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Speaker 1: Hey, Oh my god, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: I'm not ready for you.

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Speaker 3: I thought I want to talk about that's bullshit.

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Speaker 4: We don't need setup.

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Speaker 2: This is okay, That's what I thought.

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Speaker 5: One afternoon, I see a white envelope sitting in my

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Speaker 5: mailbox in Brooklyn, stamped in red letters. It says mailed

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Speaker 5: from a state correctional institution, and on the top left

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Speaker 5: of the envelope, I see his name, Oh Journey. I

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Speaker 5: had to call Kelsey right away. She was back in

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Speaker 5: her home state of North Carolina after months of living

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Speaker 5: between Florida and Brooklyn, reporting on the Leo Schofield case

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Speaker 5: with me. Okay, it looks like it's it's on prison

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Speaker 5: paper and it's not the original thing.

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Speaker 6: I said, Okay, just read it.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, oh.

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Speaker 2: My God, says I want you to know that Polk

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Speaker 2: County gave me a call about you. I don't think

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Speaker 2: you can come see me. Who knows what will happen?

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Speaker 2: And that is sad when they can't see that.

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Speaker 7: I have kept my damn mouth shut for thirty one

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Speaker 7: years Schofield case.

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Speaker 2: Let's say he should be out. I've thought about writing

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Speaker 2: my story that no one wants to hear. I just

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Speaker 2: don't really know how gotta go Jay.

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Speaker 8: Scott moment.

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Speaker 5: That has my field.

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Speaker 8: Sut sory in this vass.

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Speaker 9: To see gralation, brag desbish to the world.

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Speaker 2: Solding, s.

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Speaker 5: To the word solding, So.

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Speaker 10: Things Bone Valley, Chapter eight.

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Speaker 5: Dear mister King, I'd started writing Jeremy because honestly, I

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Speaker 5: didn't know what else to do. After working on this

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Speaker 5: story for a year, the evidence I'd seen pointed more

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Speaker 5: and more towards Jeremy Scott as Michelle Schofield's killer. So

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Speaker 5: I sent my letters out hoping that Jeremy might decide

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Speaker 5: to open up to me, to converse in a way

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Speaker 5: that he hadn't with the lawyers, investigators, and cold case

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Speaker 5: detectives who read him his rights and make him swear

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Speaker 5: under oath. I just want to have a conversation with him,

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Speaker 5: to hear the story he says that no one wants

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Speaker 5: to hear. But we need to back up for a

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Speaker 5: minute to September of twenty nineteen, about ten months before

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Speaker 5: I got Jeremy's letter. So we're here at the Tampa

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Speaker 5: Law Center in Tampa, Florida. We're here for the second

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Speaker 5: DCA Oral Arguments after studying every detail of Leo's case

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Speaker 5: over the past year. This is the first legal proceeding

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Speaker 5: we get to see for ourselves the deciding factor. But

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Speaker 5: this moment, this particular appeal, is everything for Leo. This

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Speaker 5: could really kill all his chances of going forward at

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Speaker 5: this moment, and I think this is almost like his

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Speaker 5: last chance. The reason we're here is because the judge

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Speaker 5: in the last hearing denied Leo a new trial, even

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Speaker 5: after watching Jeremy Scott confess to killing Michelle Schofield in court. So,

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Speaker 5: in spite of the forensic evidence linking Jeremy Scott to

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Speaker 5: still no physical evidence and no direct evidence tying Leo

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Speaker 5: Schofield to the murder of his wife, a single judge

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Speaker 5: ruled that Jeremy Scott was not credible and his confession

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Speaker 5: to killing Michelle was not believable. But Leo those lawyers

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Speaker 5: appealed the judge's decision and won.

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Speaker 5: Now, almost two years after Jeremy Scott confessed on the stand,

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Speaker 5: Leo was given another chance to make his case in

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Speaker 5: court to argue that he deserves a new trial. This

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Speaker 5: hearing will be before a panel of three judges seated

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Speaker 5: on the Second District Court of Appeal. It's about to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what you're like, trying to get somewhere

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Speaker 4: on time. Oh yeah, don't get stressed.

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Speaker 1: But you made it.

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Speaker 5: Everything's fine. They're just starting to see people. So you

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Speaker 5: guys are in great shape. How are you am I today?

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Speaker 11: Hmmm, I don't I don't know if I have a

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Speaker 5: Actually, just.

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Speaker 8: Hopeful.

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Speaker 11: Hopeful, Yeah, that's probably.

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Speaker 5: The best word. At Leo's last hearing, Chrisy witnessed how

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Speaker 5: Jeremy Scott withstood the prosecutor's verbal abuse. How by the

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Speaker 5: end of his testimony, Jeremy maintained that it was he

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Speaker 5: alone who killed Michelle Schofield back in February of nineteen

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Speaker 11: It's maddening that we are still here all these years later,

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Speaker 11: and I was thinking about it's been two years since

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Speaker 11: I got the call about the confession. Two years. He

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Speaker 11: described in detail what he did, how he did it,

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Speaker 11: we're still talking about this.

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Speaker 5: If these three judges don't grant Leo a new trial,

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Speaker 5: it will become even harder for him to successfully appeal

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Speaker 5: to a higher court and get another opportunity to prove

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Speaker 5: his innocence. Leo isn't allowed here to watch the hearing,

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Speaker 5: and he won't find out how it went until he

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Speaker 11: He's hopeful, but he's also afraid. He's afraid that we'll

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Speaker 11: get more of the same. He's afraid that he'll disappoint

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Speaker 11: his family. When I think about that is when I

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Speaker 11: get choked up, because he doesn't disappoint us. But so

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Speaker 11: that's where he is.

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Speaker 12: So that's that I think we should go in.

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Speaker 5: The room is more like a lecture hall than a courtroom,

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Speaker 5: but there's a tenseness in the air. More than a

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Speaker 5: dozen people have come in support of Leo. They are

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Speaker 5: all aware that this may be Leo's last chance for justice.

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Speaker 13: You know my name is, said Seth Miller from the

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Speaker 13: Edison's Project Flores, my co counsel mis Stolen, who will

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Speaker 13: not arguing.

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Speaker 5: Today, First, Leo's attorney, Seth Miller from the Innocence Project

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Speaker 5: the new evidence of Jeremy Scott's confession to killing Michelle.

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Speaker 5: He only has twenty minutes to present his case, but

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Speaker 5: the judges can interrupt at any point to ask questions.

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Speaker 7: We have additional fact.

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Speaker 5: That Seth brings up. How there are certain details Jeremy

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Speaker 5: knows that only the murderer could know, how Jeremy's story

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Speaker 5: is consistent with the forensic evidence, and how Michelle was

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Speaker 5: found in the same spot that Jeremy used to take

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Speaker 5: his girlfriend Jamie Nellams. But just a minute into his argument,

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Speaker 5: the judges are already interrupting with questions, and before long

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Speaker 5: they veer away from Jeremy Scott's confession and instead dredge

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Speaker 5: up the same so called evidence from the original trial,

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Speaker 5: like Leo's father's weird behavior.

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Speaker 13: His ex girlfriend Jamie Nellens testified that he used to

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Speaker 14: Then few mornings after the incident, the defendant's father had

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Speaker 5: Is what really bothers me listening to the judges questions,

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Speaker 5: is that Leo Senior's story about a vision from God

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Speaker 5: what happened. Leo Senior had been searching for Michelle for

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Speaker 5: told by a distraught and troubled man. And so, with

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Speaker 5: a new jury at a new trial. Impact and that's

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Speaker 5: all Leo and his lawyers are asking for. They're not

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Speaker 5: asking for Leo to walk out of prison today. They're

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Speaker 5: just asking for a new jury to decide his fate.

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Speaker 5: After Seth takes a seat, the attorney for the state

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Speaker 5: there is one time the state says that you can

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Speaker 5: believe Jeremy when he says he didn't kill Michelle.

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Speaker 13: His version of events, which was deemed credible by his

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Speaker 5: This is the preposterous position the state is forced to

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Speaker 5: Attorney's office has already prosecuted Jeremy Scott twice for murder.

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Speaker 13: If this court does not have any further questions, I

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Speaker 13: the motion for newly discovered evidence thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: The hearing doesn't last long, about thirty minutes, and then

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Speaker 5: don't know how to feel. It's hard to read what

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Speaker 5: But now the waiting begins. For the next eight months.

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Speaker 5: But parole is not ideal for Leo because even if

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Speaker 5: a lot of ways, Leo is the perfect candidate for parole.

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Speaker 5: He's a model inmate who's obtained multiple college degrees and

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Speaker 17: I've graduated college, I've gotten awards from the toast Masters.

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Speaker 17: I can't do anything else. There's nothing else to do here.

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Speaker 17: I've been the pastor of the Messionic community here since

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Speaker 5: Leo hasn't had a single disciplinary infraction in fourteen years.

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Speaker 5: In fact, over his thirty years in prison, he's been

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Speaker 5: Leo has all of that lined up. He has dozens

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Speaker 18: I read through it and I was like, dang man,

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Speaker 5: Do you believe that Jeremy Scott killed your sister? I

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Speaker 18: I think he did. Yeah, And I think that Leo's

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Speaker 5: And you know, it's it.

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Speaker 18: It bothers me. It makes me sad, you know that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the parole hearing, it started pretty early in the morning.

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Speaker 5: It's January eighth, twenty twenty, about four months after the

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Speaker 5: in time for Leo's parole hearing. I had something scheduled

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Speaker 6: Texted Gilbert, I said, don't see Hill yet.

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Speaker 5: Jerry Hill was John Aguero's boss at the time of

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Speaker 5: Leo's trial back in nineteen eighty nine. He's a tough

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Speaker 5: last seven elections. Parole is different from Leo's other hearings

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Speaker 5: because a representative from the state doesn't have to be there.

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Speaker 5: But Jerry Hill in his office have made a point

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Speaker 5: and he's taken a special interest in Leo's case. We

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Speaker 13: We have a number of those people here and I'd

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Speaker 2: Some of them.

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Speaker 5: Seth Miller from the Innocence Project makes the case for

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Speaker 5: Leo's parole. He has just ten minutes and he has

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Speaker 19: He's a leader, a mentor.

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Speaker 15: He encouraged me to participate in programs, and here I

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Speaker 5: With so many speakers in so little time. Even Chrissy

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Speaker 5: Leo home.

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Speaker 8: Good morning.

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Speaker 20: My name is Chrissy Schofield. I've been in prison with

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Speaker 20: it's not designed to build better men.

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Speaker 11: But there are a few that do rise and Leo's

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Speaker 1: Hi, my name is Ashley.

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Speaker 21: All I have to say is I will take advantage

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Speaker 21: of every opportunity every family outing, everything that they teach us,

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Speaker 21: I will take in just so when my dad gets home,

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Speaker 21: we can have the best life that we possibly can.

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Speaker 1: That's all I have to say.

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Speaker 5: The ten minutes are up. Everyone who speaks on Leo's

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Speaker 19: Think.

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Speaker 6: I look to my right. I glanced up and I

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Speaker 6: So I immediately like stopped breathing for a minute. It

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Speaker 7: Borning commissioners. Jerry Hill on behalf of Brian Haas, the

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Speaker 6: Dense Circuit, texted Gilbert again, JK. Hill is here. Gilbert says, Okay,

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Speaker 6: stay cool, you got this.

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Speaker 5: The next ten minutes of the hearing is supposed to

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Speaker 5: asked the parole board not to release the convicted person

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Speaker 5: that's up for parole, but Jesse Michelle's brother had written

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Speaker 5: I do not have confidence in the conviction of Leo

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Speaker 5: Schofield and I support his request for parole. But Jesse

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Speaker 5: Jerry Hill uses the time to argue that Leo Schofield

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Speaker 6: Of prison, and he starts talking about the facts of

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Speaker 7: The defendant's car and his wife's car was abandoned on

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Speaker 5: By this point, I was getting used to the state

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Speaker 5: But then Jerry Hill takes it to another level. Instead

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Speaker 7: Leo said he was driven by an interforce to go

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Speaker 5: He makes it sound like it was Leo himself who

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Speaker 7: Leo said he began to search. The closer he got

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Speaker 5: It's not the job of the three parole commissioners to

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Speaker 5: know all the facts of Leo's case. In fact, the

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Speaker 5: to see if the inmate can be safely released back

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Speaker 5: from back in the nineteen eighties. But these kind of

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Speaker 5: The state, attorneys, the judges, they just keep getting the

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Speaker 5: someone's life is on the line. And Jerry Hill isn't

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Speaker 5: done with his argument yet.

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Speaker 7: I listened to that presentation, how this individual has taken

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Speaker 7: I didn't hear one word about regret. Sarah wish I

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Speaker 12: I know this is a subsequent and I'm sorry. I'm

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Speaker 7: I just feel very strongly that this is a cold,

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Speaker 20: Ought to be.

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Speaker 5: After Jerry Hill speaks, the commissioners announced their decision right

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Speaker 5: then and there, Leo is denied parole. The commission makes

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Speaker 6: You can't really react to the ruling in the room.

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Speaker 6: So we all were kind of devastated, but trying to

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Speaker 6: I knew that that was my opportunity. It's just like,

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Speaker 1: I'm working on a story with Gilbert King about the

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Speaker 1: Riosco Field. King, can I ask you a question. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's see, this case was originally handled by John Aguero.

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Speaker 12: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: What do you think when you take on a case

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Speaker 12: I think John was a brilliant prosecutor and that he

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Speaker 6: He could probably tell how nervous I was. My hands

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Speaker 6: I think maybe it disarmed him a little bit, and

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Speaker 6: I was able to kind of gain my confidence back

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Speaker 6: And what did you think when you first learned that

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Speaker 1: Your office prosecuted him twice for murder?

444
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 12: Didn't it since then? Not before then? Not at that time?

445
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 12: Subsequent long suchan.

446
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: Poel Johnson murder was in eighteen eighty five, that was

447
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: after I believe, No, that was before Michelle's murder was

448
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: at eighty seven.

449
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 12: Okay, you may be right. It doesn't add Did you

450
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 12: hear the transcript? Did you see the judge's findings? All

451
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 12: he's a liar. He offered to sell his testimony for

452
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 12: one thousand dollars. That's hardly a basis for suggesting that

453
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 12: he's the actual murderer.

454
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: Couldn't he be a stereo thief and the actual murderer.

455
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 12: Now that's a theoretical question, and I guess in theory

456
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 12: the answer is, of course he could be.

457
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it shouldn't it be your responsibility to investigate.

458
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 7: Wait a minute, we have investigated this thing upside down.

459
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 7: Leo'scholfield is a cold blooded murderer, and if I have

460
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 7: my way, he'll never get out of prison.

461
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Right now, Leo's case is being reviewed by the Second DCA.

462
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: If they were to reverse the lower court's opinion, would

463
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: you try him again?

464
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 12: Oh, let me tell you, I'm not too worried about that.

465
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 12: We're not gonna have to try him again.

466
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 8: You wouldn't do that, Oh.

467
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 7: We'll try him again if he were to get off me.

468
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 7: Let me tell you right now, he's a killer. And

469
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 7: unless you want to take him home, will you, then

470
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 7: he's where he ought to be.

471
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

472
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 6: All of the stuff that I've read before that i'd

473
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 6: read in transcripts, just how the state talks about Leo

474
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 6: in his case, I think maybe i'd kind of been

475
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 6: telling myself like, oh, you know, they can't be that bad, right,

476
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 6: Like I see the words on the page.

477
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: But it just can't be that bad.

478
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 6: I've been listening to Jerry Hill. It's just like, oh gosh, no,

479
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 6: it really is that bad.

480
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: It's really worse.

481
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 22: Now.

482
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 17: I think Jerry Hill he had an opportunity to be

483
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 17: the hero, and they can still be the hero. I

484
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 17: don't want money, I don't want fame, I don't want

485
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 17: any of this stuff. I just want justice for my

486
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 17: dead wife. That's what I want. Give that to me

487
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 17: and I'll put my mom over your shoulder and say

488
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 17: you're the hero. You're the frigging hero.

489
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 19: Just do what's right.

490
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 17: Do what's right, because you're never going to give me justice.

491
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 12: Never.

492
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 17: You can't give me back thirty four years. You can't

493
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 17: give Michelle back her life. The least you can do

494
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 17: when you say that you care about her is do

495
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 17: the right thing by her. Because this is not it.

496
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 17: This is definitely not it.

497
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 5: After Leo learns he's been denied parole, he sends Chrissy

498
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 5: an email through the prison system's computers. As usual, it's

499
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: Leo who is trying to buoy everyone's spirits. Leo writes,

500
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. I

501
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 5: was so hopeful that it was going to be different

502
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 5: this time. I'm just sorry.

503
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: I love you.

504
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 5: A few months after Leo was denied parole, I go

505
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 5: to my computer and there it is the second DCA's decision.

506
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: Leo is also denied a new trial. His chances of

507
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 5: proving his innocence and getting out of prison and having

508
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: a normal life with his family they're pretty much gone.

509
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: I text Chrissy, I text Judge Scott Cupp. I struggle

510
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: to imagine what this will do to Leo. All he

511
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 5: can do now is wait for yet another parole hearing,

512
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 5: where yet again, the state will argue that he's not

513
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 5: worthy of freedom because he isn't sorry for killing Michelle,

514
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 5: and Leo will refuse to express remorse because he's always

515
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: maintained his innocence. The timing of the second DCA's decision

516
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 5: not to grant Leo a new trial, it couldn't be worse.

517
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: COVID is in full swing and Chrissy and Ashley are

518
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 5: not allowed any in person visits with Leo. Also, during

519
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 5: this time, Leo's mom passes away and Leo witnesses an

520
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 5: inmate gets stabbed to death.

521
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 17: I mean, it really is shocking to me that we

522
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 17: can get dis and not get any relief at all,

523
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 17: you know, and then the reality is settling in that

524
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 17: the the nightmare scenario that I could die in here,

525
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 17: you know, and and that's just too heavy for me.

526
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 5: Kelsey, I that's gonna be the straw that breaks my back.

527
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 17: I can't do that. I just I'm not gonna give

528
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 17: him another thirty I don't want to.

529
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 22: I don't.

530
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 19: I would feel totally wrong to allow that. I would

531
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 19: rather end it myself. That's the gospel truth. I'm not

532
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 19: gonna let my wife my daughter suffer through this crap anymore.

533
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 12: I'm not. I'm just not gonna do it.

534
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 17: So we're not gonna l anticipate it going that way.

535
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 17: I'm believing I'm willing to take anything that allows me

536
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 17: to go home and take care of my wife and daughter,

537
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 17: short of admitting to something I didn't do.

538
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 5: As Leo struggles to keep hope, I think about all

539
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 5: the work Kelsey and I have put into this case.

540
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 5: Nobody around Leo will ever say it, but we can

541
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 5: feel it. They're putting all their hopes in our investigation,

542
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 5: our story about Leo's case, and because I'm also very

543
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 5: aware of the mountains that must be moved in order

544
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 5: to overturn a wrongful conviction. I always make sure to

545
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 5: temper any expectations. Telling Leo's story, no matter how truthfully

546
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: and persuasively, is simply not a realistic path toward gaining

547
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 5: his freedom. But there's no denying it. Our investigation, our story,

548
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 5: might just be Leo's last hope, his last chance to

549
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 5: convince people that he was wrongly convicted of murdering his wife,

550
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: and that Jeremy Scott is Michelle's true murderer. We've seen

551
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 5: how the State of Florida's false narrative has defined Leo's case.

552
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 5: At the very least, we want to correct this narrative.

553
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 5: Kelsey and I are thinking about where to look next,

554
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 5: and there's one stone we've left unturned. We start thinking

555
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 5: more and more about Jeremy Scott. Maybe he has more

556
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 5: to say. We have to try to talk to him.

557
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 5: So I write a letter to Jeremy and mail it

558
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 5: off to him, and when I don't hear from him,

559
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 5: I write another. I tell him that I'm an author

560
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 5: and that I've been investigating the Leo Schofield case, and

561
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 5: that I'm interested in his dealings with the State Attorney's office.

562
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 5: I send him a self address, stamped envelope and some

563
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 5: extra papers so he can write me back. I know

564
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 5: he's been contacted by journalists in the past and that

565
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 5: he doesn't respond, so my hopes are pretty low, but

566
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 5: there's not much else I can do. It's the spring

567
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty and COVID is stopping us from traveling

568
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 5: down to Florida. Sitting in my office in Brooklyn, I

569
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 5: feel powerless. But the one thing I can do is

570
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 5: write to Jeremy. So I keep at it, just hoping

571
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 5: he'll change his mind and write back.

572
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: Oh he shouldn't, Jeremy.

573
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: And seven months later, I see that first letter sitting

574
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 5: in my mailbox.

575
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: She says, I want you to know that Polk County

576
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: gave me a call about you. I don't think you

577
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: can come see me. Who knows what will happen? And

578
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: that is sad when I have kept my damn mouth

579
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: shut for thirty one years. Schofield case. Let's say he

580
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: should be out. I've thought about writing my story that

581
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: no one wants to hear. I just don't really know how.

582
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: Gotta go.

583
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Jay Scott, Well, okay, I.

584
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: Think he's looking to as again.

585
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 4: He got a call.

586
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: It sounds like Peulk County made him believe that he

587
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: is not allowed to talk to us, which they can't do.

588
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 5: No, they can't, and that's why we're going to figure

589
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: out what they did. We file a record request to

590
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 5: find out who might have called him, but we're informed

591
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 5: by the Florida Department of Corrections that they can't release

592
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 5: those records. So I write Jeremy another letter. I want

593
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 5: to see if he'd agree to a visit from us.

594
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 5: I want him to know that I'm eager to hear

595
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: his story, that I'm interested in anything and everything he

596
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 5: has to say. I also send him a pre written

597
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 5: consent letter. If he signs, it will allow me to

598
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 5: visit and record an interview with him. It's not long

599
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: before he sends the form back to me, signed, but

600
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: the prisons in Florida are still locked down due to COVID.

601
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 5: And then, once the Department of Corrections lifts the COVID

602
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 5: restrictions about six weeks later, we find out that Jeremy

603
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 5: has been placed in disciplinary confinement, so we can't visit

604
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 5: him until he returns to general population, and who knows

605
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 5: when that will be. As the months pass, we're constantly

606
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 5: checking his status, there's no change, and he stops writing. Still,

607
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 5: we wanted to find a way to get someone to

608
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 5: look into Jeremy Scott. We felt we had some pretty

609
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 5: compelling evidence linking Jeremy to the murder of cab driver

610
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 5: Joseph Lavere back in nineteen eighty seven. It didn't feel

611
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 5: right just sitting on what we'd collected, so I reached

612
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 5: out to one of my contacts at the State Attorney's

613
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 5: Office in the Ninth Circuit. That's the office that handles

614
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 5: all the cases in Osceola County, including the murder of

615
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 5: Joseph Lavere. It seemed like there had to be fingerprints

616
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 5: and potential sources of DNA from the taxi that could

617
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 5: be tested. And if it turns out that Jeremy is

618
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 5: forensically linked to a fourth murder, the murder of Joseph Lavere,

619
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 5: the state's narrative that Jeremy is just a car stereo

620
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 5: thief who had nothing to do with the murder of

621
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 5: Michelle Schofield would look even more preposterous. But we're in

622
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 5: a weird position. We'd collected so much information about what

623
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 5: the State Attorney's office in Polk County had done wrong

624
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 5: in failing to properly investigate Jeremy Scott, and now we

625
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 5: were thinking about going to a neighboring county state attorney's

626
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 5: office pointing out yet another failed investigation. We don't know

627
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 5: how they're going to react, but we decide it's what

628
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 5: we have to do. We managed to get a meeting

629
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 5: lined up with the state Attorney's office in the Ninth

630
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 5: Circuit and we presented our case over a zoom call.

631
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 4: Okay, excellent.

632
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 5: So I'm just going to talk to you a little

633
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 5: bit about why I'm doing this and what I've learned

634
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 5: and why I'm really getting.

635
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 12: In touch with you.

636
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 5: But I go through the whole thing. How while working

637
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 5: on Leo's story, we came across the Lavere case. We

638
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 5: tell them that Jeremy's girlfriend, Jamie, said that Jeremy made

639
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 5: a spontaneous confession decades ago to getting away with killing

640
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 5: a taxi cab driver, and how we think we've linked

641
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 5: that spontaneous confession to the murder of Joseph Lavere, an

642
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 5: Ossiola County homicide that's still unsolved. It had been over

643
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 5: three decades since this office handled the case, and filed

644
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 5: charges against dan Odie, the man who has tried twice

645
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 5: and eventually acquitted. The folks were talking to weren't there

646
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 5: at the time, so we tell them a bit about

647
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 5: dan Odie and some of the accusations of police corruption

648
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 5: that were exposed in court during his case.

649
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 4: I know it was a lot to sort of absorb,

650
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 4: and like I said, I'll hand over any documents, recordings,

651
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: anything you think that might be helpful to you.

652
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 5: They seem to understand how this investigation relates back to

653
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: Leo's case.

654
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 23: I just wondered if whole County wouldn't be cana frustrated

655
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 23: a little bit to look at Jermaine's God. But they

656
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 23: know that we're look at him or cold case, and

657
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 23: I think it's with Scott absolutely.

658
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 5: We tell them that we're hoping to meet with Jeremy.

659
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: We're just waiting for him to get out of disciplinary confinement.

660
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: You have every right as a citizen to engage other citizens,

661
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: who include people who are in custody. But I think

662
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: if if law enforcement's going to try to work this case,

663
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: I would think they would want to be part of

664
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: that conversation.

665
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 8: If you're willing to extend that to the agency.

666
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 5: They're basically saying that they can't stop us from meeting

667
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 5: with Jeremy, but they'd rather we don't. It could interfere

668
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 5: with an investigation. In other words, let the cops do

669
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 5: their job. I'm happy to step back and see what

670
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 5: comes of their work. It could mean justice in a

671
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 5: decade's old cold case, and it could also bring renewed

672
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 5: attention to Leo's case.

673
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: I just sort of want to see this move forward

674
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 4: because I feel very strongly that Jeremy Scott is the suspect.

675
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 5: We're hopeful that someone is finally going to investigate Jeremy's.

676
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 24: It's nice to you.

677
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

678
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 5: I really appreciate it.

679
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: I'll be in touch.

680
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 5: I'll send my PowerPoint and i'll send documents and recordings.

681
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 5: A few weeks later, we get a second letter from Jeremy.

682
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: It's been seven months since the first one. I call

683
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 5: Kelsey right away. She was sitting in a parking lot

684
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 5: in Durham, North Carolina, trying to get the internet set

685
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 5: up in her new apartment. So I record the call

686
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 5: on my end or I think I do, okay, So

687
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 5: I completely fucked that up and forgot to press record.

688
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 5: That's what happens when you're not here. I have to

689
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 5: do shit on my own and it doesn't work out

690
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 5: as well as when you're here.

691
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 12: So there we go.

692
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 5: Yes, no, it doesn't happen to you, but it happens

693
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: to me. Okay, So here it is. Okay. This letter

694
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 5: dated March sixth, twenty twenty one, and it's from Jeremy,

695
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 5: and he says, dear mister King, I don't know what

696
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 5: it is that you want to know about Polk County prosecutors.

697
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 5: They lied told me what they were gonna help me,

698
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 5: but that never happened. That's why I told the whole

699
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 5: truth about Leo Schofield. And I had also told them

700
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 5: things that a killer would know. Leo didn't kill his wife.

701
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 19: I did.

702
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 5: That taxi cab driver that was shot by a three

703
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 5: point fifty seven gun. They didn't want to hear what

704
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 5: I had to say, that taxi cab driver. This is

705
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 5: stunning to me. I never mentioned the cab driver in

706
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 5: my letters. I was very intentional about that. I didn't

707
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: want to confront him about the murder of Joseph Lavere

708
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 5: because I was worried Jeremy might shut down and I'd

709
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 5: lose the opportunity to sit with him in person. But

710
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: how do we have this letter from him? And he's

711
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 5: bringing up the cab driver murder completely unprompted. Jeremy goes

712
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 5: on to write about his release from prison in nineteen

713
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 5: eighty six. That was after his acquittal in the Jewel

714
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 5: Johnson murder and after he served a few months on

715
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 5: the arson charge. Following his release, he stays with his

716
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 5: mother in Perry, Florida, until January, then with an uncle

717
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 5: in Osceola County, just over the Polk County line. I

718
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 5: keep reading anyway, while I was staying there, I took

719
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 5: money and a big knife, not just any kind. That

720
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 5: was the one use on Michelle. I took off in

721
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 5: February nineteen eighty seven, went to Lakeland, Florida. I stole

722
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 5: the gun after Michelle was killed, maybe a week or two.

723
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 5: I can tell you the gun belonged to a cop.

724
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: I saw a picture in the house which is winter Haven.

725
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 5: Leo Schofield and myself had the same prosecutor the same

726
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 5: Now he ain't anywhere to be found. He lied to me,

727
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 5: So I know there's people who have wanted to do story.

728
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 5: I can't get money for this but if you or

729
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 5: any of them are willing to send me paper stamps,

730
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 5: I'm on CM two right now. CM two is the

731
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 5: second level of close management. It's basically solitary confinement. That's

732
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 5: why we haven't been able to visit him yet. Turns

733
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 5: out Jeremy ended up there because corrections officers found a

734
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 5: makeshift weapon in his shoe. They said they found a

735
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 5: knife on me. I got to live that way. I

736
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 5: am a walking dead man. I've been running for the

737
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 5: last twenty years. I never stay in one place too long.

738
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 5: They almost got me once. If you don't want the

739
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 5: whole truth about Leo and cab driver, I will sail

740
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 5: say my whole story to whoever will pay in stamps.

741
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 5: I ain't asking for money, just a few books of stamps,

742
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 5: or Leo will never be free. I will be waiting.

743
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 5: I think it's time for to talk about it. I

744
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 5: am safe in CM. I'll wait to hear from you.

745
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: Jeremy Scott. He confessed to killing that cab driver. We

746
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 5: didn't know what to expect from Jeremy, but in this

747
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 5: letter he just confessed to two murders. We weren't surprised

748
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 5: by his confession to killing Michelle Schofield because he'd confessed before.

749
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 5: But this cab driver murder confession is shocking to read,

750
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 5: and it's hard to wrap my head around why Jeremy

751
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 5: brings this up. It's almost like he knows it's something

752
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 5: that will eventually catch up with him. And he mentions

753
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 5: the gun, which had always been a lingering question in

754
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 5: my mind. The details he provides might even be information

755
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 5: we can corroborate, like was there a gun reported stolen

756
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 5: from a house in winter Haven around that time? If

757
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 5: I can keep Jeremy corresponding with me, who knows what

758
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: other details he might bring up. His writing is a

759
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 5: little disjointed, but not too difficult to read. More importantly,

760
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 5: it seems like he has a lot more to say,

761
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 5: and he seems willing to say it. And so after

762
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 5: we get this letter, we decide we need to turn

763
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 5: over a copy to our contacts at the State Attorney's

764
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 5: office in the Ninth Circuit. This letter seemed to validate

765
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 5: everything we've just presented to them. This letter could even

766
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 5: qualify as new evidence in the thirty four year old

767
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 5: unsolved homicide of cab driver Joseph Laverere. We were hoping

768
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 5: they'd move fast and compare the physical evidence it's recovered

769
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 5: from the taxi to Jeremy fingerprints, DNA, any of it

770
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 5: might have given us some answers. But a few weeks pass,

771
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 5: and then a few more, and we hear nothing. It

772
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 5: seems that the State Attorney's office isn't doing anything else

773
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 5: to look into Jeremy Scott. So we spend the next

774
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 5: few weeks agonizing about whether to stay in contact with Jeremy.

775
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 5: Kelsey and I talk it over, and after waiting and

776
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 5: waiting for some news or an update from the state,

777
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 5: we decide, fuck it. I'm writing back to Jeremy Scott.

778
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 5: I don't care if the state attorney doesn't want us

779
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 5: talking to him. This time, I ask more specific questions,

780
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 5: but still I avoid asking any direct questions about the

781
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 5: cab driver murder. I'm trying to walk the line and

782
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 5: not do anything to compromise the state's investigation, if there

783
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 5: even is one. So I asked Jeremy about Michelle Schofield

784
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 5: and the prosecutor John Aguero, and I send Jeremy some

785
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 5: postage stamps. We discuss this too. Stamps are a sort

786
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 5: of currency in the prison system, and we don't want

787
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 5: Jeremy to think we're compensating him in exchange for his correspondence.

788
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 5: On the other hand, he's basically in lockdown in close management,

789
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 5: with time on his hands, and if he's bored and

790
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 5: he finally wants to tell his story, I want to

791
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 5: hear from him. Then finally we get an update from

792
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 5: the State Attorney's office. They tell us that they want

793
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 5: us to take our evidence to the Osciola County Sheriff's Office,

794
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 5: the agency that originally handled the Joseph Lavere murder. So

795
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 5: once again we compile all the evidence we have and

796
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 5: on June twenty second, twenty twenty one, we show up

797
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 5: in Kassimi to do our presentation. We are heading to

798
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 5: the Osiola County Sheriff's Office for our big meeting, and

799
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 5: so we've been trying to get this meeting for months.

800
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 5: Just a few hours before our meeting, they email me

801
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 5: saying they don't want us to record.

802
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: How are you feeling it's this?

803
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 5: I think, I mean, I feel pretty good that they're

804
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 5: gonna have to do something about this. I don't think

805
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 5: they can just blow us off. But I don't know

806
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: what kind of worries me is. This is a dirty case,

807
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 5: and they have to know it. If they look into

808
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 5: it a little bit, they have to see it.

809
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: All right, Well, it's about time to go in, right,

810
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: all right, let's do it, Okay, I'm going to turn

811
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: this off a degree after.

812
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 5: We're brought inside to a conference room. About a half

813
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: dozen people are there, and I set up my PowerPoint

814
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 5: to display a big screen. I have police reports with

815
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 5: witness descriptions and a sketch of the alleged suspect in

816
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 5: the Joseph Lavere murder, a thin man around five foot ten,

817
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 5: much closer to Jeremy's appearance than six foot four, two

818
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty five pound Dan Odie, who has tried

819
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 5: twice for the murder. I also present records that show

820
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 5: that fingerprints were lifted from the car, and I show

821
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 5: them a photograph of a baseball cap that was found

822
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 5: in the back seat of the cab, which police believed

823
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 5: the suspect left behind. It's the same evidence I'm hoping

824
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 5: they'll dig up from some storage locker and start analyzing.

825
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 5: And I have tape of Jeremy's brother, Royal Dean Scott,

826
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 5: saying he remembers talking to Jeremy about the cab driver,

827
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 5: and how Jeremy left Osceola County shortly after the incident.

828
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 5: I'd heard about the cab driver uh Man Robb, and

829
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 5: I remember him saying something about it and that he had.

830
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 7: To leave for the law.

831
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 5: Then I have Jeremy's letter mentioning how he got the

832
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 5: gun and how he has more to say about that killing.

833
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 5: I stole the gun after Michelle was killed, maybe a

834
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 5: week or two. I can tell you the gun belonged

835
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 5: to a cop. I think it's time for to talk

836
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 5: about it. I'll wait to hear from you, Jeremy Scott.

837
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 5: It seems like the main person we're trying to convince

838
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 5: in this meeting is Major Wiley Black. He's the head

839
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 5: of criminal investigations. To get to that position, Major Black

840
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 5: has put in a lot of years with the sheriff's office.

841
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 5: This gives us pause because this case has a lot

842
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 5: to do with possible corruption within this sheriff's office. It's

843
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 5: likely that Major Black both knew and worked with Deputy

844
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 5: Buddy Shepherd that was the detective accused of threatening to

845
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 5: take the children away from you. Young mother is in

846
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 5: Intercession City. Unless they testified against dan Odie, we try

847
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 5: our best to brush past the Buddy Shepherd accusations. We

848
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 5: don't want them focusing on that now. We want them

849
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 5: to be compelled to act because of the evidence we

850
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 5: present and the opportunity to close a thirty four year

851
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 5: old unsolved murder. So we show them what we have.

852
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 5: They make photocopies of Jeremy's letters, We answer a few questions,

853
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 5: and then it's over. Kelsey tells me to stay quiet

854
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 5: until she can get the microphone out.

855
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: How do you think that went?

856
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 5: I don't think it went very well at all. What

857
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 5: do you think, really?

858
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, why do you say that?

859
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 5: I think they were engaged, they were listening. But I

860
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 5: think the homicide detective Wiley Black, I think he to me,

861
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 5: I felt like he was signaling that this case is

862
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 5: going nowhere. Did you get that?

863
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, I thought he. I mean he said

864
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: he was going to into the evidence. I think he

865
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: was being realistic that it very likely could not exist

866
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: at this point.

867
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 5: But the fingerprints we know exist. I mean, they have

868
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 5: copies of those prints and those can be at least

869
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 5: be run. As we're getting ready to leave the parking

870
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 5: lot at the Sheriff's office, it begins to rain like

871
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 5: it does almost every summer afternoon in central Florida. The

872
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 5: darkening sky matches our mood. I just got the feeling

873
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 5: that this is going to die right here. This is

874
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 5: a little frustrating because you can see the black hole

875
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 5: sort of develop. I'm not encouraged at all by this.

876
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 5: So we just have to like strategize about how to

877
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 5: next steps and when do we start doing our own investigation.

878
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't tell us to not go and

879
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: talk to Jeremy, so yeah, there's that.

880
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 5: I think that's what we have to do now.

881
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: I just I just.

882
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. But it's freaking hot in this car.

883
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: So you've got any of this? Is well, do you

884
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: have any final thoughts?

885
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 5: Yeah? I want to keep investigating this, and I want

886
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 5: to talk to some of these witnesses that I've been

887
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 5: steering clear of. And I want to start asking Jeremy

888
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 5: in letters about that taxi cab driver. There could be

889
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 5: something there. I don't want to stop on this Jeremy

890
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 5: thing now. I just feel like, what are we gonna do?

891
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 15: Right?

892
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: Well, at least we got some free coffee out of that.

893
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, free coffee. Nice ride through Intercession City all right,

894
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 5: let's get out of here.

895
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: All right.

896
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 5: We follow up with Major Wilie Black, who was sitting

897
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 5: in the room with us, but our emails go unanswered.

898
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 5: Weeks go by, and there doesn't seem to be any

899
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 5: forward movement on the case. I get the sense that

900
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 5: the Osceola County Sheriff's Office doesn't want this case reopened.

901
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 24: Hey you there, yeah in.

902
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 25: Here, ooks, are you recording?

903
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 24: Yes, recording.

904
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 5: Now we get another letter from Jeremy.

905
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 22: All right, I'm opening this one. Feels this one feels

906
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 22: a little thicker.

907
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 24: I don't know why. Oh lord, Okay, okay, this was

908
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 24: said on May sixte.

909
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 5: Dear mister King, I received your letter along with ten stamps. First,

910
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 5: let me tell you why I ask for stamps. It's

911
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 5: the only way I can buy soap and food back

912
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 5: here on CM. I don't have anyone to help me.

913
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 5: I just want you to understand why I ask for stamps.

914
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 5: I really don't have shit to do. I read when

915
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 5: I can find books. I don't get any mail, not

916
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 5: unless it's from you. Now about some of the things

917
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 5: that you asked me about, Yes, John Aguero did prosecute

918
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 5: both me and Leo, And yes, mister John Aguero did

919
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 5: lie to me. They took me to see mister Aguero's

920
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 5: office and he told me that Leo Lawyer wants to

921
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 5: talk with me. Jeremy starts writing about that meeting he

922
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 5: had with Aguero alone in his office after the fingerprints

923
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 5: in the Mazda were identified killed. It sounds like Aguero

924
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 5: was telling Jeremy that Leo and his father were bad

925
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 5: guys who not only killed Michelle, but may have killed

926
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 5: other girls too, and that Aguero needed Jeremy's help to

927
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 5: keep Leo locked up. I think this is why Jeremy

928
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 5: says things like I don't know what else Leo has done,

929
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 5: but in this one he's innocent me. He went on

930
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 5: talking about how he will be sitting on my parole,

931
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 5: how he can write on my behalf. All I had

932
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 5: to do is keep on saying how my fingerprint was

933
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 5: in the car. At the time, I really thought he

934
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 5: was gonna help me. I have heard a state attorney

935
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 5: has help inmates before, and plus my grandma was still alive.

936
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 5: But you were right, it was just me and John Aguero.

937
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 5: Jeremy seems to be saying that Aguero was trying to

938
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 5: cut a deal with him. Aguero would help Jeremy with

939
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 5: his parole. If Jeremy stuck to the story about how

940
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 5: is Prince ended up in Michelle's car, and after seeing

941
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 5: how much sway the state attorney had over Leo's case,

942
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 5: it makes sense why Jeremy might buy into this. It

943
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 5: might have been Jeremy's only chance of being released from

944
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 5: prison and spending any time on the outside with his grandmother.

945
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 5: Jeremy goes on to mention a visit from some guy

946
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 5: Leo's attorneys sent to speak to him, sounds like private

947
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 5: investigator Pat McKenna. First, I wouldn't talk to him because

948
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 5: everyone been lying to me. Then I heard that John

949
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 5: Aguero died, so all these years later, I told myself

950
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 5: that I will tell everything, and I did, but nobody

951
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 5: believe me. I don't know what else I can do.

952
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 5: I was telling the truth, nothing but the truth. And

953
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 5: then he writes, I'm going to give you something. Okay,

954
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 5: I'm going to give you something. Now Jeremy really has

955
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,959
Speaker 5: my attention. He sets up the night of Michelle's murder.

956
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 5: It was raining most of the night. I just off

957
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 5: I four went down North Comby where I used to live.

958
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 5: Once I got off Comby Road, and head to Lakeland.

959
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 5: I stop at a gas station. I can't remember the name.

960
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 5: I knew it was raining. I was sick and cold, wet.

961
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 5: There was a woman on the phone talking. She thought

962
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 5: I was waiting on the phone. When she got off,

963
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 5: she asked me if I was lost. I told her yes,

964
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 5: and hadn't any way to get back to the place

965
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 5: I was staying. She had a little car. She was

966
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 5: nice and offered me a ride. So we went back

967
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 5: down Cumby Road, going out by I four Underpath. I

968
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 5: told her she could pull in there. There's little trees,

969
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 5: a little road with a creak in it.

970
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: I know it well.

971
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 5: So she pulled in. Then she said there's no one here.

972
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 5: I pulled a knife out. She went crazy, tried to

973
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 5: push the gas, but I threw the car in park.

974
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 5: When I first read this letter to Kelsey, this detail

975
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 5: hit hard.

976
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 25: Michelle tried to put the car and drive like it

977
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 25: makes me sick, and that.

978
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 22: You would have sucked up the car. That like that

979
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 22: that's the reason it wasn't working. He sucked it up

980
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 22: by doing it.

981
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, she tried to open the car door. That's when

982
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 5: I lost it. I didn't remember how many times I

983
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 5: stab I get out the car, went over where she

984
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 5: was laying out the car door. She had opened it.

985
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 5: I look at her, not knowing what.

986
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 12: I just did.

987
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 5: I was just pulling the knife so I could robbed her.

988
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 5: I went look around for something to hide her. I

989
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 5: found something looked like a big bag. I lay it out.

990
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 5: Then I put her on the bag and rolling her

991
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 5: up in it. Then took her down by the creek.

992
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 5: I found a place where I could push her in,

993
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 5: then cover her with wood trash. I don't understand why

994
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 5: there was no blood in the car. She was stab

995
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 5: in the car, not her trailer. I only took ten

996
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 5: dollars that was on herd take any rings or anything else.

997
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 22: I only took ten dollars that was on her, you

998
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 22: know what, Like he took the bills the coins like

999
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,479
Speaker 22: they're fucking in the road, right, I mean, yeah, yeah,

1000
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 22: it's close enough to whatever. Thirteen dollars, you know what

1001
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 22: I mean?

1002
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 25: Also, I was never clear whether she had used the

1003
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 25: the tip money to buy the coke and the gas

1004
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 25: and the phone call. Oh, like, I don't know if

1005
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 25: it had been thirteen dollars.

1006
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 22: Holy shit. Yeah, that's amazing because she says what twee dollars,

1007
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 22: a gas and a coke. Yeah, there's no fucking way

1008
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 22: he knows that. Wow.

1009
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,959
Speaker 5: I got back in the car, put it in drive,

1010
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 5: took off on I four. The car started slowing down.

1011
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 5: It wasn't out of gas. I don't know why. It

1012
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 5: just died on me. I pull it along the road,

1013
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 5: park in the rain started stopping. It was close to midnight.

1014
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 5: No car were on I four, so that when I

1015
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 5: start cleaning up most of my prints and if there

1016
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,959
Speaker 5: were blood, I cleaned it up. That when I tried

1017
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 5: to pull the radio and speaker out, they didn't tell

1018
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 5: people about that. Once I cleaned the car, I left

1019
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 5: the keys and locked the door. That's when I went

1020
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 5: up BY four. There is an overpath, there was a

1021
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 5: store and there was dumpster there. I threw the knife

1022
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 5: and something. I just can't remember what it was. I

1023
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 5: know that I cleaned the car with it. Jeremy goes

1024
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 5: on to write that he went back to Kassimi, breaking

1025
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 5: into homes, moving back and forth between Osceola and Polk

1026
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 5: Counties in March. He was eventually arrested for the murder

1027
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 5: of Donald Moorehead in November of nineteen eighty eight, a

1028
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 5: year and a half after Michelle Schofield and Joseph Lavere

1029
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 5: were killed. That's when he first meets his prosecutor, John Aguero.

1030
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 5: It wasn't, Jeremy continues in his letter. I told John

1031
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 5: Aguero he knew from the start Leo didn't kill her.

1032
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 5: Why was her car was on I four stuff missing

1033
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 5: out of the car, and why was my print was

1034
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 5: in it? Just like the taxicab driver.

1035
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 19: What am I to do?

1036
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 5: I'm been telling the truth. I don't know what else

1037
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 5: to do. I really want this to go away, but

1038
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 5: it won't. There's so much shit I need to tell,

1039
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 5: but I don't know how to put it. I will

1040
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 5: tell you this, even though John Aguero died, he knew

1041
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 5: from the start that I was the one who killed

1042
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 5: not Leo, mister king, I still would like to know

1043
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 5: how or who got you to write me. I hope

1044
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 5: to hear from you soon. I hope you can understand

1045
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 5: my letter. I ain't good at painting putting words together.

1046
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for the stamps. Hope to hear

1047
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 5: from you soon. There's so much I need to tell

1048
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 5: right soon. Jeremy L. Scott ps. Why did the state

1049
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 5: attorney call me told me if I talk with you

1050
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 5: that I will be in trouble. Tell me what's going on.

1051
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 22: Holy fuck, oh man, Oh god, damn it, God fucking

1052
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 22: damn it. This is unbelievable. There's something fucking unbelievably sincere

1053
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 22: that comes across in that letter. I don't know what

1054
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 22: to think. Man, that that was really fucking powerful.

1055
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 25: For some reason, Yeah, that only makes me want to

1056
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 25: the fact that this guy is still saying the ship

1057
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 25: and his story makes so much sense.

1058
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 5: And it's just like knucking that to be done about it.

1059
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 22: And he's also saying like, I think I'll be out

1060
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 22: of here in June.

1061
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 5: By out of here he means out of close management,

1062
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 5: out of solitary. Once he's back in general population, we

1063
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 5: can schedule our interview with him. What I want to

1064
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 5: talk to him.

1065
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 22: I mean, honestly, I don't give a shit about those

1066
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 22: stamps anymore. Let them I'm just fucking keeping this guy talking.

1067
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 22: And if they say you gave him stamps so he

1068
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 22: bought soap, I'll go fuck you. He can have soap.

1069
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 25: Seriously, I don't have any hesitation keep sending him stand.

1070
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 6: That he can only buy.

1071
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 22: So For Jesus Christ, I think fuck it. I'm just

1072
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 22: I'm done with these I'm just done with asking permission

1073
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 22: to like reopen this case.

1074
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 24: Hey be there, yeah, right here, what's going on?

1075
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 22: So I just got off the phone with Paul Walker

1076
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,839
Speaker 22: at the Department of Corrections and he said that Jereney

1077
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 22: is now in general population.

1078
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 25: Oh my god.

1079
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 24: So yeah, and so he's eligible for visitors again.

1080
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 22: But Jesus, finally some good news.

1081
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 19: I hope this.

1082
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 22: I just hope this holds.

1083
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 5: You know, after three years of investigating Leo's case, We're

1084
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 5: finally going to meet Jeremy's got Bone Valley is a

1085
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,120
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1086
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,439
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1087
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:29,040
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1088
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 5: our sound designer. Roxandra Guidy is our editor. Fact checking

1089
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,840
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1090
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,080
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Speaker 5: performed by Lee Bob and The Truth. It was written

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Speaker 5: by Leo Schofield and Kevin Herrick in Florida's Hardy Correctional Institution.

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Speaker 5: Bone Valley is written and produced by me Gilbert King.

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Speaker 5: You can follow the show on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter

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Speaker 5: at lava for Good to See