WEBVTT - He Juggles Eggs

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>He can't condemn Hamas. He can't condemn the Muslim Brotherhood.

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<v Speaker 2>He says his home is Egypt. This is all starting

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<v Speaker 2>at my home.

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<v Speaker 3>We are going to move along. We can continue this

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<v Speaker 3>conversation in the second half of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't want a home in Florida. He took it

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<v Speaker 4>off the market. I don't know for why, but he

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<v Speaker 4>just took it off his home in the United Arab Emirates.

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<v Speaker 1>We're done. Staying in the Middle East. Congressman Rogers, you pledge.

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<v Speaker 1>So that poor moderator in Michigan last night trying to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with El-Sayed and Mike Rogers who are really getting

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<v Speaker 1>into it. Man, that is a no-win situation. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>got two candidates that are going to go at it

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<v Speaker 1>like that and just speak whenever they want, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you'd do. I think probably the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing to do is just... Well, in the words

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<v Speaker 1>of Anderson Cooper, let them spum. That's what I say.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've got a bunch of people on stage, you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have to because... But if there's only two people,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can let them come off as.

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<v Speaker 1>Way too much of a bully and didn't let the

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<v Speaker 1>other one speak? Or just let them scrub? Unless you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to put a shock collar on them or a

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<v Speaker 1>compliance belt, I don't know what you're going to do.

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<v Speaker 5>You're going to do your best and let them come

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<v Speaker 5>off to the voters the way they come off. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>less concerned about the niceties of debating than I am

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<v Speaker 5>about an Islamist takeover of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not too concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I'm not concerned about the niceties of debating, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what they're saying. And when they're talking over

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<v Speaker 1>each other, I don't even know what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought, I honestly got, Hanson is batting, pinch hitting

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<v Speaker 5>for Michelangelo today, who's off celebrating his anniversary, which is lovely.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought you were playing two audio sources at once, Hanson.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Isn't that what it sounds like? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the debate people were watching in Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>to try to figure out who to vote for. Like

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't turn that on already knowing who you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for. I wonder, I don't know much about

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<v Speaker 1>either of these candidates. I'm going to turn on the

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<v Speaker 1>debate and listen to them have a good, solid discussion

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<v Speaker 1>about this and decide which person I'm for.

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<v Speaker 5>Again, and this time I don't think I'm arguing unfairly.

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<v Speaker 5>You've fallen into the trap of thinking most voters know

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<v Speaker 5>anything about anything. Huge numbers of voters, significant chunks of them,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe a third, don't know anything about Rogers or El-Sayed

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<v Speaker 5>at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in this race? Yes. Even in this race in Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>you think they don't know El-Sayed? Wake up and smell

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<v Speaker 1>the ignorance. You don't think they know if El-Sayed's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what he is? That's something. Then you shouldn't vote. Can

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<v Speaker 1>I say? Oh, I agree with that wholeheartedly. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>they were. So Rogers was claiming, and I didn't look

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<v Speaker 1>up whether this is true or not, that El-Sayed owns

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<v Speaker 1>a home in Egypt. And I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 1>a deal breaker or not. And then so El-Sayed's getting

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<v Speaker 1>into Mike Rogers' homes and all of his sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in this clip. All right, 30 seconds. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to move on after this. 30 seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>How does a guy who's had less than four years

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<v Speaker 2>of work experience, who, by the way, on the campaign

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<v Speaker 2>trail said he had 10. own a luxury property in

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<v Speaker 2>the United Arab Emirates. He's worth a million bucks. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>has to tell me how this math works. A, his

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<v Speaker 2>facts are wrong, those are lies. But he is consistently

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<v Speaker 2>not telling the truth. Well, let me just say it,

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<v Speaker 2>he's lying. So he lied about being a physician. He

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<v Speaker 2>lied now about being an Egyptian citizen or not being

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<v Speaker 2>an Egyptian citizen.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't figure out what he is today.

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<v Speaker 2>But this impact, what he's trying to tell you, where

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<v Speaker 2>he wants you to be, that's a con man.

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<v Speaker 1>So what am I supposed to do when I watch

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<v Speaker 1>these debates? Well, sorry, I can't get to bed. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be up for several hours doing research on

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<v Speaker 1>what's true or not of what these people said for

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<v Speaker 1>the next several hours. Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

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<v Speaker 5>He does own properties and a couple of properties in

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<v Speaker 5>the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the main point for you from the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>from the wide world of news I was reading this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that after some more clips. Just run

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<v Speaker 1>through these. We'll comment after each one of them. Hanson,

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<v Speaker 1>starting with 91.

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<v Speaker 2>What my friend here just wants to do, as he's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a glitchy AI chatbot, is say the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me tell you this.

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<v Speaker 2>He has taken money from groups associated and support the

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<v Speaker 2>Muslim Brotherhood. He has taken money from individuals on his

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<v Speaker 2>campaign who openly support Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda. He's taken

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<v Speaker 2>money from the George Soros family. What we found out

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<v Speaker 2>is that this thing goes way back. Apparently they paid

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<v Speaker 2>for his education in Colombia.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're paying for his campaign. By the way, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a billionaire, last I checked. What degree did I get

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<v Speaker 1>at Columbia?

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<v Speaker 3>We're out of time. I'm going to give you a

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<v Speaker 3>30-second reload.

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<v Speaker 6>What degree did I get at Columbia? I get interviewed

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<v Speaker 6>by him, not by you.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the problems that everyone has in the

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<v Speaker 1>modern world, unless you sit down and watch the debate

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<v Speaker 1>like a friend of mine did, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>read his text here in a second, is my algorithm

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<v Speaker 1>fed me all stuff that looked favorable to Mike Rogers.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, OK, I know what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I tried to seek out other clips, which

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<v Speaker 1>it was easy to find him on like MS Now

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<v Speaker 1>and places like that. But God dang it. The biggest

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<v Speaker 1>problem we got maybe in all of media is you

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<v Speaker 1>can't flip off your algorithm. Hey, I don't want you

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<v Speaker 1>to just give me clips that back what I already

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<v Speaker 1>think to make me feel good. All right. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see what actually happened. And that's hard to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really hard to do because it wasn't all Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers getting in zingers on El Sayed is not the

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<v Speaker 1>way it worked. But anyway, so I asked a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine, he said, hey, are you watching the debate?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, what is it? I said, no. What is

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<v Speaker 1>your takeaway? He said, my takeaway is we're effed. I

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be more critical of conservative candidates' performance because

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<v Speaker 1>he is a conservative. Rogers started off fumbling a little

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<v Speaker 1>and had a cringy, he's not a physician kind of

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<v Speaker 1>doctor moment. Syed's slick, but I'm afraid that the left

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<v Speaker 1>is going to overlook his obvious terrorist ties and sympathies.

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<v Speaker 1>Syed is good on the economy and really good at

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<v Speaker 1>dodging his anti-Israel pro-Hamas stance by saying, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>support our schools. And what have foreign wars gotten us?

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<v Speaker 1>Always turning it back to things that are very popular

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<v Speaker 1>with like mainstream people.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, that's why he's so dangerous. But yeah, he's campaigned

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<v Speaker 5>over and over and over again with various imams and

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<v Speaker 5>activists who support Hamas and Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood

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<v Speaker 5>and accepted money from organizations that also give money to

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<v Speaker 5>those organizations. Really, to me, that's the only issue that matters.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's an enormous history-changing issue. So I agree with

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<v Speaker 5>you on the stuff about algorithms and all, but I'm

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<v Speaker 5>less here as a political analyst assessing who did better

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<v Speaker 5>in the debate and more and calling Al-Sayed for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the only thing that matters to me. Here's a

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<v Speaker 1>little more on the whole doctor, are you a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>or not thing.

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<v Speaker 6>As a doctor, I understand exactly what's happening.

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<v Speaker 4>Not a physician.

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<v Speaker 1>He says I like to say the same thing. Not

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<v Speaker 1>a physician.

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<v Speaker 4>He says I like to say the same thing. He's

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<v Speaker 4>done the same thing over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what that is? Vote to keep your prescription

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<v Speaker 4>drug prices heightened. 19 times, a million dollars alone from

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<v Speaker 4>Big Pharma, another million dollars from the health insurance corporations.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, he is touting their talking points.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a guy who has not been serious about

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<v Speaker 4>providing people healthcare his entire career.

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<v Speaker 6>What he has been.

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<v Speaker 4>Serious about is making sure that he can monetize his

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<v Speaker 4>time in public office, $ 14 million, two.

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<v Speaker 6>Yachts, a McMansion in Florida.

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<v Speaker 4>So at the end of the day, I'm a doctor,

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<v Speaker 4>I want people to have healthcare.

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<v Speaker 5>At what point is a boat a yacht? Do we

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<v Speaker 5>have a working definition of yacht? If you can sleep

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<v Speaker 5>on it, it's a yacht.

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<v Speaker 1>So many of these people running have houses in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that because of the whole tax situation there? The

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<v Speaker 1>Republican in Kansas who might lose because he lives in Florida. Yeah, maybe. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, nice real estate. It's warm in the wintertime.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one more that I want to get before I

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<v Speaker 1>get to some analysis that I think that's really important.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe this just because it keeps coming up and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the point of the analysis. Ninety three. So else

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<v Speaker 1>I had to set this up. He has been asked

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<v Speaker 1>now five times in different settings, including in the debate

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<v Speaker 1>multiple times. Who is a bigger threat to the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>Israel or Iran? And he won't answer it.

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<v Speaker 4>So this sort of like hypothetical, who's a bigger threat

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<v Speaker 4>is a dumb question, sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Dr. El-Sayed, we got the part that you thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was dumb, but we didn't understand or kind of get

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<v Speaker 3>to that answer. So I'm gonna ask you again tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>who do you think is a bigger threat to the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, Israel or Iran? You have 60 seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>And again, Rick, I'm just gonna say that that's a

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<v Speaker 4>ridiculous hypothetical, because here's what's happening right now. Our ostensible

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<v Speaker 4>ally in Israel has lobbied us to go to war

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<v Speaker 4>with Iran. We have watched as Iran has responded by

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<v Speaker 4>bombing all kinds of countries in the Middle East and

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<v Speaker 4>then choking off the world's energy supply. So this is

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<v Speaker 4>a situation in which I don't think we should be apart.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to be pushed into war by Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's Mark Halperin's analysis of that whole thing, because

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<v Speaker 1>it started before the debate. When El-Sayed was asked, who's

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger threat, Iran or Israel? And that's just a

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<v Speaker 1>dumb hypothetical. Halpern's analysis is, someone who, and Halpern bends

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<v Speaker 1>over backwards to be fair, like really goes the extra

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<v Speaker 1>mile to not be a partisan. Someone who won't say

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<v Speaker 1>if Iran or Israel is a greater threat to United

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<v Speaker 1>States security is a not someone who should be in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Senate. That's a heck of a thing

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<v Speaker 1>to say as a nonpartisan journalist. I agree. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>be someone who is in sync with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>America right now. No one should be in denial about

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<v Speaker 1>either one of those facts. Yeah, I would agree. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a highly troubling situation. Somebody who won't say that

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<v Speaker 1>is so insane. That you're unwilling to say, obviously, Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>Iran's one of the biggest threats to the United States

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<v Speaker 1>on planet Earth and have been for a half a century.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the number one sponsor of terror in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, crazy to develop nuclear weapons, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Death to America. The constant chanting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, that's because al-Sayed's on Iran's side, constantly pivoting

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<v Speaker 5>to the high prices and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, really, really smart politics, really capable. That's why he's

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<v Speaker 1>so dangerous. I can't believe that he doesn't, he won't

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<v Speaker 1>even for the debate say something along the lines of

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<v Speaker 1>Iran has been an exporter of terror or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that his supporters know he's got to say it

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<v Speaker 1>or something. He won't even go that far. Right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But that second part is also troubling because he knows

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<v Speaker 1>there's lots of people in this country, lots of young

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<v Speaker 1>people especially, who agree. It's not clear that Iran's a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger threat than the United States and Israel. No way.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Israel's a bigger threat.

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<v Speaker 5>Partly because the Trump administration has done such a miserably

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<v Speaker 5>incompetent job of messaging about the conflict and the need

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<v Speaker 5>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, we are in a weird spot where those two

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<v Speaker 1>things are true. For a U.S. Senate race? If he

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<v Speaker 1>gets elected, and I just don't think this gets said

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<v Speaker 1>enough in enough places, he will be by far the

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<v Speaker 1>most extreme person we've had in the U.S. Senate maybe ever,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly since the beginning of the 20th century. Yeah, miles

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<v Speaker 1>and miles. Hey, I want to hear 92, Hanson. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you dial that one up? Yesterday was October 7th.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why you should get absolutely angry. He could

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<v Speaker 2>not bring himself to even acknowledge the pain, the terrorism,

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<v Speaker 2>the rape, the murders, cutting off of women's breasts, putting

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<v Speaker 2>children in ovens. and killing them in front of their families,

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<v Speaker 2>could not even muster.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've condemned that. And he could not even muster.

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<v Speaker 6>I've condemned that, but I didn't turn it into political

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<v Speaker 6>theater like you just did.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not. All right, let me tell you this.

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<v Speaker 1>I just need to respond.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>He's interrupted me for about half of my time.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm so sorry, but I'm not somebody who tries

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<v Speaker 4>to make political theater out of other people's pains.

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<v Speaker 1>Your whole campaign is political theater. And you turned it

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<v Speaker 1>into political theater. I'm sorry. Including putting on a white jacket. Gentlemen, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>Al Sayed is on the side of Moss.

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<v Speaker 5>He may have thought they made some sort of strategic error,

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<v Speaker 5>but no, he's on their side.

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<v Speaker 1>And he may be right in thinking that if I

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<v Speaker 1>just keep bringing it back to grocery prices and gas prices,

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<v Speaker 1>enough people who are like, I don't know anything about

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East. I don't even know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, gas is expensive. We'll get him over the top.

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<v Speaker 5>And get America one step closer to an English-language version

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<v Speaker 5>of Submission, the great French novel.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy crap! Any thoughts on any of that? Text line 415-295-KFTC.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty. And finally, I heard that Starbucks is

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<v Speaker 1>exploring a takeover of Chipotle.

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<v Speaker 4>Ooh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Customers said they can't wait for the E. coli latte. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a great show. Give it up for the Roots.

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<v Speaker 4>The E.

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<v Speaker 5>Coli latte.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not fair to Chipotle. We're going to talk public executions,

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<v Speaker 1>pro or con, coming up in a little bit. Yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>on the One More Thing podcast, we got into something

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<v Speaker 1>that I just became aware of fairly recently. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it at a football game a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>high school football game. I heard a mom talking about, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm busy making a sign for my son because he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask a girl to the homecoming dance and

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<v Speaker 1>make a sign. I just pretended I knew what she

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about because I had no idea. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the way you do it now. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a big giant sign that you show up

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody knows you're going to do it. And everybody

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<v Speaker 1>has their phones out, including both parents. And you have

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<v Speaker 1>a video of them showing up with a sign and

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<v Speaker 1>flowers to say you want to go to dance. And

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<v Speaker 1>that way you can post it on Instagram. We got

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<v Speaker 1>this text. Listening to your one more thing, homecoming posters

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<v Speaker 1>and proposals things, what a nightmare. My 17-year-old introverted daughter

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<v Speaker 1>would have gone to the dance with a boy who

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go with her, but she didn't want the

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<v Speaker 1>sign or the public asking. He was pressured to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>She got embarrassed and said no, and now the group

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<v Speaker 1>of friends is going without her because she's not part

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<v Speaker 1>of a couple, and the pictures would look uneven if

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<v Speaker 1>she went with them without a date. So that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is for Joe. This is from the fabulous

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Just Diane, who responded to this all saying, promposals. Yes, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a cute name for it. They're called promposals.

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<v Speaker 5>I better grip my head hard with both hands to

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<v Speaker 5>keep it from exploding.

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<v Speaker 1>It became a thing in the 2010s, which is also

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<v Speaker 1>when Instagram started. Disney made a movie called Prom in

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<v Speaker 1>2011 that heavily featured promposals. Promposals can be found all

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<v Speaker 1>over Instagram, TikTok, giving those who peaked in high school

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<v Speaker 1>something to look back on, I guess she said. Oh, my.

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<v Speaker 5>Dryly withering as always, Diana. Yeah, I made my thoughts

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<v Speaker 5>clear on the podcast. I think turning an intense private

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<v Speaker 5>moment into a public spectacle for public.

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<v Speaker 1>Approval is a mistake. It's always a mistake. It's rough

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<v Speaker 1>all the way around. I mean, because once it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a thing, then the girl might be like, well, can

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<v Speaker 1>I say yes to a guy who just asks me

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<v Speaker 1>and doesn't do the sign flowers thing, the promposal thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Does he really care? Does that make me look like

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<v Speaker 1>a lame-o? I would have. I mean, I didn't ask

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<v Speaker 1>anybody out anyway in high school, but I definitely wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have if it required a sign and doing it around

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<v Speaker 1>everybody with cameras out to get her yes or no.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a chance. So, you know, once again, it's extroverts

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<v Speaker 1>rule the world. They make all the rules because they're

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<v Speaker 1>fine with it. If you're not an extrovert, though, you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do I participate? Right, right.

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<v Speaker 5>And then you go off to college like Cornell. And

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<v Speaker 5>things take a dark turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow!

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<v Speaker 5>That was an excuse to get this anonymous email on.

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<v Speaker 5>One aspect of the Cornell so-called gang rape is that

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that the men who were not rapists when

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<v Speaker 5>the sex happened because it was consensual only became rapists

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<v Speaker 5>when she changed her mind about what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>They are retroactive rapists.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the only crime I know of where the alleged

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<v Speaker 5>offender can change from innocent to guilty at any time

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<v Speaker 5>due to a change in the mental state of another person.

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<v Speaker 5>For your science-minded listeners with a twisted sense of humor,

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<v Speaker 5>they are Schrodinger's Rapists.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Speaking of dryly hilarious. That's really good about a

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<v Speaker 1>horrifying topic. That's really good. Well played, friend. Well played.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 7>A firing squad execution of Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik

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<v Speaker 7>Hassan will be live streamed. This comes after War Secretary

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<v Speaker 7>Pete Hegseth said the execution would be public. Secretary Hegseth

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<v Speaker 7>says it will take place at Fort Hood on December 3rd.

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<v Speaker 7>Hassan was convicted of killing 13 people and injuring 32

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<v Speaker 7>others in a shooting at the military base in 2009. Monday,

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<v Speaker 7>a Pentagon spokesman said President Trump had approved the execution.

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<v Speaker 1>Has Major Hassan made any final requests, reached out to

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<v Speaker 1>the president, anything like that to your knowledge?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see him on December 3rd. That was Pete Hegseth there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you care about the company you keep. Currently,

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<v Speaker 1>the only other two countries that do public executions, besides

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<v Speaker 1>the United States soon, Iran and Afghanistan. Over the last

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<v Speaker 1>half century, the only countries that have done public executions

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<v Speaker 1>are Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Somalia, and Yemen.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see your point.

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<v Speaker 5>Ha ha ha!

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<v Speaker 1>One reason I can laugh about this is Mark Alpern writes,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, there's no way this is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Cooler heads will prevail and it will not happen. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>May I respond on behalf of all of us who

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<v Speaker 5>think this guy needs to be executed immediately and are

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<v Speaker 5>at least semi-comfortable with a public execution? Your little list

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<v Speaker 5>of our bedfellows there. My official response is, oof.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you know, yesterday we talked about capital punishment, and I'm,

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<v Speaker 1>on the whole, a no on capital punishment. But not hardcore.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't bother me that these scumbags, with all their appeals,

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<v Speaker 1>get killed. This one, 100% yes. Because he's a combatant

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<v Speaker 1>in a war. Among other things. I mean, so 100% yes,

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<v Speaker 1>executing this dude.

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<v Speaker 5>This one's not even a question. Well, and a United

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<v Speaker 5>States officer in the military had sworn an oath and

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<v Speaker 5>did what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, up against the wall. Military code of justice handles

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<v Speaker 1>this just fine. Why are we doing it public? Hegzeth

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<v Speaker 1>says it's to send a message that there's consequences for

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing. Yes, indeed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't think that, because it's been a question

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed. this yesterday also is the death penalty a

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<v Speaker 1>deterrence and people been arguing that forever and then people

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<v Speaker 1>bring out statistics that back up their argument that may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not be accurate all the time on is

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<v Speaker 1>the death penalty deterrence i guarantee it's not a deterrence

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<v Speaker 1>for jihadists that i know.

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<v Speaker 5>Well it's an incentive Yeah, yeah. Look, Halpern's right, and

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<v Speaker 5>you're right, and I am right in what I'm about

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<v Speaker 5>to say. They say in coaching it's easier to slow

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<v Speaker 5>them down than speed them up. Well, that's the Pete

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<v Speaker 5>Hegzeth situation. And by golly, I appreciate his zest for justice,

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<v Speaker 5>his lack of patience with Giottis, and his being very,

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<v Speaker 5>very angry, because I've heard him talk about this, at

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<v Speaker 5>the way this offense, this horror, was approached at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>By the Obama administration trying to pass it off as

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<v Speaker 5>workplace violence. And Pete, his vehemence is in response to that.

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<v Speaker 5>But here's where the head coach Trump has to step

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<v Speaker 5>in and slow him down a little bit and say,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, that's not really a great luck. We'll just

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<v Speaker 5>do it and let people know it's done.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we'll stream it. So a live stream,

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<v Speaker 1>where would it be on? So it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the halftime of the Super Bowl. No, no, but

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<v Speaker 1>it could be sponsored, brought to you by Remington Rifles.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm just, you know, spitballing here. Or

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<v Speaker 1>a hospital chain. Tonight, right after Dancing with the Stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that sort of thing. Brought to you by Humana Health.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, I... Well, is it going to be

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<v Speaker 1>on C-SPAN? That's the official government channel. Well, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be live streamed. So if you want to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up the stream, that's where it is. Whether networks will

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<v Speaker 1>pick it up or not. I don't want it to

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<v Speaker 1>be like the Chiefs Raiders game where I got to

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<v Speaker 1>try to figure, is it on Prime? Is it on Netflix?

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<v Speaker 1>Where the hell is it? I want to watch this

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<v Speaker 1>guy get shot. I hate that.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you said earlier you would not watch it. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you standing by those lily-livered words? I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>good for the soul to watch these sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bet I have killed more live beasts than anybody

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<v Speaker 1>on this show and most people listening. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>watch videos of it. I don't think it's good for

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<v Speaker 1>the soul to watch this stuff, personally. It's an unpleasant

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<v Speaker 1>and awful but necessary duty. Is that what you would say?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You could make the argument, I was

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<v Speaker 1>making the argument yesterday, that the government shouldn't be snuffing

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<v Speaker 1>people if you're not okay with, like, participating in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't participate in it because, okay, then you are

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<v Speaker 1>participating in it. This is a democracy. We vote. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're participating in, like, voting, enough people voting for doing

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<v Speaker 1>this that we do it. So you're participating at some level.

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<v Speaker 1>There is that argument. It sounds like the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>thing you bring up in a classroom to get people

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<v Speaker 1>to argue while you scroll your phone as a professor. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But I so you could make the argument that if

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<v Speaker 1>the government's going to take a life like this, it

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<v Speaker 1>should be it should be televised. So people know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what we're doing. But it still doesn't mean I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what my soul gets out of watching. Yeah. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>I think to do it the usual way, take pictures

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<v Speaker 5>up until the moment of the execution and the witnesses

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<v Speaker 5>who volunteer to be there, et cetera, done under the

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<v Speaker 5>strict code of military justice.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine. I got another question. Is it barbaric?

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<v Speaker 1>list of countries that do this got to mean something. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they're ahead of the curve. They're innovators. Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 1>I see your point. All right. That's rough. Yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, it won't happen. But do you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>100 percent? But we have often had Josh Rogan to

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post on about rice, variety of things, expert

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<v Speaker 1>on China, all that sort of stuff. But he he

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<v Speaker 1>posted barbaric. I don't know that I feel like it's barbaric,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, if when you see that list of countries,

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<v Speaker 1>those are barbaric countries. Yeah, I would agree.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an interesting contrast. There is so much mayhem that

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<v Speaker 5>people watch, including kids, online. Well, I don't think they should.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a different time. Well, it just doesn't stand out

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<v Speaker 5>like it used to, is my point. I agree with

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<v Speaker 5>you completely. It's terrible, especially for youngsters. It's just awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the fact that it doesn't, when people, my kids say,

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<v Speaker 1>because my high schoolers, teenagers, all this stuff floats around,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, it doesn't bother me. That's the problem. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it doesn't bother you is a bad thing,

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<v Speaker 1>not a good thing. Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Speaking of crime and horror, there are new texts out

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<v Speaker 5>between Jane Doe and some of the frat brothers there

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<v Speaker 5>at Cornell, and the case has not gotten less murky.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Because then you do have the whole What you felt

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<v Speaker 1>the next day or whatever is not the same. Or

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks later. Yeah. Yep. There's a big YouTube star

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<v Speaker 1>that was in my town that I just became aware of, Gideon.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what he does going around the country? He

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<v Speaker 1>did it in our town. When my son said, did

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<v Speaker 1>you know Gideon was in town? His brother was like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>Gideon was here? I'd never heard the name before in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. Give me five guesses what he does. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Juggles eggs. Okay, you're going to... No. That was one guess.

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<v Speaker 5>Makes incredibly realistic barnyard animal sounds while crawling around on

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<v Speaker 5>all fours.

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<v Speaker 1>His YouTube channel has 9 million subscribers. His second YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>channel has 6 million. His TikTok has 7. His Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>has 4, among other things. He is a giant star,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you've heard of him or not. He's only 25

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<v Speaker 1>years old. God, how much money is he making? This

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<v Speaker 1>is what he does. He busts pedophiles. He sets them

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<v Speaker 1>up and then videos them being busted. He gets the

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<v Speaker 1>cops involved. And they did that in my town yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody from Sacramento coming to Davis thinking he was meeting

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<v Speaker 1>a kid for sex. And it's the cops. And he

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<v Speaker 1>YouTubes it. And he's right there mocking the guy and

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<v Speaker 1>talking to the guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there are a handful of those guys doing that

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<v Speaker 5>sort of thing online. The New York Times, of course,

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<v Speaker 5>because it's the New York Times, I'm pretty sure it

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<v Speaker 5>was them, did a profile on one guy who was

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<v Speaker 5>set up wrongly. And his reputation was ruined and how

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<v Speaker 5>irresponsible these online would-be vigilantes really are.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how often that happens.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if it's one out of a thousand, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>this is one of those difference in quantity is a

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<v Speaker 5>difference in kind. If it's one out of a thousand, great.

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<v Speaker 5>If it's like 30%, then we got a serious issue here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that'd be pretty awful, though. I think you got

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong guy here as he's putting out on his

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and his TikTok with all his millions of followers.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Guys are getting constant death threats who've been incorrectly identified. Look,

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<v Speaker 5>I was just walking through the park.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right. But that aside, I just find it interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't true with my parents. Where the big giant

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<v Speaker 1>celebrities that ever we were all talking about, my parents

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<v Speaker 1>had never even heard of. Or couldn't even conceive of

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<v Speaker 1>what they do in some cases.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so odd. And it varies from age to age.

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<v Speaker 1>You got the huge stars that my kids wouldn't know

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<v Speaker 1>that eight-year-olds know and vice versa. Right. Indeed, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some that five-year-olds know.

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<v Speaker 5>I was reading about some punk musician who's now the

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<v Speaker 5>biggest thing in kiddie music.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of a Rafi thing. Wow. God, why haven't I

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<v Speaker 1>gotten into something like that? Come up with an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Get a channel. Get millions of viewers.

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<v Speaker 5>It's as easy as that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just need the idea. We need something here.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, we need to get to those new text messages.

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<v Speaker 5>The Cornell not rape case. Let me be the first

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<v Speaker 5>to call it that.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe putting his thumb on the scale for justice. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got no... What? That's next. Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 6>She never said no.

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<v Speaker 1>She never stopped him physically. He did not see her

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<v Speaker 1>doing drugs. He did not see her drink. He did

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<v Speaker 1>not do drugs.

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<v Speaker 8>Defense attorney Andrew Miltenberg says Julio Lopes, one of the

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<v Speaker 8>seven Cornell fraternity brothers accused of raping Jane Doe in 2024,

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<v Speaker 8>is innocent. She was very much innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>In his view, capable of consenting to sex.

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<v Speaker 8>Jane Doe's attorney tells ABC News she was incapable of consenting,

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<v Speaker 8>was gang raped at the Chi Phi fraternity by seven men,

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<v Speaker 8>some of whom are accused of pressuring her into taking drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah boy, this story. I will repeat what I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 5>Media and politicians are doing to this story what the

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<v Speaker 5>fellows did to that girl. Took it way too far,

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<v Speaker 5>exploited it, and lost their souls.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize how big the protests are there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw them on the news last night. I was like, whoa. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Free Press had some great writing about it.

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the points that this gal made that

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<v Speaker 5>wrote the article, was that it was extremely difficult to

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<v Speaker 5>find anybody who would say, allegedly, or we need to

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<v Speaker 5>figure out what the facts are, or we need to

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<v Speaker 5>slow down, or there's a difference between the guys involved,

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<v Speaker 5>number one and number seven. She made it clear it's

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<v Speaker 5>just an angry mob howling for their version of justice,

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<v Speaker 5>which I think a lot of this is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to my oldest son this weekend about this story,

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<v Speaker 1>about the, if you come upon this scene like this

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<v Speaker 1>sometime in your life, here's what you should do.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so there's so much to this story, and as usual,

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<v Speaker 5>my reaction to the mainstream media is not only are

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<v Speaker 5>you idiots and simpletons and biased, but you're missing the

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<v Speaker 5>most interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Parts of it, too.

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<v Speaker 5>Which, to me, is this utterly unworkable situation where the

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<v Speaker 5>university itself, in its welcome-to-campus materials about sex.

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<v Speaker 5>Was like incredibly sexually liberal. Hey, what you need to

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<v Speaker 5>think about, would you be willing to have sex with

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<v Speaker 5>two people at once, three people at once, more than

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<v Speaker 5>three people, cyber sex, open sexual relationships, sex toys, blindfolding, bondage, biting, scratching, spanking,

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<v Speaker 5>slapping for sexual pleasure, sexual clamps, toys.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes through the universe in itself. And why do

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<v Speaker 1>they do that? What's the point of that?

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<v Speaker 5>Allegedly, in their campus health self-exploration guide, which tells them

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<v Speaker 5>they're entitled to experience all the pleasures their bodies can provide,

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<v Speaker 5>they need to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the permission. I mean, I don't get why

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting involved in this.

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<v Speaker 5>And they state that nudity is optimal, but they're just

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<v Speaker 5>saying you need to think about which of this stuff

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<v Speaker 5>you're up for, which is an interesting take.

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<v Speaker 1>And then.

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<v Speaker 5>The Cornell Daily Sun student newspaper ran a column. They

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<v Speaker 5>have a sex advice column, and this one ran just

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<v Speaker 5>last year, talking about how great it is to be spanked.

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<v Speaker 5>And I knew a girl who liked to feel absolutely

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<v Speaker 5>terrified during sex advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Like prey animal awaiting her predator, that's power too.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not a reflection of bad character or immoral behavior

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<v Speaker 5>if you enjoy it. Sex is defined by consent, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 5>So what they're asking, we need to get to the

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<v Speaker 5>new text messages, but what they're asking is for the

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<v Speaker 5>full panoply of the Kama Sutra to be open to

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<v Speaker 5>everyone all the time and to be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>As healthy and normal.

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<v Speaker 5>But if at any point anybody thinks, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>kind of weirded out by what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Then that's rape and somebody needs to go to jail.

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<v Speaker 5>Those two things existing at the same time are utterly,

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<v Speaker 5>almost hilariously, if it wasn't so sickening, unworkable. So, more

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 5>and more text messages are coming out. Four days after

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<v Speaker 5>the Chi Phi fraternity party and the incident we've been discussing,

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<v Speaker 5>Jane Doe texted student Matthew Ingalls, that's male number one

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<v Speaker 5>who she originally wanted to have sex with, claiming everybody

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<v Speaker 5>knows about them having sex, leaving her incredibly stressed out.

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<v Speaker 5>Ingalls sympathized and said, dude, I have no effing idea

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<v Speaker 5>that some random biatch was telling her friends, okay? Because

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.780
<v Speaker 5>the rumors were sweeping around campus, and that was really

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<v Speaker 5>stressing out Jane Doe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a heck of a story. I mean, yeah, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about it if you heard it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>Ingalls responds, dude, I have no effing idea. This S

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly frustrating, and I know how fast nonsense spreads

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<v Speaker 1>at the school. It's fan behavior from, oh, yeah, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fan behavior from everyone talking about it, boring people

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<v Speaker 1>who have nothing to do with their time. Doe said,

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<v Speaker 1>the rumors are.

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<v Speaker 5>Effing ruining my life, and I want to sniff out

0:34:23.410 --> 0:34:26.890
<v Speaker 5>the rats. My reputation is destroyed, and I'm utterly ashamed.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm effing pissed because this many people shouldn't know, and

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I know who some of the rats

0:34:31.620 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 5>in the room were. She added that the rumors were

0:34:36.340 --> 0:34:39.140
<v Speaker 5>not only spreading like wildfire, but were growing crazier every

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<v Speaker 5>effing day. Stupid bitches like to yap, and the fact

0:34:42.100 --> 0:34:44.060
<v Speaker 5>that they're doing it shows that they're jealous of you

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<v Speaker 5>for any number of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Ingalls shot back.

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<v Speaker 5>Doe agreed the gossips are jealous and threaten to beat

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:56.020
<v Speaker 5>anyone up who gives them S. And also opening up

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<v Speaker 5>about how she's open-minded about sexuality. But also like everyone

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<v Speaker 5>needs to grow up because sexuality and sex and S

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<v Speaker 5>is changing.

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<v Speaker 1>And stuff like this is.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to be more common, she said, while admitting that

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<v Speaker 5>she is also really open-minded, though.

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<v Speaker 1>How old was she at the time?

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<v Speaker 5>She was a sophomore, so from 18 to 20. And

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<v Speaker 5>then upperclassmen may have been spreading the word. Doe responded

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<v Speaker 5>that a female student who confronted her wouldn't tell me

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<v Speaker 5>who she heard it from because it's one of her friends. Um,

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<v Speaker 5>Ingalls apologized, promised these idiots will move on and it'll

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<v Speaker 5>be done with more than a week later on the seventh.

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.859
<v Speaker 5>Ingalls tells dough that his ex-girlfriend told him he's now

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<v Speaker 5>being labeled a sexual abuser on campus and asked if

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<v Speaker 5>dough had made those allegations against him. Dose said she

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<v Speaker 5>stayed mom, but added quote, people are changing the narrative

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<v Speaker 5>because like in any sexual scenario with one woman and

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<v Speaker 5>many men, the woman was probably a victim.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there are rumors. I was gang bang.

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<v Speaker 5>She said, um, It was the same day that she

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<v Speaker 5>requested a rape kit in an emergency room, etc. There's

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<v Speaker 5>zero chance of any convictions in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Zero. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Not that it wasn't unfortunate, immoral. But the whole hardcore

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<v Speaker 5>porn Kama Sutra thing plus this puritanical notion of They

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<v Speaker 5>can't go together.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make any sense. Wonder how long this story

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<v Speaker 1>sticks around. Armstrong and Getty.