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Speaker 1: You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Montclair name Judy Dench is not just a national and

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Speaker 1: international treasure, She's an interplanetary treasure if there is life

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Speaker 1: on Mars. They're talking about her most recent performance. Judy

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Speaker 1: is a woman of warmth, a woman of wit. A

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Speaker 1: hadn't seen the royal family, Judy replied, tell me when

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Speaker 1: you're coming, and I'll be sure to overact for you.

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Speaker 1: After record this conversation, Judy's having lunch in the river Cafe.

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Speaker 1: We are planning to definitely overcook for this woman, a

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Speaker 2: On the mains while we've got these beautiful, really sweet

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Speaker 2: grapes at the moment which passed so well with the grouse.

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Speaker 1: And there's turbot and sea bears, oh my worm monsterish

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Speaker 1: you can have everything. We have had people come and

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Speaker 3: The and did they stay for a month or per

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, for a month. Yeah. I always say a

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Speaker 1: recipe is half science and half poetry, and so we're

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, I would love to have read a recipe,

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Speaker 3: that later. But you are talking to the worst cookie

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Speaker 3: in Britain. And I think it wasn't a sonnet about food.

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Speaker 3: But I just know this one poem, but it's Hilaire Belloc,

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Speaker 3: and it's about.

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Speaker 1: Henry King, Henry King, Henry King.

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Speaker 3: Here he goes. The chief defect of Henry King was

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Speaker 3: that tied itself in ugly knots inside. Physicians of the

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Speaker 3: they answered, as they took their fees, there is no

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Speaker 3: cure for this disease. Henry will very soon be dead.

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Speaker 3: His parents stood about his bed, lamenting his untimely death.

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Speaker 3: When Henry cried with latest breath, Oh, my friends, be

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Speaker 3: warned by me that breakfast, dinner, lunch and tea are

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Speaker 3: all the human frame requires. With that, the wretched child expires.

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Speaker 1: The wretched child. So as he make of this poem, Well,

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Speaker 1: he was quite a lectural Bellock, wasn't he. He liked

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Speaker 1: to tell everyone what to do, and children how to

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Speaker 3: It's rather sad. He was rather grim.

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Speaker 1: I think that Bellock, well, it's you know, there's a message, right,

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Speaker 1: don't snack? Is that the message? Or you might don't snack?

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Speaker 1: What was it like growing up? You grew up in Yorkshire?

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Speaker 3: I did. I was born in York. My brothers were

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Speaker 3: and that way we had we always had food and things.

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Speaker 3: And that's also where we had sixteen cats, because there

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Speaker 3: Put them out, But they all came round to our place.

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Speaker 3: It was a triumph.

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Speaker 1: And who would cook the food? Would your mother? Would

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Speaker 1: Or how many you have siblings? Who did?

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Speaker 3: Two brothers, two brothers older than me? But and we

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Speaker 1: What was it like the meal time at your house?

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Speaker 1: So when you think of your early meals, you think

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Speaker 3: I think only of family meals round the table, and

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Speaker 1: Who would cook.

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Speaker 3: My mom would cook, or we had a wonderful person

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Speaker 1: What did she cook? As your actually has a very

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Speaker 1: I don't remember remember that we were in red really lucky,

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Speaker 3: He was in Arras and then because of a knee

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Speaker 3: He was not at Passiondale was just fantastically well lucky

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Speaker 3: Know, it was an extraordinary thing. And I knew, I

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Speaker 1: Which was And do you think that Do you think

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Speaker 3: No, my father there was an amateur group in New

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Speaker 3: wonderful seamstress and could make costumes and things like that.

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Speaker 3: Then when it came to the mystery plays, the miracle plays,

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Speaker 3: of us were auditioned by Martin Brown. I were to

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Speaker 3: we made angels, we were, We had a wonderful time,

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Speaker 1: You remember the first auditions that would have been what

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Speaker 3: It wasn't really an audition they just came and said you, you, you, you,

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Speaker 1: And when did you know that that's what you wanted

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Speaker 3: What I wanted to do, not ages, not for not

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Speaker 3: stage design, stage designer. But I was taken to Stratford

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Speaker 3: I can remember seeing this set which completely changed my idea.

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Speaker 3: for Lear at Stratford, it was the most phenomenal set

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Speaker 1: When you went on these theatrical journeys with your parents,

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Speaker 1: New York. Would you go to a restaurant before or after?

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Speaker 1: Was that part of the evening? Was that part of

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Speaker 3: It was partly, but probably we always in a rush,

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Speaker 1: This would be post war, this would be that.

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Speaker 1: To a restaurant simply wonderful.

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Speaker 3: It's called the bid we It was wonderful. It was

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Speaker 1: And so what are the dishes of your childhood that

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Speaker 1: So it was a dessert, or they served the treacle

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Speaker 3: It's so disgusting. But it was always on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: And I used to feign illness on a Tuesday and

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Speaker 3: on about the third or fourth Tuesday, my ma said,

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Speaker 3: with illness. And it was the Yorkshire pudding with a tree.

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Speaker 3: The school was that was at my prep school.

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Speaker 1: But that's food was important to you.

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Speaker 1: grand cuisine or to cooking, it seems so unfair to

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Speaker 1: So I feel it must have been very tough.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was. It was just a question of giving

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Speaker 3: you something that filled you, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But also I mean, I love the idea of

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Speaker 1: your mother cooking a goose, or cooking duck, or cooking

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Speaker 1: the food that was getting We.

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Speaker 3: Grew on vegetables. We grew the vegetables in the garden

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Speaker 3: and next door it was the most wonderful pear tree.

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Speaker 3: And my brother and I, Jeff, the younger of my jib,

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Speaker 3: used to get a rake and rake the pears off

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Speaker 1: What would you do? What would you was illegal? Was it?

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Speaker 1: Because it wasn't your tree tree? Okay? There? What would

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Speaker 1: I don't think were you ever hungry as a student?

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Speaker 1: You need to tell me about you you're in a play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know why you way have the same script,

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Speaker 1: even fewer, maybe eighty or sixty, and it was quite overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: And remember that.

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Speaker 3: I do remember walking down the stairs and George Fenton

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Speaker 3: playing the piano.

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Speaker 1: George Fenton.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember what I sang.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I found the invitation and the title of

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Speaker 1: the evening was These Foolish Things, Yes, And I was

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Speaker 1: wondering if you're saying that, I think I know that song.

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Speaker 3: I do the lipstreak the remind me of you. But

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Speaker 3: I sang something else and I can't remember, because I

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Speaker 3: remember hosting it a lot at box with George.

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Speaker 1: I did do yeah, yeah, And we did some singing

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Speaker 1: with Richard Aire. Do you remember used to sing And

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Speaker 1: one night we got a piano and we sang around

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Speaker 1: the piano and it was It's something. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the great things to do in life, isn't it all?

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Speaker 3: Singing around a piano.

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Speaker 1: Ye, should we do that? We should really really love

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Speaker 1: let's do it. I have a piano in my house.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: You have a night and have something that is organize

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Speaker 1: really lovely. What is the play when you said you

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Speaker 1: had to cook on your onstage?

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Speaker 3: Do you know when the paycock? Oh, it's wonderful play.

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Speaker 1: I know the play. But I was one where I had.

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Speaker 3: To cook for Norman rod Away. She cooks a sausage

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Speaker 3: for him to eat, and she hafter awhile people say,

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Speaker 3: you know he's eating that sausage and it's not cooked.

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Speaker 3: It's simply there isn't time for her to cook that sausage.

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Speaker 1: So you actually put a raw sausage in a frying pan?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Oh, yes, so then we pre cooked the sausage.

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Speaker 3: Well we're cheating a bit here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Is that the only play where you've actually cooked one?

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Speaker 3: Probably?

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Speaker 1: We've talked about theater? What about film sets? What about bond?

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Speaker 1: Were They.

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Speaker 3: Never sent me anywhere? Kept me in a little room

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Speaker 3: at the back. And I once said to Barbara and Michael,

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Speaker 3: I said, you know, you go to such glamorous places,

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Speaker 3: and all I am I'm in that office at the

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Speaker 3: back all the time. So the next time. The next

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Speaker 3: film we made, I can't remember which one it was.

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Speaker 3: We were at Stowe's School and they gave me a

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Speaker 3: trailer my makeup and everything, which had Innsbruck written across

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Speaker 3: the side, and Barbara's it to me, you can never

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Speaker 3: complain again every day you're going to every day to Innsbrook.

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Speaker 3: How did you get to Panama?

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Speaker 1: Panama? Which one that was? Do you know it's bond

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Speaker 1: take place in Panama? I remember there was.

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Speaker 3: I did eight of them because specter I just did

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Speaker 3: a morning which was just me giving him the message

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Speaker 3: on the television or on his machine. So I can't

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Speaker 3: remember which one it was.

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Speaker 1: What about did you ever do you ever remember being

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Speaker 1: on a set where you ate, well.

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Speaker 3: They gave you something you don't kind of in a

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Speaker 3: way feel like, yeah, you know afterwards it's quite a different.

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Speaker 1: Directors don't like stopping for lunch. If you talk to

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Speaker 1: people who have made independent movies or small movies, they

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Speaker 1: always say that stopping for lunch stops the kind of process.

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Speaker 3: And you know, even in the manud of any kind

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Speaker 3: of rehearsal, it's not the treaties to know you're going

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Speaker 3: in the evening something that's the greatest treat to look forward.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The question that I ask everyone is the food is

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Speaker 1: what we need to sustain our and food is what

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Speaker 1: we cook when we want to impress someone or share.

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Speaker 1: It's also something we find comfort in food. And so

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Speaker 1: named Judy Dench, what is your comfort food?

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Speaker 3: Comfort food mashed potato and some really good gravy. Onion,

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Speaker 3: gravy and mashed potato. I quite like that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's been a wonderful time with you and

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Speaker 1: now we'll go have some lunch in the River Cafe.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table for in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Montclair