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Speaker 2: the opportunity to face the Philadelphia Eagles. You know, it
Speaker 2: was interesting watching Philadelphia win. And we'll get to that
Speaker 2: in thirty minutes. But watching Philadelphia win, I kept thinking
Speaker 2: during that game, how is Buffalo gonna stop Philadelphia's offense?
Speaker 2: They just do not match up. And I kept thinking
Speaker 2: during that I thought Kansas City will match up fine,
Speaker 2: They'll make enough stops to give Mahomes a chance to
Speaker 2: win Mahomes much much. You know, it's a coaching and
Speaker 2: quarterback matchup for Kansas City against Philadelphia. I'll take Kansas
Speaker 2: City in that one. But as I watched that game,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh boy, Buffalo's going to have their hands full,
Speaker 2: so let's start. I want to start kind of backwards.
Speaker 2: So Buffalo all year I thought was a really diverse offense.
Speaker 2: They got away from relying totally on Josh Allen. I
Speaker 2: think they're running backs. They're not Detroit, but they're really good.
Speaker 2: I like their tight ends. I think they're receivers. You
Speaker 2: have no star Amari Cooper is not what he was,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of again a diverse group, a slot guy,
Speaker 2: a big athlete, the veteran, the rookie, and then they
Speaker 2: go one for five on tush pushes. Now, Bill's fans
Speaker 2: will say we went two for five, but when they
Speaker 2: were trying those, I kept thinking, John, guys, you have
Speaker 2: great backs, second to Detroit in my opinion in the league.
Speaker 2: You have two excellent backs. You have tight ends. You're
Speaker 2: not now going to revert back to four year ago
Speaker 2: Buffalo where Josh Allen on every fourth down. I mean,
Speaker 2: you knew exactly what they were doing. And Kansas City conversely,
Speaker 2: though they use Mahomes, I never know what the hell
Speaker 2: they're going to do on third and two or fourth
Speaker 2: and one. I have no idea. I'm totally left guessing.
Speaker 2: So my first take was, Okay, you're reverted back to
Speaker 2: the Buffalo that can never beat Kansas City. You got tight,
Speaker 2: you got conservative, and situationally, you got very predictable, and
Speaker 2: it drove me nuts. Your take on that, as we start, well.
Speaker 3: Let's start with the Eagles push push that the Bills use.
Speaker 3: I think when you watch the Eagles do it, I
Speaker 3: hate the play because it's so automatic. Yeah, but when
Speaker 3: they run the play, you can't see Jalen Hurts. He
Speaker 3: disappears when the Bills run it. What did Nance say
Speaker 3: on the first time they ran at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the game that spags and defenders told him yesterday that
Speaker 3: Josh likes to go left. Not only does he like
Speaker 3: to go left, he goes hi. Yeah, obviously he did
Speaker 3: the one Drew Brees jump over. But even when he's
Speaker 3: not going to jump over, he goes hi. Guy six six,
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty pounds, But he does not do
Speaker 3: the Jalen Hurts under No, they clearly scouted that. And
Speaker 3: let's face it, Kansas City's defensive line on the short
Speaker 3: yardage plays. You know the story of this Kansas City,
Speaker 3: let's just call it what it is. They're the Bulls
Speaker 3: right now, White. Yeah, they play in these games. They're
Speaker 3: gonna win them. Yeah. Their defense has always in these
Speaker 3: big games against the Niners, against the Eagles, all their
Speaker 3: big AFC Championship wins, their defense comes through. And tonight
Speaker 3: fourth and five, the touch pushes and the two point
Speaker 3: plays were fantastic. Fourth and five with one of the
Speaker 3: great talents we've ever seen in Josh Allen. Spags brings
Speaker 3: that corner blitz and even Romo's like you would not
Speaker 3: have expected. He just lined over the corner and the
Speaker 3: guy was in the backfield like that, and that turned
Speaker 3: out to be the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the biggest play of the season for the Bills.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen was reduced to a semi hail Mary. That's
Speaker 2: what their season was reduced to. So it's coaching Spags.
Speaker 3: Well, think about think about this colin. They knew he'd
Speaker 3: want to go right. He's not gonna scramble throw across
Speaker 3: the body, so they knew he'd go right. They had
Speaker 3: the corner lineup. The corner just looks like he's playing
Speaker 3: normal defense and in a split second he's already in
Speaker 3: the backfield. You could argue that you know the tight
Speaker 3: ens or to caught the ball, but still it's a
Speaker 3: free play.
Speaker 2: I really watching this tonight, there's an MJ Tiger Woods feel.
Speaker 2: They all wore red mahomes on, Mahomes on Sunday, Tiger
Speaker 2: on Sunday, and MJ in the finals, and not only
Speaker 2: do they elevate to another gear, Let's face it, mahomes
Speaker 2: in these big games against Buffalo. It's just different. He
Speaker 2: runs more aggressively, he runs more often, he is much
Speaker 2: more focused. I mean, listen, there's regular season Mahomes, there's
Speaker 2: playoff Mahomes, then there's Mahomes in Super Bowls and getting
Speaker 2: the Super Bowls. He absolutely elevates Josh Allen, I thought
Speaker 2: on the first drive was nervous. Tony Romo called him out.
Speaker 2: He went Kansas City's first drive. Mahomes was on fire,
Speaker 2: completely on fire. But this is where's Jordan would play
Speaker 2: these games, and Michael had bad games. Michael lost to
Speaker 2: the Expansion Raptors. If I recall like twice, you know,
Speaker 2: like Michael had games where he shot poorly. But Michael
Speaker 2: would get into these six minute stretches where steam would
Speaker 2: come off his head and it's like, oh that you
Speaker 2: only got that, Michael, like in May and June. That's
Speaker 2: the only time you got or it was a big
Speaker 2: TV game on a Sunday prime time on like NBC.
Speaker 2: Mahomes from the very first drive, he was different. He
Speaker 2: was never anxious, never rattled, totally focused, more aggressive than
Speaker 2: he usually is. And I thought John the first drive
Speaker 2: of the game for Buffalo was aimless. The first drive
Speaker 2: for Kansas City looked like, we know exactly where their
Speaker 2: weakness is and so remember they deferred it, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So Kansas City at home seven to nothing lead after
Speaker 2: a terrible Bills will drive and they're getting it to
Speaker 2: open the second half. Right there, with a seven to
Speaker 2: nothing lead at home, getting the second half kickoff, your
Speaker 2: chances of winning are over sixty percent. Not that that
Speaker 2: was the game, but that is an indicator of how
Speaker 2: the game was gonna flaw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he could have thrown Josh Allen on
Speaker 3: that first drive, two interceptions in the first three plays. Yes,
Speaker 3: I will say this for him though, as the game
Speaker 3: went on, he really real settled down and looked like,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the greatest players on the planet,
Speaker 3: and obviously gave his team a chance to win. But
Speaker 3: I actually thought the game could have been over at
Speaker 3: the end of half when he was twenty one to
Speaker 3: ten and the Bills got the ball and they ended
Speaker 3: up not getting the two points, but they got six points.
Speaker 3: I thought they had to get a field goal. They
Speaker 3: ended up getting six points that kept them alive. But
Speaker 3: you know, speaking of the Bulls, if memory serves me correct,
Speaker 3: weren't they struggling to win Game seven in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: eight against the Pacers just to make it to the
Speaker 3: NBA Finals. And you know, remember then Scottie Pippens's back
Speaker 3: was bad. That's what this kind of felt like. I mean,
Speaker 3: they were down twenty two to twenty one in the second.
Speaker 1: Half, and I wrote down, maybe the Chiefs just ran
Speaker 1: out of magic, and then they didn't because the Bills fumbled,
Speaker 1: they get the ball back, they score, they have a
Speaker 1: seven point lead with ten minutes that you're just like,
Speaker 1: there is no way the Kansaty Chiefs with a seven
Speaker 1: point lead with ten minutes to go at home are
Speaker 1: gonna lose this game.
Speaker 3: Because then the Bills even scored and tied the game.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter because then they flipped it where
Speaker 3: they're always gonna get the ball after they tie the
Speaker 3: after they tie the game, So they started getting in
Speaker 3: control once they took the lead in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: John, I always say this when a game is over,
Speaker 2: Losing teams, unless it's a blowout, always blame the rests.
Speaker 2: It's just it's why I can't watch games with fans.
Speaker 2: So if I would have told you, as a Buffalo
Speaker 2: Bills fan, you're gonna fail on multiple two point conversions.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get super conservative in the second half. You're
Speaker 2: gonna fumble four times, albeit you recover all of them,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna have a horrible opening drive. Kansas City's
Speaker 2: opening drive is going to be razor sharp. Does it
Speaker 2: sound like you would win? I mean, just say it
Speaker 2: out loud. Failed two point conversions one for five on
Speaker 2: the Josh Allen push push, could not make big stops
Speaker 2: on mahomes in the last several and on the last drive.
Speaker 2: What does it sound like like this was a game.
Speaker 3: You could use the turnable battle as well. You fumble,
Speaker 3: they don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just cut to the chase. Buffalo had some
Speaker 2: dark magic work in their way. They fumbled either four
Speaker 2: or five times and recovered all of them. On that
Speaker 2: play where they fumbled, Josh Allen fumbled and was caught
Speaker 2: upside down in the middle of the pile. The fact
Speaker 2: that they recovered that is the most fortuitous bounce Buffalo
Speaker 2: could ever get. By the way, I had the Bills
Speaker 2: winning this one. I was kind of rooting for the
Speaker 2: Bills to win. I wanted to see a new Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: But when I watched Philadelphia, my take that whole game
Speaker 2: was Buffalo is it? They do not match up with phildelp.
Speaker 2: They are not going to be able to stop Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: And I do feel like Kansas City will have a shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And listen, Josh had to do the Drew Brees
Speaker 3: on that fourth and one because he realized, I can't
Speaker 3: do what I've been doing. It's not going to work right.
Speaker 3: And you know the reason Drew Brees does that. He
Speaker 3: does that into the end zone. So even if they
Speaker 3: hit the ball out and already scored a touchdown, it
Speaker 3: shows you why you can't do that. And listen, I
Speaker 3: think what really shined through tonight. And listen the Bills.
Speaker 3: These teams beside that Burrow team, when you play the Chiefs,
Speaker 3: the teams crumble. I mean last year the Ravens just
Speaker 3: an embarrassing loss. What happened to the Houston Texans a
Speaker 3: week ago that the Bills. Listen, they keep running into
Speaker 3: this team, but they do play him better. You know,
Speaker 3: the Niners and the Eagles have played them well in
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. But of all the AFC teams, mainly
Speaker 3: Lamar and the Ravens, like they've played this team really well.
Speaker 3: They've had a chance to win. But the difference is
Speaker 3: I mean, how good Like you said that opening drive,
Speaker 3: It's like, did Andy have a month to prepare.
Speaker 1: For this game?
Speaker 3: Is crazy as facts down the stretch. How many times
Speaker 3: do his blitzes work perfectly? How dial does he have
Speaker 3: this group? I mean every time he gets Chris Jones
Speaker 3: in the right spot. How well is defensive backs play? Listen.
Speaker 3: I love this game because I thought it kind of
Speaker 3: just was a throwback game. The violence, the effort, I mean,
Speaker 3: even that one touchdown play by Cook when he reaches
Speaker 3: the ball over.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I thought this game was, I mean, game of the year,
Speaker 3: just in terms of what was on the line. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Chiefs, I mean, listen, desperately want to do this.
Speaker 3: The Bill's effort was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Total yards three sixty eight Kansas City three seventy four,
Speaker 2: Buffalo passing yards identical rushing yards close. They both averaged
Speaker 2: at least five point five yards of play. One had
Speaker 2: twenty eight first downs, Kansas City Buffalo had twenty two.
Speaker 2: Both solid on third down, though Kansas City better. Both
Speaker 2: effective on fourth down. Both about the same number of plays,
Speaker 2: Both allowed two sacks, Both had two punts. Both had one.
Speaker 2: Buffalo had six penalties, Kansas City had five. Both had
Speaker 2: the ball thirty minutes. I mean, you looked up and
Speaker 2: down they it was an even match. This is what
Speaker 2: we expected. I predicted twenty eight to twenty seven Buffalo,
Speaker 2: but it but failed two point conversions. Very Josh Allen
Speaker 2: reliant on big push push plays and in the end,
Speaker 2: it's just a matter Like even Kansas City's final drive,
Speaker 2: it was just you needed Buffalo because they had a chance,
Speaker 2: because they had a timeout, they had a chance to
Speaker 2: get it back maybe with fifteen twenty seconds. Kansas City
Speaker 2: delivered two big plays. And we knew all year Buffalo's
Speaker 2: defense was a liability, but we thought Kansas City's offense
Speaker 2: would not punish you because it had sputtered most of
Speaker 2: the year. Hell, it sputtered against Houston.
Speaker 3: I don't remember a coach in all my years of
Speaker 3: watching football, typically the guy that always blitzes, you know,
Speaker 3: has some incredible moments, but also has some pretty embarrassing moments.
Speaker 3: I don't remember a guy now for six seven straight
Speaker 3: years who is just known as the king of blitzes.
Speaker 3: And it feels like in the second half and they're
Speaker 3: playing in the biggest game for six straight years. They
Speaker 3: always were Colin and they're not like someone trips and
Speaker 3: he got lucky. It's like the guy is being untouched,
Speaker 3: unembedded on the way to the quarterback. I mean, Steve Spagnola.
Speaker 3: If he was an offensive coach, we would talk about
Speaker 3: him like Andy Reid, the Shanahan family, I mean the
Speaker 3: Walsh I mean, I think because we live in such
Speaker 3: an offensive league and we talk about the quarterbacks and
Speaker 3: we talk about the coaches rightfully, so and so many
Speaker 3: of them are great offensive coaches. This guy has had
Speaker 3: one of the greatest stretches in the history of football,
Speaker 3: especially in the league. That is, let's face the kind
Speaker 3: of anti defense the officiating is against them. He has
Speaker 3: dominated for them.
Speaker 2: Well, ask yourself, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Steve Spagnola. My
Speaker 2: argument is best head coach, quarterback, defensive coordinator, combo of
Speaker 2: all time. That's as good now. Domblin for years had
Speaker 2: Dick Lebow, but they were both on the defensive side.
Speaker 2: The symmetry with them greatest play designer, play caller, greatest
Speaker 2: current quarterback, best defensive coordinator, top three defensive linemen. We
Speaker 2: have to give Kansas City's defense some credit here, dude.
Speaker 2: First of all, mcduffee is an elite top three or
Speaker 2: four corner in the league, so Buffalo does not have
Speaker 2: one of those. Buffalo came into the game concerned about
Speaker 2: the health of the corners. Buffalo's rap he's always hurt
Speaker 2: at safety, good player, always hurt. So coming into this game,
Speaker 2: if you ask Buffalo fans, they were concerned about their secondary.
Speaker 2: It feels like we've been concerned about Buffalo's secondary and
Speaker 2: its health for several years running. What we weren't concerned
Speaker 2: about is the offense. And if you look at the
Speaker 2: numbers in the box score, the offense got in the
Speaker 2: second half very concertive. Listen, Josh Allen to maccollins two.
Speaker 2: You take out those two huge plays. That was a
Speaker 2: big chunk offense. Those two plays, I.
Speaker 3: Think the other thing that did Kansas City And listen, Buffalo,
Speaker 3: I give them credit to They're just not quite as
Speaker 3: physical as the chief The Chiefs are the best tackling
Speaker 3: team in the league. How good you know? Forever it
Speaker 3: was Eric Reid who was the first round pick for
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers from LSU, and then his brother
Speaker 3: comes along and Andy Reid just signs him as a
Speaker 3: free agent from Houston. And how good has Justin Reid
Speaker 3: been for them? He makes so many open field tackles.
Speaker 3: I mean they're they're tackling with their obviously most defensive
Speaker 3: lines of good teams are physical. How good is their secondary?
Speaker 3: They all hit like linebackers. So it's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: you gain five yards and then you get destroyed by
Speaker 3: some guy. We're weighing two hundred pounds, this running a
Speaker 3: four to four. I mean the physicality of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Let's face it. The first iteration was bombs away. This
Speaker 3: like Mike Martz two thousand offense right with Tyreek Hill
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. Yeah, they have shifted into this like
Speaker 3: mid eighties Ditka Parcels type team. Look at Mahomes, He's
Speaker 3: got thrown for four hundred yards here. No, he's playing
Speaker 3: smart football, a lot of play action dump offs, making
Speaker 3: big throws when he has to, and their defense dominates
Speaker 3: at the most opportune times. They might give up a
Speaker 3: couple of plays, like you said, the Mac Collins play.
Speaker 3: It's one of the great catches you'll see ever in
Speaker 3: a play by God Over. You know, the guy draped
Speaker 3: all over him over it was Willie Mays with a
Speaker 3: guy draped over his shoulders, so a great pass. I
Speaker 3: mean that was that was just a great NFL football player.
Speaker 2: If you wouldn't have if you weren't an NFL fan,
Speaker 2: and you could just describe Kansas City, Buffalo and Baltimore
Speaker 2: over the last three to four years and you were
Speaker 2: just describing to somebody they said, give me, give me
Speaker 2: ninety seconds to describe it. You'd say, well, there's this
Speaker 2: Kansas City team and they just kind of develop their
Speaker 2: offensive weapons over the course of the season, and then
Speaker 2: by the time they get to the end of the season,
Speaker 2: they're the best version of themselves, like by thirty percent.
Speaker 2: And then Buffalo and Baltimore always great in the regular season,
Speaker 2: and then they play Kansas City and like they of
Speaker 2: change and they're a little conservative and they get a
Speaker 2: little weird with their quarterbacks and that's what the games
Speaker 2: look like. And that's how I feel Kansas City Worthy today,
Speaker 2: hugely valuable. I mean, Kelsey kind of disappeared, so Worthy
Speaker 2: was a huge part of it. Mahomes was more aggressive.
Speaker 2: So I feel like Kansas City does this every year.
Speaker 2: We're kind of like, eh, this offense is tough it's
Speaker 2: Kelsey even. Oh my god. Then they get to the playoffs,
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, they're in December, they're kind of fair.
Speaker 2: And then they play a game like this and you're like, shit,
Speaker 2: they are really good on third and fourth down and situationally.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I mean both these guys have a long
Speaker 3: time to play out their careers. Let's not forget. On
Speaker 3: Draft night, the Buffalo Bills traded with the Kansatley Chiefs,
Speaker 3: who drafted Xavier Worthy, who tonight had six catches for
Speaker 3: a touchdown and he had another couple carries for shooge
Speaker 3: are huge. They drafted Keon Coleman, who again I think
Speaker 3: is gonna be okay, had one catch for twelve yards.
Speaker 3: So if I'm a Bill's fan and Andy Reid, and
Speaker 3: remember they took some shit that night, it's like, of
Speaker 3: all the teams you could trade, should we be doing
Speaker 3: a deal with this? And you know, old school football
Speaker 3: people would say values value if you don't want the player,
Speaker 3: but if they want to play, if Billy Bean's on
Speaker 3: the horn and he wants the player, maybe just keep
Speaker 3: the guy or just draft the guy. And Dave, you're worthy,
Speaker 3: not even just tonight, but I would say down the
Speaker 3: stretch of the season it took them a little long. Yes,
Speaker 3: you're like, he is going to be dramatically better next
Speaker 3: year with Patrick and am.
Speaker 2: Well watchhand and Rashi Rice comes back becoming a uber.
Speaker 2: So they have solved and Noah Gray will it within
Speaker 2: a year be a reliable average tight end. So they
Speaker 2: had this two year window where they were really vulnerable.
Speaker 2: They were ham and eggat at wide receiver, bringing back
Speaker 2: Juju Smith, Schuster, Ben Watson, and they were vulnerable. Well,
Speaker 2: now Roshie Rice is back a one worthies and extremely
Speaker 2: gifted player. It was more of a gadget guy early.
Speaker 2: Now he's a volume guy. I didn't know if he'd
Speaker 2: ever become a volume guy. So they had this two
Speaker 2: year window when you kind of had opportunities to beat them,
Speaker 2: and they were relying on sky More in Super Bowls
Speaker 2: like that shit's over. Now they're not. Now they're ready
Speaker 2: to roll and they've got the receiving unit figured out.
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's you know, I think there's a
Speaker 3: decent chance there's been some buzz you could argue now
Speaker 3: win or lose, that this could be Kelsey's last game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I think the scary part would be is like
Speaker 3: they didn't really need him to beat the Bills, who
Speaker 3: are by far their biggest foe. And okay, they'll just
Speaker 3: drap the tight end in the first or second round.
Speaker 3: And the other thing we know the Chiefs are going
Speaker 3: to do is this is a loaded running back class.
Speaker 3: There's a decent chance on the second day google Andy's history,
Speaker 3: like Shady McCoy second round pick, if they add a
Speaker 3: good running back in the second round. This is a
Speaker 3: defensive team with core pieces coming back. That's the scary thing.
Speaker 3: And listen, I learned my lesson. I bet against the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: This was more of a bet. I just thought it
Speaker 3: was like the likelihood the Patriots lost all the time.
Speaker 3: Part of the reason that no team ever gets back
Speaker 3: to three straight championships because usually Joe Montana, forty nine Ers,
Speaker 3: Troy Aikman Cowboys, the Tom Brady you just lose the
Speaker 3: third or fourth time. You lose a couple of championship games.
Speaker 3: It's not the end of the world. This team, this
Speaker 3: is in what world? Unless you're a diehard Eagles guy?
Speaker 3: Do you not envision this team winning the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3: Because I can't. I just don't envision them losing any
Speaker 3: of these games. We have a year resume now of
Speaker 3: them winning all their games that look remotely the same. Right,
Speaker 3: they find a way. It's just it's been one of
Speaker 3: the crazier, most impressive seasons I've ever seen from a
Speaker 3: team any sport ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think coaching quarterback, Kansas City has
Speaker 2: a huge, huge, seismic edge on Philadelphia. Roster is clearly
Speaker 2: edged to Philly, and we'll get into that game in
Speaker 2: a few minutes. But I was just looking at the
Speaker 2: rushes for Mahomes. So over the course of a season,
Speaker 2: Mahomes in a game will rush six or seven times.
Speaker 2: Tonight eleven. It is very mj. He just shifts. And
Speaker 2: I also think, listen McDermott, you're a little trap with McDermott.
Speaker 2: Like shocker. If I told you one of the two
Speaker 2: coaches in this game is going to get kind of
Speaker 2: conservative in the second half, who would you have guessed
Speaker 2: it would be? They got really run heavy in the
Speaker 2: second half. Now again, I thought all year they had
Speaker 2: this kind of dexterity offensively, They had just a lot
Speaker 2: of people. I still think Ken Cage should have caught
Speaker 2: that last pass hit him in the hands, hit him
Speaker 2: in the hands. He literally hit him in the hands.
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Speaker 2: Again. I think Baltimore and Buffalo are going to be very,
Speaker 2: very good teams. But when I look at Kansas City
Speaker 2: and I look at that front seven defensively, and I
Speaker 2: look at Brett Veach's drafting, and I look at Howie
Speaker 2: Roseman's drafting, is you know, GMS, we don't pay a
Speaker 2: lot a lot of attention. Outside of moneyball, we don't
Speaker 2: pay attention. I mean, the Dodgers just go buy the
Speaker 2: best players. Right. We don't talk about Andrew Friedman, even
Speaker 2: though he's excellent. It's mostly there. In baseball, we talk
Speaker 2: about how much money can Steve Cohen spend. In the NBA,
Speaker 2: once you draft a star, the GM's just trying to
Speaker 2: find rotational guys around the star. In the NFL, there
Speaker 2: is a gap in quality of general managers, and to me,
Speaker 2: not just because their teams are good. I think Howie
Speaker 2: Roseman's won. I think Brett Veach is two depending on
Speaker 2: the draft. And I don't think I love Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: but in Philadelphia he didn't have this kind of talent.
Speaker 2: I mean it took Brett a couple of years to
Speaker 2: get this receiving core. Right. Remember that's the hardest position
Speaker 2: to draft in the first round. It has the most
Speaker 2: misses in the last twenty years. But I think they're
Speaker 2: buttoned up now going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing when I got to Philadelphia I learned
Speaker 3: is O line D line comes first. And in my
Speaker 3: four years of drafts when I first got there, Brandon
Speaker 3: Graham was our first round pick. My second year, Danny Watkins,
Speaker 3: he was a flop, But who was offensive lineman? First
Speaker 3: round pick? Fletcher Cox's first round pick, Lane Johnson first
Speaker 3: round pick. You know, was not saying you can't draft
Speaker 3: other positions, but that's where you win in this league
Speaker 3: is on the fronts, and I mean that's been a
Speaker 3: separating factor for the Eagles. Think about this too. It's
Speaker 3: not like Andy doesn't love skill guys. He once traded
Speaker 3: for Terrell Owens, he drafted to Shawn Jackson, he loved
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill. But they had a tough decision a couple
Speaker 3: of years back when it came to Tyreek Hill. What
Speaker 3: did they do? They traded him so they could go
Speaker 3: all in on Chris Jones. They chose one of the
Speaker 3: two guys, and they not only chose the right guy,
Speaker 3: then they parlayed that in the McDuffie and Karlovskis. You know,
Speaker 3: I mean Bill Belichick could have drafted Karloski's he traded
Speaker 3: out so Andy Reid could trade up.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: So you had Karlovskis to go with Chris Jones, to
Speaker 3: go with a great coordinator, to go with a fantastic secondary.
Speaker 3: And the one thing the Chiefs en listened it starts
Speaker 3: with Kelsey and Mahomes. But they just have a lot
Speaker 3: of high level, high football IQ tough guys. It's not
Speaker 3: actually this sexy like there's not a bunch of Jerry
Speaker 3: Rice's and Ray Lewis's. I mean, it's not the sexiest
Speaker 3: like NFL films, all time great sound bites. It's just
Speaker 3: kind of old school, boring, high level cats who you know,
Speaker 3: the one thing and listen, I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people in that organization were not a place where you
Speaker 3: get to sit in the training room on Wednesday and Thursday.
Speaker 3: Our guys practice. Obviously, if you're legitimately injured, you don't
Speaker 3: have to practice, but this is not like we co
Speaker 3: through once the season. Listen, there are a lot of
Speaker 3: players you're like, yeah, here, this guy doesn't practice much
Speaker 3: during the week, and as it in years, that shit
Speaker 3: doesn't fly there. And their star got Travis Kelsey's like
Speaker 3: the hardest practicing guy on the team. In fairness, Tyreek
Speaker 3: always was for them too, but it just got so
Speaker 3: expensive and they really value that and I'd say it
Speaker 3: shows well and I think Belichick did too, and they
Speaker 3: had twenty years of kicking everyone's ass.
Speaker 2: Show me the warm Weather or Dome team dynasty. If
Speaker 2: you look at Pro football New England, cold, private, covert, intense,
Speaker 2: physical Philadelphia, intense, emotional physical Kansas City. You start looking,
Speaker 2: go find me the great dynasties in warm weather. Years
Speaker 2: ago I talked to a guy about this. He said,
Speaker 2: be careful when you live in a port city like
Speaker 2: a Miami or New Orleans. The players you draft you
Speaker 2: get real silly, really finesse really quick. Guys want to
Speaker 2: go out, The girls are pretty, their restaurants everywhere, the
Speaker 2: outdoor scene. You go to the NFL, the one sport
Speaker 2: in our country that is physicality based as football, it
Speaker 2: is not a coincidence that. I mean, listen, I'm saying
Speaker 2: this with respect to Buffalo and Baltimore. They're ass kicking towns.
Speaker 2: Like people work hard, they shovel their snow for the players.
Speaker 2: If football is a physical game, I mean last two
Speaker 2: national champions, Ohio State and Michigan pushed people all over
Speaker 2: the field for years. The SEC Bam and George's offenses
Speaker 2: were hit and miss. Their defenses were intimidating and violent,
Speaker 2: and there is something to be said about the physical nature.
Speaker 2: I mean that we have now a Kansas City and
Speaker 2: a New England dynasty, two New England dynasties and a
Speaker 2: Kansas City dynasty. In the last twenty four years, and
Speaker 2: both are known as intense. Coaches practice hard play, hurt
Speaker 2: front office, and coaches control the environment. And I will
Speaker 2: say this again, I think Kansas City matches up with
Speaker 2: Philadelphia much much better than Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Do you totally agree. I think there's the one thing
Speaker 3: with Philadelphia is they can overwhelm you with talent. But
Speaker 3: I think you know most teams in Buffalo, you even
Speaker 3: felt early in this game, you just go, I don't
Speaker 3: think Buffalo's big enough on defense. They overachieve on defense.
Speaker 3: And I give McDermott like they are. They are guys
Speaker 3: flying around like DeMar Hamlin. Great story, kind of average
Speaker 3: player ideally or not. He's a backup, not starting him. Look,
Speaker 3: I mean one of their better players who's coming off
Speaker 3: a concussion protocol gets an immediate concussion. This is a
Speaker 3: game where you can feel like there might be some
Speaker 3: concussions in this game. And that's how the Eagles play too.
Speaker 3: Look at the Eagles. Their center has a bad back,
Speaker 3: can't play. They bump a guy over, he gets injured,
Speaker 3: and then he can't play and the other guy that's
Speaker 3: injured comes back. In the culture in these two organizations
Speaker 3: did you notice in Philly that when they won the game,
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Lurie's up on the thing with Terry Bradshaw going
Speaker 3: we got one more, we got one more. They're not
Speaker 3: like celebrating the moment. You could say and listen and
Speaker 3: it comes. And that always felt that through Howie, there's
Speaker 3: an intensity in that organization. You probably don't see that
Speaker 3: as much with the Kansas two Chiefs, but I mean,
Speaker 3: when the season starts, they got one goal, win the championship,
Speaker 3: nothing else matters. So I just think you have two teams.
Speaker 3: You know, the Eagles aren't a dynasty by any means,
Speaker 3: but this is their third super Bowl since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: This's our second three years. I mean, they with a
Speaker 3: lot of these same core players. They've added a couple
Speaker 3: of young guys, but if you look at their Super
Speaker 3: Bowl two years ago, the majority of the guys are
Speaker 3: on this team besides three or four guys. So I
Speaker 3: just think there's there's just such a physicality with these
Speaker 3: two teams, and that's where they overwhelm you. Now, the
Speaker 3: Eagles have this element of the running back and bust
Speaker 3: sixty seventy yard runs. The Chiefs don't, but they don't
Speaker 3: give up those type plays, So I think it'll be
Speaker 3: much harder for Sakuon. Yeah, it feels like he's had
Speaker 3: a sixty yard run in every other game he's played
Speaker 3: this season. I think that will be a little more difficult.
Speaker 3: But like their speed, the Chiefs aren't really a speed
Speaker 3: team anymore. So you get inside a dome a little
Speaker 3: faster track. That does benefit Philly, but in who, I
Speaker 3: just don't see who's betting against Andy Reid and the
Speaker 3: Chiefs at this moment. After witnessing what we just witnessed.
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Speaker 2: Eagles fifty five the Commander's twenty three. So I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: I think I bet the Eagle. This was my favorite
Speaker 2: bet the last two weeks have been the Eagles. I
Speaker 2: like the Eagles, I like the over, so I hit
Speaker 2: on that. And my take is, I think we just
Speaker 2: have to be Washington. Today was a better story than
Speaker 2: a team is that they were missing their best D lineman,
Speaker 2: their best O lineman, Jaden Daniels is a remarkable player.
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin, I mean, this kid, now what finally has help.
Speaker 2: But I couldn't help but watch that game and is
Speaker 2: the game war on? It felt like you were watching
Speaker 2: a major league team and a team like Washington just
Speaker 2: didn't have the players. And you know, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it would be one thing to say, hey, Washington had
Speaker 2: a great effort, but I thought they I mean, they
Speaker 2: had their fumbles, they had multiple turnovers. They reminded me
Speaker 2: a little of the Houston Texans. They just aren't quite
Speaker 2: there yet. They need another draft. They have a lot
Speaker 2: of cap space, they need about four free agents, three
Speaker 2: to four starters in the draft, and then that game's
Speaker 2: gonna look different. But I just felt you were I
Speaker 2: just felt physically, Philly is so big. I mean, AJ
Speaker 2: Brown is a tight end on Washington. They're so big,
Speaker 2: They're so physical. And Washington has two great players McLaurin
Speaker 2: and Jade Daniels, several good players, and two of their
Speaker 2: good players were out the old linement and paying the
Speaker 2: d linement.
Speaker 3: Well. I heard a stat that the turnover discrepancy of
Speaker 3: teams that had won in the playoffs and teams they
Speaker 3: had lost in the playoffs coming into this weekend was
Speaker 3: twenty one to three. So if you told me to
Speaker 3: start the game that Washington was gonna have a bunch
Speaker 3: of turnovers and fumbles and the Eagles were not, I
Speaker 3: would say they have no chance because it's pretty evident
Speaker 3: how good Jayden Daniels is, Like in texting people to Philly,
Speaker 3: they think he's like a thirty year old all pro.
Speaker 3: That's what they were preparing for. Those are the words
Speaker 3: coming out of Fangio. That's how they approached the game
Speaker 3: plan week But when I looked at the matchup, there
Speaker 3: might be under two players for Washington that start for
Speaker 3: Philadelphia two players Terry McLaurin and I'm not counting Jayden
Speaker 3: and Daniels. So you just the talent discrepancy, like the Bills.
Speaker 3: Chiefs got more players that would start for the Bills,
Speaker 3: but the Bills still have a lot of high level guys. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it might be forty five, fifty five or forty sixty.
Speaker 3: We're talking like ninety five to five that in that game.
Speaker 3: And as that game went and they started fumbling, it's
Speaker 3: just like you you can't do this on the road.
Speaker 3: So like Honestly, I think they're two years away from
Speaker 3: being even remotely close to a team like Philly, And honestly,
Speaker 3: like when the Lions are healthy and some of these
Speaker 3: other teams, I mean, they have such a head start.
Speaker 3: This was just to make the playoffs and be a
Speaker 3: one and done would have been the most incredible story
Speaker 3: we've ever seen. I think it's crazy. And the game
Speaker 3: really got away from Washington toward the end of the
Speaker 3: third early in the fourth quarter. I think Jayden Daniels
Speaker 3: a remarkable player. I think he's one of the best
Speaker 3: players I've ever seen, given the circumstances of the team
Speaker 3: he's playing with and his.
Speaker 2: Remember remember when Andrew Luck got the Colts to the
Speaker 2: AFC Championship, I think against New England and they got
Speaker 2: the shit kicked out of the ball, and you were like,
Speaker 2: this is That's what I felt like. I like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this quarter Now I think it was in
Speaker 2: Luck's third fourth.
Speaker 3: It wasn't third because because he went to the playoffs
Speaker 3: his first three years and he got farther each year.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it was so I felt the same way.
Speaker 2: I'm like, boy, this young quarterback is really good, but
Speaker 2: this roster has no business being in the AFC Championship Washington.
Speaker 2: Washington's roster is not as good. It's not as good
Speaker 2: as Green Bays, it's not as good as the Rams.
Speaker 2: It's not as good overall as the Sea Hawks, the Lions,
Speaker 2: so Minnesota. So it's a great story. You know, I
Speaker 2: wrote down a lot of different things during this game,
Speaker 2: and you know it's it's weird when it comes to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, I feel like he's faster than Walter Peyton
Speaker 2: and maybe not as strong as Peyton. He's definitely not
Speaker 2: as clever or shifty as Barry Sanders, but he's clever
Speaker 2: and shifty. But he really is. He really is an
Speaker 2: ald timer. I mean, first of all, you get you
Speaker 2: get high end speed, you get it quickly. Because of
Speaker 2: his size. You know, he's got that sort of a
Speaker 2: shorter size, so he's hard to see behind the Eagles
Speaker 2: O line. So he kind of bursts out of the
Speaker 2: cloud or the fog. He can run you over, he
Speaker 2: can make you miss. I always think whenever you see
Speaker 2: a great player, I remember this. I remember this.
Speaker 3: In golf.
Speaker 2: You can see a guy like Brooks cap You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just bigger and stronger than people, or Tiger in
Speaker 2: his prime. But a lot of times you'll watch a
Speaker 2: pro athlete like Larry Fitzgerald and you're like, he's fast,
Speaker 2: but he's he's not that fast. I mean he's big,
Speaker 2: but he's not is he that big? And then you're
Speaker 2: just like, Larry Fitzgerald is always open and hung onto everything.
Speaker 2: And you just watch certain athletes and you're like, man,
Speaker 2: they make it look so it has to be a
Speaker 2: combination of like intelligence, instinct, workout, work ethic. It's a combination.
Speaker 2: Sequon is one of those guys where when you watch him,
Speaker 2: it just it looks easy, like he just makes great
Speaker 2: players look so bad with one step. That and that
Speaker 2: to me has always been the difference between very good
Speaker 2: and great to like, oh that's all time stuff. Is
Speaker 2: that Like Reggie White would just bat good offensive lineman
Speaker 2: out of the way, like literally with his off arm
Speaker 2: would bat them away, And you're like, Okay, that's just
Speaker 2: different than everybody else. I Saquon to me is the
Speaker 2: top five to six running back I've ever seen in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think a lot of positions if
Speaker 3: you're drafted like he was, and it's polarizing when you
Speaker 3: take a running back number two overall because so much
Speaker 3: out of your control. His old line sucked. They had
Speaker 3: never had a passing game. So if you have no
Speaker 3: passing game and you have no offensive line, you could
Speaker 3: be Barry Sanders. With Walter Bayton, it's going to be
Speaker 3: a struggle. I grew up on Barry Sanders. They had
Speaker 3: Herman More, they had an explosive passing game. Yeah, obviously
Speaker 3: he was a special player. But I wrote down three
Speaker 3: guys because I think there's a chance, if he stays healthy,
Speaker 3: he could have this second kind of lease on life
Speaker 3: in the NFL and become like a Hall of Fame guy. Now,
Speaker 3: Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, and Marshall Falk were all guys
Speaker 3: that like after their third or fourth year, Curtis Martin
Speaker 3: went to the Jets, Bettis went to the Steelers, and
Speaker 3: Marshall Falk went to the Rams. Curtis Martin was really
Speaker 3: good on the Patriots, and Marshall Falk was really good
Speaker 3: on the ramps right, and Jerome Bettis was solid. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't put Jerome Bettis quite on those two guys level,
Speaker 3: but like Saquon, I would say most people described his
Speaker 3: careers like, eh, that was kind of underwhelming. It just
Speaker 3: wasn't going well. It wasn't his fault. Yeah, because you're
Speaker 3: watching him on this team. How about the way that
Speaker 3: game opened. They went like twenty five plays Washington on
Speaker 3: that first drive, they got like seventeen fourth downs and
Speaker 3: they ended up kicking a field goal. And I saw
Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz tweet this out. He's like, God that it
Speaker 3: reminds me a lot of Notre Dame. If that's what
Speaker 3: you have to do to start a game and only
Speaker 3: get three points, it's gonna be a long game. The
Speaker 3: Eagles go one play, he does like a three sixty
Speaker 3: bounces off another guy cuts it back for sixty five
Speaker 3: seventy yards. You're like, uh, this does not feel It
Speaker 3: was insane that at one point in time this game
Speaker 3: was fourteen to twelve, because after that drive and then
Speaker 3: another early drive, you're like, this thing could get out
Speaker 3: of hand, and Washington, and this where Dan deserves credit,
Speaker 3: Jayden deserves credit, kept it kind of. I mean twenty
Speaker 3: seven to fifteen at half time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it probably.
Speaker 3: Should have been like forty to seven at half time,
Speaker 3: but Washington fought and then the wheels came off. But
Speaker 3: when you have and this is where when Jalen's healthy
Speaker 3: and they have a running threat with the quarterback and
Speaker 3: the running back, what are you really gonna do? I mean, Colin,
Speaker 3: they ran for seven touchdowns today, ran for seven touchdowns
Speaker 3: and the two of them combined. I mean, what's take one?
Speaker 3: Ad he had two and Jalen had three. I mean,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do? Eagles will never lose a
Speaker 3: game if they're getting that type of production in the
Speaker 3: running game.
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Speaker 2: Kansas City is favored by one and a half points.
Speaker 2: That would have been close to my guests, like, I
Speaker 2: like Kansas City. I like Kansas City in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I think they match up really well with Philadelphia. And again,
Speaker 2: you know it's here's the thing. We have our questions
Speaker 2: about Nick Sirianni, but we love the roster. What do
Speaker 2: we do with Sean McDermott, What do we do with them?
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't tell me when you watch the
Speaker 2: first drives of the game today. One team looked prepared,
Speaker 2: one looked aimless. You can't tell me. In these these
Speaker 2: fourth down, high leverage situations, you thought McDermott was the
Speaker 2: better coach than Andy Reid. If you're Buffalo. As we
Speaker 2: move back to that game, what do you do with McDermott.
Speaker 2: He's clear, he's like Mike McCarthy, but a defensive version.
Speaker 2: You know he's capable, you know he's above average, he's
Speaker 2: B plus. But when you watch that game today, if
Speaker 2: you just think about fourth downs, high leverage moments, situational football,
Speaker 2: opening drive, it was Kansas City, Kansas City Kansas City Again.
Speaker 2: I think Buffalo had two three huge plays in the game,
Speaker 2: but I mean Kansas City had about eleven different players
Speaker 2: touching it in big spots. I don't what do you
Speaker 2: do with McDermott, be cause Sirianni getting to a Super
Speaker 2: Bowl survives. McDermott survives, I'm sure as well. But nobody
Speaker 2: this morning. Once the emotions come back down. What once
Speaker 2: the emotions flatten out in Buffalo, it feels like you
Speaker 2: got kind of out coached again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you just go to church
Speaker 3: and pray someone else takes out the Chiefs in a
Speaker 3: playoffs so you don't have to play them, because I
Speaker 3: think you could beat anybody else. I think, who else
Speaker 3: are you going to hire? You know, you're the only
Speaker 3: team that plays him close in the AFC. It was
Speaker 3: seventeen to ten last year in the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 3: But that game wasn't close. You know. The Bills, I
Speaker 3: hear you. I mean they they feel like they should
Speaker 3: win these games. But look at Sirianni. He has two
Speaker 3: coordinators that may combine eight nine million dollars. He has
Speaker 3: the best. He has like the theo Epstein of GMS,
Speaker 3: who just load his roster. I watched the Bills team,
Speaker 3: I don't even see that much talent on the field beside,
Speaker 3: you know, relative to some of the other two teams. Hell,
Speaker 3: I didn't even think they were a talent as the
Speaker 3: Ravens last week? Did you actually very impressed? A lot
Speaker 3: of people thought had the Jets were the betting favorite
Speaker 3: to win the East a week before the season started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Bills were. I mean, I love I
Speaker 2: think he's I think he's.
Speaker 3: Pretty damn good, you know. So it was his fault
Speaker 3: that Joe Brady on that. On the last drive, the
Speaker 3: first play of the last drive, with whatever, three minutes
Speaker 3: to go, Joe Brady calls a toss play and it
Speaker 3: gets stuffed for like a minus a couple of yards.
Speaker 3: Like what do you guys? Put it to job his hand?
Speaker 3: Why you run the ball with three minutes down a
Speaker 3: field goal? But they get you know, so, you know,
Speaker 3: when you're a defensive head coach, you are a little
Speaker 3: beholden to your coordinator. Now, I think the old school
Speaker 3: Sean was yelling on the headset, run the ball, do
Speaker 3: this they're going for constantly on fourth down. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's much closer to Dan Quinn or Dan Campbell. Is
Speaker 3: he not as in terms of aggression on these fourth
Speaker 3: and shorts which three four years ago before they had
Speaker 3: the scars they do now. I don't think he's doing that,
Speaker 3: like he's on the aggressive side now as they give
Speaker 3: the thumbs up to his offense. Is he not?
Speaker 2: No? I think I think Sean is, and I think
Speaker 2: he's more than capable. I really feel he's Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: And I said I would have hired Mike McCarthy for
Speaker 2: three jobs. McDermott would be out of work for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like you get you know, it
Speaker 2: reminds me what.
Speaker 3: Are your options right now? That's the other thing.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like Doug Collins with MJ. MJ loved Doug
Speaker 2: Collins because his answer was always just give MJ the
Speaker 2: ball and let him score. And then they went to
Speaker 2: Philip Jackson and phil Jackson said, no, we're not going
Speaker 2: to do that. You have to trust your teammates. And
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a little Sean McDermott. Sean McDermott
Speaker 2: is a little Doug Collins where it's like you just
Speaker 2: let Josh Josh is the guy and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: The truth of the matter is the tush push doesn't
Speaker 2: work with a six seven quarterback. It's not going to
Speaker 2: work against Kansas City's D line. It's just not gonna work.
Speaker 2: And when it does, he can get hurt, he can fumble.
Speaker 2: I mean, by the way he almost lateraled last week.
Speaker 2: If you recall, remember against the Ravens, Josh wanted to
Speaker 2: lateral once. He did it again in this game where
Speaker 2: where he's he's getting rambunctious, he's getting worked up, he's
Speaker 2: trying to make a play. It's like, God, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I feel bad for Buffalo fans. I thought
Speaker 2: this was the year. But you know, it's sometimes it's
Speaker 2: just as simple as why would you bet against Malmes.
Speaker 2: I didn't bet against Kansas City because I didn't think
Speaker 2: they were capable, But I thought Buffalo, this was the
Speaker 2: best version of Buffalo. And then in the second half
Speaker 2: they clammed up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Well, let's look at Andy Reid on a fourth and
Speaker 3: one early in that game. They had Mahonemes basically scrambled
Speaker 3: to the right, and Mahomes isn't as fast as Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: How often in huge games this year, did they know
Speaker 3: Jayden's closer to You know, Josh Allen used Jayden to
Speaker 3: get on the edges. They know you're running it up
Speaker 3: the middle. If Jim Nance knows that, So Spags and
Speaker 3: Andy kind of wink wink told him over a sandwich
Speaker 3: in the conference room after a player too, you should
Speaker 3: realize this isn't going to work and pivot. So if
Speaker 3: anyone wants to be critical on the tush push plays
Speaker 3: that they worked last week, they were not working this week.
Speaker 2: Pivot.
Speaker 3: You have one of the greatest athletes pound for it.
Speaker 3: You have like the modern you have this generation's version
Speaker 3: of Cam Newton. So get him on the He's fast enough,
Speaker 3: he's been doing his whole career to get on the
Speaker 3: edges of the tackle. But they just they were obsessed
Speaker 3: with running it and his move and they knew it
Speaker 3: was just to go right over the left guard and
Speaker 3: they clearly emphasized pinching that area and he goes high.
Speaker 3: So it's like the Washington thing. It sucks to lose, right,
Speaker 3: they got there, But how what an incredible accomplishment for
Speaker 3: the organization. Think about Josh Harris's owned the Sixers for
Speaker 3: almost fifteen years. They've never made it to a conference championship.
Speaker 3: He's owned this team one year and they're in the
Speaker 3: conference championship for the first time since nineteen ninety one
Speaker 3: with a team that I mean, they don't even have
Speaker 3: a top just guy for guy fifteen roster in the NFL.
Speaker 3: You know, they have a special quarterback and a good coach.
Speaker 3: But I think when you look at the Bills, you know,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people did think the Bills
Speaker 3: were going to step back this year. Now. I thought
Speaker 3: they were gonna make the playoffs. I didn't know how
Speaker 3: good they were going to be. They were right there
Speaker 3: total toe. I mean, they were up twenty two to
Speaker 3: twenty one in the fourth quarter against the Chiefs. I
Speaker 3: think that's where it hurts. You have now had the
Speaker 3: Chiefs in Kansas City on the ropes multiple times and
Speaker 3: you can't get it done. But I think this goes
Speaker 3: back to the Michael Jordan thing. That was true with
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. People had him on the ropes. People had
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods on the ropes and they just couldn't close.
Speaker 3: At least, if you are going to have this version
Speaker 3: of anyone on the ropes, it's these guys. No one
Speaker 3: can beat them if they win the Super Bowl, if
Speaker 3: they win three straight, I mean, we've never seen that.
Speaker 3: When we're never seeing that again, all these guys could
Speaker 3: just retire because I mean, who's ever matching that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the again, you know, Buffalo is gonna blame the officials.
Speaker 2: We got a first down. It's like once, once the
Speaker 2: emotion dies down, you're going to look back at all
Speaker 2: the two point conversions missed and the tush pushes and
Speaker 2: you're opening drive and you couldn't you couldn't make stops
Speaker 2: Kansas City on their last drive. And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I think, listen, we got one football game left, Kansas
Speaker 2: City favored by a point and a half over Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: and I like Kansas City high scoring, getting There'll be
Speaker 2: some points, but again, I will take the best quarterback
Speaker 2: probably ever, and the best coach in my opinion, probably
Speaker 2: ever in a big game with two weeks to prepare.
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Speaker 2: this ten minutes so it has to be the most
Speaker 2: embarrassing moment. The Eagles have now been to eight NFC
Speaker 2: championships in four Super Bowls since the Cowboys have been
Speaker 2: to one conference championship, so Philadelphia is separated as franchise.
Speaker 2: But the Cowboys announced Brian Schottenheimer as the head coach
Speaker 2: on a Friday night news dump, late late, late Friday night.
Speaker 2: Now it makes me believe that either Jerry Jones was
Speaker 2: caught completely flat footed by Mike McCarthy choosing to leave,
Speaker 2: or it's some sort of plan to get the number
Speaker 2: one pick next year, because Schottenheimer is a nice guy,
Speaker 2: but he is a bounce around the league, never really
Speaker 2: like getting opportunities at the highest level. Jag Seattle can't
Speaker 2: really maintain jobs. I said this the other day. Their
Speaker 2: lack of urgency on Dak's contract crushed them, and their
Speaker 2: lack of urgency on hiring a coach. It's hard to explain.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear. You know Jerry Well, the
Speaker 3: news dumps very telling, right. Jerry runs his franchise for
Speaker 3: the last definitely the last fifteen twenty years like a
Speaker 3: television show. He literally was just on one of the more
Speaker 3: popular ones in the country. You can't tell me. I mean,
Speaker 3: if Jerry liked the hire, he would have put this
Speaker 3: thing out in the middle of the night on Sunday
Speaker 3: or first thing Monday morning, so everyone talked about him
Speaker 3: all week Friday night ten o'clock, not Friday night ten
Speaker 3: o'clock Eastern. I mean this was late after the country
Speaker 3: might have been asleep. I think he thought, listen, they
Speaker 3: knew coming into the season that Mike McCarthy was on,
Speaker 3: his contract was ending, so we all knew that. We
Speaker 3: assumed Mike McCarthy was fired. And then Black Monday came
Speaker 3: and Mike was not fired. We're like, well, clearly and
Speaker 3: people have been talking, maybe they're just going to keep them.
Speaker 3: Jerry thought it could just give him some fake two
Speaker 3: year contract, like Mike, where the hell are you gonna go?
Speaker 3: And pretty clear Mike might have misplaced his hand a
Speaker 3: little too, because I think he thought he could get
Speaker 3: the Bears job. Yeah, but I think Mike realized kind
Speaker 3: of maybe halfway or toward the end of that week,
Speaker 3: as he wanted Jason Witten on his staff, Jerry was
Speaker 3: just gonna kind of bend him over, like, hey, Jerry,
Speaker 3: I've made a lot of money in the last fifteen years, buddy,
Speaker 3: I don't need you, and I'm not just going to
Speaker 3: acquiesce to everything you want and basically told him to
Speaker 3: kick Rocks. And I think Jerry thought the whole time
Speaker 3: he could essentially give him like a two year contract.
Speaker 3: You know, think about this, Jerry just hired Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 3: Jerry's kind of cheap, Like that's one thing that's pretty
Speaker 3: telling Jerry's not these Ben Johnson, Mike Rabel making twelve thirteen, fourteen.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy was making seven million dollars right now. Granted
Speaker 3: he was hired five years ago, but he was on
Speaker 3: a seven year million dollars. That's one of the lower
Speaker 3: paid coaches in the league. Would you guess Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 3: is making more than seven million dollars. There's a decent
Speaker 3: chance that Brian Schottenheimer's the lowest paid coach in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I think he is.
Speaker 3: We know what Ben Johnson makes, we know Pete Carroll
Speaker 3: ain't make it seven, and we know Bileam Cohen just
Speaker 3: got twelve or thirteen million dollars. So Jerry's a little cheap.
Speaker 3: He misplayed his hand. And you'd been saying this, and
Speaker 3: I've always defended Jerry a little bit. He is really
Speaker 3: in his Al Davis phase now, like they are. That
Speaker 3: was sometimes you fire a coach whatever it's time, but
Speaker 3: go through that week and then eventually break up with
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy and end up a week later with Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 3: And once upon a time Brian Schottenheim, remember when he
Speaker 3: was Rex Ryan's OC and they were with Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 3: He was like thirty seven, thirty eight years old. He
Speaker 3: was viewed as a head coach. That was fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3: Was the last time Brian Schottenheimer had a head coaching interview?
Speaker 3: Has he had one in a decade? Now? That's not
Speaker 3: the end all be all, But why would you fire
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy, who has accomplished suff and then hire his
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator who's not some valued candidate. It doesn't make
Speaker 3: any sense.
Speaker 2: He didn't even call plays. Yeah, McCarthy, you know it's
Speaker 2: not It's not below Jerry to actually make calls dissuading
Speaker 2: people from hiring Mike McCarthy because Mike McCarthy suddenly was
Speaker 2: a hot candidate. Now he's not even getting interviewed, and
Speaker 2: he's clearly the best candidate on the market. I mean,
Speaker 2: the Saints, what are the Saints going to do? He'd
Speaker 2: obviously the best candidate is I think, you know, and
Speaker 2: I've said this, if Lebron didn't go to the Lakers,
Speaker 2: the Lakers are the Cowboys. They're just certain them. I mean,
Speaker 2: Lebron is literally saved the franchise. They were Kobe's last
Speaker 2: five years. I think they're the worst win lost percentage
Speaker 2: in the league. It could be wrong, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was really bad. So it's just, you know, it's
Speaker 2: just one of those things where it's not a coincidence
Speaker 2: when people like Andy Reid are successful all the time.
Speaker 2: It's not a coincidence when certain gms have good draft
Speaker 2: classes over and over and over. And I think the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys the last couple of draft classes have been
Speaker 2: a weak. I mean they've missed on their their first
Speaker 2: I mean they hit on Ceedee Lamb and Micah, but
Speaker 2: their last two first round picks have been weak. They
Speaker 2: work by Dak Prescott again, They're just they have really
Speaker 2: fallen to me, John and I don't take any pleasure
Speaker 2: in saying this. They've become a little like Cleveland. They're
Speaker 2: a little like the Jets. They're not as chaotic, but
Speaker 2: they're they're really a second tier franchise. Like they're they're
Speaker 2: they're not even they're there are not remotely close to
Speaker 2: a top five NFC roster. Forget AFC, they're not. They're
Speaker 2: they could they could be the eighth, the ninth best
Speaker 2: roster in the NFC.
Speaker 3: Now, well, think about this, you just hit on they
Speaker 3: haven't been in the Conference Championship game since what ninety six?
Speaker 3: The Eagles just since that foal So Foles and then
Speaker 3: the last two Jalen have not only been to three,
Speaker 3: they won them. I mean the last two they played
Speaker 3: Minnesota with Foles, they blew them out. Jalen against the
Speaker 3: Niners they knocked out Purty, blew them out, and tonight
Speaker 3: they scored fifty five points. So they've been to three
Speaker 3: super Bowls in the last what eight years? Seven years?
Speaker 3: So you are in a different stratosphere than them. And
Speaker 3: then Washing sells the team. They get a real coach,
Speaker 3: a superstar quarterback, and a real GM and they're gonna
Speaker 3: start lapping you. If I'm a cowboy fan, thank god
Speaker 3: the Giants have their own issues or we would. It's
Speaker 3: that Friday night for a guy that knows just I mean,
Speaker 3: one thing he's great about is getting people to talk
Speaker 3: about his team. I mean, it's why he talks twice
Speaker 3: a week. No other owner says a peep column. None
Speaker 3: of them talk at all. It's not like they don't
Speaker 3: have Biggie. They realize, what's the point. Why am I
Speaker 3: going to say a word? Most gms? You notice how
Speaker 3: many gms come on your television show throughout the year,
Speaker 3: sparingly here and there. But they let the coach and
Speaker 3: the players talk during the season, right, it's not their time.
Speaker 3: Jerry talks twice a week, sometimes three times. And I
Speaker 3: don't blame anyone from talking to him because he gives
Speaker 3: you incredible quotes. But that's not a healthy way to operate.
Speaker 3: It's just not And I thought that it was overblown
Speaker 3: a little bit when remember when the story came out,
Speaker 3: Dak said, they have fans walking around the facility, but
Speaker 3: once you start losing, you start going. Well, where Jerry's
Speaker 3: priorities right now? It's like, does he just want to
Speaker 3: save some money here with Brian Schottenheim or did he
Speaker 3: get into a situation that he never thought he'd be
Speaker 3: in and then didn't know who to talk to. Of course,
Speaker 3: Dion wasn't that interested. He's Dean, doesn't answer to anyone
Speaker 3: in Colorado. Jerry tell him everything to do. That's the
Speaker 3: other thing. You go work with the Cowboys, like you
Speaker 3: listen Woody Johnson, theseuys bug you with dumb ideas. Jerry's
Speaker 3: literally telling you like who to play when to play him,
Speaker 3: you know, like football, Like he thinks he's al Davis
Speaker 3: lost his mind. But at one point in time, al
Speaker 3: Davis really new football? Like does Jerry really know? Like
Speaker 3: is Jerry watching tape? Give me no chance. I don't
Speaker 3: even blame him, But I also wouldn't be an owner
Speaker 3: if I'm not watching tape telling you what to do.
Speaker 2: Well, the Kansas City Chiefs have won seventeen straight one
Speaker 2: possession games NFL record. They will be favored over Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: You think he wins this game, Andy, I guess he
Speaker 3: just immediately on the Lombard Pardi Walsh Belichick.
Speaker 2: You know what, John, I think I've told you this before. John,
Speaker 2: if the NFL had addressed CCE ten years earlier and
Speaker 2: change the rules ten years earlier, Belichick would have two
Speaker 2: fewer Super Bowls. Andy would have one or two more,
Speaker 2: and potentially and we would be viewing we would be
Speaker 2: viewing Andy Reid as the best coach of all time.
Speaker 2: I mean, here's some things. Andy's one of those guys
Speaker 2: that has aged well. And I really consider this a thing.
Speaker 2: How do you age Belichick has not aged well? You know,
Speaker 2: kind of grumpy, domineering coach. Mike Dickett in age well.
Speaker 2: Bobby Knight didn't age well. Tony Larusa didn't age well.
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's not aging particularly well. Kind of this my way,
Speaker 2: domineering rigidity. Who tends to age well? Are people that
Speaker 2: are willing to elevate others, be others, mentors give as well.
Speaker 2: Let's get Andy Reid ages really well. Bill Walsh, by
Speaker 2: the way, you know, on his coaching tree, and I
Speaker 2: think there are certain coaches out there that are givers
Speaker 2: and mentors. And I think I think Andy's ability to
Speaker 2: win with multiple quarterbacks is something Belichick could never do.
Speaker 2: And Belichick did in age well. Like there's two eras
Speaker 2: of football. Andy won in both. Bill dominated one and
Speaker 2: got fire in the other. And so I look at
Speaker 2: Andy Reid as he didn't have the early success, but
Speaker 2: he didn't have Tom Brady. He was dealing with Michael Vick,
Speaker 2: and he was dealing with Donovan McNabb and you know,
Speaker 2: he was dealing with B and C quarterbacks. Bill couldn't
Speaker 2: win with anybody. He had one year with Matt Castle, like,
Speaker 2: he just struggled with everybody. So and when Bill made
Speaker 2: that move to make Matt Patricia an offensive coordinator, it
Speaker 2: was like whoa, whoa, He's really toned after what's happened
Speaker 2: on the league League. Yeah, I was just like, wow, Bill,
Speaker 2: You've It's like it's like the stories you hear about
Speaker 2: Tony LaRussa with the White Sox. It's like just it's
Speaker 2: the game's passed him or Bill or Bobby Night at
Speaker 2: the end, you know it just the game had passed
Speaker 2: him by the one and done culture. Bobby couldn't put
Speaker 2: his arms around it. You know, Rest in peace for Bobby.
Speaker 2: But I think Andy's the best go back if you're
Speaker 2: a Bill's fan when this game's on the NFL network,
Speaker 2: and watch the first drive of Buffalo and watch the
Speaker 2: first drive of Kansas City. It was a coaching mismatch.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Buffalo was trying to do is
Speaker 2: if they did not practice. Kansas City is like attacking
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. And then on the final drive,
Speaker 2: look at what Spags reduced Buffalo to. You saw great
Speaker 2: offensive coaching to start it, brilliant defensive coaching to end it.
Speaker 2: And that's the difference. That to me, was the difference
Speaker 2: in the guy. I thought it was a real for
Speaker 2: Kansas City's coaching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reiterate everything you said. Just it's crazy. I
Speaker 3: can't I just Buffalo had that lead. I think anytime.
Speaker 3: This is the second time now they've had them on
Speaker 3: the road with a lead in the fourth quarter. I know.
Speaker 3: Listen and I know a lot of forty nine er
Speaker 3: people in my life. The forty nine ers have had
Speaker 3: the lead twice on Andy Reid's That's part of this
Speaker 3: era too. They are coming back in all their games.
Speaker 3: They are down in the second half. They are not
Speaker 3: blowing every very Patriot like that way. Like a lot
Speaker 3: of the Patriot games were back and forth and time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they won with situational football.
Speaker 2: Big changes today.
Speaker 3: So it's like to be down twenty two to twenty
Speaker 3: one and then all of a sudden, five minutes later
Speaker 3: they have a seven point lead and you're like, eh,
Speaker 3: they're winning this thing. What happened that one?
Speaker 2: Listen, you and I I remember I lived in Connecticut.
Speaker 2: I heard the same stuff. It's the officials, they get breaks.
Speaker 2: My take was always a balls the coaching sport be
Speaker 2: Mahomes and Brady in these big spots. There's so much
Speaker 2: about football, John, you and I and the fans don't
Speaker 2: see at the line of scrimmage, and these just circumstantial moments.
Speaker 2: Brady and Mahomes are the two best I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Manning's up there, but they're just better than everybody else
Speaker 2: in those Why.
Speaker 3: They don't throw picks and they don't fumble in these
Speaker 3: big moments. When's the last time the Chiefs turned the
Speaker 3: ball over? It feels like it's been years.
Speaker 2: Well, they had Yeah, they had one fumble today near
Speaker 2: the defensive line. I remember, and by the way, Mahomes
Speaker 2: had it and Ed Oliver stole it from him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good points. Mahmes fumbled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Buffalo again. Sho reiterate Buffalo either fumbled four or
Speaker 2: five times, recovered all of them.
Speaker 3: That's unheard of.
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