WEBVTT - Episode 53: Teen Titans 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.120 Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nedificent. I am 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.560 one half of your host, Danny Fernandez. That sounded spooky 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.400 and sitting across from me, Hey, how's you? How you doing? 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:26.120 Is your boy as always coming in much? I wanted 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.760 to say the reason why it sounded spooky is because 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.520 our host today, who is the host of Geek History Lesson, 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:37.240 Ashley Robinson, just brought up the Adams Family trailer up. Yeah, 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.080 you're like, oh, I'm sorry. We also we don't cuss, 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.880 but they'll believe I'm sorry before we started we do, 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.600 but um, we're not supposed to. Sorry. So you liked it, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.920 but but I saw a lot of people online that didn't. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.400 I did like it. Um. I like it because I'm 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.560 trying to hope that everything is awesome, Like what if 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.880 it's awesome instead of what if it totally because I've 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:03.920 been surprised by things that I thought were going to 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.360 suck and turned out to be awesome in the past. Um, 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.119 and the opposite as well, like with some current movies 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.360 that are superho genres in the theater right now, and 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.520 I really like the cast, so I was super into that, 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.440 and I'm into the fact that the art here is 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:24.000 more referential to the original comic strips. Totally like it 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.160 because it feels like a departure from the nineties cartoon 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.640 or the live actions. Yeah, but the cast is so incredible. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.600 I mean, Oscar Isaac what so I was really excited 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.800 about that. If everyone else isn't excited, there's more for me. Yeah, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.720 that's fine, that's fine. I know. There's that weird thing 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.000 that it feels like people are like, well, if people 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.360 are liking a thing I don't like, I have to 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.800 make sure they know that they shouldn't like it. Like 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.400 people don't like have differing opinions anymore. It feels like, well, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.800 we're not allowed to write and then if if they're 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:57.440 a fan of you, they get extra mad about it 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.680 because we're all supposed to be friends online. But you 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.800 know what, friends disagree in real life and it's okay. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.240 I promise it'll be okay. I'm so for like wanting 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.679 things to do well, and um I love anytime, Like say, 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.880 if a movie doesn't do as well but someone loves it, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:14.639 I like that because it means that you were able 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.000 to enjoy it in some way, Like any time the 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.000 world is horrible and anytime anyone can enjoy anything. I'm 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.760 a fan of it. Yeah, it's also start hurting anyone, right, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.720 that's the big role. Um. If you what are you 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.519 into this week? Oh man, I'm into I got back 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:34.079 into Rainbow six Siege. Tom Clancy's Rainbow six. It's great. Yeah, 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.520 you know, I used to go so hard at it 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.160 and then I just got distracted by other games. And 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.000 today me and my boy Mr Moogli, we did a 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.480 squad stream and got all the way up to uh 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.600 gold too. So I think I might actually hit Platte 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.240 for the first time in my Rainbow six Siege career 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.640 this season. So I am proud of you. I can't 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.880 tell if Danna no, okay, never mind. I thought somebody 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.440 was clapping in the back, but they weren't. That was 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.840 towards the dog, you said, Mr Magoo when you were explaining. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.840 So in my brain, you've had a tiny white blind 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:13.280 man following you around throught the whole game. If I'm 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.560 super into the Twilight Zone that dropped, and that's another 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.400 thing that a lot of people have been Yeah, um, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.320 I do feel like it feels like the original Twilight Zones. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.520 Obviously it's not going to feel exactly like them. Um, 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.079 nor should it. Probably it's going to be somebody else's 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.680 take on it. But I do feel like a lot 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.160 of people who are just like I saw the twist coming. 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.320 I'm like, then, maybe it wasn't about the twist. Like 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.200 if it was just about the twist, it might be 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.800 like an m Night Shamalan type of thing. But there 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.720 are some very heated points of social commentary that happened 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.760 in a couple of the episodes that I feel people 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.200 are not talking about. And I feel like, as a 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:55.080 woman of color, I did kind of especially Adam Scott's 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.440 hit me in a different way. So um, that's all 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.680 I'll say on that. But yeah, and wait it and 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.440 I can't wait for the next one to drop this Thursday. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.120 This is not an ad for them, weird? Should we should? Though? 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.440 I should be getting my CBSL access for free. Um, 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.680 here's here's a fun thing about CBSL Access. If you 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.520 can't see your subscription a year and a half later, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.360 you can still access everything that's exclusive on there. Because 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.159 I canceled mine to Valentine days ago and I still 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.200 have access to all the exclusive content. Are you sure 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.839 they're not charging you on? Like something that I forgot about. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.560 Called them and I checked all my bank statements and 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.360 shout out to Reshot, the gentleman who helped me, and 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.159 he's like, he was like, I don't know, man, just 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:39.520 keep watching it. Okay, We're always giving you guys hot 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:44.200 tips here Underdificent or maybe they just know who you are, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:45.760 and it was like, we want you to write about it. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.400 We really liked that thirty one episode Star Trek parody 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.239 web series that you made in So you can watch 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.480 Discovery as long as you want. And it's funny because 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.239 I'm not the one in my household to watch just Discovery. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.760 Oh yeah, Anthony rap is not enough to keep me 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.880 watch in that show. And I do love Rent. So 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.160 I'm going to keep watching all of twilight Zone because 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.200 I want to see what the other episodes are there. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.000 You go, um, today we are covering teen Titans, and 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:16.200 actually you are an expert in these in these kiddos, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.159 they're my favorite super team. When Danny asked me if 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.760 this was a subject that I knew anything about or liked, 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.680 I was super thrilled and I was like, how nerdy 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.880 can I get? Because they're the best. They were the 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.200 top selling DC title for twelve years. What years were those? 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.200 Uh eighty two, nine two? It was between them and 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.120 then the Uncanny X Men or the top two best 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.760 selling comics. That's the new Teen Titans, the Wolfman Perez 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.920 era that affected and inspired the TV shows that I 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.120 think we're gonna be talking a lot about today. Yeah, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.320 but yeah, they're very important, and they're actually in terms 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.520 of profitability, DC's most profitable franchise really, So we like 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.800 to think about the Justice League, but to the Justice League, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.720 how comics? Uh, Teen Titans have comics as well. There's 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.880 also Titans Young Justice. All fall under that same banner. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.040 It's all the same creative teams and all the same characters. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.320 So they have more titles consistently that sell better than 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.160 Justice League, although Justice League has more issues. So if 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.200 you did, I can't do math, and I certainly can't 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.040 do math for inflation, Justice League probably wins in the comics. However, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.960 we've only had one Justice League movie, and it's arguably 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:32.200 a whiff. It's controversial at best. We've had one animated 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:36.479 television show that's over a decade old. Teen Titans had 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.000 the original animated television show Teen Titans Go, which is 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.120 DC Warner Animations most successful DC property show that also 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.240 spun out on an animal there. Even though I know 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.320 you're on this okay trend because this is gonna be 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.800 my one like rant and I'm gonna try and keep 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.240 it at that. But the reason I stopped you at 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.279 Teen Titans Go is a lot of people grew up 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.080 on the teen Titans before that me included, and loved it. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.520 And I feel like Teen Titans Go got so much 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.600 hate online from people out of the age range, like 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.720 so many people who grew up on the first team 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.560 titles like not my teen Ties, not my teen Titans. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.960 And I get that you want something for you, but 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.800 just go ahead and repeat what you just said about 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:23.120 Teen Titans Go. That is the most successful animated show 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.240 and it's spun out its own animated movie. So many 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.880 people try and push this idea online that they keep 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.720 pushing this bad Teen Titans Go. But if it's it's 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.600 most profitable, it seems like it's not as bad as 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.679 we want to believe it is. I get you want 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.840 the serious, you know, dark teen Titans uh that we have, 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.560 but that time's over. We had it and we enjoyed it. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.720 Now the kids that the demo that is watching that 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.240 time slot is getting something they enjoyed, so layoff. Yeah, 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.320 I mean we saw that with Shira and with ThunderCats. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.720 I mean that was yeah, I'll say that was just 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:01.560 straight up bologny just with those because at least teen Titans, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.520 you know go, We're like, oh, I know, I know 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.080 because I was. I'm of that same one. But no 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.800 one was watching Shira like that, Like no, just on 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.920 the original Shira. But the people who were complaining about it, 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:19.080 We're not like sheep show me the Shira figures show. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.000 We saw that at at least with ThunderCats were like, 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.840 not my animation. I'm like, come on, like we are 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.559 Why would they redo something they already did? Yeah, someone 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.000 did a really good uh post about it. Someone uh 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.040 And normally I hate long drawn out YouTube rants, but 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.720 this one happened to be on my side and it worked. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.320 But they pointed out that there was a dark ThunderCats 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.960 that they did and it flopped. It did not do well, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.360 so what so what are you asking for them to 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.840 do the thing that didn't work again or to try 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.600 something fun, which, once again we just said, teen Titans 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.400 Go is the most profitable teen Titans. So now that 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.680 makes you now, now maybe that you're hearing facts, you'll 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.800 understand why they went with that art direction because the 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.959 kids that it's made for like it. I was. I 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.360 was in that camp as well, where I was like, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.160 not my teen Titans super mad, Like the original Teen 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.800 Titans did the Judas Contract, which is so great and 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.360 like so monumental in comic book history, like forget about 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.719 Teen Titans history, And I was like, what is this nonsense? 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.400 But if you watch Teen Titans go, it is excellent, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.280 and they make dark side jokes which is a very 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.720 deep cut. And then if you go to any convention, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.120 you look around there are tiny children dressed up like 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.920 Raven and Beast Boy and Cyborg and all these characters 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:33.680 that otherwise nobody cares about. And that's the power of 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.520 that show and that's why it matters, and that's why 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.040 it's important. And if you don't like it, then don't 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.160 watch it. And like we were saying earlier, and I 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.320 want everyone who complained online and me included, I I 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.520 felt it when I saw it, and I knew it 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.560 was our fault. All our complaints are the reasons we got. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.920 And I know it's going to get bleep Batman. That's 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.480 that's that was gonna be like, oh, y'all want a 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.439 dark teen Titans, All right, let's help you out. We 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:02.800 did that. For people that don't what you're referencing, iffy oh, 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:08.280 for people who don't know, there's the live action Titan show, which, uh, 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.199 you know, I feel got It's funny because I'm in 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.320 a weird place with that because I feel like there 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.679 is some hate to be deserved, but I also felt 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.520 like it got too much hate. Like I'm like right 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.840 in the middle where it's like, well, let's calm down. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.480 But also, yeah, this is not looking that great. But 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.640 there everyone knows Batman's code. He doesn't kill we Actually 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.880 we're talking about that. Not too long ago, there is 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.679 a scene where Robin snapped someone's neck by stepping on 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:38.080 them and someone says something like Batman and he goes. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.320 They put it in the trailer downd DC Universe two 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.079 years after they promised we were getting DC Universe. Also, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.000 what's funny is like, as much as people hated that, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.880 there were some people online who I saw I was like, yeah, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:57.520 that's good, that was probably me. I love it, but 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.600 I'm I'm not trying to be a trolled. I just 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.880 like when ever people people are going to get upset 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.640 whenever people take risks and do like a different take. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.200 But I understand, I understand why that doesn't always work 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.280 to me. I just like when we're super I like 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.120 seeing the bizarro world. Yeah, I like the opposite, Like 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:14.959 I don't always want the same thing. I like seeing 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.839 like what if this person did go off the deep 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.640 end and was like, yes, go off the deep end. 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.280 But honestly, that's the true heart of comics, because that's 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.680 how you get things like Red Sun, and you get 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.600 things like you know, Old Man Logan like you, that's 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.400 the there. Someone pointed this out to me a while 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.760 ago when I really were was reading capes and they're 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.720 saying they stopped reading capes because they got too obsessed 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.000 with cannon and we stopped doing these one off fun 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.920 things like All Star Superman and Superman is fun. I 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.360 mean it's fun in the sense All Star Superman made 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.760 me like Superman because I was to Superman and then 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:56.240 when I saw it, yeah, yeah, it makes down. Wait, 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.760 how did you not like Superman? He was doing perfect 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:03.120 but you like, go he's dumb. Goku's dumb. You know 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.520 what I'm saying. His flaw is that he has this 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.440 childishness about him and that he does put people in 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.840 danger because he wants to challenge himself. Superman is just perfect. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.800 He's smart, he's handsome, he is the top of his job, 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.320 he gets the girl. He can't do anything wrong. He's 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.680 not dumb, you know. Like, so he is too perfect. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.400 But I could see where you would think, oh with Goku. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.240 But Goku does have so many flaws that I'm constantly 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:33.040 debating against online. Also, we're not here to talk about Superman. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.839 But when you were, Um, I'm originally from Canada, so 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.160 when you're not American, yeah, Superman is sort of held up. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.120 It's Superman in Captain America, held up as like these 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:45.240 bastions of American identity. So for me growing up, I 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.840 was like, you can't like Superman, I'm not American, which 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.319 is funny because he's like an immigrant. But yeah, but 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.079 I hadn't thought about that as a a I mean, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.120 I married a white guy from a farm in Kansas, 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.600 so clearly I've come around. But I remember when I 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.880 was in university. I went to the University of Ottawa, 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.600 which is Canada's capital City. UM had a really good friend. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.200 He's actually on that YouTube show Wayne now is one 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.240 of the twins. I haven't seen it. That's just the 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.400 thing that people might know. He had a Superman belt buckle, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.120 and I was like, you're Canadian, you cannot wear that. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.560 We were like getting vites about that. But Superman is 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.920 a difficult character for people to come around on, which 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.319 is why I think Teen Titans, like I was saying, 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:30.040 was so successful, because they are deeply flawed. Um, Robin 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.600 is the best among them, and Dick Grayson as the best. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.959 Robin is a deeply flawed leader, but he grows up 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.959 to lead the Justice League. So yeah, so let's get 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:43.400 into the characters. So you brought up Dick Grayson. What 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.520 would you say his personality for people that are just 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.280 listening to this as far as his motivation and yeah, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.920 so Dick Grayson is the o g Robin Um. When 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.160 he was first introduced, he's very much what you would 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.600 think of as like the Ward Robin from the Adam 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.520 West Batman. He's very like, ah, ge, I'm the perfect 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.720 sidekick and I'm enthused to be here, Like he is 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.360 the light to Batman's dark and that evolves into a 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.000 more interesting thing as the character goes along and he 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.319 takes on the night Wink d Unity, which happens during 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.600 this New Teen Titans. But the o G Teen Titans, 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.600 which is funny, are not in the show notes. UM 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.280 We're started in nineteen sixty four as an answer to 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.040 the Avengers, UM and some of the first teams that 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.920 Marvel was putting out. So it was Robin Kid, Flash Aqualat, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.760 and Wonder Girl, and they only ran for a couple 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:33.480 of years in a bunch of backup stories because they 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.520 weren't very good, and then they put them to bed 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.080 until Wolfman and Perez, who, in my opinion you can 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.520 fight me online about it, are the greatest creative team 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.360 in comics. UM created the New Teen Titans in the eighties, 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.280 So that version of Robin is the very like Plucky 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.840 Galli g We're here to do our best and that's 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.360 all that they do. They fight like a bunch of 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.920 kind of star ow starfish monsters and a lot of 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.320 their adventures. But then later on UM it's a it's 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.240 all about when they bring on these new character it's 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.440 about stepping out of the shadow of your mentor, which 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.080 is why I think again, they're flawed and people like that, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.120 and Robin in the beginning is a bad leader because 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.280 he's a bit like the eighties were the beginning of 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:15.120 Super Dick Batman thanks Frank Miller, where he's really mean 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.360 and he like he actually punches Nightwing in the face 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.760 like in the early two thousand um and Dick has 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.480 a little bit of that kind of turn because he's 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:24.840 trying to do all of this on his own and 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.120 he has to learn to open up to everyone around him, 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.280 and then he dates an alien for a while, so 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.360 but he's always the de facto leader, and then later 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.320 on there's different incarnations of the team, but always there's 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.600 always a Robin in charge. So like right now it's 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.920 Damien Wayne, which makes me mad, but it's why why 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.960 do you not like Damien Wayne? I if I could 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:49.480 undo one thing in comic book history, Damien Wayne, I 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.680 love it because it was the To me, it was 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.920 a perfect wrench in Batman, even though Damien Wayne came 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.640 at a tough time, which I can see why, because 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.000 Damian Wayne came at the time where there was seven 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.600 bat comics. You had Batman, you had Nightwing, you had 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.840 the Black Batman, which I forget his name, bat Wing, 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.920 and you had a Bad Girl Batwoman, and you had 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.720 Batman incorporated. It was there were so many bat comics 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.200 and then they're like, oh, and there's Damien and you're like, 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.840 all right, this is there's too many bats. It was 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.400 almost when it was class season for Marvel when you 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.520 had Dack in which da can I can I love 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.240 him and hate him at the same time. But then 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.440 you have Wolverine x twenty three and and then they 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.520 all had their own comics a comic together, and then 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.400 Wolverine had like three different comics. Uh so I I 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.480 remember at that time being like, this is getting super expensive. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:45.560 But what I like about Damien is it is the 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:50.320 ultimate challenge to him because it's like, Okay, Batman has 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.560 always had a robin, but what if there's a robin 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.440 he can't just fire because it's his son and this 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.920 person straight up, Mrs people, did you know that Wolverine 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.720 skunk Bear. That's my favorite thing about Wolverine, Yeah, skunk 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.320 So we have a joke on Geek hisry lesson that 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.160 Wolverine and all of his adopted children because they're never 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.520 like part of his actually they're like a pride of 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.720 illegitimate skunk bearers because they just like follow him around 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.720 and sometimes I'm trying to kill him. Um. And then 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.880 I understand Damian Wayne narratively because you are presenting us 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.159 with what if Bruce Wayne never had Alfred? And like 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.240 that's that character exploration. But for me, Tim Drake is 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:32.320 my favorite superhero, and Jim Drake is the best of 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:39.320 all times. Your favorite superhero Red Robin Jason Todd is right. Okay, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.680 there's like seven, depending on if you count Carrie Kelly 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.080 or not. Oh man, you always got a country. I 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.080 always got. I used to find and when I was 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.280 in university, I used to find the one guy at 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.680 a party with a Batman shirt and get in an argument. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:56.600 There's always one. There's always one, and you are the debate. Yeah. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.480 I like to scream at them about how important really 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.080 named seven of his records? It was I didn't. I 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:09.200 was not popular. Oh you used your nerd um for 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.240 for bad but I respected. Okay. But the reason I 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.480 don't like Davien is because I think it is so 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.320 powerful that Batman, even though he is so broken, becomes 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.120 an adoptive father, and I think giving him a biological 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.600 son who we can never get rid of because he's 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.840 his biological son. I think for me it sort of 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.080 cuts the power of that narrative off at the knees. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.600 But I've enjoyed him. I really enjoy him in Super 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.840 Signs where he's against the new super Boy. I think 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.239 that's really interesting. Um, but I would still lendo him 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:46.359 from me, I cannot, I would super him. He's My 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.240 favorite representation of Dick Grayson is in Lego Batman, which 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.560 is so funny. Why are you giggling? Because that's the 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.040 cutest one I know, But it's the most robbin thing 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.639 I can think of. And it's so funny because Hector Navarro, 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.959 who we all know that's his favorite iteration of Batman 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:06.760 is Lego Batman. That's a ton of people's online. Sorry, no, 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.960 it's it's so perfectly uh, I think illustrated. I didn't 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.600 laugh because it's a bad thing, because it's just it 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.200 seems like such a d I think it's that, Yeah, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.080 you go for like the super innocent because like for me, 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.760 Dick Greyson, because I came up reading nineties comics, is 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.359 like kind of the sexy robin and he should always 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.119 be played by Matt Bomer, who he will never be 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.400 able to be played by because Bomber and Doom Patrol. Now, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.280 I used to want him to be Vegina. I wanted 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:39.359 everyone to be Vegina. Um yeah, anyways, fun fact about 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.000 Doom Patrol. Uh, because cyborgs in it. Haven't you noticed? 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.080 Um that Okay? I really one of my favorite things 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.879 about the Justice League movie, which I think you can 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.200 also put under the Teen Titans is a great franchise 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.600 standard because it does have Cyborg in it, is Ray 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.280 Fisher as Cyborg. He's I think he's such a great 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.440 live action Cyborg and he brings such manity to that character. 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.240 Where Um, this is light spoiler because I heard this 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.639 mention before the show started. The shows the cartoons like 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:09.119 to be like, I'm a robot and you're like, but 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.240 you're a real boy. Like if it's not a Pinocchio scenario, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.600 Um yeah, I really the one. I think Doom but 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.920 you I cannot believe it's any good. It's very good 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.480 asterisks except Cyborg. They looked like they glue to target mask. 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.800 Then maybe that was a good thing because I auditioned 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.760 for Cyborg and I was and that was a big 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.919 moment for me because I told my manager years before 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.720 Justice because Lee came out. I was like, it was 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.919 when they first announced Titan. It's not the one that 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.520 was on here, but that was exactly. I was like, 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.680 you need to look into this and I need to 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:52.200 be Cyborg. My managers, I need to be Terra. So 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.960 that never happened. Uh, And so then smash cut two 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.600 and I was like, oh my gosh, I missed the 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.800 opportunit unity. And I looked it up and ray Fisher 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.399 was Cyborg. Because I found out about Justice League, I 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:09.120 was just getting ready. I like found out right after 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.159 ray Fisher was cast, but I didn't know he was 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.800 cast yet, and I was like, Cyborg Mission part two, 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.240