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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is wicked to be done.

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Speaker 2: Done only.

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Speaker 1: One of the Chris Wesling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dan Ansis and yes I am joined by some

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Speaker 3: wikily delented people, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal and yes, Colleen

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Speaker 3: will back in the building.

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Speaker 4: Yo, Well what's up?

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Speaker 5: And that's if you don't know what the reference that's

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Speaker 5: a tell on you not listening to every single episode

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Speaker 5: that we.

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Speaker 2: Produce exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: You don't get the explanation because you were not loyal

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Speaker 1: to the brand.

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Speaker 2: It's on you.

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Speaker 6: I always a good different vibe here when Colleen's here,

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Speaker 6: just worse right, lighter?

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Speaker 2: No, oh here, darker, yes, more mathematical. Turn this up

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Speaker 2: in my headphones. Oh yeah. It reminds me of driving.

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Speaker 1: In high school and my buddy Jim Dreavis is big

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Speaker 1: white think it was like a Ford Explorer and he

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Speaker 1: had the giant sub offers and the bass was kicking

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Speaker 1: so hard on those subs subs thank you. It was

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Speaker 1: kicking so hard that you just couldn't even hear the song.

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Speaker 1: And like I was, you know, I was young at

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Speaker 1: the time, so it wasn't like these kids are out

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Speaker 1: of touch. It was like, how come I kim here?

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Speaker 2: All here is?

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Speaker 1: But that was like the whole goal of the SUBS world,

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Speaker 1: which Colleen, I know you've you know very well.

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Speaker 4: Subs in am was the goal not to hear the

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Speaker 4: song but only the bass exploding. The goal was for

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Speaker 4: everyone else to hear you before you got there.

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Speaker 5: I think you need to roll into NFL Networks, you know,

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Speaker 5: immense parking garage which doubles a sofa a sofi. If

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Speaker 5: you're rich, you can go park and go to Sofi too,

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Speaker 5: But like just rolling with that song blasting or maybe

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Speaker 1: It was like smash cut to me driving my ninety

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Speaker 2: I'm like a little too heavy.

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Speaker 7: For met office spaced rip.

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Speaker 6: Everyone that worked in the car stereo industry like it

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Speaker 6: was the nineties, it's just.

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Speaker 4: Not so you take the front off of the oh

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Speaker 7: Whole that's a whole issue with that.

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Speaker 6: I didn't want to pay my brother club stereo system

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Speaker 7: I was like, I'm not paying for that.

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Speaker 1: I would say, the only thing I was like Greg's

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Speaker 1: tough Tough luck story for Heart Scrabble. For me, the

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Speaker 1: big expense was the CD player with anti skip technology,

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Speaker 2: That was the height of my tech in my car. Wow,

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Speaker 2: you had that right.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 4: I had a car that was a I think it

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's all worked.

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Speaker 5: The worst thing. Yeah, but the worst thing that ever

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Speaker 4: It's a good core workout.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Today's show.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff.

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Speaker 7: Dan's like, why did you tell that story?

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Speaker 7: I enjoyed it, okay, good And I also enjoyed this

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Speaker 5: You give me a certain looks I thought, maybe looks good.

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Speaker 7: Raise it from the edit.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk today's show. We are going to previewoo. We

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Speaker 1: got some interesting Island games. We're going to hit him

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Speaker 1: on the back end of the show. We're also going

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Speaker 1: to check in with our early season predictions preseason predictions,

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Speaker 1: what we are going to change. And that could be

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Speaker 1: a difficult and humbling exercise. I'm looking forward to seeing

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Speaker 1: that original NFL document in NFL dot com document from

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Speaker 1: I believe August thirtieth. And we're also going to have

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Speaker 1: a meeting on the nominees for the team of around

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Speaker 1: the NFL, which incredibly a conversation that sprang back to

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Speaker 1: life in a very interesting Sunday in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But first I want to ask you guys.

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Speaker 1: We are entering week ten, this is the halfway point

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Speaker 1: of the season, Greg, what is the biggest single surprise

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Speaker 1: to you of the season so far.

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Speaker 6: This was hard to think about and I realized after

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Speaker 6: going through it, and this is not a cop out,

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Speaker 6: the biggest surprise is how chalk everything is. There's no

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Speaker 6: there's no surprises like the NFL. I always say before

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Speaker 6: the season, no matter like what scenario you could come

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Speaker 6: up with, it will be more unpredictable than the most

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Speaker 6: like surprising predictions. So you might as well go wild

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Speaker 6: with your predictions before the season if you want. It

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Speaker 6: won't be But this season like it's chock. There's basically

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Speaker 6: every team that before the season was a consensus like

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Speaker 6: contender more or less, they're all contenders. The standings almost

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Speaker 6: in every division. If you showed them before Week one started,

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Speaker 6: you would look at all of them and say, okay,

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Speaker 6: that's about right like like And that's to me very

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Speaker 6: surprising from the NFL. There's different ways we got there.

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Speaker 6: There's maybe some little exceptions here or there. But it's

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Speaker 6: kind of like the NFL is playing two according.

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Speaker 1: To us, which is either either means the best is

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Speaker 1: yet to come and it's gonna be a wild second

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Speaker 7: Well, I would it's just like parodies.

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Speaker 6: There is a lot of parody because everyone's got two

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Speaker 5: It's been a little I don't know, like back in

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Speaker 5: the this is a this doesn't even resonate when you

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Speaker 5: I will. I have another story about my car when

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Speaker 5: you know, eighties nineties, Like the NFL had the same

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Speaker 5: you're driving in the eighties. Uh no, I was like,

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Speaker 5: I was in a car. I was in that car

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Speaker 2: I was there.

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Speaker 7: That's great, thank you. It was the same eight or

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Speaker 7: Looks good for us.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have a biggest surprise I do.

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Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a right turn from

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Speaker 5: all right, well, then sit on that one, how about you.

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Speaker 4: I am really surprised by all the defenses in the

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Speaker 4: something that I thought would happen, especially last year, because

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Speaker 5: That's like their identity. And i'd say, like a team

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Speaker 6: That's that's a league wide trend that you're right that

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Speaker 6: is the biggest price that like defenses have fired back

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Speaker 4: And there's so many quarterbacks that are hurt right now too,

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Speaker 5: They're like propping up offenses off Yeah, but like the

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Speaker 5: quarterbacks that have been putting up huge numbers like that

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Speaker 1: With that said, biggest surprise for me, I have struggles

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Speaker 2: C J. Stroud Superstar Club Potential got that there.

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Speaker 6: That would have been my number one pick if I

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Speaker 1: I know the Giants were not expected to win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but this season turning into a nightmare. The

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are favored by sixteen points this week. They are

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Speaker 1: a nightmare. So that's a surprise. And then I guess

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Speaker 1: The other big surprise for me is a Mark's black

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Speaker 1: jacket is on a cal Ripken like streak of games played.

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Speaker 2: Like that's been a big surprise to me this season.

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Speaker 5: It's more Grayish, more battleship.

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Speaker 1: Gray, Battleship, Gray Levi is really he's the star of

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Speaker 5: I think it's an apathy towards you know, dressing and

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Speaker 4: I think you should call your jacket Helga because that

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Speaker 4: was the name of my battleship, Gray car So Helga

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Speaker 4: Helga looks good.

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Speaker 7: Consider that. What is your big Actually, I think it

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Speaker 5: Stroud adjacent in the sense that I've always found like

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Speaker 5: the draft community to be. It's it's no I know

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Speaker 5: they do a lot of work, but it's a lot

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Speaker 5: of guessing, and it's a lot of nonsense, and there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of like factors that we mull over and

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Speaker 5: have to like judge a human being that a lot

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Speaker 5: pro Game, we didn't know a lot.

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Speaker 7: About c J. Stroud until like a month before that.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm watch all this tape and look at me,

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Speaker 5: but it's like, you're done tracking this guy's entire career, okay,

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Speaker 5: and that's like, you this S two cognition test that

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Speaker 5: dropped this information that he got an eighteen on it,

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Speaker 5: where guys like Bryce Young got a ninety eight. So

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Speaker 5: it's like, oh, obviously Bryce Young brings this other element.

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Speaker 7: No, it won't.

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Speaker 5: Bryce Young scoring a ninety eight and Stroud earning in eighteen.

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Speaker 5: I'll show you number eighteen. Seacrest out baby, like I

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Speaker 7: CJ.

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Speaker 7: So it's not like everyone is shocked. CJ.

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Speaker 7: Okay, wonder lick this? How about that?

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Speaker 7: Still? Why is it that relevant of a test? I

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Speaker 2: I don't know who you're really fighting again.

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Speaker 4: Spicy, well done, Mark, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: You gave this assignment about an hour before the show,

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Speaker 1: All Right, well, let's get into our predictions that we

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Speaker 7: This was an assignment.

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Speaker 1: This was, yes, an assignment. On August thirtieth, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: But on this show, why don't why don't we kind

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Speaker 4: Was very busy documentary that was still ending the summer

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Speaker 1: It was an opt out. It's okay, this could be

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Speaker 2: Let's see.

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Speaker 1: Me and Cess Dog both had Patrick Mahomes, Greggy, you

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Speaker 1: None of us are necessarily feeling great right now. But

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Speaker 1: saying earlier, Greg, So would anybody want to change their

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Speaker 5: I mean, I like fully those like seven or eight quarterbacks.

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Speaker 6: I think if maybe, if the season ended today, I

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Speaker 6: there's no like great quarterbacks, there's no clear MVP. It's

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Speaker 7: Aremy comfortable with Mahomes and we'll get there.

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Speaker 6: But I would say, right now, AJ Brown and Tyreek

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Speaker 7: Like those guys.

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Speaker 6: If they have a huge stretch run, any one of

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Speaker 7: Right now.

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Speaker 6: I guess they'd give it to Lamar out of this quarterback.

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Speaker 6: I like the receivers better. It feels like they're more

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Speaker 6: that's true now. I don't think that's true. Last time

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Speaker 6: it's been well, I think once only ever, right, Jerry

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Speaker 6: Rice is the only I mean, but things things could change.

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Speaker 6: You could have a season like if you forwarded and

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Speaker 6: Lamar really ended with like eighteen touchdown passes. I don't

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Speaker 6: Mahomes on like a pretty mediocre offense, or Hurts might

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Speaker 7: I have a weird one, like like, so we know, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Are we really by the way, are gonna give the

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Speaker 1: the Tyreek Hill Like we're gonna, We're gonna, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Come sound to voters.

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Speaker 6: I mean at this point, when was the last time

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Speaker 6: you heard anyone brought up Tyreek Hill's off field child.

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Speaker 6: He literally is featured on Nickelodeon's promotion for their kids show,

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Speaker 1: By the way, who gets completely absolved and who remains

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Speaker 7: In this case, it would just be the voters technical

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Speaker 6: I think he's getting all pro votes every year, right,

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Speaker 6: I mean to me, it's the same, it's the same voters.

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Speaker 7: It's it's the same people. But it's all TB.

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Speaker 6: But I would get rid of my Herbert pick because

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Speaker 5: Is it the kind of thing where you need to

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Speaker 5: a special case to be like a Joe Burrow, Right,

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Speaker 4: To me, I think it's like the last six weeks

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Speaker 4: Lamar has a great case because he's made such a

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Speaker 6: Right Burrow is actually I can pull it up Burrows

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Speaker 6: like the second or third most likely odds right now

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Speaker 6: and to your point, Dan, even right now. And because

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Speaker 6: Tyreek and aj Brown are buried. They're still like sixth

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just that's how they do it.

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Speaker 7: I guess I be the change, though that hurts Lamar.

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving Tyreek kill my vote for MVPY, so

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Speaker 1: I will not be that change for that guy.

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Speaker 5: You're asking the Pro Football writer now America, Greg to

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Speaker 7: Also, no receiver has won v okay, I should have.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, I thought Rice wanted like eighty eight.

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Speaker 7: I'm doing a quick glance. Eighty eight a defensive player

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Speaker 7: who won it year Boom, Yeah, I'm wrong, Oh Wrongles team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a year when Jerry Rice had like

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Speaker 7: It's it's a it's a stupid conversation.

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Speaker 6: But there used to be two MVP awards where it

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Speaker 7: And I think Rice was.

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Speaker 1: That feels like something that's going to happen. Yes, in

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Speaker 1: there was the strike year, Holy god, in twelve games

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Speaker 1: because the first four weeks were gabs playing in twelve games.

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Speaker 2: He had twenty two touchdowns that year, Oh my god.

447
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Speaker 2: And then Moss broke his record in sixteenth. That's crazy her.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he won the Pro Football Writers in nineteen eighty seven,

449
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Speaker 6: which back then actually like was as prestigious and was

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Speaker 6: sort of they were like competing awards.

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Speaker 1: My take with this particular exercise we're doing is I'm

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Speaker 1: not moving.

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Speaker 2: Off unless I really have to, Like it's a lost cause.

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Speaker 1: So I'll stick with Mahomes and I would go to

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Speaker 1: I would pivot to Burrow unless I if I felt

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Speaker 1: really strongly, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't, ok.

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Speaker 6: I think I think Lamar if they can get a

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Speaker 6: one seed here and he continues to play while he

460
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Speaker 6: was gonna maybe be the yeah guy, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, offensive Player of the Year before the season, Mark

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Speaker 1: you took Jalen Hurts, Greg you it Tooks.

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Speaker 7: I liked that though.

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Speaker 6: That's creative, Well that was that was just what I knew,

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Speaker 6: know how these things work.

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Speaker 7: It was just like to put another name.

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Speaker 2: I took Garrett Wilson.

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Speaker 1: And the favorite in the field in August was Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 1: I should say Mahomes was the favorite amongst NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com writers in the field in August. This one, Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one looks like right now AJ Brown or Tyreek,

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Speaker 1: but Christian McCaffrey has a as a real case as

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Speaker 1: well to win it.

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Speaker 2: So those seem like the Big three for me.

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Speaker 5: So that's the I still think what happens so often

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Speaker 5: is they still pick another quarterback.

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Speaker 7: I think this is the year that would change.

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Speaker 6: But jeff last year, right right, they'll do that be

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Speaker 6: best receiver this year because we've seen a c change too,

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Speaker 6: like receivers are getting quarterback money. I think people are

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Speaker 6: starting to understand that a receiver as good as Tyreek

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Speaker 6: Hill and Justin Jefferson and A J. Brown can make

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Speaker 6: like they're elevating as good as Jalen Hurts is in Tua,

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Speaker 6: like they are elevating them in a way that you

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Speaker 6: just couldn't without a receiver.

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Speaker 5: Like not a single NFL dot Com expert picked AJ Brown.

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Speaker 4: No way. See if I did the exercise, you know

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Speaker 4: that was your opportunity.

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Speaker 7: I did kick A J.

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Speaker 6: Brown in his Fantasy League twelfth overall.

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Speaker 7: That was me. Yeah, I believed in you. AJ.

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Speaker 4: We're so happy for it.

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Speaker 7: Very nice massive bona fide Street credit.

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Speaker 1: Right Defensive Player of the Year Sestog took Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 1: A good job by you, buddy. Not gonna happen. But

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Speaker 1: let's see, Greg, you took MICHAEH. Parsons Micah Parsons, who

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Speaker 1: is the favorite on our page. I took Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 7: I think Dan is gonna win this.

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Speaker 2: Feeling good about that. I stand with Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 7: I would switch it if I could.

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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously it's not Sauce Gardner, but it's like,

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Speaker 5: I think this is the It seems like it's been

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Speaker 5: elusive for Garrett, who's like always on the fringe of it.

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Speaker 5: This may be he's made difference making plays week after week.

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Speaker 2: We should say it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Sauce probably is not gonna win it, but

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Speaker 1: it's not like he's injured anything. He's playing on a

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Speaker 1: very good defense. But he hasn't had a year as

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Speaker 1: as equal to year one so far.

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Speaker 6: Right, the problem for Gary and I've seen this like oh,

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Speaker 6: on Sunday he won the Defensive Player the Year. Where

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Speaker 6: the problem is, unlike MVP, there's incredible candidates. And again,

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Speaker 6: it probably doesn't matter what you've done to this point

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Speaker 6: because Parsons is close enough, you know, and and Max

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Speaker 6: Crosby is close enough, and TJ. Watt close enough. They're

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Speaker 6: all having monster seasons that whoever has the best second

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Speaker 6: half of the season. Actually Parsons is barely behind in

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Speaker 6: the odds in Vegas, like Garrett's the slight favorite, but

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Speaker 6: Parsons is barely behind.

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Speaker 7: In TJ Wat's not far behind.

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Speaker 4: Which Miles Garrett is like the bridesmaid for this award.

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Speaker 7: I think so too. I think it hel he feels

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Speaker 7: different this year though doesn't Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He does for sure, But I want Max Crosby to

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Speaker 4: get it because he is like the main guy on

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Speaker 4: that defense and Miles Garrett has some good playmakers around

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Speaker 4: him in Cleveland, but I feel like Max is a

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Speaker 4: little bit more on an island with the Raiders.

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Speaker 6: Roquan Smith, I think would get some votes because you

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Speaker 6: can vote for three guys, uh, best linebacker in the

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Speaker 6: league and part of the best offense, and then Josh

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Speaker 6: Allen's this his numbers in Jacksonville have to be looked at,

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Speaker 6: Dexter Lawrence, Aaron Donald. Those guys wouldn't get it this year,

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Speaker 6: but in a normal year, I feel like they'd be

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Speaker 6: on some lists.

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Speaker 2: All right, this one's crazy offensive Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 1: So you everyone remembers the incredible amount of hype around

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Speaker 1: Bejhon Robinson. He got twenty six of the let's say

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Speaker 1: through like twenty six of the thirty three votes, including

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Speaker 1: cestog including Rosenthal, I picked Anthony Richardson. He had the

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Speaker 1: second most votes, but only three votes. Bryce Young had

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Speaker 1: three votes. Zay Flowers got a vote from Burgo get

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Speaker 1: well soon, Burgo and Jami or Gibbs got one vote. Nobody,

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Speaker 1: nobody gave a single vote to c J. Stroud, who

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Speaker 1: at this point I'm not uncomfortable.

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Speaker 7: That goes back to my argument, let's be real, it's

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Speaker 7: the test.

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Speaker 5: There was some sort of like perception that he might

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Speaker 5: struggle in a way that we didn't expect, yea.

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Speaker 6: Because no one thought the Texans offense was going to

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Speaker 6: be good, Like I'm just or the Texans would be

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Speaker 6: You're right, though, you're right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah everyone she doing Steve mariochim yeah, so you had

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Speaker 5: uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: C J. Stroud does not show up here.

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Speaker 1: I think he did, barring some type of injury, clinch

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Speaker 1: Offensive Player of the Year on Sunday with what.

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Speaker 5: He did while losing your guy, Anthony Richardson like cleared

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Speaker 5: that field out quite a bit and Bryce Young not

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Speaker 5: looking ready for primetime at this point, I.

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Speaker 7: Think you're right.

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Speaker 6: He's he's a heavy, heavy favorite, which is too bad

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Speaker 6: for pukakul. You put Pooka in last year's class. He's

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Speaker 6: got a great chance, I think to win it over

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Speaker 6: Garrett Wilson or Chris o'lavey. Like he has a very

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Speaker 6: reasonable chance if Matthew Stafford is healthy, to have the

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Speaker 6: greatest or one of the greatest rookie season statistically that

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Speaker 6: any wide receivers ever had.

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Speaker 4: The only thing is he doesn't have the touchdowns like

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Speaker 4: he has the yards and the catches.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: By the way, John Robinson, whatever are the Smith's doing

573
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Speaker 1: over there? I think he's average. He's leveraging two point

574
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Speaker 1: nine yards per carrying over the last month or so. Yikes,

575
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Speaker 1: they've turned him into a sub three yards of carry runner.

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Speaker 2: They're not helping.

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Speaker 7: Really, Yeah, is that five for the season?

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Speaker 4: That is?

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Speaker 7: That is sad?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's see bay bay blah bah bah flah fla.

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Speaker 2: Fla fla flah.

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Speaker 1: Moving on the defensive Rookie of the Year. Uh, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Carter was the favorite. I picked Jalen Carter.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Rosenthal picked Brian Branch.

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Speaker 7: He's got a chance. I think he's got a decent Mark.

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Speaker 1: Picked Joey Porter Jr. Because his dad played for the Steelers.

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Speaker 7: Well, you're not wrong.

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Speaker 1: I feel good about Jalen Carter. I'm gonna stand on

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Speaker 1: that one.

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Speaker 6: He is the favorite right now. He would be my

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Speaker 6: choice as well. I think until the last week or

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Speaker 6: two he would have a pretty decent All Pro case,

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Speaker 6: as like a you know, first team All Pro defensive tackle.

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Speaker 6: But Witherspoon's having a good year. Branch is still third

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Speaker 6: or fourth in the odds right now because he's had

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Speaker 6: a nice season. Will Anderson's having a solid rookie season

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Speaker 6: where if he picked it up, I think Carter.

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Speaker 4: Has to be Jill and Carter, Jalen Carter this point.

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Speaker 6: At this point, you guys, at right now now, I'm

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Speaker 6: sticking with Branch because that's looking like a fun little friend.

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Speaker 7: I feel that we're.

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Speaker 2: Safe moving off.

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Speaker 5: Joey Porter a good player, but like you know that

606
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Speaker 5: he would need to do something insane down the stretch.

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Speaker 7: That can happen.

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Speaker 6: It's he's now like starting he didn't start the first

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Speaker 6: five weeks or that didn't help come back play.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. One's just strange.

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Speaker 1: Coach of the Year, let's see, the favorite was Robert Salad.

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Speaker 2: How things have changed? Uh, the I voted.

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Speaker 7: By that much at you'd be surprised he's one of

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Speaker 7: the favorites.

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Speaker 1: Still interesting, it's because he's very good with the media.

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Speaker 1: He's photogenic.

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Speaker 2: I have so doubt on he definitely does look the part.

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Speaker 1: Uh No, it's not one line I said, been talking

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Speaker 1: about him for a few weeks. I had Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: with my pick. Look at that, and that's looking pretty

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Speaker 1: decent right now. Uh, sess dog.

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Speaker 7: This is why I was figgling before. I mean, you

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Speaker 7: know what, it was all set up.

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Speaker 5: It was set up to be he was a kind

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Speaker 5: of a candidate that fits that whole thing, and then

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Speaker 5: he suddenly.

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Speaker 6: Well he's currently plus sixty six hundred to win it,

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Speaker 6: which is a lot better chance than Brian Daviles and

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Speaker 6: Belichick's plus twenty five thousand.

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Speaker 2: Greg, you had Ron Rivera that nailed it.

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Speaker 6: That's not looking good. You know who is the favorite?

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Speaker 2: Now? Was it? Who you let me get?

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Speaker 7: Christ's my favorite?

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Speaker 6: Toko would be my pick, and I think I was

635
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Speaker 6: thinking Koc's maybe got a chance to sneak up. But no,

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Speaker 6: the favorite, a decent sized favorite, is Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say, you.

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Speaker 5: Know what's going to help Mike McDaniel. Maybe is the

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Speaker 5: in season hard knocks.

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Speaker 7: He's a human beings honing like there's amen. The Dolphins

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Speaker 7: win the division.

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Speaker 6: He has John Harbaugh ever won Coach of the Year,

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Speaker 6: because I feel like if they're the number one seed,

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Speaker 6: that feels that feels.

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Speaker 7: Like a year. I remember when we talked about in.

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Speaker 1: August that Mike Tomlin has never won Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 1: So it's the that's what we're talking about. The Scorsese

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Speaker 1: getting the finally getting statue for the departed.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this awards like absurd.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and then we will

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Speaker 1: have a conversation.

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Speaker 7: Okay, team.

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Speaker 4: The team.

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Speaker 2: Fit only one seed.

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Speaker 8: Thousand times the team team.

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Speaker 7: This is important.

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Speaker 9: This is a special in Dick Banks, the one man

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Speaker 9: house band with the iconic team of atl slash at

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Speaker 9: and theme song.

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Speaker 4: Just reminded me, by the way, real quick, when we

661
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Speaker 4: used to do or Are you kidding Me? Live in

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Speaker 4: studio with someone that we brought up from the newsroom,

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Speaker 4: I believe with the guitar.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't from the newsroom.

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Speaker 1: His name was Patrick Kangajew and he was a I

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Speaker 1: put out on the company wide messaging client, Hey, does

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Speaker 1: anybody know how to play guitar? And this guy Patrick,

668
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: who worked on the second floor and maybe marketing or

669
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Speaker 1: social media somewhere, he replies, I play guitar. It's like,

670
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Speaker 1: can you bring your guitar in an amp to the

671
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Speaker 1: studio to play?

672
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Speaker 2: Just lay down some.

673
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Speaker 7: Tasty licks electric guitar?

674
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, electric guitar.

675
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Speaker 1: And he brought a strap bro and he just find

676
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Speaker 1: that if people people that like the archives of the

677
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: show when Kangajeu was in studio and I don't know

678
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: where he is these days, it was Michael Kangadju. Actually

679
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I don't know where he is now, but thank you buddy.

680
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: That was one of the most memorable shows for some reason.

681
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 4: It still stands out in my head.

682
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 7: It's got three or four of those appearances. Yeah, I

683
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 7: think he's live at Red Rocks on Thursday night.

684
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: All right, so where are we? Okay?

685
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: Last year team of around the NFL Detroit Lions, and

686
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: it was a perfect pick, perfect synergy.

687
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: It started Connie with you and I.

688
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: And Hard Knocks, and then that's a season that started

689
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: slow but gain momentum and we kind of all fell

690
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: for that Lions team.

691
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: And now it's like sending off.

692
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: A beautiful like your child went away to college and

693
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: you're just setting them free, and it's just like, go

694
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Speaker 1: go win a trophy. Lions, we love you. It's a

695
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: new year. We need a new team. We don't need

696
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: a new team. We'd like a new team, but you

697
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: can't force the team around the NFL. And a week ago,

698
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: at this time, it felt like the market felt like

699
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: there was no chance. A week ago, there's just nobody

700
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: that had truly captured our imagination.

701
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: Nothing stood out like it typically does, like you kind

702
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 5: of all get the similar feeling, or most of us do.

703
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 7: And like a week ago that was true.

704
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 6: We often did do it early in the season, but

705
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Speaker 6: the original team of ATO, which was the Carolina Panthers,

706
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 6: was actually.

707
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Speaker 7: Probably around this time old. It was a slow build.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: So with that said, Colleen, yes, and we because we

710
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Speaker 1: view you as a member of the team, thank you.

711
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: We We need a unanimous vote, okay, and that's going

712
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: to be four like the old days with Chris Westling.

713
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: So the only way a team of atn can exist.

714
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Speaker 1: And if we want to push back the vote to

715
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Speaker 1: Sunday and see how the games play out, I'm not

716
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: against that, but let's talk about it first, and with

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Speaker 1: that said, I'll let's begin the nomination process.

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Speaker 2: Eric. Like a phoenix rising.

719
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: From the ashes, the Houston Texans are a franchise reborn.

720
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Speaker 1: The vision of new head coach Tomiko, Ryans and Wonderkins.

721
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: Signal caller C. J.

722
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Speaker 1: Stroud has changed the landscape of the AFC South Division

723
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Speaker 1: and created questions that seemed unthinkable before the season. Are

724
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Speaker 1: the Texans playoff bound? Will Stroud finish with the greatest

725
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: statistical rookie season by a quarterback ever?

726
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: Out of the darkness, light has broken through. The Texans

727
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: have arrived.

728
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Speaker 1: In the words of every nine year old boy on

729
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: playgrounds across America, let's.

730
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Speaker 4: Go beautifully sad the Texans.

731
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Speaker 5: To me, it's the only candidate that really fits for me. Ellswith,

732
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: It's this great story of a team that we came

733
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 5: into the year saying like, well, they're the opposite of

734
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 5: weapons Rich. Like I mentioned, we're wondering what the quarterback

735
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 5: journey will be. It's a new coach, the general manager

736
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 5: has been attached to a lot of nonsense. Suddenly no

737
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 5: one's talking about him because everything's working out. They've been

738
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 5: a team in the ABYSS in abstentia for a long

739
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 5: time now, and they had no personality, and it was

740
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 5: like you keep firing your coach two years in a

741
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 5: row after one year stints and now suddenly everything quickly

742
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: seems put together. And yet the reason I think that

743
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 5: they fit for Team of ATN is that the lines

744
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 5: a year ago were two and six, now they're six

745
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 5: and two. It's a bit of a flash point again

746
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 5: where you're like kind of projecting where this team could go.

747
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 7: They're imperfect in certain ways.

748
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 5: There's a lot of young talent, but they're four and four,

749
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Speaker 5: so we're not picking like an overt front runner.

750
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Speaker 7: I kind of like that the most I want them

751
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 7: to be.

752
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: Maybe they make the playoffs, maybe they don't, but they're

753
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 5: gonna be fun and there's a lot of future focus

754
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 5: to them. So that's that I would they would get

755
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Speaker 5: my vote.

756
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 6: Well, what you're talking about gets to what are we

757
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 6: looking for in the team of ATL and maybe we're

758
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 6: all looking for different things. Are we looking for a

759
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: team that's going to win because and we'll get to

760
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 6: the next nominee? Like, I think that's not that important

761
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 6: to me. I actually would be fine with a team

762
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 6: of ATL that like won seven games. If I just

763
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 6: felt an emotional attachment that I want to see this

764
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 6: team g I felt that with the Lions even last

765
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 6: year when they were losing and had some hope that

766
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 6: they would turn it around, and they didn't, and I

767
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 6: think that worked out great.

768
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 7: You know, they didn't make the playoffs. The Texans are

769
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 7: a fun watch.

770
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 6: I don't know if I feel like a crazy emotional

771
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 6: attachment to them, but I do like the idea of

772
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 6: a team of atl versus not because why not. I

773
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 6: like hearing that song and I do find them very

774
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 6: early on my game pass rankings of like I like

775
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 6: watching dink Del, I like watching Nico Collins, I like

776
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 6: watching CJ.

777
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: Stroud.

778
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 6: It's a passing league like that. That's what I like

779
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 6: turning on. So I'm all for them and.

780
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: A lot of ways, the Detroit Lions last year were

781
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: the platonic ideal of the team of ATM for me

782
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: because of that, Like there were peaks and valleys and

783
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: they weren't they weren't bullies, but they always put up

784
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: a fight and they kind of peeked down the stretch

785
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and even though they didn't make it, Yeah, there was

786
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: just like a lot of hope around the franchise, like

787
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: it was really exciting, and I think you could definitely

788
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: make that case for the Texans. I think a couple

789
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: of things like lessons I'm learning from this Texan teams

790
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: are kind of reminders a like, even if you don't

791
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: have a great front office setup, even if you have dysfunction,

792
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: it's crazy how much a quarterback and paper over things.

793
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: And that's what caj Stroud.

794
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: Nobody's talking about the bad around the Texans anymore because

795
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: he's been so good. And then the other thing is, yeah,

796
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time this summer talking about, yeah,

797
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: well who's this guy thrown to? Well, you don't know

798
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: how good he's gonna be, and then you don't know

799
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: how what he could bring out of these receivers like

800
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: Collins and Tank Dell.

801
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: So it's a and Dalton Schultz.

802
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: Like you you see what he's been able to do

803
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: even without a running game. So the idea of getting

804
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: on board with a young quarterback now being a number

805
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: two overall pick Connie and I like kind of sometimes

806
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: the underdog slantip team of Aten.

807
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: Does that bother you at all?

808
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 7: No?

809
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: Because for me, it's like the Texans essentially had to

810
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 4: settle quote unquote for c. J. Stroud because of what

811
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: happened at the end of the season with them and

812
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 4: not getting that number one overall pick. So it was like, Okay,

813
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: they're gonna get like essentially the sloppy second who looks

814
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: really really good right now. So for me, the team

815
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 4: should be easy to root for. It should have a

816
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 4: this like sort of a dusting of hope around them

817
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 4: and a team that is typically downtrodden, Like I like

818
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: that aspect of it. Maybe it's on the up and up.

819
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 4: It's it's a team that people have historically kind of

820
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: beat down a little bit, not believed in, and I

821
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 4: feel like the Texans have this confidence about them now

822
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 4: that is very attractive. And Demico Ryans is so likable.

823
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 6: He changes everything, he changes the front office because it's

824
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 6: his organization totally.

825
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: And they're look good too. They're just kind of this

826
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: fun team and I wonder if they're in line to

827
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 4: be the Lions slash Jags team that has this renaissance

828
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: that has staying power.

829
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 6: He's their fifth coach, Tamiko Ryans in the last four years,

830
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 6: because you remember in twenty twenty they fired Bill O'Brien

831
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 6: after only four games, and then it was Romeo crnell

832
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 6: for twelve games. They were eleven and thirty eight in

833
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 6: those three seasons. They did not win more than four

834
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 6: games in any of those seasons. They're at four and

835
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 6: four now, so they have they are an underdog story

836
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Speaker 6: even with with number two pick.

837
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last I think Watson's last full year there,

838
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: if you look at his numbers, they were outstanding and

839
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: they went four and twelve. I believe it was like

840
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: there was just so many things wrong with that team

841
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: and they were like the exception to the rule where

842
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, yeah, you could have a studley

843
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: quarterback and still be terrible. But now things seem different.

844
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: They have some balance and yeah, coaching matters obviously interesting.

845
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: Okay, like that one.

846
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 2: So let's head to the next.

847
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: Left to perish after an zero to three start, the

848
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings have proven it's never wise to write off

849
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: a proper Norseman. Winners of five of their last six contests,

850
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell's resilient Gridiron Warriors refused to be put out

851
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: to sea, despite the absence of the great Justin Jefferson

852
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: and a season ending injury suffered by their leader, Kirk

853
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: the Benevolent. The sudden arrival of Joshua Dobbs, a fearless

854
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: warrior appearing like a specter out from the mist, has

855
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: made these irrepressible Vikings a dangerous foe thinking big about

856
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: what's to come.

857
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 7: That's what she said, Okay, trying a place where that

858
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 7: where that accent is coming from. It's just like a

859
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 7: taste of irish in And now.

860
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Speaker 4: I think the other one was kind of going in

861
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 4: and out of several different.

862
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: Characters to that purposeful. Maybe it's like it's it doesn't

863
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: want to be pinned down to one die.

864
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 4: It's like an eminem song with like a beat is

865
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 4: about to drop.

866
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 6: And yes, just never drops. You're just like, why won't

867
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 6: you drop me? I like, I like this one. And

868
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 6: when it first popped in at least I thought about

869
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 6: it for the first time.

870
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys had before.

871
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 6: It was last week, and it was partly like josh

872
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 6: Dobbs just feels like the player of atl So it's

873
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 6: almost like it's just following the Josh Dopps story, which

874
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 6: has been you know, strangely centered on this podcast all

875
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 6: season and now he's in Minnesota, so that he's like

876
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 6: the person of atl and he's just on the Vikings.

877
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think like if you took Josh Dobbs in

878
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: the whole bizarre NFL journey really a typical out of it,

879
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 5: they wouldn't be on my radar on any level. So

880
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 5: it's really in this case, I know that's kind of

881
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 5: true with c J. Stratt a little bit, but there's

882
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 5: a lot more I like about the Texans. Like my

883
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: one thing with the Vikings is like if if Dobbs

884
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 5: were to go down or get like a five week

885
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 5: hamstring injury, like I have no reason for this to

886
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 5: be my team personally, I don't.

887
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: Feel I say the same thing about CJ. Stratt.

888
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean it's yes, but it's to a different

889
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 5: The two ecosystems are different to me, and like I

890
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: like I feel for Vikings fans, they've been through hell.

891
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: And I also like, like, got the Vikings nominated a

892
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 5: number of years ago and it went totally south, And

893
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: so I think that I'm like my thinking, my thinking

894
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 5: is a little soiled on like this, this is this

895
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 5: is a team where I'm like, no matter what's happening,

896
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 5: I could go totally south and we're gonna have to

897
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 5: just deal with the deal with.

898
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 6: When we think about like all the good old days

899
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 6: with around the NFL. No, there was like entire seasons

900
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 6: where our entire podcast mental state was rising and falling.

901
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 7: With Mark going insane about this. Well, no, I never

902
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 7: we can't even talked about everyone crazy. Everyone was like

903
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 7: voted on eggshells, voted as we voted as a group.

904
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 5: But then it was like Mark made a bad choices,

905
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 5: Like we all voted, so it's like we all we're

906
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 5: all going to be compelled to vote.

907
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: It's amazing that this is part of the process that

908
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: you're having right now.

909
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 4: Please cut clip of that.

910
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 5: Season, and I kind of remember you vote for in life,

911
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 5: it's going to impact.

912
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: They were your nominee and I think you pushed it

913
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: through legislation.

914
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: And then they lost five games in a row, like five.

915
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 7: Or six in a rowers one of those seasons, and

916
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 7: they went off a clip.

917
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: So here's what's different about this team, Mark, Like, please

918
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: try to flush that.

919
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 5: I love John's been on Josh Dobbs all season as

920
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: Hays Greg.

921
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 7: So it's like you don't just sell me on that part.

922
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt I was being sold on the

923
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals earlier this season, which I have no time

924
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals.

925
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: That whole organization is floating in the desert.

926
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: My issue was after the Kirk Cousins injury, I was like,

927
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: oh God, that this felt like a team that was

928
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: putting it together and and a conference that's why open,

929
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, justin Jefferson coming back.

930
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: What a shame.

931
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: So when they make the move to get Dobbs and

932
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: then what he did, the storyline of what happened on Sunday,

933
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: it's it gets you kind of excited about is there

934
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: something kind of fun and special happening here? And when

935
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: you kind of factor in also, yeah, the team and

936
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: the history and the kind of the tortured history of

937
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: the Vikings, they are this isn't going to be a

938
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: team this year Mark where like they're expected to do

939
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: things and then they fall in their face because that's

940
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: what they do and they always crush their fan base.

941
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 1: This is a team that was essentially left for dead,

942
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: that gave up a seventh round pick or a sixth

943
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: round pick to get Josh Dobbs on the team when

944
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: he was already being benched by the Cardinals. And now

945
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's leading a team that believes.

946
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: I think there's just a lot of excitement around this

947
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: team and this idea of what this season could be

948
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: based on from where it started.

949
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 5: Like so like just to be real, like, I mean,

950
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 5: I everything you just said I agree with and I'm

951
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 5: more of a swing voter in this. I think back

952
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 5: in the days of when team of west Dale, it's

953
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 5: like he would never allow anything he didn't fully one

954
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 5: percent by anyone. Like I think even with the Lion

955
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 5: Slasher was like all right, guys, if you're so into it,

956
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 5: like a parent wanting their children to have like not

957
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: that I'm your parent, but like but their way, like have.

958
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 7: A nice time.

959
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 5: If this is what we want to do, I do it.

960
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 5: But it's not the lead like horse in the race.

961
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 4: For me, what we don't want is a bunch of

962
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: hanging chads.

963
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 7: We don't want that. We don't we never want that

964
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 7: the last time.

965
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: But this the Vikings, We're gonna rewire the trauma that

966
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 4: you experienced with the Vikings. We're gonna make it into

967
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 4: a positive experience if we do end up going with

968
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 4: this team, because for me, they've kind of gone from

969
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: just a team that's there, like a team that's kind

970
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: of languishing. And yes, they were putting it together, but

971
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 4: it seemed like they were never really going to fully

972
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 4: put it together because it was like the fumbling issues,

973
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: and then Justin Jefferson got hurt and then obviously Kirk Cousins,

974
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: and I think about Kevin O'Connell after that game that

975
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins was heard in and they had won that game,

976
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: how his locker rooms beach kind of had a pall

977
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 4: over it because he knew what this meant. And then

978
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 4: for Josh Dobbs to come in and do what he did,

979
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: imagine being Kevin O'Connell. Because it feels like there's some

980
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 4: renewed hope as well, and they have like a little

981
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: bit of an extra boost, like maybe they can be

982
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: the team that they wanted to be and wanted to

983
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 4: put together. And now that they're getting Justin Jefferson back

984
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: and Brian Flores has turned around that defense from last year,

985
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: I'm kind of all in on this team. I really

986
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 4: like that.

987
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: I know what I liked about this team. When Kirk

988
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: Cousins gets hurt.

989
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: This is a locker room that's tight that before the

990
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: game on Sunday, like many I don't want to say everybody,

991
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: but it could have been. We're wearing Kirk Cousins T

992
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: shirts and it was just like, there's like definitely a

993
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: vibe on this team that I like as well, good energy.

994
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 6: I am with you on that, and I was starting

995
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 6: to like it even before Cousins got hurt. I really

996
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 6: love Jordan Addison. I love how crazy Flores is. There

997
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 6: was something from Ben Solac on Twitter yesterday where it

998
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 6: showed like the amount of six man pressure, so it's

999
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 6: like an all out blitz essentially around the league, and

1000
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 6: the Vikings do it on literally thirty percent of their snaps.

1001
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 6: No one else in the NFL is even over ten.

1002
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 6: Like they are playing a completely different kamakazi style of

1003
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 6: defense that is also fun to watch, and I love

1004
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 6: the vibes, but it's kind of getting to what I

1005
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 6: was talking about before, which what are we looking for

1006
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 6: out of this team of atl Because I'm along for

1007
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 6: the rides, I think I'm a little more emotionally connected

1008
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 6: Vikings versus Texans, and but I like them both, but

1009
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily think like I kind of think they

1010
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 6: might lose this week to the Saints, Like, I don't

1011
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 6: necessarily think they're gonna be great. They're gonna have their ups,

1012
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 6: they're gonna have their downs. They're gonna have a chance

1013
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 6: at that seven seed. It'll be a fun ride. I

1014
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 6: don't think they're gonna like fly off to the moon

1015
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 6: or anything. It's not a bet that they're gonna be great.

1016
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 6: It's just they're fun.

1017
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: Like, aren't we We're kind of you're weighing against a

1018
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: number two pick a quarterback.

1019
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 7: That's the reason we're picking the Texans.

1020
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 5: That is fulfilling, like the potential, the prophecy and the

1021
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 5: promise versus one of the more unlikely quarterbacks Storre that

1022
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 5: you're kind of and I love it like I love them.

1023
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 5: I love that about the NFL. It's just a game

1024
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 5: changing sport because of that. But like you're hoping, you're

1025
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: more hoping that that story doesn't turn dark and probably

1026
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 5: more likely how it would be from a football angle,

1027
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 5: which is like he wins some games, but he's still

1028
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 5: joshed ups.

1029
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 6: They've got something going though. I definitely think that the

1030
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 6: roster and general, You're right, it's too bad, Kirk, we're

1031
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 6: going to keep there because they would have a high ceiling.

1032
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 6: I do like the it was like Sam Bradford team,

1033
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 6: by the way. They started out like live and oh

1034
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 6: with Sam Bradford, and I think we jumped on at

1035
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 6: like five and oh. It's good to know that because

1036
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 6: they didn't make the playoffs. It was twenty twenty fifteen.

1037
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: I can imagine Chris pushing back against the Sam Bradford team.

1038
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 7: I think that was all part of it.

1039
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 6: I think when voted, I was doing some research trying

1040
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 6: to figure out what we've done.

1041
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 7: I think we did the Panthers twice.

1042
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 6: We did the twenty fifteen Cardinals who made the conference championship. No,

1043
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 6: well but yeah, yeah, that was the Bruce Arians. We

1044
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 6: did the Chargers one years. We actually circled back to

1045
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 6: the Panthers, and then we skipped it a few years.

1046
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 6: We had them Naggy Bears that were actually good. That

1047
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 6: year we did.

1048
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: Whatever you get got on board of Matt Nague.

1049
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 6: But no one cared that year. I remember, like, no

1050
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 6: one actually cared. Let's see, yes, the he did the

1051
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 6: mcveigh's first year with the Rams.

1052
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: The twenty sixteen Vikings did start out five and oh.

1053
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: Then they went into their by which is when I

1054
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: assumed they were picked as the team of around the NFL.

1055
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: Then lost loss loss loss win lost loss win lost, loss, win.

1056
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: Eight and eighth.

1057
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken, because I remember when I got

1058
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 5: really hot, was it was like Halloween night and I

1059
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 5: think they were on like Monday Night football on Halloween Night.

1060
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 7: If I'm not mistaken and lost, yeah, I'm not sure.

1061
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 7: I'd have to go check.

1062
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 5: It was something something happened to the Vikings on Halloween

1063
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 5: Night that year where everyone's just like terrible choice, Like

1064
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 5: I didn't.

1065
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 7: Want anything to do with it, Like it wasn't my vote.

1066
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 5: It's like I'm walking around like trick or treating with

1067
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 5: my kids and like getting destroyed on text over like

1068
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 5: something that we unanimously voted for.

1069
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: So it is Monday, October thirty.

1070
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll never forget that memories like the worst halloweenire life.

1071
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 7: I pulled that.

1072
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: Show Every Funny, a twenty to ten loss to the Bears.

1073
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 6: Yes, that's what it was. It wasn't really the shows.

1074
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 6: It was the tech that was the worst. It wasn't

1075
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 6: the show life, it was the words. It was the

1076
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 6: endless text that we were getting and making us worried

1077
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 6: for all of our safety and for market.

1078
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 5: Well, they were coming in both directions. It wasn't me

1079
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: and it was like being you know, well, it's a

1080
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 5: good thing. I wasn't behind this. It's like, what are

1081
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 5: we doing here? We all voted for this team. So

1082
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 5: it's like I'm saying, like we're back in that same world.

1083
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 7: Let's know, no one's going to do that. No one's

1084
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 7: taking it. I'm trying anymore.

1085
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: I like, I don't remember anything about the twenty sixteen season.

1086
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: Oh I for some reason, twenty sixteen is like very

1087
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: clear for me, twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. I mean,

1088
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: I don't do odd years.

1089
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 7: I remember that.

1090
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 6: Twenty eight to three comeback Danny ooh ouch, hold on

1091
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 6: to the memories.

1092
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 7: Greg, that's all like, yeah, yeah, they were great, it

1093
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 7: was fun, enjoyed it.

1094
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: I hope you have the time of your life. All right,

1095
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: So do we want to vote now or what do

1096
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: we do?

1097
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 4: We want to I think both teams we're gonna lose

1098
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 4: this week, unfortunately, because the Texans are playing the Bengals,

1099
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 4: So I don't.

1100
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 6: Know if.

1101
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 7: That's not what it's about.

1102
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 6: The Vikings are in a coin for I thought they

1103
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 6: would win last week against the Falcons because of what

1104
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 6: we were talking about, and I thought, and I think

1105
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 6: they would have won with Jaron Hall.

1106
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 7: That's the thing.

1107
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 6: Jared Hall look pretty good in that that drive. I

1108
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 6: was like, I think there's something going on with them

1109
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 6: that they're actually a good organization, a good team right now.

1110
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: So okay, I mean, I'm ready to vote if you

1111
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 4: want to vote.

1112
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know what we're waiting.

1113
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: For, all in favor of one the Minnesota Vikings team

1114
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: of around the NFL say.

1115
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 6: I I I I oh wait, so hold on kind

1116
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 6: of the question.

1117
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 5: So we're just like that maybe the Texans could get

1118
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 5: four eyes, but we're just like we.

1119
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 2: Could do text do come to vote?

1120
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 5: I know if they if we if we can see

1121
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 5: it that way, yeah, I would say I to the

1122
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 5: Vikings in terms of.

1123
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: Do you want to do shouldn't you want to do

1124
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: a silent ballot? Is that what you want?

1125
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 7: Well, we just gave it away.

1126
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1127
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 7: I'm already with the Vikings. I'm not against it.

1128
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 5: I just have some you know, past issues with the

1129
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 5: concept this is more likable.

1130
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: That's part of the hero's journey though, of the Vikings

1131
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: in mind, and.

1132
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: That horrific Halloweens.

1133
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's tough too, because when they play the Lions,

1134
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 6: I still I still have been rooting for the Lions

1135
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 6: and enjoying the Lions.

1136
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 7: I wanted to just run it back at the beginning.

1137
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, to root for the line. They're kind of

1138
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: our babies.

1139
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, well, they're gonna have two big games

1140
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 6: against the Vikings.

1141
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: I believe that.

1142
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 7: That's that's all I'm saying.

1143
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 5: Well, you can, you can go in and out. Great,

1144
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 5: I would say, I'm not. I'm not going to block

1145
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: the Vikings. There's no reason I would like. I just

1146
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 5: they're not my They may not be my first choice.

1147
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 4: Well, I think it should be your first choice, right, like,

1148
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 4: don't know, tell us.

1149
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 7: Your first choice. I think I would go Texans first, all.

1150
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: Right, all in favor of the Houston Texans is team

1151
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: of around the NFL.

1152
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 6: Say I I'll say, I as well, can we vote twice?

1153
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1154
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 7: Are we allowing to vote twice?

1155
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: Sure?

1156
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 6: I'm dead I would vote twice, but if I was

1157
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 6: ranking it, I would say yes to both, just because

1158
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 6: it's fun. I like them, but I would vote Vikings first.

1159
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: All right?

1160
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 5: Well, then, so Texans is not a great move here,

1161
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 5: like for the group, so like there's too I get

1162
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 5: I think that like we picked them both because we

1163
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 5: see reasons for both there, like if they're if we're

1164
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 5: we nominated both, I can go Sering Minnesota, like I

1165
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 5: can get on board.

1166
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 7: We are on air right now. I'd say yes to

1167
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 7: the Vikings. That's your swee.

1168
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 6: What was your thing again? You could vote twice, I

1169
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 6: say you could. I would support both candidacies.

1170
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 7: I would. Why is that crazy?

1171
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 4: We have two teams?

1172
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 7: No, No, you can't have two teams. Well, we have

1173
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 7: a two separate votes. We have the winner. Anyways, two

1174
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 7: people didn't.

1175
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 6: If everyone had been on board with the Texans, I

1176
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 6: would have been like, great, I only had.

1177
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: One vote because that's the only thing that makes remotely and.

1178
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 7: Then the result is clear.

1179
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: The result is clear, the roade for one or the other.

1180
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: And I think it'll be good for you, Sessa, Like

1181
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 4: let's go on this bikes journey.

1182
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 7: I like this.

1183
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 5: I'm getting tugged on this. It's not going to be

1184
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 5: I'm not on the crosshairs of whatever it was.

1185
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: Also, I know that there's some tugging with the Lions

1186
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: last year. We don't want you told that that's happening.

1187
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 5: This is different than that, like again the Josh Stopps thing,

1188
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 5: like it was.

1189
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 7: A different time.

1190
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 6: I think there was maybe a factor in that hole.

1191
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 6: You're not just we have different stresses coming from above.

1192
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 7: I'm like, I got a bunch of Vikings sex. It's

1193
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 7: like we'll talk tomorrow, like.

1194
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 6: We're you know, Lion's fans won't be happy. I know,

1195
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 6: Packers fans we got. We got some tweets saying it

1196
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 6: would hurt, you know, going Lions Vikings back to back

1197
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 6: while they were just I still.

1198
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 4: Love the Lions though. This is nothing nothing to do

1199
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 4: with the Lions.

1200
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: You know, the bread farm to Aaron Rodgers, team, take

1201
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: a seat, do something, all right, all right, let's get

1202
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: to good, good job.

1203
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 2: So we got a team around.

1204
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: The music's no, you know we need we need the

1205
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: Vikings horn thing, the yaller horn.

1206
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me hit a hit a yawler.

1207
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 4: What is it called yaller horn?

1208
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: Yaller horn hit it?

1209
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 7: Wait, does this mean we have to do like the

1210
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 7: skull thing out of Is that something I should know

1211
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 7: I have?

1212
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yowl horn, y'awl aer horn.

1213
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: I know you mean I only know that because I've

1214
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: had to say it multiple times on the air and

1215
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: it's spelled.

1216
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1217
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: All right, So Viking, if you get hit us up

1218
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: with a Yaller horn, that would be excellent. Eric on

1219
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: uh right, Like put him on the nose here, put

1220
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: him on the spot, just have it sitting there. You

1221
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: never know when someone might have a yaller horn. We're skullheads.

1222
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: I like this.

1223
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 7: I still say Folds Marcus.

1224
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 4: Special, best stadium, Yeah, best in game presentation, and we're.

1225
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: Putting all those demons to bad Halloween sixteen goodbye.

1226
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 7: I like Viking culture, the concept.

1227
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: Of it, the pillaging and the other stuff.

1228
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 7: No, just like the you know, we know who we are.

1229
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 4: We're not having around the resourceful.

1230
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 7: Yeah maybe they were in America?

1231
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: Not sure?

1232
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: Is that the holler? Hell yeah?

1233
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, we got Randy behind the best big funk

1234
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: is the Packers fans.

1235
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: Dude, it ain't personal.

1236
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 7: I'm sorry.

1237
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 4: So we're getting double thumbs down.

1238
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: All right, this is exciting. Let's move. Let's hit the

1239
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 2: previous before we say goodbye.

1240
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 7: Wow.

1241
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: All right, So the Vikings did it? What a wild

1242
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: season can't predict the NFL. See, there is the biggest

1243
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: surprise Vikings nowhere around the NFL question. Josh Dobbs, all right,

1244
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: let's uh, the primetime games this week are pretty rough.

1245
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: Let's start with the Carolina Panthers on Thursday night traveling

1246
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: to Chicago to face the Bears. So I don't know

1247
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: was this was this something that could be flexed. No,

1248
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: so it's a one in seven Panthers team with Bryce

1249
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: Young coming off another rough outing in which he threw

1250
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: two pick sixes, lost the fumble facing the Chicago Bears.

1251
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: And no, we don't get Justin Fields either. It looks

1252
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: like because he is not quite ready to return after

1253
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: suffering a thumb injury a couple of weeks back. So

1254
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: you will get at least one more start of Tyson

1255
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: Beige and Colleen.

1256
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: You are the.

1257
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: Anchor of NFL Networks Thursday night football coverage.

1258
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this one?

1259
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just like, so, sell a baby. I feel

1260
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 4: so honored that I am doing our Thursday night coverage

1261
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 4: this week with Panthers Bears. I'm doing the Germany game

1262
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 4: with Colts Pats, and the Monday night game with Mooch,

1263
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 4: which is Bronco's Bills. So it's really those are my

1264
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 4: three shows this week, and I could not be happier.

1265
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 7: What is the.

1266
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: Alarm clock set to be the Germany For the Germany.

1267
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 4: Game, my call time is two am and wake up

1268
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 4: or show. I'm in this building at two am and

1269
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 4: it's like a forty five minute drive and I do

1270
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 4: my hair and makeup before I come in.

1271
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 7: But you around seven then.

1272
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: I think last week I went to sleep around seven,

1273
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 4: but I wanted to be asleep at five, And then

1274
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 4: last week I had some work to do on the

1275
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 4: show to finish up, so I woke up at eleven.

1276
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 7: Thirty at nightly.

1277
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: God.

1278
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, and John was still up like from that day,

1279
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 4: so that was mere. But yeah, the TNF game, let's

1280
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 4: start there. Bryce Young and Tyson Bagent combined for seven turnovers.

1281
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 4: Last week, we were having some issues trying to figure

1282
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: out just graphically in the studio who the third star

1283
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 4: of the game was going to be on our mural studio,

1284
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 4: so we went with a head coaching situation. But you know,

1285
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 4: little more, DJ Moore is already on there and Brian

1286
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 4: Burns is not playing. Uh it's just it's not great.

1287
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 4: But I do like the fact that the Bears. If

1288
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 4: I had to find one silver line put Smith there.

1289
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 4: I know exactly. Yeah, you have like a couple of

1290
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 4: revenge game angles here with DJ Moore playing the Panthers

1291
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 4: and obviously Bryce Young playing the Bears. I don't know

1292
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 4: how much revenge that they will get, but that is

1293
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 4: something that you can talk about. But I do think

1294
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 4: that the Bears running game could get going here because

1295
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 4: the Panthers have been so tragically bad against the run,

1296
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 4: so down to foreman like has a nice opportunity here.

1297
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 4: But it's tough. This is gonna be rough. I'm not

1298
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 4: gonna lie.

1299
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 6: I mean, I'd like to see a bounce back game

1300
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 6: from Bryce Young. He is the biggest story in this

1301
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 6: game because he is the number one overall pick and

1302
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 6: the Bears have been playing in theory better on defense,

1303
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 6: but then it sort of fell apart.

1304
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1305
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 6: Their offense actually has been sneaky combatant this entire season

1306
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 6: without people noticing except for the turnovers they just and

1307
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 6: that's beigent Like Beijing is okay. I think Beijen's gonna

1308
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 6: be a backup in the league for a while. They're

1309
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 6: thirteenth in the NFL and so these are a lot

1310
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 6: of field starts too. In points and yards per drive thirteenth,

1311
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 6: that actually that's like literally better than average, which is

1312
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 6: kind of shocking. They they moved the ball, but then

1313
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 6: you know Fields was doing it. The whole team was fumbling.

1314
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 6: Beijent like makes mistakes. It's all bad. The only interest

1315
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 6: The most interesting thing about this game or the picks

1316
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 6: and the team building, which is hard to talk about,

1317
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 6: Like how does this trade look all these months later?

1318
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 6: I think the Bears have to be, you know, very

1319
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 6: happy about it obviously. That Like, it's tough to just

1320
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 6: pick a player and say he's going to be so

1321
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 6: much better that he's worth these two first round draft picks.

1322
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 6: It's a bad process. And now it's coming back to

1323
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 6: hun Hum. But I don't know necessarily, I've heard some

1324
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 6: whispers that Ryan Polls the GM is necessarily going to

1325
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,959
Speaker 6: make those picks. So there is a chance this whole

1326
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 6: thing gets blown up anyways, and that even though you

1327
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 6: made that trade.

1328
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 7: Which looks good, that they won't be patient.

1329
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 5: I mean, it is a chance to literally take away

1330
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 5: a win from the team that chooses the destiny of

1331
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 5: that number one pick for Chicago next offseason.

1332
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 7: That matters, it does.

1333
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 5: I don't like it for Carolina, to be honest, any

1334
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 5: any road team on Thursday night. I think I'm just

1335
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 5: gonna lean on like two even teams to some degree.

1336
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 5: With the home situation, Brian Burns you mentioned is out.

1337
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 7: CJ.

1338
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 5: Henderson not been having a great year, but that you're

1339
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 5: losing him to DJ Shark is doubtful. Leviscus Channault is unlikely.

1340
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 5: It's like you don't have much on that offense beyond

1341
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 5: Adam Dealing to begin with. So and they are the

1342
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 5: number four run defense and they have not allowed one

1343
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 5: hundred yard rusher of the Bears going back to Week three,

1344
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 5: and I think they've been up and down on defense,

1345
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 5: but you add sweat to that situation. I think it's

1346
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 5: kind of like if you can shut down what is

1347
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 5: not a good ground game to begin with, one of

1348
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: the bottom five Panthers ground game, they're uneven on offense.

1349
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 5: You put Bryce Young into a tough situation on the road,

1350
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 5: and I think that the Bears defense has been improved.

1351
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 5: In fact, the whole Bear's gonna do it. No, I'm

1352
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 5: not gonna do because I don't that feels extra. But

1353
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 5: I think Tyson Bagen to your point, Greg, like, yes,

1354
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 5: I saw the turnovers, but when you go watch like

1355
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 5: every throw he made.

1356
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 7: It's like, this guy can move the offense.

1357
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 5: There's something about him that's like projects out as like

1358
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 5: he's gonna be around for a while. And it's like,

1359
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 5: I don't know, I guess you put Justin Fields back

1360
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 5: in there when he's healthy. Why not you want to,

1361
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 5: like maybe promote him as a potential trade candidate.

1362
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 7: But Justin Fields is not their future. I don't think.

1363
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 4: I think it's interest.

1364
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that Beagen is either, but I'd say

1365
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 5: like Beagent could stick around as a backup longer than

1366
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 5: Fields as a starter potentially.

1367
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Luke Getzi, their offensive coordinator, I think did

1368
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 4: a nice job putting him in okay situations because he

1369
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 4: turned the ball over four times and they only lost

1370
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 4: by one score, like it should have been a blowout.

1371
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Justin Fields has to get back on the field

1372
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: and show something here obviously in the last few weeks.

1373
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, the uncertainty around the organization that's gonna play

1374
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: a part in this. And yeah, it's kind of cool that, Yeah,

1375
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: the Bears can win this game and also improve their

1376
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: draft standing because they own the Panthers' pick. That's a

1377
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: cool thing. And I also think about Yeah, the Panthers

1378
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: are thinking about you know, shoot, should we have taken Stroud?

1379
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: Was the Bears who had the number one pick, and

1380
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: they could have potentially taken Stroud as well. I wonder

1381
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: if they've had any restless nights thinking they had the

1382
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: they were in the cat Birds.

1383
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 6: Seat, same team who chose Mitchell Kubisky over Patrick Mahomes,

1384
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 6: different regime, but absolutely, you know that's just happens to

1385
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 6: the Bears fans.

1386
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 7: It's all one continuum.

1387
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: All right.

1388
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: Let's move next to Sunday Night football.

1389
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: And the Sunday night football matchup.

1390
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, your team, I know, the New York

1391
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: Jets traveling to Vegas to face the Raiders.

1392
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: The Raiders coming off.

1393
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: Obviously a blowout of the Giants with Antonio Pierce as

1394
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: the head coach. So you know, we're not gonna mistake

1395
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: the Raiders now some type of fierce unit. But we'll

1396
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: see if they could continue the Basacia bump here another week.

1397
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: And the Jets are coming off obviously hideous Sunday or

1398
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: Monday night performance in which Zach Wilson and the offense

1399
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: completely floundered. This was let me throw it to some

1400
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: sound that happened So Robert Sala was on the Michael

1401
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: k Show on ESPN Radio yesterday Tuesday.

1402
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 2: But things have.

1403
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 10: Changed over three years, Robert. You've had different offensive coordinators

1404
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 10: before the change to hack it this year, and you've

1405
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 10: had different weapons around him. And the one constant is

1406
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 10: Zach and the one constant is last year he couldn't

1407
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 10: start over over Mike White. So first of all, this

1408
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 10: this shouldn't be litigated.

1409
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: Now.

1410
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 10: I never understood with a thirty nine year old quarterback,

1411
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 10: why a guy who couldn't start last year was the

1412
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 10: first line of defense if he went down. You've got

1413
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 10: Trevor simeon Uh in your building, Why why not give

1414
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 10: him a try?

1415
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: No, I gotsh not again the fair question. And you

1416
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: know it's like I.

1417
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 4: Said, he.

1418
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm gonna on all this one.

1419
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's a tough, tough, tough, tough

1420
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: look for Salad, and it makes you wonder if he

1421
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: has any decision making when it comes to his own quarterback,

1422
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: which is a very bad look.

1423
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: And the one thing I'll say, Greg I listened.

1424
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 6: To that whole thing though, And that was the second

1425
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 6: time he asked the question, and the first time he

1426
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 6: answered the question, and then the second time he was like,

1427
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 6: what more am I going to say? So I just

1428
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 6: think that what he just said it was not just

1429
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 6: all the same stuff. It's it's it's not all Zach,

1430
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 6: you know, it's it's offensive line. We're looking at things.

1431
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 6: It's coaching, like we need to do a better job.

1432
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 6: He needs to do a better job. But does he

1433
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 6: went through the whole Rigamar role and in the second

1434
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 6: I just mean then the second time he was just

1435
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 6: kind of like, that's the thing.

1436
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 7: I played the fit. That's fair. I think any interview

1437
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 7: deserves that. Listen.

1438
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 5: I like that, But does he strike you as kind

1439
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 5: of like empowered or a little bit flummings and stuck

1440
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 5: in a corner.

1441
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 4: I think his hands are tied, and I think that

1442
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 4: he can't move away from Zach Wilson. And I think

1443
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 4: that either Joe Douglass or Woody Johnson is forcing him

1444
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 4: to play Zack Wilson.

1445
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's I don't necessarily think that's the case,

1446
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: only because they did bench Wilson last year. I wonder

1447
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: if he's saying that and he feels boxed in because

1448
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: they did such a bad job with the setup and

1449
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: that Trevor Simeon is the backup, and it's like, Trevor Simeon,

1450
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: it's the last time that guy did anything in the league,

1451
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: and they're seeing him every day in practice, and he

1452
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: might think, man, everybody's telling me to put in Trevor Simeon.

1453
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: That guy's worse than the starter.

1454
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: And that goes back to the team's failure to bring

1455
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 1: in a true competent backup behind Rogers and then once

1456
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: again behind Wilson. So I I feel badly for Sala

1457
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: when I listen to that, because I understand that it's

1458
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: a very stressful gig and he's definitely in a very

1459
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: tough spot. At the same time, I just I can't

1460
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: believe this is where the season is.

1461
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: Now We'll see. I have a very bad feeling about

1462
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: this game, Colleen.

1463
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: I think if as a Jets fan, I think the

1464
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 1: Raiders with their pass rush with Max Crosby playing at

1465
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: home still, you know, feeling a lot better with McDaniels

1466
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: out the door, I would not be surprised if they

1467
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: get after Wilson and cause a lot of trouble and

1468
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: turnovers and the Raiders keep rolling.

1469
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that kind of feels like the vibe going

1470
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 4: into the game, especially with Antonio Pierce, who the Raiders

1471
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 4: if they if they can continue winning this way, like

1472
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 4: they could have been a candidate for a team of

1473
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 4: at like that. So agree with you because they have

1474
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 4: that same type of vibe and Antonio five.

1475
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: And five if they win by the way, which is

1476
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: crazy exactly.

1477
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I think the thing that I

1478
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 4: worry about what the game is the Jets front four.

1479
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 4: I think have a nice opportunity going up against Aidan

1480
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 4: O'Connell like they were in justin Herbert's face non stop

1481
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 4: in that game. They sacked him five times. Bryce Huff

1482
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 4: was awesome, but like O'Connell has been pretty good at

1483
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 4: decision making and not making mistakes. So I wonder if

1484
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 4: that changes with the Jets in his face all night.

1485
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 5: I think that the Raiders are this like interesting study

1486
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 5: in like the human aspect of all this that we

1487
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 5: can't measure. There's no way to measure this, uh and

1488
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 5: like in the course of a week, and I think,

1489
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 5: you know, I was down on the Josh McDaniels experiment

1490
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 5: going back a year ago. We all were that it

1491
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 5: was overt It was a visually a negative feast, but

1492
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 5: in the course of a week, like I think this matters.

1493
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 5: I think it matters because Antonio Pierce comes in and

1494
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 5: it's like, I know it was the Giants, but the

1495
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 5: Giants defense was productive the last couple of weeks. It

1496
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 5: wasn't like they were a total disaster. You got a

1497
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 5: better game from Aid and O'Connell. Antonio Pierce went on

1498
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 5: the record saying he spent the entire week with the

1499
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 5: offensive line, which is a group that they didn't really

1500
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 5: add pieces to and was hot and cold and mostly cold.

1501
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 7: Better Josh Jacobs looked like the old Josh Jacobs.

1502
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 5: And then I'm sorry, this matters to me that after

1503
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 5: the game and we all saw the visuals You've got

1504
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 5: Raider like the old school Raiders vibe of them smoking cigars,

1505
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 5: celebrating with each other, that he brought the practice squad

1506
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 5: to the game, It's like, somehow this feels like a

1507
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 5: team again, and they escaped a disaster situation with the

1508
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 5: record they have, and I kind of think, like, you know,

1509
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks I said the Jets of this

1510
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 5: magical team. Now they're in a rough place. It's like,

1511
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that game I know, but I'm not

1512
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 5: saying the Raiders so that, but like the feeling feeling

1513
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 5: around the Raiders went from like total darkness to who

1514
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 5: knows what these players can do?

1515
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 7: You have good players on this team.

1516
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 5: I just I wonder what the results that if that

1517
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 5: carries over beyond one week, we'll see.

1518
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 7: That's the study.

1519
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 6: I mean, these two teams are very much in the

1520
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 6: soft middle of the NFL. They're both a little lucky

1521
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 6: to have the records that they have. I think the

1522
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 6: Jets are, I think the Raiders are, but I'm probably

1523
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 6: gonna pick the Jets in this game. The fired coach principal,

1524
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 6: maybe that lasts more than one week.

1525
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 7: Maybe it doesn't.

1526
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 6: I like the Raiders last week and getting that bump,

1527
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 6: but the Jets defense is still by far the best

1528
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 6: thing in this game, Like by far, if they had

1529
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 6: applied that pressure to most any other quarterback other than

1530
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 6: Justin Herbert the other night, like they might have won

1531
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 6: that game, like Haff Franklin, Myers, Jermaine. Like they're getting

1532
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 6: everything that they want. Even O'Connell's time to throw last

1533
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 6: week was crazy. It was two point one three was

1534
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 6: like he's just getting the ball out. So that was promising.

1535
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 6: They have a new offensive coordinator by the name of

1536
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 6: Bo Hart Agree. I just wanted to say that name

1537
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 6: was not familiar with. Bo heart agrees.

1538
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 2: Post like Jackson or bow like Bridges Jackson.

1539
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 7: I believe that's good.

1540
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 6: And the Jets can't run the ball like the Raiders defense.

1541
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 6: They're playing hard. The Jets can't run the ball like like.

1542
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 6: They're among the worst teams in the NFL in terms

1543
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 6: of success rate running, so like that's not helping Zach

1544
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 6: Wilson either. But their defense is better than anything that

1545
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 6: the Raiders got going. And I'm hoping they win, not

1546
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 6: only because I'm going to pick them up, because it's

1547
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 6: a Sunday night game. So it's like, I want to

1548
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 6: end this recap show on a high. We've to We've

1549
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 6: had some high Jets moments, some low Jets moments, Like

1550
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 6: it's another one where they're just like right back in

1551
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 6: the spot.

1552
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the defense.

1553
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: The only way the Jets can win right now is

1554
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: if the defense creates turnovers that set up short fields.

1555
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: They have something like five touchdowns in the last six weeks,

1556
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: and three of them were one yard or one play drives,

1557
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: oh off turnovers and that nature, so it's authetic.

1558
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: What's happened with the offense is as bad as it's

1559
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 2: ever been.

1560
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: All Right, Monday Night Football, Denver Broncos traveling to Orchard

1561
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: Park to face the Bills. Bills lay in seven and

1562
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: a half points of wood. I want to say Mark

1563
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: that the Bills are set up well here to get

1564
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: a W and get back on track again. But I've

1565
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: reached the point where with Buffalo where I just don't

1566
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: know what to expect week to week. And Denver has

1567
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: certainly been better since their very ugly start and when

1568
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 1: they bottomed out against Miami. So it would not stun

1569
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: me if this game is actually a competitive.

1570
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 7: I'm with you.

1571
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 5: I think the Broncos have transformed a little bit. I

1572
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 5: need to see more to be super convinced of that,

1573
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 5: but losing uh knocks at tight end I think has

1574
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 5: changed this offense a little bit, where yes, we're seeing

1575
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 5: an uptick in like Dalton Kincaid's production, but like, if

1576
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 5: you look at what they're doing, they're kind of running

1577
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 5: like a ton of like two wide receiver two wide

1578
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 5: receiver sets NonStop at like a high rate. And I

1579
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 5: think that this is a Bills team that is like

1580
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 5: kind of like last week, it's like why in the

1581
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 5: in the past, what I loved about the Bills in general,

1582
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 5: and I'm not saying it as well as I wanted.

1583
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 5: It was like, let Josh Allen just go do what

1584
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 5: he wants, and he's gonna make mistakes, but you're also

1585
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 5: gonna get like these high ceiling high versions and moments

1586
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 5: and drives where it's like he's gonna do something that

1587
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 5: no one else in the league can do in his

1588
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 5: own way. And I feel it's all just like the

1589
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 5: rains have been pulled back a little bit right now,

1590
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 5: and it's like they you know, they're not like to

1591
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 5: go out and do it against all odds kind of offense.

1592
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 7: They've been pulled back a little bit.

1593
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 5: I think with what they're doing schematically, I think they've

1594
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 5: they're a little safer. That's maybe trying to make Josh

1595
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 5: Allen a little bit of a safer player, which is

1596
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 5: like exactly what I I'm just saying. I see that.

1597
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 5: That's my feeling around them. I wouldn't do that with

1598
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 5: Josh Allen, and like the running game is not helping

1599
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 5: them out. I don't know, Like to me, I'm with you,

1600
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 5: Dan like they're a mystery team to me, and like

1601
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 5: their floor concerns me. Like I kind of think that

1602
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 5: it was Nick Wesley who said it weeks ago before

1603
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 5: most people were that, like, I don't know if they

1604
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 5: make the playoffs.

1605
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 7: They don't look like.

1606
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 5: They I know, like you can go look at their

1607
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 5: EPA and their metrics and they're still sitting at like

1608
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 5: one and two and everything. It's like that's someone my

1609
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 5: eyes are telling me right now. I know they had

1610
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 5: that month of dominance, but it's like I see a

1611
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 5: team that is like an if he bet right now,

1612
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 5: a total if you bet.

1613
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 7: I hate that.

1614
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 6: The head coach, John mcdermot's just been it. He does

1615
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 6: these little passive aggressive grumblings about the offense, and he

1616
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 6: did it back in the past. It's just it's just

1617
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 6: little things like we got to look into that, like

1618
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 6: we gotta And for the first time, maybe The Athletic

1619
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 6: wrote about this. Josh Allen was asked about like why

1620
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 6: wasn't Gabe Davis involved And they had done such a

1621
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 6: nice job playing fast with a hurry up against Tampa.

1622
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 6: Houckeme that they didn't do that against Atinnetti, and he

1623
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 6: sort of gave the like, well, you got to ask

1624
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 6: the coaches that that sort of thing, which Ken Dorsey

1625
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 6: was his guy. So there's this grumbling and I'm just thinking,

1626
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 6: like McDermott, when was the last time your defense, And

1627
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 6: I know there's been injuries, had a freaking turnover or

1628
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 6: a big play, and some of that's luck, but they've

1629
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 6: had like one turnover in five weeks and von Miller's

1630
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,520
Speaker 6: kind of killing them.

1631
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 4: He's got the injuries too, like that, sure, but they

1632
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 4: had no depth.

1633
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 6: They had this whole thing like von Miller's gonna come

1634
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 6: back and that's gonna juice our pass rush. Von Miller

1635
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 6: right now is one hundred and twelve out of one

1636
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty three PFF qualifiers. He has one QB

1637
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,799
Speaker 6: hit and one hundred and three snaps since he's returned

1638
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 6: in four pressure. So you're getting not just like not

1639
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 6: von Miller, but you're getting hugely negative play by von

1640
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 6: Miller and the defense is just kind of there. I

1641
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 6: think this is a dangerous game. The Broncos have been

1642
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 6: a little better in general. I think then people realize

1643
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 6: on offense they're pretty good running team. They don't turn

1644
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 6: the ball over. There like a solid enough offensive.

1645
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 4: Time, and they're coming off of bye too, two weeks

1646
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 4: to prepare for this game. Yet two straight wins the

1647
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 4: Packers and then the huge game for them against the Chiefs.

1648
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 4: But the Bills offense is the thing that I just

1649
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 4: can't I can't figure out. They have no rhythm. And

1650
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,799
Speaker 4: they finally started fast because it was the slow starts

1651
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 4: that were really getting to them. They weren't scoring in

1652
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 4: the first quarter, especially not on the first drive. They

1653
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 4: did that and then it was like then they then

1654
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 4: they cut everything. The wheels fell off again and it

1655
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 4: was like they were mia. So it's that and then

1656
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 4: Josh Allen I thought the last Thursday Night that they played,

1657
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 4: so I guess that was two weeks ago.

1658
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're living in prime time right now.

1659
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 4: Moments exactly. There were moments in that game where Josh

1660
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 4: Allen looked like the old vintage Josh Allen that Cessler

1661
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 4: was talking about, where he was kind of just like

1662
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 4: freelancing and run around and do making these plays that

1663
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 4: we were used to seeing before. But we just haven't

1664
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 4: seen that because of whatever constraints they're under. There's just

1665
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 4: no rhythm. And the only thing that I really like

1666
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 4: about this game is that it's a Shawn showcase.

1667
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 7: Which we get a lot of a lot of Sewan

1668
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 7: head coaches. Yeah, McVeigh it is.

1669
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 6: You know, it's a big spot for Peyton two weeks

1670
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 6: to go beat McDermott, show us something Sean's.

1671
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: There's a lot of bad blood because there could only

1672
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: be one.

1673
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 5: It's a name that's largely vanished from the like the landscape,

1674
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 5: you know, among younger people, there're a lot of Shawn's

1675
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 5: out there.

1676
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: So like two old dinosaurs, these old t rex is

1677
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: just fighting it out on the great planes, only one

1678
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: could remain.

1679
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 7: Just like that. I mean, we've got Sean Kelly behind

1680
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 7: you know the glass. That is true. The young man youngish,

1681
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 7: but he's the.

1682
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 4: Last of them, and he knows that he's got How

1683
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 4: old is Big Sean.

1684
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: Big Shawn.

1685
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: He's probably in his late thirties at this point. You

1686
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: had a former w WF champion, Shawn Michaels.

1687
01:14:59,160 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 7: But how old is he?

1688
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: He was a Shawn so oh, whole different breed.

1689
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: Yikes, different breed. All right, there you go, Primetime football

1690
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: and Colleen, you've said it all.

1691
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 4: I have. I have no more words to give anyone.

1692
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 2: Does anyone else have more words? To give.

1693
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 4: Oh you know what, I do want to say shout

1694
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 4: out to the listener, the ATN listener who sent me

1695
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 4: a message on It was either Twitter or Instagram, and

1696
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 4: it was during the our show that started last week

1697
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 4: at four am West Coast time, and they just said, hey,

1698
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 4: loosen up. We like the Connie on ATN. And I

1699
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 4: was like, that's that's great, that's good. But it was

1700
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 4: a good reminder, different show, different assignments. Difficult to be

1701
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 4: this loose on that show. But you know what, I'm

1702
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 4: gonna try listen to compliment.

1703
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 6: And I like the Colleen on ATN too. I like

1704
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 6: the Colleen on NVIL Network.

1705
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 7: I don't.

1706
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 4: I don't like that Colleen. I like Connie better. I

1707
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 4: like to live in a Connie Land.

1708
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 5: So yeah, well, it's it's a tell on the you know,

1709
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 5: the the product, the channel that you're operating.

1710
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: Keep Connie in the tiny box. That's that's the push

1711
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: that we go for. And congratulations to the Minnesota Vikings,

1712
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: the team of around the NFL go wrong, Mary, how

1713
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: you feel?

1714
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 5: I feel great because I didn't tug everyone into this one.

1715
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 5: It's not you know, it's like I came. I was

1716
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 5: in the back seat on the right side, looking out

1717
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 5: the window and the highway going by.

1718
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 6: Well, but on some level, if it did go wrong

1719
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 6: your original choice of the vikings, I feel like set

1720
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:32,520
Speaker 6: a bad juju.

1721
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 7: On the whole enterprise.

1722
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: I think that's been unsaid, and that's absolutely true.

1723
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 7: You'll find a way to spin it. But this time

1724
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 7: my apathy is towering. So fine.

1725
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: So all right, that's it till Thursday, where we have

1726
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: our full preview of week ten and also our latest

1727
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: NFL Plus Trip to the Dreamatorium pre preview.

1728
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 2: This week, what are you waiting for? Heed?

1729
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 6: The call?

1730
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 4: H