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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre,

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Thursday, May the sixteenth. As you can

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Speaker 2: tell as little pep in my voice, my boys Dallas

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Speaker 2: to see it. Oh, I'm so fired up. Great and

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Speaker 2: to last night's MAVs victory. Celtics squashed the Calves. The

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Speaker 2: bigger story was the bombs that were dropped afterward by

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Speaker 2: the media on the Cavs season. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 2: a little bit, I'm gonna be honest. Schedule release came

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Speaker 2: out what eight o'clock on Wednesday evening. I tried to

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Speaker 2: get in a little run because we have a big

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Speaker 2: men'sley game tonight. It is a light light work that

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Speaker 2: I had to do the show for thing Dad's and

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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, and then I had to watch

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Speaker 2: doing much of that today and then tomorrow. Because there's

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Speaker 2: only one game tonight, I think tomorrow will go heavy

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Speaker 2: on the schedule. Obviously, I need to mention teams with

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Speaker 2: the most primetime games this year. Buckle up, Niners six,

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Speaker 2: Cowboys six, and the New York Football Jets the longest

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Speaker 2: playoff drought in the league and they got six primetime games.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, this is comical. But we know the

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Speaker 2: Niners have the highest win total, tied with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: The Jets are. People are optimistic about the Jets, and

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Speaker 2: I probably should try to get my buddy Adam Chernoff

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Speaker 2: some unbelievable Jets stats recently that were like, holy cow

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Speaker 2: eye opening stuff. I'm a believer in the Jets. Cowboys

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Speaker 2: will see. I think they take a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a dip back. Five play primetime games, Rams, Bengals, Packers, Lions, Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Dolphins, Eagles,

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Speaker 2: No surprise. If you look at the Super Bowl odds,

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Speaker 2: it's basically all those teams. And I just I don't

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Speaker 2: think we should be surprised. The NFL is going all

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Speaker 2: in on pushing the league out as far as possible.

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Speaker 2: And Rob g pointed out that there was a post

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Speaker 2: on this website awful Announcing and I don't usually talk

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Speaker 2: about them, and they covered the media a lot. They

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Speaker 2: don't like me, you know, they take shots at me

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Speaker 2: don't I just don't read their content. So Rob found

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Speaker 2: an interesting post where it was like, boy, with all

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Speaker 2: these games on Amazon Prime and Netflix, two games on

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Speaker 2: Netflix on Christmas and Peacock and all this stuff, you

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Speaker 2: got to spend eight hundred and fifty dollars for the

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Speaker 2: regular season. And instantly I was like, all right, Rob,

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Speaker 2: hold up, hold up, hold up. Eight hundred fifty dollars

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Speaker 2: for the regular season. So four months right September, October, November,

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Speaker 2: December eight point fifty divided by four months, two hundred

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Speaker 2: twelve dollars a month. And then you're like, well, there's

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Speaker 2: not games every day, okay, so let's just make it

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Speaker 2: do the easy math. Right September, you'll have Thursday night football,

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Speaker 2: Sunday Night football, and Sunday Day football, and then Monday

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Speaker 2: night football. So there's three different days when you watch football.

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Speaker 2: Times four weeks in a month, right, equals twelve days

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Speaker 2: a month of out of by twelve seventeen dollars each

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Speaker 2: of those days you're watching football. Now, here's the best

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Speaker 2: part a football games three hours you want to get granular.

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Speaker 2: That's seventeen dollars and it totally isn't like an apples

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Speaker 2: to apples. I know, eight hundred fifty is kind of weird,

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Speaker 2: but like basically get cable and then you know you

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Speaker 2: can you can say I'm gonna sign up for peacock

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Speaker 2: and then cancel it. You know you can do There's

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Speaker 2: a one bunch of ways around it, and then you

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Speaker 2: can use your wife' psych email at There's a lot

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Speaker 2: keep it easy. So seventeen dollars per day where there's

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Speaker 2: three hours, and now you're like at five bucks an hour, Like,

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Speaker 2: is that the five point nine five dollars and ninety

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Speaker 1: Is that that bad?

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Speaker 2: I'm paying babysitter's twenty dollars an hour? Well I used to.

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Speaker 2: At this point, I'm just like, listen, we got a

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Speaker 3: Well, the vibe of the story and the other other

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Speaker 3: rude awakening because the NFL does not care about you anymore.

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Speaker 3: The NFL is all in on the tweens and the

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Speaker 3: millennials such as myself, who have seventeen different apps and

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Speaker 3: avenues that they watch television on. That's who we're going after.

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Speaker 3: We don't care about the guy who has a pickup

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Speaker 3: For his television. Still, those are not our target demographic.

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Speaker 3: Our target demographic are the coastal elites who have no

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Speaker 3: course they're going to spend fourteen dollars extra to get

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Speaker 3: So that's what the gist of a lot of these

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Speaker 2: I'm a renter. I just want to put that out there.

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Speaker 2: We couldn't afford to buy, but we love the area. Also,

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Speaker 2: And Jim Harbaugh now lives in my town, and a

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Speaker 2: So hopefully get Jim Harbaugh on the hardwood. But Rob,

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Speaker 2: that's stupid. Nobody watches d N ratings are down. This

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Speaker 2: fruit nonsense. Are ratings down from thirty years ago. Yes,

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Speaker 2: as are movies, as are primetime TV, like any literally anything,

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Speaker 2: People? The way people? I know I covered the media

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Speaker 2: than Major League Baseball, certainly than golf than the NHL.

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Speaker 2: Younger viewers equals what target demographic, people who have disposable income.

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Speaker 2: And I know you guys don't want to hear this

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know, rob if people grasp who

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Speaker 2: That's who goes in buys jerseys, That's who goes and

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Speaker 2: go to all the games. People with disposable income, as

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Speaker 2: Rob noted Joe Sixpack who drives a Chevy and has

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Speaker 2: That's just not there. They don't covet that. They want

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Speaker 2: and harsh way to look at it, but Rob, you

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Speaker 3: Right absolutely, and on a base level, I would agree

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the core fanbase, they're not going anywhere, right, at

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Speaker 2: least I don't. I'm of the belief that they're not

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Speaker 2: going anywhere, and I will just I'll point this out, Rob.

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Speaker 2: I loved sports growing up. I've told the story many times.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the w NBA fit check situate. No,

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Speaker 2: I was blown away by how good Lively has been remembered.

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Speaker 3: that I think than you are. But everything that you

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Speaker 3: said absolutely holds water. And it's why I mentioned about

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Speaker 3: a week and a half ago that I was hopeful

429
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 3: that the thunderfront office would have learned from their mistakes

430
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 3: from ten years ago, and rather than being concerned about,

431
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 3: you know, how we gonna pay this guy and how

432
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 3: we're gonna pay that guy, let's get ahead of this.

433
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 3: Let's get rid of Jalen Williams so that we'd have

434
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Speaker 3: to like a James Harden type situation. Let's build around

435
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: chet and SGA and and you know, go that route.

436
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 3: I wanted them to do the opposite. I wanted them

437
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 3: to be like, you know what, we got these young guys,

438
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: they're all cheap for now. Let's cash in our chips

439
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: while we can, and let's make a run at this thing.

440
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Speaker 3: And according to several prominent NBA reporters in and around

441
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City, they decided at the trade deadline that they

442
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: wanted to do what they've always done, and that's why

443
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: their big quote unquote acquisition was Gordon Hayward. Gordon Hayward,

444
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: last I checked, I got to check last night's box score,

445
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: and I wasn't paying attention to whole lot of Gordon Hayward.

446
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: To be quite honest with you, but Gordon Hayward coming

447
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 3: into Game six, had zero points in the series. Gordon Hayward,

448
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 3: last I checked, has a cap number of thirty one

449
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 3: and a half million dollars. If Oklahoma City really wanted to,

450
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: given the salaries that they had available to them, the

451
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: cap space, their treasure trove of draft picks, they could

452
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 3: have easily gotten a high impact player a Lah PJ. Washington,

453
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: a lah Daniel Gafford for that thirty one and a

454
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Speaker 3: half million dollars, and they would be much more equipped

455
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 3: to handle a playoff type series than they are right now.

456
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: Not to say that they're not a good team, but

457
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 3: just obviously, you know, outgunned against this Maps team, even

458
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: with the hobbled Luka Doncic. And their reasoning was, according

459
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: to these reporters, is they didn't want to fast track

460
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: the timeline. They wanted to see what they had in

461
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: Sga and Holmgren and J. Dubb and and then then

462
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: decide later on what they're gonna do. And I understand

463
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 3: that line of thinking. I just don't know if you

464
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 3: can afford to always be patient year in and year

465
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Speaker 3: out when you have a team that you think can

466
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Speaker 3: make a run and Sja has obviously shown that he's

467
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 3: good enough to be the best guy in javage of

468
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: a team. I don't know why you wouldn't push all in.

469
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a fair counter. My only guess is

470
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: they said, you know what, Dallas has had runs before

471
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Speaker 2: with Luca. Last year, they missed the playoffs with Kyrie.

472
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: I can understand them going, we haven't been to the

473
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Speaker 2: playoffs with the scroup. They were in the play in

474
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Speaker 2: last year, right, yes, yeah, so let's see what we do,

475
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 2: Let's see how it goes, and then let's around the edges.

476
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: I don't think obviously Chet's untouchable and SGA's untouchable, and

477
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: you know, Jayalen Williams is well liked and a really

478
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: good player, and they have guys like Isaiah Joe who's

479
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: very good in his role. Wiggins is solid, kese On

480
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: Wallace is solid. Josh Giddy had I don't know what

481
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Speaker 2: kind of value he has, but somebody's going to take

482
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Speaker 2: a flyer on him. So they've got guys, and they

483
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 2: have a ton of picks. So you could package it

484
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: and get one or two players, but then you potentially

485
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: break up the chemistry of the under twenty five, just

486
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: the way the Knicks fans are like, we're not We're

487
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 2: not touching the Villanova Nicks. You know, it's not an

488
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: easy decision. I kind of like that they're I mean,

489
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Speaker 2: imagine first tour of duty in the playoffs, and what

490
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Speaker 2: if they got to the conference finals? You know that.

491
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Speaker 2: I mean, they might get swept by Denver because they're

492
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: very limited outside of SGA And have you noticed their

493
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: half court offense roup It's not great.

494
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: It's Shay, It's Shay. It's Shaye. It's Shay, and nobody.

495
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 2: Else just dribbles into oblivion and that's it.

496
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Speaker 3: Thankfully, he's good, so they can get away with a

497
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: lot of times, but against the better teams, you just

498
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 3: can't do that kind of stuff.

499
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: So Dallas was up eighteen in the fourth. They cut

500
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Speaker 2: it to a ten to nothing run and then PJ.

501
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: Washington had a corner three and then a dunk and

502
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: Dallas actually made their free throws. I was surprised we

503
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: didn't see Haka Maver or whoever, because so many misfree

504
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: throws the other night and maybe they would would start

505
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: getting in their head. I'm surprised they didn't go to that.

506
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: But here's my big concern for Okase going forward run.

507
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: So their big ace card was we will we can

508
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: bench Josh Gitty and then catch them off cart. Well,

509
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: they waited for Game five to bench Josh Gitty. It

510
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: did not materially impact the game in the first quarter,

511
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 2: and it really didn't change the game at all. They

512
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: trailed I would say ninety nine percent of the game.

513
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: So let's just put to bed this idea that the

514
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: only problem was Josh Gidty and his inability to space

515
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: the floor. No, the team is not constructed to be

516
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Speaker 2: a title contender, at least that's my view of it, rob,

517
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: I mean, other than like, okay, so they started Isaiah Joe, like,

518
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: could you start kese on Wallace? Is that then you're

519
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: really small and you're going to get destroyed on the boards.

520
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it's basically like giddy Wallace, Isaiah Joe.

521
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: You could, I guess try Wiggins next time out, But like,

522
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't know it. I don't know that those are

523
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: going to get you over the hump. At least that's

524
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: my view on a rub.

525
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. I mean I thought that it was

526
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: the right idea to bench Jowski. I think I told

527
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 3: you on this podcast what two weeks ago that the

528
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 3: key to this series is going to be Josh Giddy

529
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: because I thought that Luca was going to hunt him defensively,

530
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 3: which is what he did, and that he was going

531
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: to be a liability because he can't shoot, which is

532
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. And I didn't mind the pivot to

533
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: Isaiah Joe again, you could have went to kase On

534
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: Wallace as well. The issue for them though, in last

535
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: night's game is that those two guys, who have both

536
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: been shooting right around forty percent from three in this series,

537
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 3: combined to shoot three for sixteen total and three for

538
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 3: thirteen from three. So even though the process was right

539
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: and they made the right decision, you would agree with, hey,

540
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: let's get some shooters out there. These guys can both

541
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: to defend at a reasonably high level where we're not

542
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: going to really miss Getty's playmaking or his rebounding. The

543
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: problem though, is if those guys are not hitting shots,

544
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: then what are they doing.

545
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 2: Celtic's calves was not worthy of discussion. Celtics win depending

546
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 2: on the number. I don't know, you may have not

547
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 2: got the cover. They went by fifteen here's.

548
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 4: The real story.

549
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: So no Donovan Mitchell, no Kris LeVert, and no Jarrett

550
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: Allen again one of the Morrist twins. I don't even

551
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: know who it was. Somehow was dusted off and had

552
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: twenty five points rob five of six from deep Wow.

553
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: But afterward, and I'll give Sham's credit. I'm not a

554
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: huge chums guy. You guys know, I worked with Woj,

555
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: I know him, we were friendly. I don't know Shams

556
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: at all. I think i've met him, met him once

557
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: because we share an agent or maybe we shared I

558
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: don't know if he's still with my guy. And I

559
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: think I met him at the super Bowl or something.

560
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: It seemed like a nice enough guy, but you know whatever.

561
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: And he dropped a piece on the Calves like right

562
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: after they lost. That was what I thought, like, Actually,

563
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know he did actual journalism. I thought he

564
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, here's news, and you know I

565
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: get this from an agent.

566
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

567
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: He put out a really good piece about the Calves

568
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: and what their off season is going to look like.

569
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: He makes Now remember Brian Winhorse started Wednesday Rob with

570
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: the Lakers and Nets are preparing offers for Donovan Mitchell

571
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: should he reject the extension. Schams went the other way

572
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: and said the Calves it looked like it clearly came

573
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: from the GM and the owner. The Calves are confident

574
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: that they will retain Donovan Mitchell. What's going to then

575
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: have to happen is Clutch Clutch client Darius Garland is

576
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: going to have to be moved. Clutch is not going

577
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: to stand for his numbers to continue to plumb in

578
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: alongside Mitchell. And then there's the head coach is probably

579
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: gonna get Can Bickerstaff because he I guess rann Donovan

580
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: Mitchell into the ground.

581
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: It was some beef.

582
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a weird but good story. But

583
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: buried in here is uh and Rob knows this because

584
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: he's been on the pod the whole time. Is the

585
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: Evan Mobley stuff. Okay, this is from Shams and we've

586
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: talked about this on the pod openly for like the

587
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: last three years. Mobley's representation cautioned the Calves prior to

588
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one draft not to select him. League

589
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: sources said it is common strategy among agents to get

590
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: players to certain teams, in this instance, Oklahoma City now

591
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: that I did not know. The Thunder made multiple offers

592
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: to get to three that year, but the Calves took

593
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: him anyway, and the relationship has remained healthy and positive.

594
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: What is interesting is Mobley is now doing extension this

595
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: summer and his points per game went down a little bit.

596
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: He had a monster game five and the loss of

597
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: the Celtics. I think he had He did shoot thirty

598
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: seven percent for three, but he had thirty three points

599
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: like he was good, very good player. I think he's

600
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: probably a three on a title contender. And the question

601
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: is does he say I'm gonna go ahead and pass

602
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: on that extension, which rookies usually don't do, or first

603
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: contract guys don't, or does he get it and then

604
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: in a year say hey, you know what, this is

605
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: the work, you get me out of here. That's probably

606
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: the more likely move. But they did try to appease him.

607
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: They got his brother in the second round. He hasn't

608
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: played a lot. He's been on I think a two

609
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: way contract this year, and it's just like, I don't

610
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: know what to say. This is a guy who grew

611
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: up in LA he went to USC, He's a California guy.

612
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: His family's all back here and I know he's trying

613
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: to make the most of it. But it'll be interesting

614
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: what happens with Mobley. Can Mitchell convince him we're building

615
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: something here or are they pumping up Mitchell as we

616
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: think he's gonna we're gonna stay because they know they're

617
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: gonna have to lose him and they want to keep

618
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: his value up. I don't know Miami could make a

619
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: play for him. I can't. I know, Rob put this

620
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: picture out of Donovan Mitchell with Lebron and ad wishful thinking.

621
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sure it's floating around like Laker websites.

622
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: I just don't don't see the owner, Dan Gilbert saying yeah, sure, Lebron,

623
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: I'll help you. That's very unlikely to me. I think,

624
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, Miami's interesting. Orlando had some potential. I don't

625
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: totally get the Nets thing, but you know his dad played,

626
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: I believe for the Mets, and I guess he has

627
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: an affinity for New York. I can't imagine a team

628
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: like the Warriors somehow get involved. The Houston Rockets feel

629
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: like they're one piece away, but I don't know if

630
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: it's done. Ivan Mitchell one piece away from being like

631
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, contending for a top six or whatever in

632
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: the West. They just missed the play it, so I

633
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: don't know what happens with Mitchell, but it was an

634
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: interesting piece on the Athletic by Sham's Rob.

635
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that there was an underlying theme of

636
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: the whole thing, and if you read again, it's a

637
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: very insightful piece because it points out like four or

638
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: five different storylines to watch in this offseason. But I

639
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: thought the overwall theme was everything that we liked about

640
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: the Calves when they made the Mitchell trade is going

641
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: to have to get blown up for them to reach

642
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: whatever ceiling they think they have. Because you alluded to

643
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: the first Dvan Mobley part, they mentioned that Mobley still

644
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: is not a great shooter, even though he shot thirty

645
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: seven percent. He's not a willing shooter. He kind of

646
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: reluctantly does it. He's at his best playing near the

647
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: basket as a undersized small ball five. Like he's a

648
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: good he's a very good defender. He's a great defender actually,

649
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: but he's very limited offensively. So that's what you prefer

650
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: to do. The problem is Jared Allen is currently their five,

651
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: and Jared Allen similarly cannot shooted. Jared Allen similarly is

652
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: very limited offensively. And if you notice, and part of

653
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: that article as well, was there was a growing unrest

654
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: within the team that Jared Allen wasn't willing to do

655
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: everything he had to do to get back on the

656
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: court and finish out this playoff run. You know that

657
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: he had he had the bruised ribs, and like, hey,

658
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: he wasn't willing to take the shot, so that you know,

659
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: kind how committed is he? So that kind of right

660
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: there lays the groundwork to hey, you either better choose

661
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: between Jared Allen, a guy who you don't think is

662
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: really committed to the team, or Evan Mobley, because you

663
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: can't have both of them. That's number one. Number two.

664
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: You mentioned the Donovan Mitchell Darius Garland situation. I actually

665
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: read it even a step deeper than you, because I

666
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 3: felt the way that it was being presented was this

667
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: was Clutch Sports kind of sticking it to the Cleveland

668
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: Cavaliers by saying, look, we all know the Lakers want

669
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell. Like Jovon Buha reported on Wednesday on his

670
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: own podcast that he thinks the Donovan Mitchell is the

671
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: star atop their list, point blank period. He's the guy,

672
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: and we all know that no matter what they say,

673
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: Lebron James is still very much, you know, if not

674
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: the head, the co head of Clutch Sports. So what

675
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 3: they're saying is you either help us facilitate a trade

676
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: to get Donovan Mitchell to the Lakers, or if you

677
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: insist on keeping him or trading him somewhere else, then

678
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: we are gonna find a way to get Darius Garland

679
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: to the Lakers because we're gonna find We're not going

680
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: to allow you to keep our primary trade target on

681
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: one hand, and at the same time minimize the value

682
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 3: of another Clutch Sports client.

683
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, is Donovan Mitchell that much better than

684
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: D'Angelo Russell?

685
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Are you kidding me?

686
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: NBA player?

687
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: Donald Mitchell? Up?

688
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: Hold up? I just looked at his salary. Oh my gosh,

689
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: thirty six point seven mil. Next year thirty nine forty.

690
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: But Darius Garland Garland, Garland, Okay.

691
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, hoops type pass the breakdown thirty six seven, thirty

692
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: nine to four, forty two to one, and then forty

693
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: four point eight mil. I mean, Garland, how is he

694
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: gonna how is he gonna fit alongside Lebron. I need

695
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: to see like the catch and shoot numbers and and

696
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: a lot, because you're not gonna have the ball in

697
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: your hands, dude, It's just not that's not gonna That's

698
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: how it was when he was an All Star, right,

699
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: and then Mitchell Cang kind of blows that up. I

700
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I like, he's just shifty one Garland.

701
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Let's see, Actually, you a good three point shooter? Not

702
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: last night, of course. Yeah, when he was twenty one

703
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: years old, he was at thirty nine, thirty eighth, and

704
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: forty one two years ago than thirty seven this year,

705
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, good three point shooter. I just is he

706
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: that much.

707
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: Of an upgrade over D'Angel Russell, Robb, You think so?

708
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 3: I mean the issue with D'Angelo Russell I personally don't

709
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: mind D'Angelo Russell because I understand that he is not

710
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 3: a playoff performer. If you can build that into your

711
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: analysis of him, you'd be very happy, because he's a

712
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: fantastic innings eater. The Lakers won a lot of games

713
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: this year because D'Angelo Russell was the guy who kind

714
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: of put them on his back at certain times, especially

715
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: when Lebron James was out. Darius Garland himself did not

716
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: really perform in these post in this postseason. But how

717
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: much of that is he's not really a playoff player,

718
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: and how much of it is that him and Donovan

719
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: Mitchell to get Yather just is not a great fit.

720
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: So in those situations, you almost always are going to

721
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: lean towards the unknown, which would be Darius Garland.

722
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I just looked at this is crazy.

723
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: So Mitchell played in seventy I'm sorry, D'Angelo Russell played

724
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: in seventy six games this year. Darius Garland has never

725
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: played in more than sixty nine games. He missed, geez,

726
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: twenty five this year due to injury. Year before that,

727
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: he missed thirteen year before that, fourteen year before that,

728
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: twenty eight. Like he's always hurt, He's always got some

729
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: kind of ailment. I like him as a players.

730
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: He would one ninety and then he would fit in

731
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 3: right on with his Lakers team if he's.

732
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: Always six one one ninety.

733
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, not a big guy.

734
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: Final thing before we go, Rob's gonna love or hate this.

735
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: It's from Steven A.

736
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: Smith.

737
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: Uh, Bronnie James may not make get to the Lakers

738
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: second round pick, because if a team like the Dallas

739
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 2: Mavericks could position themselves to get him in the second,

740
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: they take him because Lebron said he wants to go

741
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: where his son goes. If you're the MAVs, you got Kyrie, Luca,

742
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: Lebron willing to come to the Big d that might

743
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: be the first time something is more popular than the Cowboys.

744
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go ahead and call BS on that.

745
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: I under how on earth are the Mavericks gonna be

746
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: able to afford Lebron, James and b Are you really

747
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: Let's say they take down the Nuggets and go to

748
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: the finals, you're blowing that up to bring Lebron because

749
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: you're gonna legit, have to blow it up. You're gonna

750
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: have to give away. And I mean, I'm just trying

751
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: to think like the kid Hardy who played last night,

752
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: he's got he's spicy. Okay, I don't think the Lebron

753
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: and Luca can play on the same team. That to

754
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: me makes no sense. Rob There's no way, right.

755
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: No, not realistically. But I'll tell you this, whether you're

756
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: the Lakers, the MAVs, the Miami Heat, the Cleveland Cavaliers,

757
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: Houston Rockets.

758
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: Whatever.

759
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 3: If you think there is even a one percent chance

760
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: that drafting Bronni will get you Lebron James sometime in

761
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: the next year or two, you one thousand percent do

762
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 3: that because it doesn't A second round pick in today's

763
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: NBA is not all that valuable. There's a reason why

764
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 3: teams are always selling them. Oklahoma City, I think is

765
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: like forty five of them in the next ten years. Like,

766
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: it's not that big of a deal. So if you

767
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: want to throw four million dollars on the off chance

768
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: that you might get Lebron James, you do that every

769
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: day of the week.

770
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: Second round pick.

771
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: Je mavsc got Jalen Brunson in twenty eighteen.

772
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 4: Let's see other good picks they had.

773
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: Oh not many? Oh gosh, the second round. That's been

774
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: a bit of a poop poop platter this century for

775
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: the MAVs. I can't even find anyone else they got

776
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: in the second round.

777
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: It was decent.

778
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, So the second round is, like

779
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: you said, a crapshoot. So do you take a chance

780
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: on Bronnie. But I'll be honest, We'll do plenty of

781
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: Bronnie here in the in the coming months. To me,

782
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: his comments at the combine about like, hey, you know,

783
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: my dad's had a career, he's already established. I'm just

784
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: trying to come out and start something, you know. So

785
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: it sounded to me like, you know, when you come

786
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: back from college, you just graduated. I know Bronnie hasn't graduated,

787
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: but and you go back home and you're like, ooh

788
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: living at home's weird. I mean, hell, it was weird

789
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 2: for me on like the first break that I came

790
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: back on, because you just used to going out, staying out,

791
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: eating whatever, doing whatever. And it was like, oh man,

792
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: my parents are like enforcing shit.

793
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 4: What's called this sucks?

794
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Lebron's son, Like, Oh, I finally get

795
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: to USC but it's in my backyard and my dad

796
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: sees me all the time. Okay, now I get drafted

797
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: by the Mats. Oh finally I'm gonna I could be

798
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: my own person. Oh no, here comes to my dad.

799
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: He's following me to Dallas. Like I know, I'm not

800
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: saying that he doesn't like his dad. I'm just saying

801
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: I think that's what normal kids, I know he's not normal,

802
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: would think. And like, yeah, I'm sure, Bronni is gonna

803
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: kind of want to be his own person and do

804
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: his own thing and learn sometimes the hard way what

805
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: it's all about, like this thing called life. I don't know, Rob,

806
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: they call me crazy. I will go on the record now,

807
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna be on the same team

808
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: next year.

809
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: Ooh, I will go against you on that. If you

810
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: give me odds, I will I will bet you the

811
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: opposite because I think he's gonna be a Laker. I

812
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: think ultimately that the Bus family is gonna do everything

813
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 3: they have to do to appease lebron James. That includes

814
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: hiring JJ Reddick. So you're gonna hire Redick. I do

815
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: think they're gonna hire you.

816
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: So what, let's just say, hypothetically, Sacramento drafts Bronni. Do

817
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: the Lakers then have to trade for him? No?

818
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: I think that they're gonna go into the draft with

819
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: the intention of drafting Bronnie and they happen to get

820
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: snaked for him. That they get snaked, but they're gonna

821
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: go into with the expectation that by the end of

822
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: the night Bronnie James will be a Los Angeles Laker.

823
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I can ride with that. I just I

824
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to happen. I mean, come on,

825
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: you're telling me twenty nine other teams, not one is

826
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: going to be like, you know what, bring this guy on.

827
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: Let's see what we got.

828
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: It's possible. As I say, if you give me odds,

829
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: I will bet you.

830
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

831
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not willing to put something that out

832
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: of my control. Anyways, He's a long, long Thursday podcast.

833
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow a little more NFL. Let's see

834
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: if the Knicks can close out the Pacers. I don't

835
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: have a bet on the game. I think the Pacers

836
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: win and force a Game seven. I would love a

837
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: Game seven for Sunday. That'll be awesome.

838
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: Talk to you tomorrow