WEBVTT - Jack Really Loves Poutine. 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:05.840 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:10.480 George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong Show, Getty. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:24.160 Armstrong and get Cat and now he Armstrong and Getty. Hey, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:24.799 how you doing. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:29.680 I always love talking to Timo Sanderfer. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:32.400 We just wrapped up a conversation if you just tune 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.159 it in or whatever a grab it via podcast Armstrong 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.080 and Getty on demand about his book, and I mentioned 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.280 one of his previous books, The Permission Society, which he 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:47.360 put out in twenty sixteen, was inspired by conversations on 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.640 this show and honored to have inspired anything good. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:54.520 To happen on Earth. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.959 But it occurs to me if it's a perfect introduction 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.200 to the freedom lovely quote of the and not Yet 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.440 Michael and then Mailbag, because what we talked about at 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.440 the time that launched the book was and I may 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.160 have come up with this, it doesn't really matter, but 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.560 never use the word permit as a noun unless you 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.319 think about it as a verb. You're getting a permit 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.880 from the county to do this, that or the other. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.080 And it ranges from you know, in in parts of 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.880 rural Texas where you don't need a permit to do anything, 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.680 to in your bluer states and cities, and all famously 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.760 in the communist enclave where Jack makes us home. You 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:43.720 need a permit to get a new dishwasher for your kitchen, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.480 so they make sure it's up to whatever environmental rules 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:55.760 and rags rule that that communist enclave. And those the 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:01.400 rules and rags and permits are often well meaning road 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.200 to hell, paid with good intentions. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.400 Right, and some of them are. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.160 Probably either legitimate, even if they go a little too 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:14.120 farm But the problem is you get this web of 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:22.320 permissions for everything you do every day, every use of 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.840 your land, every tool you use, every mode of transportation, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.320 and sooner or later that web of well meaning rules 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.200 and REGs traps you. It becomes the opposite of liberty. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.280 And again a lot of it's well meaning, but it 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.160 tends to total up, bit by bit by bit until 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.200 you're just not a free person anymore. And I certainly 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.600 joined with him and fighting against that sort of thing, 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.880 which brings us to the freedom loving quote of the day. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.400 And I'm gonna go with a series from Nikita Khrushyev, 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.600 who is the premiere of the Soviet Union in the 0:02:58.800 --> 0:02:59.880 fifties and sixties. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:01.399 I think through nineteen sixty four. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.760 He took power after Stalin, and it was a huge, 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.120 huge moment in the history of Russia and the Soviet Union. 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:14.760 And though he left officer, I think he croaked before 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:19.480 I was born. It was his doctrines that governed the 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:25.360 Cold War to a large extent until Gorbachev and the 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.359 Detante and everything came in. Daytime was a different period, 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.399 but when the Soviet Union crumbled, so Khrushev was enormously, 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.120 enormously influential, and he was kind of the rule giver 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.840 that we Cold warriors grew up with his philosophy. And 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.119 what's interesting and handy about Krushchev is he was utterly 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:49.000 clear and open about his plans. And we'll be hitting 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.760 some of his quotes for the next couple of week, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.200 week or two. Anyway, we'll lead with this one. You 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.320 Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.280 but we'll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.080 you'll finally wake up and find you already have communism. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.680 We won't have to fight you will, so weaken your 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:12.680 economy until you'll fall like overwrite fruit fruit into our hands. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.680 Mailbag. Obviously, one of. 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.279 The reasons that's so appropriate is socialism seems to be 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.280 on the march, particularly among the young in college and 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:27.919 miseducated in America. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.279 These days, Kruschev's wishes are coming true. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.599 And not to be over dramatic, but I will die 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.400 fighting them. Drum's note mail bag at Armstrong you get 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.200 ay dot com. Let's see David and Campbell says some 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.600 very nice things about the show, Thank you, Barbro, and 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.839 he mentions that yesterday we played a clip of AOC 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.320 try and answer the question about the difference between socialism 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.080 and communism, and she doesn't know the difference, and he says, essentially, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:54.120 and this is under. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:54.960 Karl Marx's theory. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.880 This is handy to no I suppose in socialism the 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.480 workers control the state. State uses this power to take 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.280 over major industries and the means of production. And as 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:09.280 time passes, that utopia ends, the conflict between the classes 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:14.360 and the state is no longer needed and withers away. 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.120 Everybody shares and shares alike. It is truly a utopia. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:22.080 Everyone communicates, there are no need for even rules. This 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:29.040 is communism, the ideal state. And if you seriously think 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.280 that will ever happen, among human beings. You need your 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.880 brain checked, or you need to get the hell out 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.560 of the way and let the adults run things. It's 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.279 a good explanation encapsulated there. David appreciate it. Then this 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.279 from Tim, I love this. He says, Remember there's a 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.760 merit system in communism. People become really talented at telling 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.880 on each other. The power is in control, controlling the systems. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.120 The people who get control of the systems, the stores, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.640 the gas stations, etc. Have the opportunity for corruption that 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.680 of course comes in communism, and these are the coveted positions. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.360 Of course, it doesn't matter whether someone's a zel At 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.720 or real communists. They will, for the purposes of survival 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.520 and advancement, become really good at telling on people, really 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.120 good at putting people in trouble, so they can continue 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.680 to have that power. That's what happens in communism. That's 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.599 why it always fails. That's how Russia became a criminal gang. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.520 With the toughest criminal in charge. The commissars get rich 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.720 and it doesn't matter anymore if the system fails, as 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.840 long as they stay rich. The people that run the 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.000 store have the food, the people that run the gas 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.240 station have fuel. The people that supervise the distribution of 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.680 benefits have benefits, and that's all that matters. Now, I'm 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:39.520 going to depart from the plan here of mail bag 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.560 and Michael do me a favor. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:47.760 Let's play Oh where is it? Ah da da da. 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:49.640 This is instructive. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.040 This is the late Charlie Kirk debating Hassan Piker. And 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:55.960 put up with them yelling over each other for a 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.800 minute because they get into a little bit of substance. 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.480 In number forty four, why. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.159 Don't you give ninety five percent of your money away 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:03.159 and go live on a communey? 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.120 Do you really think that that's a worse Do you 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:05.520 really think? 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:06.200 Why not worse? 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:11.280 Go preach because I every single business you uninterrupted for fiveness, Hassan. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:12.920 Let me go ahead, sorry live. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:13.280 You're right? 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.600 What I practice free market, capitalist, I employed people, I 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.040 took a risk. I have my own startup business. Every 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.960 single day. I practice what I preach. He wants other 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.120 people to contribute to what he considers to be a 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.400 good idea, what he considers will make the. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.240 World a better place. 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.240 That you have the freedom to go live as a socialist, 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.520 Go do it, Hassan. What's stopping you Okay, So. 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:32.400 Here's what we'll take. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.720 The last point, the last point I will make is this. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.440 Here's why that conversation is absolutely preposterous. If I gave 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.360 away the measly earnings that I had and gave gave 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.040 away ninety five percent, how much you make it necessarily 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.080 even pushed the needle. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:52.480 So Hassan Piker's next sentence ought to be so for 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.560 my system to work, I need, because I know it's right, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.440 to control everybody else and make them give away what 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:09.440 they earn. My system depends entirely not on individual initiative 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.360 or consent, or taking risk or investing or building something. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:20.640 My system depends entirely on controlling people and taking from them. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.560 And yeah, I understand taxation is a similar thing, but 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.880 there's no taxation without the consent of the legislature, at 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.680 least in theory in our country. But Hassan Piker, the 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.559 darling and left admitted there. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:37.600 I need to. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:42.559 Control everyone for this system to work. It's a great 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.320 truism and piece of wisdom. There are only two ways 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.760 to get somebody to work. Number one award or number 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:56.240 two the fear of punishment, and because socialism eliminates reward, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:01.800 for effort, reward for innovation, reward for risk, reward for 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:07.720 outworking everybody else. People quickly decide, obviously, I'm not gonna work. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.320 I'm gonna get what I get whether I work or not. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:15.200 So I'm not going to work. Okay, So we've removed reard. 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:21.280 What's left fear of punishment. Hassan Piker's entire system requires 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.200 control and punishment of anybody who doesn't go along with 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:29.559 his nefarious plans. Getting back to mailbag, Joe Schmoe, Bonnie Lake, 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.720 Washington rights, that's how he signs it. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:33.840 Uh oh. 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:39.360 On the topic of the WNBA and the two women 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:45.080 who used to play in the NBA, mister Cantner and 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.000 mister White, Is that right? 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:48.840 Yep, yeah right. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:53.440 I'm miss miss ms cant and miss White because they 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.400 say they're women, that makes them women. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:01.559 Trans women are women. But Joe makes a good point. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.920 All the WNBA has to do is not draft these 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.000 guys or any other ex NBA player, because they have 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:08.840 to be drafted in order to play. Because they're not 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.200 really presenting his trans the trans community will not be 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.200 upset that they didn't get drafted. Although White actually bought 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.960 a really nice blonde wig, he looks very comely in it, 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.360 and three granted to presenting trans female with great basketball 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.360 skills for to try out and then not get drafted. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.400 The league would then have a problem. So how far. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.800 But again, Joe, it's like we were talking about yesterday. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.440 If they were sincerely transgender, well, who's what do we 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:41.600 go to the sincere police, the Sincerity League? Is there 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:46.520 a medical test? The whole thing's just absurd. We're calling 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:53.120 their bluff. Go get them, ladies. On the topic of Iran, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:59.200 which continues to be a mire full of quag don 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.080 in San Jose, right, So I don't understand what Trump 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.840 keeps opening the door for negotiations quote unquote with the Ran, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:05.840 it only invites more nonsense requests from them. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:07.440 So we thought saw this last weekend. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.560 Why don't we just give them a declaration like the 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.600 pot Stem Declaration of World War Two. It's simple, give 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.840 up all striving for nuclear weapons, turnover existing nuclear refinement, 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.400 open the straits of hermuvese. There'll be no tolls or 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.960 threats against the chipping give up on all terrorism and 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.679 sport terrorist groups. There should be one more recognized Israel. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.040 Maybe that's one too many. Well down, The problem isn't 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.680 I have a feeling you know this? An order without 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:36.160 a sanction is a suggestion. It's a request. What's the 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:36.760 or else? 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.200 Or else? Well? 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:44.480 You know what, Oh, Jim wrights Jim and Houston rights 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.760 the Mullahs and the IRGC or Lucy van Pelt. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:48.960 Trump is Charlie Brown. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.480 The dealed open, her moves is the football, Over and 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:52.319 over and over. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.720 Trump acts as if the Mulas have no cards. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.560 In fact, they have a straight Oh clever, Jim clever, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:04.480 get it Oka reference, very nice, it's a good point. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:06.640 What was the other thing I was going to say? 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.520 Seemed important at the time. Oh, well, we don't know 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.920 what levers do. Oh oh, I was gonna say. The 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.600 strategy right now appears to be just choking financially till 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.960 they give out. Whether that will ever have the machine 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.440 gunned forty fifty thousand of their own citizens in the street. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.800 I don't think they care if those people are. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:30.079 A little hungry. Let's see why don't we call it good. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.520 We're going to come back with a bunch of stories, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:37.720 from the really impactful to the completely idiotic. Run through. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.920 Get you caught up on what's happening in the world. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:41.600 It's the Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:50.319 Glad you're here, stay with us. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:53.280 Hey, Michael, Sorry, I meant to ask for this. Can 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.920 you hit me with clip number twenty one? This is 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.960 the flower of American womanhood known as Royce White, who 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.720 played in wn or in the NBA and wants to 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.920 play in the WNBA. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.240 Well, I'm transgender, I'm a woman. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.560 I'm I identify as sometimes identifying as a woman for 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:14.000 purposes of basketball professional basketball. So I'll be declaring for 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.880 the WNBA draft in twenty twenty seven as well. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:19.840 So we all know that that's going on. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:25.360 And I want to explain something because I don't think 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.880 most people understand this, and you really have to understand it. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.800 And it discourages and shocks me the lack of curiosity 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.560 in a lot of the media, including the conservative media, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.520 about where this stuff is coming from, the whole transgender thing, 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.840 and this is this is foundational to all of it. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.840 It has to do with the critical theory school of philosophy. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.880 A handful of French guys, if you know their names, 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.320 you know you know them. But in the nineteen sixties, 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.240 who came up with this idea that we need to 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.400 get Marxism in but We're of the world unit didn't 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.000 really work. And so the point of critical theory you 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:12.840 have to understand is there are no truths. There are 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:19.560 no there is no reality that we all can agree on. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:26.880 It's entirely cultural and entirely opinion. There is nothing you 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:31.360 can say that critical theory won't try to tear apart. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.200 They criticize it. That's where the name comes from. They 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.440 problematize it. You've heard that term. Probably They ask all 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.960 these wacky, half rhetorical questions to get you to back 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.960 off something as simple as only women can have babies. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.160 And you know, I was going to go into detail 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:54.960 on something leading to it, but I'll just cut to 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.960 the bottom line. So eliminating any binaries there are men 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.720 there are women is at the heart of critical theory, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:03.960 and so. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:05.680 They cannot admit. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.840 Why don't they just back down on the women's sports 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.840 thing you're asking yourself, I mean, because anybody would have 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.360 a brain can see and understand immediately, or it doesn't 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.000 even need to see anything to know. The reason title 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:23.000 line exists. The reason women's sports exist is because men 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.200 elite athletes are much bigger and stronger and faster and 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.680 more violent, and if women are going to enjoy sports, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.440 it ought to be for women. And ninety eight percent 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.680 of the planet, if you explain it to them, believes that. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.720 But they can't admit that there's something foundational that we 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:43.040 all can agree on, because then critical theory collapses. And 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.960 I know it seems insane, but that is what underpins 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.200 all of what's going on at the teachers' colleges and 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.960 has infected a radical gender theory, the genderbred man. Little 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.360 boys and girls can choose whether they're boys and girls, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.240 and then they try to confuse you what's gender, what sex? 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.280 And all that at the heart is critical theory that 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.120 says there are no universal truths. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.120 All there are are cultural truths. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.120 And or Weell would leap out of his grave if 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.960 he could and point out a dudes, That's what I 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.560 was trying to warn you about, is that if there 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.640 are no truths, the party can tell you what the 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.320 truth is and you have to accept it, and you 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.120 can't say, well, that doesn't square with reality, because reality 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:26.880 is just what the party tells you. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.520 It is so critical theory and the people. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.280 Pushing it, whether they know they are or not, they 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.400 just think they're enlightened, and that these nice trans people 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:40.440 deserve to be able to play in girls sports. They're 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.480 just trying to push critical theory. The greatest example is 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.360 the two plus two is five thing, which is actually 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.400 straight out of nineteen eighty four the critical theory crowd, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.000 and there was a giant Twitter war which got James 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.680 Lindsay fired up to begin with. Because these mathematician, as 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.920 I recall saying, no, two plus two doesn't equal four 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:03.160 in every society. In some societies it equals five straight 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.320 out or well, straight out of critical theory. That's why 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.720 they can't give up on this crap anyway. A bunch 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.000 of stuff to get to in a couple of minutes. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.439 We've got David Drucker to kind of parse some of 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.360 the politics of our time. Jack's gonna check in a bit, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:21.200 stay with us, don't go away. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:20.520 Armstrong and Getty. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.440 Abolishing ice yes, a one year data center moratorium, yes, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:30.399 breaking up a big ag yes, public grocery stores yes, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:35.760 right to repair yes, legalizing cannabis yes. Overturning Citizens United yes, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.240 a worker's bill of rights yes, a free Palestine yes. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:42.240 Delightful. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:47.879 Hassan Piker interviewing and quizzing the delightful Francesca Hong, who 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.920 is involved in a primary for the governorship of Wisconsin. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.080 Actually today as we speak, be interesting to see how 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.440 that pans out. We're joined by David Drucker, senior writer 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.320 for The Dispatch, longtime friend of the Armstrong and Getty Show, 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.760 and David, I will reserve it to myself to rant 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.320 that these people are lunatics and their policies will never work. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.520 But first of all, welcome, it's good to talk to you. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:11.400 Yeah, good to be bad. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.439 And the thing i wanted to talk to you about, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.240 and I'm so interested in this the nature of the 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:24.960 primary system and the fact that a super energized, fairly 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.800 small segment of either one of the political parties can 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.320 win primary after primary primary. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:33.439 And the conventional. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.600 Wisdom is, yeah, that's true because it's the hardcore that 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.560 turn out, but then it makes it harder to win 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.639 the general. But I've observed over and over again, and 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.480 this is what I really want to ask you about. 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:49.440 Folks who just just rant about how horrific these policies 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.680 are in the primaries then say, well, of course I'll 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.080 support her. So is it not true that the super energized, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.480 fairly smallish base of the party now runs both parties 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.119 because the districts are so polarized. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.920 Yeah, I mean there's something to that. I think there's 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.480 some nuance there. But you know, with the proliferation of 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.000 Gerrymander districts, right, we've had Jerrymander districts since the beginning 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:19.080 of the Republic, but particularly after the mid decade redistricting 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.520 that we saw over the past year, there are fewer 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.760 and fewer competitive house districts. And so when you're comparing, 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:30.000 for instance, midterm elections, know six in twenty ten, in 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.320 twenty eighteen, to what might happen in twenty twenty six, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.800 you have to take into account there just isn't as 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.879 much competitive territory for Democrats to be in a position 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.760 to flip. And so, you know, then you get to 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:48.119 this question of how much influence therefore have the wings 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:54.120 of the parties accrued, And they've definitely accrued some more 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.600 influence than they used to have, because it's harder to 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:02.080 make the argument that we need to not dominate a 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:07.240 pragmatist or somebody with broad appeal when the winner of 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.800 the primary essentially is the winner of the general. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.560 Election, and then you're looking at. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.400 These competitive seats and states. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:20.520 Where progressives and socialist candidates are making inroads. And I 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.120 think part of that has to do with the fact 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.240 that the Democratic Party is going through its own anti 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:30.480 establishment civil war, much as the Republican Party did during 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:35.879 Barack Obama's presidency. And you know, these the Democrats have 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.359 not gone through something like this in quite some time, 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:43.120 because they were not unified by Obama. They were, well, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.800 they were first unified by opposition to George W. Bush, 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.440 which turned into unification around Barack Obama, which turned into 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.159 unification around opposition to Donald Trump. And now they're finally 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.120 sort of going through the the sort of periodic upheaval 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.560 that parties go through. I think the question though, in 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.159 this case is where do they land because some of 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:07.240 these candidates, candidates, unlike Democrats in the past, are rather extreme. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.320 When you just go through that checklist there where you 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:15.560 played the clip, and you know, usually what happens is 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.919 either these things succeed with voters and therefore they get 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.360 to declare victory the wing the wingers do, or they 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:29.359 start losing some some winnable coveted general elections and it 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.720 resuscitates you know, so called establishment winging a party that 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.600 is focused on winning. That's what happened in large part 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.600 with a lot of Republicans, at least in congressional races 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:46.280 prior to Donald Trump, where Republicans senate candidates in particular 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.800 were blowing these winnable races, and the party got more aggressive, 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:55.520 took more control over these primaries and started nominating broadly 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.919 acceptable candidates. They started winning again, and that kind of 0:21:57.920 --> 0:21:58.800 put that thing to bet. 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.880 Right now, you're a lot closer to this than we are. 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:11.000 I see the Democratic establishment as as very old and 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:15.520 very comfortable with their own control of the party. And 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:21.359 what does the next generation of the Democratic establishment look like? 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:23.800 We don't know why. Good question. 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.640 First of all, I think the Democratic establishment doesn't quite 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.240 know what to do about the insurgents in their midst. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:36.200 I think that they're afraid to challenge them very publicly. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.959 I think they've been challenging them subtly and quietly and 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.240 in back you know, and in back rooms strategy sessions. 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.040 And we've seen that with you know, certain pac money 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.040 being spent and endorsements being made, but they still haven't 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:52.520 reached the point where they recognize these candidates as a problem, 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.440 and they haven't reached a point where fear of their 0:22:56.480 --> 0:23:02.080 own base is superseded by fear of losing and perpetuating 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:06.040 Republican control of the White House and of Congress. And 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.120 so the first step is, like, when does the party 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:14.480 itself try to reassert control and actually wage the kind 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:18.320 of aggressive warfare that the progressive base and these you know, 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:22.840 Democratic Socialists of America candidates have been waging, right, And 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.680 then that'll tell us a lot about who the next 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.680 sort of iteration of the democratic establishment is. Whether it's 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:31.560 the same people they just finally got off their butts 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.320 and started fighting, or whether it's somebody. 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:37.520 New right right, let's say, you know, let's stay on 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.679 a somewhat philosophical level. I find it more fun than 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.919