1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast. 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now Here's Jay Glacier. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer and our guest today Unbelievable. 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: And you have heard of him, You've heard his voice. 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: He was a pioneer in the sport of mixed martial arts, 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: then cross over to television. He's a Hall of Famer 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: before I get to him. If you're like many people, 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: adults in this country experienced mental illness last year, yet 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: far too many fail to receive the support they need. 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: Carol in Behavioral Health is doing something about it. They 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: understand the behavioral health is a key part of whole health, 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs. 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: In tanding Carolyn behavioral Health, raising the quality of life 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: through empathy and action. Welcome into Unbreakable, a Mental Wealth 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: podcast with Jay Glazer. And Today's with a Glazier and 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: a man who took an entire country and brought it 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 2: with him to the UFC. 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: The first fighter from Britain to fight. 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: In the UFC, a Hall of Famer, former UFC Middleweight 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: Champion of the World. But probably the hardest thing he 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: ever had to do was be my broadcast partner on 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: the UFC on Fox. The abuse that I put him through, 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: the one and only, the Count Michael Bisbing, how are 26 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: you brother? 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, Jay. I mean, listen, I've had some 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 4: tough battles in my life. I've been beat every single 29 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 4: day of my life. Sharing a studio with you, the 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: biggest DVA in all of sports, come on, that was 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: the challenge of myne I don't know if I can 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: do it. I just don't know if I can do it. 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 4: But hey, here we are. We're still smiling. 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: Was I abusive? Was I abusive? 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: No? Do you know what? Actually, the first time I 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: met you, I remember you walked in because you're you know, 37 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: you're a big deal, Jay, you know, the voice of 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: the NFL, and you're probably thinking, oh God, I gotta 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: work with these schmucks, these these fighters that don't know 40 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 4: what they're talking about, the don't know how to do 41 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 4: the job, and to be fair, in those early days, 42 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: we were all totally brand new. So you walked in 43 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 4: straight away. Let you whoever we were working with, took 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 4: us into a backroom. He said, look, listen, forget about 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 4: the studio, forget about the cameras and the lights and 46 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: all the rest of it. This is just us sitting 47 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: here at a bar in a bar talking about the fights. 48 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 4: That's just think of it like that and ignore everything else. 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 4: So thank you for that advice. So yeah, contrary to 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: popular belief, we were a sweet also. 51 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: But it is right. I try and tell people, especially 52 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: these football players come in. 53 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 2: Listen, you can sit through the bar and talk about 54 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: football all day long. When the cameras come on, you 55 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: start talking differently. 56 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: We're in a bar. 57 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: We don't go well, you've got the number one ranked 58 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: offense against the number two details. We don't talk like 59 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: that and just look at the camera as it's the 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: bartender for your best friend and the bastards ever pick 61 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: that up. 62 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: The easier it was for me, and I think the 63 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 3: easier was for everybody else. 64 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, and fortunately I was able to pass 65 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 4: that kind of knowledge down. Remember Anthony Smith when he 66 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 4: first started to do a great face on the ESPN. 67 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 4: Now I'm very very polished. I said, look, listen, if 68 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 4: you get stoke I said, just look at me. That's 69 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: all you're gonna do. I've always got something dumb to say. 70 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: I've always got a stupid take. I've always got you know, 71 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 4: hopefully they's some a little bit of analysis as well. 72 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 4: So if you get stoked, just look at me. Because 73 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: we all know the sports. You know what I mean, 74 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: whatever sports it is, we know it. That's why would die. 75 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: And if you forget about the camera, it gets a 76 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: lot easier. 77 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: The other thing I told you, and I told our 78 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: football players is look, you know, I tell my football players. 79 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: You know, I know. 80 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: More about the NFL than ninety nine point nine nine 81 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: percent of the well, but I'll never know more than you. 82 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: I don't know what it's like to be in a 83 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: quarterback controversy, or have my head coach fired, or you know, 84 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: to be put on You have a touring hamsterring and 85 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm out certain number of weeks and people are wondering 86 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: I from questionable or not, or have my locker room tourning. 87 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: I don't know that you guys do, so always teach 88 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: me something that I don't know, and same for you. 89 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: Like listen, I've had an early had two fights, but 90 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: I haven't been in a title fight. I haven't had 91 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: a whole country behind me. I haven't been on the 92 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: biggest stage in the world. You have, so always give 93 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: me something that I don't know. And if you could 94 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: do that and educate the fans that way instead of 95 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: giving the stats man, you'll always be golding. 96 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, and that's why, fortunately I've been able to 97 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 4: parlay that into a career with the UFC commentating, because 98 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: I don't need to tell you. You've been around the sport, 99 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 4: you know it's it's tough. The road of a fighter 100 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 4: when you hang up the gloves, is that what are 101 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: you going to do? A lot of people struggle with that. 102 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: That's why you see a lot of fighters coming out 103 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: of retirement. You know, a lot of people struggle, you know, 104 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 4: because it's a fantastic sport. But you know, the people 105 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: that do really well, they can make a really big living. 106 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 4: They can you know, they can turn their lives around them. 107 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: And I'm very lucky. I'm very very lucky. I live 108 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: in a beautiful house, I've got a career, I've got 109 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 4: money in the bank, I've got savings what I made. 110 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: But not everybody gets that far, you know, and certainly 111 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 4: the life of a fighter afterwards, when you dedicate so 112 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: much of your time and you put everything into it 113 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: because you know you've got to be all in the 114 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 4: road of a fight, it's tough. So yeah, as I say, 115 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 4: for me boats in La, I'm in a looky position. 116 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: So I always ask, you know, We've trained a lot 117 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: of coaching, a lot of fighters, a lot of football players, 118 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: a lot of different athletes, and it's my unbreakable MMA program. 119 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 3: He used to call MMA athletics. But I would always 120 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: ask right out of again, it was trying to trying 121 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: to find out why a fighter fights. 122 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, most of the time, I always 123 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: found a lot of times guys fought because they were bullied. 124 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: And then even that I try to dive deeper. Okay, well, 125 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: do you want to fight out so you look the 126 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: part so you don't get bullied anymore? Or do you 127 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: want to get back of your bully? Because that's what 128 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: I want, right, the guy wants to get back at 129 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: their bully. Why did you fight? What got you into 130 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: this sport of fighting? 131 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 3: Original? Like take me psychologically? Yeah? 132 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, so growing up in our house, you know, my 133 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: parents loved us. Then they're fantastic, but there was there 134 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 4: was a lot of violence, you know, back in the days. 135 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: I guess it was a different time, you know, but 136 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 4: my dad was there was a lot of violence. Let's 137 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 4: just put it lied that I'm both sized my mother, 138 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: I'm a father, you know. So for me growing up, 139 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: getting into a fight was very natural. You know. So 140 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 4: I got into a lot of fights when I was 141 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 4: younger because there was an angry kid, money was tired, 142 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 4: and there was a lot of bullying going on, you know, 143 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 4: be my shoes falling apart and just not having the 144 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: best clothes and stuff like that. And I used to 145 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 4: get bullied a lot. And then I just remember one 146 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 4: day thinking to myself, I'm not putting up with this anymore. 147 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 4: And the next one that does it, the next person 148 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 4: to talk shit, they're gonna get it. And that's what 149 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: I did. And anyone that talks shit, I started beating 150 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 4: them up, not badly, but just like giving him a 151 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 4: crack or whatever. 152 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: But that's a brave moment in life, because that's a 153 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: scary decision to make. 154 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: But what happened was because I never had many friends, 155 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 4: because you know, it was a snobby town that I 156 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 4: was in. Then all of a sudden I went from 157 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 4: not having many friends to all of a sudden being 158 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 4: like kind of in the popular crowd because I was 159 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: a bit of a badass, you know what I mean. 160 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: So what that did. That kind of reinforced that kind 161 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 4: of behavior. So I was getting into more and more 162 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: fights all the time and like looking for the toughest 163 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: guides around. And it was a very very immature thing 164 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: to do, but that was kind of kind of like 165 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 4: my badge of honor. I could beat anybody in a fight. 166 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 4: That was my thing. And if there was a guy 167 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 4: in another town. There's an expression we used in England. 168 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 4: It's cock of the school. Who's the cock of the school? 169 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 4: Meaning the toughest guy, who's the cock of that school? Well, 170 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 4: come on, let's meet up and stuff like that. As 171 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: I say, very child is very immature, you know, but 172 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: that was kind of my badge of honor. I did 173 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 4: martial arts from when I was eight years old. I 174 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 4: was very good. But then when I got to about 175 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen, I was just hanging out with my friends, partying, 176 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: drinking stuff like that, and my life was going nowhere. 177 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: I left school at sixteen, did a string of dead 178 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: end jobs, you name it, I've done it. Nothing glamorous, 179 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: all you know, crap crap, bottom feed of jobs, you know, 180 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: factory work, stuff like that, an honest hard work in living. 181 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 4: But you would do sixty seventy hours a week and 182 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: at the end of it, no money. You know, I 183 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: was barely scraping by. So we would live for the weekend, 184 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: just get hammered, drunk, get into a few bar fights, 185 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: stuff like that. And then I got into my mid twenties. 186 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 4: Well no, sorry, it's part of me. In my early twenties, 187 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: I met a beautiful lady. She's now my wife, and 188 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 4: we have three children, and she definitely helped the emotional side. 189 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 4: But then and then, so I calmed down. I learned 190 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: some lessons, and you know, she got me on the 191 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: right track, and I'm so grateful for her coming into 192 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: my life and turning me around. But financially, I wasn't 193 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 4: setting the world on fire. At this point. We had 194 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 4: two children, and I really didn't know what I wanted 195 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: to do. I didn't know what I didn't know what 196 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 4: my skills were, where I was going to go, But 197 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 4: I just wanted to make a success of my life. 198 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 4: And I remember this guy that I was working with 199 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 4: he said to me, he said, Michael, he said, you're 200 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: a pretty smart kid. He said, is this what you 201 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: want to do for the rest of your life? And 202 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 4: I said no, absolutely, absolutely not. He said, you need 203 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: to give it some thought. He said, because I walked 204 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 4: through those doors twenty five years ago, and it feels 205 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: like that. He said, before you know it, you're going 206 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 4: to be almost fifty years old, forty five whatever, you know, 207 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: a life will pass you by. And that really struck me. 208 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: So I started goose bumps right there. 209 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, no, no, And this guy, I'm not in 210 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: contact with him. I've looked him up on Facebook as 211 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 4: I'm so grateful because I did. 212 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: Wow. 213 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I did some soul searching, and I kept coming 214 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 4: back to one thing. The thing that I'm best at 215 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: was always for good or bad fighting, That is my skill. 216 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: So I thought, I'm going to become a professional fighter. 217 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 4: And back then I was thinking about becoming a boxer. 218 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: I'm going to become a professional boxer. I'm going to 219 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: do it, and I spoke to a few people. My 220 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: dad advised me to join the army and then if 221 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 4: he went in the army because my dad, I was 222 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: born on a military base My family is a military family. 223 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 4: So I was going to join the army and if 224 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: you get on the boxing team and you're good, they'll 225 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 4: just pay you to trade boxing. And there's a couple 226 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 4: of fighters, well known guys in England that had that 227 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 4: same path. And then you come out of the army 228 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 4: and you turn pro, so basically you're getting paid to trade, 229 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: you know. So that was my idea. But then I 230 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: bumped into like an old sense of mine and he 231 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: told me all about something called UFC. I never even 232 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 4: heard of it, you know, I didn't follow it. This 233 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 4: is two thousand and three and two thousand and two, 234 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 4: and he told me all about it. He said, the 235 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: champions out there, they're making big money. They're acting in 236 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: Hollywood movies and all this kind of stuff. And he 237 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 4: painted this whole picture for me, and he put this 238 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 4: vision in my head and I was like, wow, well 239 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 4: that's what I want to do. And that guy, for 240 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 4: whatever reason, we fell out. He ended up suing me 241 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 4: because money the roots of all evil. For him. I 242 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 4: was just a project that he picked up and put down. 243 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 4: For me, this was my life. And then he moved 244 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: off to New Zealand. That's actually what happened. He moved 245 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: to New Zealand. Years later I got I did well 246 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: in the UFC, and he sued me because he had 247 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: a contracts anyway, whatever, so we don't talk. But he 248 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: put this vision in my mind. So three months later 249 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: I quit work. I moved to another city. I slept 250 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 4: in my car five days a week, training Monday to Friday, 251 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 4: drove home. I used to do a bit of a 252 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: nightclub djaying, so I djate the weekends, make a little 253 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: bit of money, just enough to pay the bills. And 254 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: two years later I was on the Ultimate Fight in 255 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 4: the UFC and the rest is history. 256 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: Wow. 257 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: You know, I was picked you up when you're on 258 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: the Ultimate Fighter, not before that. So when you came 259 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: to the UFC, right, you're bringing a whole country. 260 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 4: I guess. 261 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, first break to fight in the UFC. 262 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, there was a guy called Ian Freeman that 263 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 4: fought before. Yeah. 264 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. 265 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 4: I was kind of I had Yeah, you did the 266 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 4: biggest splark, the biggest career, if you will. So yeah, 267 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 4: to your point, I mean trying to contra Yeah, yeah, 268 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: you know all ed, You're absolutely right. 269 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: I was realized it or did you block that out? 270 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 4: Well, do you know what? To be honest, this is 271 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 4: pre social media. So I had no idea. I'm from 272 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 4: a small little town in the north of England called Clitherow, 273 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 4: and it's a small town and every it's very working 274 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 4: class and there was no social media, you know, there 275 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 4: was no Instagram or anything like that, and the sport 276 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: was growing massively, but I was unaware of it. I 277 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 4: was in my little bubble, do you know what I mean? 278 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: So I had no idea. I remember the first fight, 279 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 4: I went on the Ultimate Fight, so I won the 280 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: Ultimate Fighter. I was very proud of that. So I 281 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: was the first break to be on the Ultimate Fighter, 282 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 4: the first one to win it. And now I was 283 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 4: in the UFC on a good contract and then but 284 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 4: I still had no idea about the fan base in 285 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 4: the UK until my second fight in the UFC. My 286 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: first one was in Las Vegas. My second fight was 287 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: in Manchester and I remember being backstage warming up, you 288 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: know as you do, and then I walked out and 289 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: do really just exploded. It was insane. Twenty two thousand 290 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 4: people and Kevin I only from Yahoo Sports role this. 291 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 4: This is not my words. He's a long time respected 292 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 4: boxing journalist. He said, I've been in some loud arenas before. 293 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 4: I've been there for Mike Tyson fires, I've been there 294 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: for Ricky Hatton vice. He said, I've never heard a 295 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 4: crowd as loud as that. And I walked out and 296 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 4: it blew my mind. My drenaline just spiked like crazy 297 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: because I had no idea people have been watching on TV. 298 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 4: The adrenaline spiked. I've sprinted to the octagon like an 299 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: absolute maniac, tried to get in the ring with no mouthpiece, 300 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 4: still with my hoodey on and my shoes and everything. 301 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 4: They're like, what are you doing the hell down? I 302 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 4: was like a maniac. Fortunately got the job done, but 303 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,239 Speaker 4: almost blew it because. 304 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, is that the night you realized life changed? 305 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 4: Kind of? Yeah, I mean to be honest. When I 306 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 4: won the Ultimate Fires of that things are going well. 307 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 4: When I fought in Las Vegas, I was like, this 308 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 4: is great, and then yeah, obviously with that, then I 309 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: kind of realized there was such support and I had 310 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 4: no idea. And that's why I've always been very grateful 311 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 4: for the people of the UK supporting my career because 312 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 4: along the ways I've along over the years, I've had 313 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: a long career. It's been twenty years since when I 314 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: met UFC debut almost you know, I've let my emotions 315 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 4: getting the better of me at times and things like that. 316 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 4: But people always realized that I was just an average guy, 317 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 4: you know, always put your best foot forward. Sometimes you 318 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 4: make mistakes. 319 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: Well, here's my question also about you know, you again 320 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: represent the country because you go both ways. Did you 321 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: look at it like these people fueled me or was 322 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: there more pressure on you. 323 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: Because you had a whole nation? 324 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 4: Always more pressure. I mean it was a great position 325 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 4: to be and of course no regrets, but yeah, absolutely 326 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: more pressure, you know, because I was not only representing 327 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: myself and my family, you know, they were number one. 328 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 4: That was why I was doing now. I was trying 329 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 4: to earn some money and give my family the best 330 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: life possible. But of course, yeah, I'm also representing an 331 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: entire nation. But it never it wasn't a burden. There 332 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 4: was a little bit of pressure, It wasn't a burden. 333 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 4: It was pressure that I was very happy to have 334 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 4: on my shoulders. 335 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: How did you because again it seems like early on 336 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: in life you just beat everybody's ass, right then you 337 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: came in had an early success in the UFC. 338 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: How did you handle early losses? 339 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so the big one was at UFC one 340 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: hundred when I thought Dan Henderson we coached the season 341 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 4: on The Ultimate Fighter. I acted like a bit of 342 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 4: an idiot at times. I was young, I was immature, 343 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 4: I was you know whatever. And Dan Henderson's a bloody legend. 344 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: But we still don't get onto this day. But I 345 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 4: got knocked out spectacularly. It was a vicious knockout. Fair 346 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: play to it. He got me good and for a 347 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: long time because I was like public enemy number one 348 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: because the whole season was UK versus USA, so I 349 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: was captain of the UK, you know, and obviously seventeen 350 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 4: seventy six and all the rest of it. They were 351 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: like fuck bitsbin, you know. I was that guy, and 352 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: I played up to it. Of course it did. I 353 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 4: was like, yeah, right, you want to boo, you want 354 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 4: you want something to talk shit about, I'll give you 355 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 4: something something to talk shit about. And then he knocked 356 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 4: me out, so yeah, online there was. 357 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: And then made T shirts with him fly. 358 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: If you name it, and and for me the way 359 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 4: it always was because like a lot of guys and 360 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 4: kind of in trend, with what your pug as is about. 361 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: Fighters were tough guys, right, so we don't talk about 362 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: our feelings and I never did. Yeah, of course it sucks. 363 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: But when I came back to my hotel room after 364 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: coming from the hospital because I didn't know where I 365 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 4: was for a long time, you know, my friends and 366 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: family have come home to see me and support me. 367 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, come on, guys, it's just part 368 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 4: of the business. Let's go out. Let's party. So we 369 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 4: went out and had a heavy night in Vegas. When 370 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 4: I came home back to England, I never addressed any 371 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 4: of it and never speak about any of it and 372 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 4: just just buried away. So whatever, that's the way it goes. 373 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 4: You win some, you lose them, Let's go and I 374 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: always kind of did that. But in that fact there, 375 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: I never spoke about it, never spoke about my disappointment, 376 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: never spoke about how you know obviously from one that 377 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 4: I was going to fight for the belt and stuff, 378 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: and I just yeah, never addressed it at all. And 379 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 4: it was about two months later I think I was 380 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: let in bed. It was a Sunday morning and Rocky 381 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 4: was on and the waste alone portrays what the fighters 382 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: go through in those movies is absolutely perfect. And I 383 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 4: was sitting there and I did I just I just 384 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: burst into tears one day and my wife could hear me, 385 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 4: and she went and said, what's going on? What's going on? 386 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: And I guess it was just all that emotion that 387 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 4: had been bottled up for so long that I refuse 388 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: to speak about because you know it is, you know, 389 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 4: I like you just brush it off and get out 390 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: the day. 391 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: You know, It's funny because again, I've trained all these guys, 392 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: and part of my mentality training them is I always 393 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: have this thing neutral faced. 394 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: If you're tired, don't fucking show me. 395 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, hurt, don't fucking show me, Do not fucking show me, 396 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: because then I forget I'm tired. I just shrup on 397 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: my weapons. I ramp it up on you, right, And 398 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: you could be the guy in a stool doing that. However, 399 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: now that I'm trying to help people and athletes and 400 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: veterans and everybody with their mental health, it's complete opposite. 401 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, show it, tell it, talk about it. 402 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: The more you could do, unpack it, fucking tell your brother, 403 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: your teammate, The more you could do that. 404 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: Man, the better. 405 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: It's going to make us feel the more vulnerable we 406 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: can get, that's true strength. So it is an absolute 407 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: opposite of everything that we coach or coached in sport, 408 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: but it doesn't work in real life. And then again 409 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: you found that out and it's energizing when you realize. 410 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: But we still have such a to go to get 411 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: more athletes and combat vets and just any dude to 412 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 2: start opening up about their shit. 413 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: But like the more of us should do it. 414 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: Who are kind of the center of dudism and no 415 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: one's question you're mad, you fuck cry right here, no 416 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: one's gonna call you puss, no one's questioning my manhood, 417 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: So I could do it. So I think more of 418 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: us need to do that, show people it's okay outside 419 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: that cage. 420 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, because you know people look at us 421 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 4: and as I said, if you go back to when 422 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: I was younger, when I was getting into fire, so 423 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 4: always want to be the tough guy. We portray ourselves 424 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: as the ultimate alpha male and all the rest of it. 425 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: But you know, we're still the same more people, still 426 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 4: still human beings inside. So things do get to you 427 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 4: and it's great to see that in this day and age. 428 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: Now people are being encouraged to and I know you 429 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 4: do a lot of great work, Jayson. Well done for that, 430 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 4: But there's still a long way to go. There's still 431 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 4: a long way to go, and to be honest, even 432 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 4: for me, you know what I mean, I've still got 433 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 4: a long way to go. I'm still up kind of 434 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 4: that mindset. I just don't address things, and I'll let 435 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: things boil. I don't talk about it, I don't talk 436 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 4: about and then I'll just fucking explode like a maniac. 437 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 4: But if I just spoke about it and talked about it, 438 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 4: addressed the problem right then and there, it would have 439 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 4: become this massive tornado that it became, or this huge 440 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 4: volcano or an earthquake or a life ending situation. 441 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: You know, now that you know it, you should just 442 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: do it. Like, hey, this is a much better route 443 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: for me, right, It's going to change. 444 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 4: Rabbits said that dun though easier said than me. Jay, 445 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 4: there's a lot of issues. Which what did we talking first? 446 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: Hey, hey buddy, I'm right there with you. 447 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 2: I was talking about our show on Foxing Uple Sunday said, Man, 448 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: there's there's six of us on the panel, but there's 449 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: eighteen personalities and Terry Brownshaw and I got thirteen of them. 450 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 4: So exactly tell me about it. 451 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: The roommates in my head do not get along too often, 452 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: as we both know. Yeah, yeah, hey, So here's the 453 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: other thing about your style that I love, love, love, love, 454 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: love love more significant strikes and anybody in the history 455 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: of the UFC, right and listen. I used to tell 456 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: guys who are going to fight you they have a 457 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: certain range, and I'm like, you don't control the range 458 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: against that guy? 459 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: What do you fucking do it? There's one guy in 460 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: particular who was training Ard Jiminy. He fucking put his 461 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: hands down. I'm like, what do you fucking do it? 462 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: Like, you don't control the ring? Oh I got the ring? 463 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: You not got the range against Michael Bisbeck. Where is 464 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: it in your point? 465 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 3: Because I think that's the greatest weapon. 466 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: Pressure and pace is the greatest fucking weapon anybody could 467 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: ever out. Like I learned from radykatur Like, you just 468 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: don't stop, don't stop, don't stop yet, and eventually people 469 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: are gonna go. I didn't fucking sign up for this yet, 470 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: Fucking Michael bispick Off, get Randy katuur Off. 471 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: I did not sign up for this ship. At what 472 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: point in. 473 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: Your career did you make that decision and go, I 474 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: they for one, I'm gonna throw five. 475 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. To be honest, it came very very early on. 476 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 4: When I was younger, I did a lot of martial arts, 477 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 4: and I did a lot of kickboxing tournaments and fights. 478 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 4: And it started because when I was younger, I won 479 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 4: all these tournaments easily, and and and then I got 480 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 4: very complacent and I wouldn't even train. And then kickboxing fights, 481 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 4: I was knocking people out in one round, and you know, 482 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 4: so that's why I knew I could fight back in 483 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 4: the day when I decided I was going to do this, 484 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 4: because I wasn't even really training. And then I was 485 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 4: hanging out with the boys for a few months. You know, 486 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: I hadn't been here a gym. I've got kind of 487 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 4: heavy and fat. And my kid boxing coach at the 488 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: time called me up. He said, there's a British title 489 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 4: this weekend. The guy just dropped out, He said, you've 490 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 4: been training. I said, yeah, yeah, I've been training. He says, 491 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 4: can you make whatever weight it was on Friday? I'm like, yeah, sure, okay, 492 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: So I took this fight. It was eight rounds for 493 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 4: the British light heavyweight title, and I thought, I'll just 494 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 4: do him. I could do everybody else. And I went 495 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 4: out there and I tried to kill him for the 496 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 4: first four rounds and I did a pretty good job 497 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 4: of doing that, but I didn't and then I got tired, 498 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 4: but so tired it was unbelievable, and for the next 499 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 4: four rounds he beat the absolute dog shit out of me. 500 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 4: And it was horrible. It was the worst experience. It's 501 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 4: not a team sport. You can't fall back, you can't 502 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 4: hide in the park, you can't let other people pick 503 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 4: up the slide. It's just you and your opponent and 504 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 4: the referee, and it's the loneliest place on earth. I 505 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 4: could even keep up my hand. I'm eat in shorts. 506 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 4: It was horrible. So I learned after that I am 507 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 4: never ever going into a fight tired ever again. And 508 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 4: that was kind of my style when I first started, 509 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: just like a blaze of pace and aggression, because if 510 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: you keep up this pace, eventually you can weaponize your 511 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: cardio and eventually your opponent's going to get tired, and 512 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 4: when they get tired, they start to make mistakes, and 513 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 4: when they make mistakes, that's when you can take over 514 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 4: and finish the fight. So whilst I are good boxing 515 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 4: and keep boxing and decent jiu jitsu and stuff, I 516 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 4: was never the best at anything, but I always made 517 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 4: sure I was the hardest worker in the room. I 518 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 4: was always going to be in the best shape. And 519 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 4: when you do that, you go into the fight very 520 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 4: confident as well. When you're going into a fight, if 521 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 4: if you've been lazy, if you haven't done the road work, 522 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: if you've skipped some spreader conditioning classes, whatever the case 523 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 4: may be, when you're in the ring and it's you 524 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 4: and your opponent and Bruce Buffer's in the middle, ah, 525 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: it's in your face. That's the most nerve wracking time. 526 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 4: You're shitting your pants, right, regardless of what you've done. 527 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 4: When they say a fight, you kind of an autopilot, right, 528 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 4: and what happens will happen. But in that moment when 529 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: you're standing on Bruce Buffer is saying your name and stuff, 530 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 4: if you know you've done everything, if you know you've 531 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 4: done the cardio, the road work, the spar and you've 532 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 4: left no stone unturned, you can stand there more confident 533 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: because you're like, you know what at least I'm showing 534 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 4: up the best version of myself. So I always made 535 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 4: sure to bring my a game and know that in 536 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 4: those moments I can be confident. Hey, I'm prepared as 537 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 4: I ever can be. 538 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: Was you went a title against Luke rock Hold on? 539 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: How many days? Notice? Eight days? Notice? Was it? 540 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 4: Two weeks? Two weeks? 541 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: Notes? Right? Two weeks? Notes? 542 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: For those of us who have not had our hand 543 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: raised in a world title fight, take us behind your eyes. 544 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 3: Hey, when you see him go down? Yeah? And how 545 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: long after you see him go down? Does it sink in? Man? 546 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: My life has changed forever. I am the middleweight champ 547 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: of the world. 548 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So obviously i'd fall before. For those people 549 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 4: that don't know, I know, you know, and he beat 550 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 4: me in the second round. For those people that don't 551 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: know either, this is a fake. I so I'm blind 552 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 4: in one eye. So I've got a whole long story 553 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 4: about that. 554 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 3: But I got a. 555 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: Long story about that too, because we got in trouble 556 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: one night at my bar because I was making fun 557 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: of you too much. 558 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: You try to take it out of dominant cruise by 559 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: throwing Oh I did it. He's been a little prick. 560 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 3: He was prick. You didn't throw me. 561 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: Threw it the dominic we had like always anyway. So 562 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 4: when I thought Luke Rocold had already beating me at 563 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 4: that point, I was starting to venture out and do 564 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 4: a little bit of you know, TV work and acting 565 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: and stuff like that. So I was on a film 566 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: set in Canada shooting Triple X and I get the 567 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 4: opportunity to fight. I still had three days filming left 568 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 4: to finish. I fly straight home to the gym, train 569 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 4: for about ten days. When I went into the fight, 570 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 4: I was a ten to one under dog for obvious reasons. 571 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: Luke rock Holl was the man at the time. He 572 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 4: was dominating everybody with a champion, and he'd already beaten me, 573 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 4: to be fair. So I'm in the ring, and because 574 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 4: I didn't have a full training camp, the plan was, 575 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 4: I gotta swing for the fences. I got to try 576 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: and knock this guy out. I can't go five rounds. 577 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 4: I know that I don't want to be like that 578 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 4: kid in that kick boxing fight again, you know what 579 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 4: I mean. So I was swinging. I was swinging, and 580 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 4: you know, I was kind of out of ranging all 581 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 4: the rest of it. And I remember he come in 582 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 4: I went to the body and over the top, and 583 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 4: as a fighter, you know when you connect with a 584 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 4: good shot. But I'm there and I'm like and it 585 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 4: all slows down, like to very very slow. You know 586 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 4: your mind, the way it controls the fire, and you 587 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 4: see all the slow motion. I remember the impact on 588 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 4: the glove, thinking, oh. 589 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: That was a good one. 590 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: Wow. 591 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 4: And all of a sudden he falls down. I'm like, 592 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 4: oh shit, he's down. And he gets up again. I'm like, no, 593 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 4: you don't, buddy, boom and he goes back down. I 594 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: remember he was on the floor and I'm like, shit, 595 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 4: don't go into his guard. He's got good jiu jitsu. 596 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 4: Don't play that again. Stay away. And I was like boom, boom, 597 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 4: and I started teeing off on his head. Then all 598 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 4: of a sudden, I had Big John McCarthy's gigantic forearms 599 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 4: dragging me off him. But that was the best feeling 600 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 4: because I realized I was the champion of the world. 601 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 4: So right after that, I jump on top of the 602 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 4: fence and I turned round and I turned and a 603 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 4: point and I said fuck you, But it wasn't I 604 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 4: wasn't talking about Luke Rockold that was aimed that, all 605 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 4: the haters, everyone that said throughout the entirety of my career, 606 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 4: He's not good enough, he's not big enough, he's not 607 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 4: strong enough, he's not skilled enough. I'd had it my 608 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 4: entire life. You were never gonna make it. The teacher 609 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 4: didn't lend me at school. Fucking everyone throughout my fucking life. 610 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 4: And that's who that was targeted at, every wanker that 611 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 4: went on online and wrote a shitty article about me, 612 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 4: every person on Twitter. That was a giant fuck you 613 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 4: to the fucking world because now here I am as 614 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 4: the champion of the goddamn world. So e that, Wow, that's. 615 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: Hey talking about I was saying, hey, we got to 616 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: let it out. 617 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 3: That's letting it out. 618 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: But you must have felt like that, like the win 619 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: of the world was off your shoulders at that moment. 620 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 4: I mean for a moment. Yeah, until Monday morning, but 621 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 4: I got I got books for another five but for 622 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 4: a weekend. 623 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: So at what point, though, do you realize Okay, I 624 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: asked you before, like man about life changing, right in 625 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: the early part, At what point or what thing happened 626 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: after you you won the title? 627 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: Do you go there's something happened. You're like Oh my god, 628 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: life has really changed here. 629 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's kind of weird because at the 630 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 4: time you don't realize that you're just living life. When 631 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 4: I look back now to twenty sixteen and the life 632 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 4: I was living now and the things that were going on, 633 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I thought Anderson's Silva. I thought 634 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 4: lou Rock all the forought Dan Henderson. I was all 635 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 4: over the place. I had some crazy holidays. I was 636 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: filming Triple X with Vin Diesel. I was down in 637 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 4: Brazil promoting movies. I was in London training for a 638 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 4: World Championship fight whilst filming a movie at the same time. 639 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 4: But at that time, you just kind of you're just 640 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 4: taking it all in your stride. It's just like, what's happening. 641 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 4: When I look back now, got shit, that was a 642 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 4: crazy year. There was a lot of crazy stuff going on, 643 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 4: you know, and there was a few things as well, 644 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 4: you know that I can't get into right now, but like, 645 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 4: you know, some stuff that I did, and I was tryling. 646 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: I went all over the world in one year. It 647 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 4: was it was insane. So but at that time you 648 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: just still you're just experiencing it and you don't really 649 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 4: have time to step back out of it and look 650 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 4: and think, Wow, what's actually going on here? 651 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 3: You know? 652 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: But yeah, it was a great experience and very grateful 653 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: for all the doors it's opened. And now I get 654 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 4: to sit here and talk to you want, from a 655 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 4: high point to a low point I know going on. 656 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 3: So basically you now. 657 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: View it though, almost like you're viewing a really awesome 658 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: TV show. 659 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 4: Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, but you know there's still 660 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 4: a few spin off series coming from that TV show, 661 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So the journey isn't over. 662 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 4: As I said, I'm very lucky. I'm blessed, you know 663 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 4: what I mean. So the life of a fighter is hard, 664 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 4: you know, and I've been very fortunate enough to keep 665 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 4: it going. And I remember when I went on The 666 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 4: Ultimate Fighter, there was there was one of the guys 667 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 4: on there. He was on Team Shamrock and his name 668 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 4: was Tate Fletcher. And he does some acting acting, right, Yeah, yeah, 669 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 4: he's acting. He does a lot of work, a lot 670 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 4: of big films. And I'll never forget these words that 671 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 4: Tate Fletcher said to me, because he's a very philosophical 672 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 4: kind of guy. I'm just a meeth head from England. 673 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 4: He says to me. He says, Michael, he puts his 674 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 4: hand on So we've all been given a grape here 675 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 4: with this opportunity, and it's up to us what we 676 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 4: do with this grape. Which some of us they'll just 677 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 4: eat the grape right here. Some of you can take 678 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 4: that grape. Some of us can take that grape and 679 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 4: make wine out of it, you know. And that always 680 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 4: kind of stuck with me as well. And so I've 681 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 4: always been trying to think about what's next, what's the 682 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 4: next phase of my career. That's why I wanted to 683 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 4: work at Fox Sports with people like yourself, because I 684 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 4: was always aware that this doesn't last forever. And I 685 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 4: was always worried about going back because I always had 686 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 4: like imposter syndrama. I felt like, at some point, this 687 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 4: is all going to collapse, right right, and I'm going 688 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 4: to be back in clither. I'm going to be broke again. 689 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 4: That's the time where I'm from Clithero. I'm gonna be 690 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: back there. I'm going to be broke, We're going to 691 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: be struggling to pay the bills and all the rest 692 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 4: of it and stressed out. So I always thought it 693 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 4: was going to go back there. It's only a matter 694 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 4: of time I'm believing it or not. This is a 695 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 4: very weird way of looking at things because I'm forty five. Now, 696 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 4: I'm forty five, I'm not will hold on a minute. 697 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 4: I've only got to make it through a few more years. 698 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 4: So where that isn't a reality? Do you know what 699 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: I'm saying? Because we all do it, Dude, how much 700 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: am I going to keep this ride going for? 701 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? We all do it. 702 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: We all got that fear yea, yeah, comor it's all 703 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: gonna be gone, We're gonna be broke. I started doing 704 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: this in the NFL inside of working ninety three. It's 705 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: been every year like, oh well it's gonna go. It's 706 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: and I started a minute by minute breaking news cycle 707 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: and I was the first host of an MMA show 708 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: in America and got them all. 709 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 3: And you still. 710 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: One thing I do try and work on now is 711 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: that beast is what that anxiety is what drives us 712 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: to be where we are. 713 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: Of course, at some point we got to get that 714 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: beast to take a rest so we can enjoy our lives. 715 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: And that's our great fight now. 716 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And that my wife, 717 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 4: she's always that because you know, not that I'm a 718 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 4: whore for work or anything, but I'm a workaholic. I'm 719 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 4: always doing something. And she's like, Michael, You're going to 720 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 4: learn to say no to stuff, and I'm like, well, 721 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: I can't say no to this opportunity because I don't 722 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 4: know if this opportunity is going to come again, you 723 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So I'm very lucky. I work hard, 724 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 4: but I enjoy it as well because I've. 725 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: Done you have to enjoy it. Yes, I enjoy it. 726 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: Doesn't really feel like I feel against it calling it work. 727 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 4: But I'm going to go to Vegas this week and 728 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 4: I'm going to commentate on some fights. I'll be honest, 729 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 4: I do that for free because I absolutely love it. 730 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: Just don't tell Dan and why. But I would though 731 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 4: if they gave me the opportunity because I'm so passionate 732 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: about the sports, so I don't feel like i'm working. 733 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: It's a passion just so you know, you go through waves. 734 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: So there's sometimes yeah, I'm loving it out there, and 735 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: sometimes I'm like afraid I'm gonna lose it. It's all 736 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 2: goes on. So that is my biggest wrestling that's. 737 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: Moving forward now. 738 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: Is how do I just get it where that beast 739 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: and the anxiety, like the anxiety I needed it for 740 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: a while, I don't fucking need it anymore. Like I 741 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: need to put it over here now, right, But it's 742 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: hard to be able to say, hey, you're good, go 743 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: sit over there. So I want you also, I want 744 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: you to hear that part. But there's one thing I do. 745 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: I started putting my head this verse. I read a 746 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: prayer book appreciate the toil of the klot. So it's 747 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: not that I got to the top. It's this whole journey. 748 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: That's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. 749 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: I said, now a lot of times when I'm sitting 750 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: there just watching games at Fox, and you know, like 751 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: when we're back in our avocado room we call it 752 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: our green room, just sitting there like, thank you my 753 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: best friend, God Almighty. 754 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: This is the pot of gold at the end of. 755 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: The rainbow, not up there on TV, not making all 756 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: this money, just the journey itself, right, So that for 757 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: me is beautiful. And the other part is that I 758 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: want you to realize in every other fighter out there, 759 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: a football player, to get you being a world champion. 760 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: Okay, that's part of who you are. But the real 761 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 3: meat of who you are. 762 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: Okay, is the fact that you fucking outworked everybody else. 763 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: To take those three steps up on the cage. 764 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: And you talk about the imposter syndrome, that fucking greatness 765 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 2: doesn't suddenly leave when the gloves. 766 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 3: Come off, even if you lose. I don't care if 767 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 3: you're zero to eighty. 768 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: You did something, and you worked at something that ninety 769 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: nine point nine percent of the world will never ever 770 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: ever be willing or able to do. That's your fucking 771 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: equity going forward, not the like I deal with. There's 772 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: a lot of football players, though hardly anybody goes out 773 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: on their own chill like you get fucking thrown out right, 774 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: and usually your last year is what you remember most 775 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: and not the fact that, Hey, how you fucking did 776 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: something special football fighting. 777 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: It's not a career. 778 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: It's an opportunity to have something greater in life, whether 779 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: that's you've found out who you are or it leads 780 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: to something else through opportunities. 781 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, and thank you Ja saying that, And 782 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 4: I totally agree, you know, and I'm still finding other opportunities, 783 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 4: still finding a way to bullshit and calm people to 784 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 4: still give you a job. But it's going well, it's 785 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 4: going well. I'm living a life now that I never 786 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 4: thought possible. I touched on it before I lost the 787 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 4: vision in my right eye, and I thought, then, I thought, 788 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 4: my life, my livelihood, part of me is going to 789 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 4: be taken away and I'm not going to be able 790 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 4: to fight anymore. And I'm like, what am I going 791 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 4: to do? 792 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: What? 793 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 4: I've just moved to America. We've just bought this big, 794 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 4: stupid house that we don't need. I'm under a lot 795 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: of financial burden, a lot of financial stress, and my 796 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 4: fight career is gone. It's done. So I was absolutely terrified. 797 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 4: Fortunately now I was able to step away from the 798 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 4: fight again. But I'm not step away from the fight game, 799 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 4: step away from fighting itself. And I'm still able to 800 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 4: do what I love and be a part of it. 801 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 4: And that, for me, that's an achievement in itself, and 802 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 4: I'm very proud of it. 803 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 3: Good Man, good I like that. And we got to 804 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 3: work on that. We got to work work on loving 805 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: ourselves up because we don't know how to do that. Shit. 806 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: We work on beating ourselves up. We work on all 807 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 2: the imposter syndrome and all that shit. But we don't 808 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 2: work enough on loving ourselves up. And that's one thing 809 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: I want you to want us all to start doing work. 810 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 4: Yeah bye. 811 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 2: By the way, I never asked you this. How the 812 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: hell did you get cleared when you couldn't see how 813 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: you right eye? 814 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 4: Well that's a long, long story, and I got to 815 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 4: tell a lot of lies. 816 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 817 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 4: For anyone that's watching this that doesn't know this is 818 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 4: a prosthetic guy, I can pull it out right now, 819 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 4: but I'm not going to please do Yeah, no, no, 820 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 4: don't We're good, which she almost came out yes. But 821 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 4: I only got that at twenty eighteen, you know, because 822 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 4: a doctor could look at that and clearly see you've 823 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 4: got a prosthetic guye in what are you doing? 824 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: Because we were working, you were putting oil in your eye? 825 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. I was always. I cheated tests. I cheated. 826 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: You know, a lot of lies, a lot of bulls, sheeting, 827 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 4: a lot of nerves, a lot of anxiety because I 828 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 4: always thought every fire have because you do a medical 829 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 4: test once a year, but then every time you fight, 830 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 4: the day before the fire, at the weighings, you do 831 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 4: a quick medical and it's not very in depth. You know, 832 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 4: check your heart, you look into your eyes, and they go, 833 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 4: follow my finger you're just a few things like that. 834 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 4: So I was all they had to do was cover 835 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 4: up my good eye, like how many fingers? How many fingers? 836 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 4: Because they say, can you see how that I find? 837 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 4: I said, yeah, absolutely I can. Yeah, sure, But that's 838 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 4: all they had to do. But they never did. But 839 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 4: to be on the safe side, I had a little code, right, 840 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 4: so I was there with Jason Perilla. I'm that right. 841 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 4: Look listen, if he covers up my good eye, I says, 842 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 4: how many fingers I'm holding up? If he does one, 843 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 4: you go, oh, just a quick yawn if it's too 844 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 4: god cough, really yeah god yeah yeah. But we never 845 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 4: had to use it. I forget what it was now. 846 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 3: It was something like. 847 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like you know, but but but we 848 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 4: never had to do it because we had the paperwork. 849 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 4: I memorized the test and stuff like that. So it 850 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 4: was it was very stressful because you train your ass off, 851 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 4: you pay training partners. I was flying fighting all over 852 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 4: the world, Australia or wherever We're gonna fly my whole 853 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 4: team out paper hotels, flights for them and then the 854 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 4: day before I might get rumbled, do you know what 855 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: I mean? So the whole time I'm living in a 856 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 4: state of anxiety, going oh God. When I got past that, 857 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 4: that was it. The wave was off my shoulders. That 858 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 4: was the easy stuff. Now all I gotta do is fight, 859 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 4: you know what, I believe into the fight with the 860 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 4: challenge for me. 861 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's tumblieve. And I never asked you. 862 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 3: I was just like, I had no idea. That's fantastic. 863 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta do it. 864 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 3: That's brilliant, absolutely brilliant. 865 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 4: You gotta do what you gotta do. 866 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: All right, last question for you, brother, This is called 867 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 2: the Unbreakable Mental Wealth Podcast. Give me the moment in 868 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: your life that should have broken you, could have broken you, 869 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: but didn't, and as a result, you came out the 870 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: other side of that tunnel unbreakable forever. 871 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay, so that's that's that's an interesting question. And 872 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 4: I was going to mention I was going to talk 873 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 4: about the eye thing, you know, because that was hard, 874 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 4: But it's I'm not going to say that because I've 875 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 4: just been talking about that. You don't want to hear 876 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 4: about all that again. I think for me, I was 877 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 4: on a crossroads in life. When I was younger, I 878 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 4: was getting into a lot of fights. As I said, 879 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 4: I was acting like an idiot. Never I was never 880 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 4: a criminal, but I was always just getting into bar 881 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 4: fights with was willing participants and my add do you 882 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 4: know what I mean? But just drunk with a ruper guys, 883 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 4: small town mentality, always just having stupid brawls and stuff. 884 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 4: But you start to develop a reputation. I remember I 885 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,479 Speaker 4: got into this fight one time and the guy didn't 886 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 4: even press charges, but I got arrested on a public 887 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 4: order of offence. I got arrested. I got taken to 888 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 4: courts and it wasn't the first time I'd been there, 889 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 4: and the judge was just sick of me not learning 890 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 4: my lesson, so he sentenced me to twenty eight days 891 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 4: in prison. And I thought, and I remember at the time, 892 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 4: my lawyer said, listen, all you're going to get is 893 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 4: like one hundred pound fine. It's nothing. It's public order, right, 894 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 4: So just just plead guilty. If I pleaded not guilty, 895 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 4: no one could have gone against me because there was 896 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 4: no more pressing charges. But he said, just plead guilty. Okay, 897 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 4: you get like one hundred pound, fine, it's nothing, you know. 898 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, And my wife was at the 899 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 4: back of the courtroom. She was pregnant with our first 900 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 4: son at the time, she was like eight months pregnant. 901 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 4: And the judge comes out and he sentences me to 902 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 4: twenty eight days. So right then and there, they take 903 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 4: me downstairs. I get put in handcuffs, I get taken 904 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 4: to the prison. It holds down, put in bloody you know, 905 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 4: the jumpsuit and everything. And I was on twenty three 906 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 4: hour a day lock up. It was a maximum security prison. 907 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 4: I shouldn't have transferred there, and you know, I was 908 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 4: locked up with body murderers and rapists and all the 909 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 4: rest of it. And I remember before I go through 910 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 4: the process where they you know, I assign you your 911 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 4: selling stuff. You get put in a holding cell. And 912 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 4: I remember sitting in this holding cell and we're talking 913 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 4: just absolutely degenerates and scombags and criminals and whatnot, just 914 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: shitty human human beings. And they're all talking, oh, hopefully 915 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 4: I'll get my old cell and all the rest of it. 916 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 4: And I just sat there and I just looked around 917 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 4: and I was like, how the fuck did it come 918 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 4: to this? How did it come to this. You know, 919 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not a bad person. I'm a good person. 920 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 4: I've got a beautiful girlfriend, she's pregnant, and what am 921 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 4: I doing? What the hell am I doing with my life? 922 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 4: That I've made these decisions that's resulted in me being here, 923 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 4: you know. And I said to myself, right then and 924 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 4: there that day, I said, that's it. I am done. 925 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 4: I never getting into another fight on the street and 926 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 4: acting like an idiot of prioritizing hanging out with friends 927 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 4: and boozing and just being a fucking thug and stuff. 928 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 929 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 4: I thought, I've got to make some changes. And right 930 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 4: then and there, that's when I made those changes mentally, 931 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 4: and I came out. I held down a job. A 932 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 4: year later, I started becoming training to become a professional fighter. 933 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,959 Speaker 4: But it was that right there that was the turning point, 934 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 4: and I was at a crossroads. I could have continued 935 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 4: and it would have been a nasty road and I 936 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 4: would have become absolutely nothing and a loser and statistic. 937 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 4: Or I could be sitting here talking to the great 938 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 4: Jay Glazer. I'm glad I took that back. That's hey, 939 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 4: life was about our choices. That's the best choice you've made. Yeah, no, 940 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 4: it really was. 941 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 3: It really was amazing. 942 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 2: Michael Bisbin UFC Hall of Famer, My brother. I appreciate 943 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 2: you so much coming on. No, it took a little while, 944 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 2: but man, hey, your family forever. 945 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 4: You know that one hundred percent. You always a pleasure 946 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 4: to talk to you, buddy, and thanks for having me. 947 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 4: Really appreciate you. 948 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 3: Love you, brother, Michael Bisbin