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Speaker 1: The Herd wherever you may be and however you may

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Speaker 1: of your day. Joel Clatton about five minutes, I was

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Speaker 1: saying one of the things I like about postseason baseball

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Speaker 1: there's so much urgency. Analytics are important during the regular season,

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Speaker 1: but you get into the playoffs and there's so much

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Speaker 1: urgency that you may bring a starter who pitched brilliantly

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Speaker 1: two days ago and bring them out of the pen.

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Speaker 1: You're just doing things. I mean, like watch the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: starting pitching. There's no ren to pull a guy out

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Speaker 1: in the sixth inning. I mean, last night they let

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Speaker 1: Yoshi go the whole game. You don't do that in

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Speaker 1: the regular season. That's just not the way it works.

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Speaker 1: So analytics, to some degree. In the NBA playoffs, it

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Speaker 1: becomes a situational basketball league. Two pointers are fine, it's

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Speaker 1: not all three pointers. And in baseball everything changes. You're

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Speaker 1: just pitching differently. But I thought they should have kept

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Speaker 1: Blake Snell in the game in Game one, and instead

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Speaker 1: they went to the bullpen, because I want to take

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Speaker 1: a series lead before I go to a bullpen that

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Speaker 1: I don't entirely trust. Last night, Yamamoto was good. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't as good as Snell. He was great, but not

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Speaker 1: that great. You already have a one zero series lead

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Speaker 1: and you got a four run cushion. I would have

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Speaker 1: gone to the pin. So it's okay. But even the announcers,

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Speaker 1: Ron Darning and the guys they were, they didn't know

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Speaker 1: quite what they were going to do. And everybody's a brilliant,

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Speaker 1: everybody's a genius about baseball after the fact, but in

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Speaker 1: real time, nobody kind of knew what Dave Roberts was

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Speaker 1: going to do. And that's the fun of baseball. And

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Speaker 1: here were the announcers talking about it at the eighth.

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Speaker 3: And now, if you're Dave Roberts, you have to start

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Speaker 3: thinking seriously about allowing Almamota to finish this game.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to finish those six just

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Speaker 4: the offense of the Dodgers. He's going to give him

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Speaker 4: this inning, and I think Banda will probably finish it

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Speaker 4: baseball from the seventies and eighties now with this kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, And here's the thing. The reason I

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Speaker 1: straight Brewers, nobody'd hit the ball out of the infield

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Speaker 1: And he's also a very good pitcher post one hundred pitches.

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Speaker 1: And again, Yamamoto Yoshi was great last night, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: quite as dominant. I've got a four run cushion, I've

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Speaker 1: so I would have flipped it. Dave Roberts, who we love,

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Speaker 3: I see a real confidence.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: I like my managers to be adaptable and pragmatic, and

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Speaker 1: that's the thing with Dave Roberts. He said after Game one,

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Speaker 1: You're up to none to nothing. There's no right answer.

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Speaker 5: leave Notre Dame? I'm not sure. He just went to

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Speaker 5: They've got support, and they've got an athletic director that's

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Speaker 5: For the fences if I was Patcraft, because here's the

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Speaker 1: Games that James Franklin has fallen short in. So a USC,

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Speaker 1: That game was not as close as the score, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure Michigan's got the right coach. We'll talk

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Speaker 5: It's not as good of a matchup as they had

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Speaker 5: your point about the substance or the substantial moment for

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Speaker 5: USC last week in beating Michigan the way that they did,

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Speaker 5: I started to think to myself, Yeah, they've had some

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Speaker 1: So that's an important win.

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Speaker 5: Now, the matchup against Notre Dame probably isn't quite as good,

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Speaker 5: and the reason is, and you touched on it briefly,

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Speaker 1: Has on offense.

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Speaker 5: But that's not the case with Notre Dame. So Notre

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Speaker 5: Dame can run it with Jeremiah Love, he's one of

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Speaker 5: that would scare you a little bit. And yes, there

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Speaker 5: the fact that, hey, maybe we can run the football

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Speaker 5: and it's not just going to be a Miava show

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Speaker 5: like it's almost like the Catholic school has a direct

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Speaker 5: want to do with USC It's like, give us some

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Speaker 1: So it could be an interesting one.

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Speaker 5: But I certainly feel like Notre Dame is set up

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 1: Your top ten as Ohio State, Indiana, Miami, Texas and

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Speaker 1: I don't have any quabbles with it. Let's talk Oregon.

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Speaker 1: What happened against Indiana. I mean, I'll say this about

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Speaker 1: say I thought it would be closed, but they really

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Speaker 1: what happened? And do you buy Indiana as a national

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Speaker 5: So the first part of that is is I think

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Speaker 1: Sharon Moore is at a really important time in his

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Speaker 5: That loss was ground shaking in a lot of ways

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Speaker 5: They have to get back to first principles what made

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Speaker 5: That's what Jim Harbaugh did. Now it started to grow

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt College Football The Boy said, Fox, good see anybody.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I didn't even take a shot at weekly

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Speaker 1: It's just like, dam listen, this show is hard kidding yourself.

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Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like going to Columbus in October.

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Speaker 1: It's home. You gotta be ready. You show up here,

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Speaker 1: Where are you at?

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Speaker 6: You you're at seven?

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Speaker 7: Well, unlike you, I like to see a good injury

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Speaker 1: You know that's the wise guy the Sharps. The Sharps

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Speaker 7: Well, are you willing to lay after tax dollars right

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Speaker 7: that you hard earned on Dylan Gabriel? Yeah, that's that

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Speaker 1: Hey, are you getting to your big Luke when you

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Speaker 1: Everybody? J Mack was so fired up because Luca dropped

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Speaker 7: that we're very all, very worried, but Luca looked pretty

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Speaker 9: the show. I'm here to ask you please don't listen

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Speaker 9: to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who

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Speaker 9: have the dumbest takes on sports. Now, don't listen to

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Speaker 9: the show so it can get camp.

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Speaker 1: Who what the hell are you doing in our studio?

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Speaker 1: Hit him?

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Speaker 6: Paul? Ignore that fool. Listen to the Pauline Tony Fusco

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Speaker 6: Show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

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Speaker 6: He's still moving.

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Speaker 1: Haucky's gonna have the best team in baseball. Mariners are

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Speaker 1: going to get to the World Series potentially.

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Speaker 6: Yea, what is it?

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Speaker 7: What do you think this West Coast World Series would

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Speaker 7: mean for the East Coast fans?

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Speaker 6: Are they going to stay up late?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 10: Year.

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Speaker 1: Years ago, there was a Subway series Met's Met the

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Speaker 1: Yankees in the World Series, and I remember that everybody

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Speaker 1: in the you know, the Northeast media kind of toned

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Speaker 1: after the rest of the country predicted big numbers. Nobody watched.

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Speaker 1: It was at the time like a very lowly rated

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Speaker 1: world Series. It felt very New York. I think the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are a big enough brand. It'll feel like, you

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Speaker 1: know what it'll feel like, big versus small, David verus Goliath.

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Speaker 1: That's what it'll feel like. Remember years ago when Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan faced the Utah Jazz, So everybody was saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: Utah is a small market, nobody would watch. But it

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Speaker 1: felt like David and Goliath. You had the legendary Dynasty

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Speaker 1: against Stockton and Malone and small market Utah, almost collegiate feeling,

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Speaker 1: and it got huge numbers. Jordan flu game, but they

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Speaker 1: the Jordan flu game and it was Jordan. And the

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Speaker 1: truth of the matter was the story was captivating and

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Speaker 1: Utah was really really good. But then when I think

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Speaker 1: the Mariners are really really good without it, they don't

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Speaker 1: have the Dodgers dominant starting pitching, but they're really good.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Mariners are good.

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Speaker 7: That Jordan Jazz stuff that was in like ninety seven.

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Speaker 7: There was no iPhone, there was no streaming. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 7: if NFL Thursday Night stinks, you know, second quarter, I'm

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Speaker 7: firing up Netflix and seeing what's on or Amazon Prime,

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Speaker 7: like I'm checking out movies. You couldn't do that back then.

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Speaker 7: So I know, those Jordan numbers, I'm not really buying that.

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Speaker 7: I will say the Mariners are an interesting story because

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Speaker 7: of the Griffy Junior angle. Everybody loves Griffy Junior, right,

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Speaker 7: everybody has that upper deck card. There's a history with

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Speaker 7: that team that they never really made it through, and

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Speaker 7: I do think you're right there will be a gravitational

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Speaker 7: pull toward them against the Evil Empire West Coast edition.

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Speaker 1: The problem is the Dodger Milwaukee is certainly the Mariners

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Speaker 1: equal this year. You know, it's a mid pay roll

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Speaker 1: team with no real holes. Milwaukee's totally outclassed. I mean

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Speaker 1: Game one, they could not get bat on ball, they

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Speaker 1: couldn't get the ball to the infield and so and

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Speaker 1: last night the Dodgers had I mean they stranded runners

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Speaker 1: left and right. Dodgers should have blown them out so

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Speaker 1: that it does you're starting to see it. Like you

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Speaker 1: can watch the Dodgers and it's like there's just no

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Speaker 1: breaks in their batting order. They're they're they're I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it is hard to go one, two, three against

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. It's I mean, maybe in the first couple

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Speaker 1: of innings when a starter per Alta's got his best stuff,

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Speaker 1: it's throwing the hardest. Maybe, But I mean by the

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Speaker 1: time you get to the second time around the order,

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Speaker 1: I mean, tasker hernettez is hitting these moon shots. There's

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Speaker 1: I mean Max Moncy is I mean, he has been

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Speaker 1: so good in the postseason for the Dodgers. Freddie Freeman

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Speaker 1: Mooky bets they don't even need their bullpen. Yeah, not

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Speaker 1: even party. The key is they haven't needed their bullpen.

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Speaker 7: You're not mentioning Otani, by the way, I know, Otani's

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Speaker 7: the man and the Yankee stink.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: You know, put judges postseason numbers next to Otani and

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Speaker 7: you can have a conversation if you want to.

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Speaker 1: Now, J Mack with the news, turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 6: Let's start with the team.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 7: Is the most we've talked Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 6: Colin all season. I'm fired up.

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Speaker 7: Love to talk about the Mike Vrabel revenge game. The

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Speaker 7: Patriots come to town to face the wobbly Titans.

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Speaker 6: They fired their coach. I just saw online there.

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Speaker 7: Will be no video tribute for Mike Vrabel returning to Tennessee.

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Speaker 7: Video tributes are stupid. The Tennessee intro coach is a

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Speaker 7: guy by the name of Mike McCoy. Chargers fans certainly

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Speaker 7: remember him.

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Speaker 6: Gollin.

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Speaker 7: I see, I see you rolling your eyes. Listen, it's

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Speaker 7: a plug and play. If you want to take the

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Speaker 7: points in the Titans, you've got to plug your nose

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Speaker 7: because that's a stinky, stinky team.

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid's been fired, Vrabel's been fired, Belichick's been fired.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, Pete Carroll, the reality in this league

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Speaker 1: is is when you let guys like Mike Vrabel out

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Speaker 1: of the building, what are you doing? Like, ask yourself this,

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Speaker 1: when Robert Sala left the Jets building, you let the

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Speaker 1: best coach leave the building. Well, you know we're some

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Speaker 1: of these owners.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 1: You do not ever let Mike Vrabel out of your building.

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Speaker 1: That's why New England was the easiest prediction I made

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Speaker 1: this year. I said they'll double their win total. It's

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Speaker 1: bad organizations. There's nobody to blame. All these fans want

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Speaker 1: to your game is rigged. No, your owner stinks, GM stinks,

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Speaker 1: your coach stinks. Bad teams have bad ownership and bad

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Speaker 1: front offices. If you let Mike Rabel go, bad things

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Speaker 1: happen to your organization, Shame on you.

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Speaker 6: I totally agree. Now, con let's spin it forward.

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Speaker 7: You know, we like to see around corners, who's the

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Speaker 7: next Harball?

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Speaker 6: Who's the next Rabel?

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Speaker 7: Is there someone out there who's had success and is

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Speaker 7: on the market and is a slam dunk. This guy's

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Speaker 7: going to your team to the postseason in a year

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Speaker 7: or two. Is there somebody out there you don't get?

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Speaker 1: You get one of those every four years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's just there's just there's no guarantee. Like Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: was a guarantee. Yes, Vrabel was a guarantee. Harball was

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Speaker 1: a guarantee.

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Speaker 7: Those are all in like the last four years, though

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Speaker 7: that's three of them. There's got to be We just gotta.

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Speaker 1: Think if you're asking me, who would make sure the

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Speaker 1: Jets were watchable? Mike McCarthy, thank you.

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Speaker 6: I like that.

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Speaker 7: I'm just telling you I'm gonna start pounding the drum

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Speaker 7: for him, because I do think he's a winning coach.

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Speaker 7: By the way he left Dallas. How's Dallas playing this year?

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Speaker 7: I know they're they're plucky, but they're not eleven wins.

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Speaker 7: They're not like a contender like they used to be.

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Speaker 1: Remember Marthey McCarthy left Dallas on his urn exactly.

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Speaker 7: He knew that the bottom was falling out of that organization.

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Speaker 7: Is there anyone else do we need to expand our

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Speaker 7: mind a little? Is there anyone else on the market

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Speaker 7: we need to come up with?

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Speaker 1: Let me think real quick, No, I mean no guarantees.

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Speaker 7: Well, I was gonna say a certain guy who's coaching

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Speaker 7: in Chapel Hill right now.

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Speaker 6: But uh, I think the bloom was off that rose. Huh.

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Speaker 1: Bill's brand has taking such a weird turn and beating

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Speaker 1: and like you know.

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Speaker 6: Got to bylow stock. Bill Belichick is trading for pennies

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Speaker 6: on the dollar right now. He knows a little about winning.

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Speaker 1: The need a coach. Who's going to need a coach

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Speaker 1: next year?

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Speaker 7: We're probably the Giants, probably where Bill coached previously. I

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Speaker 7: think Davile's getting run, but maybe the Jets, maybe the

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Speaker 7: Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: Dolphins for sure, Dolphins for sure.

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Speaker 6: Tennessee Titans job is already open. Who else has been under?

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Speaker 6: I don't think hardball is gonna.

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Speaker 1: Get to Mike McCarthy down in Miami. You could do

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Speaker 1: a lot worse. That's probably who I'd hire. You could do.

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Speaker 1: It's an offensive league. Dak had eight years with him.

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Speaker 1: You could do a lot worse than Mike mcarth.

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Speaker 6: How about Arizona with Gannon? Is he going to get run?

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Speaker 1: I think he's a good coach. Oh. Interesting, we love

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Speaker 1: firing guys.

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Speaker 6: I like, what are you talking about? You're the one

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Speaker 6: firing people left and right. All right, let's move on.

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Speaker 7: To the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin the offense has been pretty

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Speaker 7: terrible and everybody wants answers. Nick Sirianni gave his offensive

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Speaker 7: corner Kevin Petullo the dreaded vote of confidence. Patulo talked

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Speaker 7: about his relationship with the players.

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Speaker 8: I think the comment, you know, Layne had and what's

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Speaker 8: great about the players is the communication with all of

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Speaker 8: us is constant, right, whether it's during game, whether it's

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Speaker 8: during the week, evon days off, you know, things like that.

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Speaker 8: So that's been really, really good and productive for us.

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Speaker 8: And I think it was very productive. We had a

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Speaker 8: good meeting, essays and offensive unit, and so I think

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Speaker 8: we're gonna good spot working forward.

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Speaker 7: M it's that line coming down. It was two and

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Speaker 7: a half yesterday, now one and a half. Colin, I

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Speaker 7: gotta say, this guy's in a no win spot. Okay,

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Speaker 7: you take over as OC for a team that won

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Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. I mean, the only way to keep

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Speaker 7: your job is what repeat like.

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Speaker 6: He's it feels a little.

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Speaker 7: I know they're not playing great, but it does it

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Speaker 7: not feel like sky is falling at four and two

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Speaker 7: for the Eels, Like can we take a deep breath

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Speaker 7: in Philly?

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Speaker 6: Or is that not allowed?

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Speaker 1: Well, Philadelphia's best case, worst case, best job, worst job

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Speaker 1: scenario in that the pressure is like Kentucky basketball, it's

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Speaker 1: literally not fair to be a coach. I mean, Calipari

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Speaker 1: kept getting to Sweet sixteen's or at least getting into

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Speaker 1: the tournament. He won a Natty, and they were never

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Speaker 1: really satisfied. Now he lost a couple of games in

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Speaker 1: the tournament to bad teams and it was timed for

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Speaker 1: a new Boys. But there are these kind of places

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Speaker 1: where like Ohio State football, Yeah, and I think Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: in pro sports has almost a collegiate delusion in zelotry,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it's because Howie Roseman is so respected.

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Speaker 1: Is that everybody's like, well, we always have the best

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Speaker 1: GM and the best players, so our coach has to win. Now,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia does things that bad organizations do, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: affect them. They fire good coaches or winning coaches, and

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Speaker 1: they get rid of good quarterbacks or productive quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 1: they take big swings and it usually works. So Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: has got a little low level chaos in terms of

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Speaker 1: who's the coach, who's the coordinate, who's the quarterback? They'll

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Speaker 1: move off. I'm telling you right now, everybody loves Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 1: but Greg Cosel's been telling us this for years from

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Speaker 1: the pocket he's mediocre, that he's not. He's a smaller quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So you have to win a certain way in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: and the more Jalen throws, the less effective the offense is.

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Speaker 1: So you have to just own the fact you got

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Speaker 1: to get the on line in the running game, right.

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Speaker 1: Everything else in Philly feeds off that.

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Speaker 7: Can you imagine if they lose to the Vikings column

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Speaker 7: fall the four and three.

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Speaker 1: Wise guys, you know what side they're on.

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Speaker 7: Eagle O'Connell off a bye oh now that I'm just saying.

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Speaker 7: At four and three, I'll be honest. You know, we

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Speaker 7: keep it real on this show. Authenticity's big. I thought

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Speaker 7: your AJ Brown take was. I never chimed in on it.

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Speaker 7: I will say, if they fall to four and three

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Speaker 7: and it's like we need to change things up, all

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Speaker 7: of a.

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Speaker 1: Sudden, your A. J.

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Speaker 6: Brown takes out seems pretty good. What can we get?

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Speaker 7: Get this guy out of here? We need to change

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Speaker 7: the juju in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that ruins a great locker room is drama.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's the only thing that ruins a

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Speaker 1: great locker room. Injuries or drama. They're not dealing with

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Speaker 1: how many injuries, it's drama.

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Speaker 7: My final story is MVP odds for the NFL this season.

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Speaker 6: Listen. Patrick Mahomes' number one should not surprise anybody. He's

666
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Speaker 6: been good.

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Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen are tied for second. Your

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Speaker 7: guy Drake may checking in at fourth.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'll let you go off. Where's Sam Donald in this list?

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Speaker 7: I mean Sam Darnold's been the second best quarterback in

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Speaker 7: the league this season after Baker.

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Speaker 1: I would go Baker won, Mahomes two, Donald three.

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Speaker 6: We're at the one third of the way mark.

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Speaker 7: Like you don't call a horse race one third of

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Speaker 7: the way through, you know, Like, I'm not going to

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Speaker 7: go over four.

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Speaker 6: Don't what are you doing?

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Speaker 7: Don't bet on Mahomes two in the MVP at plus

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Speaker 7: one seventy five or way better numbers weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, how about Drake May What a great story.

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Speaker 6: He's been quite good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Patriots have as many wins now as they had all

688
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Speaker 1: last season, and if you look, they have the easiest

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Speaker 1: remaining schedule in the league. So you spend two hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy five million or whatever it was on free agency,

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Speaker 1: you get the coach and the quarterback, right, I'm serious, though,

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Speaker 1: you let Mike Rabel out of a building. Shame on you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Michigan lost Harball. Harball was going to go.

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Speaker 1: But they're they're sometimes like when Robert Salad got fired

695
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Speaker 1: and he goes to San Francisco and they're all banged

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Speaker 1: up and the defense is planing out of its mind.

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Speaker 1: Just good rule even if somebody, if you own a

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Speaker 1: company and somebody's struggling in a unit or a department,

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Speaker 1: but they're really smart and really talented, don't let them

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Speaker 1: out of the building. There's not that many smart talented people.

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Speaker 1: Vrabel's really smart and they just let him walk. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to fire you, Okay, how you've been since then,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noone Easter, not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: In thoughts this week. You know, Buffalo for about a

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Speaker 1: six year run here, we've had them just a notch

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Speaker 1: below like a Philadelphia or a Kansas City. But after

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Speaker 1: losing to New England and then losing to Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennick's kind of shredding them. They're just not that

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Speaker 1: good defensively. And you know, Sean McDermott, let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen has not let this franchise down in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott's defense has let them down in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So that's a burden. He's got a bear. Robert May's

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Speaker 1: a podcaster sports writer from the Athletics stop by this

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Speaker 1: week and talked about just this defense and why it's

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Speaker 1: not working now.

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Speaker 11: When Joe Brady took over, they developed this really downhill

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Speaker 11: run game that they could rely on, and now they

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Speaker 11: have this flexibility where if we need to throw the

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Speaker 11: ball forty times, we can, If we need to run

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Speaker 11: the ball forty times, we can't. That evolution has not

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Speaker 11: happened on defense. All they're doing now is they're tinkering

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Speaker 11: within the same world in which they've always existed, and

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Speaker 11: I think that's where you're seeing some of the limitations,

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Speaker 11: and ultimately that does.

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Speaker 1: Fall on the coach.

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Speaker 11: The Bill's offense figured that out, we're going to be

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Speaker 11: the dominant, We're going to be the enforcers. Now, the

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Speaker 11: Bill's defense has never gotten there, and I think you're

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Speaker 11: seeing how that's holding them back right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, they struggled with the Jets, they struggled

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Speaker 1: with the Saints, they struggled with the Dolphins, They've struggled

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Speaker 1: with the one in five Ravens. Their top five draft

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Speaker 1: picks were all defense. Now one of them is yet

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Speaker 1: to play as a corner Harriston, But they acquired Joey Bosa.

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Speaker 1: They paid guys in the offseason defensive players, so they

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Speaker 1: drafted it, they acquired it, they paid it. It's still bad.

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Speaker 1: They're allowing five point eight yards per rush and that

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Speaker 1: is the worst since the nineteen thirty four Cincinnati Reds,

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Speaker 1: and I swear they're a baseball franchise, So it's bad.

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Speaker 1: Like a Joe Nuxall wasn't a good tackler or something.

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Speaker 1: It's just bad. And Nick Wright brought a very interesting

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Speaker 1: point up about the McDermott Josh Allen partnership.

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Speaker 10: Every single coach quarterback combo that has ever won at

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Speaker 10: least one Super Bowl together won their first Super Bowl

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Speaker 10: together within five years of being together. For McDermott and Allen,

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Speaker 10: and by the way, Lamar and Harball.

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Speaker 1: This is year eight.

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Speaker 10: No one else has taken this long to have it

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Speaker 10: happen and then it actually happened. So history tells us

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Speaker 10: for either of those teams to get over the hump,

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Speaker 10: they probably will need to at some point make a change.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, just think about that, is what Nick

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Speaker 1: is saying, and it's factually true. If you're really an

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Speaker 1: elite coach in those first four or five years, go

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Speaker 1: back to Shula Marino. Those are the super Bowl years

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Speaker 1: because then they get older, they get beat up, they

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Speaker 1: get expensive. You have limitations in modern football. You go

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Speaker 1: to make Hay early. I mean McVeigh got golf to

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl early and then he won it with Stafford.

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Speaker 1: But they were winning a lot of games with Goff

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Speaker 1: and McVeigh and they got to a super Bowl. So

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Speaker 1: if you can't get to a super Bowl, you can say, well,

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Speaker 1: it's like Phil Mickelson. We know he wasn't Tiger. He

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Speaker 1: could still win majors when Tiger was in his prime.

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Speaker 1: He would have won more without Tiger, but he could

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Speaker 1: still but he could still Sunday on the leader board,

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Speaker 1: finish on top. If you're going to be great, you

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Speaker 1: got to do it in certain years. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like neck Worth where people generally get rich late.

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Speaker 1: When the quarterbacks first five or six years. Your ability

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Speaker 1: to spot him, polish, refine, elevate and surround him with

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Speaker 1: elite talent. Now you're at a point where, well, he's

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Speaker 1: very expensive. And that's why Brett Veetz, the general manager

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Speaker 1: of Kansas City, you have got a hit on fifth

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Speaker 1: and SAYD than seven. So Kansas City is the perfect

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Speaker 1: match where they've been kind of you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of smoking mirrors a wide receiver for two or three years.

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Speaker 1: I do think Rashi Rice is really talented and really

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Speaker 1: has questionable judgment. But they have hit on enough mid

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Speaker 1: to low round draft picks that okay that you have

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way. Once you pay Dak and

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Speaker 1: Patrick and Herbert, you got to start hitting on fifth rounders.

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Speaker 1: You need cheap labor. And so I look at Buffalo

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Speaker 1: right now and they you know, now again, I think

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Speaker 1: their top pick Harriston in the corner has not played.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to play. That could solve some

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Speaker 1: of it on the back end. But you know, you

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Speaker 1: got to you gotta get when they getting's good. And

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Speaker 1: you you know, I've said this, I watched Cam Newton

792
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Speaker 1: and Ben Roethlisberger age overnight because they took so many hits.

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Speaker 1: And you probably have four great years of Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and then he'll be great beyond that, but he won't

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Speaker 1: be quite the same. So other big story today, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty significant. The rumors are out that Penn State and

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Speaker 1: they got a lot of money, Penn State spending seven

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Speaker 1: hundred million on a stadium upgrade forty five million to

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Speaker 1: get rid of the guy behind me, James Franklin. Rumors

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Speaker 1: are they want Marcus Freeman and they probably have to

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Speaker 1: spend one hundred million on a six year deal for

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Speaker 1: he and the staff. They've clearly got no issues financially.

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Speaker 1: And my take is, you know, Notre Dame's a special place.

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Speaker 1: It's not that special. You better pay Marcus Freeman because

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Speaker 1: I can remember a lot of misses after lou Holtz.

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Speaker 1: We can all remember the misses Ty Willingham, Bob Davey,

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Speaker 1: good gentleman, missus. Notre Dame's hard, and you know Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame Brian Kelly won there and later admitted it's tough.

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Speaker 1: It's a tough place. You've got the academic umbrella, You've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of pressure. It's iconic. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: not always the easiest place to get a kid from

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Speaker 1: Texas when he goes up there and sees that it's

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Speaker 1: cold all the time and it's out in the middle

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Speaker 1: of nowhere. So you got to pay the money for

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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman. Notre Dame. You got to step up. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, when you get a great coach or

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Speaker 1: a great CEO or a great employee. That's the reality

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Speaker 1: of it. Sometimes you got to tear the contract up

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Speaker 1: and start over. So that's who I would target. Marcus Freeman.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even I mean, listen, here's how the agent

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Speaker 1: game works. Media gets frustrated fans. I don't think Marcus

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Speaker 1: Freeman's interested in it. I don't. I think Notre Dame's

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Speaker 1: a better job. I didn't think that maybe seven, eight

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Speaker 1: years ago, but then Brian Kelly turned it around. Marcus Freeman.

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Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame is a better job than Penn State.

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Speaker 1: But I think Penn State's a better job than all

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Speaker 1: but about seven jobs in college football. I think there's

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Speaker 1: seven Stot Michigan. It's not Notre Dame, it's not Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather coach at USC or Texas, probably Georgia. But

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Speaker 1: it's good. Penn State's a good job. Our three