WEBVTT - The DeBarge Effect (with Kevin Avery) RE-RELEASE

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<v Speaker 1>I would go as far as it says more than

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<v Speaker 1>one of them had a king at any given time,

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<v Speaker 1>because at one point it was just the thing to

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<v Speaker 1>be a dude in an R and B group and

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<v Speaker 1>have a ca I bought one from my brother for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it was a rite of passage for

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<v Speaker 1>just the young black dudes at the time. A brother,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you need a king and he he might

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<v Speaker 1>still have it. I just saw him yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have asked, I pray to God you kneeled

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<v Speaker 2>when you handed it off during I want that more

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<v Speaker 2>than anything.

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<v Speaker 3>My chips in yours are.

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<v Speaker 2>Racist layers, money.

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<v Speaker 3>Turned stuff I.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't tell me. Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama.

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<v Speaker 2>Told the podcast when we dive deep, deep into the

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<v Speaker 2>pockets of black conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 4>And we finally worked to prove that Kyler Pratt did,

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<v Speaker 4>in fact sacrifice her television father flex Alexander's career two

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<v Speaker 4>of the Black Illuminati, in exchange for eternal youth.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds right to me, I'll be honest, that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>exactly right. Kyla Pratt has not aged a day since

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 4>She looks amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>She looks fantastic and something had to have happened. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't see the same girl from Loving Basketball forever?

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<v Speaker 4>Where's Flex? He was on a rocket ship to the Moon.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen him since.

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<v Speaker 2>You know he was in If I'm remembering correctly, he

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<v Speaker 2>was in Snakes on a plane.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm not mistaken, who wound up briefly in that

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<v Speaker 4>I was on a plane briefly. That's no barometer for success.

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<v Speaker 2>This easily could have been a Flex Alexander hologram or Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Which one was Washington or Alexander flex Alexander.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe he was Flex Washington on the show on one?

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<v Speaker 2>Why why do that? Why not pick a full different

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<v Speaker 2>name if you're gonna be in a multi cam on

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<v Speaker 2>upn Why why why commit so hard?

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<v Speaker 4>I think you want the name Flex is what's going

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<v Speaker 4>to travel Alexander Washington. It's all very interchangeable, but Flex

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<v Speaker 4>is what they want us to remember.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, Alexander is my slave name, but Flex, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Washington is my lesser slave name.

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<v Speaker 2>Washington it's my chosen slave name. If I have to

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<v Speaker 2>choose a slave name, I want the best slave owner.

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<v Speaker 4>I E Washington. No, they had dental the Washington. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's a good family. Yeah, it was a solid family,

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<v Speaker 4>solid slave owner.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to the slave owner in Washington's if you're

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<v Speaker 2>still out there, Hell yeah, you got it, baby, you're

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<v Speaker 2>the best.

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<v Speaker 4>What are we one minute in? All right, I'm dreaming.

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<v Speaker 2>Board and I'm your co host, Langston Carman. We're so

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<v Speaker 2>happy to be here with you. We're we're talking shit

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<v Speaker 2>about uh apparently flex flex Alexander and and Kyler Pratt

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<v Speaker 2>and George Washington a little bit. But but let's see

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<v Speaker 2>him for some reason. But our guest today, I would

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<v Speaker 2>dare to say that that he hasn't owned any slaves,

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<v Speaker 2>nor it would he would he well, I think he'd

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<v Speaker 2>go so far.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, maybe maybe he would. He's not certain. He's wavering

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<v Speaker 4>on the subject. But he's such a.

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<v Speaker 2>Funny comedian, hysterical. You've seen him in so many things. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a a writer producer for The Great North

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<v Speaker 2>on Fox, so fucking funny. Please give it up for

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<v Speaker 2>our guests, mister Kevin Avery, how are you. We're excited

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<v Speaker 2>you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go no on on the slave owning. Damn,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna make that official. Yeah, Okay, this feels put.

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<v Speaker 4>It on watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to be on the on the right side

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<v Speaker 1>of things, you know. I feel like I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>slave owning is a dangerous, dangerous precedent.

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<v Speaker 5>To start to show it out there now.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be a weird way to start the episode

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<v Speaker 2>and expect people to eventually be on your and.

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<v Speaker 4>Then just.

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<v Speaker 5>Go back to the part where he said he don't slaves.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, hear me out, Yeah I do own slaves, but yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm good. So noticed slave voting and that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>To each his own. A is what I always say.

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<v Speaker 2>But you came to us this week with a conspiracy theory,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm I say you, but the truth is this

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<v Speaker 2>is a bit of a unique episode because you did not,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact come to us with its conspiracy theory. You

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<v Speaker 2>came to us with an open heart. You said, you said,

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<v Speaker 2>if you fellas have something you want to discuss, I

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<v Speaker 2>am more than open to to taking that on. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not afraid of what possibly could come down the pipeline.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Bori immediately raised his hand. He could not

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<v Speaker 2>have raised his hand faster. Kevin, I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>know how quickly this happened. Unbelievably fast. He raised his

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<v Speaker 2>hand with a conspiracy theory that I would argue is

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the most unfounded thing that we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>take on in this in this conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>Ever, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, already starting with the look, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>say this on the and you haven't said it yet.

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<v Speaker 5>This was a theory.

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<v Speaker 1>That I I definitely was riding with for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you for a minute, and then then

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<v Speaker 1>I really thought about it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean, I just want to note that we're

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<v Speaker 4>five minutes in, like Sin has already positioned me in

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<v Speaker 4>the position of the buffoon. Who oh of the wild card. Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>this is episode my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so so now now there's a hierarchy being formed.

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<v Speaker 5>Have I walked into some unsettled ship that?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? For me? Personally? This goes back to before grade.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a life long.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this, I will say this too about the

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<v Speaker 1>theory you chose it hit me right right here his

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<v Speaker 1>heart not.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know that you have skin in the

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<v Speaker 4>game personally, That's why I chose it for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, okay, I appreciate that. Let us let us

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<v Speaker 2>not linger any longer. Let us not leave our audience

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<v Speaker 2>with baited breath. The conspiracy theory that was presented. It

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<v Speaker 2>was my mama told.

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<v Speaker 4>Me life scan people are good at R and B.

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<v Speaker 2>M let's let's unpack it. Fellas David, this is yours,

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<v Speaker 2>this is your baby. I'd love for you to kick

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<v Speaker 2>us off. I just have felt throughout and I don't listen.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, I personally do not think that light

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<v Speaker 4>skinned people are better than dark skinned people at R

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<v Speaker 4>and B. I think that it's even whoa oh wait,

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's been a lot of I think there's

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<v Speaker 4>been a lot of dark skinned erasure in the R

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<v Speaker 4>and B game in general, just like I think, quite honest,

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<v Speaker 4>there's been a lot of fat eraser in the R

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<v Speaker 4>and B game as well as well.

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<v Speaker 6>Because we all remember Woody from Drew Hill. What happened Jazz?

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<v Speaker 6>What happen Jazz? Jazz was the heavier one, last king,

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<v Speaker 6>last of the thick kings. As far as could sing,

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<v Speaker 6>Ruben stuttered, But that was not Ruben stuttered. Wasn't making

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<v Speaker 6>like panty dropping.

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<v Speaker 4>He tried, well, he had a small.

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<v Speaker 5>Window in a moment. He had a moment he did Yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was I'm sorry for two thousand and four that was not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, here's what I'll say is that Ruben really

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<v Speaker 2>he tried a little bit of everything that is the

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<v Speaker 2>formula of R and B. He apologized, he he made love,

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<v Speaker 2>and he walked in the rain, and none of it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to satisfy the missing piece, which was us looking

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<v Speaker 2>at Ruben Stutter and being like, yeah, I'll buy that album. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take what you're giving me, big dog.

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<v Speaker 4>Big deal. Yeah. I don't even know if he did.

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<v Speaker 4>Did he win? I don't know, Yes, Ruben Stutter did.

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<v Speaker 4>He did win.

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<v Speaker 2>Clay Agin got second place and now is running for

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<v Speaker 2>governor I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what office he's run for. I know

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<v Speaker 1>he's been a politician for for some time now.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, but back back to this, back to back,

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<v Speaker 4>back back to what really matters, the hard hitting stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I've just felt like my whole life there's always been

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<v Speaker 4>this like light skin predisposition to sexy stuff, and then

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<v Speaker 4>dark skin we got like I didn't want to play

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<v Speaker 4>offensive linemen a weight thing. Yeah, but like all the

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<v Speaker 4>DB's light skins, they remallo. I remember him specifically basically white.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'll say this.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's ever asked me to play offensive line, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have to assume that's because of the color of

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<v Speaker 2>my skin.

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<v Speaker 4>It's across their mind, like did you play power forward? Ever? No,

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<v Speaker 4>of course not. No.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't because I was smaller than everybody else and

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<v Speaker 2>had to play point guard.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think so. I think it's probably because I'm

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<v Speaker 4>light skin. That makes more sense. Has anybody ever come

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<v Speaker 4>up to you and been like, you seem like you

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<v Speaker 4>could sing? They have it.

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<v Speaker 2>But but also I had my voice the whole time. Kevin,

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<v Speaker 2>please jump in here.

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<v Speaker 5>I have had that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a weird thing where a couple of times

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<v Speaker 1>white women have been like, I want to hear you sing.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you could sing, And I'm like, who, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say I could sing, right, I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't. I didn't really put that out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, not not back when this was happening a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, that's definitely you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll say this, I did play linebacker when I

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<v Speaker 1>played football in junior high.

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<v Speaker 4>What's a multipurpose position? Though, that's an anybody can be

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<v Speaker 4>a linebacker.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, all right, fair enough?

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<v Speaker 1>And also I was the yeah, I was the only

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<v Speaker 1>black kid in the in the school at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>aside from my brother. So I mean they went with

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<v Speaker 1>the darkest one for so I guess I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Proving your point.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying I tried out for a wide receiver and

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<v Speaker 5>I did not get that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, they were like, we need a bet a tough

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<v Speaker 4>guy position. You. Also, I know this about you. You

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<v Speaker 4>were in an R and B group. I was, Oh

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<v Speaker 4>my gosh, hold on, wait a minute. That's how they

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<v Speaker 4>get you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how they get you. This is, if nothing else,

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<v Speaker 2>helping David towards this point. So please tell us more

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<v Speaker 2>about this R and B group you were a part of.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I didn't say we were good, but that we

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<v Speaker 1>were we were all right, And I'm gonna say we

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<v Speaker 1>were called uh, we were called four now with the

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<v Speaker 1>four with the number four and now and even though

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<v Speaker 1>there were six of us, that was a gross error.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an accident, a miss We were mistitled miss

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<v Speaker 1>labeled before a show, and that just was the name

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<v Speaker 1>we stuck with. Yeah, we were, but they were like

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<v Speaker 1>I think there were out of the gate, three dark

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<v Speaker 1>skin cats and three light skin okay in the group.

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<v Speaker 5>So when split down, sit down, center.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. But now here's my question. When you were performing,

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<v Speaker 4>I assume your group dances and things of that nature,

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<v Speaker 4>where were the lights standing in position in comparison to

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<v Speaker 4>the darks.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it depended. You know, it's a group, you

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<v Speaker 1>mix it up and stuff. I can tell you this.

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<v Speaker 5>The first performance we did, we covered can You Stand

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<v Speaker 5>the Rain. I was in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a light skinned man made that song, by the way.

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<v Speaker 4>He was in the middle. By the way I was

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>The two dark skin men wrote that song.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. That's that's a lot of That's

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<v Speaker 2>a song that's almost exclusively been performed by dark skinned people.

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<v Speaker 4>But go ahead, finish. Written written as doesn't count who

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<v Speaker 4>sang for who wrote freaking you? Nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say this on that song. The leads and this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is why I'm going against your theory. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the leads were all the dark skin dudes, and well

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<v Speaker 1>and and the In new addition, it's it's Treasvent, Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>bell and and Johnny gill uh in our group. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was all three of the dark skin dudesang the

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<v Speaker 1>leads on the park.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, and the.

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<v Speaker 5>Rest of us sang back up.

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<v Speaker 1>I told everybody, hey, y'all, let's go get wet. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was I did. I did that in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the song. Uh, and that was and that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then did a little bit some choreography and sang

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<v Speaker 1>the backup.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so you stood in the middle and sang backup?

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<v Speaker 2>How that's this is confusing?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because remember there are six of us, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>all all the whole regular game plan just goes out

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<v Speaker 1>the window. So I can't remember exactly where everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>was lined up, but I think there was a dark

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<v Speaker 1>skinned dude on my on my left, you were flanked

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<v Speaker 1>by dark I think I was flanked by dark.

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<v Speaker 4>Skin, almost like some type of a security detail.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they were trying to protect me at all,

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<v Speaker 1>protect the light skin.

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<v Speaker 4>We gotta keep the money safe, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we like it became this very interchangeable thing

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<v Speaker 1>where we broke up and we came together and there

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<v Speaker 1>were only three of us for a minute, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there were four of us and and you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>the ratio of light skin to dark skin it kept changing.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, what would you say the ratio was at your

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<v Speaker 4>most successful? Oh? Whoa spicy question.

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<v Speaker 2>He's coming in hot, and I want you to be

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<v Speaker 2>careful when you answer this, because.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's such a loaded question.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't be closer to your throat.

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<v Speaker 5>What the hell man.

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<v Speaker 4>Look asking the real questions here.

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<v Speaker 1>Were the hardest interview I've ever had to do. This

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<v Speaker 1>for for now, twenty some odd years later.

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<v Speaker 4>Address the racial disparities from your R and B group

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<v Speaker 4>of twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, I would say, oh, oh shit, you know, no,

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<v Speaker 1>still half in half, still half in half, because because

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<v Speaker 1>they were eventually there, eventually worth four of us, and

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<v Speaker 1>by then we changed the name, but it was still

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<v Speaker 1>two dark skinned dudes and two light skin dudes.

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<v Speaker 4>And how dark are we talking on l like a

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<v Speaker 4>scale of Langston to myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was literally the dark skinned guy like Ron,

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<v Speaker 1>the other light skin cat was about Langston's complexion.

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<v Speaker 5>And then my man Corey, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't do that, you can't do that. I just

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<v Speaker 4>I just like to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to hear if there's somebody else out there

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<v Speaker 2>doing the baby's all right.

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<v Speaker 5>Someone else making it happen. Light skin, keep selling the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>But then and then Corey, yeah, David, he was about

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<v Speaker 1>It was about your complexion.

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<v Speaker 5>Corey and Patrick. Corey, Patrick was a little younger or younger,

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<v Speaker 5>a little lighter than you.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, people do conflate younger and lighter a lot. Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, dark brother is hurt today. Uh so,

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<v Speaker 2>so so tell me a little bit more. You you

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<v Speaker 2>start this R and B group, is that the goal?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you guys going to be like R and B

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<v Speaker 2>superstars or was this just like a fun Hey?

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<v Speaker 4>It was?

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<v Speaker 1>It was We were a dance crew to start, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to remember the race again.

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<v Speaker 5>That was split down the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>There were there were four of us in a dance crew,

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<v Speaker 1>and then some of us in like sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>outside crew of that joint. We started singing together. But

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<v Speaker 1>even in the dance crew, two light skinned, two dark

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<v Speaker 1>skin cats and so.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would argue that that dance crew with black

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<v Speaker 2>that's Korean eraser. If you ask me, those job.

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<v Speaker 4>They just got here, don't do that. Don't do that. Wait,

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<v Speaker 4>don't do that, don't do that. It's still in good,

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<v Speaker 4>fine Korean jobs they got they for the dance they

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<v Speaker 4>just got there wasn't there's a bunch now, but I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not there wasn't a bunch.

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<v Speaker 7>In like eighty eight of Korean Dance Cruise, right, No, No,

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<v Speaker 7>I would say, I would say, you're looking at I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know the history of the Korean dance Yo.

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<v Speaker 5>Trap me up, yeah, trap me up on some ship.

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<v Speaker 4>No. Every week. I finished this being really worried about

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<v Speaker 4>the things I've said.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, not mee.

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<v Speaker 3>E.

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<v Speaker 5>Langston just goes straight to sleep comfortably.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, I mean, yeah, it was we were

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<v Speaker 1>like this, We were like this little dance crew and

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<v Speaker 1>then we started hanging out and singing together, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were like, we should really take this seriously. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we started performing together a little bit and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we knew a guy who had some recording equipment

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<v Speaker 1>and I wrote music.

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<v Speaker 5>So I started writing some stuff. We started recording.

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<v Speaker 1>There was another guy who kind of would produce some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other stuff that.

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<v Speaker 5>We we sang.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we just started doing it and we yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>our goal was to kind of blow up and do

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<v Speaker 1>the whole the whole thing, but it just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>fell apart. We were all from different parts of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>We met in the South and so yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it just kind of flew apart. And also it was

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<v Speaker 1>at a time when that was kind of it looked

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<v Speaker 1>like that was about to go away, that whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>New Addition had come and gone, and even Bell BIV

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<v Speaker 1>Devaux was like hi bye for you know, like in

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<v Speaker 1>early nineties. Yeah, but they made such a huge splash.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they bounced and then it was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other groups that did that thing for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But it just felt like what we were trying to do,

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<v Speaker 1>we were trying to go for it wasn't gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go the way we wanted to.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you have likened yourself to like like an O

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<v Speaker 4>Town no H town.

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<v Speaker 2>Town, maybe the worst boy band in all the boy bands?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say you were you were just fucking awful?

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<v Speaker 4>That was That was my fault.

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<v Speaker 5>It was that was It took me. I had to reload.

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<v Speaker 4>That was bad. That was bad. That was really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say we were and I don't mean to,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were very New Addition esque when they were

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth of Us and then because then like when

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<v Speaker 1>the group was reduced, we had a much more bell

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<v Speaker 1>bit devoti ish sort of angle. I mean, there were

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<v Speaker 1>genuine hip hop heads in the group. So I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like not no shade against bell Bit's vote. But like

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<v Speaker 1>the hip hop we were doing was we were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to probably to our detriment, we were probably trying.

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<v Speaker 4>To be to y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Were trying to.

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<v Speaker 5>Experiment with ship and it sounded it didn't it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 4>So you were so you were you were past new

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<v Speaker 4>Jack Swing. You were like, yeah, yeah, it was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>but we played around with some of that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't know what we were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I go, I have some of the the demo

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<v Speaker 1>tapes that we did and I listened to that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like, who the hell let us? We had no friends.

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<v Speaker 5>No one said hey, hey, y'all, come here, come come.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me gather all six of you brothers around.

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<v Speaker 4>You're making a mistake here.

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<v Speaker 5>Fellas you know some of us. Some of it was good,

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<v Speaker 5>but a lot of it was like what the hell

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<v Speaker 5>were we.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you give? Can you drop a couple of song

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<v Speaker 4>titles just.

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<v Speaker 1>So we Yeah, we had something called and we're a

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<v Speaker 1>group that took ourselves and everything the moment too seriously.

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<v Speaker 5>One time we did was called the Experiment, and it

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<v Speaker 5>was literally just us.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that thing I was talking about, we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have like a a sort of like a

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<v Speaker 1>house or a club section, and then we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>like a straight hip hop section, and then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>know it doesn't music doesn't work that. Music doesn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It just doesn't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>We had another song called It's a black Thing? Okay, because.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a song called what was the black Thing?

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<v Speaker 1>It was literally, it was just what it's a black thing?

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<v Speaker 5>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the phrase of the moment, y'all, David, if

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<v Speaker 2>you got to ask, you'll never know, buddy, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>black thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to remember my first the first line of

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<v Speaker 1>my because that was just that was that was a

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<v Speaker 1>that was hip hop but with like a see this

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<v Speaker 1>is what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>It had kind of like.

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<v Speaker 1>A an up tempo, almost house beat, but we were

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<v Speaker 1>rapping over it, and then it had a we were

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<v Speaker 1>singing the hook.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of qualifiers here.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a whole thing. But I think I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to remember my I think that it was like BO

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<v Speaker 1>knows this, BO knows that, but BO don't know a

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<v Speaker 1>damn thing about the lyrics that a brother bring.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't remember the rest of the goddamn song.

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<v Speaker 4>Because inside out, it's wiggedy wiggedy way, how'd you know

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<v Speaker 4>you bought?

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<v Speaker 5>He bought our album?

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<v Speaker 4>You got that demo?

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<v Speaker 1>What was I can't, damn, I can't. I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>could remember the rest of it. It was the really ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me before we go to break. I have to ask,

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<v Speaker 2>because you started this this episode off by saying that

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<v Speaker 2>you did at one point believe in the conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 2>that that bory is laying down, And I have to

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<v Speaker 2>know how that came to be what you believed in.

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<v Speaker 4>What has changed since?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I did look into it, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>there and I saw a couple of articles about like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>why are about colorism and music and and specifically why

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<v Speaker 1>light skin performers do better? And the list was like Beyonce,

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Mariah Carey. You know, I was thinking of Chris Brown

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, you know, he popped with.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of the light some of those they blew her up,

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<v Speaker 4>some of those videos.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then the woman, I'm thinking, I'm forgetting

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<v Speaker 1>Alicia Keys, but then I I don't. Then I started

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about all the other artists that I mean, new

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<v Speaker 1>addition is mostly dark skin, and and the light Skin

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers are in the background, you know, like I was

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<v Speaker 1>a I was a Ronnie de Vaux, I was a

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Bivens, you know what I mean, like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out in the.

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<v Speaker 5>Back, do the harmon age. I just wanted to play ball,

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<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I Neo Akon, I think there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many more dark skinned kings.

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<v Speaker 4>You're spitting now.

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<v Speaker 1>Boys to men are a dark skinned group after seven? Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean here's what I think. I think what the

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:16.280
<v Speaker 1>light skin folks have or what they do, is they

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to rise above. I mean, there are

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<v Speaker 1>four people in Destiny's Child, four people in Destiny's Child.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow Beyonce just went all the way, you know what.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, cannibalized the whole ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, uh devote. Look, every new addition fan, male

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 1>or female will tell you the coolest cat in that

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<v Speaker 1>group is Ronnie Devout.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, Ralph is.

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<v Speaker 4>A close second.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Ralph man myself, but I'm a Bobby guy.

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<v Speaker 4>But I understand why that's talking for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, but there again, Bobby brown, dark skinned dude

0:24:56.400 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 1>left new new addition and then just went far.

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 5>Beyond what they were right. They were doing so nasty,

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so I think dark skinned folks have been,

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, putting it down in R and B for

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a while. But now but the light skin folks do

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>find a way to peek through there and and you.

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 5>Know, steal sometimes steal the shine.

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.880
<v Speaker 4>And what would that talent be? What would you call

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 4>that skill? Again? Be careful?

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.879
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, what about that break? When are

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 5>we going on to the fellas?

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you have to answer it. I'm happy

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>to throw the break.

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 5>I'm thirsty. I'm about to let me take this.

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Go ahead and take a SWI we're gonna take a break.

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 5>We'll be back with too hard he laughing, too damn hard.

0:25:48.280 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 4>And more, my mama told me. And we are.

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:16.359
<v Speaker 3>Back stop stop, I do are stop.

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're back here. We're back with more Kevin Avery more.

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:20.919
<v Speaker 4>My mama told me.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still talking about the possibility that light skin people

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:28.959
<v Speaker 2>are are inherently naturally God given good at R and

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:32.160
<v Speaker 2>b uh. That drop came to us from a listener

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 2>named Gary. Gary sent us that drop, and it seemed

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>very apt to play today given the conversation.

0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 5>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, something just occurred to me, some just occurred to me.

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if there we've seen a turn and that

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>back in the day, the birth of these girls, the

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>motown groups and stuff, if that's when the light skin

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 1>singers really had their day.

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.120
<v Speaker 4>Michael, we're talking a Smokey Robinson.

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.120
<v Speaker 5>I think I keep thinking about Smoky.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know those groups. I don't know

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the lineup of those groups that well, I don't, you know,

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>But with a temptation, who are the lights can catch?

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>And like the temptations, Michael was dark.

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, he made a choice that don't count.

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Michael slid into light skinism.

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was he learned. He learned it late in life.

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 4>There were no dark there were no light skin temptations.

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't think.

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 5>No, you know, I don't remember a light skin pip.

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:34.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't think there was a light skin pip.

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 5>I think it was smoky.

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Smokey is the best example I think anybody can come

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 2>up with. And he he had light eyes. So I

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.160
<v Speaker 2>feel like that's a that's a whole different type of person,

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 4>Yes, this is I'm not qualified to speak on that lights.

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 4>Being with light eyes feels like a different game than

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 4>what I'm playing. Do you know what I mean?

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Michael E Lee and Boris Kojo are not putting the

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>same okay, the same energy out in the world.

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 4>I think that's reasonable. I think it's Yeah. I think

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.120
<v Speaker 4>that's how I feel about like very physically fit, dark

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 4>skinned men and myself. Yeah, exactly. It's like you see

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 4>jam and Hansu without a shirt on. That's not that's

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 4>not Those aren't the worlds I'm going for.

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 2>No, we didn't have the same opportunities laid in front

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>of U.

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 4>No, Tay Diggs was in the theater.

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I see Michael Ealy around my neighborhood semi regularly, and

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I just seem suddenly it's just I feel like he's

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>my nemesis for no at all. The brother's never done

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.200
<v Speaker 1>anything to me, but I see him and I'm just like.

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 4>The eyes they are piercing. Yeah, and let me let

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 4>me break this down. I think a lot of this

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 4>work came from this is actually this is this is

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 4>good for my my personal story. I'm getting this right now.

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 4>I have a play cousin who is six years older

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 4>than me, who is light skinned with green eyes, oh

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 4>and sang on and being danced in all that Okay time,

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 4>and we would go to the mall and shit and

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 4>people would ask if he could sing and shit like that.

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 4>So I think that this may be, this may be,

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 4>this may be about light skinned people with green eyes.

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 4>For me, there we also had we also had another

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 4>girl that was around us all the time, and she

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 4>had blue eyes, but she was not as light skinned

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 4>as he was.

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 2>And I'm so happy I guess they hear you saying this,

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 2>because it does feel like now we're getting to the

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>root of where some of this this feeling is coming from.

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 4>Right that.

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 2>While I'm sure there's plenty of evidence, Kevin, as you

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 2>pointed out, there are some light skinned singers and performers

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 2>that that populate these sort of charts as they were,

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 2>there seems to me to be a pretty a pretty substantial,

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 2>if not heavier leaning ratio towards dark skinned people.

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Now I'm gonna say, I don't know, I don't

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 4>trust what you're saying right now, but I feel heavily

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 4>on the defensive for some reason.

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I took the time to look up you know, the list,

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>and I do think your point about Whitney Houston in

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the right lighting, they probably did a bunch of stuff

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 2>to make Whitney.

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 4>Look darker or rather lighter than she actually was. Oh,

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 4>they blew up a lot of people. I mean, I

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 4>think Jojo or Casey from Casey and Jojo Freaking he's

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 4>blasted with like all those videos. He looks like almost

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 4>light skin.

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Now, I'll say this about Joasy. Davante was light skinned, right, Yeah,

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>he's light skinned.

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 4>And he was the king of Jodason.

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 5>He was the Yeah, he was the brains behind the operation.

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but fellas, how'd that work out for him?

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 5>I didn't That's that's true.

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 4>That's true. Davonte had a run. Don't do that.

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 5>Don't do that this moment.

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's not see here and down Davante. They put

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 4>his name in the middle and then they kicked him out.

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 4>What do you want? What do you want them to like?

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 5>I don't think.

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 4>Well.

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 5>A couple of fun facts about jo Deasy. There's a

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 5>fifth member.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh is he fat?

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't.

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 5>I've never seen him, but he's a guy.

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember his name, but he was on the

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>original the original demos of the songs that they recorded

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>that they took to Andre Herrel when they were all

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>going to go up to New York. He was he

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>was gonna go with him and his girlfriend got pregnant

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, well, hang back, bro, we're gonna

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>go up there take care of this business. I don't

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>know if he I think, let's to be fair, I

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>think he was like, I need to stay with my girl.

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>They were like, cool, we'll go handle this. It will

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>send for you when it's when it's all about to

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 1>go down. But Andre Heral was like, I like this,

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>this two sets of brothers thing. It's just gonna be y'all.

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 4>And that was that whoa, that's heartbreaking. Yeah.

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>And then and the other thing is that Davante I

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>believe at one point he was dating. I just thought

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>this was the weirdest thing. He was dating the daughter

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>of a you know, hardcore evangelist, one of the popular ones.

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 5>I think it was Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. No lady,

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 5>their daughter, Yo.

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 4>That guy that's like forever cements him being a legend

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 4>of me. That's the most amazing thing I.

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 5>Never heard that.

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 4>I know. I don't know.

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're both they were both from like Pentecostal churches,

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>so they were you.

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Know, before you celebrate too much I will say that

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 2>that is technically the formula to making a light skin

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 2>R and B singer is DeVante mushing into Jim and

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Tammy fay Baker mushing in Yep, which is another song

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 2>that I think was on Kevin's demo. Mushing In one.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 4>Of our big That was one of our big that

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 4>was That was an lipsies after It's a Black Thing Mushigan.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>When you're putting the album order together, you gotta go

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 2>It's a black Thing, mushing in, mushing In.

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to remember some of the other titles that

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't. There was a song called Stalking. It was

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 1>not about Nope, not about that. I did want to

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>say it, but it was it was about It was

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>like about It was a very militant pro black song.

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah, it was not about the other thing.

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>There was something called this sing. I wrote a lot

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of like romantic love ballads. I was

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>that dude just kind of floating around and the you know,

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>there are two kinds of R and B cruise. There

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:50.719
<v Speaker 1>are sexy there's the sexy boys and the sad boys.

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 5>And I felt kind of in between the you know

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 5>what I mean, like because like you have boys to.

0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:00.239
<v Speaker 4>Men, you were more boys to men. Yes, you were

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 4>wanted to be.

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>In addition, I was a sad boy, sad boy rising Yeah.

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean like, this is the thing that fascinates me

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>about the Boys to Men's trajectory is that they came

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>out at the same year as Jodasy. They were before Jodasy,

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I believe, and they were they'd hit their stride, yeah,

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and then Jodasy stepped out and just them overalls and

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing else and doing the whole thing, and everyone was

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 1>like who are they and Boyce to Men were still

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 1>on bended knee like hey hello, like just to watch.

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 5>The audience leave Boys to Men and go to Jodasy.

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 5>It was a very interesting.

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, I will say I think boys and Men played

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.919
<v Speaker 2>it right in that like Joasy took their shirts off

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and then boys and men were like, we'll put more

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 2>sweaters on. Yeah, we were double sweater cardigans on top

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>of cardigans. Yeah, we're not gonna play this game with

0:34:53.680 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you little tiny buff boys Jodas.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>You can't tie a bow tie, you know that's a point.

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, they weren't buff. They were all like skinny

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>ass dudes.

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 4>I think I will figure if it came down to

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 4>it physically, boys to men would give Joe to the

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 4>word I don't know about that didn't have this stick.

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Michael had this stick because he needed it because he

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 2>was in crippling pain walking around trying to sing. Yeah,

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>he had he had like some physical disease that like

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>made it so that he needed the cane and then

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 2>tried to didn't.

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know he was sick.

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>So one of the things I did think to research

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 2>in relation to this topic, and there isn't a lot

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 2>that I felt like I could really unpack.

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 4>This is this new territory.

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, one of the things that I found is that

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 2>research does show that in terms of anatomical representation representations

0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 2>and textbooks, one point one percent of the diagone rams

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 2>represented our dark skin tones, while eighty three point five

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 2>percent represented light skin tones.

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 4>Jesus, who are you talent? Who are you talent? I mean, yeah,

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 4>I seen one guy who looked like me on TV.

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 4>It was me.

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 2>You were the first in your entire life that you

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 2>saw on TV that looked like you.

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was big. On that episode of Martin

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Sure it was rock towards the end when he got thicker. Ah,

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 4>that's about it. Damn.

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:36.399
<v Speaker 1>This is how you're talking about big dudes and dark

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>skinned dudes.

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 4>Big dark yeah. Man, you on.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:46.399
<v Speaker 1>Love on Love had a big parenthood Gary Anthony Williams, Yes, yes,

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.879
<v Speaker 1>on Well his big key, I think his big thing

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>was his big start was Malcolm in the middle, you know. Yeah,

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.439
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, you're right, not a lot of No what's

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 1>his face the data on Family Matters, Carl wins Winslow,

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Carl Winslow, vel Johnson, I believe was his name.

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 2>It's it's something something Johnson. Yes, thank you, Reginald vel

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>john that's it.

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 4>There you go. But there's not I think that's where

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm coming from. Also, is that there's just not a

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 4>lot of representation, so you sweep it all together, you

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean?

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, And to that researcher's note in relation to this

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 2>textbook theory, not necessarily to what you're speaking to, but

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I imagine it has.

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.800
<v Speaker 4>Once again painting me in the corner.

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I think there's some correlation that you could create. The

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 2>researchers note that such skin color bias has a negative

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 2>impact on the health outcomes of people with dark skinned tones,

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 2>who may avoid or delay sexual education opportunities or clinical

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>care if they do not see themselves represented in the

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>recommended resources.

0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 4>I want it on WAX. I wanted about sex early, okay,

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 4>but the other things.

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's crazy that if you don't see yourself

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't then learn to see yourself die in sex textbooks.

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:16.919
<v Speaker 2>You then will will opt not towards like sexual health

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and responsibility, at least based on the research. And to

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the larger concern, if you're not seeing yourself be sexy

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 2>on TV, you will then not know the language or

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>how to apply the language of sexy in your your

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 2>other everyday shit.

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:35.399
<v Speaker 4>That's facts. Though I had to go out and get

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 4>it myself. You do have to like, like like to

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 4>that end. Like it was like, until I had been

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 4>sexually active for a bit, I had always viewed my

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 4>skin as a detriment because that's the only way it

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 4>had ever been. Like like not just the lack of

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 4>dark skinned people on television, but then to go to

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 4>the lack of like like seeing a super dark dude

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 4>get a girl on on TV is like seeing an

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 4>Asian dude get a girl on TV. It doesn't happen

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 4>very well, right, right.

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.560
<v Speaker 1>But then do you think that's potentially why and this

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>is a reach, like there are so many dark skinned

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>singers who at some point, let's just say, from the

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Joe to Ce point on, just leaned into the sexualization

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 1>of themselves and their music because it was something that

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>might not necessarily have been out there for a while.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can just I can just remember a

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>time when I to listen to to R and B

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 1>singers and being like, hey, y'all need to calm the

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 1>hell that we end up doing that. I'm sure you

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. But because they were all doing

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 1>every one of them was like, let me tell you what.

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:50.720
<v Speaker 5>I'm a dude. You you know, it's like hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm nineteen. Like wait a minute, y'all.

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 4>You know, like, yeah, I wonder that's a good question.

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.319
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's always been hyper sexualized black singer. So

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 4>you take it back to right, Teddy Pinographs when we

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 4>did concerts for women for a while. Right, Oh that's right.

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Wait, so that was a rule he made that like

0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't come to his concert if you want a woman.

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 4>Well that was his manager's chef Gordon being like, I

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.359
<v Speaker 4>believe it was shep Gordon. Somebody can quote me if

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.399
<v Speaker 4>I'm wrong, but that was his manager being like, that's

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 4>what we lean into one hundred percent.

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Whoa yeah, And I think it was like an invite,

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>like if you're a man, you could come, but.

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 4>What this ain't for you? Yeah, what do you think

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna do that?

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Teddy, p ain't talking to you. Yeah.

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.879
<v Speaker 5>One brother back their arms folded like all right, all.

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 4>Right, okay you want me? Yeah, fair enough.

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 2>So so I guess the question that I sort of

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.799
<v Speaker 2>have bory uh, and I'm directing this one at you,

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:58.959
<v Speaker 2>But Kevin, I'd love to hear your thoughts as well.

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Is given given what we know now, are you starting

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>to at least reconsider statistically the difference, what consider the

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:11.360
<v Speaker 2>possibility that this is more about treatment inside of it

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 2>than it is about the actual statistics of light skin

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.759
<v Speaker 2>people being naturally inclined for R and B.

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:22.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean, my whole life is a journey of learning.

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm open to that, you know what I mean. I'm

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 4>not gonna sit here. I think that I think that

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 4>a lot of these things about representation, though, I think

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 4>it lends people to telling young people which direction to

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:40.359
<v Speaker 4>move in because of representation where it's like, if you're

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 4>more inclined, maybe the visibility is there, but you're still

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 4>more inclined to think that this is this type of

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 4>thing for this type of person. I think that that

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 4>is the type of thing that children internalize a lot

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 4>exactly what I think. I think. I think definitely that

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 4>is the case.

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean, look, the whole reason I'm in a

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 1>singing group is because when I was a kid, my

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 1>mom saw a new edition on TV and was like,

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 1>look at these little kids singing, and I was like, oh,

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:15.279
<v Speaker 1>so little kids can do this, well, right, I mean,

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly how it happened. That's the only reason I was.

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:23.399
<v Speaker 1>I got excited about someday doing that. So yeah, I think,

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>but my I just I just wonder, because yeah, I

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>don't believe. I think it's the opposite. I think, you know, clearly,

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it seems like there are more dark skin singers popular

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>dark skinned singers than there are light skin and I

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>just wonder.

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 4>And that was the whole reason I brought this up.

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 4>You're not trapped in here with me. I'm trapped here

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 4>with you.

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 5>You want to be the way around.

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Me.

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm the victim, prisoner.

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I do think to that larger point, there is a

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 2>weird association even as a light skin person, now that

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>we are clearly the victim in this story. As a person,

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 2>it is that weird thing of people being like light

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 2>skin R and B singing motherfucker, and it's like, dog,

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:18.399
<v Speaker 2>it's only like three of us and one of them

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 2>is I'll be sure, like it's not. We're not hitting

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 2>great numbers here. Truly, John B was a white man.

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 2>He scammed y'all, like, yeah, he's not even he's not black.

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 2>He's just a lineup. You have yellow big Dog.

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 4>All for one, that song that that group all for one.

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Those were white guys.

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 5>They weren't.

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 4>Those weren't black.

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Dudessian even better, thought they were Asian.

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 5>I think I they'll quote me on it, but I

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 5>think they were Asians.

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I at one point thought New Kids on the Block

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:58.359
<v Speaker 1>was black because I heard that when I heard their

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 1>first that please Don't Go Girl and little Joey McIntyre

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 1>singing that false out, I just assume black.

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 5>First of all, there were no white kids.

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>There were no white guys out there doing that at

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 1>the time, So I just was like another singing group

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 1>black kids.

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 5>And then I saw him and I was like, what

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 5>is happening?

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not at all.

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.960
<v Speaker 2>In fact, one of them is at least a brother

0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>to a deeply racist man who's now become a lovely

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess actor and household name.

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 4>Who knows he.

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's weird on the street.

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:31.359
<v Speaker 2>But the point is, I think that some of this

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit coming from from our expectations of

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.759
<v Speaker 2>each other more than it is our actual knowledge of

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>each other.

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:40.879
<v Speaker 4>Right, right.

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>But to go even beyond that, there is a weird

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 1>thing where. I mean, look going back to the days

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:53.839
<v Speaker 1>of the Cotton Club, where in entertainment the light skin

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>folks were put out front, and so I think it's

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.320
<v Speaker 1>hard to sort of shake that, even if in the

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 1>current it's weird, like TV, TV, light skin music back

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>in the day, you know, light skin, But there's been

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.839
<v Speaker 1>this space in between that where it's been occupied by

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:15.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot of dark at least music in the music world,

0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.359
<v Speaker 1>it's been occupied by a lot of dark skinned folks.

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's that's one hundred percent fair. And

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 2>something that we can't we can't skip past, right, is

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>that there is a a priority placed on light skin

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.839
<v Speaker 2>performers in a lot of different spaces and.

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:37.359
<v Speaker 4>Especially more visual spaces, right, yeah, exactly, especially especially back

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 4>in the day music was a lot less visual, you

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, you didn't necessarily know what KC

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 4>looks like, but you didn't know what the new an

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 4>VIV looked like.

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. There there's a very intentional choosing of who will

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.319
<v Speaker 2>become our representation, and then it would be unfair to

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 2>not acknowledge that. But statistically Lutha van Drel's baby, that's

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the best that ever did it and darker than that thing.

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:03.799
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But you know, I mean I think also there's

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a component of a threat is more threatening when it's

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 1>visual and so on, you were gonna see more light

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:18.280
<v Speaker 1>skin you know, quote unquote non threatening folks on TV.

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:23.359
<v Speaker 1>They you know, I think White America was able to

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 1>look the other way. We're not worried about what these

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 1>R and B singers are doing. They're doing that thing

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and so and especially you know, music being as segregated

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>as it was for a long time, it was like, sure,

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 1>we ain't worried about it. And so you saw a

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of dark skinned artists breaking through and really not

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:45.560
<v Speaker 1>taking over, but just you know, they were everywhere the

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, dark skinned artists like you said, I don't

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 1>remember light skin due to the Temptations.

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 5>Or you know, the or whatever.

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:56.760
<v Speaker 1>And so it almost is like there was a time

0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 1>when the you know, the dude in the sky scraper

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 1>was like, let's just leave them to their own devices.

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a yuckier way. It also then reminds me

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 2>the transformation it makes, because I think you're absolutely right,

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 2>there was a period where they were just like the

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Four Tops, the del Phonics, the Temptations, They'll all be dark.

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:19.840
<v Speaker 2>We don't give a shit. That's their their stuff.

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 4>And then at some.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Point it became a and r's figuring out a way

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 2>to sell this thing, package this thing.

0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:27.319
<v Speaker 4>And it doesn't feel dissimilar to.

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Like the white rapper conversation. Right, yes, there are not

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 2>more white rappers, but the white rappers that make it

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:39.399
<v Speaker 2>get elevated in a way that makes you feel like, yo,

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:43.359
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck is happening? That makes it so that

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 2>they that, whether he's talented or not, there's no reason

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:52.479
<v Speaker 2>this individual should be so far ahead of everybody else

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 2>at his same level caliber whatever.

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 5>That's exactly it.

0:47:56.520 --> 0:48:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's similarly, you know, and I'm not

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 1>familiar with these groups. But I you know, I've heard

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>about this, the idea that in the fifties or sixties,

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>there would be the the you know, whoever out there,

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, insert whatever black scene group out there doing

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 1>their thing, and then they would find a white.

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, they'd give it a sort of mirror what

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 4>they did, yeah, exactly, and so well.

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so I mean I think I think, yeah,

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, the business side of music has always figured

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:37.279
<v Speaker 1>out a way to go, all right, let's let them

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 1>do their thing, and we're gonna elevate our people, and

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, and sort of it's what literally happened with

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>singing groups. It's what literally happened with I mean, there

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.880
<v Speaker 1>was no such thing as a boy band before nineteen

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>ninety just it wasn't a thing. And then new kids

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 1>in the block showed up, and white people have never

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:02.799
<v Speaker 1>really heard of this. What is it if there was

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 1>like boys and it's a boy band, I guess, right,

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>And now everybody who was in a singing group is

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 1>a boy.

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Band, right, because the nobody was calling the Beatles a

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:15.800
<v Speaker 2>boy band exactly. But it's the same formula of four

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 2>handsome guys and handsome for that time period. They're ugos

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 2>to me and always will be, but handsome for that

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:29.280
<v Speaker 2>time period got together and had women swooning over their

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:34.240
<v Speaker 2>their popular music. It's not like a foreign concept.

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 4>Right, So what I'm if I'm here, if I'm hearing

0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:42.799
<v Speaker 4>you fellas correctly, I think what we need today is

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 4>like an R and B group of like four ugly

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:54.520
<v Speaker 4>ass light skin dudes. I like this, okay, right, that's

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.320
<v Speaker 4>what we need to change the narrative. We need four

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<v Speaker 4>maybe old kind of ust it down, like yeah, because

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<v Speaker 4>they needed boys to.

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<v Speaker 2>Men body, boys to men bodies. I want them to

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<v Speaker 2>have C section scars under their eyes. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be real bad.

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<v Speaker 4>One's got acne like adult acne, and then the one's

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<v Speaker 4>got a dope braces.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've they've got to look like all the stages

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<v Speaker 2>of Little Wayne, uh, spread out across for four men, maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you know, uh, just for for shipping giggles. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them has a bluetooth in their ear at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe one of those belts, you remember those belts would

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<v Speaker 2>wear that light up and they say, with the name

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<v Speaker 2>plate that says your name across.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't this might this might go back to a

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<v Speaker 4>light skin dust. Now, come on, brother, we all want belts.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not have a name don't we had one? Okay, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't have one. Though I did not have one.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not have one. I did I didn't either.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought about what I would program.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, none of us, none of us have done horrible

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<v Speaker 2>things in our lives. We all we all made the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect choice.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's not you can't do that to me because

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't have a name plate belt. I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>why I think that's not fair. In the middle of

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle of my.

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<v Speaker 2>Civil rights speech, you went, well, I don't agree with

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<v Speaker 2>that part's.

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<v Speaker 4>Choice. I didn't have a digital nameplate belt. You can't

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<v Speaker 4>fault me for that, man. I got it. I understood

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<v Speaker 4>the look. You get a long sleep white tee with

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<v Speaker 4>like a rapper on it, you do a French dug.

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<v Speaker 2>French's right, But don't you dare call it a French duck.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't you go, hey, fellas, here's a French duck. No,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't tell people it's a French duck now.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I know I didn't know what you

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.200
<v Speaker 1>were talking about, and yet I knew exactly what you meant.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, I googled French talk not seven days ago.

0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:58.399
<v Speaker 2>I learned it from Tan french.

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<v Speaker 4>On uh unclear.

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<v Speaker 5>I somehow just knew it. I don't think that's good.

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<v Speaker 4>It's inherent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, it's inherent to know the French dug. It's

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<v Speaker 2>inherent for light skinned people to do R and B.

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<v Speaker 2>It's there are certain things that are just God made,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, look, I'm living proof I did it.

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<v Speaker 4>We all are living in my ear. Oh, I love it,

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<v Speaker 4>the whole deal. You did that. Langston had a name

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<v Speaker 4>plate belt and I played offensive line. There's a lot

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 4>of us are just we're just we're just living the

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 4>lives that we were. We're trying to we're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>get break out of our boxes. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is it does feel like those those Chooser

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<v Speaker 2>on adventure books where you're always gonna die, you know

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, You're never gonna make it to the

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<v Speaker 2>end and get in the rocket ship. Something bad was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. Well, Kevin, before we before we wrap this

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<v Speaker 2>thing up. And I think I think we nailed this

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<v Speaker 2>episode by that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think so. I think there should be a

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:03.360
<v Speaker 1>textbook and on that they should just transcribe this. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh he put it in a museum somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this question, because it sounds like,

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<v Speaker 2>was your brother a part of the group as well?

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:12.760
<v Speaker 4>Was that Were you guys in this together?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 1>He but no, but he did it weird thing where

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<v Speaker 1>like he then told me he had joined some group.

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<v Speaker 1>And I never got to the bottom of it, got

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 1>to the bottom of it. I just remember he one

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<v Speaker 1>I came home for like the holidays, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>like he was in college and he was like, yeah,

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.080
<v Speaker 1>they called me sexual chocolate And I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, whoa, Okay, You're like college is crazy, bro, That's

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<v Speaker 4>what he was like.

0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:44.359
<v Speaker 1>He was very excited about that, and I didn't want

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 1>to hear it, and but there we were stuck in

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that moment together. So he I think he did it

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<v Speaker 1>briefly and then it was it was not.

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<v Speaker 2>A He definitely took on the R and B character,

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<v Speaker 2>if not the actual R and B singing that you

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<v Speaker 2>did yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he went through a lot of that stuff,

0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Like he just sort of he's like, I'm gonna try this,

0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:07.839
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to try this, and then he went

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and like immediately after college, got a real job and uh,

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.239
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of house and got married and

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<v Speaker 1>did all the things.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess the larger question comedy. But I mean that's

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<v Speaker 4>because he got to live out his fantasy is sexual chocolate.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, true, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If I, if I wouldn't dumb old Langston Herman and

0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I got to be sexual chocolate, I probably out of

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<v Speaker 2>landed a little differently as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh are you kidding me? Bro, I'd be like, I'd

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<v Speaker 4>be one of the top regional sellers of garn Insurance.

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:42.120
<v Speaker 4>I'd be so sexual.

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<v Speaker 1>Chocolate would be on your name tag though, yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, or that'd be on the.

0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 5>Plaque that they give you for making your numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>It would also be on my digital digital readout there

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<v Speaker 4>you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the big question that I want to ask

0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:58.879
<v Speaker 2>is any regrets about the R and B group?

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<v Speaker 4>Where are you at?

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Intern of the full circle? You're a grown man, You've

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:06.399
<v Speaker 2>you've moved on, you make great comedy. Now, you do

0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:10.080
<v Speaker 2>all the things that are opposite of what this is. Is

0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:11.800
<v Speaker 2>there any part of you that's like this, This shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have been part of the journey.

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<v Speaker 8>But yeah, you are on Emmys like I mean, I

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<v Speaker 8>think about what I wanted then, and I go, well,

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 8>i'd be done by now, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I saw a new addition in

0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:29.719
<v Speaker 1>concert like a month or two ago. They are one

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:32.480
<v Speaker 1>of the few groups that's still just out there doing it.

0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 1>But I you know, I if our group had become successful,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we might have had a moment and then

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<v Speaker 1>we would have been gone, like a lot of groups,

0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:44.279
<v Speaker 1>and then I don't know what i'd be doing. Maybe

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:46.799
<v Speaker 1>i'd still be doing stand up, maybe i'd you know,

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:52.319
<v Speaker 1>But I think I try not to regret the trajectory,

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>even though I overthink it a lot. I think that's

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:57.839
<v Speaker 1>part of being in this business, being an artist. Maybe

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I should have done this, you know whatever. But but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I that was I got to live a

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:09.000
<v Speaker 1>dream for a minute, and now I'm on to doing

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:10.280
<v Speaker 1>other things and live in other dreams.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's beautiful. That's just beautiful.

0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.400
<v Speaker 2>That's a nice way for us to wrap this thing up.

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<v Speaker 5>And look, if all else fails, I'm still light skin, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey here it is, Tonstam.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I need to do and say, just.

0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Fine, I think we did it, y'all.

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:35.600
<v Speaker 4>Kevin could you tell the.

0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:37.799
<v Speaker 2>People at home where they can find you on what

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:39.160
<v Speaker 2>cool shit you have going on?

0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah you can.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of those people who's on Twitter, but some

0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 1>for some reason doesn't tweet. But I'm at Kevin Avery

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:50.240
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter if you want to follow nothing this otherwise,

0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 1>you can find me on Instagram at Kevin Avery Comedy.

0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 1>And The Great North is on Sundays at Fox at

0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 1>eight thirty. I think we're on hiatus now, but all

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:02.319
<v Speaker 1>are up so John Hulu, so go there and check

0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 1>out the show. And I'm even on the show from

0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 1>time to time. Look for my buddy Jarvis Dufrain and

0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:11.960
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>All these streets.

0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 4>Hit the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>Follow Kevin and obviously watch The Great North and then David,

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:21.880
<v Speaker 2>where can they find you?

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<v Speaker 4>What you got going on?

0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:25.919
<v Speaker 4>You know? Follow me on Instagram and cool guy Jokes

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 4>eighty seven. I sometimes post, you know things I've been

0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 4>grilling places I go stand up dates July twenty first,

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<v Speaker 4>they're twenty third. I'm gonna be at the DC improv.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know when this comes out, but I assume

0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:43.919
<v Speaker 4>around then. And other than that, you know, just hug

0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:45.760
<v Speaker 4>your people, have a good summer.

0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, have a good summer. Hug your people, go

0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:51.520
<v Speaker 2>see David perform live. And as always, you can follow

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.160
<v Speaker 2>me at Leaston Kerrman on all platforms and if you

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 2>want to send us your drops, your conspiracy theories, your

0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.360
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<v Speaker 2>send it to my Mama pod at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>We would love to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we did it.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye bitch the government, brown babies, my grown chips in

0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 4>your nabies.

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<v Speaker 5>All Kuala bears are racist.

0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 4>The layers money, our ships, many turkey stuff. You can't

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<v Speaker 4>tell me