259 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: all that, right, it's a crazy thing. Yeah, there's twenty 260 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: white people in the room, by the way, and that's 261 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: the scenario we're talking about, Like you're black, right, and 262 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: so yeah, so like for the most part, like you're 263 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: we're looking at the room, there's people watching, these people 264 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: sitting around. That's the scenario we're sitting in here playing 265 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: on Hollywood. It's like it's like if I were to 266 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: go to if The Bachelor and Bachelor in Bachelor in 267 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: Paradise was not on ABC but on BT. I'll be 268 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: right now, right, you may not, you know, I think 269 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: you're I was telling there just a second I think 270 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: you're awesome. I was saying that behind your back, and 271 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad it's that. Say nothing negative. I'm gonna call 272 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: you guys out. I think that it's just simply what 273 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: we gravitate towards naturally. I don't think there's nothing wrong 274 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: with that. I am in so in love with the 275 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: people that are open to different things, right, and this 276 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: goes so far beyond the Bachelor. But at the same time, 277 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: we damn sure it should have had a black Bachelor. 278 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that it should have been me. 279 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: I think I'm a phenomenal man. I said that yesterday 280 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: and my mam wad tell me and I know it 281 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: to be true. And I don't think that ABC is 282 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: wrong for not choosing me at all. I truly don't 283 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: feel that way. I think they chose the right person 284 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: for what they wanted, right. And I will say, and 285 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: I've said this to my homies, I never said it 286 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: is publicly. I said that I felt that if I 287 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: were to be the Bachelor, the ratings would go down 288 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: a little bit, but then the next year they will 289 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: go up even more because they would have captured new 290 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: audience with me. And then I had an old audience 291 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: as well, And so I don't I'm not gonna I'm 292 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: gonna disagree with you, but I don't think it's on 293 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: the fans to do that. I think as media rerun America. Yeah, 294 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: I also think that the fans were more in supportive 295 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: Mike than Peter. I really do. I think this came 296 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: down to the electoral college versus a popular vote. That 297 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: was Larry. That's a perfect similary for this. If we 298 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: didn't if we did a nationwide popular vote, which I'm 299 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: still sometimes confused, No, it wouldn't. I don't think it 300 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: would have been Tyler anymore. Sure, Yeah, okay, but I 301 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: think that if it were just between you and Peter 302 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: for a Bachelor, I think you would have won the 303 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: popular vote. But you know, there is that being they 304 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: have a storyline that they want to focus on, and 305 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that at all. Yeah, but I 306 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: do want to go back to just the racist thing 307 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: for just a second. I think it's insane how people 308 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: can like take me criticizing someone in which we criticize Ben, 309 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's part of the podcast. It would be 310 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: really really boring if we were just positive all the time. 311 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: We criticized so many contestants, but I criticized Mike, and 312 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's different than when I criticized 313 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: Kalen or it's friend than when I criticize Peter being 314 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: vanilla but then it's but then it's racist when it's 315 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: towards Mike. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the point 316 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: I was trying to make, was like, how can you 317 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: possibly jump to that conclusions? Like you guys know that 318 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm friends with Tasia and Rachel and that's just insane. Man. Yeah. 319 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: So again, I think that goes back to that's the 320 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: easiest thing to do, right. If we're all white in 321 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: this room, we would go to something else. Because I'm 322 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: the one black guy in this room. That's something easy 323 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: to talk on. And like I said, I don't know 324 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: your past. I'm hoping here not a racist. I'm not 325 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: saying that you are, right, um, but that is something 326 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: easy to speak on. It's easy, something easy to go to. 327 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: What you said been earlier was the i G follower 328 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: account and Rachel for y'all, I haven't seen Rachel in person, Brian, 329 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: I know that's she lay. She's a cutie, like straight 330 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: up like Rachel she's really cutie, and i've I am sadly, 331 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: sadly I know this that I'm the highest, I the 332 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: most followers from Batchel Nation as far as a black 333 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: male because tastious, significantly lower than people that have had 334 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: as much screen time. I've had some interesting conversations about it. 335 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: I'm called yeah, I'm sorry, mom, No, you're fine. I 336 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: wanted to bring up one point that I would love 337 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: to have you guys discussed, and and this is to 338 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: essentially defend Ashley. Even Tyler spoke about that yesterday when 339 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: I was in New York with him. He Tyler is 340 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: sexy by far. I don't he twisted, but he was. 341 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: We were talking about something. He was like, um, it's 342 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: just racism. You know. He's uh, he has two point 343 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: one million. The average black contestant probably has what hundred? Yeah? 344 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: If that, yeah, if that went further than a lot 345 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: of handful of you with over half a million. But 346 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to talk about is that if 347 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: I think it's just too I think which is very close. 348 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: So one thing is when Ashley criticized you or gave 349 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: her opinion of you, I actually think it would have 350 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: been more of a disservice if you did not give 351 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: your opinion because Mike is black, like if you censored 352 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: your thoughts, like everyone on the show should be loved 353 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: or criticized for their whatever their behavior is on the show. 354 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: If you're acting like an as cloon, you're an ask clown, 355 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: which he never has been, right, I know you're not 356 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: an ask Did you call her luke? Luke? Yeah? We 357 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: call that all day long. So therefore, and I'm missing 358 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: me helping you out. Yeah, no, I understand. Give it 359 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: to her now a people, so many white guys, so 360 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: many girls. You got to because you want to, you 361 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: know you guys, you know what I mean. It's it's 362 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: just like insane that you'd blame the color of somebody's 363 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: skin for the reason of that. Here's the thing, Uh, Mike, 364 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, Thanks for talking about We have 365 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with you. Uh. Last than that, Also, 366 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: if there were more black representation, as far as the 367 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: lead may not stick out, this will not stick out out. 368 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: And I want to talk to you about that coming 369 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: up after this break, because we're blazing new trails and 370 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 1: bastel nation year by year by year now and I 371 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: think somebody like you is going to be like be 372 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: a game changer if it's on the show or outside 373 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: of it for a lot of people. But before we 374 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: do that, let's take one break. We'll come back with 375 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: Mike Johnson on the in depth Jared and my Place 376 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: is almost done. We can't wait to show you guys 377 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: on Instagram, um how it has turned out and how 378 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: we've made my place my old place now our home together. 379 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: We did with the help of Cranton Barrel in their 380 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: private registry events. 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Try zip recruiter for free 435 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: at zip recruiter dot com, slash ben that's Zipp recruiter 436 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: dot com, slash b e in Zipp recruiter dot com, 437 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: slash ben Zipp recruiter the smartest way to hire. We 438 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: got Mike Johnson in Depth podcast. Ashley and Mike have 439 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: led into a really an incredible conversation about who I mean, 440 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: I think at the essence, who we are as humans 441 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: and how we gain support and how we feel accepted 442 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: and how we relate. Mike, I want to and I 443 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: know you have more to say, and I want to 444 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: give you just sometimes just to speak without any any 445 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: interruptions here. This year, we've seen some huge changes in 446 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: Batch nation. We've seen sex openly talked about. Uh. We've 447 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: seen Demmi uh come out in a in a same 448 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: sex relationship. And we've seen you more than ever really 449 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: pushed to be the Batchel and have a legitimate reason 450 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: to be the bachelor. He's his eyes are going, I mean, 451 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: this is something you talked about as well. I don't 452 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever tried to be a bachelor. No, No, 453 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like you should. Like you were right there, 454 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: like you're pushing to be the Bachelor. You're in the 455 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: convert station the whole time. Mike, you said something that 456 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: is incredibly brilliant to me, something I've never even thought of. 457 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: You said this this If you were the Bachelor this 458 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: next season, ratings may have dropped for that season you 459 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: think they might have, but the next season it would 460 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: have been even greater because of who they would have gained. 461 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: How do we get an audience or how do we 462 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: just get people in general to rally around new ideas 463 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: and evolve in the way that Batchel Nation needs to 464 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: evolve or just wants to evolve. But there's things restricting it. 465 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: I think that the people that are in the hands 466 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: that you need to be representative of the people that 467 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: you're trying to ascertain. It's just like the Oscars. They 468 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: the people that were writing movies were all like, oh, 469 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: white guys, and they're going to gravitate towards West Nashville 470 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: to them. Right, if you have a diverse group of 471 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: people that choose who the next lead should be, I 472 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: think you would get more of a diverse outcome. I 473 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: think you said something and I don't want to go 474 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: back that. It's just it's a powerful, powerful idea that 475 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: you would blaze that trail, that the show would have 476 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: to sacrifice this season of ratings for. It's just my hypothesis, right, 477 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. Like, this's the crazy part. Well, 478 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: we've seen in the Bachelrette. What's happened since Rachel. Ratings 479 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: have never been better. What's happened in the Bachelor since then, 480 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: ratings have never been better. Here's the deal. You told me. 481 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: You just said something before the break. You said if 482 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: I went to Atlanta, nobody would know me. I was 483 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: in Atlanta last week. Here's the crazy part and what 484 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: I love about the show. If I'm in Atlanta, which 485 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: I was last week, people do know. Not everybody. Well, 486 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: that might be different, but I was at the Marriott 487 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: Downtown and people didn't know. And I don't think that happens. 488 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: Ten years ago. I will say that m no one 489 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: and my family knew what this show was prior to 490 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: me being on the show. I have friends of every race. 491 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: They knew that what the show was. Um, we have 492 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: to have representation. It's just that simple. I mean, Rachel 493 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: was a huge push in that. I think I'll be 494 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: I would have been a great push in that as well. 495 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: But in order to be representative of America, we have 496 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: to have a huge push. When I had conversations with 497 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: Um the Hands that Be in regards to being the Bachelor, 498 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: I spoke on Eminem, right. I was like, Eminem was 499 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: the you know, he wasn't the first white rapper, but 500 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: he was like the biggest white rapper, right, And guess 501 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: what that did for hip hop? He made it even bigger. 502 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: You know what is Serena Williams do for tennis? And 503 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: it made it even bigger? Right, what a tiger would 504 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: do for golf. These are things I spoke about when 505 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: I was in that meeting. Um, it made I never 506 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: thought this way. No, No, you're blowing my mind. I've 507 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: never thought in the way that you're explaining things. And 508 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: it's and it's not your fault. I mean, it's just 509 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: we gravitate to what we know, right, Um, I remember 510 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: I was watching this one podcast. I wish I can 511 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: call him out because he did such a wonderful job. 512 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: He said, in order for us to intermingle, we have 513 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: to make sure white people are not scared of us. 514 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: And so that's why it was so big of me 515 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: just to beat me. I'm wearing my dow ragna. I'm 516 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: gonna say homie instead of friend. I'm gonna use my colloquialism. 517 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be me when on what you've been, when 518 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: on what you actually as when. I want my homies 519 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: back home, right. I want you to know me for 520 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: me instead of me trying to act how I perceive 521 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: you to act right. And I feel like when that happens, 522 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: we feel like we can bond better. And I think 523 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: that's a big thing as well. I feel like today 524 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: we are going to get to know you better. That's 525 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: the whole point of the in depth podcast. I want 526 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: to start, like back from where you're from. I know 527 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: you talked a lot about what'd you call it on 528 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. It was your mom, your grandma, your sister. 529 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: Would you call them your queen's So? Yeah, that's cute, 530 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: that's cute. Tell us a little bit about your childhood. Um, 531 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: did you grow up in Santancan Antonio? No, I just 532 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: I've been living there since right out there. Left the military, 533 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: I moved to San Antonio. I didn't want to move 534 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: back to Dallas. I'm from Grand Prairie, South Grand Paride specifically. UM, 535 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to move back there, soonly because I 536 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: know the tell you, man, I want to be and 537 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: I feel that personally, and this is like you know, 538 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: this is a message. Um, if you graduate high school 539 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: and you stay in your saying neighborhood, I don't think 540 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: that you will amount to the success that you can 541 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: if you were to move out. That's just my person 542 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: with you. And I didn't want to move back to 543 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: Grand Prairie after I left the military, and so I 544 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: chose San Antonio, came financial advisor, did some Boston you know, 545 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: tell us about your time in the military. Um, I 546 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: was cybersecurity, which is just a nerd job. Um, I 547 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: prevented hacker from hacking into our network. I was stationed 548 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: over in Portugal, and I would stationed over in England 549 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: where I met my ex prior to being on TV delay. 550 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: That broke my heart, you know, all that stuff, and 551 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: we move, man, and it broke my heart bad. Y'all. 552 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: People said I didn't cry a matter of fact, wells 553 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: sit out and cry, and so therefore that's so ignorant. 554 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: And therefore I wasn't the Bachelor because I didn't show 555 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: emotion like that. From where I'm from, we don't. It's not. 556 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: I have shown emotion, but it's not. It's not it's 557 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: gonna say more than two months for me to show 558 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: that emotion. So you're a slow grower when it comes 559 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: to fall in love. I told hint of that, definitely, 560 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: and I think that it's perfectly fine that not everyone 561 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: is the exact same when it comes to how they 562 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: feel emotionally. So do you think the process would have 563 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: been okay for you having to in two months if 564 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: you were a bachelor? I think Jojo and Jordan's he 565 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: just reproposed, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's how things work. I mean, 566 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: you find your person. If if you're able to find 567 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: your person, then you can leave the show together. Colton 568 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: and Cassie aren't married, So you think you would have proposed. 569 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: I know I'm getting back into that, but you don't 570 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: know that. Do you think that you would have proposed 571 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: if you're the bachelor? If I were to be the Bechel? Yeah, 572 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I'm thirty two years old almost, I legit. 573 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: I love love. I really I really want my thunderbuddy. 574 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: I really want you know, the sexiest thing. The coolest 575 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: thing to me is like on a Friday Saturday night 576 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: when I got my like tibit. I love sleeping naked. 577 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: I love being naked in my house. Dean happened to 578 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: the friend here, Dean, he doesn't believe in underwear. Neither 579 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: do I. I'm with it, so I just rather be 580 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: naked all day. But that's another story, another podcast. But 581 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: the coolest and the sexiest thing to me is like 582 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: on a Friday Saturday night, you know, being with your 583 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: mate and like my girl head on my chest, playing 584 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: a little chest hairs. I love stuff like that. That's 585 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: like legit. I want that. Mike, you you're a man 586 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: who obviously feels like I can tell right now if 587 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: you could. You are what we want in depth podcast, 588 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: the man to sit down and talk about some real stuff, 589 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: dig deep with us and share your heart and your emotions. So, 590 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: what has been the biggest disap wint Mint in the 591 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: last five months of this process for you? Because really 592 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: you've seen your season air in Paradise air all within 593 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: the last sit five to six months. How how has 594 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: it changed you in a good way? And then also 595 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: how is it how is it kind of pool? I 596 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: think it always changes. Just let me let me put 597 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: this in the context. I think it always changes this 598 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: in a in a good way if we're willing to 599 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: let it. But I also think it really hurts at times, 600 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: and there's also some massive disappointments, and it's not always 601 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: the most healthy, but it's still changes us because we 602 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: learn more about ourselves. What has this last six months 603 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: been like for you as a human. Well, I'm not 604 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: a tennion unemployee no more. Yeah, that's happening. I'm definitely 605 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: on my phone more often. Um, you know, I had 606 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: to lead hi my I g for a long time. 607 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: Definitely got that back. Um. I think I'll say the 608 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: one cool thing, the positive thing, which is wells your 609 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: fiance actually said this and I thought it was really awesome. 610 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: She said, going on this show, it's like a relationship 611 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: boot camp. It's something of that nature. And I think 612 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: it's true. Like I am and have been a very 613 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: slow two open up because when I opened up, I'm like, 614 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm really attached. I mean I've had one I brought 615 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: one woman home in a decade. And it's not because 616 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: I can't, No, you can find a girl because of that. 617 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: It's just because I'm I'm really I care right, and 618 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: if I open my heart to you, I take that 619 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 1: stuff incredibly serious. And so I think the positive thing 620 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: is that I'm able to open up quicker, a whole 621 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: lot quicker, like on the first day of my baby. 622 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: That's what it is. If you ain't with it, you 623 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: know bye. And I'm gonna listen to you as well. 624 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm sorry, I'm like staring at you and 625 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: not you as well. And she doesn't better than you. 626 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. 627 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: You gotta man um. But I think that's the biggest 628 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: thing is that what well well is your fiance said 629 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: going on this process definitely is a boot camp for relationships, 630 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: and I'm so much quicker to open up and be vulnerable. Um, 631 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm not wanting to cry. That's just doesn't have me. 632 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: My ex um, the only love, the only woman I've 633 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: ever said, I love you too. I didn't cry when 634 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: we broke up. I cried two and a half years 635 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: later when she said, I'm sorry, can we talk about 636 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: her for a little bit? You were together for how long? 637 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: Just like almost three years and then you guys, you 638 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: lost a baby together. What she talked about let's break 639 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: it down. Yeah, let's talk about it. Okay, here's what happened. 640 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: I think I want to I want to give you 641 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: the freedom do this. But our listeners, it's actually what 642 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: I want to, um to put it out there. Emails 643 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: have been Actually I heard in dot com if you 644 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: hear my story, you relate with my story, you want 645 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: you want to follow up whatever? When when we do 646 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: these in depths, it's actually kind of crazy. We had 647 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: chumped booth On after his break up with Kalin, and uh, 648 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: it was it was hard, like it was like brutal. 649 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: He was emotional to the whole thing. But and I 650 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: think you'll appreciate this. What the follow up from that 651 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: was incredible, Like the listeners going, I relate, I can 652 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: feel I'm not alone, And that's what these are really 653 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: meant to do, Like they're not meant for anything else. Um, Mike, 654 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: before we start talking here, I want you to give 655 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: you a second for a break, and let's take a 656 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: break ourselves. Um. It will come back with Mike Johnson 657 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: talking about some some real stuff. You've all heard me 658 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: talk about it before. You know that I've slept on 659 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: it and with it for years. I'm talking about sleep 660 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: number fall is now upon us because it seems like 661 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: in cold weather, I like to sleep on something just 662 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: a little softer. That's why my sleep number right now 663 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: is just sitting around, you know, the seventies, seventy seventy 664 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: five and the summer. I like to rock. And that's 665 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: a good thing about sleep number, though. I can customize 666 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: it whenever I want. Hey, I love my sleep number bed. 667 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: It's been my favorite bed that I've ever had. It. 668 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: It's actually been my only adult bed well because I 669 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: love it so much. Why would I change from sleep 670 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: number when it is the best thing ever. It's also 671 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: the hundredth year of the NFL. More than eight NFL 672 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: players are now sleeping on sleep number beds, improving their 673 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: game with better sleep. Sleep and performance is key. Hey, 674 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: A sleep number quality bed helps you with performance on 675 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: or I guess if you're not and enough athlete off 676 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: the field. I wake up every morning feeling refreshed. Uh, 677 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, on on any hotel beds, or if I 678 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: sleep on my couch, I wake up feeling stiff, sore, 679 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: quite frankly old. 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Sleep Number is the official sleep 689 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: and wellness partner of the NFL. You'll only find Sleep 690 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: Number at one of their six hundred Sleep Number stores nationwide. 691 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: Find the one nearest to you at sleep number dot 692 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: com slash ben. That's sleep number dot com slash Ben. 693 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: We're back with Mike Johnson. Mike, before I kind of 694 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: rudely interrupted you, but needed to UM just for the 695 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: sake of the podcast. You're gonna share some stuff that 696 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: I think our listeners UM will relate with and want 697 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: to hear. UM. I want to give you the freedom, 698 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: just do it. You're you're on your way. The question 699 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: that actually asked was, Hey, you had a pass face 700 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: of the middle lot to you. UM. During that UH, 701 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: there was a child that was lost and you talked 702 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: about on The Bachelor at and you're gonna talk about 703 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: it now. Well, I thank you, uh some my X 704 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: and I met over. I just came from a deployment 705 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: and I was stationed at r F leg heath Over 706 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: in England. And it was the day at the fourth 707 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: of July two thousand and thirteen, and I I had UM. 708 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: I went out that night to the club and I 709 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: spoke to this lady and at like thirty minutes talking 710 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: to her, and she said, hey, you speak to my daughter. 711 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: But come to find out, I had already gotten her 712 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: daughter's phone number. Um. And so I fellas get the 713 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: moms approval first, got you and U uh. The young 714 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: lady and I we scheduled a date and I no call, 715 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: no showed on the date. Not good, not good at 716 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: her at all. Um. And it's funny because I remember writing, Uh, 717 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: I wrote a letter to God, per se and I said, 718 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: I want the hard road up. I wrote a poem, 719 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: that's what it was. And it was to no one 720 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: but God. Because I was twenty five and I had 721 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: been acting as if I was a rock star, you know, 722 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: from like a young child to about twenty five years old. 723 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm just done with that. I 724 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: want the sweet things in life. White, you know, put 725 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: your head on my chest and let's just chill out. 726 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: You know, you burped my face and eat ice cream 727 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: and let's you know, I like it. You seven tones? 728 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: What's up? Um? And so after I know called her 729 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: no shoulder on the date, you know, we started talking 730 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: or whatever. And then I was supposed to go. I 731 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: was supposed to leave the military and go back to America. 732 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: And she's very, very prideful, and she is extremely independent. 733 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: And I remember putting like the money in it for 734 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: a ticket inside of her shoe, and she says she 735 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: wanted to go to America with me. I didn't ask 736 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: her to because that's like a huge to say, hey Ben, 737 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: leave your life and come live with me in Texas, right, 738 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: And so she came with me. We had two separate 739 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: departments just because we had only known each other for 740 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: three months, and she moved to America with me, and 741 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to like marry this woman, so I felt 742 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: that we didn't need to be living together even thought 743 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: want to marry her, but I wanted to like do 744 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: with what I felt was the right way. And so 745 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: then like there's something called tech school. I'm not als 746 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,479 Speaker 1: every leadership school. I went to that and we moved 747 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: in together and everything is beautiful, blissful. I got a 748 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: damn cat. I don't even like cats. Sacrificing Sumo Sumo 749 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,919 Speaker 1: Cinnamon Toast. Did you end up loving the cat? Oh? 750 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: He the cat, Sumo, that's his name. He loves me 751 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: more than her like de serious. I wish you can 752 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: call him right now. She'll tell the truth. His name 753 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: is Sumo Cinnamon Toast. He has Mr. Toast is his surname. 754 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: And yes, I love Sumo, and we had um we 755 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: became pregnant, and on the show, I told the truth. 756 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: I told Hannah that I wasn't there for the miscarriage, 757 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: but people kind of went off on me. But I 758 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't get to elaborate because quite honestly, 759 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: that's between me my ex. But I'll say, so my 760 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: ex and I had a miscarriage, and and I ain't 761 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna do it. So my ex and I had a miscarriage. 762 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: And I really try to keep my pinky promises. So actually, 763 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: if I keep it pinky promise with you, I'm gonna 764 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: keep it, and I'll keep you pinky pinky promise with you, 765 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: I'll keep it. The only pinky problems I've never kept 766 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: my entire thirty one years of life is to my 767 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: exes mom when she said can I get her some 768 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: jalapeno poppers from the store. I didn't pick him up. 769 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: And I still remember that like to this day. Like 770 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: I was like eight years ago almost and my best 771 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: friend who lives in England, he was coming to Houston 772 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: and we lived in San Antonio at the time, and 773 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: I asked my ex fellas message right here about to 774 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: give it to you. I asked my ex baby, can 775 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: I go to Houston for a day and she said yes, Fellas. 776 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: When your ladies say yes, she means no, guy. And 777 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know that lesson at the time, and so 778 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: I left. I literally was gone for maybe maybe thirty hours. 779 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: He came back and I wasn't there for That's what 780 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: I mean by that. The show made it seemed like 781 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: you weren't there for her, like emotionally. No, She'll tell 782 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: you I was there for emotionally and that you just 783 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: said like I wasn't there currently physically in that moment, Yeah, 784 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: we lost our we lost our child. I was there 785 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: for when we lost our child, but like through the 786 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: grieving process, which is it. It's a very serious thing. 787 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: And I literally was gone left on a Saturday, came 788 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: back on a Sunday. What Yeah, Mike, I know we're 789 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: gonna have listeners that relate with this, like this is 790 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: a hunt from a from a supporter's perspective, like your perspective, 791 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 1: and then also from a woman carrying the child. What 792 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: was the grieving process? Like, if you if you don't 793 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: mind trying to explain it so that people out there 794 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: listening to go, yeah, they're there with me. Um, So 795 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm like kind of shaking. I think that, for one, 796 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: the grieving process is different for everyone. It doesn't matter 797 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: your gender. I think it's different for everyone. Um. From 798 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: my ex I feel that everyone knows I want children, 799 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: Like my ultimately go in life is to build my 800 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: future children at treehouse. Um, more than money, more than 801 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: it is anything. That's what I want to do. That's 802 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: that's for damn sure gonna happen. And she knew that 803 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: and she didn't want to have children, but then we 804 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: got together. She said, I'll be a great father, and 805 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: so she wanted to have kids. And I think that 806 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: The biggest thing was her not she didn't feel like 807 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: she was a woman, you know, because she I'm like shaking. 808 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: The biggest thing was she didn't feel like she was 809 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: good enough for me because she felt as if she 810 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: couldn't have children. And I want to tell her and 811 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: everyone else out there that your man loves you, like 812 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: if you have a miscarriage, I love you, like it's 813 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: it's okay, right, just communicate. And my ex really didn't 814 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: communicate that to me at all. But also I was 815 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: an ignorant guy. Guys, we are stupid, sorry then and uh, 816 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: at the time, I wasn't experiencing relationships, and so I 817 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: didn't truly know how to communicate with her either. I 818 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: literally became a perfect gentleman like and it's annoying. When 819 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: you become a perfect gentleman like, it really is annoying. 820 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: And that's what I did. And because I didn't know 821 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: what else to do. I mean, I'm asking my mom, 822 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: her mom, my grandma, my sister, you know, um, what 823 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: to do um. And it just didn't work. But what 824 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: she told me two and a half years later, and 825 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: that's when I cried. I broke up with her after 826 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: like maybe eleven months after, eleve months after Yeah, let's 827 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: before you get there. I just want to say, what 828 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,919 Speaker 1: did it? What was the relation like between the time 829 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: that the miscarriage happened in the end, was that was 830 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: that a fact of that affected things? So I think, 831 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 1: first of all, communications the beast thing. I don't let's 832 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,919 Speaker 1: let's disagree. That's okay, right, let me. I remember telling 833 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: my ex, um, I said, let's do it feel me. So, 834 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: my ex and I've spoken since the show. Eric. She 835 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: watched the show and it was a very hard time. 836 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,919 Speaker 1: When that episode aired, I called her, um tone knows 837 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: this except for the homie, so y'all know this, um So. 838 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: I definitely called it and reached out to her, and 839 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: it was a sad moment for us. And basically what 840 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: she told me was she didn't know how to She 841 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: didn't she know how to talk to me because she 842 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,479 Speaker 1: felt like she had failed almost And I just looked 843 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: at her and was like, everything that you go through, 844 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: I just wanted to be there with you. I don't 845 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: care if you went through the toughest in the world. 846 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: I want to be right there with you. And I 847 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: think so many people need to know that. In a relationship. 848 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: When someone loves you, I don't care what it is. 849 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: I don't care if you I remember joking about this 850 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 1: to my friends that like when I fall in love, 851 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 1: if you cheated on me, I'm still donna love you. 852 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: I don't fall in love easily, so I'm still gonna 853 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: love you. Now your has been not cheating on me, 854 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: but like, I'm still in love you. And so I 855 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: think that was a big learning lesson for us. For 856 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: me because I need to know how to make a 857 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: good environment for you to feel that comfortable, right, And 858 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: I think for her it needed to be that she 859 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,479 Speaker 1: can be open and communicated with me and know that 860 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna love her even more because we went through 861 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: a traumatic experience together in comparison to going through a 862 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: traumatic experience separately, but the exact same experience. And so 863 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what happened. We live in We 864 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: stayed in two separate rooms for a while. Like I said, 865 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: I'll sleep naked. That's like the only rule in my house. 866 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 1: You feel me and no sleep naked, And so we will. 867 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: We will be sleeping naked in bed, but like we 868 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 1: want to, I'm gonna cuddle. I'm like I like to cuddle. 869 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,959 Speaker 1: You know, we wouldn't hold each other. That sounds so corny, 870 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: but it's true. We wouldn't hold each other, and we 871 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: want to have sex. Um. And it wasn't because of religion. 872 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: It wasn't because of we're upstaining from sex. I think 873 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: she just felt as if it could happen again, that 874 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: she could become pregnant again, even though she was on 875 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: birth control. And it was just a lot of mental 876 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: things going on. And I've learned so much and I 877 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: love her so much for helping me to grow in 878 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: that area. And m I actually took classes, like since 879 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: I've been single, like I legit want to be a 880 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: phenomenal husband, and I've taken classes on how to communicate 881 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: because communication is different than effective communication. Right. Um, I 882 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: can say, Ben, I think you're tall. That's a terrible example. 883 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go further, um, but just communication different 884 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: than effective communication. And while I was on the bachelorte, 885 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: I wasn't there for her going back to that for 886 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: like thirty hours max. During that grieving period and uh, 887 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: like shaking, this don't happen to me, feel me, um, 888 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what happened. I broke up with her 889 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: because communication was nolan void and there will be months 890 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: where we didn't have sex. And I don't cheat. I 891 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 1: refused cheat, and I desired communication and I desired sex 892 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: quite honestly, So you came back, um man, thanks for 893 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: sharing that. By the way, thank you just for us here, 894 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: but for the people listening. You've just totally opened your heart. 895 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 1: Ben Are you crying? Yeah, I know, it's just like 896 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 1: so emotional. So the thing is, then you get off 897 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: the show, you call her. You guys talked this through 898 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: and you said you cried once in your life when 899 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: she said she was sorry. What lever that? Now? So 900 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: I've cried three times? Right, You've cried three times in 901 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: your whole life this morning, you know, outside of getting 902 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: whoopings with my grandma's. So like, as an adult, you've 903 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 1: cried three times altogether. I'll cried once when Selena died, Selena. 904 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 1: When Selena died, it's four or something. I cried. I 905 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: cried on Selena, and then I cried the other two 906 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 1: times with my ex. The first time was when I 907 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: cried tears of joy, Like I don't know if y'all 908 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: felt that tears of happiness happened. I was with my 909 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: homeboy in England and he was making us like some 910 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,399 Speaker 1: sun days, right, and it was me and my ex 911 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 1: and she was sitting on my lap. Um, and I 912 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: just broke down just because I was happy. I just 913 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: felt love. I had my best homie with me, my brother, 914 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: and I had my the woman I wanted to marry, 915 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 1: and there was nothing else more one in life. And 916 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: so I cried. And then the second time I cried 917 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: was when of two and a half years after we 918 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 1: broke up. Um, you know how you try to rekindle 919 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: things like I was going to ask, right, So we've 920 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: been broken up like five years now or whatever, almost 921 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,720 Speaker 1: like two and a half years after she would seeming 922 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 1: like one text like four months straight. Oh man, she triffic. 923 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,879 Speaker 1: So I go to visit her. I want to visit 924 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 1: her like five times. Um. The first time I want 925 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: to go visit her, we watched a girls trip. She's 926 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,839 Speaker 1: still living in the States. Yeah, she lives in Arizona. Now. 927 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: In my first off, my grandma, my queen, she pissed 928 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 1: me off. It's good for people. My grandma had my 929 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: exes back, my ex tell my grandma my exlide in 930 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: my face, I said. She said she talked about doing 931 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,240 Speaker 1: a job interview, and I said, oh, um, like awesome. 932 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: She's like, I gotta fly to Arizona and like I 933 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: watered up, and I'm like, you're moving to Arizona and 934 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: she's like, no, just the job interviews in Arizona. I 935 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: knew she was lying, but you know, when you love someone, 936 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: you just like you become stupid, right, And my grandma 937 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: she told my grandma, and my grandma kept that secret 938 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: from me. So whoever, my future wife is just no, 939 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: you can trust my grandma for sure. And um, what 940 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,839 Speaker 1: was she played there? Is? What? What? What was the count? 941 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: Took a job? She took a job? Yeah, because like 942 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, when you break up with somebody, let's say 943 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: you meet you and I are together being in uh, 944 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, I'll be the sexy one of our relationship. 945 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: You know, we break check yourself. If we met in 946 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: Vegas and like broke him in Vegas, you know, it 947 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: maybe hard for whatever, so you might leave that city 948 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: or whatever. So she decided, you know, I feel it. 949 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,240 Speaker 1: I agree with her, and so she moved to Arizona. 950 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 1: But when I was in Arizona, we had watched girls trip. 951 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: We had a fantastic evening and we're literally on a 952 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 1: ride home. I never forget this. We were driving her 953 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: Mini Cooper, which people to have Mini Coopers. I love, 954 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: y'all because it's like a it's like a cult, like 955 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: Mini Cooper Colt and they go fast to it's the 956 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: nerd cult. Hey, it's a dope quote, but disagree anyway. 957 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't have a Mini Cooper, but we were. We 958 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: were just driving. It was perfectly quiet, and then all 959 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 1: of a sudden, she just said, I'm sorry, and I 960 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: could cry now, like tears, just I've never cried so 961 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: profusely my entire life. And we pulled over on the 962 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: side of the road and I don't know how long 963 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: we embraced, but the police came first off, talking about racism. Right, 964 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,439 Speaker 1: thank god I was in the passenger seat. Thank god 965 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: she was. She was crying too, And I mean, just 966 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 1: think about that context, right, two people in the car crying. 967 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: It's like one in the morning, two in the morning 968 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. I could have been taken totally different, right, 969 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,080 Speaker 1: But I own a passenger seat, and it please come 970 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,280 Speaker 1: up and they're like, is everything okay? And she's like, yeah, whatever. 971 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: So they left, but like it was, I cried, like 972 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: straight up crazy tears. I mean, never before ever felt that. 973 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: And I am an emotional person. But I'm sorry that. 974 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sorry because I'm not gonna just fall for anybody. 975 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 1: My love is deep. He felt what. I don't think 976 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: it's get sick of it, you said. I just felt that. 977 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 1: So I cried, But I don't know what it is 978 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: that I felt closure. Okay, I felt that. You know, 979 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,399 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to. I don't care. I 980 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 1: was a damn good dude in that relationship, and I 981 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: was like when we broke up. When I broke up 982 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 1: with her, I didn't work for ten months, Like I 983 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,839 Speaker 1: didn't leave my house except for one day a week 984 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: two get groceries, like I grew my hair out, like 985 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,879 Speaker 1: my hair was long. Um, I didn't leave my house. 986 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: I got super skinny. Um. I think two people came 987 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 1: to visit me in that ten months frame. Literally, I 988 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: I was a prisoner of like this. I never said 989 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: this to anybody outside of Holmies. Right. Um, when we 990 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,360 Speaker 1: broke up, I legit ten months was in my apartment 991 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,720 Speaker 1: and I was financially blessed, and so I just paid 992 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: my bills came out and I just my TV was 993 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,400 Speaker 1: not on. I wake up, going the living room and 994 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: sit on the couch and just be, Um, you broke 995 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: up with her. I'm not following. Yeah, but I broke 996 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,879 Speaker 1: up with her. I think that she ain't gonna happy. 997 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 1: I said this, but I think that she wanted me 998 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,359 Speaker 1: to break up with her. Um. But I'm gonna take 999 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: the blame and just say I broke over her on 1000 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,880 Speaker 1: my own volition. Um for the reason I spoke up earlier, 1001 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: which were we weren't having sex months only at a time, 1002 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: and there was absolutely zero communication. And she said I 1003 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,279 Speaker 1: was perfect, and I'm like, I'm not perfect. So she 1004 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 1: was say, you're really good. I'm like, what the hell 1005 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: is the problem? And she couldn't answer, So I kinda 1006 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: I gave her ultimatum, which is the terrible thing to do. 1007 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,440 Speaker 1: Learn that lesson as well. And but yeah, so when 1008 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,879 Speaker 1: we broke up, I had I was at Malley lower 1009 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: her like, she's the only woman in a decade, bro 1010 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: that's met my mom, right in a decade, and you know, 1011 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm about to be thirty two. Hasn't no one other know, 1012 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,879 Speaker 1: other woman's met my mom since I was twenty years old, 1013 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: and so for whoever you know, I'm in a relationship. 1014 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 1: Next and you mean my mom. That's when I take 1015 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 1: that very seriously. My sister and my grandma as well, 1016 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: and my father too, And so yeah, I didn't. I 1017 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: literally was growing out my hair and my hair was nappy. 1018 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,360 Speaker 1: I was like grizzly faced. Um didn't work when I 1019 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,320 Speaker 1: went back to the when I went back to the workforce, 1020 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: I after the interview, I ran outside and threw up 1021 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,840 Speaker 1: because I hadn't been around people like you see my 1022 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 1: personal I don't give a damn right, but like I 1023 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: hadn't been around people, so I was that I was 1024 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: like isolated from life. I was basically a prisoner of 1025 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: my own depression. How concerned were the queens during this time? Um? 1026 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,120 Speaker 1: So I text, right, I'm not I don't really, this 1027 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: is something I'm working. This is one of my goals 1028 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 1: in life, just to be a better at calling. Like 1029 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,560 Speaker 1: I text my mom like a few days ago, I 1030 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,360 Speaker 1: was like, Mom, I'm in l A. I'm gonna go 1031 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,560 Speaker 1: to New York time. I want to Vegas. So she 1032 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: knows where I'm at, Like, but my my family knows. 1033 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm not one to I mean, I was in the military, 1034 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: I was living overseas for like five years. I'm I'm 1035 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,480 Speaker 1: not want to call you every day, Unles, You're my girl. 1036 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,799 Speaker 1: That's just my personality. So my Queen's I would text him, 1037 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,439 Speaker 1: but I would probably I probably lied and said I'm good, 1038 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, prideful, stupid. Two things here. One is it 1039 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: amazes me every time. Here's here's another part of why 1040 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 1: In Depth started. Because when you hear somebody's stories, you 1041 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,279 Speaker 1: can't help but love them, right. I mean, it's just 1042 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,080 Speaker 1: that's that's a universal statement that I think everybody could 1043 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,879 Speaker 1: take the heart. Once you know somebody's stories, you can't 1044 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: help but love them because you know them. Um, it's 1045 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 1: makes sense to me more than ever. I liked you 1046 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,759 Speaker 1: because you were the good looking, offinite dude who was 1047 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,200 Speaker 1: himself on the Bachelorette. I love you now because of 1048 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: the pain and shared suffering that we've had together on 1049 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,560 Speaker 1: this podcast. The things that you said that I can 1050 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 1: relate with, the things that you said that I can't 1051 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,600 Speaker 1: relate with yet it can. It can teach me, And 1052 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense and ever why Bachelor 1053 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,240 Speaker 1: Nation is so drawn to you as just a human black, 1054 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,000 Speaker 1: white male female, just as a human man. You've been 1055 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,080 Speaker 1: through some stuff that's led you to this point now, 1056 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: and the difference you're gonna make in this world is 1057 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,279 Speaker 1: something that I'm so pumped to follow and be watch 1058 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: and watch. Um, Mike, I want to just thank you 1059 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,319 Speaker 1: from the depths of my heart, like the as best 1060 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,879 Speaker 1: I can to say thanks for sharing yourself and and 1061 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: on behalf of the listeners out there thank you as well, 1062 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: because I know somebody's gonna listen to this to be 1063 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,920 Speaker 1: like that's me. Um. I want to switch gears here 1064 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: if that's okay with you, and talk about your current 1065 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: dating life. And then Ashley always does this thing at 1066 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: the end of every in depth podcast, which is a 1067 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,839 Speaker 1: rapid fire fun questions that she loved. But before we do, 1068 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,719 Speaker 1: I want to sit in this moment for a second, Mike, 1069 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,439 Speaker 1: because I don't want to just overpass it and say 1070 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,799 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, man, thank you. And can I just 1071 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,520 Speaker 1: say that from first impression to a very deep impression, 1072 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I am now very I don't want to 1073 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 1: offend Peter, but like it's upsetting that we don't get 1074 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: to see more of you on the show because we 1075 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: have just gotten to know you so well and like 1076 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: you're so soulful and you're such a romantic and I've 1077 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: just been captivated by you today. Hey, the Bachelor is 1078 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,880 Speaker 1: not the last last thing I know, but like now 1079 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,720 Speaker 1: it's like we all get it. If if this was 1080 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: aired and we had fans listening to this before, they decided, 1081 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: like they'd be getting very angry emails, like more than 1082 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,520 Speaker 1: they are right now. All right again, if you're listening 1083 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 1: and you just want a friend uh to hear you 1084 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 1: out emails have been Ashley, I heard me dot com, 1085 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 1: hashtag almost famous podcast, um, or just hit up Mike 1086 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 1: Johnson on some social media platform and say thank you 1087 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 1: because we know you're listening. Uh, I can't say something 1088 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 1: so like, um, I learned about self love and the 1089 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,960 Speaker 1: power of that because and winning a relationship. I can't 1090 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 1: help you with your loving of yourself, and so I 1091 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,640 Speaker 1: learned that in previous relationships. And so for all the listeners. 1092 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: If you're having anything in regards to body positivity or 1093 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: just loving yourself or just growing your confidence, or why 1094 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,040 Speaker 1: does Mike always smile out of goddamn time? I want 1095 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: to do that more often. Hit me up. I got you. 1096 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm working on something for that too. You got it, buddy. Hey, 1097 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: thanks Mike. We'll be back with Mike after the break. UM, 1098 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: lightening up a bit talking about current name relationships and 1099 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 1: some wild rapid fire questions UM that I don't think 1100 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,440 Speaker 1: will cause controversy, but they will cause laughs. Take a break. 1101 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 1: You guys know, I get super psched, super stoked, super 1102 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: excited and talking about this sponsor. Beta Brand. They came 1103 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 1: up with a dress pant yoga pants so that you 1104 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: don't have to wear pants to work that feel like 1105 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,760 Speaker 1: work pants. 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That's Beta b E T 1145 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 1: A B R A n D dot com slash Famous, Mike, 1146 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 1: even though I do believe that our listeners are going 1147 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,919 Speaker 1: to eat up every single word that you've said, and 1148 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, just let it go and sink to their hearts, 1149 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,280 Speaker 1: I do think in the back of their minds somewhere 1150 01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 1: they're like, I cannot believe that they have teased the 1151 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Demilovano thing, and they've waited, We've waited this long to 1152 01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,600 Speaker 1: get the answer. But it would be so inappurpose to ask, 1153 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,040 Speaker 1: like in the midst of all that seriousness, Um, okay, 1154 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,880 Speaker 1: so you are pretty honest with entertainment tonight recently that 1155 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,920 Speaker 1: you did you have gone on a date with Demi. 1156 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,000 Speaker 1: I think you've hung out multiple times. You got on 1157 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,400 Speaker 1: one day, we've gone on one day o um. And 1158 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,959 Speaker 1: it all started with d M S right um, which 1159 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,160 Speaker 1: is totally fine. We're so supportive of this. We've been talked. Yeah, 1160 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:34,040 Speaker 1: we've talked, you know, racism, we talk we've talked, we've 1161 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 1: talked sex, and now we talked about bad Yeah. Maybe 1162 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,240 Speaker 1: well open here you said, Demi and I want a date. 1163 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,040 Speaker 1: That woman is quite astounding and amazing, and that's all 1164 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,880 Speaker 1: I'll say. You're getting to know each other, you say, 1165 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: and that you think she's incredibly humble, and when Demi 1166 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 1: and I are together, it's laughter. And we talked real like. 1167 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,360 Speaker 1: She's a down to earth woman and I respected so much. 1168 01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,880 Speaker 1: And she's just really humble and really cool and really 1169 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: on and really down to earth. Is there anything to 1170 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:09,920 Speaker 1: add to that list of compliments. I like her tattoos. 1171 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,120 Speaker 1: We both have a lot of tattoos. Dean has more 1172 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:22,439 Speaker 1: than me. And she kisses really well. Thanks for giving 1173 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 1: us that has she put her head on your chest 1174 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and play with the little hairs. I'm not gonna say that, 1175 01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 1: you're going I'm gonna catch it. Keep coming out up 1176 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,320 Speaker 1: so I mean, no matter what, like that Me's a 1177 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,640 Speaker 1: great girl. In fact she is. I'm getting to know 1178 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 1: her for her. How did you like the way that 1179 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 1: she was so um she was kind of the aggressor 1180 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,640 Speaker 1: in a in a nice way on Instagram she was 1181 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,720 Speaker 1: all about going after you. How did you feel about 1182 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,680 Speaker 1: the girl making the first move like that for one 1183 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,400 Speaker 1: of them? All about her too? And uh, she definitely 1184 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,800 Speaker 1: was the aggressor, you know. I find it incredibly sexy. 1185 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,880 Speaker 1: I love that, like, come at me, you want me, 1186 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,800 Speaker 1: come at me. If I want you, I'm come at you, 1187 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: and I'm coming at her as well. I really liked 1188 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,720 Speaker 1: this coupling. I really really do you call this? I 1189 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,320 Speaker 1: learned this shipping shipping. We definitely shipped this shipping. I 1190 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,360 Speaker 1: don't know what shipping was until like this, I'm learning 1191 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,200 Speaker 1: and shipping. We're shipping this thing, all right. So I'm 1192 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,640 Speaker 1: gonna go into our rapid fire questioning from there because 1193 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 1: I got some Demi related ones. So actually pull that 1194 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 1: up real quick, Mike. I want to ask you a 1195 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,480 Speaker 1: question that I told you. I want to get try 1196 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 1: to get deep again, but I do think it's weird. 1197 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,240 Speaker 1: So you are in the Demi Demi you. You're dating. 1198 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,439 Speaker 1: It's great, you're both in the public eye, you're both 1199 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 1: beloved by America. Mike, what is the feeling to have 1200 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 1: everybody asked about it then like it was and we're 1201 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 1: one of those people, like I want to know about 1202 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,439 Speaker 1: this because of the rumors and the taboys everything going off. 1203 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,680 Speaker 1: What does it feel like to you? Because it's real 1204 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:06,360 Speaker 1: for you? Astounding question. Um, be quite honest, I personally 1205 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:13,760 Speaker 1: don't like it. I I am very private with my relationships, 1206 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,000 Speaker 1: like straight up, but I mean I'm in this. She's 1207 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,960 Speaker 1: been in this light and that's why I said, she's 1208 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,720 Speaker 1: so humble and I think the world of her because 1209 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,480 Speaker 1: like she's been able to have to deal with this 1210 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,160 Speaker 1: crap like I can't even imagine from her perspective, from 1211 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,600 Speaker 1: your fiancee's perspective as well. Just put crazy you're putting 1212 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,000 Speaker 1: out else. Um, I personally don't care to talk about 1213 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,680 Speaker 1: you know what I do behind closed doors. I'm a gentleman. 1214 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna kiss until I might not be a 1215 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:50,720 Speaker 1: gentleman of her always. But actually said earlier, Mike's is 1216 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,200 Speaker 1: sexy when and I'm not well that forms like that 1217 01:05:53,320 --> 01:06:00,160 Speaker 1: that I made that I can't imagine could we go 1218 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:08,800 Speaker 1: out of your mouth? It? Yeah? What what it scares 1219 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,760 Speaker 1: me honestly, and what scares me about it is that 1220 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,440 Speaker 1: if de Me and I were not to become boyfriend girlfriend, right, Um, 1221 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,640 Speaker 1: how people perceive that, which, honestly I shouldn't give two 1222 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 1: about it, right, Um, no dispect to my you know 1223 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 1: people that follow us, Um, but that it scared me 1224 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:32,040 Speaker 1: for that reason, being quite transparent. She's a woman that 1225 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,040 Speaker 1: I treat like a regular individual. I'm a man and 1226 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,080 Speaker 1: she treats like a regular man. And we do like 1227 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 1: each other and we are getting to know each other. 1228 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,120 Speaker 1: But what if it were not meant to be? Then 1229 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,200 Speaker 1: like people are going to speculate, Oh this is that 1230 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 1: in the third right, and so I would rather not 1231 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,400 Speaker 1: have that. But at the same time, I'm gonna be 1232 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:55,000 Speaker 1: smooth criminal when I walk through this path and we 1233 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,080 Speaker 1: start our rapid fire with what is your favorite Demi 1234 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:03,280 Speaker 1: of song? Um? Were you familiar with their music? Before 1235 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,160 Speaker 1: I'll say I'll say it straight up, Um, me and 1236 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,440 Speaker 1: my homies we have not listened to a lot of 1237 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,760 Speaker 1: Demi Levato songs. And it's not because of her, it's 1238 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,560 Speaker 1: just because of the genre that's not our go to genre. Okay, 1239 01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,840 Speaker 1: well you can let her know that, um, I was 1240 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: the creep that went to seven a Cambrock tour concerts. 1241 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,240 Speaker 1: I will tell you. I will tell you that I 1242 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,160 Speaker 1: have listened to obviously a lot more of her songs now, 1243 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,080 Speaker 1: and you gotta like, I'm not gonna go further. Sorry, 1244 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,080 Speaker 1: not sorry, I know, sorry, not sorry. You gotta like, like, 1245 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,120 Speaker 1: I mean, she's got no sorry not sorry. I could 1246 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,080 Speaker 1: sing it in my head right now that we could 1247 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,120 Speaker 1: power ballad. I need to hear Scott, but sorry, not sorry. 1248 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,120 Speaker 1: It brings about what Scott Scraper does it mean? I'll 1249 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,400 Speaker 1: be honest, and I think that's why we like each other, 1250 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,480 Speaker 1: because we treat each other like you know, and you're 1251 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,480 Speaker 1: learning about each other. It's all like you automatically know 1252 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,040 Speaker 1: all these things about it. You'll be kind of weird 1253 01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:57,760 Speaker 1: if I was, like, you know, how cam is, how 1254 01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,040 Speaker 1: he'd be knowing about everybody? If I always became yeah, 1255 01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,040 Speaker 1: like if I knew everything about her, it would be 1256 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,640 Speaker 1: kind of creepy. It would never work. What is your 1257 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,800 Speaker 1: most meaningful tattoo? This whole left arm. Because it's going 1258 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,680 Speaker 1: to be just one piece, it means so many different things. 1259 01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,240 Speaker 1: It basically representation of what life is to me. I 1260 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,160 Speaker 1: guess my most meaningful one would be brief life. That's 1261 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,519 Speaker 1: my motto. Brief life to me means, uh, I can 1262 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,120 Speaker 1: say a joke about it. Firstly, it's not done, bro 1263 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,600 Speaker 1: is what it's done. But it's as chilling, so it 1264 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,920 Speaker 1: looks ugly. But brief life to me means live like 1265 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,880 Speaker 1: to the fullest. Um, the only easy day was yesterday, 1266 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,280 Speaker 1: and uh, just go out there and get it. Shut up. 1267 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,559 Speaker 1: I don't want to like hammer at homes, but on 1268 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,320 Speaker 1: my list, I said, what is your favorite tattoo of demis? 1269 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,759 Speaker 1: But you don't have to respond. I'm not gonna respond. 1270 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:50,519 Speaker 1: I like to breathe life. That hit me, hit my soul. 1271 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,400 Speaker 1: I do know what my favorite tattoo of hers is 1272 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,639 Speaker 1: hers is, but I won't say it. That's sweet too. 1273 01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,160 Speaker 1: We just like hearing that. Um, what's your favorite movie? 1274 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,439 Speaker 1: On the plane ride from San Antonio here, I just 1275 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:09,639 Speaker 1: watched Casino again, like old gangster movies. I love Yo 1276 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,479 Speaker 1: Appuccino Dude is like Robert de Niro. They're freaking terrific 1277 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,519 Speaker 1: that they're coming out with a new mode. Yes, and 1278 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,320 Speaker 1: I cannot wait come out later this year. Right, Yeah, 1279 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,920 Speaker 1: apparently they're like digitizing their faces like younger because they 1280 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 1: do that with a Will Smith movie as well. Gemini 1281 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,719 Speaker 1: shout out the Gemini, you know, make sure you pay 1282 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,240 Speaker 1: them and almost famous for that shout out. We're gonna 1283 01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:31,760 Speaker 1: have one more shout out if you're on the next 1284 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,840 Speaker 1: plane ride. Um, my favorite movie, because you asked, Mike, 1285 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,280 Speaker 1: and I should answer, because that's just I don't know 1286 01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,519 Speaker 1: if I like I need to is the biggest little 1287 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:44,320 Speaker 1: farm on all Delta flights? Amazing movie. I've seen it. 1288 01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,200 Speaker 1: I've seen it. Mike. You want to cry for the 1289 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:52,080 Speaker 1: fourth time in your life watching Fairy Show right now? 1290 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,400 Speaker 1: Power though Power favorite? Never heard of It wasn't on 1291 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 1: Power is Amazing, It's on Showtime. Okay. Your favorite band 1292 01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:05,840 Speaker 1: music artists? My favorite musical artist. So I asked this 1293 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,080 Speaker 1: question the other day. If you got to kill three 1294 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 1: of these people, well we got to kill one, and 1295 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,080 Speaker 1: out of three of these, who would you kill Drake, 1296 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,360 Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar or j Cole. That's easy for me, but 1297 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,240 Speaker 1: I can't answer. Can we say, like we see one 1298 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,479 Speaker 1: of them has to go out of the room. I 1299 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,400 Speaker 1: don't want to kill him. They have to go. Drake easy, 1300 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,759 Speaker 1: Drake easy easy. I think that. But Drake makes songs 1301 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,320 Speaker 1: bro like, he can make songs that never been bigger. 1302 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:33,840 Speaker 1: With J Cole is playing on my ear. You gotta 1303 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:35,600 Speaker 1: be deep when you wouldn't listen to J Cole. You 1304 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 1: can't be like happy, go lucky all the time with 1305 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,720 Speaker 1: J Cole and Kendrick. Yeah, I think that Drake has more. 1306 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,360 Speaker 1: He's more versatile, even though in that list, Kendrick is 1307 01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,679 Speaker 1: my favorite because he does like who who would you send? Yeah, 1308 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,040 Speaker 1: that's a hard one home. That's why the bottom line 1309 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,880 Speaker 1: is those are his three artists. No, no, my favorite 1310 01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,200 Speaker 1: artists right now outside of Demi is going to be 1311 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:05,160 Speaker 1: uh Sabrina Claudio. I think she's amazing her, She's amazing. Um. 1312 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,479 Speaker 1: I like my girl named, I like like R and B, 1313 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,160 Speaker 1: like these new R and B artists like Janine and 1314 01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,960 Speaker 1: the mixtape. She go hard, like I'll pull out my 1315 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,400 Speaker 1: phone right now. Alabama shakes, they go hard. You guys 1316 01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:19,000 Speaker 1: add this to your Spotify. What was the most embarrassing 1317 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,639 Speaker 1: moment of your life? You don't have to get deep 1318 01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:27,800 Speaker 1: here so many times, like I'm I just thought it 1319 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,000 Speaker 1: was the most embarrassing. My sister had um for me 1320 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 1: put my my pants failed in Oh, I was on 1321 01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:38,559 Speaker 1: a date. I'll say this. When I was on a 1322 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,120 Speaker 1: date and um, my car didn't started. Like we went 1323 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,479 Speaker 1: to a gas station and like my card and start up. 1324 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,280 Speaker 1: No more but see ID smooth though, So I was like, 1325 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,120 Speaker 1: I was like beaging my card and I told her. 1326 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,040 Speaker 1: I told her, unstroke the card and started. I was like, 1327 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:55,960 Speaker 1: let's let's go for a walk. That's cute. My last 1328 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,960 Speaker 1: question because I'm I'm being told that we need to 1329 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,360 Speaker 1: wrap it up. What is the first thing you notice 1330 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:05,360 Speaker 1: about a woman that draws you to her? Two different questions. Okay, 1331 01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,160 Speaker 1: what is the first thing? There? They are, Okay, tell 1332 01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,120 Speaker 1: them both. Okay, the first thing that the first thing 1333 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,679 Speaker 1: that I noticed about a woman. So like, when we're 1334 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,679 Speaker 1: in paradise, if you got your feet out, I'm gonna 1335 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 1: look at your feet, your feet that I'm so glad 1336 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,479 Speaker 1: I asked this question because that is truly a unique answer, Like, yeah, 1337 01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:21,840 Speaker 1: if you don't think it is, you've got a lot 1338 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,400 Speaker 1: of toast. No, I am not a toe sucker, I 1339 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,439 Speaker 1: be I am. I'm definitely a freaking in bedroom. But 1340 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 1: toasucking I've never done. Okay, I don't know I do. 1341 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,080 Speaker 1: That's the thing. Oh god, I just think no, But 1342 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,800 Speaker 1: what drawing me to a woman is like what Demi did, 1343 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,479 Speaker 1: and that confidence and that sessionist and just speaking is wrong. 1344 01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,000 Speaker 1: I knew. So this is what I love about Ashley. 1345 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: I knew that she would know some Demilvado songs like 1346 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,160 Speaker 1: even without even copy for this, and that she could 1347 01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,519 Speaker 1: literally prep them into the conversation like this, like I 1348 01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,800 Speaker 1: love a confident woman, and she sings the Confidence song 1349 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 1: by the bot She's confident. I love it. Actually, anything else, um, 1350 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the feat thing is really funny. My sister 1351 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,439 Speaker 1: was convinced that Jared um wasn't with me for two 1352 01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,639 Speaker 1: and a half years because of my Bunnians. Wait till 1353 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,240 Speaker 1: you take a look at my feet tomorrow on the hills. 1354 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm good. Hey, Mike, we'd love you, man, Thank you 1355 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,599 Speaker 1: so much. I promise you, bud uh just we really 1356 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you and I want you to feel that. Tonight, 1357 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,360 Speaker 1: let's celebrate here at the Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas 1358 01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,840 Speaker 1: at I Heart Music Festival to That's nineteen Mike, Thanks 1359 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,960 Speaker 1: a lot, man, Let's do it. Everybody. Make sure you 1360 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,360 Speaker 1: make some smiles today. Honestly, what a wonderful experience. This 1361 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,439 Speaker 1: has been Hey, thank you playing on Hollywood, and thank 1362 01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:45,240 Speaker 1: you shake shack for dinner. It's tasty. Oh yeah, actually 1363 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,839 Speaker 1: I had breakfast shake shack this morning at the airport. 1364 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,640 Speaker 1: It's a day of shake Shack. It's a day of 1365 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,280 Speaker 1: Planet Hollywood. Diana has his mustache back and just saying, hey, 1366 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,840 Speaker 1: make sure if you guys are interested, because everybody's freaking 1367 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,080 Speaker 1: out right now. If you want some shake shack, is 1368 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,720 Speaker 1: it a store or go to shake shack dot com 1369 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:07,599 Speaker 1: or the shaik You should you should like dance when 1370 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,920 Speaker 1: you say the shack out. I kind of feel like, hey, guys, 1371 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,439 Speaker 1: follow our lead, Mike. We do this every time I've 1372 01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:17,960 Speaker 1: been I've been Ashley, I've been Mike Johnson. That's right, buddy, 1373 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,320 Speaker 1: See you guys. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost 1374 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,559 Speaker 1: Famous podcasts on I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever you 1375 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:25,640 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts.