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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We had two

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Speaker 2: huge natural occurrences this week that relate to some of

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Speaker 2: our news stories, so we're going to talk about that first. First,

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Speaker 2: we had a four point eight earthquake in our area.

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Speaker 2: So I know everybody in California is probably like, get

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Speaker 2: over it. We have these all the time, but for us,

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Speaker 2: it was quite literally shook me. But we was upstairs.

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Speaker 3: We were doing like some pictures for the website, and

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Speaker 3: that was upstairs in one of the girls room doing

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Speaker 3: my makeup, and I saw a truck drive by out

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Speaker 3: at the window and then the house was shaking, but

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Speaker 3: then it wouldn't stop shaking, and being on the second floor,

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Speaker 3: it felt worse than it probably we actually was.

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Speaker 2: And then you.

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Speaker 3: Started screaming up at me, it's just an earthquake, and yeah.

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Speaker 2: And Gabe was upstairs. Then I knew because Gabe was

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Speaker 2: upstairs and stuff fell off of his shelf, so that

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Speaker 2: was obvious, and he's, you know, he's on the task force.

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Speaker 2: So he started his phone started blowing up with like

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Speaker 2: I felt it in North Jersey, I fought it here.

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Speaker 2: I felt it here and we're like, okay, confirmed. But

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Speaker 2: it was fun and I know that people in California

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Speaker 2: think were little bitches, but it was exciting and the kids,

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Speaker 2: the kids were at school, and of course I didn't

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Speaker 2: they were all really excited about it. So you want

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Speaker 2: to get into the story. So this happened in Philly, right,

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Speaker 2: and you don't think about all the things that are

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Speaker 2: happening when something like this happens. No, So a guy in.

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Speaker 3: Our area was mid visectomy when the earthquake hit. But

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Speaker 3: you know when it happened, the doctor stopped, They waited

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Speaker 3: a couple of seconds, and then when they knew it

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Speaker 3: was over, they just picked right back up where they

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Speaker 2: So so it's really funny because so when you get

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Speaker 2: a ves sectomy, it's a procedure that's done for sterilization.

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Speaker 2: Most people know that because they've had somebody that they

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Speaker 2: love or they've had it done themselves, so it's a

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Speaker 2: really familiar procedure. But it's I don't know if everybody

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Speaker 2: knows what goes on during that surgery. So I'll let

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Speaker 2: you know what happens is you have your testicle. And

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Speaker 2: while some of you have your testicles, the testicles are

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Speaker 2: where the sperm live, and there is a tube that

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Speaker 2: goes from the testicle up into the prostate land called

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Speaker 2: the vest deference, and that is kind of the transportation

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Speaker 2: system for the sperm to leave the testicle and get

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Speaker 2: to the penis. And what happens is once it gets

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Speaker 2: to the prostate gland, the prostate makes the portion of

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Speaker 2: the semen that's the liquid portion. It mixes together and

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Speaker 2: then it shoots out as ejaculation out of the penis. Well,

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Speaker 2: when you get a vasectomy done, they cut off that

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Speaker 2: transportation system in the vast deference, which is why it's

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Speaker 2: called a vas sectomy, so the sperm are no longer

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Speaker 2: able to meet with the liquid portion of the semen.

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Speaker 2: And what happened during that is they put a little

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Speaker 2: tiny incision in the scrotum to access the vast s eferens.

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Speaker 2: So you're thinking about a surgeon that's got maybe a

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Speaker 2: scalpel blade very close to your manhood, and then there's

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Speaker 2: an earthquake. So of course this guy I love that

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Speaker 2: him and his wife kind of made a joke about it,

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Speaker 2: close to your penis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean his wife was like, if there was

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Speaker 3: ever a sign that we shouldn't have another child, this

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Speaker 3: bit of humor out of it. I never thought about

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Speaker 3: that too, because you know, we think of most natural

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Speaker 3: something like that, we have kind of warning and know

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Speaker 3: surgeries would be rescheduled right, not to risk the patient

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Speaker 3: being in a situation like this. But earthquakes aren't as

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Speaker 3: easy to detect. So I wonder what happens in California

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Speaker 3: where they experience the so frequently and they're a huge

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or who cares about that? Think about like like

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Speaker 2: and it's it's nuts. So then so that happened, right,

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Speaker 2: as soon as like the big part of the show

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Speaker 2: So that was that was pretty cool though. We just

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Speaker 2: But a woman, So I knew there was gonna be

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Speaker 2: stories rolling in after this, of course, just because there

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Speaker 2: do you want to tell them about this story?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? This first story was this mother, father and their daughter.

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Speaker 3: They were traveling to see the clips in upstate New

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Speaker 3: York and the family I just bought an airstream trailer,

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Speaker 3: which is like kind of our dream to have, you know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody's seen them, but they're like

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Speaker 3: the retro aluminum trailers. Some of them are big, full

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Speaker 2: So they had about twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: Who's getting married later this year. That's absolutely horrific to

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Speaker 3: lose your mother witness her death. They were trying to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's terrible, and it was. It was a

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Speaker 2: when you're pulling something like that, it's it's not flat

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Speaker 2: It just sounds so terrible. Yet and she was brought

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Speaker 3: From her And how do you communicate with the driver

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Speaker 3: I was thinking that too, But how do ye like

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Speaker 3: he probably had no idea.

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Speaker 2: I mean, unless you look in your rear view murrancy,

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Speaker 2: which is even more terrible. But maybe people were honking

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's really crazy. But we have we

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Speaker 2: have a couple lighter stories that are involving the eclipse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so first one, I was thinking about stories

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Speaker 3: coming out from the eclipse. We think about vision, right,

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Speaker 3: because you know, we had the solar eclipse glasses. But

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Speaker 3: So a library near us actually was handing out solar

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Speaker 3: eclipse classes that right before the event, they issued on

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Speaker 3: social media that they were potentially counterfeit and to check them.

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Speaker 3: So somebody in our area did check them and said

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Speaker 3: only imagine a lot of people might not have seen

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's debatable. But yeah, that's why I bought my

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Speaker 2: have for them because they were something from space dot com,

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Speaker 2: like they were for a NASA approved thing. But you

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Speaker 3: What it happens to your eyes that like if you

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Speaker 2: it's nothing that you would know happened right away. It

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Speaker 2: it then, but it's nothing you would even know happened.

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Speaker 2: And that's why you know, when you're cooking and you

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Speaker 2: That because it's dangerous, right, But that doesn't happen with

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Speaker 2: your eyes, and that's why it was so scary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I mean, I don't know. I feel like

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Speaker 3: even though we had whatever NASA proved glasses you had,

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Speaker 3: there's still some fear right about is this gonna protect me?

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Speaker 2: Well, when I go to the eye doctor, I'll I

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Speaker 2: just had like one of those crazy tests on maybe

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Speaker 2: six months ago for the medication I'm on, so I'll

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Speaker 2: definitely be able to tell if there was I mean,

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Speaker 2: I guess it could have been from the medication too,

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Speaker 2: but I'll be able to tell if there was a

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Speaker 2: change for sure. But like, let's talk about this. This

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Speaker 2: next story is like not really medical, although it involves

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Speaker 3: Well, on a lighter note, a Mexican TV outlet is

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Speaker 3: But I do want to say that I did read

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Speaker 3: in this article that this specific hot air balloon that

435
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Speaker 3: had the accident was only designed to take carry a

436
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Speaker 3: pilot and up to seven passengers, So I don't know

437
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Speaker 3: why there was thirteen on there, and I think that

438
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 3: really should be looked into. But regardless, this guy was

439
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent not on ketamine, just trying to get high,

440
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Speaker 3: and the medical examiner's report was affected, and his name

441
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Speaker 3: should at least be cleared that he wasn't fucked up

442
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Speaker 3: which caused the crash.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, all right, This this story is like

444
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Speaker 2: New Fear unlocked. Never thought about this until I read

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Speaker 2: this story.

446
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Speaker 3: A seventy six year old man in Canada went to

447
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Speaker 3: his bathroom and found a rat in the toilet. He

448
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Speaker 3: tried removing the rat, but was bitten on two of

449
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Speaker 3: his fingers. So initially he visited the er, which I

450
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Speaker 3: want to say was the right call, and they gave

451
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Speaker 3: him a tetanus shot for the bites. But after a

452
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks went by, he started developing fever, headache,

453
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Speaker 3: abdominal pain, and it turned into sepsis from the rat bite.

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Speaker 2: So when I first read this story, you know, I always,

455
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Speaker 2: I always, with every single story, try to justify living

456
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Speaker 2: every day. Everyone always asked me, like, how are you

457
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: not stressed out every single day? All this stuff you read,

458
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Speaker 2: all this stuff you see? Well, because I always try

459
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Speaker 2: to say, oh, that can't happen to me kind of thing, Right,

460
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Speaker 2: So I read this story and I'm like, you know what,

461
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Speaker 2: there's never going to be a rat in my toilet,

462
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Speaker 2: so whatever, it's not going to be my problem. Right

463
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Speaker 2: then I started looking it up, and I shouldn't look

464
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: shit up, apparently, and I'm sure any plumber could tell

465
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Speaker 2: you this. And I must just be a moron for

466
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Speaker 2: not even knowing this, that the rats in the sewer

467
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 2: can like totally climb up inside your toilet. Yeah, I

468
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: did not know that. I never heard of that, and

469
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Speaker 2: that just I just can't stop thinking about it because

470
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: now I'm like, oh my god, there's going to be

471
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Speaker 2: a rat in my toilet. And just but anyway, what

472
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: happened was so rats carry a bacteria that can be

473
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Speaker 2: passed on the humans. It's called a zoonotic disease when

474
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Speaker 2: an animal can share it too. Well, humans are animals too,

475
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Speaker 2: but when a non human can spread it to a human,

476
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Speaker 2: and it's called leptosporosis, and that that usually the It

477
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Speaker 2: could it could turn into a huge problem if a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are exposed to it. But it's usually

479
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Speaker 2: found in the urine of rodents and other animals too.

480
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Speaker 2: And they still think it's weird that he was bit

481
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Speaker 2: by this animal and got it. But they think that

482
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Speaker 2: maybe like the rat peede in the water and then

483
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Speaker 2: when he touched it, it just like got in that

484
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Speaker 2: way kind of a thing. But it could it could

485
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Speaker 2: could have killed him for sure. At least he went

486
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Speaker 2: to the hospital and got treatment and everything. But Jesus,

487
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: talk about freak thing of all those events happening, I

488
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Speaker 2: don't know. I would shut the lid and I would

489
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Speaker 2: call nine one one call, and I will get my

490
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Speaker 2: house on fire.

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Speaker 3: Okay, college, Nila one for a rat your toilet is

492
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Speaker 3: a total waste of police resources.

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Speaker 2: Let's feel. I don't care that they'd have to let

494
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Speaker 2: me slide for that one.

495
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Speaker 3: Let me tell you we got this house in Philly,

496
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Speaker 3: Fricky and I a couple of years ago, and when

497
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Speaker 3: we first moved in, you know, it was like newly renovated,

498
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Speaker 3: beautiful row home whatever. After living there for a couple

499
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Speaker 3: of weeks, there was like it was like totally infested.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know how they covered it up when

501
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Speaker 3: we went to go look at it. But after a

502
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Speaker 3: couple months that, we were catching mice so frequently and

503
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Speaker 3: I was really over living there. And then one night,

504
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Speaker 3: you know, I heard the trap go off and I

505
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Speaker 3: walk back and like the rat king from the Nutcracker

506
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: is like on this trap, and I was like, dude,

507
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Speaker 3: I'm moving out of this house.

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Speaker 2: I would move out.

509
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Speaker 3: I was already trying to move out because of the

510
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511
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Speaker 3: pre existing thing there and they knew about. And then

512
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Speaker 3: the second the rat was on the trap, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I cannot sleep here another night.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, I couldn't either. Agreed.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get onto some violent crime.

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Speaker 3: So in Oklahoma, two cops showed up to evict an

568
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Speaker 3: eighty two year old man and his wife from their

569
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Speaker 3: I'd been working with this couple over several weeks to

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Speaker 3: relocate them. They were getting evicted, and you know, they

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Speaker 3: had come up with a solution for them to go

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576
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Speaker 3: the man, like the husband, ran into the back room,

577
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Speaker 3: started slashing gasoline all over the room and then set

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Speaker 3: himself on fire. He killed himself, he killed the family dog,

579
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Speaker 3: he burnt one of the police officers. It was a mess.

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Speaker 3: They were able to get his wife out of the home.

581
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Speaker 3: She was differing from Parkinson's disease. So I'm like, great,

582
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: she already is dealing with this horrible thing right now,

583
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Speaker 3: and now her husband just dog and her dogger did

584
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Speaker 3: and did this heinous act. She has to leave her home,

585
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Speaker 3: but they don't really know one hundred percent of why

586
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Speaker 3: he did it.

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Speaker 2: Usually in these cases it's called self immulation like it.

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Speaker 2: People do it because it's a protest, right, like you

589
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Speaker 2: see it in political things a lot. It's it's thought

590
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: to be like the worst form of protesting to really

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Speaker 2: show somebody that you're serious about a cause kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: And maybe the guy was just so pissed off that

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Speaker 2: he had to leave his house. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: the circumstances are surrounding it, but maybe they were just

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Speaker 2: he was just so mad that they had to leave

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Speaker 2: in the situation with the wife being sick and everything,

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Speaker 2: that that was his way of telling them that he

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Speaker 2: was protesting.

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Speaker 3: At that's all I could think of. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: that's all I can think of too. It just it's

601
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Speaker 3: so to do that, all right.

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Speaker 2: We have to talk about Brian Coberger this week. Obsessed

603
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Speaker 2: with this case and we don't get into it as

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Speaker 2: much as a true crime podcast and stuff obviously do.

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Speaker 2: But we're keeping an eye on it. And I haven't

606
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Speaker 2: even written a high profile death disseection on the show

607
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Speaker 2: because I'm just waiting to see if more information comes

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Speaker 2: out about the autopsies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's kind of no point until the trial happens,

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Speaker 3: because that's when we're going to get all the details

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Speaker 3: where we need because right now we know very bare

612
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Speaker 3: minimum about what happened and how they were killed. But

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Speaker 3: you know, like, well, can you just briefly tell everyone

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Speaker 3: for people that aren't familiar like what we're even talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we've covered it before if you've listened to past episodes,

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Speaker 3: So just in brief because we could, you know, do

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Speaker 3: this for hours this These four students in Idaho were

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Speaker 3: brutally murdered, stab to death one night. It was November

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, correct, yes, and the police, seemingly

620
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Speaker 3: to our knowledge, for weeks, did not know who did it.

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Speaker 3: So it was really scary time because these kids were dead,

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Speaker 3: they didn't know who did it. This guy was on

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Speaker 3: the run, but then in December somebody was arrested. Who

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625
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Speaker 3: in these murders. So his trial was supposed to take

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Speaker 3: place last October but got pushed it maybe will be

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Speaker 3: next summer, I think is the latest I've heard. Summer

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five. The trial's gonna happen, but there's

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Speaker 3: just so much speculation about what was going on. This

630
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Speaker 3: guy was a criminology PhD student, so you're thinking like

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Speaker 3: he was literally devoting his life to studying criminal investigation

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Speaker 3: and then committed one of the most heinous crimes of

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Speaker 3: all time. And it's just really the whole thing's really scary.

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Speaker 3: The more information we get, but there's also a gag

635
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Speaker 3: order going on, so we're not getting a ton of information.

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Speaker 3: All we really know is these kids were stabbed to death,

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Speaker 3: and they linked Brian Coberg Brian Koberger to the case

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Speaker 3: via DNA on a Knight's sheet. So that's like the

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Speaker 3: very bare minimum summary of what's going on here. But basically,

640
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Speaker 3: his lawyers are in trouble, so he he's using a

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Speaker 3: public defender. And I can't even imagine what this lady's

642
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Speaker 3: thinking taking this case.

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Speaker 2: On, right, because like, you don't really I don't know

644
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Speaker 2: what the rules are, like, yeah, that she has to

645
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Speaker 2: or whatever, but I feel like they're kind of douche

646
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Speaker 2: like that some of the stuff that they're doing. I

647
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Speaker 2: tell oh, I always keep saying from the very beginning

648
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Speaker 2: that there's some kind of twist that's gonna happen with

649
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Speaker 2: this and I'm not sure what exactly they're trying right now,

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Speaker 2: but what tell them what happened this week that makes

651
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: that is weird. That's why it's in the news this week.

652
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: So his attorney hired a psychologist to conduct a phone

653
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: survey of four hundred local residents asking how much knowledge

654
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: they had of the case. So you might be asking,

655
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: like why would they do this or think this is appropriate,

656
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 3: But it seems like they're trying, because of all the

657
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: media surrounding the case, to get the case moved to

658
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: a different district, so people aren't as familiar with the case.

659
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: But everybody's familiar with the case, yes, because the internet exists,

660
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: and this just so just imagine this. They call these

661
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: people that live in this town that's like never been

662
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: on the news before and told this. I think there

663
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: wasn't a murder there for like for a long time

664
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: or something maybe one years and years and years and

665
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: years ago. So it's a safe town. Probably people leave

666
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: their doors un locked, college campus, all this stuff, and

667
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: get you get a phone call. You're sitting in your

668
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: living room and get a phone call asking questions about

669
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: this murder trial.

670
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the prosecution learned of this because one of

671
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 3: the people that got the call recorded the conversation and

672
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: turned it in, so they were like, this is weird. Yeah,

673
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: so you know, they conducted the trial, they conducted the

674
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: survey because they want to try to like I don't know,

675
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: like in my mind, they're contaminating all the local people

676
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: so that they can't use anybody for the jury. And

677
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: the judge is already put in order that's like, don't

678
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: contact potential jurors, which why would you ever be allowed

679
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 3: to contact?

680
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: For three? Do you have some of the questions? All

681
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: the questions?

682
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: So the questions are, have you read, seen or heard

683
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: if Coburger was arrested at his parents' home in Pennsylvania.

684
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 3: Number two, have you I could I'll answer all these.

685
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: I don't live anywhere near Idaho, like yes, all right, yeah,

686
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: So let me ask you all of them and then

687
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: you answer. So your question you're answered to number one

688
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 3: is yes. Number two, have you read, seen or heard?

689
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: If police found Knight's chief on the bed next to

690
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: one of the victims. Yes, have you read, seen or heard?

691
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: If DNA found on the knights chief was later matched

692
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: to Coburger, Yes, have you read, seen or heard if

693
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: Coburger owns the same type of car recorded on video

694
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: during driving in the neighborhood where the killings occurred.

695
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: Yes.

696
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: Have you read seen or heard if cell phone tower

697
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 3: data showed that Coburger made several trips to the victims

698
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: home in months before the killing.

699
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

700
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: Have you read, seen or heard if university students in

701
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: Moscow and their parents lived in fear until Coburger was arrested.

702
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: I don't know that for sure, but I mean we

703
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: were living in fear. I was anywhere near there. I

704
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: was living in fear for them. Yes, Okay, hold on, Uh,

705
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: have you read seen or heard if Coburger said he

706
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: was out driving alone on the night of the murder?

707
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: Yes?

708
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: Have you read seen or heard that Coburger stalked one

709
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: of the victims?

710
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: Yes?

711
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: Have you read seen or heard that Coburger had followed

712
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: one of the victims on social media?

713
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: I heard that, Yes, I guess he was. Okay, so

714
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: you're in New Jersey.

715
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: I mean we're in kind of a different bracket, right

716
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: because this is our job and part of our job.

717
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: But it but like it isn't dough like I'd still

718
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: i'd still do I'd still know this like I any

719
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: person that's that's interested in people that kill people is

720
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: going to know this. Like I'm embarrassed.

721
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: But I had to explain this to Ricky like recently,

722
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: like he never heard of it before, and I'm like,

723
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: first of all, it just shows you don't listen to

724
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: me as your wife because I talk the time.

725
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: That's another issue. But yeah, I mean, Gabe can't see

726
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: that because like when it especially were we were on

727
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: vacation when it happened, and we were driving in the

728
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: car and I saw it came through on you know,

729
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: one of the news text things, and then I put

730
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: it on to listen to it because they were like, oh,

731
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a live news conference and I was like, oh,

732
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 2: we're listening to this.

733
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: So basically they're like, this is violating the gag order

734
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: because you're giving specifics in the questions, right.

735
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: But but the and the prosecutors are saying that some

736
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: of that because the stuff about the Instagram, him messaging

737
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: her on Instagram and stuff that wasn't I don't think

738
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: that that was ever officially released by anybody. That was

739
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: like speculation as far as I know, so I think that, well,

740
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: it might not be speculation. It might have just been

741
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: something released that shouldn't have been released or something. But regardless,

742
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: like the prosecutors just like some of that stuff in

743
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: those questions isn't even part of the evidence or the case.

744
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: So they should be in trouble for contacting the jurors.

745
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: And and maybe they did that on purpose, so they say, oh,

746
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: now we can't have the trial here. I don't know

747
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: what they want to do, but I don't think it

748
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 2: matters in this case.

749
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: Well, the judge is saying this could impact his right

750
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: to a fair trial, so I think they are considering

751
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: moving it, so therefore they would be successful.

752
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: That's just how. I don't know, dude, whatever, It's just

753
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: I mean, here's an I don't feel insecure about that

754
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: because if any single person reads these details during court,

755
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: which they're going to get to see autopsies, pictures of

756
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: these people, and from what I heard they were, they

757
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: were fullaid, Like, there's no way that people are going

758
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: to get this guy off. I just unless there's the

759
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: twist bombshell list.

760
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I do agree in a sense, it shouldn't

761
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: be if it's a really small it shouldn't be exactly

762
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: where it occurred because of what you said, like people

763
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: are going to feel a certain way. People might have

764
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: known him around there. You don't know, like it is

765
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: the most fair to have a completely you know, a

766
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: person like Ricky who has no idea at all what

767
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: happened and look at it exactly for facts.

768
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: Right, even if Ricky actually sat there and had to

769
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: listen to that crap for a couple of weeks, he

770
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 2: would be like, come on, yeah, but everybody saying Scott

771
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: Peterson is innocent, Like it's literally not.

772
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like it's already contaminated so much so

773
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: like you should bring it to a place where it's

774
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: not and it's not so he could potentially get off.

775
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: It's because like you need to present it to people

776
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 3: that don't have bias on either side.

777
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just I don't. I don't think

778
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: that you're gonna really be but to find many people.

779
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: Maybe there's people that have no idea what's going.

780
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: On, but there there really is a lot of people

781
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: that have no idea what's going on. It must be

782
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: nice to live in that place, all right. Medical News,

783
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: we have an update on the penis app we talked

784
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: about last week. So shocker it said that a penis

785
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: cake and a penis shaped vase where good to go clear,

786
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: go have sex with because it can't distinguish the difference

787
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: between inanimate objects and real penises.

788
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this app that we talked about last week

789
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: real quick, just to remind you, is it's an app

790
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: that you're supposed to take a picture of your penis

791
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: and it could tell you if you have an STI

792
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: or not sexually transmitted infection. I don't think it even

793
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: gets into specific like hey, you have gonerie or something

794
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 2: like that, but it just tells you maybe you should

795
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: go get further treatment at the hospital. But it's supposed

796
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: to say or you're all clear for sex or wait

797
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: for sex whatever.

798
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: But no, it says something susy. If it thinks there's

799
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 3: something wrong, well, well so so they don't think it.

800
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: So somebody this is genius, like put in a picture

801
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: of a penis cake and a penis and it diagnosed it.

802
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: So and they also put in pictures of genitals with

803
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: sexually transmitted infections and it didn't say that.

804
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: In La, this app just go away for now.

806
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: An La Times reporter uploaded all these different textbook pictures

807
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 3: of STDs and it like couldn't pick all of them up,

808
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: or how did this thing even get approved this far

809
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: if like someone from the La Times was able to

810
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: just do this and be like, yeah, this thing so well.

811
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: And other doctors are saying they're like fine print where

812
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 3: it says it's only sick. You know, on the homepage

813
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: it says it's like ninety five percent effective, but on

814
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: the fine print it said the sixty five percent effective.

815
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: The doctors are like, sixty five percent is not an

816
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 3: acceptable number.

817
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: We could be people like like you could just call

818
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: me on the phone and I'll just say like, yeah,

819
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: you have it or you don't, and it would it

820
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: would be sixty five percent without even looking at it,

821
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: Like it's just the dumbit. There's no point of even

822
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: talking about this anymore.

823
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of a misdiagnosis, this woman was misdiagnosed with

824
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 3: cancer after receip really aggressive treatment.

825
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. This I can't believe this story actually, and it

826
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 2: was reported in a lot of different places. This woman

827
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: had she was having pain in her abdomen. She went

828
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: to the hospital. She thought she was having kidney stones,

829
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: and indeed she got diagnosed with kidney stones, but they

830
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: ended up seeing a mass on her spleen. When they

831
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: decided to work her up, they took her spleen out.

832
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: A lot of times, they don't buy up see certain

833
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: organs because sometimes there's a risk of bleeding, and I

834
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: guess this particular mass looked like it could bleed a lot,

835
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: So they just decided to take out your spleen because

836
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: you can live without it, and they took it out,

837
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: and they sent it down to pathology. So I'll just

838
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: tell you right now that like spleen tumors aren't as common.

839
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 2: I've seen them a bunch of times, but they're not

840
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: as common as like colon cancer or breast cancer. So

841
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure the original hospital that did this, but

842
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: the surgery came down to the pathology department and they

843
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: didn't exactly know what the tumor was, so they sent

844
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: it to another lab to get a second opinion. And

845
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: this is something that happens often, so I don't think

846
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: that that's weird. I don't know why they said they

847
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: send it to four different labs, but unless it was

848
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: just something that was really really unusual and weird, and

849
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: that's totally possible because there's always these people that get

850
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: this weird thing that nobody knows what it is, and

851
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: they have to send it to specialist. Regardless, it comes

852
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: back and she's told that she has something called clear

853
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: cell angio sarcoma, which is a cancer that arises out

854
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: of blood vessels, right, but it has a really really

855
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: poor prognosis. So they told her she had fifteen months

856
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: to live. She's like thirty eight years old. She had

857
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: to tell her husband, she had to tell her kids.

858
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: She starts getting chemotherapy. The first round of chemotherapy, like

859
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: all her horror fell out. She went for another round

860
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: of chemotherapy. She just got really really sick, vomiting, she

861
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: had like her skin started looking weird. So she goes

862
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: for like her checkup appointment, and the nurse practitioner in

863
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: the office is just like asking her about her symptoms

864
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: from her chemotherapy, and she recalls the nurse practitioner looking

865
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: in the computer and like looking at her really weird

866
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: and then leaving the room and saying I'll be right back,

867
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 2: and then came back in with the doctor fifteen minutes later,

868
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: and they said, oh, we're sorry, there was some kind

869
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: of miscommunication.

870
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: We're congratulations, there was a miscommunication.

871
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. They didn't even say they were sorry. Actually

872
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: they said, well, congrats, she looks like you don't have cancer.

873
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to like trace back to what

874
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: I know about working in the pathology department and stuff.

875
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: Whatever happened. Maybe there was some talk over the phone

876
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: that it could have been this, or it could have

877
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: been that. I don't know how the reports got screwed

878
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: up or whatever, but I guess the final report saying

879
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: that it wasn't cancer. All the work up they did

880
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: it wasn't cancer never got to the doctor or it

881
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: got to the doctor's office, but they didn't see it. Guys.

882
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: It was dated a month prior.

883
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they didn't even look at it until her appointment.

884
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: So they had it for a full month. So she

885
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: received the second round of chemotherapy in between the time

886
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: the report was completed and her appointment.

887
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: So this is what I think happened. Maybe because if

888
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: we get if we do a report and it ends

889
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: up being something really important like that that a person

890
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: needs for their treatment, we would send it like with

891
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: red text that's like, look at this right now. This

892
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: is a critical value. This is something that's important that

893
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: needs to be looked at it can't be thrown on

894
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 2: the pile of stuff. But since it was negative, there's

895
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: just like a miscommunication, Like they weren't saying it was

896
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: cancer and putting it on top of the pile. They

897
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: were saying it was negative and putting at the bottom

898
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: of the pile, even though because the people in pathology

899
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: didn't know that she was getting treated for cancer. Like

900
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: this is just like this huge miscommunication. I think. I'm

901
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: I could see, I could kind of see how it happened.

902
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: Although it's it's terrible that it happened, I'm more concerned

903
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: that she's saying that she has all these hospital bills

904
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 2: and stuff now and they're just basically like, yeah, you're lucky,

905
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: you don't have to take chemo anymore. And I'm like, dude,

906
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: this is this hasn't also written all over like really bad.

907
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: I hope she gets a good Yeah, I hope she

908
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: gets a good attorney because this is malpractice, like at

909
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: its finest, and I just think this can't happen, and

910
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: like something needs to change for that, because you can

911
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: you can die getting chemo. It's not like a joke,

912
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: and that was ruined the rest of her life.

913
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: That's I was gonna ask, is there any long lasting

914
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 3: effects of she could She could.

915
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely have long lasting effects. It's terrible.

916
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like she this is one hundred percent of lawsuit worthy.

917
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: I agree with her. She was like, I'm more.

918
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: Pissed about the congratulations and the lack of apology I

919
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: received for basically ruining my life. It's like, not only

920
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: did she, you know, think she was gonna die, she

921
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: had to put her family through the trauma of thinking

922
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: she was gonna die. She unnecessarily got treatment that was

923
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: really harmful to her body. It hasn't been an easy

924
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: couple of years, and they're just like, oh, congrats, we

925
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: fucked up, so you're good now you can at least

926
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: pay that. The thing is is that the thing is

927
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: is that it is. I mean, it's kind of awesome

928
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: that she doesn't have cancer that it ends out, but

929
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: it ends up that it's going to be a great

930
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: thing for her. But it's not being handled right because

931
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: I think if I was the oncologist or the pathology

932
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: department responsible for this case, I would want to sit

933
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: down and be like this needs to be dissected out

934
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 3: and like never happen again, because this is really really

935
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: bad that this happened. What.

936
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: I still really can't figure out how it happened because

937
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: technically the oncologists really shouldn't even start treatment until they

938
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: have the pathology report. And the only thing that I

939
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: could think is that they I don't know, like maybe

940
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: there was a one report issued and then they changed it.

941
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: Like we said, they do an addundum. They changes sometimes,

942
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: but they wouldn't. They wouldn't do it like that. That's why,

943
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: like something here doesn't make any sense to me. But

944
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: it happened to this lady. So something got screwed.

945
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: Up, right, Yeah, I mean, hopefully they just learned from

946
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 3: the situation and it never happens again.

947
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: Okay, what's next?

948
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: Counterfeit botox? So, people in Tennessee and Illinois have been

949
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 3: hospitalized after receiving counterfeit botoks. So, first and Illinois patients

950
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 3: were sent to the hospital after getting botox injections from

951
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: a nurse who was licensed but not performing them in

952
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: a license facility. And then in Tennessee, complaints came about

953
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: injections in non medical settings such as homes or cosmetic spas.

954
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: So can you explain, like what botox? I'm sure we've

955
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: talked about this before, But what is botoxin? Why is

956
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: it so crucial that you get it done in a

957
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: license facility and with a licensed practitioner.

958
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: So there's a bacteria that causes botulism, and this bacteria

959
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: gives off toxins that could cause muscle paralysis. And if

960
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: you think about muscle paralysis and all the muscles in

961
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: your body that control things, it could cause your eyelids

962
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: to be droopy, it could cause your diaphragm to not

963
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: work properly, which assists with breathing. It could cause mega problems,

964
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: and it could lead to death. It's really bad. But

965
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: scientists years ago figured out that that toxin that paralyzes muscles,

966
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: if it was used in a really tiny amount in

967
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: a controlled environment, that it could paralyze muscles and make

968
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: people not have wrinkles. Right, I personally think it's like

969
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: the best, one of the best drugs that were ever created, right,

970
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: it really it's But whenever you talk about anything, you're

971
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: always going to have counterfeit things. And not only was

972
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: was this performed by somebody that wasn't doing it in

973
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: the correct way, but also they're thinking that the the

974
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: botox might be fake botox. They didn't get it from

975
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: where they should have gotten it, and so there's not

976
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: In the United States, it's it's just the same as

977
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: everything else that gets done, abortion, whatever. Like things are

978
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: different in every state, right, So in some states, nurses

979
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 2: are allowed to give botox. In other states, the only

980
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: person that's allowed to give botox is doctors. There's all

981
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: these rules. I even think in New Jersey you're allowed

982
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: to give botox if you're a nurse, but you have

983
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: to have a doctor there. So like if you're a

984
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: nurse working at a doctor's office, you can give it

985
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: in front of the doctor, but you're not allowed to

986
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: do it at the salon and spa. Yeah, which is

987
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: probably sounds like what happened something like that? And what

988
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: the physician is probably the only one that it allowed

989
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: to order the botox because it's a prescription, so they

990
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: were getting it somewhere else. And that's how you get

991
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: the counterfeit one. You wouldn't get that from whatever drug

992
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 2: rep you ordered that from. That came from Amazon. I'm

993
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: not probably not, but I'm just saying, like, where do

994
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 2: we even order fake botox from?

995
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: That?

996
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: It's the same place you get all fake drugs from.

997
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: My I don't know. I don't order fake drugs, so

998
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. But so that's that's the risk. So

999
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: there's lots of risk with it because you want to

1000
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: go to somebody that knows how they're injecting it, because

1001
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: there's there's it is. Botulism's very dangerous and if you're

1002
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: not doing it the right way, you can hurt somebody

1003
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 2: with it. That's why you should have someone that's trained

1004
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: to inject it and using the right product and has

1005
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: the right qualifications. Otherwise, I feel like it's it's pretty good.

1006
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't cause too many problems when it's

1007
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: being used properly. You don't hear about it a lot

1008
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: unless it's like situations like this, Well.

1009
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like we've talked about this before

1010
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: or where you know, people go to like hotel rooms

1011
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 3: and get butt injections and everything, And I think it's

1012
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: really on you, as somebody looking to get these treatments

1013
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: to look into.

1014
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: We actually just we had a story this week that

1015
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: we caught because we had a million stories, but there

1016
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: was another story about a mom and a daughter that

1017
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: we're doing illegal butt injections in like a hotel room

1018
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: or something like that.

1019
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's really up to you, as

1020
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: a person getting these treatments, to look into the you know,

1021
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: the legality, because you know, I've even heard stories where

1022
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, my my neighbor's friend is my friend's

1023
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: neighbor is giving ozimpic shots because he just does it

1024
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: on the side. And I'm like, so you think it's

1025
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: good to go to this stranger's house and just get

1026
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: an injection, not in the proper place whatever.

1027
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I know I've heard of people

1028
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: doing like botox parties and stuff, and I think if

1029
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: you're like, if you're a doctor and you there's no

1030
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: reason why you can't bring the stuff in a bag

1031
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 2: and do it in someone's house with gloves on and everything.

1032
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 2: If you're doing one of these things that you're ablity,

1033
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: I mean exactly, but there's just a big difference. But

1034
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: you really should figure that out because I do hear

1035
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: about a lot of like now Salon's doing it and

1036
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: things like that, and it's like, you certainly, and that's

1037
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: what the problem is because if you go to like

1038
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: a legit person yet botox, it's gonna cost like it

1039
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: could be like three hundred dollars, four hundred dollars whatever

1040
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: it costs, and people can go to a now salon

1041
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: and get it for two hundred dollars, right.

1042
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: Like what you get what you pay for? So yeah, exactly,

1043
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: and it's just oh my god. All right, So this

1044
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: woman has died after an ointment she bought on Facebook

1045
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: had a deadly amount of lead in it, and she

1046
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 3: got lead poisoning. So first I think we could all

1047
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: agree you don't buy creams, any medicine at all off

1048
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: of Facebook, and you certainly then don't have your relatives

1049
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: mailed to you. Yeah.

1050
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how that worked, because it said she

1051
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: bought I can't. I won't even try to pronounce with

1052
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: the name of this. I haven't, but I'm not. I can't.

1053
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: She she bought this ointment on Facebook and then one

1054
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: of her relatives in Vietnam mailed it to her. So

1055
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know why she went through all

1056
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: that instead of just like, why didn't you just go

1057
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: to CBS and get some what is it called preparation

1058
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: h or something. I don't know, but they have pictures

1059
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: of it and they did testing on it. It has four

1060
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: percent lead, which is a huge amount and when you're

1061
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: putting that right on a lesion of vascular lesion on

1062
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 2: your butt that that's bleeding and everything like that, you're

1063
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: just putting it directly into your bloodstream. It's just not

1064
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: a good idea to ever do that. And I do

1065
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: hear from time to time these things getting sold on Facebook,

1066
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: like this and stuff, and it's like they have this

1067
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: amazing technology that could pick up all this stuff, right,

1068
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: but then they can't pick up things like this. There's

1069
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: no reason that creams that are being sold in Vietnam

1070
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: that aren't FDA proved and aren't allowed to be sold

1071
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: in this country. They're really shouldn't even have access to

1072
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 2: it here. But I feel that way.

1073
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: You know, when I'm on Poshmark, I even see that

1074
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: people makeup for sale, and I just personally would never

1075
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: even buy makeup for sale, Like you just don't know

1076
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: what people are doing to it.

1077
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean the same could be said for

1078
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: Amazon though, too, Right, Like you get you can get

1079
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: vitamins and stuff, like you really don't know unless you're

1080
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: getting it from like the official store, because you know

1081
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: how some places have like their own stores, you don't

1082
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: really know what you're getting, you know, and it's it

1083
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: is scary, I guess. But in this case, I think

1084
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: the fact that the family like maybe it was some

1085
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: kind of treatment that that they want, she wanted to

1086
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: use that the people in the Vietnam or something like

1087
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: swore it was like the best thing ever and it

1088
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: really worked.

1089
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: Because it's put you in doesn't well.

1090
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: Guess what, she doesn't have memorhis anymore. Okay.

1091
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 3: Next, a doctor in Quebec treated a man with body

1092
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: integrity identity disorder by amputating two healthy fingers from his

1093
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: left hand. So, this twenty year old had reportedly had

1094
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: a quote traumatizing sensation that in his fingers since childhood

1095
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: that he felt didn't belong in his body. Michelle actually

1096
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: wrote an article about this a couple of years ago

1097
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: in the Gross Room called when Disability or It's when

1098
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: ability equals disability, talking about this rare phenomenon where people,

1099
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 3: you know, they have a totally healthy limb leg in

1100
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: this guy's case, two fingers that are just mentally tripping

1101
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: them out so bad that they feel they need to

1102
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: surgically be removed in order to continue living.

1103
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: A healthy life.

1104
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: So after this guy was diagnosed with the disorder and

1105
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 3: doctors really looked into it, and he had received all

1106
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: the treatment he possibly could. They agreed to do the

1107
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: elective amputation, cut the fingers off, and now this guy

1108
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: is living this like most amazing quality of life now

1109
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: that the fingers are gone.

1110
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know anything about this. If

1111
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: you want to if you want to do it, then

1112
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: do it. It's just the thing is is that I'm again,

1113
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: is if you get this done and then I mean,

1114
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: fingers are one thing, right, like you can you can

1115
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: pretty much live a normal life without two fingers. But

1116
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: what about people that want to cut off more than that,

1117
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: like their entire leg or something. Well, now they're I know,

1118
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: so do they get like disability insurance? And do they

1119
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: or pay out all this stuff? Like how who are

1120
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: who pays for that stuff? Do they get discounts on

1121
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: wheelchairs and things that actual people that have disabilities need,

1122
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: That's what I'm curious about. Or do you sign some

1123
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 2: kind of waiver that's just like, this is all my problem,

1124
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: my financial burden.

1125
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: I want to assume if it was on record as

1126
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: an elective surgery, then you would have to cover that cost.

1127
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: But then there's this probably great, it's definitely no legislation

1128
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: written for him. I'm not saying legislation, but like there's

1129
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 3: probably this gray area because I would assume this is

1130
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 3: categorized as a version of a mental illness.

1131
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: So is that the disability? You know what I mean? Yeah,

1132
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just it's like it's a n't

1133
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care if it happened. Like,

1134
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: whatever people want to do, they want to do. But like,

1135
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: as long as it's not it, it doesn't end up

1136
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: taking away things from people that are actually disabled, right.

1137
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, Like you should not be

1138
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: taking away things from people that have disabilities against their

1139
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: will because this phenomenon is like this obsessive desire to

1140
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: have a disability, and it is very rare, but it

1141
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 3: has happened before, which prompted the article she wrote two

1142
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: years ago and then prompted this. And I am really

1143
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: surprised that a doctor went forward and did it. And

1144
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: I wonder if this would happen in the US.

1145
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: Well, listen, a doctor, think about all these people that

1146
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: look like freaks with these crazy plastic surgery and stuff, Like,

1147
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: there's always a doctor that's going to do something. Have

1148
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: you seen these women that have like these breast implants

1149
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: that their bodies cannot hold, and they have all these

1150
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: problems with them and everything, and they go in and

1151
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: they just get bigger and bigger, Like there's always going

1152
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: to be Look at Michael Jackson, like there's always going

1153
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: to be somebody that's going to do something if you

1154
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: hand the money. Yeah, I mean, I'm all for.

1155
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: Like, do whatever you want, but I agree with you, like,

1156
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: don't take away things from people that actually really need them.

1157
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 3: But I think this is just going to fall into

1158
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: a gray area of like, well that person needed it

1159
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: because they had a mental disorder going on. I don't know,

1160
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 3: like you could go down this rabbit hole for a

1161
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: long time. Yeah, going back and forth about what the

1162
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: legalities would be, but let's move on. So Eugenia Cooney

1163
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: is a fashion and beauty influencer. She's on TikTok Instagram. Actually,

1164
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: we've been receiving a lot of messages from you guys

1165
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 3: about covering her. This story seems the most relevant. So

1166
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: when I went on her page and looked at her

1167
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: picture today, you know, she looks like what in my

1168
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 3: day we called a scene queen, you know, like big

1169
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: black teased out hair, emo look really nice make I mean,

1170
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: she way better makeup than we ever did back in

1171
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: you know what, like two thousand and six when this.

1172
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 2: Was a huge thing.

1173
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: But basically, her fans are really worried about her because

1174
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 3: she has an extremely thin appearance. There's thought that she

1175
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 3: has this extreme eating disorder. And now TikTok, when you

1176
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 3: look up her name does not bring up her page,

1177
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: but instead issues a warning and help for somebody with

1178
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 3: an eating disorder.

1179
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: So we have to think it's a weird thing too

1180
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: that says help. It's like an anatomic drawing of a

1181
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: stomach with a heart with a number to like an

1182
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: eating disorder hotline. So I think we're getting in this weird.

1183
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: Category of you know, we can all look at her

1184
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: and assume she has an eating disorder, but she hasn't

1185
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: come forward and admitted that to my knowledge, No.

1186
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: She has. Okay, twenty nineteen she finally admitted. I mean this,

1187
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: for those of you that don't know who we're talking about,

1188
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: I need to describe what she looks like, because Maria

1189
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: is being a little a little nice here. She's eighty

1190
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: four pounds and five foot seven. Okay, so think about

1191
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 2: what she looks like. She looks like it like a skeleton.

1192
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: She looks like a person that has anorexia or some

1193
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: kind of severe eating disorder, and people are do not

1194
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: They've been signing petitions years now to get her off

1195
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: of the internet because they think that she's not only

1196
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: a bad influence on other children who are following her

1197
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: and women that are following her, but also that she's

1198
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: a harm to herself and that she's triggering people to

1199
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: have eating disorders. And a lot of people that have

1200
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: eating disorders will say that stuff like that does does

1201
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: trigger them. And when I look at this girl, I

1202
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 2: think that she should be taken off for her own

1203
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: health because clearly, like the fame of it is not

1204
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: good for her in my opinion, because now she has

1205
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 2: all these followers and stuff, because people are following her

1206
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: because of her appearance is so outrageous and people can't

1207
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: believe that somebody is that thin and they're living like that.

1208
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,959
Speaker 2: And her apparently her mother's involved with it, like there's

1209
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: been all this talk that her mom was always pressuring

1210
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: her to post, and at some point her mom came

1211
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: out and said, my daughter is not sick. I sit

1212
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: with her all the time, and she eats, and you're like,

1213
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: your daughter's eighty four pounds and she's five foot seven.

1214
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: Like you could tell us all not to believe what

1215
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: our eyes are seeing, but that's happening right now. And

1216
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: for her, it's like her whole entire identity is now.

1217
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 2: She has all these followers and stuff because she does

1218
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: stuff like makeup or whatever she does. But like, I

1219
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: think the majority of the people are flooding in because

1220
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: of her appearance. So how's she ever gonna feel good

1221
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: about getting to a normal weight and being healthy when

1222
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: she's gotten all this attention for being eighty four pounds?

1223
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what to feel about this

1224
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 3: because personally, I don't think it's up to TikTok to

1225
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 3: make that decision. And you know, it's well it are

1226
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 3: they are they showing people that are obese because it's

1227
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: the same damn thing. Well, that's that's what I was

1228
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 3: gonna say, Like there's kind of an irony behind it,

1229
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 3: because you know, we're showing lots of people that have

1230
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 3: eating disorders and unhealthy lifestyle habits, So what makes her

1231
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: the example they have to make? Right? You know, I

1232
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 3: don't really agree with the fact that she's shadow band

1233
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: and everything. Even though I don't I don't agree she

1234
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 3: should be parading around an unhealthy way of being, But

1235
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 3: what makes her different from other people that are also

1236
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 3: doing the same thing. She just is more visibly going

1237
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 3: through something than other people. So like it's it's kind

1238
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: of like on her and her family if she wants

1239
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 3: to get treatment and be removed from the platform, not

1240
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: for the platform to remove her.

1241
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and I definitely agree, I agree with that,

1242
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: but there has this is the problem, Like the Internet

1243
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: is just the wild West and there's no there's no

1244
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: regulation of everything and you and it's they're making an

1245
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: example out of her. I agree with you, but like

1246
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: her and her BMI is like a thirteen point five

1247
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: and you could die at that BMI, right, But like

1248
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: when you're BMI is a forty, it's celebrated like it's

1249
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: it's like it's this is the this is the new healthy,

1250
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: this is the new So if you're gonna if you're

1251
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: gonna do that, I one hundred percent agree with you,

1252
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: you should do it across the board. Because this girl

1253
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: isn't telling girls to be anorexic or eating or skinny.

1254
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: She she just looks that way. She doesn't ever promote it,

1255
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: whereas the other ones actually do promote obesity and what.

1256
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: But what's to say what's triggering and what's not. Anybody

1257
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 3: could be triggered by anything, So like, I understand a

1258
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: lot of people with eating disorders are coming forward saying

1259
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 3: that her appearance is triggering, but don't look at her page,

1260
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: and like.

1261
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: I think that, and I think that her page could

1262
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: be there, and if you search for her, you should

1263
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: definitely be able to find her if you want to

1264
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 2: look for her, but it's maybe it's like mine, right,

1265
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: you can go online, you can find mine, But like

1266
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: they don't want it popping up in the regular feed

1267
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: because it's triggering to people.

1268
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like if they would in a shadow ban her,

1269
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: I guess that's their right to do that. But and

1270
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 3: I don't even know if she is publicly come forward

1271
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 3: admitted she has an eating disorder. I don't mind TikTok

1272
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 3: providing resources to help somebody with an eating disorder, but

1273
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: to fully not make her paid searchable and potentially ban her,

1274
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: that's up to her to get the treatment she wants

1275
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: and live the way she wants. Like she's an adult

1276
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 3: there's not a form of child abuse going on. Well

1277
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: there's something about this particular girl, because so many people

1278
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 3: message us to cover this and what's up with her?

1279
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 3: And I mean she does. When you look at her,

1280
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 3: her appearance is so disturbing because you just shouldn't ever.

1281
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 3: I mean, she looks like like a living skeleton. It's

1282
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 3: just it's disturbing. So I think that's the intrigue that

1283
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: a lot of people have. I mean, I the only

1284
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 3: reason I know who she is is because people are like,

1285
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 3: oh my god, you got to look at this, and

1286
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: then I look her up because of course I want

1287
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 3: to see it. And for me, I mean, there's nothing

1288
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 3: in the world that's going to stop me from eating,

1289
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 3: so it doesn't do anything to me. Right, I've never

1290
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: had that issue, but like I know people that have

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01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: had that issue, and it could be. But like you said,

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01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 3: every there's everything in the world that's triggering.

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: And you know that. I hear that on Instagram all

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: the time, Like it'll be a poster, a picture I

1295
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: post of something with hair. It's triggering to some people.

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01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: This is triggering, and I'm just like, dude, I use

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01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: this example all the time, Like et triggers me like, whatever,

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01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: I don't like it. It makes me feel gross, like

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: it didn't like the movie when I was a little kid.

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01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: I hope my cousin renee's listening right now, because she

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: just sent me. My family thinks it's really funny to

1302
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: send me to messages of uh pictures of et or something,

1303
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: and I was just like, thanks for triggering me. Naw,

1304
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: you ruined my day.

1305
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 3: But I just really like, bottom line, I don't. I'm

1306
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 3: not saying I condone what she's doing. I don't think

1307
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 3: it's healthy, but like, what's to say? She's the example

1308
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: we are seeing people do incredibly unhealthy things online all

1309
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 3: the time, whether it's being obese, smoking weed, excessively drinking alcohol.

1310
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 3: Why is her lifestyle choice worse than others?

1311
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you're right, so I agree.

1312
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: I don't. I certainly don't condone it. But she clearly

1313
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: is going through something, and that's on her and her

1314
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 3: family to get her the treatment, not the internet to

1315
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 3: tell her to get concern.

1316
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm honestly more concerned for her. No, I'm concerned for her.

1317
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm concerned for her, and what is worrisome is that

1318
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like this is the problem because when

1319
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 2: you have a YouTube like that, when you go from

1320
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: being a regular person and making money and stuff, it's

1321
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: like the whole team that is behind you that's now

1322
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 2: changed the life because they're all making money too, is

1323
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: maybe making you do things that are not in your

1324
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: best interest anymore. Do you know what I'm saying?

1325
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I think like part that's what's said. I

1326
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 3: think part of being a content creator is you know,

1327
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,479
Speaker 3: she can see everybody's comments and concerns and maybe take

1328
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 3: that to help get treatment. But if this is what

1329
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: she wants to do, like she's a grown up in

1330
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: the Internet is the wild West, So she, like you said,

1331
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: she's not promoting having an eating disorder. She just very

1332
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: visibly has one.

1333
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about vaping. So the shocker, vaping's

1334
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: not good for you. And the thing is, you have

1335
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: to hear this stuff all the time. It's like a

1336
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: broken record when these new things come out that are

1337
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: supposed to be the latest and greatest, awesome thing and

1338
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: there's no research behind it. So vaping cops out and

1339
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: people are doing it all the time. And I said

1340
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: this twenty years ago that we'd have to wait twenty

1341
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 2: years to really be able to see how what the

1342
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: long term effects of vaping were going to be because

1343
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: we wouldn't know. You would see cases here and there

1344
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 2: about acute things that happen to people that vape, like popcorn,

1345
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 2: lung and stuff, but really you wouldn't see it until

1346
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: long term to see what the effects are. And sure enough,

1347
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: the American College of Cardiology said that vape users have

1348
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 2: a nineteen percent more likely chance of developing heart failure

1349
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: than people that are non vape users. That's a huge amount.

1350
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. I mean I feel like, especially

1351
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 3: my generation, you know, thinks that vaping is so much

1352
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 3: healthier than smoking cigarettes, and like even the doctors in

1353
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 3: this article are saying there are elements of it that

1354
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 3: can be, but in general it is certainly not healthier.

1355
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 3: I think that, and I've always said this that I

1356
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 3: think that vaping is a good a step down from

1357
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 3: cigarettes if that's what.

1358
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 2: You need to like wean off, but you need to

1359
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 2: wean off the vaping and not like in five years,

1360
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: like short term. Yeah, because you're using the straight nicotine

1361
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: affects the blood vessels, right, and it doesn't matter if

1362
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: it's not going into your lungs and with a flame. Right,

1363
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: it's still the same thing, though you're putting that chemical

1364
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: into your body. I've been saying for thirty years, like

1365
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: for my entire life, do not trust anything that comes

1366
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: from a tobacco company. Just don't trust it. They they've

1367
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: already lied and they'll lie again because they want to

1368
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: keep getting your money. Just don't.

1369
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially because we know they have a history of

1370
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,959
Speaker 3: targeting younger demographics for marketing and everything.

1371
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 2: So so this next thing I learned about this, we're

1372
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 2: going to talk about decaf coffee. Right now, I've have it.

1373
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 2: I kind of like, don't really care about it because

1374
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's the point. I guess I do like

1375
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: to taste of coffee, and it's nice to have, you know,

1376
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: at dinner if you can't sleep well. But I remember

1377
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: a few months ago I looked up, like how how

1378
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: does coffee get decaffeinated anyway? And I saw that they

1379
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: put the coffee so they don't grow a special bean

1380
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: or something. They put the coffee in a chemical process

1381
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: called methylene chloride, and that's how they take the caffeine

1382
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: out of coffee. Well, people are coming forward now and

1383
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 2: saying that, like scientists are coming forward and trying to

1384
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: get it banned because they're saying that that chemical has

1385
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: been marked as a carcinogen from the WHO and from

1386
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: the EPA.

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Speaker 3: Well. First, it's important to note that not all coffee

1388
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 3: brands use this process, but it is important if you

1389
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 3: are a decaf drinker to look into it because it's

1390
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 3: a known carcinogen. But I don't know, like for for

1391
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 3: somebody like me, I have been cutting back on my

1392
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 3: coffee intake recently because I just feel like I ebb

1393
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 3: and flow and going through the high ang periods and

1394
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 3: not and caffeine certainly doesn't help my anxiety levels. So

1395
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 3: you know, I really love the taste of coffee, so like,

1396
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 3: I still want the ritual of my morning drink, but

1397
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 3: not like the jitters that are associated with it. Right,

1398
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,839
Speaker 3: So I understand what you're saying, Like you're not somebody

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01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 3: that would resort to decaf coffee, but a lot of

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01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 3: people do, especially like pregnant people, and the same thing.

1401
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 3: You know, they want a coffee, but they can't have

1402
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 3: the caffeine. And I mean, I'm sure now this is

1403
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 3: dangerous to them in other.

1404
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 2: Ways, but.

1405
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's definitely something important to look into.

1406
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 3: Now that this is public information or you know, coming

1407
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 3: out in the news more, we have to look into

1408
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 3: the ingredients or the process behind it. And I guess

1409
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 3: not every company is gonna be very forward about the

1410
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: chemicals they're using in their products.

1411
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, because when you get a bag of decaf coffee,

1412
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 2: does it even say that or does it just say

1413
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: whatever beans? Period?

1414
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 3: Like I don't know because you know, Ray No, I've

1415
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 3: been using an espresso right now, and I got these

1416
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: pods that are half calf pods, and I, you know,

1417
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm just totally the same as everybody else. Like I

1418
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 3: bought them, I dumped them all into a cute container,

1419
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 3: and I never looked at the baggaging.

1420
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you. You have to start doing that. And yeah,

1421
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 2: I was listening to the local radio today and they

1422
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 2: were talking about they were reading the labels off of

1423
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: like something like catch Up, and it's like when there's

1424
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: five ingredients in something that you can't even pronounce the name,

1425
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: it's like it's probably the best not to try to

1426
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: have those ones. Yeah, I know, it's because that's there

1427
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 2: they've been talking about so much, like to increase risk

1428
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 2: of cancer and young people and stuff, and it just

1429
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 2: you know that it's related to that. So as much

1430
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: as possible, I'm not saying to be one of these,

1431
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: cause I'm certainly don't do that. Don't You don't need

1432
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: to be a crazy person that reads every single label

1433
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 2: and like won't let your kids have this and that.

1434
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 2: But like when when it's possible, try to avoid that

1435
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: stuff as much as as you can. Yeah, certainly. Okay.

1436
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 2: Other death news.

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01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 3: Okay, So in the gross room, we've covered this famous

1438
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 3: true crime case. It was covered on Netflix, the Watts

1439
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: Family Murders. So the Colorado house where Chris Watts murdered

1440
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: his family is now up for sale again in the

1441
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 3: last few years since this crime occurred. So for those

1442
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 3: who aren't familiar with this crime, on August thirteenth, twenty eighteen,

1443
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 3: Chris Watts strangled his pregnant wife to death in their

1444
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 3: five five bedroom home. He then put her body in

1445
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 3: the trunk and loaded up his three and four year

1446
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 3: old daughters in the car. They went on a drive.

1447
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 3: He smothered the two kids to death, dumped their bodies

1448
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 3: in oil tanks, and buried the wife in a shallow grave.

1449
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 3: So the house where the murder occurred is for sale.

1450
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: Currently for seven hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. It

1451
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 3: had previously sold for six hundred thousand dollars in November

1452
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two. You know, they since those people

1453
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 3: bought it into two, they painted it from tan to white,

1454
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 3: Like that's gonna change what happened.

1455
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: And I don't know.

1456
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 3: I just I think that's so much money for a

1457
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 3: house with such a horrible thing tied to it. But

1458
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 3: you know, we've we've had this happen in the past.

1459
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: Last year, you sent me a listing to a house

1460
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 3: in Colorado, and I was looking through it and was thinking, Wow,

1461
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 3: this is like my dream house. The way it was

1462
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 3: set up, it was beautiful. And then when I got

1463
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 3: to pictures of the basement. You know, I never read

1464
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: the listing first. I always just go right to the pictures.

1465
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 3: And when I got to the basement, I was like, yeah,

1466
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 3: but the basement was completely redone, I know. But like,

1467
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 3: as I started going through pictures of the house, was like,

1468
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 3: this seems familiar, only to realize it was the house

1469
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 3: for John bin A. Ramsey was murdered. So you know,

1470
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 3: the houses pop up once in a while. John Wayne

1471
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 3: Gacy's household with those people ended up demolishing it and

1472
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 3: building a new house on that site. The house where

1473
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 3: the staircase murder courred that was sold. We see houses

1474
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 3: like this all the time. And you know, when you

1475
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 3: buy a house if a crime, I guess it depends

1476
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 3: what state you're in, but they have to disclose if

1477
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 3: certain things happened there. But I don't know if I

1478
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 3: would willingly buy it.

1479
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 2: Remember Mike, Mike, our mailman. He was he was saying

1480
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 2: that like two people died by suicide in his house

1481
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 2: or something like that, and he only found out. He said,

1482
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 2: he knew about the one, but he didn't know about

1483
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 2: the other one until the neighbor told him or something.

1484
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I think that I think that

1485
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 2: there's going to be somebody that would want to buy

1486
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 2: that house because there's people, there's true crime, people that

1487
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: are into that kind of thing. I personally would not

1488
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 2: want like the bad juju in my house, you know

1489
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: what I mean. I don't I don't want to be

1490
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 2: somewhere where like I don't. You know, we just looked

1491
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: at that house last year that was, you know, that

1492
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 2: one that was on sale at the water and they

1493
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 2: said that the family, Like we could tell the family

1494
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: was getting divorced, and I was like, I don't even

1495
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,520
Speaker 2: want to be in a house where like there's negative

1496
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: energy in the house like that.

1497
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Like I have an itch that the

1498
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 3: older people we bought my house off have died in

1499
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 3: the house.

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 3: It don't smell no, But I don't know if I could.

1502
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 3: You have to assume most houses there's been a day,

1503
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 3: especially if your house is old. You know, people used

1504
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 3: to die really young in sickness and whatever. You just

1505
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 3: have to assume that death is a common thing that's

1506
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 3: happened in homes. But a crime of this nature. I

1507
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 3: just don't know if I could get over the negative energy,

1508
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 3: you know. I even think of John Wayne Gacy's property,

1509
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 3: Like I understand the people knock the house down and

1510
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 3: built something else on top, but like you're living on

1511
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: the property where one of the most horrific murderers ever lived,

1512
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 3: And I just don't know if I could get over

1513
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 3: that happening. I think it's for it's probably for some

1514
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 3: people that are into that kind of thing, but like, yeah,

1515
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 3: I just and you guys, really so we were talking

1516
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: about the grocery and being on sound stuff. Should really

1517
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 3: check out this high profile. That's the section that I

1518
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 3: wrote way back in twenty twenty. It's almost really unbelievable

1519
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 3: what this guy did to his wife and his children,

1520
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 3: the children especially.

1521
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 2: You just can't even imagine it. But the wife was pregnant.

1522
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: You did mention that she was pregnant, right, and she

1523
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: was fifteen weeks pregnant and she had something what's called

1524
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 2: a coffin birth. So I showed some photos of what

1525
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: that would be and talk about that a little bit.

1526
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: And the children were just pushed into these oil tanks

1527
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 2: and just what that might have looked like. It's just

1528
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 2: completely it's so so terrible, So make sure you read that.

1529
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 3: It's disgusting. And you know, it's not like that this

1530
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 3: guy's in jail for the rest of his life. It's

1531
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 3: not like he's coming back for his house. But you know,

1532
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: he's got like girlfriends and stuff in jail, so of course, yeah,

1533
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 3: so does Brian Coberger apparently. Yeah, that's a whole he has,

1534
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 3: like a whole entire there's like a whole thing of

1535
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 3: fans and love letters and all that stuff.

1536
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 2: I said, what is.

1537
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 3: Up with I started watching this show on Lifetime called

1538
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 3: Prison Brides a couple months ago, and I totally forgot

1539
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 3: about it, And now that I just remembered, I'm going

1540
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 3: to go back and finish it because Ricky was interested too.

1541
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was like women waiting for their husbands

1542
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 3: to get out or preparing to get married in prison.

1543
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 3: So very interesting. Okay, last, Sierra Leone has declared an

1544
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 3: emergency over the new zombie drug called cush. So cush,

1545
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 3: as we know it in the United States, is a

1546
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 3: natural form of cannabis, but in Sierra Leone, cush is

1547
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 3: a synthetic canna.

1548
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 2: Been annoyed if.

1549
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 3: That's the correct pronunciation of be getting roasted for how

1550
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 3: pronouncing stuff lately a mixture of cannabis, fentanyl, tremadol, formeldehyde,

1551
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 3: and most disturbingly, ground up human bones. So I don't

1552
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 3: even understand what the possible benefit of putting ground up

1553
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 3: human bones and this could be, I don't know.

1554
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 2: But the fermalde, I just like, what the problem is, Yeah, clearly,

1555
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: but people. Yeah, these so these people are trying to

1556
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 2: get some of the ingredients and one of them is bones.

1557
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: So they've been digging up dead bodies to grind up bones. Yees,

1558
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: So that's why they're putting out an emergency.

1559
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because these police are having the like guard cemeteries

1560
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 3: because the grave robbers are digging up bodies and trying

1561
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 3: to steal the bones to use for this drug, which

1562
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 3: is becoming a serious problem.

1563
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 2: Moving the drug would work the same exact way without

1564
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: the bones. I'm just saying, I don't know.

1565
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 3: Then there's this I was reading somewhere else that there's

1566
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 3: this thought that they're digging up the bones of people

1567
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 3: that were known to have died from fentanyl used, thinking

1568
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 3: there's like extra levels of fentanyl in the bones. And

1569
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 3: I just think people are really uneducated and addicts will

1570
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 3: do anything to hit the high they want, and.

1571
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 2: It's just they were scary. They were saying Seri Leone

1572
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 2: that from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three at their

1573
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 2: Sierra Leone psych Yeah hospital, the people coming in from

1574
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 2: illness from this went up four thousand percent. Yeah, I mean, like,

1575
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: how outrageous is that? An episode of Six Feet Under

1576
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: where Claire steals for meldehyde from the family funeral home

1577
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: to make some drug concoction so they could all get high.

1578
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 2: Oh probably, I don't remember that specific episode. But that

1579
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: was the thing when I was like in the nineties.

1580
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: I think it was like angel dust or wet or something.

1581
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: You would like dip a joint in it, and who

1582
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 2: the hell would do that? I don't know, but yeah,

1583
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 2: that was like a thing I don't know. On to

1584
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 2: Question of the Day Every Friday, on that at Mother

1585
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: Knows Death Instagram account, we put up a little question

1586
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 2: box on the story so you guys could ask us

1587
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 2: whatever you want. This week we got some really good ones.

1588
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 2: So first, how are stomach contents determined? I would think

1589
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 2: they would just look like mush. Well, have you ever

1590
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: seen someone throw up?

1591
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 3: Have you?

1592
01:20:56,120 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 2: Yes, Maria? Okay, Well that's what stomach contents are. It's puke, right,

1593
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: It's it's disgusting. It is something that kind of grosses

1594
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: me out a little bit to look through, but we

1595
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 2: measure it and and they do a lot more like

1596
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: at the medical Examiner's office. They could send stomach contents

1597
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: for toxicology and things like that, but we look through it.

1598
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: I actually had a case where the stomach contents were

1599
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 2: relevant because we had this this guy we didn't really

1600
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: know why he died, and when I opened them up,

1601
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 2: I found a mushroom actually lodged in his esophagus or

1602
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 2: in his like his trachea, really in the wind pipe,

1603
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 2: and when I opened it up, he had just it

1604
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: looked like he I mean, this is crazy Philly autopsy,

1605
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 2: but it looked like he ate a cheese steak with

1606
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 2: mushrooms on it, because it was so like not digest

1607
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: it at all, just barely that I was able to

1608
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: pick out the pieces and be able to see that

1609
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: it was. It was like a cheese steak that he ate,

1610
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 2: but the mushroom the thing because he had he was

1611
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 2: a hospital patient that had just died, so it was

1612
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 2: kind of it was kind of weird that that happened,

1613
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: but yeah, he so examining the stomach contents depending on

1614
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: when the food was digested, you could really tell what

1615
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: it is, right, I mean, you've seen someone throw up

1616
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 2: right away after they eat. It's there's pieces that are

1617
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: very identifiable in there, and that could be helpful for

1618
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: so many things. You could see if people took drugs,

1619
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: the pills might not be even dissolved yet. There's just

1620
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 2: so many things that you could find from it. And

1621
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 2: it's gross and we just we I mean, but it's

1622
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: basically like liquid, we measure it. Yeah, take it out

1623
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 2: with a.

1624
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 3: Little little gross too. How did you teach your kids

1625
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 3: sex ed? Uh?

1626
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 2: Well with you. So, Maria was my was my first kids,

1627
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 2: and of course I got pregnant with her when I

1628
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 2: was fifteen, so or when I was fourteen.

1629
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,440
Speaker 3: Actually, I feel like it had a pretty concrete understanding

1630
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 3: of my conception and I didn't really need that much

1631
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 3: of a talk. Yeah, Like I mean, Maria like kind

1632
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 3: of knew what her situation was growing up, and but

1633
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 3: I always was.

1634
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 2: I was just like hardcore like talk. Started talking her

1635
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 2: about it as soon as it was time. And for

1636
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 2: the other ones, I haven't really talked about it to

1637
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,839
Speaker 2: them too much because Lillian just turned eleven and Lucia

1638
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 2: is nine, and they're not they're not at that point yet,

1639
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 2: but I will be talking to them about it soon.

1640
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 2: You are having a very awkward conversation. You also saw

1641
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 2: what I looked like when I was a teenager. I

1642
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: don't think anyone was fighting to do anything with me,

1643
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think I don't think it

1644
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: needs to be I mean, I obviously have had talks

1645
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 2: with them about people touching you in appropriately things like that. Yeah,

1646
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 2: for their age. I just don't think right now. I

1647
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: feel like because we watch movies sometimes and they'll talk

1648
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: about sex, and the kids will ask me about it,

1649
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, once, once you talk to a

1650
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 2: child about that, then it's like it's like before Sanna,

1651
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 2: after Sanna, before you know about sex, after you know

1652
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 2: about sex, right, so then all of a sudden it'll

1653
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, my parents do that, Oh

1654
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 2: my god, and like just going down these rabbit holes

1655
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: of everything. So I just think, for right now, I

1656
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 2: just want them to their little kids are enjoying little kids,

1657
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 2: and they know all their body parts and they know

1658
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: what they do, but they just haven't quite figured out

1659
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 2: that they like you need one for the other and

1660
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, and and we'll it's kind of

1661
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 2: amazing that kids don't ask those questions right Like, they

1662
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 2: just they just say like, oh, well, when when's the

1663
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 2: baby coming? You know, they don't really wonder how it

1664
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: gets in there, why why it happens to some people

1665
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 2: before they get married and some people after that, Like

1666
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 2: they just I love it, and I just want to

1667
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: keep it that way a little while along.

1668
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: I think they think in their heads like it's similar

1669
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 3: to getting a cold or something like.

1670
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 2: It just happens. It just falls upon you. I think

1671
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 2: the scariest part is I think of a lot of

1672
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: adults think that way. Yeah, they don't really realize that

1673
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: you could prevent it from happening. Okay, Less, what does

1674
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 2: the typical weekend look like for you and your families? Well,

1675
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 2: we we get together, like for all of us, like

1676
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: well especially in the summer because I have a pool

1677
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 2: and stuff that we'll do more things like my parents

1678
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 2: will come over and Maray or Ricky'll come over. We'll

1679
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,560
Speaker 2: go on the pool and like have a barbecue.

1680
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a normal weekend for us is like I

1681
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 3: don't know, we just we usually just stay home Friday

1682
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 3: night and then Saturday we'll like run errands. We usually

1683
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 3: go out and get lunch or go take you know,

1684
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 3: a drive somewhere. And then Sundays pretty religiously, like we

1685
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 3: don't leave the house unless we absolutely have to. And

1686
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 3: that's you know, laundry day, cleaning day, just chilling around

1687
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 3: the house day.

1688
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are. Our weekends are different. Like the kids

1689
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,839
Speaker 2: have the normal, like a pretty normal schedule with school,

1690
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: and I do too, But Gabe, you know, has a

1691
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,799
Speaker 2: weird schedule, so sometimes he's home, sometimes he's not. Stuff

1692
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: like that. So it's the same with us. We do

1693
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: like family movie nights. The kids could stay up a

1694
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: little bit later, try to get together with a family

1695
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 2: every couple of weeks, just on the weekend and just

1696
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 2: do our normal thing. They have softball, antique store, all

1697
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Yeah, we don't do anything exciting.

1698
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 3: We're kind of all low the lawn this weekend.

1699
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah nothing, yeah, like nothing, mind blowing.

1700
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 3: No. All right, well, thank you guys so much. Tune

1701
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 3: in for an incredibly amazing interview we have coming up

1702
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 3: next week.

1703
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, I don't even you know what.

1704
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 3: We'll leave it a surprise for everybody. Yeah. I don't

1705
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 3: even want to spoil it, but it is so good

1706
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 3: I can't leave for you guys to listen to it.

1707
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:49,759
Speaker 3: We'll see you next week.

1708
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 2: Say yeah, thank you for listening to mother nos death.

1709
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,560
Speaker 2: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.

1710
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 2: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: and pathology education. I am not a doctor, and I

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Speaker 2: have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without

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Speaker 2: the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, My

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Speaker 2: website and social media accounts are designed to educate and

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Speaker 2: inform people based on my experience working in pathology, so

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Speaker 2: they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.

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Speaker 2: Always remember that science is changing every day and the

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Speaker 2: opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge

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Speaker 2: of those subjects at the time of publication. If you

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Speaker 2: are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or

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Speaker 2: having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit

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