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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's Thursday. Greg co sells around the corner.

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Speaker 1: Forty six years of NFL films. We are live. It's Chicago,

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Speaker 1: it's the Herd. Mariners still lead the Jays two to

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Speaker 1: one of the series, Dodgers and the Brewers resuming play.

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Speaker 1: You know, so tonight old guys Aaron Rodgers, quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, faces old guy Joe Flacco for Cincinnati at

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Speaker 1: pay Corps Stadium in Cincinnati. Years ago, I think it

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Speaker 1: was about two thousand and eight, Jerry Cooney met George

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Speaker 1: Foreman in Vegas and they called it two geezers at Caesars.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna call Aaron and Flacco tonight, two guys

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Speaker 1: who were old and sore at pay Corps. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take Aaron and the Steelers twenty seven, twenty three, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a fairly competitive game. Here's Aaron Rodgers talking

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Speaker 1: about facing another forty year old quarterback. I think it's

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Speaker 1: great to.

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Speaker 3: Wait for all the old guys, you know. I know

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Speaker 3: that when I watch other sports.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I'm the older guy, but I tend

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Speaker 1: to to pull for the older guys to to win,

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Speaker 1: to win championships. Aaron can go five and one tonight

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Speaker 1: with a win. Greg Cosel fifteen minutes, we all get smarter.

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Speaker 1: So many questions to ask. So I think in the

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Speaker 1: last three weeks, I think Mahomes has been so good.

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Speaker 1: And I was saying it this week, only the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: can take Hollywood Brown and Juju's ms Schuster and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden you're like, oh, these are dynamic players.

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Speaker 1: Now were these good? I've always held he's a bit

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Speaker 1: more gadget guy than he is volume guy. But when

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Speaker 1: you look at the Chiefs, is it Mahomes's magic or

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Speaker 1: is it scheme? Because Hollywood Brown could go on thirty

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Speaker 1: teams and not make an impact, and yet it's a

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Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns on the Chiefs. Is it schemer Mahomes?

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Speaker 4: Well, Colin, it's funny I thought last week in particular,

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Speaker 4: was very scheme based. I thought they had a really

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Speaker 4: good sense and it comes of course from Andy Reid

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Speaker 4: and Matt Nagi, a very good sense of what they

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Speaker 4: were getting from the Lions defense. And now don't forget

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Speaker 4: the Lions were playing with backup corners on the outside.

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Speaker 4: They were playing with a number of other backups as well,

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Speaker 4: and I thought they had a really good few for

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Speaker 3: And I thought it was really scheme based.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a Mahomes game in the sense that, Wow,

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Speaker 4: he did some special things.

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Speaker 3: I thought he executed at.

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Speaker 4: A really high level a really well designed offense. I

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Speaker 4: thought the best individual play he made Colin was on

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Speaker 4: the first possession when he hit Smith Schuster on the

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Speaker 4: crosser that was not the primary receiver, that was the

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Speaker 4: backside crosser. And that was just one of those special

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Speaker 4: Mahomes plays because Kirby Joseph, who's very good as an

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Speaker 4: interceptor reads quarterbacks, well, he was waiting right there and

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Speaker 4: I think he thought he was going to make a

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Speaker 3: But Mahomes with.

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Speaker 4: The arm strength and just his understanding of spatial awareness,

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Speaker 4: which is as good as anyone we've seen. He just

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Speaker 4: made a big time throw. But that game was much

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Speaker 4: more to me watching the tape scheme based than wow,

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Speaker 4: look at these great individual plays.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the team that was seen as

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Speaker 1: the nemesis, the arts nemesis, the primary rival of the Chiefs, Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: So my take is what you want to do in

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Speaker 1: the NFL is draft a quarterback, get the right quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and then make him comfortable weapons and protection. Drake London, Sure,

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Speaker 1: John Robinson, Michael Pennix. We can just say Buffalo's defense

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Speaker 1: isn't very good. But I thought Pennix and London and Robinson,

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty potent, especially indoors. That

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Speaker 4: And the way they use b John Robinson is really good.

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Speaker 3: But he's more than just a running back. They line

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Speaker 3: him up all over. This is a pistol offense.

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Speaker 4: By the way they run pistol a very very high

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Speaker 3: Seventy one of Bjohn's carries this year, of his eighty

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Speaker 4: Have come out of pistol and it's outside zone for

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Speaker 4: the most part, but they really use him in multiple ways.

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Speaker 4: The Bills don't really have a strong pass rush. They've

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Speaker 4: tried to upgrade it, but it's still not good enough

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Speaker 4: with a four man d line and offensively, Colin to me,

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Speaker 4: when you have Josh Allen, I think that your pass

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Speaker 3: A little more expansive.

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Speaker 4: I know they don't have great receivers, but you know

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Speaker 4: what to me to construct a pass game tactically and

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Speaker 4: conceptually and the way you attack zone. I think they

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Speaker 4: need to do more things. You know, Josh Allener quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He can make throws. I almost feel like they're a

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Speaker 4: running football team and if the game demands, then it's

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Speaker 3: But I don't think you can play like that every week.

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Speaker 4: I think you need more consistency with what you do

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Speaker 4: conceptually in your pass game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I said it this week is that I

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Speaker 1: feel like Sean Payton squeezes every ounce out of bow nicks.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson has clearly gotten moret a Caleb than the

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Speaker 1: previous coach. Andy Reid does it with gadget players and backups.

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Speaker 1: I rarely watch Buffalo and go wow, that's creative. Offensively,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think they have some players I like,

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Speaker 1: but I don't see that. Speaking of Caleb, I didn't

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Speaker 1: are two things I worried about it. I agree with you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I watched him out of usc The two criticisms that

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Speaker 1: were valid consistent accuracy and playing with instructure. I think

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Speaker 1: he's gotten better within structure. I think his accuracy is

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Speaker 1: still a major problem. How would you grade him on

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Speaker 4: I would say that both of the things you said

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Speaker 4: are very valid. I think even some completions that he

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Speaker 4: hasn't been as sharp with his ball location as he

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Speaker 4: needs to be. That's an area he can must continue

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Speaker 4: to improve. He throws a beautiful ball, He's an easy thrower.

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Speaker 4: I think Ben Johnson has really designed some really good

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Speaker 4: things for him. Touchdown to Swift on third down was

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Speaker 4: just a beautifully conceived and well designed play that presented

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Speaker 4: just an easy routine throw and then of course Swift

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Speaker 4: which is the better term now than just accuracy, the

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Speaker 4: ball location has to get more and more consistent because

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of inbreaking throws in the Ben Johnson offense,

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Speaker 4: and you want to hit receivers on inbreaking throws where

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Speaker 4: they have run after catch, and he needs to get

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Speaker 4: better at that because that's foundationally much of what that

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Speaker 1: So you and I have both always loved Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: and that Chargers Colts game is going to be a

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Speaker 1: real game. Herbert made a play to Lad McConkey switching

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Speaker 1: hands with the ball. Is that what's fascinating about the Chargers. Now,

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Speaker 1: we know the coach is good, we know Herbert's great,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't have Quinton Johnson. They didn't have their

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Speaker 1: top two backs, they didn't have their tackles. So when

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Speaker 1: you look at film on the Chargers, and sometimes fans

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Speaker 1: and immediate we can be unfair with this. There's just

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Speaker 1: things Greg they can't do now. So when I watched them,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, Lad mcconky's great, No Quintin Johnson

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Speaker 1: that game, traveling three thousand miles, I was actually impressed.

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be close now that Alt Hampton

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Speaker 1: Khalil Max coming back. When you watch the Chargers on film,

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Speaker 1: is there anything more Herbert and on Harbaugh can do

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Speaker 1: or this is just what they are now?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they played that game based on tape study,

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Speaker 4: not to expose the limitations of the offensive line, because

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Speaker 4: there were a lot of quick rhythm three step drop timing,

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Speaker 4: quick five step drop timing throws. He rarely dropped back deep,

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Speaker 4: he did not. He hardly ever threw the ball at

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Speaker 4: the intermediate and deeper levels. Everything was quick game, Colin,

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Speaker 4: And I think your point's right. Right now, they're playing

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Speaker 4: he's starting at right tackle. So they played this game

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Speaker 4: not to expose their offensive line, and they played sixteen

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Speaker 4: very effectively out of that And even this touchdown to

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Speaker 3: So right now, now it's coaching.

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Speaker 4: Now you have to understand what you can do and

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Speaker 4: what you can't do and play accordingly.

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Speaker 1: So Philadelphia, speaking of coaching, we've said this before Siriani's

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Speaker 1: more motivator than scheme guru. And when they had good

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Speaker 1: coordinator Stikeen and Steikin took over the play calling, they

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Speaker 1: were elite. He leaves the substitute, find a new OC.

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Speaker 1: It does not look good, arrys Bin. Then they get

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. It's better now they've made another replacement for

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Speaker 1: a young man that was on the staff had never

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Speaker 1: a coaching crisis. People could point to in injuries, but

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Speaker 1: it's the NFL. Nobody's totally healthy. Don't they have to

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Speaker 1: Just if I just said to you they run the

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Speaker 1: isn't it just as simple as, guys, here's what we are.

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Speaker 1: We're a run team. Is it any more complicated than.

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Speaker 4: That, Well, not significantly so. But I think when you

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Speaker 4: watch their tape the last couple of years. Okay, don't

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Speaker 4: forget they had an historic season a year ago with

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Speaker 4: the run game. But I think when you watch the

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Speaker 4: tape and people around the league would echo this, they

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. You can talk stich and all you want.

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Speaker 4: They led the NFL in quarterback sacks and had about

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Speaker 4: thirty of them on third down. So they were a

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Speaker 4: team built in the trenches. It started with the O

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Speaker 4: line and the D line, and right now neither one

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Speaker 4: of those units is playing at even an average level.

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Speaker 4: So the question you then ask is where do they

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Speaker 4: go from here? You know, get the running game back.

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Speaker 4: The old line has been poor this year, Colin, not

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Speaker 4: even average, but poor.

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Speaker 3: So the question is what's next?

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Speaker 4: Do you have to try to create, you know, to

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Speaker 4: use your term gimmick type plays on offense?

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Speaker 3: What can you do on offense?

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Speaker 4: You also, on offense always have to play to what

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Speaker 4: your quarterback is. And I think they've told you. I

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Speaker 4: don't think we have to guess this. I think they've

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Speaker 4: told you by how they play that they believe that

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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts has pure dropback limitations, which by the way,

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Speaker 4: that tape does show. So the question is if they

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Speaker 4: can't run it, are they limited in what the answers are?

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent, but I think they're kind of telling

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I got Before we get to our big play,

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Speaker 3: So sure.

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Speaker 1: I think Jordan Love is the best quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: got the size of the arm movement. We all kind

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Speaker 1: of know that's a good quarterback. That's an average guy.

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Speaker 1: I think Jordan's a really good quarterback. But they're not

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Speaker 1: scoring a ton. They're in a lot of close games. Now,

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Speaker 1: my interpretation is this is the youngest offense in the league.

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Speaker 1: It's almost collegiate. It's twenty three years and twenty four

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Speaker 1: Seattle's really young. They're finding themselves and sometimes this is

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Speaker 1: What do you see now? People say, well, they lost here,

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Speaker 1: they're close here. I think Jordan Love is an exceptional quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Not allan, but he's exceptional. What does the tape say?

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Speaker 4: You know, it is only third year as a starter,

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Speaker 4: a third year starter. I think one thing that I've

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Speaker 3: You know, I think he's a little bit less.

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Speaker 4: Reckless now and he's become a little more efficient in

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Speaker 4: how he plays. Every once in a while, i'll throw

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Speaker 4: one and you go, maybe you shouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 4: But I think the way he's playing is a little

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Speaker 4: So there's not as many big plays, which maybe is

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Speaker 4: the reason they're not necessarily scoring as many points. They've

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Speaker 4: team that can be that.

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Speaker 3: Can win multiple ways.

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Speaker 4: They can win with a run game, they can win

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Speaker 4: with efficient passing, they can win with big play passing,

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Speaker 4: and I think it will continue to come together. But

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Speaker 4: the tape really shows a quarterback that I believe is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So tonight Aaron Rodgers takes on Pittsburgh. Now, I

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Speaker 1: have defended Aaron. Pittsburgh's a very unique offense between Washington

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Speaker 1: when we're playing second tier quarterbacks. The PFF grades and

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Speaker 4: But one thing does that the tape shows is they're

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Speaker 4: a very condensed passing game. They played last week with

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Speaker 4: and they're winning games.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

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Speaker 4: So you know, you're not going to change until it's

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Speaker 4: demanded that you change. But he does not push the

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Speaker 4: the reality. That's what the tape shows. It's really a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they they really do. They're the biggest offense

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Speaker 1: next couple of minutes, I've been so impressed with Drake

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Speaker 4: When I watch him, I feel like there's such a

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Speaker 4: He's an easy thrower. He's been phenomenal in two areas

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Speaker 4: this is what I call pocket movement, which is different

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Speaker 4: than leaving the pocket Colin. He moves around the pocket.

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Speaker 4: He keeps his eyes downfield. He does not drop his

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Speaker 4: He moves within the pocket and then makes really good throws.

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Speaker 4: And you don't see a lot of young quarterbacks with

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Speaker 4: But he just looks very comfortable. And you know you

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Speaker 4: talk about coaches. I know you talked about the Jets.

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Speaker 3: That's the way to me. You have to do it

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Speaker 4: And then you can design things too that present clean

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Speaker 3: This was a great example of that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this was a shot play, and a shot

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Speaker 3: So now I'm not going.

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Speaker 4: To say this is an easy throw, Colin, because it's

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Speaker 3: But it's a.

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Speaker 4: Defined, clean look and that's what you're trying to do

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Speaker 4: with young quarterbacks. And as I said, this was a

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Speaker 3: I think each and every week.

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Speaker 1: Greg co sal NFL films forty six years, as always

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Speaker 1: we get smarter.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Greg, Thanks Colin, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: For the record, I defended a broadcast for another network

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Speaker 1: I've been saying this week is Caleb wasn't great. He

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Speaker 1: He's aware of it. He knows it, you know. Jaden

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Speaker 1: Don't throw balls where they have to go back and

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Speaker 1: they set themselves up. That's where Caleb's got to grow.

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Speaker 1: I do think he's playing and being coachable in structure

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Speaker 1: that part. I think he's shown clear strides over three weeks.

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Speaker 5: Colin, how much of this is? It was an Island

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Speaker 2: He played like he did Monday. At one pm on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's any this discussion, Well, he missed

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Speaker 5: He's a second year quarterback in a brand new system.

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Speaker 5: He ain't gonna ever be Dusin Herbert. I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: And he was fine.

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Speaker 1: I said he was fine. Yeah, but let let's not

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Speaker 1: go beyond it. He was fine and they won. Washington

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Speaker 1: was driving for the winning the cover and fumbled, so

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Speaker 1: it's like it was fine. Yeah, you had a three

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Speaker 1: turnover advantage. You know that. Washington's not a great team

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Speaker 1: so far. I'm still not sure Jayden Daniels is one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent. I think he's close to it, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's quite there.

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Speaker 5: But it's interesting because they got the Saints, this weet

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Speaker 5: the Bears. Okay, line's coming down. There's some money coming

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Speaker 5: in on the Saints. Not a lot, but it's early.

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Speaker 5: I'm curious how Caleb handles a little success. Colin right,

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Speaker 5: his coach is defending him in the media. He beat

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Speaker 5: Jayden Daniels head to head.

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Speaker 1: No, he's a very aspirational kid. He wants to be great.

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Speaker 1: He's a worker. I don't about any of that. And

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Speaker 1: you can see he's coachable because he is playing in structure.

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Speaker 1: That that part I'm seeing. But the accuracy thing, we

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Speaker 1: got to be honest, Like bow Nicks may never be

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Speaker 1: a great deep ball thrower, and Caleb maybe around sixty

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Speaker 1: two and a half percent sixty three with his horsepower,

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Speaker 1: You're fine.

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Speaker 3: But don't say never.

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Speaker 5: Say never, because we were seeing Baker turning around, Darnold

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Speaker 5: turning around, to the point Daniel Jones. I mean, maybe

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Speaker 5: it's just six games or whatever, but Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 5: doing things we never saw him do with the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Remember he was Vanilla vic. He was just running because

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Speaker 2: he couldn't throw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think I thought it was an encouraging step.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this. The thing about the Bears is

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Speaker 1: the last two games they won, they would have lost

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Speaker 1: those last year. They're winning this league. Is w's win

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Speaker 1: the game? You know this is not baseball where well

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Speaker 1: you know what, tomorrow we're going to use the bullpen

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Speaker 1: like win the game. Everything wins solves a lot in

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Speaker 1: a locker room. Dave wants that always says that you

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Speaker 1: can lose two straight games, you can lose games. You

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Speaker 1: lose three straight, you start losing the locker room. And

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Speaker 1: so the Bears last year lost the room. They weren't

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Speaker 1: just losing games. So just winning games on a block

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Speaker 1: kick or a fumble. You know what, practice is better.

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Speaker 1: The drive to works better. There's less grumbling. People are

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Speaker 1: getting not enough touches. But I still think I need

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Speaker 1: more Colston Lovelin in the offense. I think he's kind

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Speaker 1: of lost a little bit more. I want more Luther

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Speaker 1: Burden to get from Missouri. I think he's good. He

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Speaker 1: only had I think four catches.

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Speaker 1: Oh wha, what what the hell are you doing out

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Speaker 1: JUDEA hit.

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Speaker 2: Him, Pauline, Ignore that fool.

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Speaker 2: He's still moving.

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Speaker 1: I just saw where the Sportico came out with their

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Speaker 1: latest valuations of the most valuable NBA franchises and the

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Speaker 1: Warriors at eleven and a half billion dollars are the

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Speaker 1: most valuable NBA franchise. Lakers follow Nicks or in the

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Speaker 1: nine billion dollar range, So Clippers I think were fourth.

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Speaker 1: It shows you the power of Los Angeles. Years ago,

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Speaker 1: in the Rams left Saint Louis to go to Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of complaining, how can you pull

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Speaker 1: it out of Saint Louis? How can you not pull

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Speaker 1: it out of Saint Louis. LA didn't have an NFL franchise.

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Speaker 1: I think the Spanos is moving up was much tougher

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Speaker 1: from San Diego, which you had a diehard fan base

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Speaker 1: up the I five. That was a tougher move, but

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Speaker 1: they had issues with local politicians, say Lewis is kind

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Speaker 1: of a dying American city. LA needed like a I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is Saint Louis Hartford. There are cities in America

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Speaker 1: that are not ascending and growing, and they're they're not

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Speaker 1: terribly economically vibrant. And there are cities that like New

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Speaker 1: York and Chicago and Philly and Boston in Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: Dallas and LA that are in San Francisco. So, I

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the reality was when you moved

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Stan Cronke on the team, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: how do you not do this? I mean for years

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Speaker 1: and years, Like Las Vegas, You're sitting there thinking no

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Speaker 1: state tax. It's a it'll be a great winter destination.

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Speaker 1: You know, you put them in a division. You've got

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Speaker 1: Denver and you've got Kansas City. Where are you going

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Speaker 1: to go? If you have a December game, You're going

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Speaker 1: to go to Las Vegas or a November game. So

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Speaker 1: it's just it's interesting. Like the Warriors when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid, were great, then they went forever of being mediocre.

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Speaker 1: They're back as a you know, a hot franchise, number

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Speaker 1: one valuation right now in the NBA. JMAC with now yeah.

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Speaker 3: News, no turn on the news.

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Speaker 6: This is the herd line news.

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Speaker 1: Right cod.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with the other New York football team, not

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Speaker 5: my Jets. Let's go to the Giants Jackson Dartan cam Scataboo.

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Speaker 5: They got the city taken by storm. The vibes are great.

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Speaker 5: I got some nicknames for these two. Uh shortly, but first, uh,

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Speaker 5: let's go to the young QB talking about the new

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Speaker 5: culture in New York.

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Speaker 2: For the Giants, you know, the vibe is just you know,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to set a standard in.

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Speaker 1: The locker room.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're trying to play tough. We're trying to

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Speaker 2: you know, win it all costs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Denver. Denver is interesting because the Giants ould line

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Speaker 1: is okay, They're coming off a big win and feeling themselves,

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Speaker 1: and Denver played poorly and one struggled with the New

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Speaker 1: York team. They shouldn't my my, my head is telling

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Speaker 1: me that Denver should win and Jackson Dart and Scataboo struggle.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I like where your head is at.

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Speaker 5: So a couple of nicknames are floating around about these

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Speaker 5: two guys. Right, there're two young white guys in the Giants.

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Speaker 5: Dart is handsome, right, he's got that look with the

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Speaker 5: with the headband going on. So I've seen exciting whites, uh.

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Speaker 2: To describe Dart and Scataboo.

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Speaker 5: And then someone else has suggested arm and hammer, you know,

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Speaker 5: like the baking soda. That's good, listen, people love these guys.

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Speaker 5: We had one of the hair ladies here at Fox

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Speaker 5: not ladies. She's younger, but she was at the Giants

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Speaker 5: Eagles game and she's like, Jason, what do you think

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Speaker 5: of cam Skataboo and she just said his energy just

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Speaker 5: being like around him. He is just like fun and

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Speaker 5: happy and everybody likes that guy. So there's something going

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Speaker 5: on here. But I think it ends this weekend call.

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Speaker 5: I think the Broncos put it on him. I'll be

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Speaker 5: surprised if Jackson Dart survives this game, if he wants

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Speaker 5: to run like he has been because those Broncos linebackers

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Speaker 5: are some of the best.

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Speaker 2: In the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's arm and hammer is funny. Sat Scataboo

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Speaker 1: is he went like in the fourth round. And it's

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Speaker 1: interesting because I watched a lot of Arizona State, I

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Speaker 1: watched him in college. I didn't think Jackson Dart was

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Speaker 1: a first round quarterback. I thought he was a second

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Speaker 1: round quarterback. Scataboo, I had no idea. So it's very

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Speaker 1: rare in the NFL when you draft two guys and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions and they both deliver, both

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Speaker 1: are better. Nobody thought Scataboo would be this Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, everybody in the league passed on him

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Speaker 1: three times, and many teams, you know, they passed on

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Speaker 1: him four times, So everybody's now an expert in hindsight

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Speaker 1: Scataboo is better than everybody thought. I went back after

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Speaker 1: that game last week and I went back and looked

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Speaker 1: at his draft previews, and I mean, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot people liked about him. But he is a line

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Speaker 1: He's an interior linebacker that plays running back and that's

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Speaker 1: how he played.

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Speaker 2: Come on, he's awesome. Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 5: This is a tough question at right now, as of

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Speaker 5: this juncture, middle of October twenty twenty five, would you

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Speaker 5: rather be the Giants or the Jets?

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Speaker 2: Now take your time, don't you say old enough?

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Speaker 5: The Jets obviously just Jackson dart at your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Jets have nothing. Who would you rather be?

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Speaker 1: Well, I've said before, the Giants have an elite defensive front.

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Speaker 1: The Jets are hit and miss. The Giants have their

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Speaker 1: left tackle. The Giants went healthy, have a star receiver,

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Speaker 1: apparently a franchise quarterback, and an offensive coach. Okay, Jets

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Speaker 1: have a coach who appears to be a coordinator.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with wrong answer.

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Speaker 5: Jackson, dark franchise quarterback after what four games? Simmon down now, Colin,

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Speaker 5: come on, listen. He may flame out quickly. The Jets

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Speaker 5: are going to get the number one pick. You want

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Speaker 5: an elite superstar. We don't know the darts elite.

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Speaker 2: You think he's got the potential to be elite.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if Dante Moore is a great quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Hey, mock draft came out today, Ty Simpson with it

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Speaker 5: going number one to the Jets. Alabama kid who I've

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Speaker 5: been hyping on the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I know Jets fans are down. Guys.

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Speaker 5: It's the darkness before the light comes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's dark right now. It looks bleak. Coward's making

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Speaker 2: fun of us every day. We're in a good spot.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the Niners.

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Speaker 5: Colin finally a topic that J mack likes.

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Speaker 2: Brock Purdy. Yes, he's back.

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Speaker 5: Colin, one of the best quarterbacks in the league, returns

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Speaker 5: to practice, but he's limited. I am waiting for Ricky

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Speaker 5: Piersoll aka Rashi Rice to return to the lineup.

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Speaker 2: We don't know. We don't know about Juwan Jennings.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, Warner's down for the season and both as well.

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Speaker 5: Niners Falcons is interesting. Does it matter to you if

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Speaker 5: it's Party or McEnroe Jones.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily. I'm more interested in Piersall and Iyuk.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, I feel like Mac Jones and Perdy

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Speaker 1: can both run the offense. I think Mac throws a

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Speaker 1: better ball. I think Perdy is a better you know,

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Speaker 1: he moves a little bit better. I think I like

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Speaker 1: San Francisco in this game. If they're reasonably healthy. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to be a great defense. Saula I love,

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Speaker 1: but they're not going to be just They just don't

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Speaker 1: have the personnel right now. Warner's out, Boss out, Tafung's gone,

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Speaker 1: Funga's gone, green Law's gone. Are for really really high

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Speaker 1: end players.

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Speaker 5: So the problem is the Falcons defensive pressure has been

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Speaker 5: amazing this year. It's not necessarily the draft of guys.

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Speaker 5: They just have depth. They keep coming in waves. They

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Speaker 5: seem to rattle Josh Allen on Monday Night Football, and

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Speaker 5: if Purdy's not one hundred percent with that toe, they

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Speaker 5: could be in some trouble this week.

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Speaker 2: I'm reluctant to.

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Speaker 5: Take the Falcons on the road, but that's an interesting

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Speaker 5: game Sunday Night Football, not like a Marquee game, but

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Speaker 5: could be good. Final story, Colin, let's go to the

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Speaker 5: Dolphins Browns game.

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Speaker 2: Now, how about this one? We have a weather.

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Speaker 5: Report that is saying wins could be fifty to sixty

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Speaker 5: miles an hour. Now, listen, it's only Thursday, the game

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Speaker 5: is still Sunday.

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Speaker 2: The National Weather.

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Speaker 5: Service says this is certainly a system.

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Speaker 2: Worth keeping an eye on. Ninety four percent chance of rain.

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Speaker 5: Colin listen, I tried to tell people this week, Browns

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Speaker 5: and the under the young fellow Judkins from Ohio State

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Speaker 5: probably goes off against this Miami defense.

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Speaker 2: And we know two and those South Florida boys.

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Speaker 1: Well. Now, also not a bad week for Miami to

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Speaker 1: yesterday apologized for what he said after the game. So

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Speaker 1: it's a weird week for Miami. This is not built

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Speaker 1: for them, although I would you could certainly make a

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Speaker 1: case that it will force Miami to run the ball

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Speaker 1: and they have their moments.

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Speaker 5: Not again, this Brown's defensive, no way. The run defense

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Speaker 5: of the Browns is exceptional, top five unit in the league. Listen,

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Speaker 5: seventeen to six Browns, something like that.

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Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel's celebrating. Are you feeling that? Is this in

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Speaker 2: the hurt hierarchy?

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Speaker 5: Not the hurt hierarchy, though blazing five.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow, this is one of the seven games I make

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Speaker 1: seven picks. I take five. This is one of the seven.

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Speaker 1: I would be on the home team here, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I may have to. I don't like, I don't ever

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Speaker 1: like taking bad quarterback play and saying, well, the defense.

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Speaker 1: Bad quarterbacks fumble, Bad quarterbacks limit the playbook. Bad quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: don't inspire teammates. I always you know, if I miss

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Speaker 1: on picks, it's often taking a talented quarterback getting points

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Speaker 1: that I mean that, that to me is more fun

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Speaker 1: to watch than bad. I have never bet Spencer Rattler

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Speaker 1: with the Saints. He doesn't win enough games. He's very average.

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Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't enjoy putting money and betting

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Speaker 1: on teams hoping they don't make mistakes because I know

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Speaker 1: they have a low ceiling.

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Speaker 2: So how about this.

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Speaker 5: Have you seen a lot more from Jackson Dart than say,

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Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel through a few handful of games.

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Speaker 1: You know, one's a first round pick and one's a no.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm just talking about what you've seen on the field.

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Speaker 5: Both have good offensive minds Dable and Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not close. Jackson's a the better athlete. He

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Speaker 1: moves better. Yeah, I think Jackson's got a better arm

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Speaker 1: and moves better. I think Dylan Gabriel in a system

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Speaker 1: can complete passes, but I think Jackson Dart's the better athlete.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's close. J. McK of the News, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd.

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Speaker 1: Lie that athletic ability for a quarterback for the first

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Speaker 1: two years is essential. I mean a lot of the

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Speaker 1: star quarterbacks in this league, the Allen's, the Herberts, the Lamar,

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Speaker 1: A lot of these guys Josh Allen as they're learning,

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Speaker 1: I mean Bo Nicks last year run for first downs.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, move the chains. Jaden Daniels move the chains.

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Speaker 1: There's a really high percentage of quarterbacks that hit in

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Speaker 1: this league. CJ. Stroud had a very good first year question.

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Speaker 1: Since it's running for first downs in your first two years,

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Speaker 1: picking up moving chains while you're learning NFL defenses, it

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Speaker 1: would be hard to draft the Jared Goff today. It

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Speaker 1: would be hard to draft that. That's really an outlier.

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Speaker 1: It's you want guys that can move. Cade club Nick

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Speaker 1: from Clemson he can move. Dante More at Oregon he

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Speaker 1: can move. So these defenses. The coaching in the NFL

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Speaker 1: is so much more sophisticated. You've got older players more

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Speaker 1: to coach. You're just getting older, smarter, more experienced players

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Speaker 1: that have more time. They don't take classes. You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a mid term or a final. So

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Speaker 1: while you're figuring out how to operate behind an NFL

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Speaker 1: offensive line, it's nice to pick up first downs with

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Speaker 1: your legs.

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Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 6: and Noone Eastern nin a em Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 6: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon explosive duo Bryce

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Speaker 5: Underwood and Justice Haynes. Leave Michigan against Washington at the

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Speaker 5: Big House. It all starts at ten am Eastern with

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Speaker 5: Big Noon kickoff live on.

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Speaker 2: Location from Provo, Utah.

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Speaker 5: Then it's Washington Michigan only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Dodgers Glass now going tonight for the Dodgers. They're back

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Speaker 1: home against Milwaukee and the Brewers have felt totally outclassed.

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Speaker 1: Oh Tani can't hit, it doesn't matter. The bullpens wobbly,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. They've gotten in s starting pitching from Yoshi

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Speaker 1: and Snell, so last now they got him from I

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Speaker 1: think Tampa he was one of these guys that struggles

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Speaker 1: to stay healthy but has great stuff. So he's going

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Speaker 1: in Game three. O Tani I believe is going in

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Speaker 1: Game four on the mound. So the Dodgers look to

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Speaker 1: wrap up that series. Back in Los Angeles, I think

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee wins a game. They're too good not to. And

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Speaker 1: the Mariners last night got clobbered by the Blue Jays,

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Speaker 1: but a couple more games in Seattle, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was interesting. Greg Cosell, one of my criticisms has been

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Speaker 1: through the years is you know, once you pay your

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Speaker 1: quarterback Mahomes or Josh Allen, there's gonna be holes in

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Speaker 1: the roster. I just think Kansas City does a better

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Speaker 1: job to patch the holes than Buffalo does. And Greg

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Speaker 1: Cosell earlier on once again Josh Allen feeling like he's

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Speaker 1: got to carry Buffalo's offense.

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Speaker 4: I think that your past game needs to be a

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Speaker 4: little more expansive. I know they don't have great receivers,

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Speaker 4: but you know what to me to construct a pass

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Speaker 4: game tactically and conceptually, and the way you attack zone.

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Speaker 4: I think they need to do more things. You know,

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen, your quarterback, he can make throws. I almost

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Speaker 4: feel like they're a running football team and if the

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Speaker 4: game demands, then it's time for Josh. But you I

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Speaker 4: don't think you can play like that every week. I

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Speaker 4: think you need more consistency with what you do conceptually

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Speaker 4: in your pass game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is something we've talked about that you

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Speaker 1: just don't look at Buffalo very often and think, wow,

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Speaker 1: creative juggernaut. And you do see that with Denver and

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Speaker 1: McVeigh and Shanahan and Kansas City. So I think Kansas

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Speaker 1: City puts Mahomes in a better position to succeed despite

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Speaker 1: the fact that they you know, they miss on draft

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Speaker 1: picks too. Everybody does it wide receiver. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: a little long in the tooth with Travis Kelcey on offense,

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Speaker 1: but they just I think you can sum up Kansas

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Speaker 1: City with Juju Smith Schuster. He gets drafted, he's kind

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Speaker 1: of underwhelming, He goes to Kansas City, he's very valuable

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Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl winning run, and then he leaves.

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Speaker 1: He goes to New England and it doesn't work, and

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Speaker 1: he goes back to Kansas City and it works again.

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Speaker 1: And some of its balms and some of it's just

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid. They do a really good job of taking

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Speaker 1: kind of solid players and making them more productive. And

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Speaker 1: so much of this league is not only drafting and developing,

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Speaker 1: it's being able to go find veteran players that fit

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Speaker 1: into your system. New England did a very good job

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Speaker 1: of that during Bella Check's prime, Andy Reid veach. That's

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Speaker 1: what they do. They just find. I mean, look what

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Speaker 1: the culture doing this year with Daniel Jones. I mean,

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Speaker 1: did anybody really think he would be doing this? That

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Speaker 1: is a really smart offensive coach Shane Stiken taking him

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Speaker 1: and squeezing as many yards as he can out of him. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, great, even great players need support. I mean

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Speaker 1: remember years ago to Lake Kobe Bryant when he was

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Speaker 1: going to Demand he wanted to be traded to Chicago.

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Speaker 1: He said, you got to get me another guy. When

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Speaker 1: they got in pau Gasol and he starts winning titles again.

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Speaker 1: You don't want obstacles, you don't want hurdles, And I

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like every couple of years, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: here we go again. Josh Allen's got to put the

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Speaker 1: cape on, and I think it's just tough. I don't

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Speaker 1: you know, Kansas City to me, is an exceptional team,

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Speaker 1: the eye test, the coaching. I think Tampa is a

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Speaker 1: relentless team that's very good, not great. But I think

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Speaker 1: Kansas City is separated. I always thought, you know, Lamar

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Speaker 1: and Josh Allen could go toe to toe with Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: I do not feel that now. Buffalo, Kent, New England's

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Speaker 1: not ready. You know, the Denver and the Chargers, Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 1: Joe alt Hampton, somebody at the trade deadline like Alvin Kamara.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the Chargers are the other team that can. Julian

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Speaker 1: Edelman three times Super Bowl champ. He's got to love

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Speaker 1: Drake May and more. Power three nine