Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What
Speaker 1: You Did.
Speaker 2: My name is Millie to Jericho.
Speaker 3: I'm Daniel Henderson, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're here with y'all. Last couple laps.
Speaker 3: How you feeling feeling good?
Speaker 4: I'm very dark today. I'm in a closet recording. Oh
Speaker 4: at my new place. So hopeful that your bedroom, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but hopefully. This just sounds like a voice from the dark.
Speaker 4: I'm like ragged sounding today. I didn't even do anything
Speaker 4: fun last night. You're hungover, but I didn't do anything
Speaker 4: fun last night.
Speaker 2: Big reveal, I'm hungover today.
Speaker 1: You look like you You look like you were in
Speaker 1: you were This is like a movie about you having
Speaker 1: an extramarital fair, and it's like the morning after where
Speaker 1: you've been processed saying like what are you going to do?
Speaker 2: Like are we going to tell the husband? Or you know,
Speaker 2: like the soft betting.
Speaker 3: There's like a soft.
Speaker 1: Betting behind you and you're kind of like front. It's
Speaker 1: like front of camera, So.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna reveal all And the answer is yes, Fuck everybody,
Speaker 4: I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: I'm kidding.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we it looks like we've both had
Speaker 2: a night.
Speaker 4: I think that's what I mean that I had an
Speaker 4: old person night of just ragged sleep and now my
Speaker 4: glasses are fogging up on the bottom, yeah, which means
Speaker 4: like my face is really hot for some reason. So yeah,
Speaker 4: we both were both in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I decided to go out last night, very
Speaker 1: last minute. I had, actually I have a lot of
Speaker 1: responsibilities that I needed to attend to, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I should just stay home and like, you know, prepare
Speaker 1: for things that I'm doing, and you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, just get the like get the week started early,
Speaker 1: which is so sad because it's like, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: anytime I use like a weekend to prepare for the
Speaker 1: next week, it makes me want.
Speaker 3: To I know, I'm alive myself, you know, I know,
Speaker 3: so I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, God, what is my life? But then at the
Speaker 1: last minute I decided to go out because I'm friends
Speaker 1: of mine were like where are you?
Speaker 3: Where are you? Which is.
Speaker 1: I cave to that very quickly.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you do.
Speaker 1: If somebody calls and is like where are you at?
Speaker 3: Where are you at?
Speaker 1: How come you're not here? I bet you you don't
Speaker 1: leave the house. I bet you just stay like a
Speaker 1: normal life stay.
Speaker 4: If someone is like, where are you at, it's usually
Speaker 4: nighttime and I'm usually I'm ready for bed at six pm.
Speaker 4: Let's just say that, like, you got to get me
Speaker 4: early in the day if you want me to go
Speaker 4: out at night, if you want to like where you're at?
Speaker 3: Where you at?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm I'm where I'm supposed to be. I'm home, yeah,
Speaker 4: and ready for bed. My night routine is done, the
Speaker 4: retainer is in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I don't know that's that's country Danielle. City Danielle
Speaker 4: might be a different person. If someone's like where you
Speaker 4: at it, you know, eight o'clock, I might be able
Speaker 4: to rally, but usually I stay home because I live
Speaker 4: in the woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and this is the thing too, is so like
Speaker 1: I just I think I'm just very you know, I
Speaker 1: have a little bit of fomo in me. Where somebody's
Speaker 1: like where are you?
Speaker 2: You're missing the greatest type of old type.
Speaker 1: And if especially if it's like multiple people, like if
Speaker 1: it's multiple friends at the same thing and they'll text you,
Speaker 1: I get so I'm like, fine, I'll just fucking get
Speaker 1: out of my pajamas. But I will say this, it
Speaker 1: doesn't now. I just kind of go as is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing pajamas, but I'm also like not putting
Speaker 1: on the ritz.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was funny because in my twenties I was
Speaker 1: always like out and I would see sometimes a middle
Speaker 1: aged person, mostly men, who just looked like disheveled, like
Speaker 1: guys in like their car heart outfits, like I don't
Speaker 1: know if they just came from work or whatever, and
Speaker 1: they were not like they were the only person in
Speaker 1: the club that wasn't like kind of dressed up in
Speaker 1: some kind of way, Like they just looked like they
Speaker 1: came off the factory line or you know. And now
Speaker 1: I know why.
Speaker 3: Because their friends dragged them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had fomo as a middle aged person decided
Speaker 1: to just go out because they wanted to experience whatever
Speaker 1: it was. But they didn't want to get ready or anything.
Speaker 1: They were just like I'm just gonna wear my fucking
Speaker 1: sweatsuit and have not coat my hair. I'll maybe brush
Speaker 1: my teeth, but that's about it. I'm not doing anything else.
Speaker 3: You got me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I rolled out last night like no no makeup,
Speaker 1: Like I just was like I put some lipstick on,
Speaker 1: no makeup. I put on a wool cap I look
Speaker 1: like Mike Nestsmith from The Monkeys just was like whatever,
Speaker 1: and I was like rolling around like and it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those nights too, where you know,
Speaker 1: it was a it's a fall evening in Atlanta. Everybody's out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Like there's like a dude.
Speaker 1: In, you know, like a Michael Myers mass like shredding
Speaker 1: on a guitar with his ant like on the corner
Speaker 1: on the street. Corner there's like people making out on
Speaker 1: the street, puking in the street.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love this for Atlanta. I know.
Speaker 1: No, it's East Atlanta Village, which it's I think we've
Speaker 1: been there, like East Atlanta Village. And I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying this because I'm an East Atlanta gal. Is like
Speaker 1: if a Bourbon Street was punk rock, Like it's nice.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely a mess. It's a mess, but the
Speaker 1: people that go there are cool as fuck, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 3: So it's not like fucking perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like truly kind of perfect, and it's
Speaker 1: like super rough around the edges, like, but it's like
Speaker 1: the cool like it's it's this like beautiful mix of
Speaker 1: like different races, different genders, different ages, but there's like
Speaker 1: no frat boys.
Speaker 4: If you have a corner of your city where you
Speaker 4: can go out and if you're a drinker, if you
Speaker 4: can drink or just hang out with your friends, and
Speaker 4: it hasn't been infiltrated by a frat boye that keep
Speaker 4: it protected, gate, keep it, lock it down. That is
Speaker 4: the pinnacle of wonder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's because because it retains a
Speaker 1: little bit of its crime. But like all the bars
Speaker 1: in that neighborhood are like kind of punk rock, heavy
Speaker 1: metal bars. There's like a lot of black clubs down there.
Speaker 1: There's you know, obviously Mary's, There's you know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of places to see concerts. So it's just like cool neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And then when it gets like lit, like when the
Speaker 1: magic the alchemy of the of the fall night happens,
Speaker 1: and it gets just insane. It really feels like anarchy,
Speaker 1: but in the best way.
Speaker 3: That is my favorite.
Speaker 4: I've only experienced it a few times, but that is
Speaker 4: my absolute favorite kind of night out.
Speaker 3: And I bet you looked cool as shit.
Speaker 4: And I say this not just because I know that's
Speaker 4: true that you look cool as shit, but I have
Speaker 4: to believe that anyone who is comfortable, looks great, because
Speaker 4: that is my entire m o.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm to the point where, while I'm here in La,
Speaker 4: I'm considering hiring a friend of mine who's incredibly stylish
Speaker 4: to like teach me how to be a person again,
Speaker 4: Like how do I how do I dress to look nice?
Speaker 4: And I've never known how to put on makeup, so
Speaker 4: I might ask her to help me learn how to
Speaker 4: put on makeup because I just feel like, all right, girl,
Speaker 4: your forty evan. You don't have to change who you are,
Speaker 4: but if you would like to look more awake when
Speaker 4: you leave the house, there are ways that you can
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just gonna tell you lipstick that's really
Speaker 1: the only thing you need. Honestly, that's like that's what
Speaker 1: I'm wearing right now. I have nothing on my face
Speaker 1: except for lipstick. Really, oh yeah right, it's like the
Speaker 1: one thing that I figured out makes me look awake,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, oh, I'm up for the day.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, it really is the secret.
Speaker 2: Sauce and European woman for generations have believed this.
Speaker 1: So and you have perfect skin, so it's like, just
Speaker 1: wear a little lipstick and you're fine. And it's not
Speaker 1: even about now vanity or anything. It's just a no,
Speaker 1: it's just even a bomb, like a bomb just to.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna i'll I'm gonna dig back in a little
Speaker 4: bit of You might see me at an Alta or
Speaker 4: a Sephora around these parts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: You should look at your nipple and find out what
Speaker 1: your perfect nude shade is? What?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like how you find out what?
Speaker 3: Ww do people just know this shit? What are you
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm awfully looking at my nips, but for lipstick.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's like this whole They say that the
Speaker 1: perfect nude shade or the perfect lip color for your
Speaker 1: face is what the color your nipple is.
Speaker 4: See now, the deftly know so much about people out
Speaker 4: in these streets, like everyone I meet. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be like, so that's what your nips look like. I
Speaker 4: don't hear any of this shit.
Speaker 3: I miss all of the.
Speaker 2: Is it or is it?
Speaker 3: You'll never know, boys, you'll never know.
Speaker 4: I love when when people wear bright red lipstick. I'll
Speaker 4: be like, all right, there's some issues going on.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I sometimes I go for that like I used to
Speaker 1: there was like a period of like nine months where
Speaker 1: I wore only hot pink lipstick and people I used
Speaker 1: to get complimented all the time. But then I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that just felt like a moment and
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's a long term look for me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, listen, I'm always gonna advocate for if
Speaker 1: you just want to you know, a little a little
Speaker 1: feel good, you know, just throw it in there. It's
Speaker 1: not no commitments, but honestly, like being comfortable going out
Speaker 1: is absolutely crucial, totally everyone.
Speaker 3: Who, everyone who looks who.
Speaker 4: I remember when I used to go out who I
Speaker 4: was like, wow, they look fucking great, effortless, comfortably cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think so too. And like I I
Speaker 1: think it's because of when I was young and I
Speaker 1: was going out, I was so you know, like wanting
Speaker 1: to be in the mix and was really self conscious
Speaker 1: about like wanting to impress, like especially older people. I
Speaker 1: was always like, oh my god, like I like older
Speaker 1: people and like wanting to like fit seamlessly into their scene.
Speaker 1: So I was always so concerned about whether or not
Speaker 1: I looked cool enough or like was able to occupy
Speaker 1: the space so sad, but it's true, that's what your
Speaker 1: twenties are for. And now I'm like, oh no, I'm
Speaker 1: the fucking dude in the car, heart against the wall,
Speaker 1: not giving a fuck, and everybody's like, whoo, who is this?
Speaker 1: Like what a cool customer.
Speaker 3: For for real? For real? And this is where I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm also.
Speaker 4: I've got like lifelong dirt bag problems, maybe because I've
Speaker 4: just never I've done that like twenty year old where
Speaker 4: like you know, the tight thing and the victorious secret underwear,
Speaker 4: and like I've tried that and just instantly decided it
Speaker 4: wasn't for me. So I feel like I've just maybe
Speaker 4: never outwardly expressed how cool I feel inside because I
Speaker 4: think I'm pretty cool, but on the outside, I.
Speaker 3: Look like what is that? What is going on there?
Speaker 3: So I feel like I just want them to match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now not like changing my style, but I want
Speaker 4: them to match because I think I've just been a
Speaker 4: lifelong dirt bag. Yeah, and I have no reason to
Speaker 4: change if I when I live at home, but then
Speaker 4: I have to come out in the wild like this,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, I've been wearing the same T
Speaker 4: shirts for twenty five years.
Speaker 3: It's literally a T shirt I had twenty five years
Speaker 3: ago because I buy all my T shirts huge. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So yeah, I gotta.
Speaker 4: I just want the outside to match the inside, and
Speaker 4: the inside is cool as shit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and listen, I'm like, I'll tell you right now, kids,
Speaker 1: kids will worship you.
Speaker 3: They will like.
Speaker 1: One thing that I have figured out, and this is
Speaker 1: no slight to gen Z or to anyone younger, is
Speaker 1: that you know, y'all are really into core, right, I
Speaker 1: think that's been established, is that y'all are into bank core. Yes,
Speaker 1: the aesthetics of things blank core, car hardcore, yeah, lipstick
Speaker 1: only core, whatever the fuck you want to call it.
Speaker 3: Cabbage catch core, cab.
Speaker 1: And most people our age had to really commit to
Speaker 1: a subculture, right. We had to, like, we had to
Speaker 1: commit and we had to we had to like go
Speaker 1: through the motions of going to the club and be
Speaker 1: worried about whether or not older people were gonna like us.
Speaker 1: You know, now, I think these young kids don't have
Speaker 1: that as much as we did. There was no like
Speaker 1: gate keepers that we needed to like, you know, right
Speaker 1: to uh to they had to buy into us or whatever.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the style part, like they
Speaker 1: don't y'all know what y'all are doing. Y'all are just
Speaker 1: doing the aesthetic. There's no commitment to the lifestyle. Yet
Speaker 1: we got the commitment to the lifestyle. We have like
Speaker 1: the track record of all the fucking Triple xl T
Speaker 1: shirts that we had to like fight for and these concerts,
Speaker 1: and we were like really living it. So it's like
Speaker 1: when when y'all see somebody in gen X that was
Speaker 1: like a stone cold fucking real head, They're like they
Speaker 1: will walk up to you and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you are so hocus pocus core, like really live it.
Speaker 1: You're beautiful. They were like, thank you, Yes, I existed
Speaker 1: before hocus Pocus. By the way, did you know that
Speaker 1: goth existed before hocus Pocus and people were dressed in
Speaker 1: like fucking witches for a very long time? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we really lived that fucking life.
Speaker 3: Oh for real.
Speaker 4: I was this is I was in a parking lot
Speaker 4: the other day and I was backing up and it
Speaker 4: was a really tight squeeze. So I was backing up
Speaker 4: and there was a like this red SUV behind me
Speaker 4: and I was fine.
Speaker 3: I was completely fine. I wasn't even just completely.
Speaker 4: Fine, and the guy in the car like came out
Speaker 4: of the store and was like just kind of looking
Speaker 4: and it wasn't He wasn't angry about it. He was
Speaker 4: just like, uh, wish I get because LA drivers are
Speaker 4: fucking nuts. And when I finished my little three point turn,
Speaker 4: I rolled down my wind and I was like, you're cool,
Speaker 4: like I didn't hit your car, and he's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: It's like I came out because I wasn't worried you
Speaker 4: were gonna hit my car.
Speaker 3: I was just impressed that you were able to do that.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, well, I learned how to
Speaker 4: drive in like the eighties and nineties, so I don't
Speaker 4: even use these cameras, like it's all it's all fucking visual,
Speaker 4: Like I'm.
Speaker 3: On, I'm turn that head. I'll even turn that buckinghead.
Speaker 4: So he was like, oh, he's like eighties and nineties
Speaker 4: and he was like, but you look so young, and
Speaker 4: I said, well, you got to keep it tight, but
Speaker 4: I'm old as shit, and then I just drove away.
Speaker 4: It was the funniest and coolest fucking moment of my year.
Speaker 3: Probably Listen.
Speaker 1: I literally just came off of a TikTok where I
Speaker 1: watched Jack Carlow, the rapper Jack Carlow talk about he
Speaker 1: only likes women who were born in the seventies, and
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: Like, my man, like Jack Carlow knows what's up because
Speaker 4: he was just.
Speaker 3: Like twenty five.
Speaker 4: Like I was like, right, listen, oh my god, no,
Speaker 4: I was just like this this young man was just
Speaker 4: like I'm impressed by and I'm like, if that's all
Speaker 4: it takes, then ask me out, because I know he.
Speaker 3: Was like fucking plummixed.
Speaker 1: That's I think the thing about and this is all
Speaker 1: going to pull back to eventually what I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about today, even though we've gone about.
Speaker 3: Twenty minutes already.
Speaker 1: That is the thing that's so hard to figure out
Speaker 1: as you get older, is like, what's my value in
Speaker 1: the world, Because the world doesn't value anymore.
Speaker 2: They put you out the pasture, they throw you away
Speaker 2: in the fucking dumpster.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But like, the thing that I have to remember
Speaker 1: is that younger people have no confidence, that they have
Speaker 1: no way to navigate. Uh, you know, simple things like
Speaker 1: we do right, like our lived and experience, our toil
Speaker 1: is equals authenticity to them, and they will always worship
Speaker 1: us for that. For the most part. Like unless you're
Speaker 1: absolute goblin and you're a horrible person. For the most part,
Speaker 1: like most cool individuals will, you know, lean towards authenticity
Speaker 1: and real people, you know, I did when I was
Speaker 1: in my place, like you think I was like riding
Speaker 1: around like trying to find the car heart guys to
Speaker 1: be like can I hang with you against the wall exactly?
Speaker 1: You know, Like I wanted that when I was their age.
Speaker 1: So I feel like now we're just the baton has
Speaker 1: been passed. You know, go out with no fucking makeup on.
Speaker 1: Do whatever you've got to do. Do not use the
Speaker 1: rearview cameras. You can do it yourself. People will literally
Speaker 1: come out of a store and wish it for it.
Speaker 4: So it was I just I it was definitely a
Speaker 4: moment where I realized that some kind of baton had
Speaker 4: been passed. Yeah, because he also at one point when
Speaker 4: I said like, oh, I learned how to drive in
Speaker 4: the eighties and early nineties, and he was like, I
Speaker 4: was born in the eighties, And I was.
Speaker 3: Like like, oh, okay, okay, I gotcha.
Speaker 4: But like a baton has been passed for sure, and
Speaker 4: I'll take that baton. But I just if that's all
Speaker 4: it takes is me just being real. Well, I can't
Speaker 4: do anything but be real, So just saying I'm old
Speaker 4: as shit and zooming away and leaving this man standing
Speaker 4: there like staring after me. I just felt like I
Speaker 4: was like I was getting on a horse and running
Speaker 4: off into the sunset after like robbing a saloon.
Speaker 3: It felt great.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like the fucking like Smooth Criminal by
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson plays.
Speaker 2: Doom Doom, Do do.
Speaker 1: That's you?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you did have something else that you want
Speaker 4: to talk about, though, So I don't want to get
Speaker 4: too meyered down and how cool we are now that
Speaker 4: we're older.
Speaker 1: Well this will glie gently into another round of serial killers.
Speaker 4: Oh hell yeah, it's probably our last round.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe oh my done one of these you fail.
Speaker 4: Since I failed fucking miserably because I hadn't hung out
Speaker 4: with you in so long, I didn't realize you were
Speaker 4: the kind of bit you put fucking lawn ornaments all
Speaker 4: over her shit anymore.
Speaker 1: You were like, this is a fucking betrayal, and I'm like.
Speaker 5: Man, crumple our relationship for Jesus, No, it was it
Speaker 5: was a stark realization that, like I need to hang
Speaker 5: out with you more than we did, so I fixed it.
Speaker 4: But like that was the true betrayal. Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 4: your chernobyl answer was the betrayal. No, the true betrayal
Speaker 4: is merely becoming a whole different person in between rounds
Speaker 4: of serial Killer or Self Care.
Speaker 1: Well, you know we throw surprises at each other. We
Speaker 1: can't know each other completely, right. You gotta keep a
Speaker 1: little mystery and the keep it spicy.
Speaker 3: You know all about a mystery.
Speaker 4: I'm angling towards becoming more mysterious as I get older.
Speaker 1: Uh, well, you're already again, like you just said, fucking
Speaker 1: people coming out of stores trying to figure you out.
Speaker 1: I think you're doing a good job.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's five five of these.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for five?
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I got my coffee, I've got water.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, I'm ready hydrate.
Speaker 3: I am treating this like a sport.
Speaker 1: Okay. So maybe some of this won't make sense, but
Speaker 1: I don't care a fuck. We're ending the podcast Son
Speaker 1: Cares serial Killer Yourself Care question one googling liquor while
Speaker 1: you're standing at the bar.
Speaker 3: Okay, for you self care?
Speaker 1: Absolutely correct?
Speaker 3: For me?
Speaker 4: Serial killer move that person is looking how to poison
Speaker 4: you or get you as drunk as for you. You
Speaker 4: want that information about how to level that drunkness out.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's my because you know, people get there's like
Speaker 1: so people get like super crazy about bar rules about
Speaker 1: like how if you don't like, don't approach a bar
Speaker 1: unless you know exactly what you want, like you know
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Fuck you, Like we're all just you
Speaker 1: know how much alcohol is there is right now in
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, I will admit something is that I
Speaker 1: do not know shit about alcohol.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean either because we didn't. That wasn't the
Speaker 4: goal when we were coming up.
Speaker 1: No, no, there are no None of my friends were
Speaker 1: curatorial about drinking whatsoever. Nope, everybody was just like, give
Speaker 1: me a handle of mister Boston's, we will figure out
Speaker 1: a hundred different ways to drink it, you know, like
Speaker 1: there was no I mean, first of all, there weren't
Speaker 1: even a ton of liquor brands. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of my thing is that people like you're out and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, let's get you a Tito's and soda,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and I know what Tito says. Okay,
Speaker 1: But like back before I knew what Tito's, like Tito's
Speaker 1: and soda. I'm like, what the fuck is it?
Speaker 3: Tito's right, we didn't order by the brand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like is that tequila? Is that whatever? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I don't know these So I
Speaker 1: don't know the brands. Number one for sure, I'm actually
Speaker 1: unclear about what is even what like the difference between
Speaker 1: bourbon and whiskey and cognognac. How do you I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to say cognac.
Speaker 2: How do you saying.
Speaker 3: Konnac connac konyak?
Speaker 1: Fuck? I don't even know how to say that. So
Speaker 1: that's to that point. So the other night I went
Speaker 1: to the Hawks game. Oh, season opener of the Hawks.
Speaker 1: No big deal, we won, okay, my boys, my boys
Speaker 1: or my boys. So we go to the Hawks game.
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with you know, we're in this big
Speaker 1: group and I'm hanging out with one of my friends's
Speaker 1: brothers who was in town or whatever. And we go
Speaker 1: to the bar and this woman who who's the bartender,
Speaker 1: was like, do you want to put a couple of
Speaker 1: shots in this lemonade? It's like frozen lemonade. And I
Speaker 1: was like, do people do that? And She's just like yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh he goes. My friend's brother goes, why do
Speaker 1: you pour some Hennessy in there? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I certainly heard of Hennessy because I like rap music,
Speaker 1: but do I even know what Hennessy actually is? So
Speaker 1: I turned, I turned to you know, the side, and
Speaker 1: googled Hennessy because I was like, I'm even not clear
Speaker 1: what hennessy is.
Speaker 4: Ah, I am surprised I didn't get you kicked out
Speaker 4: of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm like, that is to your point. So then
Speaker 1: my other friend walks up and she sees my open
Speaker 1: browser on my phone with like Hennesite, and she goes,
Speaker 1: did you just google Hennessy at the bar? And I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, I did, because I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck Hennessy actually is.
Speaker 2: So there you go. I'm gonna admit that to everybody.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: We're so overwhelmed. Koyak coniac kyak Crown Royal, Hennessy, fucking cognacs.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know how many times had drank Crown in
Speaker 2: high school?
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it was.
Speaker 3: This is the thing.
Speaker 4: Your commitment to ordering a drink depends on when you
Speaker 4: were what era you were born in, We did not
Speaker 4: have brands. Yeah, when we started drinking, it was the drink,
Speaker 4: like I want a tequila and soda, I want this,
Speaker 4: I want and it was basic shit.
Speaker 3: When fucking cocktail.
Speaker 4: Came out, we were young, we were in our you know,
Speaker 4: ten eleven years old, but yeah, we were floored that
Speaker 4: somebody could flip that cup around and not just pour
Speaker 4: it directly into the fucking glass. Like, we came up
Speaker 4: in a way that was not brand related. So now
Speaker 4: when people are like I want cosamigos, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: why do you want George Clooney specifically to give you tequila?
Speaker 4: Because I know that all tequi it comes from the
Speaker 4: same fucking area of Mexico. It's only one plant, yeah
Speaker 4: and every but so they just put their name on
Speaker 4: it and now it's a different liquor to you, Like
Speaker 4: what is happening? Yeah, I'm with you there, and there's
Speaker 4: so many fucking celebrity brands and.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I can't do it.
Speaker 4: I want I don't want to put lemonade in a
Speaker 4: drink and it's this. I'm the same way with coffee
Speaker 4: where I'm like get it to me straight, like do
Speaker 4: not You don't have to fancy it up if my
Speaker 4: goal is to get fucking rocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm like, and I I appreciate people who
Speaker 1: are very knowledgeable about it. Yeah, Like I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're into whiskey and you got like
Speaker 1: crazy opinions on it, that's fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: Tell me more about passion or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like, I'm also trying to be a real person
Speaker 1: at Like, I'm like, I don't know. I simply do
Speaker 1: not know. You don't mess call. That's not a thing
Speaker 1: that existed when we were in high school.
Speaker 2: Like, I had never heard of mess call. Into moved
Speaker 2: to LA and I.
Speaker 1: Was basically like, oh, I guess people fucking with mescal
Speaker 1: is kind of like a tequila I suppose, but I
Speaker 1: never heard of that shit until. I Mean, that's the
Speaker 1: thing is that, like the it's gotten so complex that
Speaker 1: my you know, high school brain has to like catch up.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm googling head to see at the fucking.
Speaker 3: Barn self care, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Okay, just try to educate myself. Do not
Speaker 1: embarrass me exactly. Okay, So you got one right, ting
Speaker 1: ting ting all right? There were more serial killer is
Speaker 1: self care? Not paying people for working your events?
Speaker 3: That is a serial killer move.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah it is, and you know it is, and
Speaker 1: you know who you are.
Speaker 2: Serial killers, murderers.
Speaker 4: No hesitation, you're a serial killer. Someone's doing anything for
Speaker 4: you pay them.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 1: We got a problem. There are so many people who
Speaker 1: are out here being like, hey, will you DJ my
Speaker 1: work party? Will you you know, come and host a
Speaker 1: thing for my job in front of people? This is
Speaker 1: public facing shit. You always us to shit, and you're
Speaker 1: not paying people to do that in any kind of way.
Speaker 1: Like no, you don't even give me one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: gift card to Applebee's nothing.
Speaker 4: No, that is no longer the move we put a
Speaker 4: I say we, but I think that's actually a gen
Speaker 4: z possibly millennial move where they're like, we're not doing
Speaker 4: unpaid internships anymore. Like high five to them for being like,
Speaker 4: uh no, my time is valuable, you got to pay me.
Speaker 3: They shifted the tide.
Speaker 4: So if you are still out here not paying people
Speaker 4: to work your event, not only are you revealing how
Speaker 4: old you are in your heart, but you have no
Speaker 4: there's no conscience, Like there has to be something that
Speaker 4: pay doesn't always have to be financial. It should be
Speaker 4: it should be financial, but like you said, you have
Speaker 4: to offer something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I will make this distinction as well, because
Speaker 1: it's like they're also okay, I think it's deplorable that
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go work for somebody and you're doing
Speaker 1: like physical labor, right, if you're like cleaning dishes, if
Speaker 1: you're organizing, if you're doing stuff you that is a
Speaker 1: payd job period like that is Yeah, if you're not
Speaker 1: paying people to do that, then you're an absolute monster.
Speaker 1: But then there's this type of job where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's forward facing like that. It's like something where they can,
Speaker 1: you know, be in front of people, and.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the reward. Like the reward is me standing.
Speaker 1: In front of people and like talking about whatever, like
Speaker 1: a movie or you know, some kind of concept or
Speaker 1: like a DJ thing or something like that, playing albums.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is that not a job to you?
Speaker 1: Why why do you think that, especially somebody at my
Speaker 1: age and my level of the game or whatever. I'm like, right,
Speaker 1: you think it's easy for me to like constantly just
Speaker 1: go in public and talk and like I gotta you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, as much as I am kind of okay
Speaker 1: with being a public speaker, but it's like it still
Speaker 1: takes a lot for me to prepare, for me to
Speaker 1: figure out what my nipple color is so I can
Speaker 1: wear the corresponding lipstick, so I could like do my hair,
Speaker 1: take off my car hard, put on a fucking church dress,
Speaker 1: like whatever. It is, Like that is part of it.
Speaker 1: That's part of the labor of this thing.
Speaker 3: And I find that.
Speaker 1: People really don't pay for that shit around here, especially
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta. They're not really doing in LA, but
Speaker 1: they were doing like they don't pay for that here,
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of like, you know what, Like
Speaker 1: that's work.
Speaker 4: So I will say simply as simply as possible. My
Speaker 4: life and career changed when I started saying no to
Speaker 4: things that people wanted me to do for free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just say no.
Speaker 4: I'm not even going to get into it about like
Speaker 4: you're not paying me, why don't you pay? Nope, I
Speaker 4: ain't doing it. If you want me, my time is
Speaker 4: worth something. If you want to ask, oh, would you
Speaker 4: consider doing it if we pay, Yeah, then we can have.
Speaker 3: A negotiation, we can talk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But if you just flat out come at me
Speaker 4: with do this thing for free?
Speaker 3: Nope?
Speaker 1: Right, And if you're a for profit business, like I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're a nonprofit, you know, if it's a charity thing,
Speaker 1: of course, what the fuck course do that all day
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 3: But if they're very heavy.
Speaker 1: Money for your business and you're not paying people for things, man,
Speaker 1: come on, like.
Speaker 4: Oh, they just have me all the time when I
Speaker 4: was a freelance writer, like, oh, you can do this
Speaker 4: for the exposure, And I'm like you, mam, are l
Speaker 4: magazine like someone getting paid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't doing nothing for the exposure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I just had to throw that in there.
Speaker 1: I knew you would agree with me, so you got
Speaker 1: that one right too. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I will never charge to do an event that involves charity, children, libraries,
Speaker 4: things like that. But the rest of all, I better
Speaker 4: come with something. Even if I just donate the money,
Speaker 4: you better come with something.
Speaker 1: I mean, a shrink wrapped gift basket goes a long way.
Speaker 1: I'll just throw that out there. Okay, So two for two.
Speaker 1: Third or self care question scheduling a meeting while you're
Speaker 1: currently in a meeting.
Speaker 3: That's a fucking serial killer all around, Ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 2: That is absolutely right. Oh my god, gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: One of my biggest pet peeves in the world is
Speaker 1: being in a meeting with somebody and then there's.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, it's like ping ping pong.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, what you just scheduled another meeting
Speaker 1: with me as you're talking to me right now.
Speaker 4: No, that is that is pure psychosis. That is that
Speaker 4: is someone who's had too much of the sauce, the
Speaker 4: corporate sauce. Because my real party line is there are
Speaker 4: too many meetings.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, one hundred percent there are.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be meeting with people more than depending on
Speaker 4: the job, but more than once a week.
Speaker 1: I have to agree with you. I feel like there
Speaker 1: we're in an epidemic of too many meetings. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's because there's this perceived like disconnection
Speaker 1: feeling from COVID that is kind of still happening where
Speaker 1: people are like many people are working from home. Still,
Speaker 1: there's people spread out around the world. We got to
Speaker 1: over compensate for it by having meeting after meeting after meeting,
Speaker 1: because otherwise we'll just drift away into you know, unproductiveness.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, nah, bitch, the fucking meeting sometimes is
Speaker 1: the problem? Like nothing is getting done A lot of times, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's just talking to talk, And I'm like, there's like
Speaker 1: just because we're not meeting every day about something does
Speaker 1: not mean that people aren't working. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes the meeting is just the pump and circumstance
Speaker 1: that needs to get kicked out the door.
Speaker 4: Well, there's also there seems to me to be a
Speaker 4: new layer of the corporate structure. And I don't know
Speaker 4: when it happened, when it came in. I've seen it
Speaker 4: become more prevalent over the last like five years, I'll say,
Speaker 4: but there's a new level where on this level, the
Speaker 4: person's job is to justify having their job. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: they are setting meetings all the time so that it
Speaker 4: looks like they're doing their job or that is the
Speaker 4: job or whatever. There just seems to be this new
Speaker 4: layer of like my job is to prove that I'm
Speaker 4: doing my job.
Speaker 3: I don't need it. I think what makes me.
Speaker 4: Probably a great boss, because I have been told by
Speaker 4: some writers and I'm like the best boss they've had,
Speaker 4: or like it's the best room they've been in, is
Speaker 4: because I hire the best people possible, and then I
Speaker 4: let them do their fucking job. Yes, I'm available to
Speaker 4: you for questions, failable to check in. I will let
Speaker 4: you do your fucking job. We will have a meeting
Speaker 4: if there is something that I need ten people to
Speaker 4: know at once. Otherwise it's an email like what are
Speaker 4: we doing? Yeah, hire the best people, let them do
Speaker 4: their fucking job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. That's the best kind of boss to
Speaker 1: have is somebody who kind of just leaves you alone.
Speaker 1: I I haven't been a boss very rarely in my life.
Speaker 2: Like I think I was a boss when I was
Speaker 2: in my twenties.
Speaker 1: Actually, like I think my one of my first like
Speaker 1: jobs out of undergrad I worked at a marketing research
Speaker 1: firm and I was technically like a supervisor or like
Speaker 1: a keyholder or something like that.
Speaker 2: But I never want to be in one's boss.
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you what to do. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be responsible for your life. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to clock, you know, hours with me. I
Speaker 1: don't want to give you goals, none of that. I
Speaker 1: just want us to all be like free floating, you know,
Speaker 1: we can all It's like a a socialist dream of
Speaker 1: everybody's in charge.
Speaker 2: And we just kind of figure things out, you know,
Speaker 2: in that way.
Speaker 1: I know it's a dream, but I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: don't want I don't want a boss, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to be anybody's boss because of this, because of
Speaker 1: the weird kind of like communication styles, like trying to
Speaker 1: figure out like what best way of you know, being
Speaker 1: in touches, and some people do it too little, and
Speaker 1: then some people do it too much, you know, so
Speaker 1: it's like finding a balance is probably the key. But
Speaker 1: it's like man meetings.
Speaker 3: Also, I gotta say, I love being a boss.
Speaker 4: And if you are a boss and you're like experiencing
Speaker 4: some of this and you want to stop having all
Speaker 4: these meetings and feeling like this, I'll see. I will
Speaker 4: also just offer this unsolicited advice. Ask people how they
Speaker 4: like to communicate before you when you're interviewing them, how
Speaker 4: do you like to communicate you if we have a
Speaker 4: pressing need, like you know, would you text me, would
Speaker 4: you call me?
Speaker 3: Would you say a meeting?
Speaker 4: You know, ask them how they like to communicate, make
Speaker 4: a note of it, and then do that.
Speaker 3: Like that's truly all it takes.
Speaker 4: If I tell you, like, look, I just need you
Speaker 4: to be available that if I have a question, I
Speaker 4: can get it answered within three hours.
Speaker 3: Done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and that's it. Like it's so hard too,
Speaker 1: as you know, like I said, I just said I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be a boss, but it is hard
Speaker 1: to know because there's certain people that really really need
Speaker 1: a lot of feedback and really need to be handheld
Speaker 1: and they want that and so and sometimes those people
Speaker 1: will pretend to not need that and then you figure
Speaker 1: it out much later or advice ors. You know, I
Speaker 1: get that it's hard to figure it out, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a good plan, is to just sort
Speaker 1: of check in with people. And I would say, check
Speaker 1: in with people like not just in the interview, but
Speaker 1: after they've been hired, and give them some time to
Speaker 1: settle in and be like, all right, so what's your
Speaker 1: vibe now? You want to hear from me?
Speaker 2: You don't you don't want me to use your personal
Speaker 2: phone number, duly noted.
Speaker 4: You don't to ever use your phone at all. You
Speaker 4: let me just just email. That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1: All this is to say, you got another one, right,
Speaker 1: Yes I did.
Speaker 2: And you know that that's serial killer.
Speaker 1: Move Okay. Question four, We're almost done. Question four Serial
Speaker 1: Killer self care, being cringe self care absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: Ah, do not give a fuck about being cringe.
Speaker 3: Cringe doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. I mean, cringes is
Speaker 3: only our friend.
Speaker 4: Sarah Brown's former diary reading series that she wrote a
Speaker 4: fantastic book about in two different countries. That's what cringe
Speaker 4: is to me, Sarah Brown, Cringe.
Speaker 3: Look it up.
Speaker 4: Otherwise it does not exist. I'm not going to I'm
Speaker 4: not going to absorb this cultural notion that I should
Speaker 4: be upset about everything I do.
Speaker 1: Fuck off, and then at a certain age you are
Speaker 1: just cringe and you gotta let it go. Yeah, like period,
Speaker 1: point blank. No.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is that like.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 1: To me, I refuse to be like you can tell
Speaker 1: me that I'm cringe, and I'm talking to you kids,
Speaker 1: right because you're you're the people that I'm mostly addressing
Speaker 1: in this Calling me cringe you know about some shit, fine,
Speaker 1: but I reject it. I do not listen to it.
Speaker 1: I do not give a shit. It doesn't exist. Like
Speaker 1: I am who I am.
Speaker 4: Cringe to me is just somebody saying I'm uncomfortable with
Speaker 4: how little you give a shit about this. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you're never going to make me give a shit about
Speaker 4: something I fundamentally don't give a shit about.
Speaker 3: And that could be the way I look, the way
Speaker 3: I talk.
Speaker 4: If I'm not harming someone actively fuck off, cringe doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like it's it's just another word for
Speaker 1: being uncool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like.
Speaker 1: I at a certain age that literally never enters my mind,
Speaker 1: Like it never enters my mind to be to be cool,
Speaker 1: to walk out of the house and be cool. You
Speaker 1: know so.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: No, I haven't thought about it since I was a
Speaker 4: fucking teenager.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you got that right your fourth floor.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for the last one?
Speaker 1: Potentially the hardest?
Speaker 3: Oh god, this is so tense because I've been doing
Speaker 3: so well.
Speaker 2: Okay, the final question for serial killer or self care
Speaker 2: ending this podcast?
Speaker 3: God, damn you. I think self care.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll give you that to you both. That's a
Speaker 1: true question.
Speaker 2: It's both.
Speaker 4: I thought you might say serial killer, but I know
Speaker 4: it's self care. We just talked about it when we
Speaker 4: told people we were ending the podcast, like it's self care.
Speaker 4: I would have rioted if you said serial killer. I
Speaker 4: know you're trying to throw me. It's self care. I'm
Speaker 4: five or five.
Speaker 2: No, going out like that absolutely correct?
Speaker 3: Okay, ain't going out like that?
Speaker 2: Of course, of course you've got a perfect score.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if you would have said serial killer,
Speaker 1: I would have said it was correct to It's just
Speaker 1: you know, and I mean this, I mean, obviously this
Speaker 1: is a joke, but I mean this is the best way.
Speaker 1: I mean it is like both sad and happy. I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: it really is. I mean there's gonna be stuff like
Speaker 1: this that we're not gonna do anymore, which is which
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss, and ending it feels like a serial
Speaker 1: killer move. But then it's also self care to end it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we're happy, we're in a good place about it.
Speaker 4: So true, And I'm laughing because it's like, oh wait,
Speaker 4: that's every decision I make in my life where everyone's like,
Speaker 4: why are you stopping? I stopped doing feminist Ryan Gossling.
Speaker 4: They're like, why not keep this going for forty five years?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh no, I'm done with it. Serial
Speaker 4: killer moved to just walk away from something successful that
Speaker 4: makes you happy.
Speaker 1: No, there are no water signs on this podcast, not
Speaker 1: a one. So we're not getting sentimental about shit. Once
Speaker 1: it's done. It's done. We're like the bye, like please,
Speaker 1: even Casey's a cap record, he couldn't care less cut ties,
Speaker 1: no problem, move on.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Also, it's kind of fucked up in a way because.
Speaker 3: We're not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be missing out anything, but our listeners
Speaker 4: will be, which I'm sad for them. But I feel like, oh,
Speaker 4: nothing's gonna change because we will still be able to
Speaker 4: talk to each other and talk to Casey and have
Speaker 4: our thing. So that is a serial killer move to
Speaker 4: be like, yeah, nothing's gonna change, and then your whole
Speaker 4: audience is like, yeah, everything is changing for us. You're
Speaker 4: fucking psychos. You're not gonna be here for us anymore,
Speaker 4: these cringe bitches. No, I gotta learn how to walk away.
Speaker 4: It is the most valuable lesson in your life. Learn
Speaker 4: how and when to walk away from things.
Speaker 3: Yes, we know how.
Speaker 1: To fold them for sure, or we know when to
Speaker 1: fold them. I should say, Okay, so you've got a
Speaker 1: perfect score. Yeah, do you even handle that curveball I
Speaker 1: threw at the end very nicely?
Speaker 3: So you really tried it? But I ain't going out
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: No, No, you're absolutely not. Should we start this podcast?
Speaker 1: Or what are we doing whatever?
Speaker 4: I mean, we're like an hour in so why not
Speaker 4: when I talk about a movie or two?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we got a theme stressful. This is stressful.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna ask if you would tell people
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 4: I would love to tell people what it is, because
Speaker 4: our theme this week is eat the Rich. We're talking
Speaker 4: about modern class warfare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand's style. Would you say, wait, actually it's more.
Speaker 3: Like twenty well yeah, more like twenty twenties.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenties style.
Speaker 4: Mine came out in twenty nineteen, but it's on the CUSP.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like last five years, last, you know, six
Speaker 4: years of Beat the Rich mentality.
Speaker 1: Well, and we have been talking about wanting to do
Speaker 1: your movie for a while. Yes, and I haven't seen
Speaker 1: it since it came out, and glad I saw it again.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a great, great film.
Speaker 3: Oh, masterpiece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an interesting like I was actually kind
Speaker 1: of trying to figure this out a little bit when
Speaker 1: we were doing research for this week, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: these are two movies that came out relatively close together,
Speaker 1: kind of like post Obama, maybe pre pandemic or at
Speaker 1: least you know, at the heels of the pandemic, and
Speaker 1: they're kind of addressing the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yes, there's so many parallels now that I've watched I've
Speaker 4: watched each of them obviously separately before now that I've
Speaker 4: watched them together, there are some very interesting parallels in
Speaker 4: our films, which we'll get into when we talk about them.
Speaker 4: But it's it's also nice. I think it's a nice
Speaker 4: shift culturally that there are now so many ways to
Speaker 4: look at and confirm that we should be eating the
Speaker 4: rich and engaging and paying attention to modern class warfare
Speaker 4: at least. And I say this as a person who
Speaker 4: in a recent episode commented on how my lifestyle is
Speaker 4: possible because I'm making more money. I'm not rich, I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm not the people we're talking about. I'm just
Speaker 4: I've got a good job. But what I and personally,
Speaker 4: and this is maybe a bridge too far in validating myself,
Speaker 4: but I don't need that much. So when I make
Speaker 4: a certain amount of money, I give the rest away.
Speaker 4: Drives my business manager crazy, But I don't need that much.
Speaker 4: I just give it away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think that there's generational wealth
Speaker 1: that's happening when some of the characters in these movies
Speaker 1: this week, which gotta say not my experience, I got
Speaker 1: none of that.
Speaker 3: And I don't think generational wealth should exist.
Speaker 4: I think spend your fucking money, let your kids spend
Speaker 4: for themselves.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, generational wealth does not create instantly create better people
Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned. It creates hoarders and people
Speaker 4: who then become, you know, generations later, the kind of
Speaker 4: people that we live with now, who think because their
Speaker 4: money isn't earned, that it's better and that they deserve more,
Speaker 4: or that there's their lives are somehow more valuable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and yeah, and I just you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's really interesting because it really does feel like
Speaker 1: these two movies this week are kind of united by
Speaker 1: this idea of everybody in the world is fighting each
Speaker 1: other at the feet of extremely wealthy people, right, And
Speaker 1: why are we doing that?
Speaker 3: Why aren't we in fighting them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And why.
Speaker 1: Have has the tone shifted? I was reading this one
Speaker 1: article about my movie in reference to like a bunch
Speaker 1: of like there's like a lot you know. I think
Speaker 1: the obvious, you know, parallel to my film would be
Speaker 1: something like White Lotus, where there's this kind of like
Speaker 1: Recent and Glass Onion and all these movies about like
Speaker 1: rich people on yachts and things. Yeah, there's this kind
Speaker 1: of like which is so true, like resort, Like how
Speaker 1: there's this double message happening where it's like, yes, we
Speaker 1: are trying to deconstruct and criticize this wealthy you know,
Speaker 1: elite class and their bullshit and there you know, the
Speaker 1: ways of which they navigate the world and make everybody
Speaker 1: feel like shit.
Speaker 2: But we're also like fascinated by their world.
Speaker 3: That's what locks me up is like it's aspirational to people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and about how can these things exist at the
Speaker 1: same time. Is it pleasure to watch people drinking expensive
Speaker 1: champagne on you know, super yachts, uh, saying bullshit while
Speaker 1: like the people below the deck are like serving them
Speaker 1: while also criticizing it, Like is there like a double
Speaker 1: thing about it? And I'm like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because I texted you when I I hadn't watched my
Speaker 1: movie since it came out, which wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1: Halfway through it, I had to fucking stop the movie
Speaker 1: and I text you and I said, I'm too, I'm
Speaker 1: about to have a panic attack. I'm so mad at
Speaker 1: rich people right now that I have try the movie off, and.
Speaker 4: I want to know when we get to your movie,
Speaker 4: I want to know exactly what scene that was or
Speaker 4: what moment that was. But I completely agree that I
Speaker 4: find it genuinely physically sickening to watch a gross display
Speaker 4: of wealth. It is physically sickening to me that people
Speaker 4: feel comfortable, ye like having those resources and using them
Speaker 4: to become worse, like more terrible people.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it makes me.
Speaker 4: It makes me fucking sick to see the excess and
Speaker 4: the wiste and the just the focus on things that
Speaker 4: do not fucking matter, like the clothes and the jewelry
Speaker 4: and the fucking things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just makes me fucking ill.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and like, what is the psychological moment where
Speaker 1: people are like this is like like ooh, like I
Speaker 1: love watching Jennifer Coolidge be a fucking rich bitch in
Speaker 1: a resort, but I also hate rich people and wish that,
Speaker 1: you know, our current form of capitalism would disappear. Like
Speaker 1: I guess I just don't understand what the worship and
Speaker 1: the hatred is happening at the same time, because it
Speaker 1: feels like I can't do that. I have to just
Speaker 1: hate them, and so I don't know. I think that
Speaker 1: that's that really gave me a lot of food for
Speaker 1: this week. And then these two movies of course, same thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know your film in particular, I will
Speaker 1: not shut up about snow Peak. We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: it now. But I'm like, these motherfuckers are iced out
Speaker 1: in snow Peak camping gear, and that's all I gotta
Speaker 1: say about that.
Speaker 4: The water in their refrigerator are several bottles of vas.
Speaker 3: It's that kind of shit, Like I get glass bottles.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if they're plastic, they might be glass.
Speaker 3: I've never even touched one of those bottles. They look
Speaker 3: so rich. They's not water for me. This is not
Speaker 3: water for my dumbass.
Speaker 1: Only the first time I ever drank one of those
Speaker 1: boss bottles was what I went to. I went to
Speaker 1: a rap show like a long time ago. It was
Speaker 1: basically like Ti Twista and the guy that's saying the
Speaker 1: hook on I like the way you move by Big Boy,
Speaker 1: and it was like it cost like fifty dollars to
Speaker 1: get into the club, and then they were serving that
Speaker 1: water and I was like, what's this water? Why is
Speaker 1: it so chic and slim, and I immediately was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's because this it costs fifty dollars to get in here.
Speaker 1: That's why they're so very stupid water and now it's
Speaker 1: just everywhere, but like, especially in You're a movie.
Speaker 3: Makes me sick.
Speaker 4: So I was reading I like to read on the
Speaker 4: on the Strategist that like things I can't live without,
Speaker 4: celebrity shopping kind of thing, just because it's interesting to
Speaker 4: me to see what people buy, right, And I think
Speaker 4: it was on one of those where I saw someone
Speaker 4: who couldn't live without a four hundred dollars note book
Speaker 4: that they wrote in with a two hundred dollars pen.
Speaker 4: Hell no, And I'm like, this is where I lose
Speaker 4: the plot completely and become apoplectic, like what are you
Speaker 4: fucking you can live without that shit? You can get
Speaker 4: a mead notebook for a dollar if you had to,
Speaker 4: and a fucking ten cent bigpen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you might be.
Speaker 4: And I understand that the whole concept of that is
Speaker 4: basically to be like these are the things I like
Speaker 4: the most, which, okay, fine, I get it. I also
Speaker 4: have a favorite pen, but a four hundred dollars notebook
Speaker 4: You're going to act like that's normal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: The only time and I like reading it too.
Speaker 1: The only times where I actually like, like am like
Speaker 1: yes are when the celebrity reveals like it's like when
Speaker 1: they are using like a very simple thing that exists
Speaker 1: at like the drug store. It's like Charlie XCX uses
Speaker 1: like an old man foot powder and it's just like
Speaker 1: four dollars at Walgreens. Like That's the only time where
Speaker 1: I'm like this, this should exist, like I care about
Speaker 1: a celebrity's products is when they're just like real simple,
Speaker 1: boring show when they do. Yeah, when you do get
Speaker 1: the one where it's like I only you know, eat
Speaker 1: like strawberries that were you know, picked from the fucking
Speaker 1: base of the Himalayas or whatever the fuck, you're.
Speaker 3: Like, you've lost the plot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, and now everyone knows you have because you
Speaker 1: just set it in an interview.
Speaker 4: And that and truly, truly like Debbie Masars is the
Speaker 4: best one if you ask me, if you go look
Speaker 4: up Debbie Mazar when I can't live without or I
Speaker 4: think they even did one that's like one hundred products.
Speaker 4: I love because she leaves in Italy, so she's like
Speaker 4: got a real mix of high low. Yes, but she's
Speaker 4: also like a down home New York girl, so she's
Speaker 4: got like a real mix of high low. But it's
Speaker 4: for me. It's also a way to gauge, like how
Speaker 4: out of touch a celebrity is or how.
Speaker 3: Much money they make, because I'm like, oh, you can't live.
Speaker 4: Without something that costs four hundred dollars that will be
Speaker 4: done in three weeks, You'll be done using it. You're
Speaker 4: you're you make so much money that you literally have
Speaker 4: are not in touch with reality anymore?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it's it's shocking. But oh my god,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to talk about your movie. Like, all right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good, stressful week, but I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Let's get it a good and stressful week.
Speaker 4: My film was released in twenty nineteen. It was directed
Speaker 4: and written by Bong June Hoe. Han Jin Moon also
Speaker 4: did the screenplay with Bang June Hoe. And my movie
Speaker 4: is called Parasite.
Speaker 1: Little Renois.
Speaker 3: Now I fucking love this movie.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you the one sentsin synopsis, a family
Speaker 4: down on their luck infiltrates a rich family one by one.
Speaker 4: Nailed it, of course, So that is just the premise,
Speaker 4: and I'm only going to walk you through about half
Speaker 4: of this film because if you have not seen this
Speaker 4: movie before, I want you to watch it at some
Speaker 4: point and if I explain to you what has happened
Speaker 4: what happens in this film, it will not be the
Speaker 4: experience that I had when I first watched the movie.
Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna say that. I know people would
Speaker 4: love for us to spoil it, but guess what, we
Speaker 4: got two episodes left and we're still not doing it.
Speaker 3: Get over it, get over it.
Speaker 4: Got made it four years, not spoiling ship for you
Speaker 4: most of the time, and happening now either. So what
Speaker 4: I love about this movie and I do think it's
Speaker 4: a fucking masterpiece and it blew me away. And it's
Speaker 4: such a rich and layered and unique story that is
Speaker 4: simultaneously so funny and so terrifying. So the film itself,
Speaker 4: taking these shifts between humor and like abject terror, is
Speaker 4: just a master stroke. Bang June Hoe is an incredible
Speaker 4: director in that way he did you know Memories of
Speaker 4: Murder and Oak John He's He's made a lot of
Speaker 4: unbelievable films. This particular film won so many awards, like
Speaker 4: so many awards. It won the a bunch of Academy
Speaker 4: Awards for Best Picture and Best Directing. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: it won the fucking Palm d'Or at Can. It won
Speaker 4: the Golden Globe like anything it could win.
Speaker 3: It won that year.
Speaker 4: And Bong Juneo is also delightful to watch accepting an
Speaker 4: award if you haven't seen any of his acceptance speeches.
Speaker 4: But I think this movie really spoke to people in
Speaker 4: a big way. And again I think it's the way
Speaker 4: that that Bang Juno was able to direct and present
Speaker 4: it that helped with that. But the story itself is
Speaker 4: it's so well written, so I just love it. And
Speaker 4: it's really the story of two families. So we first
Speaker 4: have the Kim family. Chun Suk who's the mom, Kai
Speaker 4: Tech is the dad, Ki Wu is the son, and
Speaker 4: Ki Jung is the daughter. And forgive me if I'm
Speaker 4: mispronouncing those because it could be Kei Jung. But and
Speaker 4: I was listening closely in the movie and I listened
Speaker 4: in some interviews, and I think it's Kei Jung. So
Speaker 4: that's the family that we're starting with, who is completely
Speaker 4: down on their luck, like poor, poor, poor, poor, poor
Speaker 4: sub level poor, and it's really demonstrated in the film
Speaker 4: how poor they are by looking at their surroundings. So
Speaker 4: they live in a they call it a semi basement apartment,
Speaker 4: so it's kind of half underground half above ground. Let
Speaker 4: me put it this way. Their toilet is the is
Speaker 4: higher than their living space. Their toilet is kind of
Speaker 4: on a pedestal that goes above where they sleep and.
Speaker 3: Eat and live.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that metaphorically and visually is just a way
Speaker 4: to kind of construct how how low they are societally.
Speaker 4: And then you have the Park family, and the Park
Speaker 4: family is dong eke yon Ko. Dong Ek is the dad,
Speaker 4: Yanko is the mom, Da Song is their youngest child
Speaker 4: who's a boy, and Dahi who's their daughter, teenage daughter.
Speaker 4: They also have three dogs, Zuni, Berry, and Fufu, all
Speaker 4: these tiny little dogs running around, so cute. And the
Speaker 4: first scene in the movie is the Kim family in
Speaker 4: their apartment which is kind of drab, and they can't
Speaker 4: get Wi Fi because they've been surfing Wi Fi from
Speaker 4: a neighbor and the neighbor put a password on it.
Speaker 4: So just again conceptually, to live in a world in
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty where Wi Fi is not available
Speaker 4: to you, or that digital divide is so stark that
Speaker 4: you cannot do anything without the Internet, to the point
Speaker 4: where the the mom chunk suk has been waiting for
Speaker 4: information on WhatsApp about a job that she applied for
Speaker 4: that now she can't access because they don't have Wi Fi.
Speaker 4: And again it's a small apartment. Drunks come and piss
Speaker 4: right in front of their window.
Speaker 3: You learn it. They're peeling mold off of old bread.
Speaker 4: They're surrounded by stink bugs again, and it's for people
Speaker 4: living here. So they're waiting to hear from the pizza
Speaker 4: pizza generation business because the whole family is going to
Speaker 4: make pizza boxes for money. And then the fumigation truck
Speaker 4: comes by and dad decides to leave the windows open
Speaker 4: so that their apartment can also get fumigated. I mean
Speaker 4: the pizza boxes are also getting fumigated now. But that
Speaker 4: is where they are in life, where they're like anything
Speaker 4: that we can get for free that we don't have
Speaker 4: to spend money on we will take because no one
Speaker 4: is working, we're all down on our luck. The kids
Speaker 4: can't afford to go to college. And again these are
Speaker 4: incredibly smart people. As we watch the film, that becomes
Speaker 4: more and more prevalent that everyone is so smart and
Speaker 4: they're pushed to a place where they have to use
Speaker 4: their intelligence in devious ways because of where society has
Speaker 4: placed them. Yes, so they don't do a good job
Speaker 4: on the boxes. And there's this one scene where like
Speaker 4: the whole family kind of and it's right at the
Speaker 4: beginning of the film, so that's a very interesting tone
Speaker 4: because the pizza women comes to collect the boxes and
Speaker 4: she's like half, like a quarter of these are not folded. Well,
Speaker 4: I'm going to dock your pay ten percent. But then
Speaker 4: the whole family kind of slowly starts to surround her
Speaker 4: so that Kiwu can ask for a job. He's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I know that the reason you're in this
Speaker 4: position is because your box guy didn't show up, So
Speaker 4: why don't you just hire me? And then his sister
Speaker 4: kind of comes in and is like, yeah, you should
Speaker 4: hire him, and then the mom kind of comes in,
Speaker 4: and that is the tone of the whole movie. How
Speaker 4: one by one this family is going to surround someone
Speaker 4: of means and get everything they can from them and
Speaker 4: try to influence them so that again a small scene
Speaker 4: that to me is masterful and as a way of
Speaker 4: explaining what this family is willing to do to make money.
Speaker 4: So then the movie really kicks off when a friend
Speaker 4: of Kiwu's comes by. His name is Min and he's
Speaker 4: got this rock, it's called a scholar's rock that he's
Speaker 4: got for Kiwu's dad, Kai Tech, and it's supposed to
Speaker 4: be like, you know, this great prestigious thing that he's
Speaker 4: presenting and his grandfather gave to him. And he's obviously
Speaker 4: been a friend of the family for a while, and
Speaker 4: Kiwu is really upset that he came into the house
Speaker 4: because he's embarrassed by where he lives. But also Men,
Speaker 4: even though they're friends and of the same age, Men
Speaker 4: is doing much better clearly, so they go out for drinks.
Speaker 4: Men is in college, he's about to study abroad, and
Speaker 4: he tells and Kiwu tells him, like, you know, my
Speaker 4: whole family's out of work, were struggling, And Men suggests
Speaker 4: that Kiwu take over for him as a tutor for
Speaker 4: a rich kid while he's studying abroad.
Speaker 3: So the reasoning for this is a little fucked.
Speaker 4: He's like, I want it to be you because I
Speaker 4: actually am in love with this teenage girl who's a
Speaker 4: sophomore in high school. But I'm gonna wait until she
Speaker 4: goes to university to ask her out. And I don't
Speaker 4: want any of these like frat boy assholes like hitting
Speaker 4: on her while I'm gone, and I know that you
Speaker 4: ki Wu would never pose a threat. Essentially, yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Negged him pretty good, I have to say.
Speaker 3: Right, he nagged him into a job.
Speaker 4: So you're like, oh, this is a weird, like you're
Speaker 4: helping him, but also huh. So Keiwu is like, all right,
Speaker 4: but I'm not a college student. He's like, I'll have
Speaker 4: to pretend to be a college student, and men, to
Speaker 4: his credit as a friend, is like, well, you're smart enough,
Speaker 4: you just don't have the piece of paper. And he
Speaker 4: does say that eventually to his parents after his sister
Speaker 4: Kijun doctor's up a fake degree. He's like, well, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go to this university next year. I just printed
Speaker 4: the degree early, which is like a stunning rationalization. So
Speaker 4: then you watch him literally climb up from their apartment
Speaker 4: to the house. Because one thing I also love about
Speaker 4: this film is you are constantly going to be questioning
Speaker 4: who is the parasite, right and a parasitic relationship in
Speaker 4: general is one where you know, a parasite is viewed negative.
Speaker 3: It's a negative thing.
Speaker 4: It's something that is like affecting you or your life.
Speaker 4: So you're watching them kind of climb up and replicate
Speaker 4: these parasitic bug like moves where they're climbing into it
Speaker 4: to a territory that they don't belong in, right, And
Speaker 4: the difference in the living spaces is so vast because
Speaker 4: when he gets to the Park's house, they have like
Speaker 4: a bamboo lined front entry. They have a huge yard,
Speaker 4: there's tons of sunlight. The inside of the house is
Speaker 4: glass and it's you know, bright, and it's designed by
Speaker 4: a famous architect. And they have a house keeper who's
Speaker 4: like a house manager that they meet, and you know,
Speaker 4: those kind of these perfect photos of the Park.
Speaker 3: Family on the wall.
Speaker 4: The reality of the Park family is a little different.
Speaker 4: Park family is a little bit of a mess. Mom's
Speaker 4: passed out on the table when Kiwu first arrives, just
Speaker 4: like head down, fallen asleep on the outdoor picnic table,
Speaker 4: and he meets his he meets his student da Hi,
Speaker 4: and he crushes it. Mom wants Mom is very discerning.
Speaker 4: She wants to sit in on the first lesson. She
Speaker 4: kind of wants the best for her kids, and you
Speaker 4: can tell that her job is to kind of create
Speaker 4: the perfect family and make sure they have everything they
Speaker 4: need to be the perfect family. And she's very naive
Speaker 4: and very easily influenced, which we will come to find out,
Speaker 4: but she wants to when we first meet her. She's
Speaker 4: got a backbone and she's discerning and she wants to
Speaker 4: sit in on the first lesson. Blows everyone away. She
Speaker 4: starts calling Keewu Kevin, which is I think culturally in
Speaker 4: wealthier families in Korea, because this movie takes place in Korea.
Speaker 4: I think it's common if you're learning English to kind
Speaker 4: of replicate English names. When I used to teach college classes,
Speaker 4: I would have you know, international students, and they would
Speaker 4: always give themselves or have been given a more European name,
Speaker 4: and I always ask, like, you know, like I can
Speaker 4: pronounce your name like like.
Speaker 3: If you prefer.
Speaker 4: But I think that it's a way of assimilating essentially
Speaker 4: A lot a lot of times.
Speaker 1: Those rich kids come to Canada or America or you know,
Speaker 1: English speaking countries like New Zealand and Australia to learn English.
Speaker 1: Right or to go to school, and they get exactly
Speaker 1: they get Americanized English names.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're already kind of engaging in this this
Speaker 4: wealth disparity where you get to choose your name, you
Speaker 4: get to kind of choose how how you are in
Speaker 4: the world, and you have a little bit more, a
Speaker 4: little bit more of a pathway to respectability because you
Speaker 4: have money.
Speaker 3: And so as Kiwu is leaving Das.
Speaker 4: Song, the little boy comes in and his mom is
Speaker 4: very concerned that he's not focused. He thinks he's like
Speaker 4: this eccentric, genius artist, but he's really the kind of
Speaker 4: kid who just like lays around with an arrow in
Speaker 4: his butt. And Keiwu is like, oh, you need an
Speaker 4: art tutor for him. I've got the perfect person. And
Speaker 4: he lies and says that this person was an art
Speaker 4: school with his cousin and it's actually his sister.
Speaker 3: It's actually Kijun.
Speaker 4: And there's a really funny scene where he looks at
Speaker 4: one of the kid's paintings and he's like, it's a chimpanzee, right,
Speaker 4: And the mom just says, oh, a self portrait. They
Speaker 4: know nothing about art, they know nothing about any of this,
Speaker 4: but they are absolutely he's going to get his sister
Speaker 4: a job now, right, because he's zoomed in on the
Speaker 4: fact that this woman needs things for her children that
Speaker 4: is her pride and joy. So he suggests his sister
Speaker 4: and when she arrives, his student to Hie is already
Speaker 4: jealous of Keijun. He thinks she doesn't know that their
Speaker 4: brother and sister obviously, and she already has a crush
Speaker 4: on Kiwu, but she's also pissed off because she's like,
Speaker 4: my little brother is pretending to be an artist. He's
Speaker 4: pretending to be this total weirder when he's just a
Speaker 4: fucking freaky little kid. But they kiss and they kind
Speaker 4: of have a moment, and you know, you can tell
Speaker 4: that things are going to get started for them. But
Speaker 4: everyone's trying to be respectful of the fact that she's a
Speaker 4: sophomore and wait till she's in university to make a move,
Speaker 4: but like already making the moves, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: I don't know about this, guys, I don't know about this.
Speaker 4: But basically, the sister is hired and her given name
Speaker 4: is Jessica by the mom whose name we don't know yet,
Speaker 4: by the way, interestingly enough, and it turns out that
Speaker 4: Kijung is so adept at crafting this psychological story about
Speaker 4: her own abilities that she makes it seem like it's
Speaker 4: her decision to take the kid on and not the
Speaker 4: other way around. So she's like eventually when she's talking
Speaker 4: to her parents, she's like, Yeah, I just read some
Speaker 4: shit about art therapy and like I googled some stuff.
Speaker 4: And then like this woman was mesmerized, and her parents
Speaker 4: are actually kind of proud. They're like, oh, in another life,
Speaker 4: she would have been such a great cot heart. But
Speaker 4: she's like worked her way into this family by focusing
Speaker 4: on the thing that the mom is most worried about,
Speaker 4: that her kid is like having some kind of psychological
Speaker 4: issue that he's expressing in art, and she does kind
Speaker 4: of say that something happened to this little boy in
Speaker 4: first grade. We later get the story and there is
Speaker 4: a reason for what happened. There's an explanation for what happened.
Speaker 4: He saw something and there's an explanation for it, but
Speaker 4: she's just like super concerned. So this is how this
Speaker 4: family starts working their way in. So basically, at this point,
Speaker 4: we've got Kei Wu is working three days a week
Speaker 4: in the house two hour sessions for tutoring, and now
Speaker 4: Kijung is working four days a week in the house
Speaker 4: during two hour sessions, so they're basically like full brother
Speaker 4: and sister are full time in this house.
Speaker 3: Then we get to meet the.
Speaker 4: Dad, dung Eke, and let me just tell you this
Speaker 4: cast is also so fucking hot. Lee Soon Qune, who
Speaker 4: plays dung Eke, is so handsome handsome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unreal.
Speaker 4: Also, I gotta say I kind of like key Wu
Speaker 4: Choi wu seek is very very cute. If you're not
Speaker 4: going to be a British Man, you should be for me,
Speaker 4: you should be Choi woo sikyah very cute. So the
Speaker 4: dad comes in and he's like, you know, he's exactly
Speaker 4: everything you think it like. He has like this uh,
Speaker 4: like this firm that he runs, like this business and
Speaker 4: it's a very nebulous business. You don't know what it is,
Speaker 4: but it's something with tech or whatever. And he's like
Speaker 4: very poised and confident, and you know, kind of walks
Speaker 4: into his house and just owns the space. So, by
Speaker 4: the way, yeah, died like super young, like right after
Speaker 4: this film too, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he he unlived himself. I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's a better way to say that, But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's actually sad. And I mean then this is like
Speaker 1: a larger issue I think that's happening within the South
Speaker 1: Korean entertainment industry is just the amount of pressure that
Speaker 1: exists for famous people in that country where they're kind
Speaker 1: of expected to be these like perfect people, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, by all accounts, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: just you know, stuff that I've read on the internet
Speaker 1: without doing like a huge dive into it. You know,
Speaker 1: like he cheated on his wife perhaps and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe did some smoke some weed and some other types
Speaker 1: of drugs. But it became this huge scandal to the
Speaker 1: point where you know, I think that you know, obviously
Speaker 1: felt the pressure of it to the extent of which
Speaker 1: he you know, basically committed suicide. And it just and
Speaker 1: now that I'm kind of like paying attention a little
Speaker 1: bit more, I think to that entertainment industry, that seems
Speaker 1: like a very like common thing that happens there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's super common in the extent that,
Speaker 1: but it's happening more there than I think here where
Speaker 1: I think just the celebrity culture there is just so
Speaker 1: tied into respectability, politics and you know, honor and all
Speaker 1: the stuff where I just think that the pressure gets
Speaker 1: to certain individuals. They can't live real lives, you.
Speaker 4: Know, absolutely, which is another facet of wealth and class.
Speaker 4: Like if you reach a certain point in this culture,
Speaker 4: you have to act a certain way and kind of
Speaker 4: fall in line, and if you don't, there are consequences
Speaker 4: one way or the other, by your own hand or
Speaker 4: by our hands, so to speak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a there are pockets of very toxic
Speaker 1: fantom culture like in that country too. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: are all over the world. I mean, just generally, I
Speaker 1: think that fandom obviously is kind of has reached kind
Speaker 1: of a fevered pitch of talks the city in terms
Speaker 1: of just the ways in which certain people feel like
Speaker 1: they own celebrities, right. I mean this guy was pretty
Speaker 1: much our age. He was forty eight when he died,
Speaker 1: and he couldn't be like like in a way, it's
Speaker 1: it's this feeling. I mean, you know, whether or not
Speaker 1: we don't know his personal life, if he had addiction
Speaker 1: issues or if he was really struggling with mental health.
Speaker 1: But it's like I'm sitting here, go this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: was just sort of living a private life and then
Speaker 1: you know, people criticized him to the point where it
Speaker 1: felt like he I don't know, I just think that's
Speaker 1: so I don't know. We got to examine that as
Speaker 1: a culture, like we got to figure out why that's happening,
Speaker 1: and especially there where it feels like it happens a
Speaker 1: lot more, you know than regular So.
Speaker 3: Which is it is? It's a shame.
Speaker 4: And I know that people, especially young women aren't in
Speaker 4: America at least, you know, famous young women are starting
Speaker 4: to speak at about toxic fan culture thing oh like
Speaker 4: Chapel Road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even saw like a thing with Tyler the Creator,
Speaker 1: Like I think that Tyler the Creator, you know, the
Speaker 1: rapper's he's got like a new album out and he
Speaker 1: is basically like, listen, I don't owe you anything, Like
Speaker 1: I am a celebrity, but I I don't know you shit,
Speaker 1: Like you're my fan. You can like the music, but like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a role model. I'm not trying to like
Speaker 1: give you access to my personal life like it ain't happening.
Speaker 4: So you know, good, Yeah, we need good for them
Speaker 4: and we need to address it in a much bigger way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're right, and it is an international issue,
Speaker 3: international issue.
Speaker 1: Sorry to sidebar, but I had to know so important
Speaker 1: sidebar Lisa and Kune.
Speaker 4: So so basically we do meet the dad, like the
Speaker 4: patriarch of the family, and he has this driver June,
Speaker 4: who comes in with him when he comes home, and
Speaker 4: Une gives Ki June a ride home, like the family
Speaker 4: insists that they give her a ride home, and he's
Speaker 4: being a little he's just being very friendly, you know,
Speaker 4: he's really a friendly driver.
Speaker 3: It's kind of chatting with her.
Speaker 4: But Keijun gets an idea while she's sitting in the
Speaker 4: back of that car, and she takes off her underwear
Speaker 4: and leaves it under the seat, And at.
Speaker 3: First you're like, what the fuck is going Like what
Speaker 3: is she doing?
Speaker 4: Because this guy wasn't mean to her or cruel to
Speaker 4: her or anything, like what is she doing? But dong
Speaker 4: Eek finds the underwear and he thinks you and is
Speaker 4: like a total scumbag who's having sex with women in
Speaker 4: his car. So then they like he and his wife
Speaker 4: start speculating about like the kind of woman that he
Speaker 4: slept with, like who would forget her own underwear? She
Speaker 4: must be an addict, Like it's amazing to watch them
Speaker 4: spiral out. It's so hilarious. Yeah, but he basically asked
Speaker 4: his wife to let the driver go, which is another
Speaker 4: one of her duties as the person who manages the house,
Speaker 4: to let her let this driver go. And then, as
Speaker 4: you know, after she does it, she says to Kijung,
Speaker 4: you know, is he weird to you or forward in
Speaker 4: any way? And Keijung is like, no, he was a
Speaker 4: perfect gentleman. He was great. She's like, oh, it sucks.
Speaker 4: It's like we had to let our driver go and
Speaker 4: that's why. Or she jumps in and she's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: my uncle had a driver that was really great. And
Speaker 4: because now mom doesn't trust anyone, but somehow she trusts Jessica.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 4: It is this really interesting conversation where she's like, I
Speaker 4: don't trust anyone anymore. My faith has been so rocked.
Speaker 4: I only trust people I know. And I'm like, but
Speaker 4: you just met her, you just met her. But again,
Speaker 4: wealth blinds you to things when people are being nice
Speaker 4: and helpful to you, I guess. So Kijung is basically like,
Speaker 4: I got the driver for you, and who comes in.
Speaker 3: It's Pops.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, it's Kai Tech. So Pops comes in and
Speaker 4: he's the driver.
Speaker 3: Now we now have three people.
Speaker 4: In this family in this house, and then they all
Speaker 4: together decide to set their sights on the housekeeper. So
Speaker 4: the housekeeper, we eventually learn her name is Moon Gwang
Speaker 4: and she's been there the law longest. She was actually
Speaker 4: the housekeeper for the architect who built it, so she
Speaker 4: came with the house essentially, and the family, the Kim
Speaker 4: family doesn't like it because, like, well, she acts like
Speaker 4: she owns the house and basically, if anyone's gonna find
Speaker 4: them out, it's gonna be her. So they find out
Speaker 4: through Dahai and she's tutoring, you know, in this tutoring
Speaker 4: session with Kiwu, and she's like, oh, I wish I
Speaker 4: could have peaches, but you know, our housekeeper is allergic,
Speaker 4: so we can never have peaches. They fucking jump on that,
Speaker 4: start shaving peach fuzz off of peaches and just kind
Speaker 4: of sprinkling it around moungwog and just giving her all
Speaker 4: these like allergic reactions. Dad takes a picture of her
Speaker 4: at urgent care. He's like, oh, I was there for
Speaker 4: my annual exam and I heard her say she had tuberculosis.
Speaker 4: And then the next and then he tells the mom
Speaker 4: of the family like, oh, yeah, I heard her say
Speaker 4: she had tuberculosis. Like I don't say anything. I'm so sorry,
Speaker 4: but like you should know, and just this whole act
Speaker 4: that they're practicing with each other, like how to talk,
Speaker 4: wild to watch, and they sprinkle peach fuzz near her.
Speaker 4: They cut when they're coming home one day, So the
Speaker 4: mom and Kai Tech come home one day.
Speaker 3: As soon as the housekeeper's.
Speaker 4: Mongwong starts coughing, Kai Tech goes to the garbage can
Speaker 4: and sprays hot sauce on her napkin that she's just
Speaker 4: thrown away so it looks like blood and holds it up,
Speaker 4: and the mom almost passes out, so she's gone. Like
Speaker 4: now housekeeper is also gone, and who comes in? Dad suggests, oh,
Speaker 4: I've got this card for this high class service, you know,
Speaker 4: because you know Don Eek is like, well, I really
Speaker 4: miss her old housekeeper, like she knew how not to cross.
Speaker 3: The line, which was very important for him.
Speaker 4: Which is another thing to discuss about this movie in
Speaker 4: terms of class and wealth disparity, is they don't mind
Speaker 4: being around people who don't have as much money as
Speaker 4: them as long as they don't cross the line, which
Speaker 4: to him is specific, but it feels like everyone kind
Speaker 4: of has their own definition of what that is for
Speaker 4: them when they reach a certain level of wealth.
Speaker 3: So he really misses the.
Speaker 4: Housekeeper and he's like, oh, I've got this perfect person.
Speaker 4: There's the service that was trying to actually, you know,
Speaker 4: head hunt me before I started working for you, and
Speaker 4: they just they just have veteran greed help to vip
Speaker 4: clients like you. So now everyone, the entire Kim family
Speaker 4: is working in the park House and there is a
Speaker 4: moment where Da Song, the little boy kind of sniffs
Speaker 4: the dead and sniffs the sister and he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you all smell the same, because they basically all smell
Speaker 4: like the basement they live in. So again it comes
Speaker 4: back the importance of how they smell and the fact
Speaker 4: that it's discernible. It's something that you know, this wealthy
Speaker 4: child can can pick out as a discussion point or
Speaker 4: something to just know. Is that people smell different from me,
Speaker 4: and they don't smell good to them.
Speaker 3: And that does come back.
Speaker 1: Not enough people talk about smell as being an indicator
Speaker 1: of class.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean, I do, But keep
Speaker 3: going the way in.
Speaker 1: Which people can be really compelled by that notion to
Speaker 1: not smell bad, to not want to smell poor. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know why. When I was watching this movie again,
Speaker 1: I really thought about that, you know, right, And I'm
Speaker 1: just like I'm sitting there going like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what an indictment of poverty to just smell bad, like
Speaker 1: to have that, you know, Like for them, there's a
Speaker 1: scene which I don't know if you'll get to whether
Speaker 1: under the table we're basically like they're forced to listen
Speaker 1: to these rich people like talk about the way in
Speaker 1: which he smells right, and it just crushed me, Like
Speaker 1: I was just like.
Speaker 3: It's felt humiliating.
Speaker 1: So humiliating, and felt like that the kind of it's
Speaker 1: so primal, Like I remember that being such a huge
Speaker 1: issue when we were like in middle school. Like for yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like people would make fun of other people because
Speaker 1: they smelled poor or something, and you're just like, what
Speaker 1: is that is just such a crazy concept to me, I.
Speaker 3: Got made fun of. Oh my god, this fucking fitch.
Speaker 4: I will never reveal her name, but I know her name. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And one day out of nowhere, she's she's like, you
Speaker 4: smell you smell bad? And I was like rocked to
Speaker 4: my core. Yeah, because I'm like, I don't think I do.
Speaker 4: Like I bathe every day, yeah, like I washed my clothes.
Speaker 3: I don't think I do.
Speaker 4: But I also live with like two heavy chainsmokers, and
Speaker 4: yeah we're poor.
Speaker 3: So maybe I do. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a way to like hurt people's feelings, especially
Speaker 1: when we were kids. Like even like ways in which
Speaker 1: like they like you would be wearing perfume, but it
Speaker 1: would be like the shitty like the what like electric
Speaker 1: youth or something. Yeah, And I'm like, I'm sorry, you're
Speaker 1: in seventh grade? Should I be wearing Tom Ford right now?
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck are you thinking? Like, oh, you
Speaker 1: smell like CBS. My god, what a bitch. I just
Speaker 1: feel like, say that good lord. By the way, like
Speaker 1: some of that shit still hits, okay. If I smell
Speaker 1: a guy, if there's a guy that walks in, he's
Speaker 1: warn't curve from Dwayne Reid.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hello, I don't know what thirty bucks.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what anything smells like because I've
Speaker 4: never been able to afford good perfume. Like I don't
Speaker 4: know what anything smells like.
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy it's crazy, like how people get so
Speaker 1: caught up and like the smell thing as an indicator
Speaker 1: of so of people's worthiness.
Speaker 4: And it's also it's beyond your control because there is
Speaker 4: there is a scene where the family is talking about it,
Speaker 4: and it's before the humiliating scene and they're like, well,
Speaker 4: maybe we should each use a different detergent so we
Speaker 4: don't smell like each other. And then finally it's the
Speaker 4: sister who says that none of that matters. It's because
Speaker 4: we live in this semi basement apartment. It's the building
Speaker 4: we live in, like, we will never get rid of
Speaker 4: the smell as long as we live here.
Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lifestyle. So it's fucking wild. It's wild.
Speaker 4: So the family again, Kim family is all in. Park
Speaker 4: family has hired all of them. They're all like thrilled
Speaker 4: they're making money, like they're happiest.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 4: Then the Park family decides to go on a camping
Speaker 4: trip for Das Song's birthday, and this is where you
Speaker 4: see the car full of snow peak shit, and they
Speaker 4: overpack like you wouldn't fucking believe, and they have of course,
Speaker 4: their housekeeper is doing all the packing but they are
Speaker 4: like jamming this car full of the most expensive shit
Speaker 4: you've ever seen in your life to take like an
Speaker 4: eight year old on a camping trip for his birthday.
Speaker 1: I just put in the chat a link to the
Speaker 1: snow Peak website where they sell a pair of chopsticks
Speaker 1: for fifty dollars. If you wonder what kind of what
Speaker 1: kind of shit we're talking about? Like, I mean, when
Speaker 1: I saw like their entire house, like they have this,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess a storage area which plays very
Speaker 1: heavily into this. At some point they got like Snowpeak
Speaker 1: boxes up there. They filled the car out with SNOWFG.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, this is like this is just
Speaker 1: leisure camping equipment, Like this is not year round use.
Speaker 1: This is like, oh, we decided to go camp in
Speaker 1: a couple of times a year, and y'all are putting
Speaker 1: fifty dollars chopsticks in the car like and that's how
Speaker 1: which these people are.
Speaker 4: There are things on this website that are sold out
Speaker 4: that are over seven hundred and fifty dollars for a tent,
Speaker 4: and I am rocked to I feel like I shouldn't
Speaker 4: even be I'm not even I don't make enough.
Speaker 3: I didn't even look at this website.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I will say that I have sadly been in pursuit
Speaker 1: of a couple of these items, and I actually have.
Speaker 1: I have the grill, Like there's a fold a foldable
Speaker 1: grill that I've used my ARII dividend to buy because
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna get that grill.
Speaker 2: It was the last thing I do.
Speaker 1: You know, I need a little piece of Japanese design EXPECD,
Speaker 1: like I need some luxury in my life. You know
Speaker 1: how many times I use that thing? One time will
Speaker 1: and then I got stressed. I used it because I
Speaker 1: was like, it's probably now there's burnt charcoal residue. It's
Speaker 1: beautiful grill.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at a three hundred and nine dollars recycled
Speaker 4: cotton denim jacket that looks very stylish, and if you
Speaker 4: ever see me in one, that's how you know I've
Speaker 4: made it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: But also this is the kind of website where they
Speaker 4: do not show you the prices.
Speaker 3: You don't know the price, so you click through.
Speaker 4: They're like if you don't, if you have to be
Speaker 4: worried about the price, you shouldn't even be on this
Speaker 4: fucking website.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Well that's how they go, and.
Speaker 4: That's how it is in this family. They don't even
Speaker 4: think about the money they spend. They just have so
Speaker 4: much of it they don't even think about it. So
Speaker 4: they pack this fucking car full of like you said,
Speaker 4: one use items a year maybe, Yeah, and they pack
Speaker 4: it fucking full and go away for the weekend.
Speaker 3: And it's unreal.
Speaker 4: It's unreal to watch them and their expensive car from
Speaker 4: their fancy house and this that's just again markers of
Speaker 4: wealth everywhere. Yes, but the Kim family is like, yes,
Speaker 4: they're gone, and they take over the house and it's
Speaker 4: pouring rain and they get drunk and it is so
Speaker 4: fucking funny, yeah, to watch them in this scene. But
Speaker 4: they're also kind of speculating because now Kiwu is like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I really like d and I think I'm gonna marry her.
Speaker 4: So now they're speculating like, well, if I do, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna have to bring in actors to play my mother
Speaker 4: and father since you already work here. Yeah, And they're
Speaker 4: kind of like spinning this tale about how much more
Speaker 4: embedded they're gonna get in this family. But they're also
Speaker 4: talking about the family itself and how gullible the parks are,
Speaker 4: and the mom at one point is like, yeah, rich
Speaker 4: people are naive. Money irons out all the creases. They're
Speaker 4: just kind of aware of what they're doing. And again
Speaker 4: it's kind of parasitic what they're doing, but then they're
Speaker 4: also and you don't have to make a direct parasite
Speaker 4: like metaphorical shift here to understand the film. But it
Speaker 4: is interesting is if you watch it more than one
Speaker 4: time to kind of start to make these connections. But
Speaker 4: they're having a great time until the old housekeeper comes
Speaker 4: back because she has left something in the house that
Speaker 4: is directly tied to the basement room that we've seen
Speaker 4: with all the plumb extract and equipment and you know,
Speaker 4: just stuff that this family has. And I gotta say,
Speaker 4: when she comes back, all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 1: What does it?
Speaker 4: The movie shifts into something remarkable, and then the family
Speaker 4: comes back because it's been raining and they're like, they
Speaker 4: give an eight minute eta, So now everyone is trying
Speaker 4: to like clean up their drunken mess, deal with this
Speaker 4: housekeeper that's come back and all the shit that she's
Speaker 4: bringing into the end of the fray.
Speaker 3: They're hiding under the table.
Speaker 4: They're like, it's just I don't want to go beyond
Speaker 4: that point to describe this film because it will ruin
Speaker 4: the movie for you. Just know that when the housekeeper
Speaker 4: comes back, all hell breaks loose and you will find
Speaker 4: yourself questioning who the parasite really is in this movie.
Speaker 4: And I don't think that wealth prevents you from being parasitic.
Speaker 4: But it's just stunning. It's a masterpiece. It's a stunning,
Speaker 4: stunning movie. Incredible topic, incredible presentation. I could obviously talk
Speaker 4: about it forever. It is also over to Both of
Speaker 4: our movies are almost two and a half hours long,
Speaker 4: so you're in for like a five hour masterclass on
Speaker 4: wealth disparity if you watch both of them back to back.
Speaker 4: But I fucking love it. I love this movie. I
Speaker 4: think everyone should watch it multiple times and different times
Speaker 4: in their life.
Speaker 3: It's stunning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it won the Oscar, it won everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like and was the first am I wrong? It was
Speaker 1: the first South Korean film to ever win Best Pictures.
Speaker 1: I mean this, You can't really, honestly, you cannot overstress
Speaker 1: the importance of how this movie, like this was a
Speaker 1: period I think too where South Korean culture was coming
Speaker 1: into America in a huge way, you know, because it
Speaker 1: wasn't just parasite. It was like, you know obviously like
Speaker 1: stuff like BTS and Squid Game and you know, K
Speaker 1: dramas and you know, all this stuff was coming. But
Speaker 1: this movie kind of to me when it won the
Speaker 1: Oscar felt like, okay, like now we're in this cultural
Speaker 1: moment where you know, these kind of self created exports
Speaker 1: are now coming in America and getting like critical acclaim
Speaker 1: and it, you know, which is very interesting to.
Speaker 3: Me, you know, And.
Speaker 2: I think obviously like this movie is saying a lot
Speaker 2: about class in this very specific, you know, time period
Speaker 2: that we're living in, I think we're still living in.
Speaker 2: And there's so many like little layers to it that
Speaker 2: I just really enjoy it. Like I saw after seeing
Speaker 2: it again, I was like, oh, yeah, this movie is
Speaker 2: really textured, and there's a lot going on here in
Speaker 2: the ways in which like, yeah, how do people like
Speaker 2: navigate class? Because you've got like, you know, the obvious
Speaker 2: story where it's like, you know, you've got these you know,
Speaker 2: poor people infiltrating this rich family. But then there's the
Speaker 2: old housekeeper and that story and how those people clash
Speaker 2: and you're kind of like, Okay, so now these people
Speaker 2: who are both effectively poor, how do they fight each
Speaker 2: other for the you know, to stay in the lives
Speaker 2: of this rich family.
Speaker 1: And you're just like, yeah, man.
Speaker 3: And it also becomes a really interesting as does your film.
Speaker 4: When you're talking about class, you also can't help but
Speaker 4: talk about power. So it becomes a really interesting study,
Speaker 4: or at least examination of power dynamics as they relate
Speaker 4: to class dynamics. Because someone in the Kim's position gets
Speaker 4: a little bit of money, suddenly they're treating some people
Speaker 4: a little bit differently, or they act a little differently,
Speaker 4: or they kind of start to again aspire to this
Speaker 4: role of wealth to the point where it changes who
Speaker 4: they are and how they treat people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that is a huge topic in my film.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, which I also loved. I did not know
Speaker 4: anything about your movie when I watched it the first time,
Speaker 4: and I was riveted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to talk about it a little bit.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about it a lot of it.
Speaker 1: A lot of it.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, My movie for the theme Eat Oho Riitch is
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty two. It was written and directed by
Speaker 1: Ruben Ausland and it's called Triangle of Sadness.
Speaker 3: Pain for the tickets not better though, So what do
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 1: I sell suit, No, it's really funny because you would,
Speaker 1: like you just said that you didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: this movie too, one of the funnest things to figure out. So, okay,
Speaker 1: when I when I first saw this movie, I knew
Speaker 1: it was a Ruben Auslin movie. He did like force
Speaker 1: majeure in this in the Square is may I yeah,
Speaker 1: and like and like to that point, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he specifically is a director that's very very
Speaker 1: much making provocative films that are you know, kind of
Speaker 1: addressing class and the economies of people rich and poor.
Speaker 1: And there are some people that I know that think
Speaker 1: that he's you know, like that is kind of like
Speaker 1: an eye rolly, like oh this another Like, especially when
Speaker 1: Triangle of Sadness came out, I had quite a few
Speaker 1: friends who are like, oh, really, like this is so obvious.
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, I'll take it. I will take the
Speaker 1: deconstruction of you know, capitalism in its modern form right now.
Speaker 1: I spent I've spent the last year listening to K pop.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any critical thinking happening in that
Speaker 1: world mostly for the most part, like Sabrina Carpenter's and
Speaker 1: the Ariatic Grandees God bless you. But do you think
Speaker 1: that they're deconstructing like class in a very like deep
Speaker 1: and interesting way.
Speaker 3: No, Nope.
Speaker 1: So like let this.
Speaker 2: Guy cook, Okay, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Why are we getting so caught up? And like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like so obvious when he's trying to say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like people on a like yeah, there's like nobody
Speaker 1: out here making that kind of shit right now, just
Speaker 1: let me have that.
Speaker 4: Also, the things that Ruben Auslin is focusing on is
Speaker 4: the nuances that go along with that. That is what's
Speaker 4: interesting to me is it's not just its overall statement
Speaker 4: about wealth. He's looking at the nuances and things that
Speaker 4: you can find within yourself that you replicate that could
Speaker 4: eventually make you one of these people.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Like this isn't like I know it's that
Speaker 1: super punk rock to be to this movie isn't super
Speaker 1: fucking punk rock. And I trust me, I am capable
Speaker 1: of that type of thinking. But like, sometimes you just
Speaker 1: have to accept the market are doing its like little
Speaker 1: form of resistance and just let it go and move on.
Speaker 1: Like it's at least in the right it's at least.
Speaker 2: Fighting a good fight, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: the exactly.
Speaker 1: Cinophiles with your fucking opinions.
Speaker 4: Anyway, ran over, not for long because we had a
Speaker 4: lot of talk about.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so this is kind of in the trilogy
Speaker 1: about toxic masculinity, which again I will take all day
Speaker 1: long love a takedown of toxic masculinity. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: care if it swings for the fences, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I'm in. So when this movie came out, I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about it and I just I saw the
Speaker 1: the poster in it was a boat, right, So I thought,
Speaker 1: triangle of sadness? Are they talking about Bermuda triangle? Perhaps?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know what that meant. But
Speaker 1: the best part is when the opening moments of the
Speaker 1: film where you find out what that means, what is
Speaker 1: that's in reference to, which is so funny. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't even realize that was a thing
Speaker 1: that people said. And what a stupid thing, What.
Speaker 3: A stupid.
Speaker 2: What a stupid phrase for the stupidest thing.
Speaker 1: So the trigle of sadness, if you haven't heard, if
Speaker 1: you've not read the Internet. It's basically a section of
Speaker 1: someone's forehead that makes you look old and shitty where
Speaker 1: they can like botox that shit out and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you're popular and hot. That's base.
Speaker 2: That's basically what it is.
Speaker 1: And it's like an industry term for like I don't know,
Speaker 1: plastic surgeons and models and other people that care about
Speaker 1: that stuff, where it's like basically the old looking part
Speaker 1: of your forehead that you can.
Speaker 3: Fix, which I never heard about until I watched this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that is kind of the you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of undercurrent of the film, right because you've
Speaker 1: got this model, actually we've got two models. You've got
Speaker 1: the lead of this film, who is played by the
Speaker 1: actor Harris Dickinson. Okay, Harris Dickinson's having a moment right now,
Speaker 1: having a moment culturally but also in my brain. Most recently,
Speaker 1: he there's been a lot of articles about his new
Speaker 1: movie that's coming out with Nicole Kidman called Baby Girl,
Speaker 1: which is supposed to be like an erotic thriller, older woman,
Speaker 1: younger man type of scenario. Gotta say, I will probably
Speaker 1: watch that film. I also recently, because of that press
Speaker 1: junket I suppose that that they're on for this film
Speaker 1: or whatever is happening promotion for the film. I saw
Speaker 1: an interview with Harris Dickinson and Andrew Garfield where he
Speaker 1: reveals that he's an old man skateboarder. Really both they
Speaker 1: both skate, and then because they're old, they now switched
Speaker 1: to surfing because the bodies can't take the you know,
Speaker 1: constant falling on the ground and shit. And I was like,
Speaker 1: did you just tell me that Harris Dickinson is a skateboarder.
Speaker 3: And Andrew Garfield is a skater? I know?
Speaker 1: And they were like the ways in which they're swapping, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like Old Guy Skate Stories. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a moment here, Wait.
Speaker 4: A minute, Old Guy Skate Stories a movie about an
Speaker 4: older woman, younger man.
Speaker 3: I feel like I can make this happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that I like looked him
Speaker 1: up on the internet for hours one night, ah, but
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like I remember him. This is the
Speaker 1: first time I ever saw him is in Trial with
Speaker 1: Sadness Sadness, But then he was also in The Iron Claw,
Speaker 1: you know, so I just was like, he's kind of
Speaker 1: in he's in the in the moment. Yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: in his late twenties. He's hot, he's a skateboarder. He's
Speaker 1: now he's gonna be in the you know, the Sleeping
Speaker 1: with Your Intern movie that we're all gonna watch because
Speaker 1: we're horning old people. I don't know, I like him.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that I like him really. So essentially
Speaker 1: in this movie, Harris Dickinson's character is, uh, he's a model,
Speaker 1: and and the thing about it is that I read
Speaker 1: that Ruben Auslin's wife is a fashion photographer, and so
Speaker 1: he has a lot of you know, firsthand knowledge basically
Speaker 1: about that industry and about you know, this concept that
Speaker 1: male models do not make as much money as female models. Right.
Speaker 1: And this is again going back to this concept of
Speaker 1: like the triangle of sadness, the way in which we
Speaker 1: have to like get this you know a or old er,
Speaker 1: you know, unsightly thing away from us, Like we're always
Speaker 1: in this pursuit of being young and beautiful. Right, it's
Speaker 1: like one of the only industries where male males make
Speaker 1: less than women.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And this is like his anxiety is that he's not
Speaker 1: he's basically treated he's kind of in a feminized position
Speaker 1: where he's being treated, you know, in a way in
Speaker 1: his industry that like he's being debased.
Speaker 3: I suppose.
Speaker 1: He's got this beautiful girlfriend who is also a model.
Speaker 1: His name is Karl, her name is Yayah. She's played
Speaker 1: by Charleby Dean, who sadly also passed away very young. Right,
Speaker 1: But that kind of the thing about both of our
Speaker 1: movies this week, right, is like very sad deaths of
Speaker 1: some cast members.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about her she died of sepsis,
Speaker 1: which I almost died of sepsis. So I feel like
Speaker 1: I have something in common with her. And it was
Speaker 1: because and I noticed this in the film. She has
Speaker 1: a scar that I have. Oh, that's right, So she
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see it's kind of noticeable, but
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, basically like a scar that runs
Speaker 1: down the middle of her body. And I read that
Speaker 1: she had her spleen removed many many years ago, and
Speaker 1: because of that, she was more susceptible to like bacterial infections,
Speaker 1: and that's eventually what killed her, is a bacterial affection.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, like, you know, obviously, like
Speaker 1: anytime I hear somebody having a bacterial affection and almost
Speaker 1: dying from it. I'm like, I feel connected to you
Speaker 1: because I went through it. It was awful, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: she unfortunately passed away and she was only thirty two,
Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, oh, I know, very tragic. But so
Speaker 1: in this film, basically, you know, Carl and Yaya a couple.
Speaker 1: He is clear really try to navigate this relationship where
Speaker 1: she makes more money than him. She is definitely about
Speaker 1: that influencer life. You know, she takes pictures of herself
Speaker 1: or the jokes are like so funny, like you know,
Speaker 1: she's in a restaurant pretending to eat pasta. She did
Speaker 1: eat pasta, And it's also wild because of her status
Speaker 1: as a model slash influencer.
Speaker 4: They're having this interesting discussion about wealth disparity. Yeah, between them,
Speaker 4: the two of them in their industry and just in
Speaker 4: their personal lives.
Speaker 3: And she gets everything for free.
Speaker 4: So her concept of generosity is like, well I gave
Speaker 4: you this shirt, and he's like, you got the shirt
Speaker 4: for free. Well, I took you on this trip. You
Speaker 4: got the trip for free. You're not being as generous
Speaker 4: as you think. Could you make so much more money
Speaker 4: than me that you are never spending yeah.
Speaker 1: And like they have a very uncomfortable conversation at the
Speaker 1: beginning about paying for dinner, you know, where it's obviously
Speaker 1: she makes a lot more money than him, but she
Speaker 1: expects him to pay all the time, and he kind
Speaker 1: of wants, you know, parody between the two of them,
Speaker 1: and she's just kind of like, what, like you gotta
Speaker 1: pay or my boyfriend type of thing. And it just
Speaker 1: really triggers me because I'm like, my whole life has
Speaker 1: been about making my own money. I never want people
Speaker 1: to pay for me. And I think it's just because
Speaker 1: I have this, like, really it's a deep seated self
Speaker 1: sufficiency that sometimes I need to work on. I gotta
Speaker 1: let that shit go. Sometimes you've got to let people
Speaker 1: pay for you. It really it really slightly, you know,
Speaker 1: But in those moments when I watch this film, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh God, this is so uncomfortable. Fuck, like,
Speaker 1: get me out of here. I just so that's this
Speaker 1: beginning of the stress. This is when I started getting
Speaker 1: really stressed out about watching this film. Again.
Speaker 3: Was this the text moment?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, The text moment comes, you know, it
Speaker 1: was fairly soon after. So basically, like you alluded to,
Speaker 1: she gets this free cruise on this like luxury yacht,
Speaker 1: you know, and it becomes so the first part is
Speaker 1: kind of about them, you know, sort of navigating their
Speaker 1: model influencer relationship, right, which is obviously very ridiculous to normal.
Speaker 3: People like us.
Speaker 1: Right, then it moves onto the boat, and then the
Speaker 1: boat section is it's all kind of contained universe, because
Speaker 1: then it becomes a sort of like you know, you've
Speaker 1: seen it in a below deck. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: an upstairs downstairs type of feeling, right, because you've got
Speaker 1: like the guests who are all rich, wealthy industrialists and
Speaker 1: models and influencers, and then the people who are working
Speaker 1: for them, and then even beyond that, you've got like
Speaker 1: the the top of deck, and then you've got the below,
Speaker 1: the guts, the yeah, you know, which is like you
Speaker 1: got the white, pretty people who are the staff, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you've got the people working below who clean
Speaker 1: toilets and cook and our mechanics.
Speaker 3: And whatnot, and they're all brown people.
Speaker 1: Listen, all Filipinos down there, all Filipinos. And we'll talk
Speaker 1: about a very important one in just a second, but like,
Speaker 1: so basically, you know, you've got this scenario where all
Speaker 1: of these different people of these different social statuses and
Speaker 1: wealth uh statuses are interacting with each other. Right, So
Speaker 1: what ends up happening is you're just really really honed
Speaker 1: in on the ways in which like rich people suck.
Speaker 1: And this is the this is where I started get
Speaker 1: stressed out. Where there's a scene where Karl and Yaya
Speaker 1: are interacting with it's like much older couple. There's an
Speaker 1: older guy who is kind of this like Russian uh
Speaker 1: shit salesman as he calls himself. He's kind of like
Speaker 1: an industrialist who sells fertilizer and his wife and his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I believe that's kind of where he's he's on the
Speaker 1: trip with never explained.
Speaker 3: But completely explicit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So you know, these guy and his his
Speaker 1: you know wife and his girlfriend are kind of hanging
Speaker 1: out in the boat. So there's a scene where I
Speaker 1: guess it's his wife is in the pool, yes, and
Speaker 1: she basically is sitting there while this like young fresh
Speaker 1: faced white girl in her you know, sailor's outfit is
Speaker 1: basically pouring her champagne and this woman is basically like,
Speaker 1: you're so wonderful, get in the pool, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm working, and this woman absolutely insists that
Speaker 1: she gets into.
Speaker 3: The pool well and not take no for an answer.
Speaker 1: This scene is so deeply uncomfortable because you're literally watching
Speaker 1: this girl like trying to, you know, basically do her
Speaker 1: job while this woman is forcing her to do something
Speaker 1: that she feels. Is this like a galitarian statement, like oh,
Speaker 1: we're all one, we can all swim in the pool together.
Speaker 1: And this girl is like, absolutely can't do that, and
Speaker 1: you're making me do it because I'm supposed to be
Speaker 1: serving you.
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to say yes to anything you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then it becomes so ridiculous that this woman,
Speaker 1: this older woman, forces the entire boat to go down
Speaker 1: the water slide.
Speaker 4: It is like a death march watching them go towards
Speaker 4: this slide. If not that part made me stressed out too,
Speaker 4: because I'm like, oh, this is not this is this
Speaker 4: is not enjoyable for anyone. And she's you know this,
Speaker 4: this Russian rich woman is getting some sense of pride
Speaker 4: but also generosity that she is the one who's giving
Speaker 4: these hard working people a day, a moment of fun.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, you're actually fucking dinner, You're fucking the
Speaker 4: whole ship, right, nobody wants to be doing this. You're
Speaker 4: forcing this on people because you have enough money to
Speaker 4: take the kind of trip where nobody can say no
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like she thinks that she's liberating all these like poor,
Speaker 1: stressed out, working class people, and really she's just ruining
Speaker 1: people's fucking day. So there's so much of that in
Speaker 1: this film, these like little moments that really kind of
Speaker 1: bring up the questions of like, you know, who has
Speaker 1: power in the scenario, you know, who's subservient to others.
Speaker 1: I won't like go super beat by beat because there's
Speaker 1: again it's a long movie, but I will say that
Speaker 1: eventually there's a event that happens on the boat. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably the what it's known for in terms
Speaker 1: of its notoriety of the film, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it involves you know, puking. Let's just say that. But
Speaker 1: basically the boat ends up for several different reasons basically
Speaker 1: well I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, like sole compromised, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just the whole apparatus gets shut down and it
Speaker 1: forces the third section, where it's essentially kind of like
Speaker 1: Survivor or Lost, where it moves on to like an
Speaker 1: island where there are some members of the boat who
Speaker 1: have washed up on this island and now they have
Speaker 1: to kind of exist together while they wait to be rescued.
Speaker 1: And this is where I think I mean the message
Speaker 1: of how a crisis in environment like the ways in
Speaker 1: which the playing field gets completely leveled class wise, when
Speaker 1: you are at a survival scenario.
Speaker 4: Right, your money doesn't matter, Yes, when it becomes clear
Speaker 4: that money will not save you right, anything right.
Speaker 1: And as it regularly is, the people of the underclass,
Speaker 1: the working class, the poor have the survival skills and
Speaker 1: these rich focks don't have them. Right, absolutely, So there's
Speaker 1: this inversion that happens where this Philipeda salute named Abigail,
Speaker 1: who is played by the actress Dolly de Leon. She
Speaker 1: got a lot of praise for this role when she
Speaker 1: was in it. She was the former toilet manager on
Speaker 1: the yacht and now she's the captain. And when I
Speaker 1: tell you the scene where she cooks the octopus, there's
Speaker 1: a she catches an octopus with her bare fucking hands,
Speaker 1: just like a fucking Filipino. Auntie Wood, by the way,
Speaker 1: like love love that part. She comes back, she cooks
Speaker 1: the octopus.
Speaker 3: She stops fire.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's just and then she's like, all right,
Speaker 1: you get a piece, you get a piece, you get
Speaker 1: a piece. This is for me. And everyone's like what,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna And then you know, her former boss,
Speaker 1: who was kind of like, I don't know, the like
Speaker 1: entertainment director on the boat, is like trying to tell
Speaker 1: her what to do, and she's like, uh uh not here,
Speaker 1: you are not my boss. Here, I'm the captain. And
Speaker 1: she just walks around. It's like she's like looking at everybody.
Speaker 1: She's like, who am I? And they're like the captain
Speaker 1: and she throws some piece of I swear I stood
Speaker 1: up and clapped in the theater. I stood. It was like,
Speaker 1: this is what I want to see. I want to
Speaker 1: see a philippin, a middle aged Filipino woman weaponizing octopus
Speaker 1: and pretzel sticks. This is what I want out of entertainment.
Speaker 1: Oh good period. And but to that point it gets
Speaker 1: further complicated because that's the kind of constant conversation in
Speaker 1: the film. Is that what happens when the power changes, right,
Speaker 1: Because then it becomes this thing where Albigail is now
Speaker 1: the most powerful person on the island. How does she
Speaker 1: navigate that new role sometimes questionably, and it involves you know,
Speaker 1: Carl essentially where his status changes absolutely. And it's just
Speaker 1: such a fascinating film in that way, because again, it
Speaker 1: is doing a lot, it is saying a lot, it's
Speaker 1: creating little pockets of thought in terms of how we
Speaker 1: think about wealth and power and this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Like, like I said, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people when they watch this movie were like, oh,
Speaker 1: how obvious. Yes, we get it. Rich people are bad.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll take it. I will at this point.
Speaker 4: And that's not the only commentary that the film is giving. Again,
Speaker 4: it's a real rich it's a very rich text that
Speaker 4: looks at the dynamics of class and power.
Speaker 3: And it's not just rich people are bad.
Speaker 4: It's look at all the ways that we are complicit
Speaker 4: in this world, Look at all the ways that we
Speaker 4: aspire to this, Look at all the ways that this
Speaker 4: is destructive to us, look at all the ways that
Speaker 4: this is You know that you can have someone who's
Speaker 4: doing objectionably horrible things in the world, like they are
Speaker 4: grenade manufacturers, Yeah, trying to present themselves as if they
Speaker 4: are saviors in some way, Like I think it's so much,
Speaker 4: it goes so much beyond rich people are terrible that
Speaker 4: if that's your takeaway from this movie, I don't know
Speaker 4: if we watch the same film.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I agree, and like, honestly like the thing
Speaker 1: that unites our movies this week, and part of the
Speaker 1: reason why I felt like it was so stressful is
Speaker 1: the ways in which poor people have a desperation in
Speaker 1: their lives that rich people just don't like. People who
Speaker 1: are extremely wealthy have no idea what it's like to
Speaker 1: be not on top. They just don't have the skill set,
Speaker 1: they don't have the understanding. And the problem really becomes
Speaker 1: when we're all subject to this dynamic, right because we're
Speaker 1: all infighting. We're all infighting trying to get on their level.
Speaker 4: There's also this message in the film, this subtext in
Speaker 4: the film, I will say, which is about equality and
Speaker 4: how in several points in the film and the modeling
Speaker 4: on the yacht and beyond, there's this notion of the
Speaker 4: most rich and powerful people insisting that everyone is equal
Speaker 4: in this world. Yeah, and the lie that you have
Speaker 4: to tell yourself to believe that is astounding. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 4: while you are enacting all of these privileges of wealth
Speaker 4: and power and insisting that we are equal, which is
Speaker 4: what keeps us fighting with each other right instead of them.
Speaker 4: Is this revelation that you or this notion that well,
Speaker 4: we're not too different from each other.
Speaker 3: You could become me, I could become you, And it's
Speaker 3: not true.
Speaker 4: You are closer to being poor and on the street
Speaker 4: than you will ever be to being a millionaire or
Speaker 4: a billionaire.
Speaker 1: If burken bags make you actually happy, like if you
Speaker 1: go to bed every night thinking about your broken bag
Speaker 1: and being like, man, I'm so glad to have that back.
Speaker 1: It's really great. Quality holds all my things, It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Fine.
Speaker 1: It's more just about the promotion of this like fucking
Speaker 1: rich lifestyle on you know, social media, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: just basically the flex of it. The flex of it
Speaker 1: is what makes people feel like shit. And there are
Speaker 1: people who are just literally like making money, being able
Speaker 1: to flex wealth. And then that's what's I feel like,
Speaker 1: at least, you know, you know my take of it,
Speaker 1: it's it's creating the weird moment of being like loving
Speaker 1: rich people and wanting to see the kind of shit
Speaker 1: that they own, and then hating them and wishing you know,
Speaker 1: it was different. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's a losing game of thoughts. Yeah, it's a losing game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One thing that's that's stunning to me about the four
Speaker 4: years we've been doing this podcast is that apparently I'm
Speaker 4: a socialist, who.
Speaker 2: Are Marx's queen?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Apparently apparently.
Speaker 1: Look, I I'm here for it all day, every day.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I got that fucking I got
Speaker 2: that punk fire in me too, you know.
Speaker 3: But what a fucking great week, what a week? Stoke
Speaker 3: that fire?
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