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Speaker 2: What is your child in Trada?

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Speaker 1: I am a cook, choky. What's going down before round?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give

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Speaker 1: yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Ra's domin, I'm Fran

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Speaker 1: Torodo and Fran. If I see your goddamn elf bar,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to piss all over your bed in our

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Speaker 1: fire Island house. You should, I mean, look, we at

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Speaker 1: Like a Virgin. And I did notice that you gave

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Speaker 1: yourself the only king bed in the house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gave myself the only king bed in the house,

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Speaker 3: you betcha. I've been doing a lot of labor to

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Speaker 3: earn that you have, and I think we are all

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Speaker 3: in agreement there. You are welcome to share the king

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Speaker 3: bed with me anytime you want, rose if you want

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Speaker 3: to come cuddles, so.

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Speaker 1: Maybe i'll maybe I'll sneak in there for a little

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Speaker 3: I'm so well wait, I just have to say once again,

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Speaker 3: we at Loretta LLC do not endorse elf bars.

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Speaker 1: They are nasty and disgusting.

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Speaker 3: I'm throwing this one away and replacing it with the

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Speaker 3: three packs of camel crushes Rose will be bringing to

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Speaker 3: fire ifolate. Well, apparently camel crushes have been like outlawed

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Speaker 3: or something, which is great, but all can't buy them anymore.

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Speaker 3: But I'm pretty sure I can hunt down a pack

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Speaker 3: or two in at a bodega somewhere.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 3: They've been outlawed for that for a similar reason that

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Speaker 3: elf bars have been out lot, which is like you're

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Speaker 3: not allowed to have flavored nicotine available in certain stores

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Speaker 3: or places. I know that that was definitely specific to California,

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Also, something I've noticed is so since I moved back

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Speaker 1: like you just like that has been a thing. And

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Speaker 1: last week, the week before before I went out of town,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, is like did something change?

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Speaker 4: Are they?

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Speaker 3: It's about going to a specific bodega. You have to

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Speaker 3: know a specific guy, a specific specific deal a specific.

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Speaker 1: These were my specific places. They always had they always

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Speaker 1: had weed, they had pre rolls, and now they don't. Well, no,

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Speaker 3: Can I be a snob real quick? In the world

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Speaker 3: weed buying territory? I became a stoner in California. We

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Speaker 4: A different level.

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Speaker 3: I literally came back to New York trying to ditch

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Speaker 1: It so easy because the weed here is ship.

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Speaker 3: Compared to what I'm smoking in LA And that is

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Speaker 1: They're making me feel groggy.

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Speaker 3: They're not giving any sort of lyft, they don't feel

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Speaker 1: So if anybody all this to say, if you are

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Speaker 3: Or if you are flying from LA and visiting New York,

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Speaker 1: So this is very much old news at this point.

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Speaker 1: But this is just how our release schedule works. And

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Speaker 1: since our Patreon episode this week was the recording of

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Speaker 1: don't know how you felt, but this third episode, I

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Speaker 3: Yes, we love this, this is why we watch. I

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Speaker 3: And I honestly feel like, just as we said before,

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Speaker 3: like I don't want to watch this, Sorry, I don't,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I appreciate the writers

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Speaker 3: and that's fine, and I'm sure this will be very

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Speaker 3: impactful for people who have had lovers and family members who.

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Speaker 1: It's just not fun. It's so unfun.

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Speaker 3: And it's the same reason why the other three cast

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Speaker 1: She's annoying, she's so boring. Get her off the show.

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Speaker 3: LTW is also extremely ancillary, Like she's fabulous, and Seema

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Speaker 3: And I feel like it's almost problematic of me to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do know what you mean, and like, excuse

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you about the Carrie's grief plotline. I

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Speaker 1: notably by Kennie Bushnell who wrote the original column that

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Speaker 1: Venn diagram of the characters and the actresses has become

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Speaker 1: because Carrie was always a mess who made really bad decisions,

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Speaker 4: But it's a pretty act read it is.

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Speaker 3: And I will say really quickly, I wish there was

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Speaker 1: Alamo downtown Brooklyn, and because of that, I have seen

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Speaker 1: The Little Mermaid four times in theaters work Diva. That's

440
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Speaker 1: so many times. Rose.

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Speaker 3: We have so many times Rose. This episode very easily.

442
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Speaker 3: I feel like we say this all the time, but

443
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Speaker 3: this time like we mean it, mean it. This is

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Speaker 3: like a virgin hall of fame for us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so this has been a long time coming. It's

446
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Speaker 1: been a long time. On the Lonometer, we are finally

447
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: talking about Lady.

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Speaker 3: Gaga, which is why today's episode is probably extra long.

449
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Speaker 3: So you're gonna enjoy it. Okay, you're gonna send through it.

450
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: And it is that long on purpose.

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Speaker 1: That's another sense. I am beyond repentense. Fame, hooker, prostitute

452
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Speaker 1: wench vomits our mind. But in the cultural sense, I

453
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Speaker 1: just speak in future tense, Judius. If me as a

454
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Speaker 1: fence to wear ear condom next time, what I want

455
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Speaker 1: to love you. Okay, what is it? Well, it's you

456
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Speaker 1: way from Jesus is my verse, and Judas is the demon.

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Speaker 4: A clear.

458
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Speaker 1: I cling to you.

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Speaker 3: Speaking those lyrics out loud is such a disorienting word, salad,

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Speaker 3: and I have to say here and now today in

461
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Speaker 3: our Gaga episode, it is an episode about first and

462
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: foremost slant rhymes. And this woman will stretch anything into

463
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Speaker 3: a rhyme if she needs to, and more often than not,

464
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Speaker 3: it's giving rhyme zone dot com.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Yes, it's giving rhyme zone.

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Speaker 1: It's giving she only knows a certain amount of words

467
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Speaker 1: and it's not willing to learn anymore.

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Speaker 3: Well, I did tell you that when wait you saw

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Speaker 3: CHROMATICA two write the CHROMATICA ball, I did not see

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Speaker 3: the chromatical Okay, I did in our in my CHROMATICA

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Speaker 3: Ball recap, I did tell you that when Gaga does

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Speaker 3: her like intermittent like speaking moments, that she is giving

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Speaker 3: talk to text prediction.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean I think her brain is chat GPT.

475
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think with the cocktail that she's on.

476
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Speaker 1: I remember vividly where I was the first time I

477
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Speaker 1: watched the Just Dance music video, which was my introduction

478
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Speaker 1: to Stephanie Germanada. And so it was when I was

479
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Speaker 1: a nanny for Do you know that I used to

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Speaker 1: be a nanny for Judy Gold. Have I talked about this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we have or not on the podcast now, But

482
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Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't know that, and I remember you

483
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Speaker 3: telling me.

484
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Speaker 1: So famed Jewish lesbian comedian Judy Gold is the reason. Well, no,

485
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Speaker 1: she's not the reason why I was going to be

486
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Speaker 1: played a part in the story because she and her

487
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Speaker 1: ex wife lived in the same building. They had different

488
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Speaker 1: apartments in the same building. And one day, this is

489
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Speaker 1: very lesbian, one day the kids were in one apartment

490
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Speaker 1: and I really needed to get away from them, so

491
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Speaker 1: I went to the other apartment and and watched Just

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Speaker 1: Dance on my computer. And it was the first time

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Speaker 1: I had ever heard of this woman, Lady Gaga. Oh wow,

494
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Speaker 1: And you were doing it, ditching work, ditching work, leaving

495
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Speaker 1: children and endangering them. So I think that really makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I honestly, when you had started talking about Judy Gold

497
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Speaker 3: and you were like she, and I thought you were

498
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Speaker 3: gonna say Judy Gold discovered me, and I was like

499
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Speaker 3: work in a way, maybe the same way that Lady

500
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: Starlight discovered Lady Gaga.

501
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: Maybe wait, is that is that is Lady Starlight the

502
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Speaker 1: who's the one? Who's the girl? Oh? No, Lady Lady

503
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Speaker 1: morganas Lena Morgana.

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Speaker 3: Lena Morgana and Lady Starlight are two different mythological figures

505
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Speaker 3: in the history the historic retelling of Gaga's story.

506
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Speaker 1: Well there, they're both real people. But one of them's dead.

507
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Speaker 3: Well that I mean Lena Morgana remains to be seen.

508
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: We have not seen the remains. No, Lena Morgana is

509
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Speaker 3: confirmed dead. She fell off a roof. So Lena Morgana

510
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Speaker 3: is this? I can't believe this is how we're starting,

511
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: No talk about this is a perfect way to start

512
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: Lena Moore from the beginning, Lena Morgana was in the

513
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: same circle as Gaga when Gaga was starting out in

514
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Speaker 3: her career. You know the story she always tells about

515
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Speaker 3: how she used to drag her ass over to the

516
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Speaker 3: Bitter End with her keyboard to perform. Lena Morgana was

517
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Speaker 3: doing the same kind of thing as her. But from

518
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: all the accounts we have, Lena Morgana was the one

519
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 3: who was doing the cuckoo crazy costumes and stuff. But

520
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: she died falling off a roof and according to some people,

521
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 3: Gaga then sort of appropriated her esthetic and became the

522
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: figure we now know and maybe kilter and maybe kilter.

523
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Speaker 3: I'm I don't know if I actually have heard the

524
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: full tea that is kind of gaggy, but she did.

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Speaker 1: She definitely one killed her. There is like, there's no

526
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Speaker 1: I don't know, there's no really, there's a really iconic

527
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, actually a lot of people on drugs

528
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: fall off roofs all the time. There's a really iconic

529
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Speaker 1: Ayisha erotica song about Lena Morgana that I do want

530
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Speaker 1: to play just a little bit of She murdered her

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Speaker 1: Drest in peace to Nina Morgana. Go to hell if

532
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: you did anything Gaga. All right, all right, all right,

533
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: all right, no, no, no way, you have to let

534
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: just listen to the end of the course of course

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Speaker 1: I do it. I don't know Lena Morgana had to go.

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Speaker 1: My name is Ganga? Incredible? Okay, Well, so.

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Speaker 3: What was you?

538
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Speaker 1: What was your like entree into the world of Gaga?

539
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: My entree I was in my kind of maybe junior

540
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: senior year of high school. I was dating my very

541
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Speaker 3: first boyfriend discovering that I'm into homosexuals.

542
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: And not men, just homosexuals kind of yeah, okay, not

543
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna lie.

544
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that's somewhat somewhat true. Anyways, it's probably better than

545
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: being into straight men. I'm gonna oh yeah, I actually

546
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: am famously like kind of deterred and turned off by

547
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: straight dudes like a I can admire a straight guy

548
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: the way I could admire like a statue.

549
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 4: You don't at a museum.

550
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: You don't like porn where they're both straight men, No, like, no,

551
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: if I I only I am only into that, as

552
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: I've discussed in our porn episode. If it's like a

553
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: little if there's some power play Phoebe, Yeah no.

554
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: Not that that actually is not the narrative, but but

555
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: but you know, if there's consent between both parties and

556
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: they both are into power play. Anyways, I'm going back

557
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: to the story. Okay, I love the Rabbit Trail. Though

558
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: I was dating this guy who was had been out

559
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Speaker 3: longer than me. I had just come out, and he

560
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: was like.

561
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Speaker 1: I would. I'm not gonna say he's like he was

562
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: like out and proud, but everybody knew that he was gay.

563
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: He was making jokes about being gay.

564
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Speaker 3: I like it was he was the school fag. He

565
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: wasn't the school fag. He were No, he was in

566
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: a a toxic love quadrangle, gay love quadrangle that I

567
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: became enveloped in when I came out and the four

568
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: the four gays, who about right, and yes, yeah it is.

569
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: Literally I was just a little life, but like seventeen

570
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: year olds, seventeen year old gays being a littler life,

571
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: tiny life, a very small life, and okay, and.

572
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: It was in this toxic love quadrangle. None of this

573
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Speaker 1: I now, I'm just thinking of like a children's show

574
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: called a Littler Life. It's like The Stranger Things Kids.

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00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: It's like still really traumatic and they're all like dying

576
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: and like being sexually abusing. No, oh my god, it's

577
00:31:53,960 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: like the Babies drama, Anya would Okay, Okay, so none

578
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: of this information is relevant to the story, by the way,

579
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: love quadrangle. Anyways, he was more out and proud like

580
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: than me. And I'm just like at the I was,

581
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: as we all know on the show, living in a

582
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: cultural vacuum and not really in with the kids. I

583
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: was being like, hello, my fellow kids, kind of but

584
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: with actual my fellow kids and not being able to,

585
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: you know, tap into them. But you were wearing a pants, yes, yes,

586
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: And I remember being at a cast party and we

587
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: know the girls popped off at the cast party for

588
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: what show. I don't remember if Christy Dunlinger was there.

589
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess it was maybe The Hobbit or maybe

590
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: the Hobbit. Maybe the Hobbit.

591
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so Lord of the Rings was part

592
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: of your Gaga Awakens.

593
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: Maybe when we were at a cast party and someone

594
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: turned on poker Face, and I don't think it was

595
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: the first time I'd ever heard poker Face, but it

596
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: was definitely the first time ikes burienced poker Face. And

597
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: I remember my boyfriend knowing every single lyric and then

598
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: becoming something of the center of a dance circle moment.

599
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: I know he was white, by the way, and he

600
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: was probably wearing he was probably wearing blue plaid American

601
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: apparel shorts and a polo and like like leather slides,

602
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: nothing more.

603
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Like canvas thong flip flops is what I was giving.

604
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: And he knew every single word and he was so

605
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: confident he was dancing exactly to poker Vace and he

606
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: was so embodied and so like into thought something.

607
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly, you thought he was doing something I did.

608
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: I did truly because like I didn't, I never experienced

609
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: Gaga phantom.

610
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: I didn't really know who Gaga was. I wasn't.

611
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: It was all out there, and I think the way

612
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: he channeled it and like the kind of self possession.

613
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: In that very moment, I was just like, oh, like

614
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: this woman is like and everyone was so buzzing. I

615
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: was like, what's going on?

616
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: And that was that Phoebe's losing her mind? Maybecause okay,

617
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: Phoebe was saying before we started recording, Phoebe was saying, like,

618
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Speaker 1: this is like Gaga is a religion, and this is

619
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Speaker 1: a great little transfertion like a religion, like a true

620
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: like cult. Yes, when I discovered Gaga, I became indoctrinated

621
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: so quickly. And I mean the early days of her career,

622
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 1: pre Bad Romance, which is the thing that really broke

623
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: her out and made her into the cultural juggernaut that

624
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: she had become.

625
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 5: I was.

626
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Obsessed, like I consumed every possible thing I could about her.

627
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: It was the first time in my life that I

628
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: latched onto a diva in that way. I had never

629
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: experienced that before, And I do think the main reason,

630
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: besides the the fact that I was a gay weirdo,

631
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: is because I was a theater kid. And Gaga is

632
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: the patron saint of weird theater kid.

633
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: She is perhaps the most famous theater kid, the most

634
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: power the world's most powerful theater kid. That yeah, I mean,

635
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: who else I could only think of, like Kate Bush,

636
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 3: it's Gaga.

637
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: Gaga is a theater faggot. Well, I mean then Timore.

638
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: Were we talking about this recently? Is that when you

639
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: peel back the layers on a lot of famous people,

640
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: you discovered there just theater kid.

641
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, not know.

642
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: But the thing about Gaga is that she is like

643
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: thea ta. She is giving what did you do to

644
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: die today? She is giving a nunciation like the way

645
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: that Gaga will put some diction on a song is

646
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: showing off the fact that.

647
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: She didn't go to Juilliard. Right, No, she went to

648
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: n Yu famously, right she I remember.

649
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: I think I remember a story that she almost went

650
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: to Juilliard and then decided to just you know, try

651
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 3: and make it in the street.

652
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: Maybe she said that. I don't know if she got

653
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 1: into Juilliard, but I don't remember a lot of people

654
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: almost went to Juliard.

655
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't know. But she yeah,

656
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: she's giving theater. She's giving theater.

657
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 4: Kid.

658
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: Yes, That's what I loved about her from the beginning

659
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: was that, you know, it was this whole she was

660
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: bringing taking pop music back to art. I mean, as

661
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: she would you know, later do very explicitly on art pop.

662
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: But in the beginning that first, I mean I played

663
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: the Fame to death. But then when the Fame Monster

664
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: came out, that's what radicalized me. Like I was, I

665
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: was into it before, and then the Fame Monster that's

666
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: when I became a convert. That's when I became a

667
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: supplicant at the altar.

668
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: Can you describe the what was added on with the

669
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Speaker 3: Fame Monster. Well, the Fame Monster is is like an

670
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: EP that she released that has oh it was an

671
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: EP and then they just mushed them together. Yes, but yes,

672
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: it's like retroactively they've been combined into one album. But

673
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: the Fame Monster was specifically that album where she was

674
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: where it had the Blonde Bob, it has bad romance

675
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: telephone Alejandro like, and that is what really broke her

676
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: out into the mainstream like Bad Romance. Like before that,

677
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: she was still a big pop cultural figure, but in

678
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: the way of like he he isn't she weird? And

679
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: then bad Romance is what it was her like global domination. Yes,

680
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 3: bad Romance was, and I think it has a lot

681
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: to do with her visual language and world that was

682
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: truly like first of its kind in a lot of ways.

683
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: A lot of people can can try and say, who

684
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: did Gaga before Gaga? But I really do feel like

685
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: Gaga is like a once in a generation, once in

686
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: a life time point of view, and I think that

687
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: bat Romance was that thing where it's like truly anointed,

688
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: like we need to now make you the most powerful

689
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: pop star in the world, and she.

690
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: Was, yeah, and you know she is. I think one

691
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: of the last pop stars who really put that much

692
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: effort into her visuals, into music videos specifically, because you

693
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: think about the early years of Gaga, all of her

694
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: huge songs are inextricably linked to either a really iconic

695
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: music video or a really iconic live performance or both,

696
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: like with Paparazzi that video was iconic, and also the

697
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: live performance of the VMA's like one of the great

698
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: live performances, possibly the greatest, No, maybe only edged out

699
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: by like Whitney Houston singing the Star Spangle banner or

700
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga doing her Sound of Music suite at the Oscar.

701
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: I really love Beyonce's cochella performance. We don't need to

702
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: do that, We don't need to do that. Well, we're not.

703
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: The girls are not fighting today. Yeah, the girls are

704
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: not fighting. And also they have nothing to do with

705
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: each other, honestly, Like, That's what I'm saying is like

706
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: Gaga was truly in her own lane, and at the

707
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: time Katy Perry was still was like edging in right

708
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: and like and right like in terms of like pop

709
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: music at the time.

710
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: And then well and very much like pitted against each other,

711
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: like like applause versus roar, oh God moment in the

712
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: stand War Wait describe that. Well, they came out around

713
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: the same time, and they were kind of publicly battling

714
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter. This and the better these are in the

715
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: days back when the girls used to fight on Twitter? Right, Well,

716
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: which was better? Roar applause? Applause is better? Applause is

717
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: a better song?

718
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: It is? It is.

719
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: I just I don't think I thought you would surprise me.

720
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: But yet Applause should not have been the lead single

721
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: off of Art Pop because because it's not, I don't

722
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: think it's a good representation of what that album is.

723
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: I think if Guy had been the lead single off

724
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: of Art Pop, art Pop would have handed out very differently.

725
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: What's your favorite Gaga album? Obviously? Oh no, not obviously,

726
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: it's Born this Way? Yes, that is the correct answer.

727
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I thought you were gonna say The Fame

728
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: Well or The Fame Monster or whatever. The Fame I mean,

729
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: it's the correct answer that Born this Way is your

730
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: favorite album, and I do think it's her best. It

731
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: is her best album. I really the Fame Monster. Yeah,

732
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: and I agree, The Fame Monster is a very close

733
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: to number two for me, and on some days it

734
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: edges Born this Way out. But I do believe that

735
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: Born this Way is the most cohesive artistic product she's

736
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: ever made, and somewhat to her detriment, because I do

737
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: think that she was riding such a high off of

738
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: her breakout success that she made Born this Way and

739
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: did not really think about how it would be received,

740
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: and she leaned really hard into being kooky weirdo and

741
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: that worked out incredibly in terms of the creative output,

742
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: but it did somewhat I think alienate the people who

743
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: had latched onto her from Bad Romance. Interesting, and then

744
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: when art pop came out, that allowed those people who

745
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: had kind of moved to the fringes to then like

746
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: kind of fully check out.

747
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: Interesting. I've actually never heard it described that way, but

748
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: it does make perfect sense. I honestly, you're such a traditionalist.

749
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: I assumed you were going to say The Fame was

750
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: your favorite album.

751
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

752
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: The thing about ar Pup and Joanne, which were like

753
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: her flop albums following flop quote unquote flop in quotations,

754
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: I would never call them that, but like albums that

755
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: came after Born this way, part of me almost feels

756
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 3: like those albums were also like Gaga wasn't thinking about

757
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 3: the audience to her detriment, you know, Like it doesn't

758
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: neither of those albums like who were those albums? For

759
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: a lot of art Pup is kind of amazing, and

760
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: I think a lot of arpup actually is tried and true.

761
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: O g Gaga, I'm a fucking weirdo, which is kind

762
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: of why I like it, But they do both those

763
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: albums didn't really feel like they were for her fans,

764
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: and so I was like, they must be for you.

765
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the big problem with art pop was it's release.

766
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to rehash or relitigate it.

767
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: I actually wrote a story for Paper magazine a couple

768
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: of years ago called in Defense of art Pops. So

769
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: if you want a more articulate, like comprehensive breakdown of

770
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: why art pop actually is an incredible album and actually

771
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: was very commercially successful, then you can go read that.

772
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: But art pop is one of my favorites. Actually, I

773
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: guess we can do our Gaga album ranking or I'll

774
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: do the official like a Virgin Gaga album rank. I know,

775
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: but I want I want your input, Okay, okay, okay.

776
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: So we're saying number one is born this way? Okay, Yes,

777
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: number two the fame Monster, Yes, number three, yes art

778
00:43:53,160 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: pop mmm mmm okay. What would be number four? The fame?

779
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: Oh really, I disagree. I think the fame should go

780
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 3: above art pop, don't you think. I'm well, I'm okay

781
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: with that, and I'm I'm willing to move it there.

782
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: My brain would also put chromatica over art pop because

783
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: of the cohesion and because of the number of songs

784
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 3: I returned to versus the number of songs I returned

785
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: to on our pop. But I actually do see the

786
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: argument for our pop to be something that's stylistically more

787
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: out there.

788
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: I do think art pop and the Fame are not interchangeable,

789
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: but they're very close, interesting, and I think they kind

790
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: of It kind of depends on the gaga you're going for. Yeah,

791
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: it does, and it can kind of shift from day

792
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: to day. But so after those, then it would be

793
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: chromatica Adica. Then Cheek to Cheek Cheek to Cheek, which

794
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: is definitely better then the Star Is Born soundtrack. Oh

795
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: we're counting that, yeah, because she did produce things, so

796
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: she did it all. Sure, Yeah, and then Joanne dead Last.

797
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: I actually is the Stars Born No, no, no, chee

798
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: chek is better than Starsborne soundtrack?

799
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Wow, that is I signed off, signed,

800
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: co sign done. Yesh. I'm so happy that we agree

801
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: able to agree. Well, there's a little discreption, but like

802
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: we we agree. Okay, Well, do you want to talk

803
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: about favorite songs now? Should should we do favorite songs next?

804
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: Or should we do a top Okay, well, do you

805
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: have like a top five Gaga songs, Top ten Gaga

806
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: song I have top ten.

807
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: They're not in order, but these are just my top

808
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: ten and I can say I can say which one is,

809
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: like jokingly my favorite, and then which one is legitimately

810
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: my favorite, and.

811
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Maybe give us like a not a not I know

812
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 3: you're not giving a ranking, but like there's a few

813
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: at the top. Yeah, I want to hear the ones

814
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: at the top. Okay, so legitimately my favorite. Lady got

815
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: song all the time, and this is not like the joke.

816
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: One that I say, which still is on the list

817
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: is Dance in the Dark.

818
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: Oh oh, okay okay. And then the one that I

819
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: kind of jokingly say is my favorite is a nothing else.

820
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: I can say nothing, but it still slaps. And I

821
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: love the music video where she's on the Vespa. It's

822
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: like iconic Gaga with the hairbo It's like the most

823
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Italian X she's ever been.

824
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: It is I will say my top two as we

825
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: bop around, I will I would definitely say you and

826
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: I is probably I'm pretty gosh darn sure.

827
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: My favorite or second favorite. Muscle cars drove a truck

828
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: right through.

829
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: My heart and I really need you to hold space

830
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: for my other answer, for my other number one favorite, because.

831
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: You know I'm not gonna be happy about it.

832
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: Okay, my other favorite, which I would say easily can

833
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 3: be in the number one spot and I don't. And

834
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: when I say this, I don't think it's Lady Gaga's

835
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: best song, Like critically, it is a song that means

836
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: more to me than the rest of her discographield and

837
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: it is stupid love.

838
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the face rend was just made like

839
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: I told her, like I was coming out to her as,

840
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're having Oh my god, I'm so sorry.

841
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: She looks pained. Oh god, I'm not. I'm not mad.

842
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm just disappointed that I don't know I actually write. Yes,

843
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: I can't describe it. I really don't.

844
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: And let me tell you. I decided this like like

845
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: within a few weeks of the song coming out. But

846
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: then I was like, you know, this is kind of

847
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: a crazy album. Maybe it won't really stick you put

848
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: I put it on like black, like just a few

849
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: days ago, and I was like, oh my got like

850
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: full body like and it just it brings me to

851
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: a specific point in.

852
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: Time, the pandemic. Yes it does.

853
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: I was living alone, I had literally no joy, no

854
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: friends in my life. I had nothing to do and

855
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: you missed that? Yes, no, and then no, it's like

856
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: and stupid love? Was this this like bright light from Heaven?

857
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 3: That just like a complete dopamine boost. And I know

858
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: it's like not like structurally her best song whatever, it

859
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: is one hundred percent my favorite song next to you

860
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: and I.

861
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well I thank you really did hold

862
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: space for that. Thank you? Thank you so the rest

863
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: of my top ten yes, yes, speechless. Also on my

864
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: top ten Summer Boy. Hmmm, I clicked into Summer Boy

865
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: because of you. I feel a lahah and you and

866
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: I okay, Papa Razzi, Oh you're reading these like nominations

867
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: that an awards.

868
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

869
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: Fashion of His Love also a very slept on song.

870
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: We have really queened out together while listening.

871
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: To I will say Fashion of His Love is definitely

872
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: maybe my number two number three spot.

873
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: Venus Venus and Marry the Night, Marry the Night? Is

874
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Mary the Night? On my top?

875
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 7: Is it?

876
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: The others on my top are telephone, government hooker for sure,

877
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: my god, government hooker is no on my list.

878
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: You can't no take backs, no takesies, bacsies, no takes

879
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: these baxies Roses shook.

880
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: Okay, Judas It's number eleven is Judas on yours? Did

881
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: you say that Judas is Judas is definitely on my

882
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: top fashion? Fashion?

883
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm i wanna say and again, not because I think

884
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: it's like one of Gaga's best songs. I'm saying my

885
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: fate went top ten favor writ Gaga song.

886
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: You know she has two songs called fashion. What Yeah,

887
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: there's a song that is was like a a bonus

888
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: track on the Fame or maybe but it was used

889
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: in It's actually in an episode of Ugly Betty. It's

890
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: the episode Bad Amanda where they're where Betty and Amanda

891
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: are doing this the like digital story where they're trying

892
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: to like do stuff without spending money. Oh, I love

893
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: that episode. There's a Gaga song called fashion that goes

894
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: fashion put it all on May. Don't you want to

895
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: see these clothes on Spotify? Or is it like one

896
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: of those Erasis songs. It might not be on Spotify.

897
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: I actually think it's only on YouTube. What yeah?

898
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 2: Wait?

899
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: What where if there is there are there Gaga like

900
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: unrecorded songs? Yeah, like there's lots of them. Wait, can

901
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: you give me a little. Do you know it more

902
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: about that? I actually don't. I mean Brooklyn Knights is

903
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: the most famous one. I mean just Disco Heaven, Oh

904
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: my god, I've never heard what Disco Heaven is like

905
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: a B side. It is on the Fame Monster proper

906
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: and I love Disco Heaven. Yeah, there's a there's a

907
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: bunch of She doesn't have like as much unreleased music

908
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: assay Lona del Ray, but there there's a bit of

909
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: it out there.

910
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, I mean I have heard Christmas Tree well

911
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: that is oh wait, that is on Spotify. Yeah, unfortunately,

912
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: are you finished with your I think Mary the Night

913
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: is also my top I don't know. I think that's

914
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: nine total, but that's all I have.

915
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 1: What's your favorite music video?

916
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: Hmmm, yeah, it's Telephone. It's Telephone. I'm trying to guess yours.

917
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 4: Is it?

918
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. It's a Lejandro.

919
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: Oh, I was gonna because there's a Judas music video, right,

920
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: and I like I was thinking maybe Judas.

921
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be from like Fameer

922
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: Fame Monster. It's Alejandro. I think that is the hottest

923
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: she's ever looked. It's also the skinniest she's ever been

924
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: problematic in my part, but I love when she's like

925
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: riding the models. It's so sexy. I also met her

926
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: the day.

927
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: After the Alejandro video came out, Right, you've told this

928
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 3: story on the pod had a bar. Yeah, so it

929
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: is special, but it is the Gaga era, an aesthetic

930
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 3: that I just connect with the most. So Phoebe wants

931
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: to know, like when we felt the most connected to Gaga.

932
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: So I Gaga came out when I was a Gaga

933
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: like came on the scene when I was a sophomore

934
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: in college, and then my junior year of college, I

935
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: went back to Florida for like six months because of

936
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: like family stuff, and during that time, I felt so

937
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: disconnected from my friends and from New York City, and

938
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I'm back in this

939
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: life that I never wanted to be back in. And

940
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: Gaga like got me through that in a very real way.

941
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: Like I was always watching YouTube videos of her in concert,

942
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: like listening to her music constantly, like wearing crazy like

943
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: inspired looks and.

944
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: Did you did you ever wear like pleasers or something?

945
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: I've worn pleasers before, but no, I mean in your

946
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 3: Gaga area. No, no, no, this was no, this was

947
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: pre like any kind of like gender fuckery at all.

948
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: Okay, how did you how did you give Gaga without gender?

949
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: It was like when she was wearing a lot of

950
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: biker jackets and like denims, you know Born this Way. Yeah,

951
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: so that's Joe Calrone, Joe calderone. Yes. And then when

952
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: I moved back to New York was right around the

953
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: time when Born this Way came out, and so it

954
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: was like, oh, these things are converging. And I was

955
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: living on the Lower East Side where she used to

956
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: hang out all the time, so I felt so connected

957
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: to her.

958
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: I feel I definitely I was living in Chicago at

959
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 3: the time. If I'm thinking about like my most connected

960
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: Gaga moment, I was living in Chicago. I was interning

961
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 3: somewhere in the city, or maybe I was still going

962
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: to school there. I'm not exactly sure, but I just

963
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: remember Born this Way coming out and and me on

964
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: first listen getting some of the songs and not getting

965
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 3: all of it, and then going on runs. I used

966
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 3: to like run every day, and going to runs, and

967
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: then by listening to the album all the way through

968
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: over and over again, I was like, oh my god,

969
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: I get it.

970
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. I think that there's

971
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: something about her story and the kind of her story

972
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 1: that she's like a rich kid from the Upper West Side?

973
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: Is she yeah, Yeah, she's rich. I guess yeah.

974
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: And I feel I feel like for me, like the

975
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: story and the thing that has always through all my

976
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: throughout my life connected me to Gaga over and over

977
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: again is the way she started at dive bars, like

978
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: performing for nobody, like for twenty dollars or whatever, on

979
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: bad microphones, wearing crazy shit. And this quote wherein she

980
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: says something to the effect of, like, you know, before

981
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: I was famous, I would walk into any bar, any

982
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: post office, any restaurant and pretend like I was. I

983
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: would carry myself like a fucking star are until everyone

984
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: else caught up to that. And I so viscerally latched

985
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: onto that mentality. And I don't think I ever, you know,

986
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: lived and breathed that then, but I do.

987
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: I am kind of like that now you are, well,

988
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: I feel similarly like that is the I latched onto that,

989
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: But I think I latched onto a different version of that.

990
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: The thing that I've always seen about seeing of myself

991
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: in her is her naked, try hard ambition. Yes, like, yes,

992
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: is so relatable.

993
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 4: She is so.

994
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: She is so hungry, she cares and she is clearly yes,

995
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: she cares so much, and she is clearly someone who

996
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: was deeply uncool at one point in her life and

997
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: faked it until people thought she was cool. But she's

998
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: still fucking nerds. She's a musical theater kid. Yeah, yeah,

999
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: she is and musical.

1000
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: That's honestly, like tryhard and theater kid are synonyms, like

1001
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 3: they are like actually, like to be a theater kid is.

1002
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 3: To be a tryhard is to care way too much

1003
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: about something that has virtually no stakes. Gaga obviously has

1004
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: really has stakes.

1005
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is another reason why the theater kid

1006
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: thing is actually really not a joke, like she is

1007
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: that Yeah, just look at the whole A star is

1008
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: born erab She wasn't just being an actress. She was

1009
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: performing an actress in a big Hollywood oscar bait movie.

1010
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: She what, and the same way that when Joker comes out,

1011
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: she will be performing a newer version of that. She

1012
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: is always I mean, not as much these days, just

1013
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: because she's like she's fucking tired. I guess at this

1014
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: point she's puts used to put so much effort into

1015
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes of fame, because you know, the

1016
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: beginning of her career was about cause playing being famous.

1017
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: That's literally like the point of the fame she walks

1018
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: in I'm a motherfucking star. Yeah, and that performance has

1019
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, either expanded or contracted or whatever throughout her career.

1020
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: And now I'm just I mean, this is it's so

1021
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: hard for me to talk about God without with thinking

1022
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 1: about where she is now, where she's like laying down

1023
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: on her couch doing spawn for her makeup line and

1024
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: for pharmaceutical brands and the nerd tech and I mean

1025
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: for years, I've been in this place with Gaga. And

1026
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, this is why I butt heads with other

1027
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: little monsters and why I really don't consider myself part

1028
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: of that because I no, I am a little just

1029
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: not a part of the community. Yeah, well, littler monster,

1030
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm a big month her because I have never felt

1031
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: about Gaga that being a fan of her means being

1032
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: uncritical of her. And that's the problem I have with

1033
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: a lot of little monsters and also with stand culture

1034
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: in general. Is is the idea that loving someone means

1035
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: that you accept and celebrate everything that that person does,

1036
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: even when it's bad or lackluster or offensive or whatever.

1037
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: With Gaga, it's like I love her so much that

1038
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: I hold her to the standard that she set. And unfortunately,

1039
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: because of so many things, because of the hip of

1040
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: it all, and like you know, the chronic pain and all,

1041
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: and like the relationships and you know, changing managers and

1042
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: like all the stuff that she's been through. She just

1043
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: is a very different artist than she used to be.

1044
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: But I still hold her to that standard that she set,

1045
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's wrong to do.

1046
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 3: I remember seeing Gaga, I mean, first of all, to

1047
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 3: everything you said, like I do feel like digesting Gaga

1048
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: now is It's just it's all she's doing.

1049
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: Is giving us memes.

1050
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 3: Like she's giving us great memes and great things to

1051
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: joke about on Twitter. It's like Chromatica felt like such

1052
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 3: a relief because there was legitimate art to celebrate in

1053
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: that moment after a long kind of dry point, you

1054
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1055
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: I felt like Chromatica or for me, stupid Love specifically,

1056
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: was this.

1057
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: Like finally we get a Gaga song that I can

1058
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: like bop to again, because I didn't really love the cure.

1059
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: I didn't really like applause. I was not an art

1060
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: pop diva. I was not a Joanne diva. I feel

1061
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: like now retroactively, I've caught on more to our pop,

1062
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 3: but at its release did not like it.

1063
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: But also chromatica. As much as it felt like our return,

1064
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: it also felt likewell or regression. Yeah, it felt like

1065
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: this was probably the last album like that we might

1066
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: get from her. Let's not try to aifess that baby.

1067
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: Let's let's I do.

1068
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: But I would be fine with if she wants to,

1069
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: like have a baby and get fat and do cheek

1070
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 3: to cheek five six, seven and twelve.

1071
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.

1072
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 3: I would love for her to do that. Actually, I

1073
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: would like for her to do something as long as

1074
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: she has like a human life. It doesn't feel like

1075
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: she has like a human life. Like she like she's destroyed, Yes, destroyed,

1076
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: she was destroyed by her level, Like her tweet fame

1077
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 3: is a prisoner whatever, like a stupid tweet, but like

1078
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: she You can tell through all of the commentary and

1079
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 3: all of the art that she specifically has made about fame,

1080
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 3: which sometimes feels like cliche, archetypal bullshit about fame, really

1081
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: is inside of her. She is so deeply traumatized by

1082
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Speaker 3: the experience of being the biggest pop star in the world.

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01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 3: And that sounds like a really stupid thing to like,

1084
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 3: you know, say in defense for order to create sympathy

1085
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 3: for her. But like we as humans actually are not

1086
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: We are not physically we should not be physically able

1087
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: to take on the amount of exposure that it is

1088
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: when you are that level of famous, like psychologically it's

1089
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: very bad for you. Yeah, And you can tell that

1090
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 3: now that she's like sorry, like meded up, like she

1091
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 3: has way way too many drugs in her body.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm worried she's gonna Michael Jackson off this mortal

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: coil that is I'm so yes, that is exactly what

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01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:39,959
Speaker 1: it's giving.

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Speaker 3: It's something worries someome And I really hope that if

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01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: we get to this point where some of these signs

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01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 3: are like more explicit, that we don't do like what

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01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: happened to Brittany or what happened to like these other girls.

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01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: Like I want to protect Gaga. I care about her

1100
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, maybe I should be more

1101
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: charitable and think the sort of lackluster energy she's given

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01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: currently is her way of protecting herself. Probably, but I

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01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: don't know. Just like the energy feels so misplaced, like

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01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: the House Labs of it, all the chromatica oreos, so

1105
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: the weird fake boomerangs and.

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: Oh the boom ranks are so bad. The oreos are unforgivable.

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01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 3: The House Labs, however, you have.

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Speaker 1: Some I did. I showed the other night. I was

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01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: wearing the new House Labs blush and the shade lavender blonde. Okay, Oh,

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01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: I love so happy I could die and I bought it.

1111
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: I bought that shade literally just because of the name,

1112
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: but it is actually a good. Wait wait, so happy

1113
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Speaker 1: I could die? Oh wait, it's it's so happy I

1114
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: could die. The song the lyric, I love that lavender blonde.

1115
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh the color of the blush is the shade is

1116
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: lavender blonde?

1117
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 4: Work?

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01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: Wait what else? So wait you I've seen you wear

1119
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: a lip by House Labs. Yeah, the the lip crans

1120
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: are fine. What's the is it like? Oh? The best?

1121
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: I think the best product they make is their lip oil.

1122
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: I think they're litil I heard. I think their lip

1123
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: oil is the best lip oil on the market period.

1124
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: I oh, better than Amy Coole. I haven't used their

1125
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: lip oil. I always yet targeted instagrams for that ship

1126
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: better than do your better than the Knicks, do your

1127
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: ripoff better than the Fentie, which I think is a

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01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: close second.

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Speaker 3: I know you don't have the wear foundation, but I've

1130
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 3: also heard the House Lives Foundation is excellent.

1131
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: Well, I've heard like various things. Some people say it's

1132
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: really good, some people say it's really bad. Okay, good

1133
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: to know. Also there there eye paints are are okay, Okay,

1134
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm now gonna go get me some blush. But it's

1135
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: powder blush, not cream. But it's almost it's almost powder.

1136
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: It's almost a powder to cream formula.

1137
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 3: Okay, and coming up are sponsored by House Lab segment.

1138
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: I wish she would have taken out out on our podcast.

1139
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 3: I would love for the whole house lap Speed.

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01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: I know that I've met her before and I've seen

1141
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: her several times. I don't ever want to have a

1142
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: conversation with her. Yeah not again, I mean I did,

1143
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: I want. I can't because I've had one really good

1144
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: interaction with her at the time when she was the

1145
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: most important to me, like her peak era, and it

1146
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: was the best kind of interaction. She was like funny,

1147
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: she was a little mean, she was a little bitchy

1148
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: and I was great, And I don't know that I

1149
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: want to meet this Gaga now, even though I was

1150
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: very pissed when I went on a press trip and

1151
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: right you did right and did not get to meet

1152
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: Gaga because I wasn't one of the influencers who.

1153
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: Was there, remember, Well, So that's how I feel about Share.

1154
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: I don't want Share to ruin share for me. Yeah, Gaga,

1155
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 3: I would love to meet. However, I would never want

1156
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 3: to meet her as a fan, like I would never

1157
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: want the dynamic to be like, oh, I'm like walking

1158
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 3: up to her in a public place or like something

1159
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 3: like that. It would need to be like I'm friends

1160
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 3: with one of her friends, or I'm working on something

1161
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 3: that she's working on, or like something like that.

1162
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: And I feel that way.

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01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: About a lot of kind of celebs that I could

1164
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 3: maybe meet, because I don't I hate the conversational dynamic

1165
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 3: of fan and not you know, and the notoriety person.

1166
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think the circumstances are really important

1167
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: with her because she commits fully to the drag of

1168
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: whatever she's doing at the moment. Yeah, so I'm sure

1169
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: like if you met her, like I'm she probably doesn't

1170
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: go out. But like, if you met her in more

1171
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: casual circumstances exactly, she would be doing casual drag. If

1172
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: you met her at like a house labs event, she

1173
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: would be in business woman drag. If you met her

1174
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: like at a meet and greet at a show, she

1175
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: would be doing Gaga drag.

1176
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 3: Gaga is a drag artist, but she's not performing womanhood.

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01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 3: She's performing Gaga.

1178
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah she I yeah.

1179
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 3: I feel that way about a lot of celebs, honestly.

1180
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll never meet Gaga probably, but like I do,

1181
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 3: like if I see like a celeb, like at a

1182
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 3: party or at a bar, or like if I'm or

1183
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 3: at like a red carpet event or whatever, like, I

1184
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 3: don't want to.

1185
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to walk out to them and.

1186
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 3: Say hi, I'm blah blah blah, because I'd much rather

1187
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: wait for a maybe possible, potential moment where our paths

1188
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 3: intersect in an organic way where we feel more like peers.

1189
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: But sometimes you just got to go for it. No,

1190
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: because might not have another chance.

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01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 3: No, never, I don't. That's the thing is, I don't

1192
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 3: want to meet them. I don't want to eat It's

1193
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 3: either I meet them in that context, or I don't

1194
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 3: want to meet them at all because and that sounds

1195
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 3: like kind of egoistical, but like, look, I've worked very hard,

1196
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 3: Like I'm in a lot of cool celebrity circles sometimes,

1197
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: and yeah, I don't want to walk up and say hi,

1198
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 3: I want to wait till i'm there peer.

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01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: I'll never be Gaga's peer. You'll never be I'll never

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: be anything close to that. But you know, you'll just

1201
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: be some fag. Yeah, I'll just be some fag. I

1202
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: told you she didn't have a dick. Wait, wait, wait,

1203
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: we need to talk about that. Oh about how everyone

1204
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: thought she was trans.

1205
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this is crazy. This is actually like like

1206
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 3: a massive cultural massive cock. A massive yes, a massive

1207
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 3: she cock, a massive cultural scandal, a massive she is

1208
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,879
Speaker 3: a massive shen take.

1209
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: Off to the planet, to the planet. I it was a.

1210
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 3: Massive cultural scandal that took over news cycles. I heard

1211
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 3: about it as a kid and so like, and yet

1212
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 3: it's like kind of like never, it kind of never happened.

1213
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 3: It's wild that that was such a thing. Like it

1214
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 3: was not the same as when we all said Sierra

1215
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 3: had a dick, or when we said Jamie Lee Curtis

1216
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 3: had a dick, when Gaga had it, Sigourney Weaver that

1217
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 3: we thought had to dick. No Jamie as well. Oh,

1218
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 3: Sigourney Weaver maybe has no.

1219
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.

1220
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 3: These are all rivers. But like when everyone was saying

1221
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 3: Goga has it, God, it was like what. And then

1222
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 3: she in that interview with Anderson Cooper when he was like, so,

1223
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 3: people say you have a dick and She's like, yeah,

1224
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 3: which obviously like part of it is shocked that it

1225
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 3: like something like that feels like shock value, great pr

1226
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 3: and she's smart. She was on the cusp of fame.

1227
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 3: She was like, let me write it without saying transphobic shit.

1228
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 3: And he was like, so, do you have more to

1229
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 3: say about it? And she was like what if I did, Like,

1230
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 3: would it be so bad?

1231
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: Her early interviews are so so phenomenal, iconic, like around

1232
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: Born this Way, There's one where this woman asks her

1233
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: what's the one thing in the world she wants to

1234
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: the one experience of the world she wants to have

1235
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: the most and she just goes, dah, yes, yes, yes,

1236
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: it's very you, it is very me.

1237
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1238
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 3: All of her Honestly, interview, Gaga is the Gaga an

1239
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: early interview. Gaga, thank you for that clarification is actually

1240
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 3: the thing that I'll remember forever and why I'll always

1241
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 3: love her.

1242
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: That's maybe the one circumstance in which I would want

1243
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: to like interact with her now interview is if I

1244
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: got to do like a proper like profile or like

1245
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: on camera moment, because she would be in full drag

1246
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: for that experience and I would get a really good

1247
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: version of her. Yeah, because she I think the thing

1248
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: now is that she keeps it so turned off all

1249
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: the time, so that in the moments when she has

1250
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: to turn it on, it can be at one hundred

1251
01:10:58,920 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 1: thousand percent.

1252
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 4: Hmmm.

1253
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: I love I mean I do love her and I

1254
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: will I will always love her more than anyone else period.

1255
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: I mean, he's my girl.

1256
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 3: Gaga is your diva, Beyonce, she Gaga's my number two easily,

1257
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 3: and they hold completely different spaces.

1258
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: Gaga has made me cry so many times. The first

1259
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 1: time I saw Starsborn, I sobbed my way through it,

1260
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: and I honestly was convinced it was going to win

1261
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: Best Picture of the Oscars. And then the second time

1262
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: I saw it, I was like, Okay, no, I do

1263
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: kind of want to rewatch it. It's been a while

1264
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: since I saw it. I mean, it's a bad movie,

1265
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: but she's very compelling in it.

1266
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 3: She's amazing. I don't think it's a bad movie. I

1267
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 3: think that the last third is bad, and I think

1268
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: the rest of the movie is amazing. It's a movie

1269
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 3: that feels.

1270
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 4: Like a movie.

1271
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 3: You're my boyfriend, I mean my husband. You're looking You're

1272
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 3: so fucking ugly. You could never be my fucking dad.

1273
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: You never be my fucking dad.

1274
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm moortown. You got your fucking body, fucking body, you're

1275
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: so fucking so fucking hey, some of your come here

1276
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: and what that fucking makeup ass? Fuck your She go right, okay,

1277
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: slid into our dms at like a Virgin four twenty

1278
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: sixty nine And let us know what's your favorite Gaga song?

1279
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Speaker 4: Gaga album? Do you think Lady Gaga killed Lena MORGANA?

1280
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: Do you think she has a dick still?

1281
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 4: She does?

1282
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: And next week make sure to tune in for an

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Speaker 1: episode all about chain restaurants.

1284
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 4: Yes, we are saying it all.

1285
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: When it comes to the cheesecake Factory, Olive Garden, Chilis,

1286
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: et cetera, et.

1287
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 3: Cetera, you would think that I would have chimed in there,

1288
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: but you know, we have so many restaurants that we

1289
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 3: went through its honestly cantors, they could not be counted

1290
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1291
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Speaker 1: dot com slash like a Virgin? Divas? Who are they?

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Speaker 1: What do they do? What do we do in relation

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Speaker 1: to them? Divas leave us with so many questions? Was

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Speaker 1: this written by chat GBT? Yeah? All of our banter

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Speaker 1: was written by chat GBT. Everything we say on the

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Speaker 1: podcast is written by chat GPT. But you know who

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Speaker 1: isn't written by a chat gpt? Who either of our

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Speaker 1: next guests. That's right, let's bring them out. Let's right,

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Speaker 1: bring them out right now? Please welcome to the stage.

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Speaker 1: Hi Pluton and Joel Kim Booster.

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Speaker 4: Started.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. We're so tangled in wires and web cheer.

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Speaker 1: It's like a polycule. Oh my god, we are a

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Speaker 1: polycule now. Oh yay, Happy pride, Happy Pride. I didn't

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Speaker 1: get to that chapter of polysecure yet, but are you

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Speaker 1: all ready to play a game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 5: I'll in full disclosure, I did smoke a joint before

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Speaker 5: getting here. Because oh we love that, because I don't

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Speaker 5: respect you.

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Speaker 3: No, no, babe, babe, the feeling is absolutely mutual, Diva.

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Speaker 2: But no, I'm really I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: I feel free, I feel ready to talk.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, because we're going to play a game of Diva,

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Speaker 3: which like does not have much to do with the

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Speaker 3: actual game, but it was a fun name, so it was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we are going to ask producer Phoebe to

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Speaker 1: be the voice of God and ask us a series

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Speaker 1: of questions and we're going to answer honestly from the heart.

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Speaker 6: Okay, from the heart and the whole and the whole.

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Speaker 1: Hearts and wholes, the dichotomy. Yes, Okay, give us the

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Speaker 1: first question.

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Speaker 6: The first question is what diva do you want to

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Speaker 6: sing at your wedding? She will also sing in the

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Speaker 6: hotel room on your wedding night as you're making love,

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Speaker 6: and we'll be cooking you breakfast the next morning. This

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Speaker 6: is a multiple choice question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what are the choices?

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Speaker 6: The choices are A Megan Trainer, do you two trainers

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Speaker 6: make some noise?

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Speaker 1: You two trainers?

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Speaker 6: B Kelly Clarkson see Carrie Underwood. D Rita Aura or like.

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Speaker 1: Other Rita Aur is kind of the other of the

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Speaker 1: pop world. What do y'all think?

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Speaker 7: Okay, okay, my other would be I don't know why

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Speaker 7: this I came to be so quickly, and even though

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Speaker 7: she isn't a singer, she is a diva. But what's

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Speaker 7: in what's her name?

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 4: From from.

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Speaker 7: Getting as I had half an ipay and feeling crazy,

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Speaker 7: she's bisexual and wait, Carroen, Carol Basket, Carol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not realize she was a by icon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a BiCon.

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Speaker 7: My issue with this question and I will answer, but

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Speaker 7: like not to have oppositional defiance disorder, is that I

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Speaker 7: don't really know the catalog well enough from any of

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Speaker 7: those women, like as a transgender male bisexual entity. So

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Speaker 7: I will choose Megan Trainer because I would hope that

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Speaker 7: her plus one would be the little twunk from Spy Kids.

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Speaker 1: Who's your husband? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Who she poops next to? Yeah, that's my answer.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I would like to apologize. I'm still

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Speaker 5: reeling from the fact that you said the word bisexual

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Speaker 5: and my first thought was Tila Tequila.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to the bisexual community. I feel really bad about

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Speaker 2: that my other.

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Speaker 5: If my other would be I think somebody who encompasses

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Speaker 5: a lot of different vibes in that sizza.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know if you can be such

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Speaker 1: a sad wedding night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got Sexy One.

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Speaker 2: It's a sexy one. I fucked that album all the time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I definitely love fucking and says it's like

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Speaker 1: I have pimples. It's really hot.

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Speaker 5: But I guess if I had to choose one of

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Speaker 5: those ladies, I'd be spending a lot of time with them.

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Speaker 5: And I do think Kelly Clarkson can hang.

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Speaker 1: I do think so Kelly Clarkson will be singing in

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Speaker 1: the hotel room.

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Speaker 2: With you as you It's gonna be rough, and I.

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Speaker 1: I will be.

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Speaker 5: I guess I I'm gonna have to do side behavior

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Speaker 5: the whole time because I just can't imagine Kelly seeing

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Speaker 5: anal I can.

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Speaker 1: I think she's seen a lot of anal Actually, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, Next question?

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Speaker 6: Next question, question is who would you trust to drive

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Speaker 6: you home from top surgery? Caitlyn Jenner or Chris Jenner.

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Speaker 1: Oh if the answer kind of OBVIU.

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Speaker 7: Okay, honestly, it's only hey. My answer is is site specific.

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Speaker 7: I live in New York City and so therefore it's Caitlin, Use,

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Speaker 7: I don't think aggressive driving. Yeah, I don't think that,

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Speaker 7: Chris Jenner. There's too many like like, I need someone

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Speaker 7: who's on uppers, not downers, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 7: And Chris is so fucking barred out all the time.

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Speaker 7: You can't drive you home from Midtown where I got

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Speaker 7: my top surgery, and like an escalade like we will die,

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Speaker 7: But didn't Kaitlyn kill someone in the car?

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Speaker 1: Oh, your answer has been sealed. You can't take it back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean then it's definitely Caitlyn.

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Speaker 4: The answer sands you know who.

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Speaker 1: Drove you home after your top surgery?

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Speaker 2: But yes, me plans, plants.

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Speaker 1: You're like, I'm too high to process this question.

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Speaker 5: No, I think like I'm thinking about who would ask

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Speaker 5: the least annoying questions on the way home about what

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Speaker 5: it is to be someone? Would you know that of

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Speaker 5: trans experience? And I actually think Chris would be less annoying.

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Speaker 1: Than a solid answer, and she would already have plans

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Speaker 1: about how to monetize it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Wait can I say a non secutor?

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Speaker 7: Of course, only because I had half of an I

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Speaker 7: p a yes, because we told her like Kelly Clarkson, anal.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm like Simon Cowell.

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Speaker 7: And thinking about how growing up we were all really

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01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 7: like mesmerized by his nipples. I want the Simon Cowell

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Speaker 7: peck implant, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, universal healthcare, thank you, and kay, we'll drive

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Speaker 3: you home.

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01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 6: Next question, if you were in the Titanic submersible, heard

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Speaker 6: of it, what is the last diva anthem you'd stream

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01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 6: on Spotify before it imploded?

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01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: No choices, you have to come up from scratch.

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Speaker 7: Hey, let me start by saying that I thought all

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01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 7: of I thought submersible was an inside joke in a way.

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01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 7: I didn't know it was actually a noun that we're

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Speaker 7: all calling it like instead of summarine, like the submersible.

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Speaker 1: I was like, gay people are so.

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Speaker 7: Funny, but it is noun. Last diva anthem? Oh, definitely,

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Speaker 7: Britney spears. Wisom till the world ends? Oh it would

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01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 7: be till the world ends Britney spears. And that's a

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Speaker 7: gay guy answer.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. I honestly, my first song was married j Blanche.

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01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: I'm going down? Is that too obvious?

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01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 7: No?

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01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 4: It works.

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01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I already know your answer, Rose, which

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Speaker 1: would be the Nanny theme song. It would be the

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Speaker 1: yeah you know me so well.

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01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 5: Another question, Sorry, no, I know, Joel, listen, it's not funny.

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01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 5: It's just my favorite song in the whole world.

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Speaker 2: And that's Diana.

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Speaker 5: Ross's the boss, and in many ways it was the

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01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 5: boss's fault that that all happened in the first place.

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01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: That's very true. Okay, next question.

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Speaker 6: If you were trapped in the woods like the Lesbians

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01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 6: and Yellow Jackets, which of these divas would you you

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01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 6: most want to cannibalize A Laana del Rey, the Florence

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01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 6: Welch see Lord de Gloria Stefan.

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01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 1: Gloria would be delicious exactly.

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01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 7: The answer has to be Lana because obviously it's like,

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01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 7: if we can just just safely assume that the human

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Speaker 7: flesh tastes like what the human was eating, I want

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Speaker 7: Lana flesh, you know, I want like parliaments, chili, cheese,

1473
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 7: dog elf bar. Yeah, I want like combos like gas

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01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:38,480
Speaker 7: station snacks.

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01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: That would be good.

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01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 7: And then like Florence Welch, it would just be like

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01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 7: Spirulina and like Lilax.

1478
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 5: Like well, and if there's somebody that you want a

1479
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 5: round in the woods, it's Florence welch okay, like it

1480
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 5: feels like a natural habitat for her. I think it's

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01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 5: got to be Lana because of the whole hopex boyfriend.

1482
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 5: I feel like she probably internalized a lot of politics

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01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 5: and I don't want to be around it.

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01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 1: I support that, and I do think she would taste delicious.

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01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, pussy tastes like whatever, Cherry Coler or whatever.

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01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, there's no way it tastes like cherry Colon. No,

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01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: it really, I know experience it tastes like Cherry Cole.

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01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 7: I think it tastes it's I think her pussy is

1489
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 7: like carbonated, like.

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01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 4: CrOx.

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01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Okay, next question if sorry god.

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01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 6: Okay, if you were Lily rose Deep in the idol,

1493
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 6: which pop star would you want to play? The cult leader?

1494
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 4: Who fucks you?

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01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 6: There's only two choices.

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01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 1: Because we couldn't think of any male diva.

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01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 6: There's two Elton John or Rue Paul and and if

1498
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,759
Speaker 6: you can think of another male diva, please use this time.

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01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 1: To share with us who that is.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of a stretch, but I would like it.

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Speaker 2: Adam Lambert count.

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01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 3: I actually say absolutely mono cultural in the moment, Adam Lambert.

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01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: But I mean, I've never listened to this Tom Jones.

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01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 7: Count Can you imagine getting top and you're like, what's new,

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01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 7: pussy cat?

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01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: Whoa?

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01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 4: Whoa?

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01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: He absolutely counts. So would you Jones? So would you

1509
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 1: want to have sex with Bob Joan, Adam Lambert, Bob

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Speaker 1: the Bible College Founder? I obviously Adam Lambert, Rue Paul

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Speaker 1: or Elton John.

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Speaker 7: I think Elton John of the two original ones, knows

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Speaker 7: how to have sex better.

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Speaker 1: I think that Rue Paul has sex like a clone simulation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, where it's like he knows what it's like because

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01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 7: he lived through the seventies and the eighties.

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Speaker 1: But now it's just like having sex with a really

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01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: sad mirage.

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Speaker 7: And we saw those pictures of Elison John on that boat,

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Speaker 7: you know what, He's in the jumpsuit and his little dick,

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01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 7: you know talking about he's in a romper, so he's.

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Speaker 4: A party it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's where the show will take place on

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01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: the boat on the boat the Idle season two, Lost

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Speaker 1: at Sea, and the stays on during sex.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I think we can go to the next.

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Speaker 6: Question, which is which diva should star in the next

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01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 6: remake of a star is born. The options are A.

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Speaker 6: Tyra Banks, B Kim Petres See Rosalia and de Gaga

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01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 6: again but in Drag as Joe Calderome.

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01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 4: Now we're cooking with fire.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I can never quite twell where we stand with her,

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Speaker 5: But I do you think Rosalia? I saw her Coachella

1536
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 5: said it was quite wonderful, and I think it would

1537
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 5: be really interesting to see another white person.

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01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: Doing that role. The role so important, it is a

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Speaker 1: culturally white object.

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Speaker 7: I want Tyra Banks, but she plays both parts, yes,

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01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 7: because that's what That's what the rewriter right, because there's

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01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 7: no way I want her as Bradley Cooper and a's

1543
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 7: Lady Gaga like, and that's what I want.

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01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Final answer, Okay, where Galaxy Brain? I'm astream more. Yeah,

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01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 1: I think we are at our final question for me.

1546
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 1: More take it away, just one more?

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01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 6: All right, here's the last question. You have been cast

1548
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Speaker 6: as a series regular in the next season of and

1549
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 6: just like that, as one of the many rotating diversity

1550
01:27:53,400 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 6: quota characters, filling in the place of Samantha Jones. What

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01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 6: is your character's name and profession?

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01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I've thought about this for a long time.

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Speaker 4: You auditioned for this.

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01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I think my character would be Lily's birth father,

1556
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 5: a gay, a gay sperm bank dude, and of course

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01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 5: his name would be something.

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01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 2: Awful like Satchel Kim.

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01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 4: Cho Chang.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, and I think he would you know, they're

1561
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 5: they're trying to subtly replace all of them together. I

1562
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Speaker 5: think he would sort of be the replacement for Stanford

1563
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 5: in some ways, and they would be would really butt

1564
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 5: heads with Anthony because Anthony would be like.

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Speaker 4: I think siss is a slur or something.

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01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: You know it is, So I love that and I

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01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch you on the show.

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01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 4: Hi, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I have I have one And this

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Speaker 1: I was just spitballing. So my character would be called

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Speaker 1: Amanda Chimalley, and I think she like works in marketing

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01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I would be like Jay Diaza's like non binary sidekick,

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01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 7: and my name would be like Triangle, and they would

1575
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,879
Speaker 7: force me to get a side shave that matches Shay's.

1576
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 7: And then I think we would just like do buddy

1577
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 7: comedies where we like smoke.

1578
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Speaker 4: Weed backwards or something.

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Speaker 3: I would just be some kind of series regular and

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Speaker 3: x Y and me Chad AS's TV show, and I

1581
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,480
Speaker 3: feel like my name would probably be like Gabrielle, Garcia

1582
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 3: Rodriguez or something.

1583
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see all of you on season three of them,

1584
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: just like that, unless it gets canceled. And please give

1585
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Speaker 1: a big run of applause to our amazing chandelists. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Oh my god, this is what

1587
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Speaker 1: Joel's gonna hear on his wedding night as he's making

1588
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:30,719
Speaker 1: the Sweet Tender Love so beautiful, say the EU in Judas.

1589
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 1: The You is better than the Beatles' entire discography. And

1590
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 1: that's a fact. Government Hooker should have been played at

1591
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: the inauguration and we haven't talked about that enough as

1592
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Speaker 1: a society. Oh wait, these are all tweets. Fuck you Rose,

1593
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Speaker 1: fuck you keep that Phoebe