WEBVTT - Bad Idea – An F1 Engine in Your Daily Driver 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:10.280 Hello, and welcome to the Fast Track. I'm your host, 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:13.319 Scott Benjamin, and today we are going to talk about 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.160 something and I bet a lot of people are curious about, Um, 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.200 you know, why why is it that you can't take 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.640 a race engine and stuff that in your car, your truck, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:24.640 whatever and make that work on the road. Why why 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.760 is it that you can't do that? And a lot 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:28.800 of people have tried, a lot of people come, you know, 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.480 kind of close to it, or they claim that they 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.680 have an engine that's that's a race engine that they've 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.320 turned into a street engine, you know, for their vehicle. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.519 And you know, actually there are some examples of it, 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.320 but they require a ton of maintenance, a ton of upkeep, 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.680 and it's it's a different it's a whole different animal 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.960 than what you normally would have under the hood. And 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:50.400 manufacturers create engines specifically for ease of use among the 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.560 consumers and being able to turn the vehicle on and 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.240 and and expected to reliably power your vehicle, uh, you know, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.280 to and from the grocery store, to and from work, 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.279 school where you happen to go long road trips whatever. Reliability, Um, 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.800 you know, um, just just the like the repetitive nature 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.840 of it that you can expect it to function in 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.240 a certain way all the time, and you're not going 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.280 to get that with a race engine. And and we'll 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.880 talk about that today. Um, in specific, we're gonna talk about, 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:18.880 you know, F one engine. So you know, because a 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.160 lot of people would have kind of the fantasy I've 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.160 been able to put a n F one engine, a 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.559 Formula one engine into their road car and make that work. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.800 Because wouldn't that be just incredible? I mean, it would 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.800 be an amazing thing to to have an F one 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.720 engine under the hood of your you know, your Mercedes, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.319 your BMW, your Miata, whatever it happens to be, you know, 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.119 a small little car. Can you imagine how much fun 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.600 that would be in order just to stuff some giant 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.760 race engine in there. And a lot of people again 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.399 have come close to it. And well we'll talk about 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.640 some of those people in just a moment, but um, 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.000 you know, I want to kind of catch you up 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.680 here on something. Well, in the last episode, we talked about, um, 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.320 some really fast cars. We talked about the ten fastest 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.440 production cars, and I told you that we're going to 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.680 talk about ten outright fastest cars pretty soon. But when 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:06.280 I was talking about ten fastest production cars. I asked 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.200 you the question, what was the first time that you 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.720 were in a car that ever traveled over one hundred 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.000 miles per hour? And I mentioned that it was my 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:14.880 my uncle's barracouta that I was in, you know, on 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.160 a fishing tripper, you know, just a weekend afternoon out 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.440 in the country, and that was the fastest I'd ever 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.160 gone at that point. I was really really young at 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.160 the time. Um. But I also want to mention this, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.480 and I think there's another question that that begs to 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.600 be asked here, and that is what was the first 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.960 time that you ever drove a car over one hundred 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.880 miles per hour? What was the fastest you've ever driven 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.600 a car? Maybe, Um, that's maybe that's the second question. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.200 That's actually two things. The first time that you ever 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.520 drove over one hundred miles per hour? When you hit 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.160 that that triple digit number for yourself with you behind 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.960 the wheel, Uh, do you clearly remember that? Because I 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.120 know I do. I clearly remember the first time I 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.440 ever did it. And again, you know, once again, it 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.760 was on these back roads in Indiana, these these these 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.480 old country roads that have you know, great big Swales 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.959 to them, they're you know, kind of hilly. They're they're 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.760 out in the middle of nowhere. And this time it 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.720 wasn't necessarily in the summer. You know, we weren't not 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.960 fishing or anything like that. This is a different person, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.800 different car. Uh. This was This happened in the fall. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.720 It happened right around Thanksgiving. And I know it was 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.960 Thanksgiving because it was my aunt's birthday and we were 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.320 always always in town there for my aunt's birthday right 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.400 around Thanksgiving. And she had she happened to have a 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.880 brand new car. And I was all excited about this 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.720 car because, um, A strange thing about this. She was 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.120 married prior to this and they had um An m 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.680 R two, a first generation MR two Toyota m R two. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.960 Uh So that really angular a little little vehicle, two seater, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.480 incredible little cars, really cool. It was black and gray. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.480 Uh really really sharp little car was It looked like 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.360 a spaceship at the time. To me, it was incredible. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.480 It was so cool and um just a blast to drive, 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:50.840 a lot of fun. It was a five speed with 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.600 that little um short throw shifter that was you know, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.320 you put your arm way up on the arm rest 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.280 and you could just flip your wrist and shift this thing. 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.480 It was incredible and um was so go away by 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.000 this car. She had one when she was married. She 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.200 and her husband got divorced, and then she bought one 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.480 exactly the same as the one that her husband took 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.240 in the divorce. So she had the exact same car. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:12.880 And I'm sure this was kind of and I'll show 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.240 you move you know a uh um, you know, I'll 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.720 get the same car Thingum. But but anyway, she showed 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.280 up for Thanksgiving dinner with this vehicle, this Mr two 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.839 and again first gen. And she threw me the keys 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:26.960 and I was a pretty new driver at the time. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.400 I was as relatively young, um, I want to say 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.040 I was like seventeen, maybe eighteen and the most I 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.800 don't even think I was eighteen. And she tossed me 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.920 the keys and said, let's go out for a ride. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.640 So we did before dinner, and we took it out 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.800 into you know, past the city limits. We went out 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.920 into the country, and she encouraged me to drive it 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.440 faster and faster and faster. And as we got going 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.600 faster and faster, I realized I'm going to break a 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.279 hundred miles per hour here and this is the very 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.080 first time I've ever pushed a car to that limit, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.359 and it was so much fun and what if what 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.080 a great car to be in to do it is 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.760 so memorable. It was a great memory to have with 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.440 my aunt with this car. You know, the season, I guess, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.080 you know it was it was cold, it was it 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.240 was dreary there. It was you know, not snowing yet 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.559 but but just about ready to snow. All the corns 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.719 knocked down the fields. You can see a long long distance, 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.320 so there wasn't much danger of cross traffic or anything 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.800 like that. Um, there's always animal traffic that's dangerous, but 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.200 reaching a hundred miles per hour in a car is 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.320 one of those milestone moments that I think a lot 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.880 of people recall, or a lot of people can really 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.000 you know, bring back up in their memory and say, like, 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.039 I remember the day specifically when I did this. And 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.640 then there's another you know question I guess that begs 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.839 to be asked, and that is, um, you know, the 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.680 fastest you've ever driven? And of course that's a that's 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.000 a completely different topic and we'll probably get into that 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.479 at some point on this show. I would think, but 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.919 I would love to hear some of these, uh moments 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.080 of yours, you know, your personal moments when you drove 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.000 over a hundred miles per hour for the first time 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.680 ever and uh, you know what what led to that? 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.880 With that intro, that's an exceedingly long intro and hopefully, 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.080 uh that I'll get you thinking about some things during 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.640 this podcast. But UM, I do want to mention you know, 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.280 we we said that we had kind of covered this 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.880 before on another show. You know, I did another podcast 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.880 called car Stuff and I still do Car Stuff. There's 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.520 a there's a new version of that with just me, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.839 not not me and Ben my co host anymore. But 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.200 but go to car Stuff show dot com and check 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.720 out our archival information that we have there. You can 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.880 search our podcast history are archives and you can find 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.200 that we have over nine episodes in there that you 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.440 can you can search. One of those happens to be 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.279 on engine Swaps and the engine Swap episode we did 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.440 back in two thousand nine, and I believe there was 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.400 a repeat of this one back in two thousand twelve. Uh, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:43.280 there's a rerun, same show, and um, we talked about 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.960 a lot of, um, you know, the things that people 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.520 have done to their cars in the past, you know, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.920 whether it was you know, just fantasy they wanted to 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.159 do this, they have done it. I think mostly this 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.039 show was based in reality and that it was it 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.520 was people that had done swaps in their cars, maybe 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.200 even some listeners that had transplanted something incredible to the 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:01.960 hood of a you know, like a small little vehicle, 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.480 you know, taking a V eight and stuffing it into 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.960 a Fierro, or taking a giant again another V a 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.440 Corvette engine or something and putting it in a Miata. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.800 Just incredible swaps like that that make cars faster and 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:15.960 better in some way, you know, kind of a sleeper, 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.720 I guess in a lot of ways, or or just 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.200 some enormous V eight engine that they would stuff into, um, 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:22.880 you know, an old pickup truck and make it, you know, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.560 something that is unexpected on the drag strip, you know, 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:26.800 that type of that type of thing. There were a 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.080 lot of, um there's a lot of stories about people 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:30.960 that do things like this, you know, put w R 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.440 X S t I engines in different vehicles and and 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.880 just just fun things, fun swaps that people do. One 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.920 question that comes up quite a bit is um, you 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.320 know why can't I put a race car engine into 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.240 my daily driver and make it reliable, make it, you know, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:47.800 something that I can count on to get me to 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.600 and from work or school or wherever. And uh, like 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.880 I said before, I think I just kind of touched 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.080 on this, but uh, you know that's the thing is 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.080 that like the logistics behind this whole thing, this this 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.920 type of engine swap, they just really don't match up. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.320 The race engines and the production cars don't necessarily have 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.520 enough in common for it to work often enough. I know, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.720 you can you can take you know, um, maybe an 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.960 engine from an old car that was a race car 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.080 that raced at the local dirt track or circle track 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:17.960 or whatever and put it in your your street car, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:19.920 and and that might be kind of cool. But when 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.120 we're talking about this, this level of swap, when we're 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:23.920 talking about you know, taking an Indy car engine and 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.920 putting it into um, you know, I don't know, like 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.760 a Subaru or something like that, where you take a 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.160 an F one engine and you want to put it 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.520 in into your BMW. It doesn't necessarily work that way. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.600 There's there's just not enough um you know, commonality between 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.120 the two vehicles in order to make it work. The 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.320 logistics don't work. And I'll tell you there are five 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.839 reasons at least five. There's probably way more than five 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.880 why this won't work. And it comes from an article, 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.080 uh that that I'm going to follow along with here 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.080 called the car Throttle dot com and a lot of this. 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.240 There's a lot of common sense in this as well. Um, 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.440 before I get into this whole thing, before I get into, 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.480 you know, the top five reasons, I do want to 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.600 say that, you know, I understand that there are some 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.559 F one derived engines in past vehicles, you know, past 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.720 road cars that have have been successful. Now, this isn't 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.160 necessarily taking an actual F one engine and putting it 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.000 into a road car and making it work. It's it's 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.000 it's a derived engine. So it has a lot of 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.800 commonality between the uh, the F one engine and the 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.600 road car. But maybe it's just the number of cylinders. 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.440 Maybe it's just some of you know, the the headwork 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:30.760 that they do on the thing. You know, maybe it's 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.040 very similar in that way. But you're gonna find that 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.040 the cooling and the fuel and all that is is 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.840 completely different in these vehicles. Now, a couple of them, 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.240 just to give you an example. I can give you 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.960 maybe three or four examples here just real quick. Uh, 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.640 the two thousand five BMW E sixt M five that 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.120 had a V ten engine that was um derived from 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.080 the F one vehicle that that BMW fronted at the time. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.719 And if you want this is actually a pretty good 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.199 news because right now, going back to get an E 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.280 six d M five with that V ten engine, it's 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.040 it's fair really cheap considering considering what you're getting. Uh, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.640 you can find one that is roughly, you know, somewhere 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.520 in the ballpark of about twenty dollars right now. I 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.520 know that still sounds like it's kind of expensive if 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.160 you're talking about just a toy car you know, have 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.640 on the weekends and have fun with or whatever. But uh, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.440 this one could be a daily driver, it could be 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.439 a could be a fun car for under twenty thousand. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.120 So keep your eyes open for an E sixt M 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.320 five BMW from around two thousand five, and you'll find 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.360 that they do have that that F one derived V 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.160 ten engine. In fact, there's another one that's a lot 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.640 more expensive. This will show you that, uh, you know, 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.040 the BMW maybe is quite a bargain compared to it 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.360 the Ferrari F fifty. The Ferrari F fifty does have 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.400 a V twelve engine that was derived from the F 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.280 one car at the time that Ferrari is posting in 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.320 that series, and this is from around to about nineteen seven. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.400 And then there's the Porsche Carrera GT, which has a 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.200 five point seven leader V ten engine UM and that 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.120 is a car that was built around two thousand three 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.240 to two thousand seven. I believe that I think that 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.559 seven was the final model of the year for that vehicle. UM. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.440 And there there's some others out there too, but those 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.080 are just you know, three quick examples of some of 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.440 these F one derived engines and some of the road 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.760 cars that you can have that that do have these. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.000 But I want to point this out, and I think 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.360 this is really really important, you know, to make these 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.000 engines road where they would take so much effort to 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.000 make them, you know, so they're reliable, so that they 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.199 cool correctly, so that you know, you don't have to 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.319 use some crazy, ridiculous fuel in order to drive them, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.440 you know, here and there to get the performance out 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.840 of them. They won't knock, so they won't destroy themselves. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.160 There's there's so many uh different things that we need 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.080 to talk about in this podcast that we're gonna get to. 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.800 I promise F one engines. I wanted to stress this 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.760 are extreme. I mean and that's not an overexaggeration or 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.520 an overuse of the word extreme. They truly are F 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.160 one engines are extreme. And just to give you an 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.360 idea of what they're using right now, they're using um 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.760 the current F one configuration for nineteen, they're using one 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.400 point six leader four stroke turbocharged V six engines in 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.200 these cars. Now, there's been an incredible evolution in UH 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.120 in F one engines over the years, and going back 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.320 to pre nine, there were unlimited cylinders. You could use 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.080 an unlimited number of cylinders in the cars. If you 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.959 wanted to have sixteen cylinder, you could a twelve cylinder whatever. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.280 In the nineties they limited the number of cylinders to twelve, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.600 and then in the early two thousand's they cut that 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.600 back to V tens. Everybody was using V tens, and 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.480 then in two thousand and eight they went to V eights, 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.600 and then I don't remember, I think it's around twenty fourteen, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.560 two thousand fourteen, I believe they backed it down to 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.800 these Uh, these turbo charge V six engines, and uh, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.760 of course they're getting just as much power out of them, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.360 so you know, the the engineering behind them is very 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.800 very solid, of course, as you can imagine. Uh, and 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.040 they drive just an incredible amount of power out of 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.480 these things. Just remember how extreme these engines are and 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.480 how the logistics just don't match up with your typical 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.439 road cars. So you know, some of the stuff that 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.400 that I'll tell you here, Uh, it's pretty incredible. I 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.120 mean really when you think, when you think about it, UM, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.480 for number one, I guess we'll start right here. They 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.280 are notoriously difficult to start. They're very very difficult engine 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.400 to start. So you can't just jump in the car 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.240 and expect it to turn over if you turn a 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.800 key or push a button or whatever. It doesn't happen 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.640 that way. It has to These things have to be 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.120 brought to life in what we'll call precise conditions. And 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.839 by by precise, I mean that first of all, you'd 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.680 have to have these external pumps that would push um 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.000 coolant and fuel through the system. So you're gonna have 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:29.000 to um, you know, pump these these preheated liquids through 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.800 the engine in order to make it even work. Now 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.400 this is kind of funny. I mean, the water and 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.000 oil pump that would be necessary to send these around, um, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.680 they have to um be preheated too, about a hundred 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.640 and seventy six degrees fahrenheit, that's eighty degrees centigrade, uh, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.079 to to kind of warm up the engines inner passages 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.920 before they would even start. So you know, um, prior 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.960 to that, these things are built to such tight tolerances, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:58.880 so such incredible small tolerances that anything cooler than that 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:03.360 and the engine is effectively seized. Either there's nothing that 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.320 would even turn that engine, and the pistons are gonna 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.640 be so tight within the cylinder walls that they're going 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.120 to be essentially sees solid. And so anything below sixty 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.559 degrees centigrade, which is about a hundred and forty degrees, 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.600 you can't even get it to budget all. So, so 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.400 a hundred and seventy six is going to be kind 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.640 of the minimum temperature that you're gonna need in this 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.120 thing in order to get it to even crank over. 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.760 And and then once you do, of course, you're gonna 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.480 have to have what is effectively like a large drill 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.880 or you know, a starting mechanism. And I think we've 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.880 all seen this on the starting grid for any type 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.280 of open wheel race car, you know, IndyCar, F one, 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.000 you know, whatever happens to be some of these other 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.640 formula series where they have to crank the engine with 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.480 UM an external starter and that's how they get it going. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.520 So it's just not very practical for you to want 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.760 to do this in your in your own driveway, especially 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.000 on a like a you know, wintry morning on January 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:53.360 or something. You know, if you're trying to go out 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.120 and snow and and start up your car with an 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.400 F one engine, there's no way there's just gonna have 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.000 no chance of starting that thing out. So UM understand 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.760 that that you know, it will require these these external 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.520 pumps that that pump this heated fluid throughout the engine, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.960 the cooling and lubricant. UM. You know, just a side 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.280 down here, and I want to take just a moment 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.720 to uh, to pause on this for a second as 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.520 we as we talk about this. And one thing that 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.080 I've really enjoyed watching over the past several years on YouTube, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.360 and I've owned a car that has I don't own 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:25.960 it anymore. I had I had a car that had 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.640 an enormous V eight engine and it was just a 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.480 beautiful sounding engine. I love to hear it run. One 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.640 thing that I've I've kind of become addicted to, I 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.560 guess on on YouTube is watching people cold start their 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.280 muscle cars. And I know it's a little silly, it's 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.400 a little funny, but you know, it doesn't even have 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.280 to be muscle car. Can just be an old luxury car. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.640 It can be any car from you know that nineteen 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.320 sixties nineteen seventies era that you know, they they just 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.480 refused to start on cold marains and you know, you're 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.960 you're pumping the gas pedal, you're pulling the choke. You know, 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.560 you're trying to do everything you can in order to 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.440 get it to go. I just won't fire. And then finally, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.800 after know what, it seems like a minute of cranking 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.920 the engine, finally it just slowly starts to turn over 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.160 and chugged to life. And then once it does, you 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.360 know it it burbles and kind of gurgles quite a bit, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.400 and uh, finally kind of breathe to life. Once it does, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.760 you know, then you hear some owners after a few 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.920 minutes they might give it a little throttle, and you 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.600 know that's when they get they get the great sound. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.920 But for some reason, these cold start videos online are 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.800 just they're fun to watch, and you can see some 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.360 incredible cars and you get to hear some of the 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.200 best engines that you know we're made ever really, I mean, 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:32.720 as far as I'm concerned. You know, some of these 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.120 these enormous vates that were just so powerful and so 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.440 so dramatic when they begin, you know, they sounds so amazing. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.680 Just it's kind of a fun thing. So um, you know, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.000 we've gone through our list here only we've only done 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.720 the first one on our list. We've got four more 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.720 to go, and I'd like to get back into it 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.800 in just a moment, but first let's take a break 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:58.440 for a word from our sponsor. And we're back and 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.120 you're listening to the Fast Track. I'm your host, Scott Benjamin, 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.639 and we were talking about about being able to stuff 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.040 and f one engine into your road car. Would it work? 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.800 Would it not work? And and uh, I think we're 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.159 pretty much uh getting to the point where we understand 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.920 that it would not work. But there are five reasons. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.400 There are five good reasons. Probably a hundred other good 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.120 reasons why it wouldn't work as well. But I'm gonna 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.320 give you the top five. And the first one that 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.960 we talked about was because they're they're tough to start. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.639 That's one thing, and really it's really tough to start. UM. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.600 The second one that we're going to talk about here 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.080 on our way to the the last version of the 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.320 last reason is that they're not cheap. And uh, to 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.320 which most of you will reply, duh, we know that 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.440 they're not cheap. They're they're very very expensive. In fact, 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.920 the average F one power train at this point, and 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.320 I think this article was written in this is a 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:53.840 article article UM, the price is roughly seven point seven million, 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.240 anywhere up to ten point five million dollars per engine. 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.960 So imagine this. I mean, let's say that you've got 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.760 the the ultimate top end vehicle, UM, the Mercedes makes, 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.119 and you want to put a Mercedes F one engine 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.600 into it. It's not going to be as simple as 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.280 you think. Mercedes doesn't build its F one engines to 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.000 fit into its road cars. However, let's say you've got 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.439 a Mercedes that several hundred thousand dollars and you know, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.560 to begin with, it's a road car and you want 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.399 to put one of these in there. The manufacturer is 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.040 not going to put a seven point seven million dollar 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.720 engine into the car and expect you to be able 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.000 to maintain it and and and keep that thing going. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.840 It's just there. There's just no way, there's no way 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.440 to justify putting that type of money into an engine 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.680 for a road car. Um the cost again, the cost 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.920 comes from some of these extremely tight and tiny tolerances 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.639 that emines are manufactured or machine too. And because of 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.800 this that that's how they get every little tiny bit 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:47.840 of power out of them that they can within those 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.960 six cylinders because you know, again they're dealing with six 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.919 cylinders turbo charge engines, turbo of course, but but still 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.240 they are trying to get every tiny little bit of 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.480 a less little morsel of power out of that engine 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.439 that they can. And and uh, and that's how they 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.160 do it. They manufacture them to these really really tight tolerances. 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.240 And as we said in the starting part of this, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.359 you know, if you don't even if you don't circulate 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.480 the fluid throughout the engine order to heat it up, 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.159 it's not even gonna turn. It's going to be as 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.040 if they're seized in there. It's that tight, and that's 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.440 not the case with your normal road car. You're able 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.040 to typically, you know, put a wrench on the engine 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.399 and turn it freely. Um, it's a struggle in some cases. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.760 There's a lot of compression there. I agree, However, it's 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.359 nothing like an F one car. Um, there's just no 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.280 way to even move it at that point. I do 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.360 also want to say that F one engines rev it's 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.720 something like fifteen thousand RPMs or even more in some cases, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.960 and they use things like pressurized nitrogen which snap the 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.359 engine valves back into place. Um, you know, after the 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.680 camshaft loads of open them. So they're they're like, there's 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.080 more to it than just you know it being um 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.399 expensive to uh um, you know, to manufacture the engine, 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.880 expensive to you know, upkeep the engine. I guess it's 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:57.840 like a different world. You know. You would you would 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.120 require having somebody on hand at all times in order 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.399 to monitor all systems in this car as you're driving it. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.399 You know, practically after every drive to the office, you 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.800 would have to have somebody monitoring the engine, telling you 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.120 what you broke during your drive to work. How much 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.480 it's gonna cost, you know, and you likely wouldn't be 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.600 driving that same car home. That's the way. That's way 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.320 a lot of these work. And we'll we'll talk about 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.960 that in just a moment too, because that is coming up. 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.399 But one other thing, uh here in number three on 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.800 the list out of five that we're gonna talk about 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.680 is cooling and uh oh man with that fifteen thousand 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.800 rpm that we talked about, and uh, you know, just 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.040 the incredible efficiency that these things operate, and you know 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:35.879 how hot they have to be in order to to 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.320 maintain even fluid movement so that they that they continue 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.600 to operate. Um, you're gonna find that cooling is really 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:46.040 really critical in these things, and radiator sizing UM is 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.760 really really important. It's huge. It's a huge concern for 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.000 F one teams. And if you've ever seen an F 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.239 one car, and I'm sure that anybody listening to this 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.080 podcast is familiar with an F one car or an 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.040 Indy car, those enormous pods that are on the side 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:00.560 of the car, so the ones that are to the 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.760 left and right of the driver, those are where the coolants, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.520 the cooling system is housed. So that's where that's where 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.560 you're gonna find the radiators and the radiator its actually 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.840 heat exchangers, but it's a radiator if you want to 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.200 call it that. That's the best way to say it. Um. 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:16.959 But they are enormous. They're they're much bigger than just 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.480 the pods. Uh. You know, the distance from the top 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.480 to bottom if you were to measure them, Uh, you know, 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.160 they're they're less than the height of your knee maybe 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:25.960 you know, when you're standing next to the car. So 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:27.639 the way they get around this in order to make 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.639 these um much much bigger than uh they would be 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.920 if they're standing upright, is that they angle them and 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.359 the heat exchangers are angled down and away, so the 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.840 top front edge is angled to the front of the car, 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.680 the bottom edges angled to the back of the car. 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.400 And uh, and they're really big there. They go through 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.639 that whole pod um kind of like at a forty 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.120 five degree angle. So there's the maximum amount of air 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.760 flow over top of those things. And um. You know, 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.320 in order to keep one of these f one uh 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.480 power units cool, you know, you have to keep them overheating. 0:21:57.760 --> 0:21:59.600 You're not gonna be able to do much idling. So 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.720 if you in traffic every day, you know, in Atlanta traffic, 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.520 or Dallas or Los Angeles or wherever you happen to live. Uh, 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:08.080 you're not gonna be able to keep your f one 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.640 engine powered road car cool. There's just no way You're 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.920 gonna have to continue to have airflow over those radiators 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.000 those heat exchanges for uh the entire time that you're 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.840 driving it. It really requires you to to keep them 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.040 moving in order to keep them cool enough to operate. 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.600 And that's something that just a lot of people aren't 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:27.639 going to be able to to do. Um. You know, 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.040 they put out so much horsepower, they have such high 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.760 revving speeds that you know, it's difficult to keep them cool. 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.600 You need as much air as possible. Those side pods 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.359 are about the only way that it's going to happen. 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.240 And unless you know, you are someone who is willing 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.760 to completely change the look of your vehicle, you know, uh, 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.280 you know, the front opening for radiator in most cars 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.600 is not going to be enough to cool one of 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.320 these engines. If you were to try to get one 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.840 end of your car, you're gonna need something much much larger. 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:55.960 So you're gonna have to have I guess what you'd 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:59.280 call as this article says a rather adventurous body kit 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.040 um on your vehicle in order to to make it work, 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.240 So you're gonna have to, you know, add these extra 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.359 side pods on the side, or you know, add something 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.639 that is going to look out of place on your 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.000 vehicle in order to make it work and to to 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.800 get those um those coolant systems in place that are 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.920 sufficient enough to keep the temperature down. You know, we're 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.280 gonna talk about two more things here before we wrap 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.359 this up. But first let's take a break for a 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:31.199 word from our sponsor. And we're back and you're listening 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.199 to the fast Track. I'm your host, Scott Benjaman, and 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.280 we were just going through this list of reasons why 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:37.840 it might not be a good idea to stuff and 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.159 f one engine into your road car, and uh, and 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.439 there's a lot of good reasons, probably hundreds of reasons. 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:44.960 And we are up to number four on our list 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.320 of five here. That comes from an article that was 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.800 written in car throttle dot com if you want to 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.600 follow along with this, and there's probably many other articles 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:56.600 just like it with with other typical or other similar 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.879 reasons as well. I'm sure because these are these just 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:01.960 some good, some good reasons. Number one I think is 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:03.600 right where it should be. But first let's talk about 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.440 number four. We'll talk about the fuel bill, and uh 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:11.560 as you can imagine the fuel bill, so F one 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:13.960 regulations rule this. So there's a rule and F one 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.120 that dictates that an F one engine or F one 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.960 car cannot burn through more than one of petrol per 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.760 hour of driving. So that equates to roughly, I'm gonna 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:24.720 I'm gonna ballpark this. That's like a little more than 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.480 twenty six gallons of fuel. So that's for one hour 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:29.800 of driving. Now consider that you know a lot of 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.359 people drive about a half hour on your daily commute, 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.080 and that's of course you're not gonna go race speed, 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.440 obviously you're gonna go a little bit slower. But it's 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:40.640 gonna typically amount to about fifty leaders of fuel, which 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:42.920 is about thirteen and a half gallons of fuel that 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.640 you're gonna burn on that commute, on that half hour 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.439 commute to work. So it's gonna be quite quite an 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.880 expensive drive into work. And the thing is that these 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:52.800 F one cars can carry a lot of fuel too. 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.800 They can carry twittered and twenty five leaders, which is 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.440 almost sixty gallons of fuel. So that's a lot of 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.239 fuel to put in your car. Um, you're gonna end 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.639 up spending a lot of time at the gas station. 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:05.639 And and here's the interesting thing, and you might not 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.359 have guessed this, is that the type of fuel that 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:12.000 these things run on, it's it's not necessarily that much 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.439 different than the type of fuel that you use in 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.520 your daily drive, Like if you were to drive a 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.920 car that uses high octane fuel. Um, it's fairly close. 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.280 It's not exactly the same, but it's fairly close to 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.320 the same chemical makeup of fuel that we use every day. 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.560 But you know, there have been some slight modifications to it, 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.679 you know, with some uh, some additives and you know, 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.800 some different things that you know are required per engine. 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.479 And that's the thing that's part of why this is 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.280 again this is just something that is not capable of. 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:41.239 Logistics just don't work out for something like this. And 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.760 that's because after every single race, uh, the engine oil 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.399 is tested for up to fifteen different types of metal 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.879 to source any probable any probable concentrations aware in the engine. 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.240 So you're you're looking at um, you know, chemical analysis 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.640 is analysis rather of the engine oil. And I think 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:00.280 they even send the fuel out to make sure that 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.640 they're using the proper fuel and all that. But the 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:06.879 engine oil is is monitored for up to fifteen different 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.760 types of metal, uh that are they're found within the engine, 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:11.360 so that they'll be able to tell where the where 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.400 is coming from. If it's the piston rings, if it's 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.879 the cylinder walls, you know, whatever it happens to be, 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.120 if it's if it's camshafts that are wearing prematurely, they'll 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.120 be able to determine exactly where that metal is coming from. 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:25.560 And then they change the fuel. They contact the fuel 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.439 supplier and they dictate the level of cleaning and friction 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.960 reduction additives that have to be integrated into the next 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.520 batch of fuel that they send them for the race. 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:38.320 So fuel is not something uh that can be overlooked 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.000 in this when you're when you're talking about, you know, 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:41.880 putting an F one engine in your car, It's something 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.440 that you definitely have to consider if you're gonna even 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.680 try this. And again I don't recommend anybody does this. 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.520 If you have seven point seven to ten point five 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:52.280 million dollars burning a hole in your pocket and you 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:54.560 want to try this, go ahead and do it. But um, 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.040 I just don't think that the actually, that's just not 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.880 going to be possible. There's so many reasons why it's 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.200 not a good idea to do this. Um, but after 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.960 every single drive in your F one engine road car. Uh, 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.240 it would be advisable if you wanted to run and 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.840 to operate like an F one engine does in a 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.720 in a car, in a you know, on a team, 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.199 on an F one team, it would be advisable to 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.480 hire a chemical engineer to test your car after every 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.440 single drive that you make, you know, to and from 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.040 work wherever it happens to be, just around town, and 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:29.000 then supply you with you know, custom fuel specifically blended 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.280 for your engine. And that's that's one very good reason 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:35.280 not to do this. I mean, how boy, this would 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:39.440 be expensive, would it'd be? It would be super super expensive. Otherwise, um, 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:41.879 otherwise it might be a great idea other, you know, 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:43.520 other than the other four things that I've told you 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.200 already about this thing, uh, the last one on this list. 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.720 This is maybe again I think this is this is 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.360 the right where it should be. This is number one 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.760 on the list for a good reason. How many times 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.080 have you been watching a Formula One race or any 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.160 kind of car race, and one to three laps into 0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.959 the race, someone blows an engine. There's mechanical failure immediately. 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:05.320 Now again this is a seven and a half to 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.720 ten and a half million dollar engine. That is somehow 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.400 something I find a way to grenade itself. It imploded 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.280 in some way. What happened? You know, you're you're gonna 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.680 find that. There's a variety of reasons. There's a lot 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:18.800 of problems there. They have to be cooled. If you're 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.040 not cooled correctly, you know, it could be any number 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.960 of things. There's just a lot of stresses put on 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.840 these engines, as you can imagine, even in a well 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.679 running car, and and something that is is perfectly running, 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.080 the lifespan on these engines is very very short. Now, 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.080 in an unlimited F one car, um you know that 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.160 they are allowed to spin as high as as twenty RPMs. 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.120 And we said, you know, they've been limited to about 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.080 fifteen thousand RPMs. I think that's what F one dictates. 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.200 But if it was unlimited, they could spin it up 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.360 to twenty RPMs. And they have a real small stroke, 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.760 a real wide board allows us to happen. But the 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.120 pistons are moving up and down at something like three 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:59.240 hundred times every second. So three times every second the 0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.720 pistons are moving up and down. That's extremely fast. And 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.880 if you consider the weight of all those components that 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.840 that do all that that that make that crazy movement 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.120 in the engine, the pistons can experience somewhere in the 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.840 neighborhood of ten thousand, six hundred times the weight of gravity. 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:18.400 So the pistons are experiencing ten thousand six d g 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.920 s when they're at maximum revs. Now that's twenty thousand. Again, 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.040 I don't know what it is for fifteen thousand, no 0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:27.080 calculation for that right now. But there's an incredible amount 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:30.200 of internal pressure that's going on within these cylinders. Um. 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.040 You know, the cylinders are reaching somewhere around fifteen hundred 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.440 ps i every second. Um, you know, it's no surprise 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.080 that these engines they typically lasted and this is the 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:43.120 maximum lifespan for these engines somewhere around a thousand kilometers. Now, 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:47.040 that's about six twenty one miles before they have to 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.840 be completely stripped and cared for and you know, rebuilt 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.600 in some way. Um. Now, that's not a whole lot 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.719 and you know, I've kind of done the calculation for this. 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.320 Now this article says something, do you know, do you 0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.960 want to rebuild your engine six to ten times a year? Uh? 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:03.440 Not something that most people want to do. And and 0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.960 here's the truth behind that is, you know, it's six 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.760 hundred twenty one miles for the maximum lifespan of this 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.280 before it has to be rebuilt six to ten times 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.280 a year. Doesn't amount to too many miles per year. 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.280 That's only between three thousand, seven hundred and twenty six 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.280 miles and six thousand, two hundred and ten miles driven 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:20.640 per year. And I don't know a lot of people 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.160 that drive, you know that short of a distance. That's 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.960 small of a distance. Uh, very few people do. Myself, 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.240 I put something like twenty thousand miles in a car here, 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.280 maybe even twenty five thousand UM. But the average US 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.920 driver at this point is putting thirteen thousand, four hundred 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.800 and seventy six miles on their vehicle every single year. 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.240 That's the US average right now, thirteen thousand, four hundred 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.000 and seventy six miles per year. That would equate if 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:48.160 if you divide that by six twenty one miles between rebuilds. 0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.480 That means that the average driver would have to rebuild 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.560 their engine twenty two times every year. Twenty two times 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.840 is what you would be looking at to rebuild your 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:58.560 seven and a half to ten and a half million 0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.720 dollar engines. So, um, there's just no there's no way 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.280 to get this done. And uh, you know, this is funny. 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:06.840 There's a there's a quote in here, and I've heard 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.760 this quote many many times and I think it's funny, 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.120 but it makes perfect sense. And it was actually a 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.000 quote from Ferdinand Porsche and it's from a long This 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.320 of course goes back to the I think, but it's 0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:20.080 talking about race cars and perfect racing cars and how 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.120 you know, they just give their ultimately, you know, the 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.520 most that they possibly can, and then they just they 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:27.959 die at the end. That's it. I mean, it's very dramatic. 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.680 I understand that. You know, it's like, uh, um, you know, 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:32.880 give it, give it your all, and then that's it. 0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:36.440 It's it's over. Um. But the quote is the perfect 0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.920 racing car crosses the finish line first and subsequently falls 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:43.640 into its component parts. And I completely agree with this. 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.080 So the idea is that you win the race, the 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.160 car just completely falls apart before you even make it 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.680 around your victory lap. And uh, and you're the winner. 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:52.360 But you know, the car has given its all. It's 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.800 given everything. And I don't know if anybody has ever 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.840 driven a car like this. I've I've had several cars 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.240 like this, and and this is something that kind of 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.000 watch out for. I've I've I've driven many many cars 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.400 over my years. I've I've had several cars, and some 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:08.040 of them were a little sporty. Some of them were, 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.640 you know, just sedans or whatever, you know, a variety 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.520 of vehicles, the sporty cars. However, I've noticed a few 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.080 times and this this happens occasionally. There there's maybe and 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:18.680 I had it. You know what, I'm going to get 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:20.440 ahead of myself here, but let me just tell you this. 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.280 There's certain days when my cars felt better than other days, 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:26.640 and it felt like the car was just driving at 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:30.280 its ultimate best performance. It just felt good underneath me. 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.480 For so for whatever reason, it was shifting right, it 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.120 felt good, it was handling right. Everything was just right. 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:37.040 And uh, and then there are other days when it 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.120 feels like a little a little bit more sluggish or whatever. 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.400 And it doesn't coincide always with the weather because you 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.920 would think that um, you know, it would be as 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.280 one of my former bosses would say, it's maybe just 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.120 atmospheric conditions that that cause that. You know, it's it's 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.880 it's cool weather. It's uh, it's cool weather, that's not damp. 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:54.520 You know that it's dry weather. You know, and the 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:56.640 and the roadway is hot or you know, it feels 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:58.160 you know, the tires are able to warm up and 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:00.400 it feels better. And that wasn't always a case. It 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.280 didn't always match up that way, and I was always 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.080 puzzled by this. But then I've had a few cars 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:09.040 in the past that I've been driving, and this is 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.840 a fantastic thing. When it happens, it feels great. The 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:15.520 car just feels loose, it feels like everything is working right. 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.520 The engine is so smooth and so just everything is 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.880 like it doesn't make any noise, it's uh, it's shifting smoothly. 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.120 It's it's driving better than it ever has before. And 0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.080 you're wondering, what is what's the deal with this? Why 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.200 is it working like this? And then you know one 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.640 week later catastrophic engine failure something like that. You know, 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.560 some major major problem happens it turns out the car 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.000 was loose because you know something was about to break. 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.080 You know, there are things that were going wrong in 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.440 the engine that we're making it loose. It wasn't as 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.000 tight or wasn't being bound up, it wasn't being restricted 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.280 in a way that it should have been. And uh, 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.640 you know, it ran too freely. It ran you know 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:51.400 a little too a little too good, or maybe I 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.040 pushed a little too hard or whatever. But um, you know, 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:55.959 watch for that sometimes. I mean, if if your car 0:33:56.040 --> 0:34:00.200 is running really, really great, maybe you know, maybe uh, 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.560 instead of thinking like this is fantastic, maybe take a 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.280 look for something that's going wrong with it. And I 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.080 hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.200 happens quite a bit. Um. But again that that kind 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:10.920 of falls into that category. And we've I think we've 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:12.799 seen cars that do that on the racetrack to you 0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.360 know that, Uh, they run fantastic for the race, but 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.799 they can't make that final lap. They can't they can't 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.720 push it into victory circle. It's just it's too difficult. 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.160 So you know, when you're running a power train at 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.360 the peak of automotive engineering, at the peak of perfection, 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.840 it's something that is a different monster altogether from you know, 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:32.799 the car that you have in your garage right now 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.360 that is built for you know, a hundred thousand miles 0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:39.160 of what you call, you know, low revering, low reving driving, 0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.880 you know, like it doesn't it doesn't get pushed to 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:43.960 the limit every single day like this thing does, or 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.440 every single moment, like an F one engine does, or 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.360 or or should be. F one engines almost need to 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.120 be pushed to that limit. So, um, I don't know, 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.600 there's a lot of reasons. There's probably again a hundred 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:56.480 reasons not to put an F one engine into a 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.560 road car, But that's five and I think we'll stick 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.920 with that and and leave it there. Um. I do 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.080 want to mention that we are going to, uh, we're 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.000 gonna talk about more topics like this. We're gonna talk 0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.400 about engine swaps, and we're gonna talk about some some 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.919 of these uh the these engines that that push the 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.280 ultimate limits in the in these cars. We're gonna talk about, 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:16.600 you know, drag cars that have five thousand plus horsepower. 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.080 We're gonna talk about some go carts. Even, we'll talk 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:21.360 about you know that that that go faster than you 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.040 could ever imagine from a modified Briggs and Stratton engine. 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.160 We're gonna talk about all kinds of engines in this 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:29.200 series and uh and and in this podcast over the 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.640 years as we as we progress here. And if you 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:34.480 have a comment on today's show about the F one 0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.960 engine and and road cars and you know why it's 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.319 not possible or maybe an engine swap that you've done 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.880 that you know is pretty exciting to know something that, uh, 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.120 that that markedly improved the performance of the car, or 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:47.080 it was just an interesting swap for whatever reason. 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